This is exactly my point, Rich. There are multiple cases of this very thing in response to several points I have made here. Rather than addressing the substance of the argument or producing evidence against my claim or even FOR THEIR claim, they hurl accusations of "self-hate". The process of proving their claim or disproving mine is thereby subverted. The smoke screen is then deployed to change the subject to a discussion about personal choices I, as a full grown man, have made, which are completely irrelevent to the subject at hand. So, here we are with a larger smoke screen to deem the "problem of self-hate" as "overwhelming". So complex is this supposed problem of self-hate, that it requires "all hands on deck". As far as I know, the only form of "self-hate" I have seen addressed is the freedom to oppose the self-appointed CoBC. To my knowledge, there has been no real attempt at all by the self-appointed CoBC to address REAL SELF-HATE, the type that is destructive to the individual and the collective community. To be clear, specific examples would include failure to embrace education, men abandoning their responsibility to their children, and black men taking the lives of 6,400 black men each year (17 per day). I can hardly wait to see what the self-appointed CoBC decides after this "serious attempt at drawing up a plan to help identify self-hate".