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Black Spirituality Religion : The children of Cain

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    I have read here before that some people think that white people are the descendants of Cain, I am curious as to why some believe this. My mother and I got into a pretty deep discussion about this, that led to a pretty good discussion of the Bible. I know that some do not believe in the Bible, but I still would like to know your take on it. What are some of the reasons that you do or do not believe this.
     
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    This has been discussed before....particularly, the "mark of Cain," whatever it was....

    However, it really isn't correct to call white people the "children of Cain." --- Noah was not descended from Cain. He was descended from Seth, another son of Adam and Eve, so after the Flood is when white people must have come into being.

    Isaac & Rebekah/Esua & Jacob are of particular interest.>>>>

    Gen. 25:
    [22] And the children struggled together within her; and she said, If it be so, why am I thus? And she went to inquire of the LORD.
    [23] And the LORD said unto her, Two nations are in thy womb, and two manner of people shall be separated from thy bowels; and the one people shall be stronger than the other people; and the elder shall serve the younger.
    [24] And when her days to be delivered were fulfilled, behold, there were twins in her womb.
     
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    Exod. 4:
    [6] And the LORD said furthermore unto him, Put now thine hand into thy bosom. And he put his hand into his bosom: and when he took it out, behold, his hand was leprous as snow.
    [7] And he said, Put thine hand into thy bosom again. And he put his hand into his bosom again; and plucked it out of his bosom, and, behold, it was turned again as his other flesh.

    Lev. 13:
    [13] Then the priest shall consider: and, behold, if the leprosy have covered all his flesh, he shall pronounce him clean that hath the plague: it is all turned white: he is clean.

    Num. 12:
    [10] And the cloud departed from off the tabernacle; and, behold, Miriam became leprous, white as snow: and Aaron looked upon Miriam, and, behold, she was leprous


    2 Kings 5:
    [1] Now Naaman, captain of the host of the king of Syria, was a great man with his master, and honourable, because by him the LORD had given deliverance unto Syria: he was also a mighty man in valour, but he was a leper.
    [14] Then went he down, and dipped himself seven times in Jordan, according to the saying of the man of God: and his flesh came again like unto the flesh of a little child, and he was clean.
     
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    2 Kings 5:
    [25] But he went in, and stood before his master. And Elisha said unto him, Whence comest thou, Gehazi? And he said, Thy servant went no whither.
    [26] And he said unto him, Went not mine heart with thee, when the man turned again from his chariot to meet thee? Is it a time to receive money, and to receive garments, and oliveyards, and vineyards, and sheep, and oxen, and menservants, and maidservants?
    [27] The leprosy therefore of Naaman shall cleave unto thee, and unto thy seed for ever. And he went out from his presence a leper as white as snow.
     
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    Some kind of mark/sign; but not related to skin color. ---Also, the Bible does not say that his DESCENDANTS would also have this "mark."

    Gen. 4:
    [15] And the LORD said unto him, Therefore whosoever slayeth Cain, vengeance shall be taken on him sevenfold. And the LORD set a mark upon Cain, lest any finding him should kill him.

    In Hebrew>>>>>>

     
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    Some people believe that Noah's wife was a descendant of Cain.

    But, I don't know of any support for this in the Bible.
     
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    I'll help to finish the post.

    The children of Cain...are all dead. He suffered his righteous brother Abel to have no children in the earth, so the Father suffered him to have no lineage left after the flood.
     
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    Yes, I definitely believe that there is some truth to this belief for various reasons. although I read sister cherryblossom's posts and the new poster Angela22's responses, I will share some of my belief's on another reference point that goes back before the twins Jacob and Esau. I look at geography, secular history, and some science based upon the dates and times of the life of Cain as cited in the Bible in the pre-flood times, and based upon that time span, yes, there were 'Asiatic' or 'White' people way back then during those times.

    The Bible reveals that Cain [and his wife] was driven 'Nodeast' [Northeast] from the point of 'the Garden of Eden', and no matter where the Garden of Eden was exactly, history places it in some kind of central region that today would be 'western' region of the earth. No matter though, the north east would have been in an eastern direction and this would fit all Asiatic or 'White' origins in regards to history. then there is the Egyptian records of these times, and 'the fair daugthers of Cain' do fit the Asiatic or 'White' depictions presented in secular accounts of those same times before the Biblical flood.

    The 4th Dynasty depictions of Rahotep and Nofret is just one of several examples of 'the Asiatic presence' in ancient Egypt. Nofret is depicted wearing a wig over her 'straight hair' as well. And then after the flood, the same kind of DNA evidence and Biblical accounts show that at least one of the women in that ark was a descendant of Cain, namely 'the wife of JapHeth'. At least one of her descendants shows this confirmation, a descendant of Gomer, namely ASHKENAZ, the father of the post flood NAZI expressions that spread from the east throughout the world eventually, in part show a definite connection to this man. the history of the Gomers is vast, and encompasses the Kenites, and the Ashkenaz, and so many more, but this is just a few points that I see to verify, the blood of Cain did not die out with the flood.

