Metu Neter - Vols I - II - III : Possession and Trance: Whats the Difference?

[Khent Neter]

Reviewing the Lessons

Thanks HipHop and Blackbird for ya'll enlightenment. I was reviewing the Metu Neter vol. one to see if anything was in there concerning these experiences and low and behold in ch. 23 "Underlying Principles of the Practice of Meditation and Rituals"

According to Ra Un Nefer Amen, there are two prime states of consciousness one that is extroverted (aware of the external environment), the other being introverted (detached from the environment). Within these two states (modes) of consciousness there are 3 modalities of each, totaling 6 modalities of consciousness.

Relevant to this discussion of trance, Shekhem Ur Shekhem points out that there are 3 states of trance, 2 types being waking transe and the other being a mediumistic. In the case of waking trance, consciousness is introverted. The difference between the 2 is the condition/activity of the will. In the one type of waking trance the will is focus and is awake-active(mentally active). In the other the will is focused also, but is awake-relaxed (mentally passive). It is in this second state that "the life-force is free to throw up all associated thoughts, and spiritual agencies - deities, ancestors, ect. - are able to enlighten the meditator" RUNA says it is here that we are "dreaming, yet awake" therefor we are "able to clearly remember everything that transpired" (p. 383)

Mediumistic trance is when we are extroverted "thus communicating with the environment and the body, but our will is in a passive state" (p. 384). this is were our bodies are controlled by the subconscious/ life force or the will of another entity.

Good Looking on the wisdom Blackbird and sharing that experience.

 

[hiphopolx]

Thanks HipHop and Blackbird for ya'll enlightenment. I was reviewing the Metu Neter vol. one to see if anything was in there concerning these experiences and low and behold in ch. 23 "Underlying Principles of the Practice of Meditation and Rituals"

According to Ra Un Nefer Amen, there are two prime states of consciousness one that is extroverted (aware of the external environment), the other being introverted (detached from the environment). Within these two states (modes) of consciousness there are 3 modalities of each, totaling 6 modalities of consciousness.

Relevant to this discussion of trance, Shekhem Ur Shekhem points out that there are 3 states of trance, 2 types being waking transe and the other being a mediumistic. In the case of waking trance, consciousness is introverted. The difference between the 2 is the condition/activity of the will. In the one type of waking trance the will is focus and is awake-active(mentally active). In the other the will is focused also, but is awake-relaxed (mentally passive). It is in this second state that "the life-force is free to throw up all associated thoughts, and spiritual agencies - deities, ancestors, ect. - are able to enlighten the meditator" RUNA says it is here that we are "dreaming, yet awake" therefor we are "able to clearly remember everything that transpired" (p. 383)

Mediumistic trance is when we are extroverted "thus communicating with the environment and the body, but our will is in a passive state" (p. 384). this is were our bodies are controlled by the subconscious/ life force or the will of another entity.

Good Looking on the wisdom Blackbird and sharing that experience.

Wow!! My hats off to you. I'm impressed you found it that fast!! I would've been searching for that for weeks. Maybe longer. (???why you ask ??)

I just lent out my Metu Neter vol. 1 again (I just got it back) I have these discussions with ppl, I start talking about the Metu Neter and it always ends with......

Person 1 "That sounds deep, What's the name of that book again?''

Hiphopolx '' Medu Neter, it's spelled M-E-T-U and Neter. You know what I have the book here. I'll go to my car and get it.''

And I may or may not see the book for a long period of time. Once I didn't get it back, the friend I lent it to lent it out and the person moved. Oh well. I would have been looking hard in Vol 2 for the info you found in chapter 23 in Volume 1 and probably forgotten about it until somebody would have mentioned it.
Thanks to you I have a reference to where i can find it.
Thank you.

The state of consciousness you mentioned, where you detach your self from your environment is what the priestess instructed I should practice. After a card reading she gave me.
Now I have question (for anybody) The state of trance mentioned by Khent Neter, below where

"the life-force is free to throw up all associated thoughts, and spiritual agencies - deities, ancestors, ect. - are able to enlighten the meditator" RUNA says it is here that we are "dreaming, yet awake" therefor we are "able to clearly remember everything that transpired" (p. 383)'']

Would the person necessarily know if they were being influenced by a deity or ancestor? Someone who doesn't believe in deities or possession, or isn't aware of the different states of consciousness could still be affected would be my conclusion. Their various beliefs, non beliefs, or awareness of RUNA's break down of the states of consciousness should not have a bearing if they are being influenced by a deity or ancestor. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

Peace

 

[KMTSista]

Tua-u MenNefer for the insight.

That has been a question that has been plaguing my mind for some time now because I have experience, i guess, mediumistic trances and i could never explain it. For example, I have been doing some private rituals in my home/dorm and my person would speak against my control. The speaking comes out very sporadic and feels impulsive and what comes out are usually just grunts and the deep guttural yelling of the chants, but other times there are instructions and/or concepts that are said (i.e "start introducing yourself as khent neter"). Other times I dance, but its an african dance, which i have never done before! Is this my spirit talking/taking over or it is my Shepsu?

This experiences always occur when I do a Heru ritual.

LOL, are you using the Heru meditational CD? It's awesome and I can see it taking you to that level because of the drumming

 

[jamesfrmphilly]

why analyze?

Can some one please explain the mechanics of these experiences?

what is the point of that? what happens, happens.

 

[gogounited]

what is the point of that? what happens, happens.

I suppose the point would be to better understand what is actually happening. Understanding this phenomena, in retrospect and after it has occured, will not hinder what is and has happened from happening.