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    Queen Latifah Got it Right!~ About Nefertiti


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    It was only about a couple of weeks ago I decided to revisit a you tube that I had happened upon when I had viewed another link about the ancient Moors of Europe. I was so surprised to finally see someone else Black confirm my research about Nefertiti, in that she was actually a White foreign woman that became the head queen of ancient Egypt, and what made it even more amazing was that this particular youtube was narrated by Queen Latifah. But to my surprise and in just a couple of weeks, when I came back to revisit this blog and clicked, it was gone! Now, I wonder why? Because Queen Latifah is a celebrity, I felt that by her input, this kind of information could finally be received much better than it had been in the past. Not only that but, I faintly remember in my younger years that many urban Black African American women like Queen Latifah in the spotlight believed that they had descended from Nefertiti [var. Nefertete] and that she was a Black Nubian woman, and so byway of Queen Latifah’s narration and admission of new found facts, I believed this to be so awesome. But what happened to the blog? Who is the person that presented this blog, and did they just change their mind and decide to retract it for some reason? According to its listing, it was just recently presented only last year in 2010, so why the sudden retract?


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CLGuKNd0koE&feature=related

    At any rate, I thought the brief blog was well laid out and concentrated on my main approach to the confirmation of the truth in that it mostly showed words and quotes along with the narration that Queen Latifah offered. It also had a beautiful display of maps and other graphics that displayed other various proofs to the origin of Nefertiti and, I heard Queen Latifah read the quotes that overlapped these graphics and finally, she read that Nefertiti was indeed of foreign descent. The blog presented details that agree with my research in that Nefertiti and many other ancient White people also became apart of ancient Egypt during that time in history. I decided to do a search on just who was the source behind this retracted youtube and I did more research on Queen Latifah to see what kind of connection she could have had with the owner of this blog. I found out that the deleted youtube was connected to someone named ‘Noble Moorish Scholar’ and/or Justfarr1030, but initially, I saw no connection to him, or the content of the blog, to Queen Latifah. And to my surprise though, I was overjoyed to find out that, although the blog was deleted, I stumbled upon the very core of the research that he presented, in that it was quotes from the very credible and published works of the well noted Ivan Van Sertima! So it did not matter to me now that the blog was deleted because all I need to do at this point would be to go directly to the source and verify the information about Nefertiti from Sertima’s own research. However, because I am thankful for the connection that this blog offered me, I still wanted to find out more about the Noble Moorish Scholar and his possible connection to Queen Latifah. But after searching, it seems that nothing that she is affiliated with today in her celebrity world, even in her Hip Hop style of performance, has an attachment to anything scholarly in connection with an urban Afrocentric approach that this blog portrayed. Almost all of the recent biographies and links on Queen Latifah shed no light on her being connected to anything with the likes of the Noble Moorish Scholar, so I thought ‘Why in the world would he have chosen her to narrate his blog’? She seems different today than she was in the past, I suppose, more cosmopolitan, and not as ‘ethnic’ as she once seems to have been. No matter, her whole persona, including her celebrity name, reveals that there must be something in her past that links her to this kind of Afrocentric research. So I dug deeper.

    The more popular biographies reports say that her birth name is ‘Dana Owens’ and that it was her cousin that gave her the Arabic name ‘Latifah’ but when I looked into it further, I found that she herself chose the name ‘out of a Muslim book’ when she was at her cousins house, and it was not until years later that she adopted the name as a celebrity name. Queen Latifah was born in New Jersey, raised in a Baptist Church and went to a Catholic school, but during these young years, she began to rap and soon found recognition by a local DJ, and that would be the link that is not publicized today.


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    The DJ, Mark James was connected to the movement started by Clarence 13X, the Five Percenters or, the Nations of Gods and Earth, and although it was hard to find information, it so happens that Queen Latifah was once a Five Percenter! It is written by some that she eventually left off from that movement due to her feminist approach, nevertheless, it was stated that some of her material comes from that movement! And the Five Percenters’ nation still claims her in connection with their ‘God Hop’ style of spreading their message and research. In addition, in the very same region where Queen Latifah grew up in Newark, New Jersey, the connection of the Noble Moorish Scholar and the Moorish Science temple, was also apart of that same city. The founder of the Moorish Science temple, Noble Drew Ali, founded the first temple in 1913 in Newark, New Jersey, and they do have some affiliating with the Moorish Science temple. So although the recent deleted blog sort of goes along with her in vogue image today that she seems to portray, and has kept Queen Latifah disconnected from her past connections with such organization, amazingly, I found the source of her very beginnings right in the very city that she lived and grew up as a young girl. In one sense, her not being with the Nations of Gods and Earth because of her feminist personification sure does seem to fit todays’ gossip about her close relationship with her friend, Jeannette Jenkins, but in another sense, her stylish and glamorous poses sometimes presents another side that she can exonerate as well:

