Discussion in 'Black People Politics' started by MS234, Jan 14, 2012.
Of course I do.
Dr. Jeffreys teaches the same but adds a little more. That is, that politics are linked with economics and that's really the thing to study.
Economic success would be really hard without political success. Because politics controls who gets the contracts, how zoning works and how not to get messed over economically.
It's like Black Wall Street. They had the economics, but the politics was lacking, which is why White folk could aerial bomb their town without a consequence.
There is only one party.. The white party. And Dems, Repubs, Greens and Independants belong to that super power. Changing parties is like changing lanes on the freeway.. They're all headed the exact same place.. The status quo. The only difference between any of those groups is how they slice the imperialist pie.. Who gets what.. During their term...
The entire idea of a Republic is a sham designed to take away the sovereignty of the individual and the family unit.
As to the parties themselves, they are fences within which people, much like cattle, are herded to their eventual slaughter. On the left and on the right, they grow closer to one another over a distance--this is the narrowing of ideas over time.
The whole thing is a box designed to keep people from thinking outside of it.
Respectfully, I disagree. One has to pay to play not play to pay. To the latter, are the politicians paying off the 'interest groups' or are the interest groups paying off the politicians?
How many black politicians that we've help via the vote to get into office and has done next to nothing (of any great consequence) in our interest, from the alderman on up, in cities/towns across this country? Why has it been like that? Because while we vote them into office, it is 'the others' with the money that 'motivates' them. "Take the king's shilling; do the king's bidding".
So if there were, among us, a group of wealthy black folk (Or a well organized town/city) whose interest were inline with the community, they/we could go to the politicians we voted into office and say we'll support them if they do 'this that or the third':
'We'll build you a whole new state-of-the-art police dept. in your district if you 'ask' that chief of police for his resignation. In addition to that we buy a fleet of well equipped squad cars as well'. Give us a tax break and we'll bring an industry manufacturing [whatever] to your town, employing upwards of 2000 people'. ...That is what economic weight does on every level of govt.
"Doing What We've Always Done Will Get Us What We've Always Got!!'-Keita Kenyatta
I tried to look into Dr. Jeffries' pyramid (that puts together economics, culture and politics), maybe others have better memory than I do; it's possible that he put economics before politics, but it's also possible that he put them on the same level.
Either way, we need to remember that lobby's and interests groups get more than they pay when they pay politicians. As in, there's more money in politics than there is in economics.
I did not read this wholly yet, but I noticed one phrasing that reminded me of Dr. Jeffries position:
So this is the last thing that I want to leave with you: That your economy which is related to your ecology begets your sociology which is related to your politics. Economics is the productive capacity, politics is the management capacity. The ecological systems are related to your sociological systems. This duality of economics and politics, ecology and sociology has to be related and then you synthesize them and you have culture, the psychological dimension. The cement that keeps things together. Economics, politics and culture relate; as ecological and sociological and psychological dimensions relate. It is this relationship that we as African peoples have to work at and make work for us.They have it all divided up. In fact, they tell us, don't worry about the economics, we'll take care of it. In fact, they bring people in our community to take care of it. Arabs, Vietnamese and other people. Don't worry about the economics, we'll take care of it. Then the politics. You get involved in politics. But just come at election time. We'll take care of who you should vote for, give you a little bit of money to work on the polls, but, you know, don't waste too much time to become involved in politics.But you can have culture. Become as black as you want. But if you only have culture and you're not hooked the economics and it's not related to your politics, then you do not have a system of development. You only have a system of survival. And what our educational omission tells us is, that we have to develop a system of development. And that means that we have to take our schools and make them work for us. But we have to put the educational process in the community, in the homes. We have to tap into this enormity of knowledge and then you have to be prepared to tell the truth. We have to be prepared to say that we are not going to celebrate Columbus. That no African or Native American youngster should celebrate Columbus. You Italians, you Spanish can celebrate it if you will. But we are not prepared to deal with the devilishness of Columbus. And [New York Governor] Mario Cuomo is not going to like it. But you [are] going have the courage to have to tell him the truth.So that's what it's all about. It's a political struggle; it's not just a economic struggle; it's not just economic cultural struggle; it's not just an educational struggle. It's economics because they want to keep that money. New York's budget, New York City's budget is seven to eight billion dollars. They don't want Black folks messin' with that budget. So when they thought we were getting into the curriculum they thought we were also talking about teacher training and other things, which we were. So immediately they said that's not your realm. And across the country, [President George] Bush wants to put in a new order, a New World order. That means they've got to have mind controls in the schools. And here we come with African centered education and that's blown up their plans for mind control in the schools. Because African-centered education does not allow for the concept of rich white men with property and power dominating the worldview of this planet. So what we have prepared for you and we have it in this packet here, and, unfortunately, I couldn't bring enough of them, but it includes some of the materials you need in terms of historical mentions of the struggle for an African-centered education.
Now, I'm not in debate with you. I'm simply bringing in one of our elders into a topic where he has spoken for a larger audience. Frankly, for instance, the Arab and the Vietnamese, while they are taking our money, aren't really politically powerful--and truly they have a different history from us so we can't really emulate them.
Truly, I think that fundamental to our plight is culture--not politics or economics. Because without culture neither of those projects will work. We should first have a culture of politics and economics and then we can expect something to happen.
Because, it wasn't even a few years ago when one of our politicians did try to do something and he was killed in the City Council (of New York.) Besides that, go to any Black business and ask them about fire inspections--they get closed down because politics aren't on their side.
The matter of it all is that our people just don't know.
The White man won't tell us that it's harder than it looks.
It's that we are sleeping that we suffer.
Exactly we had a collective culture, and to keep us mentaly enslaved the second thing they tortured from us after our freedom was our culture.
Now in terms of lobbying Malcolm stated that we should have a 10 billion dollar national Blck lobbying concern in Washington
Stop with the rose-tinted glasses. The 60s was a tough time to organize. Your reminiscing isn't factual. Sometimes, on a campus, you had to talk to someone 60 times before they read your pamphlet.
You seem like you never put in work. If you did--you'd stop yapping about the 60s and get real about the 10s.
I stood out for the Freedom Party and someone asked me "Aren't we already free?"
That's the condition of our people.
What did you do for the Freedom Party more than trash talk Maddox after it was all over?
Get out of town with your stuff. You're not helping anyone.
Thank you because as it seems our brethren have equated independent political action with the mainstream where does that leave mass based organizations such as the Freedom Party?
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