Black People Politics : Reparations Movement Growing Strong...Closer than you think

I have not read this thread because black people talking about reparations interest me little. But since this was mentioned in the immigrant thread, thought I'd interject my opinions on it.


I am neither for or against reparations. I don't have enough information on it pro or con to make a decision about whether I am against it or for it. When I have this discussion around white people online and in real life - I always come off as being for it because I like rile them up on my history, what my people have done, how they contributed to this country, issues of white surpremacy, racial and skin color privilege, racism, and how my people are still suffering as a result of racism, white surprmacy and all that 140 years after the end of slavery and about 60 years after Jim Crow.

But when I discuss it with black people, I come off as being against it because I wonder how it's gonna come to us, where will it go, who will benefit from it and how, what about white people claiming some long lost black blood to get it, whether it should be in the form of money or social programs, or what have you. I wonder how the other people (like the Chinese and the Astralian aborigines) got their reps, what they did with it, and how it benefitted them, - but I never bothered to look at how they got they reps or what they did with it.

So if you were to listen or read me discuss it with the whites or the blacks - I'd come off as contrary depending on who my audience is - but many of us would probably come off as contrary because we may defend each other in white company, then question our own people on the the use of it or whether or not we need it.

And that is me. Now since my audience is here is black - then you can rightfully guess where I'm gonna go with this.

I wonder.....

Is it like a class action law suit - when the amount depends on the number of people getting it and how much the country or people are sued for? I'm thinking 'oh great, that's enough to buy a.... new LCD TV or a new used ride... cause I could really use a car and a few bucks to get me drivin legal again.'

That always reminds me of that Chappelle skit where all the black folks got money and put it in swine and chicken stock and the check cashing places got their profits increased 300% or something like that. Funny skit - but how close the truth? I'M RICH BIYAAAAAA!

If this is suppose to take the place of my 40 acres and a mule - do you know how much 40 acres is worth today in the US? This promise was made to us more than 100 years ago when there was plenty of cheap land to be had in the US, and I hardly think they will give me enough to cover the value of 40 acres of good prime land (or ANY land) in the United States. But hey... they give me enough and I'll buy back all the historic Kinloch and turn it into the black haven it once was, but if they ain't given me enough money to cover that, or the value of 40 acres and whatever the a mule is worth - then what of it?

Now you know I like money, and I like spending other people's money especially the government's money and would have no problem signing a petition to get me some money and likely blow it on some material thangs... but if I am take this more seriously than that......

well as I said initially - I haven't come to any conclusions pro or con.
 
In the Spirit of Sankofa and Real Truth and Reparations!

I have not read this thread because black people talking about reparations interest me little. But since this was mentioned in the immigrant thread, thought I'd interject my opinions on it.


I am neither for or against reparations. I don't have enough information on it pro or con to make a decision about whether I am against it or for it. When I have this discussion around white people online and in real life - I always come off as being for it because I like rile them up on my history, what my people have done, how they contributed to this country, issues of white surpremacy, racial and skin color privilege, racism, and how my people are still suffering as a result of racism, white surprmacy and all that 140 years after the end of slavery and about 60 years after Jim Crow.

But when I discuss it with black people, I come off as being against it because I wonder how it's gonna come to us, where will it go, who will benefit from it and how, what about white people claiming some long lost black blood to get it, whether it should be in the form of money or social programs, or what have you. I wonder how the other people (like the Chinese and the Astralian aborigines) got their reps, what they did with it, and how it benefitted them, - but I never bothered to look at how they got they reps or what they did with it.

So if you were to listen or read me discuss it with the whites or the blacks - I'd come off as contrary depending on who my audience is - but many of us would probably come off as contrary because we may defend each other in white company, then question our own people on the the use of it or whether or not we need it.

And that is me. Now since my audience is here is black - then you can rightfully guess where I'm gonna go with this.

I wonder.....

Is it like a class action law suit - when the amount depends on the number of people getting it and how much the country or people are sued for? I'm thinking 'oh great, that's enough to buy a.... new LCD TV or a new used ride... cause I could really use a car and a few bucks to get me drivin legal again.'

That always reminds me of that Chappelle skit where all the black folks got money and put it in swine and chicken stock and the check cashing places got their profits increased 300% or something like that. Funny skit - but how close the truth? I'M RICH BIYAAAAAA!

If this is suppose to take the place of my 40 acres and a mule - do you know how much 40 acres is worth today in the US? This promise was made to us more than 100 years ago when there was plenty of cheap land to be had in the US, and I hardly think they will give me enough to cover the value of 40 acres of good prime land (or ANY land) in the United States. But hey... they give me enough and I'll buy back all the historic Kinloch and turn it into the black haven it once was, but if they ain't given me enough money to cover that, or the value of 40 acres and whatever the a mule is worth - then what of it?

Now you know I like money, and I like spending other people's money especially the government's money and would have no problem signing a petition to get me some money and likely blow it on some material thangs... but if I am take this more seriously than that......

well as I said initially - I haven't come to any conclusions pro or con.




Sister medusanegrita,

Well...thank you for at least posting to the thread, many have viewed but few have posted. Obviously and at your convenience, I would strongly encourage you to sign the petition and read the entire thread for answers; but do click every link in the initial post to learn the background and update information on the reparations movement.

Sister medusanegrita, candidness is a trait which marks you, the honesty with which you admit to having two view points on reparations, based on race, reflects that character; and in my opinion is not considered bi-polar, as I've read from another poster.