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    So even though the deleted blog wiped out Queen Latifah’s very recent contribution to understanding more hidden facts about ancient Egypt, she at least caused me to have to search deeper, and what I found was even more credible that the blog. I was able to go straight to the source of this renewed history, the late Ivan Van Sertima, who not too much longer before his death, wrote in detail about the ancient records that reveal the foreign origins of Nefertiti. Even though, my research comes from another angle, because Sertima is a well known and well disciplined and a famous scholar, I find it so incredible that he confirms some of my own research. In his recent publications, he quotes other authors and various interpretations of ancient scripts on this subject as well and gives us a variety of references to cross reference and confirm. Because of the mis-education of our system, I feel that it is so important to rely on words in context as a primary source in order to confirm history and because Sertima was bold enough to revisit the history of ancient Egypt and concentrated on the words and proper translations of ancient text instead of just relying upon the ancient idols, the truth has come to light. For so long, we have been made to concentrate on just the color of Nefertiti as being the source of controversy, but the words reveal that it is much more than just color that goes along with marking the origins of the kinds of foreigners that migrated into ancient Egypt and became apart of that ancient civilization. As Sertima’s research reveals, Nefertiti was connected to the Mitannian civilization, a predominantly White civilization of people to the north of Egypt, but even still, it would be the other dominant traits of these Indo-Aryan people that confirms Nefertiti’s origins, in my opinion, more so than her being White complexioned. And based upon even other recent translated script and digs and etc., I find that it would be the prevalent genetic traits that reveal the true origins of Nefertiti that should be the focus. In a recent National Geographic publication, even though the experts rely upon imaging and CT scans to bring forth new truths, it is the actual words that they are only confirming, words that were already written a long time ago:

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    Nefertiti's Real, Wrinkled Face Found in Famous Bust?

    Nefertiti's "hidden" visage is more realistic, with creases around the corners of her mouth (above, bottom left) and cheeks, less prominent cheekbones, and a bump on her nose….

    A carefully carved limestone face in the inner core of the Egyptian queen's famous bust (above, right) has emerged in new images, a new study says….

    These new images show that Thutmose placed stucco layers of varying thickness on top of a limestone core….
    http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2009/03/090331-nefertiti-bust-picture.html

    The name of the actual sculptor, Thutmose, who sculpted the bust of Nefertiti almost 3000 years ago has been revealed in ancient scripts. Script becomes so reliable not only because of what was found in Egypt, but because of many other scripts from other civilizations that also record events that coincide with what was happening in Egypt and they can be cross referenced and verify history as well. Because Egypt had relations with other countries, some of their activities have been well recorded in these various countries and if we concentrate on these scripts, the truth will surface. And this is what Sertima offers. Although some translations may vary for awhile, with the opportunity for Black African Americans to be able to look at words in context for ourselves , ultimately, the truth will eventually surface and we won‘t have to merely rely upon the translations of others. And this is what I have found to be so rewarding, to able to read and understand the words in context for myself and even go deeper into what has been offered by various authors in which Sertima references as well. At any rate, here are just a few quotes from the findings of Sertima:

    Nefer-Titi (Circa 1350S to 1340S b.c.e.)

    But just who was Nefertiti? What did she really look like?…

    Ankh-en-aten and Nefertiti changed the royal residence from West to the city of Ankhenaten. Ankh-en-aten took, as we shall see, a foreign woman as his Great wife. He and Tuth-mes IV were the only kings in the 18th Dynasty to do so. These moves by Ankh-en-aten weakened the power of the Waset Priesthood temporarily. So the new religion that the royal pair, Ankh-en-aten and Nefertiti, initiated was alien and foreign to Kemet. Was Nefertiti herself also alien and foreign?

    Alexandre Moret said that Nefertiti was the daughter of a foreign king.

