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Jails / Prisons : Prison: Black Crips defend white Aryan Brotherhood

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    Black inmates defend Aryan Brotherhood in Santa Ana trial
    GILLIAN FLACCUS
    Associated Press

    SANTA ANA, Calif. - Two black prison gang members testified Wednesday that the notorious Aryan Brotherhood was too small and weak to attack a rival black gang behind bars and incite a race war that left two inmates dead.

    The testimony of the witnesses, members of the Crips and Black Guerrilla Family, came in the final days of a sweeping federal racketeering trial against the white supremacist gang.

    The case, believed to be one of the largest death penalty cases in U.S. history, alleges that imprisoned Aryan Brotherhood ringleaders orchestrated 32 murders and attempted murders over a 30-year period. Of the 40 people originally arrested, up to 16 could face the death penalty in several trials.

    At the heart of the government's case is a 1997 race riot at a prison in Lewisburg, Pa., that resulted in the deaths of two members of the DC Blacks prison gang. Prosecutors allege the hits were ordered by way of a secret message sent by two Aryan Brotherhood members currently on trial - Barry "The Baron" Mills and T.D. "The Hulk" Bingham - from another prison.

    On Wednesday, an imprisoned member of the Black Guerrilla Family gang testified that the Aryan Brotherhood was severely outnumbered in the federal prison system by the DC Blacks.

    Witness James "Doc" Holiday said there were at most 10 Aryan Brotherhood members at his prison, while the DC Blacks were "the majority."

    Holiday said DC Blacks had a type of violent mentality that didn't exist among other prison gangs. He said the racial strife was largely instigated by the black gang, with the Aryan Brotherhood defending itself.

    When tensions started to rise among black and white inmates in 1996 and 1997, Mills tried to ease the problem rather than inflame it, Holiday said.

    "I know him and I know that he wouldn't initiate something like that because he knows the consequences," Holiday said of the racial problems.

    "Only the young and the foolish and the uninitiated would start something like that in prison," said Holiday, who is serving two life terms for drug violations.

    Earlier in the day, another inmate and member of the Crips testified that the white supremacist gang was vastly outnumbered by the DC Blacks and had to act in self-defense.

    "I care how it comes out because I know these people," said Mick Daughtery, who's been in prison nearly 30 years on drug convictions. "But I'm not biased."

    The government alleges Bingham passed a secret message that read "War with DC Blacks, TD" to Aryan Brotherhood members at the Lewisburg prison in 1997 after racial strife broke out at a prison in Marion, Ill.

    A series of government witnesses have testified that they helped pass the contents of the message written in invisible ink made from urine.

    The defense has argued that the message was a warning to Aryan Brotherhood members at other prisons about escalating racial tensions, and that it was misinterpreted by those who received it.

    Holiday testified that the troubles at Marion began when a member of the DC Blacks assaulted a white inmate with a radio because he wanted to be transferred to another prison. Things escalated, he said, when DC Blacks attacked white inmates in the prison yard.

    The trial began in mid-March and entered its final days this week. Defense attorneys for Bingham, Mills and another defendant, Edgar "The Snail" Hevle, have rested their cases.

    The trial was recessed until July 6, when an attorney for the fourth defendant, Christopher Gibson, will begin his defense. Closing arguments are expected to begin July 11.
     
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    Brother DustyElbow ... getting folk to abide by rule #2 has been quite challenging. I believe it's just the nature of the Internet, folk are so accustomed to sharing everything.

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    if this is true, i lose all respect for the crips.....oh, that's right, i didn't have any to begin with
     
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    If this article is about the situation in Cali's prison system its making a serious error. Its no longer a "Black/White" matter as the Hispanic gang population has multiplied. The Aryans have typically been more associated with the Hispanic gangs but this began to change as the mexican mafia-affiliated 18th St and MS 13 cut into the aryan's heroin trade. I spoke to this before, the shift of the Black gangs been affiliated with Hispanic gangs and now being closer to the aryans.

    I noticed the article speaks of folks in Illinois so that is why I question its source. Who are these "DC Blacks". That does not sound like a CRIPS set to me...
     
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    OK I will be carry out #2 from now on. Just links and snippets.
     
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    dont believe the hype...

    1. aryan brotherhood have been/still are cowards. they kill by 'swarming' a lone brother and all get a tatoo for the one kill. (as when several swarmed on the brother from DC at marion). it used to be called lynching.
    2. aryan brotherhood has always been an instrument of the (white) prison admins. (just as the kkk and other white supremist orgs on the street are the instruments of the state)
    3. the brothers from DC have always been the strongest and most organized group in the federal system and they are the true targets of this govt move.
    i will do a session on this soon and explain why the DC brothers are such a distinctly powerful group. understand, in the federal system, the Black prisoners organize primarily based on where you're from, secondarily on other fronts, (religion, 'organizations', crimes, etc)
    4. the southern poverty law center's info must be taken with caution. they have a long history of using planted info and propoganda. i know, as i have been the recipient of their stuff.

    (note: i was imprisoned at leavenworth penitentiary (KS) for 5 years and was held at marion (IL), terre haute(IN), milan (MI) and mcc/chicago for various periods and knew people from every group mentioned in these articles, although the brothers from DC do not call themselves DC Blacks).
    Defintely a great post though, as we need to know of the struggles going in the prisons.
     
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    Hey Cat, the AB may be ********...and as much as I don't like em', they **** sure ain't cowards...they out numbered 10 to 1 in the Federal prison system and they handle they f***in business...you mean to tell me you ain't never seen some brothers " swarm" on a whiteboy ???
     
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    Cursing and Swearing is not allowed in our discussions (which includes typing around these words).

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