On the forty acres and a mule, Gen. Sherman, in 1865 generated Special Field Orders, No. 15, which provided the land, and some were given Army mules. However, after Lincoln's death, Andrew Johnson revoked the order.

By June 1865, around 10,000 freed slaves were settled on 400,000 acres (160,000 ha) in Georgia and South Carolina. Soon after, President Andrew Johnson reversed the order and returned the land to its white former owners. Because of this, the phrase has come to represent the failure of Reconstruction and the general public to assist African Americans.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/40_acres_and_a_mule#cite_note-0


Finally sister medusanegrita, our ancestors would turn over in there graves if they knew the negative approach taken by their descendents, today, toward the free labor provided in the growth of America...Peace In my sister friend, for real.

...

 
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I have not read this thread because black people talking about reparations interest me little. But since this was mentioned in the immigrant thread, thought I'd interject my opinions on it.


I am neither for or against reparations. I don't have enough information on it pro or con to make a decision about whether I am against it or for it. When I have this discussion around white people online and in real life - I always come off as being for it because I like rile them up on my history, what my people have done, how they contributed to this country, issues of white surpremacy, racial and skin color privilege, racism, and how my people are still suffering as a result of racism, white surprmacy and all that 140 years after the end of slavery and about 60 years after Jim Crow.

But when I discuss it with black people, I come off as being against it because I wonder how it's gonna come to us, where will it go, who will benefit from it and how, what about white people claiming some long lost black blood to get it, whether it should be in the form of money or social programs, or what have you. I wonder how the other people (like the Chinese and the Astralian aborigines) got their reps, what they did with it, and how it benefitted them, - but I never bothered to look at how they got they reps or what they did with it.

So if you were to listen or read me discuss it with the whites or the blacks - I'd come off as contrary depending on who my audience is - but many of us would probably come off as contrary because we may defend each other in white company, then question our own people on the the use of it or whether or not we need it.

And that is me. Now since my audience is here is black - then you can rightfully guess where I'm gonna go with this.

I wonder.....

Is it like a class action law suit - when the amount depends on the number of people getting it and how much the country or people are sued for? I'm thinking 'oh great, that's enough to buy a.... new LCD TV or a new used ride... cause I could really use a car and a few bucks to get me drivin legal again.'

That always reminds me of that Chappelle skit where all the black folks got money and put it in swine and chicken stock and the check cashing places got their profits increased 300% or something like that. Funny skit - but how close the truth? I'M RICH BIYAAAAAA!

If this is suppose to take the place of my 40 acres and a mule - do you know how much 40 acres is worth today in the US? This promise was made to us more than 100 years ago when there was plenty of cheap land to be had in the US, and I hardly think they will give me enough to cover the value of 40 acres of good prime land (or ANY land) in the United States. But hey... they give me enough and I'll buy back all the historic Kinloch and turn it into the black haven it once was, but if they ain't given me enough money to cover that, or the value of 40 acres and whatever the a mule is worth - then what of it?

Now you know I like money, and I like spending other people's money especially the government's money and would have no problem signing a petition to get me some money and likely blow it on some material thangs... but if I am take this more seriously than that......

well as I said initially - I haven't come to any conclusions pro or con.

"Historic kinloch"

Do you mind telling what state this is. I have a family farm in a town by the same name in mississippi.
 
Sister medusanegrita,

Well...thank you for at least posting to the thread, many have viewed but few have posted. Obviously and at your convenience, I would strongly encourage you to sign the petition and read the entire thread for answers; but do click every link in the initial post to learn the background and update information on the reparations movement.

Sister medusanegrita, candidness is a trait which marks you, the honesty with which you admit to having two view points on reparations, based on race, reflects that character; and in my opinion is not considered bi-polar, as I've read from another poster.


On the forty acres and a mule, Gen. Sherman, in 1865 generated Special Field Orders, No. 15, which provided the land, and some were given Army mules. However, after Lincoln's death, Andrew Johnson revoked the order.

By June 1865, around 10,000 freed slaves were settled on 400,000 acres (160,000 ha) in Georgia and South Carolina. Soon after, President Andrew Johnson reversed the order and returned the land to its white former owners. Because of this, the phrase has come to represent the failure of Reconstruction and the general public to assist African Americans.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/40_acres_and_a_mule#cite_note-0

Finally sister medusanegrita, our ancestors would turn over in there graves if they knew the negative approach taken by their descendents, today, toward the free labor provided in the growth of America...Peace In my sister friend, for real.


"Our ancestors would turn over in their graves if they knew the negative approach taken by their descedants, today"

Consider it a foregone conclusion. They're quite aware of everything we're doing.

No question about it, they've turned over in their graves, maybe its time for us to stop turning our backs on them.
 
"Historic kinloch"

Do you mind telling what state this is. I have a family farm in a town by the same name in mississippi.


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Kinloch is the oldest African-American community to be incorporated in the state of Missouri and was home to a vibrant and flourishing black community for much of the 19th and 20th century and is the hometown of California Congresswoman Maxine Waters.

In the 1980s, the City of St. Louis began to buy out property in Kinloch as part of the expansion of Lambert-St. Louis International Airport, dramatically reducing Kinloch's size. Eventually the airport took the vast majority of private homes in Kinloch. Between 1990 and 2000, Kinloch lost more than 75 percent of its population. The social and economic effects of this buyout were disastrous for the community and contributed more than anything else to its present plight.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kinloch,_Missouri
 

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