    “ The breach with tradition was already marked by a first innovation-the Mitannian marriages….
    the Pharaohs decided to take Mitannian princesses as their Great Royal Wives, Thothmes IV married the daughter of Artama, King of Mitanni, and she was treated as the true Queen of Egypt, where she bore the name Mutemuiia. Amenhotep III, at the height of the glory of the Egyptian Empire, took into his harem first the sister and then the daughter of Dushratta, King of Mitanni, but his Great Royal Wife was Tii, …

    …Their son, Amenhotep IV, took as his Great Wife Nefertiti, as the Egyptians called Tadukhipa, Dushratta’s daughter; she having been sent to Egypt to marry Amenhotep IIi a few days before his death, married his son instead.” (Moret, 1972, p. 316, italics mine)

    …To say that Nefertiti was a beautiful woman is one thing. To say that the “Berlin Bust of Nefertiti” was the most beautiful image of a woman in Kemet, and perhaps the most beautiful image of a woman ever is a bit much….It is an irony of ironies that the world “knows” an alien woman and an alien image as the most famous symbol of Africa’s Grand Golden Age!
    http://books.google.com/books?id=D1...w#v=onepage&q=mitanni queen nefertiti&f=false

    But I so disagree; For Black people to say and think that a foreign woman or man is the most beautiful images more so than themselves [ourselves] back then, is not at all different from what many of us manifest this very day! No. It is not unusual at all that the majority of ancient and indigenous people of Kemet could have been deceived and eventually accepted this elevation of an Asiatic women above their own kind without even a small concerted effort to rebut it. Unfortunately we perpetuate this intense form of self-hatred almost everyday in many ways, starting with our ‘Bad hair?’. And it is for this very reason that we have been deceived about Nefertiti even though the evidence is here in script and has been for quite some time now. Our suppressors know how to appeal to our weaknesses and deceive us and keep us suppressed because it has been a repeated pattern. Although the words have been scripted long ago, we seem to gravitate to idols as a way to confirm our history and don’t consider the inherent flaws that goes along with this form of acceptance. Anyone can make an image and change features at will, but words are eternal. Even the photos of Queen Latifah that are presented can be altered in ways to downplay her origins, not to mention her difference in hairstyles from her youth up until today that she and most celebrities manifest.

    Idols and pictures are important in regards to date history and verify other elements in time, but they should always be confirmed with words. Behind the idol is always the idol maker and if we accept it to be the truth without confirmation to words, then it is as if we are playing a game of chance, but no matter, the idol maker becomes our god, no matter what the image presents. But it is of no affect as to how much words can be blasphemed, with research the truth always goes back to an origin of which is not mankind. And based upon my own research, I have so much more to share because I like to look deeper into the origin of words offered even in various translations. We need to be able to read, translate and understand script in order to confirm history for ourselves and not have to depend upon others interpretations. And this is what I try to bring to the forefront in my research. Although some scholars may say that Nefertiti was Mitannian, I say to look at her name, because she is also ‘Hittite’ as well; ‘Nefertiti’ [Nefer-TITI; ‘Titi’ is a shortened word for ‘Hitite’].


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    Chevron Dove, where is the proof that Nefertiti was a foreign/Asiatic woman? Here body has never been found. The representations of her in ancient Egyptian art, show her and her children to be Egyptian.
     
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    Youtube has a policy of taking down what they deem copyright violations and "hate speech." Now you can pretty much interpret in the case of the latter what that will be. If it's something you can't buy, it's helpful to download, because as sure as you live and breath, if it questions the status quo, it will be snatched! That aside, the truth about what lead to the downfall is being unveiled. We NEED to know what happened to be informed about what NOT to do. The fact that we are being forced to even debate this says a LOT in and of itself--that regardless of how many times the lesson has been placed in front of the masses, it continues to go unheeded. Thus, the cycle continues.

    This is the image that they claim is supposed to have been the real woman....(dunno)...

    http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl...&sa=X&ei=c-ShTZkojbi3B9abnPsC&ved=0CCMQ9QEwAQ .