    More recently too, would be the documentary about the project that produced the findings about Neaderthal DNA in many humans today, of which supports the presence of 'light skinned beings' in early times, whether they be connected to Cain or not. I just saw part of this documentary on PBS just yesterday when I was preparing to leave my house. It showed how the Neanderthals came from THE EAST and migrated into Europe. They didn't just appear in Europe but they came from the NORTHEAST.

    The documentary also said that along with many White Europeans, I think they said that some Asian groups 'Oriental people' in the Far EAst have some percentage of Neanderthal DNA as well.

    And then there is the new sceintific information about 'Blue eyes' of which fits this Nodeastern [Northeaster] region as well of which correlates to the Biblical history of Cain's whereabouts when he was driven out of 'the Garden of the Earth'. Based upon what I have researched, I do believe that 'the mark of Cain' had to do with being 'a mark in his forehead' meaning, his eyes at the very least, and it has something to do with him having 'blue eyes' and i do believe that this 'mutation' became a definite genetic trait as today's scientist do attest to a northeastern region of origin for 'blue eyes'. i believe that Cain was 'a BLack man' who was marked with 'Blue eyes' and he bonded with a woman that carried DNA of having lighter skinned offspring TO THE POINT IN WHICH HIS GENERATION BECAME LIGHTER AND LIGHTER COMPLEXIONED AS THEY MAY HAVE DELIBERATELY BONDED IN WAYS TO PRODUCE LIGHTER SKINNED OFFSPRING UNTIL THEY BECAME WHITE. That is what i believe.

    As far as Noah's wife, the Bible specifically states that 'Noah was perfect in his generations' in the Book of Genesis, I believe Chapter 6, and this scripture has been mistranslated to cause people to believe Noah was perfect. But in means that HIS GENERATIONS were DESCENDANTS OF SETH of which means that his wife had to have been a descendant of SETH TOO IN ORDER FOR NOAH TO HAVE PERFECT IN HIS GENERATIONS!

    So not only was Noah a descendant of Seth as the Bible timeline details from Adam to Noah, but Noah himself was perfect in HIS GENERATIONS! The Bible says that Noah was A JUST MAN and in addition, he was PERFECT IN HIS GENERATIONS. Again, therefore his wife had to have been a descendant of Seth, meaning a 'Black' woman and therefore the three Patriarchs were DESCENDANTS OF SETH from both their father's side and their mothers' side. But at least one of the three of them had to have carried a Cainite woman on the ark.

    And another thing, I have run across so many White poeple that have named their children CAIN!--if you can believe that! About two years ago, I went to a dentist, a female dentist, and she told me tht her son's name was Cain. Not only do they name their kids 'Cain' but they also name their Churches after Cain too! Go figure.
     
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    Dear one to the family, you are straining your thoughts. Though you are searching, and that is well, and refuse to take reality as given by media and so called education, you are thinking in folly, so allow me to assist you happily.

    White people do have a curse upon them, and more than one actually. Now, they are not of Cain and can't be because Cain's lineage was utterly destroyed because he killed his brother who in turn had no lineage. Cain was the first son of Adam and Eve and during thier time, no whites were around because white skin is leprous and none had leprosy then. Also, there weren't many people on earth when Cain moved away with his sister who was also his wife(yes, he married his sister). The only people on earth were Cain's other siblings, and his children and nieces and nephews and none were white.


    Once his line was destroyed, and Shem, Ham, and Japheth had children, far later in years leprosy came about. Now as for white people of today, they are a nation of people that now has leprosy through the generations, but they aren't Cainites, but are Canaanites. And they have the curse of Canaan. For further thought, consider America and why it is named do. White people lie and say some man name Amerigo named it, but I doubt he even existed. Instead, it was named for their dad Amor as in Amorica but the "O" changed to "E". Thus, these whites are the Amorites. Now look to Canada which is blatantly name for Canaan; as in, move the "d" to the back and change it to "N", and you have Canaanites of New Canaan.

    The curses they have are leprosy, and the curse of Canaan for what Ham their dad did, AND for stealing land not theirs called Israel, which they seem to do alot(stealing land). So, whites are the sons of Ham, but not the only ones since the do have dark skin relatives without leprosy; and what's odd about it all is that they always told blacks to go back to Africa, when in truth, Africa, the land of Ham is their rightful nativity and land.
     
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    :10500: herman cain?
     
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