    Queen Latifah may have just been the narrator with not much interest beyond that??..again...dunno. I didn't see the clip, but I do remember her red, black, and queen (green) days; it seems she was like many during that period--caught up in the moment. You know we've moved through fads in terms of consciousness, but it's primarily been motivated by reaction rather than proaction. The only ones who've been consistent are those who have been proactive in questioning the greater and more extensive history of the game and our collective sickness. You can just about guarantee that many of those who question ONLY when they see some BLATANT act like a hanging, rape, or wrongful conviction, will be in 'the movement' only for as long as it takes for them 'to get theirs'. Not saying that that's her story necessarily, but it's evident that momentary consciousness is a real phenomenon.

    By the way, here's some information I think you will be interested in; when you check it out, let me know what you think of it; this sister gets mad respect from me, but you know the deal...


    http://www.blogtalkradio.com/nickylovenankh/2009/03/10/the-order-of-maat-show

    http://www.blogtalkradio.com/theremix/2009/10/10/letava-mabilijengo

    http://www.sisterletava.com/ (her site with a book download link) .




     
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    The Berlin bust was not inscribed, did not carry her name or any iconography that carried her name. And is the only bust lacking these things. The other busts and depictions of her that show her as clearly Egyptian/African and inscribed with her name are many and do not resemble the Berlin bust.
     
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    I'm not speaking for Chevron, but I'm thinking maybe the issue is about her racial identity; arguably, anybody will try to claim identity based on nationalism. Was she Black, nonblack, mixed..what? How did she wind up becoming royalty? What was her agenda? What did she do/accomplish in her capacity? How did it tie in with the great downfall? These are all questions which are significant in understanding the Black story.




     
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    I just provided the concrete proof that Nefertiti was foreign and linked to an Asiatic civilization. And I believe the statement that, her body was never found even offers a serious clue as well to that she had the ability to escape death when her husband, was targeted and attacked for imposing a foreign religion upon the indigenous people of Kemet.

    But you know, I don't disagree with you, at all, that Nefertiti was also 'EGYPTIAN', but what I hope you soon come to understand me concerning the speicific distinction between 'an Egyptian' and 'a Kemet' or Nubian.

    I even heard another scholar of whom confirms my research, Dr. Barashango, who also points out that THE EGYPTIANS are foreigners. Based upon my research, an Egyptian is definitely intermixed with NUBIANS or, KEMET in their origins, but they are not NUBIANS nor are they indigenous to the land of Africa. and this may help to recognize why nefertiti could be defined as both a foreign Hitite woman from Mitanni, and and Egyptian. The fact that the images show variations is not the key point for a major reason with regards to other issues that I want to share now:

    We have to go back and look at the very beginning of the set up of the 18th Dynasty and perhaps this might shed some light on Nefertiti.

    The system was founded by Kamose and Ahmose, and they were indeed written to be of the land and cultures of Nubia, but the problem arose after they died! There was no male heir! And this is the key. The next pharaoh that came after that assumed control because he married THE SISTER [daughter?] of the Moses king and that is where the TUTHMOSE line took off. this man adopted the name of TUTHMOSE [MOSE] but, he was himself A FOREIGNER. And this crucial point is constantly overlooked. Furthermore, the Tuthmoses line that took off at this point were from the north!

    These 'Black' Tuthmoses men, although they were from the north and connected to the Hurrian civilizations, they were also EGYPTIANS, and all of their history as it takes off from this very beginning point, gives detail that they brought in many, many foreign women, both Black and White [Asiatic] and placed many of these women above the indigenous women of the land in Egypt. I can't understand why, when this is clearly evident in script, this is being ignored. And there's more;

    Like this Tuthmoses line, most of the history of the Egyptians is loaded with evidences that they worshiped Asiatic, white, light...PEOPLE! Therefore, when we so diligently try to define Nefertiti by the images, it is so misleading because no matter how much 'black blood', we may want her to have, she would have never been elevated for it, but she was elevated for being linked to her foreign origins. More importantly, technically and scientifically, there would have been many HITITE PEOPLE of whom did not exhibit extremely white skin, or indo-Aryan features because their origins were from darkness, but the issue is that they WANTED TO BE DEFINED FOR BEING AS WHITE AND INDO-ARYAN as they could possibly become. And so when we try to fit Nefertiti and also other women whom became apart of the Egyptian civilizations into what we want to believe in that they were loyal to the Nubians and/or Black people, we are actually ignoring evidence that they themselves did not want to be defined in that way.

    Do you realize that even Queen Tiy was catering to the Mitannians and became a key person in sucking Nubia of its wealth in order to provide these White people!? Some of these 'Egyptian queens' that we are trying to identify with didn't give a flying fart about Black pride. They were in service to foreign men of whom they married and elevated above the Nubian man! They felt that they had arrived because they were finally acknowledged by these foreigners. And they along with kings sucked Nubia of many treasures, including its people.

    And there is much more evidence. another is the DNA that places these Tutmoses and Nefertiti in the north. the antropology of their noted head/skull shape is linked to a certain region in the north.
     
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    listening!
     
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    All in all, it is still speculation when speaking of her origins as lying outside of Africa without any real concrete evidence. She may indeed have been of foreign origin but, in my opinion, solid evidence is lacking to support it. I am sure you know that some question the name Kemet. I do not agree entirely with what you present, however your conclusions from your research are interesting and appreciated.

     
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    So far, I've listened to the first link.

    I love it when she talked about 'forty acres and a mule'! and she brought out some incredible points, truths, about how the white man has orchestrated his plan with the Black man and have completely shut out the human rights of Black women of whom have been totally enslaved and forced to do slave labor. NO LEGAL RECOMPENSATION WRITTEN ON THEIR LAW BOOKS!

    And, Oh Man!--I so understand what she is saying about how the type of Black man that don't want to allow Black women to have liberation and leadership ...because they actually fear a rebuttal of what they have done to us! So they work to keep us suppressed. You know, I can so understand this.

    She says that the average brother enjoys the luxury of worship, even if he’s wrong and that if we Black women support this it becomes a death sentence for us.

    I'm glad that she stressed that "kind of elevation should only be preserved for literally the Creator of all..." because for me, her title of that particular book threw me off.

    I so agree with her in that Black women constantly compromise ourselve for the brother's needs, not because of his needs, but because of his wants! And to me, that is a victimization that we get from these particular kinds of Black men, and it is hate.

    I love how she talked about the victimization of slavery times and equated it to this very theme of Black women being victimized. Man! She doesn't back down off of the reality that we are ignoring the black-on-black issues of it. Amazing!

    She says that if a brother is not qualified to be in charge and has not justified his position then we need to look at this issue...It is not a seat of privilege.

    I too agree with the moderator, Nikki Love, when she stepped in and brought out that there needs to be a balance. they agreed that we, Black women have to call each other 'to the carpet'...

    And this too, is what i so believe. At first when she said that she was not a feminist, I thought she was contradicting herself, but as I listened to her more, I realized that she really hits some incredible issues.

    Now, I heard the brother bring out something that he had read about Herodotus, and he said that in ancient time, Black woman ran the house and black men pretty much gave into this. I'm not sure about his whole point of view, but what I believe though, is that in order for us to have a balance, we must go back to ancient times!

    I strongly believe that some ancient Black women played a role in the downfall of Black men as well. I believe that we need to remember that behind these negative kinds of Black men, many of them they have Black mothers that were their nurturers and they do play apart in the process of how some Black men can become adults and have hate and total disrespect for the Black women, his own counterpart. I'm telling you from my own personal experience, that not only do the White male supremacist plays a role in turning the Black African man against Black women, but it is also White women as well. And this process begins very early in a Black African mans life. The hate and disrespect for Black women starts with appealing to the young Black man ABOUT HIS MOTHER!--And if Black women don't have a good attitude about the Black man, she will poison her son and become apart of the process as to why some Black men do develop an intense hatred for Black women as a whole.

    If the Black African women transfer anger and hate about the negative Black man in the presence of her son, no matter how unintentional, what she is doing is destroying him and her ownself image...right in front of her son. And the White world knows this and takes the opportunity to appeal to the young Black man about his own mother. This, in my opinion, is where the root of a lot of problems begins, and we don't bring this out like we should. Like Nikki Love said, at some point women have to take some responsibility as to why we sometimes choose to lay down with a Black man. Sometimes, in my opinion, Black women exploit Black men and do this and know that they don't really like them and then they are abandoned, they speak hate in the presence of their sons...about their absent fathers...

    This problem is deep seeded, and I think Letava is awesome and she causes a lot of emotions to surface that needs to be. This issue must be dealt with if there is to be Black Unity.

    I'm looking forward to hearing some more of her!
     
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    And the Berlin bust is a fake.
     
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