Black People : NON-HBCU univ. graduates more Black than any HBCU

ABSiblings · Jun 19, 2012

Each1teach1 said: ↑

I heard this sad argument in person from Micheal Eric Dyson about his OWN son no less!!! Now I agree that the colleges are not obsolete but they have certainly lost focus and vision. They are so busy trying to keep up with whites that they are falling behind in catering to the specific needs of their students and more important nation building and creating leadership (which they do none of). Getting back on point I believe that if a kid couldnt keep a B or better and doesnt have the focus of becoming a doctor, nurse, astronaut or lawyer they dont need to be in college anyway. It would be a waste of time and money. Thats just my opinion, especially when the job market is so competitive that even the best cant even get the top job it instead given to the best of the best lol. The problem is that degrees over saturate the market today and if you didnt get one in the top fields from one of the top schools you can forget about a great salary (100k or more). But you will look reluctantly toward paying that student loan which could be twice that. SMH...Im not done I have more to say I'll be back lol

White folk ill-prepare us for collegiate studies. But we have the best minds in the world. We have more focus to becoming a 'doctor,' 'nurse,' 'astronaut' or 'lawyer' than any other people. We just need to remember.

HBCUs are memorials.

Knowledge Seed · Jun 20, 2012

cherryblossom said: ↑

It's called the "GOOD OL' BOY SYSTEM."

It's called "WHITE PRIVILEGE."

It's called "NETWORKING." --- And traditionally and historically, WHITES are more apt and liable to attain certain employment levels through it.

Yes, there are always EXCEPTIONS; but by-and-large, you could take almost any TOP Black graduate of any HBCU put against even a LOW g.p.a WHITE graduate of GA State and that WHITE kid is gonna get the job.

Please do not be deceived that GSU is "full of no names."

The "BOARD OF REGENTS" is the controlling/governing body for the ENTIRE "University System of Georgia." --- including GA STATE.

MEET YOUR BOARD OF REGENTS:

NOTE the ONE Black man on the Board.

....Moreover, GA State also has a historical connection with GA TECH. So, I'm sure some names and clout and "networking" still goes on by and thru its staff/faculty, as well.

... so much for your "full of NO NAMES."

Calm down. Being an emotional wreck won't help your argument.

How does "white privilege" determine how much alumni engage students?

And black folks can't network? Statistics shows people are more likely to hire those that look like them. How hard is it for somebody in the Career Services department at an HBCU to contact at least some of the firms on the Black Enterprise Top 100? They certainly have no problem calling the white-owned Fortune 500.

You obviously have select reading. I definitely said "mostly full of no-names." In terms of historical and current prominence, the AUC definitely leaves GSU in the dirt.

Let's be clear: This thread is about student-alumni engagement. And the fact of the matter is, HBCUs don't do it well (and in many cases, not at all).

cherryblossom · Jun 20, 2012

Knowledge Seed said: ↑

Calm down. Being an emotional wreck won't help your argument.

*sigh* I am not "emotional," much less a "wreck" of any kind.

Knowledge Seed said: ↑

How does "white privilege" determine how much alumni engage students?

How do YOU know with any certainty that HBCU alumni do NOT engage students?---Across this country, there are HBCU alumni associations and alliances which do engage students. --For example: the Atlanta HBCU Alumni Alliance, the Birmingham HBCU Alliance, the South Florida HBCU Alumni Alliance, and many more grouped by college/city/or region which assist HBCU students with career placement.

Knowledge Seed said: ↑

And black folks can't network? Statistics shows people are more likely to hire those that look like them. ...

I see you believe in "STATISTICS;" but the REALITY is that there are far more WHITE owned/controlled companies than Black. Therefore, the MAJORITY of our HBCU graduates will be, largely, seeking employment within WHITE companies.

Yes, Black people DO "network." On some level/degree/or capacity, we have always sought to FIGHT and CIRCUMVENT the "GOOD OL' BOY systems" and "WHITE PRIVILEGES" we see on our jobs EVERYDAY. --My first professional job was attained because another BLACK person, an HBCU alumna from a DIFFERENT college, spoke for/recommended me; but my EMPLOYER was WHITE.

However, largely, because of fewer resources, we have been striving to CATCH UP with WHITE America in the "NETWORKING" device. They have HUNDREDS of years AHEAD OF US via the "GOOD OL' BOY system" and WHITE PRIVILEGE.

Knowledge Seed said: ↑

..How hard is it for somebody in the Career Services department at an HBCU to contact at least some of the firms on the Black Enterprise Top 100? They certainly have no problem calling the white-owned Fortune 500.

How do YOU know with any certainty that Black Enterprise and its Top 100 do NOT employ HBCU graduates?

How many of GSU's African American graduates does its Career Services Dept. or its "mostly no-names" ALUMNI place with BLACK OWNED companies?

Moreover, how many of GSU's African American graduates does its Career Service Dept. or "mostly no-names" ALUMNI place with FORTUNE 500 companies?

Knowledge Seed said: ↑

You obviously have select reading. I definitely said "mostly full of no-names." ....

There are 105 HBCUs and 10 are in Georgia. GSU is 1 of 35 colleges under the Univ. System of Georgia. ---and only 3 HBCUs are under the auspices of the Univ. System of GA.

I assure you, the "mostly no-names" at HBCUs greatly outnumber the "mostly no-names" at GSU and throughout the Univ. System of GA.

I assure you that the OTHER WHITE alumni of GSU and the OTHER WHITE alumni of the Univ. System of GA is full of KNOWN NAMES and OLD MONEY.

Knowledge Seed said: ↑

...In terms of historical and current prominence, the AUC definitely leaves GSU in the dirt.

Surely, you are not comparing the ENTIRE (mostly WHITE) Univ. System of GA comprised of 35 colleges to the AUC comprised of 3 HBCUs: Clark-Atlanta, Morehouse, Spelman (and sometimes Morris Brown w/Accreditation) ---And only THREE HBCUs are under the Univ. System of GA: Savannah State, Albany State, and Ft. Valley. (I think Alcorn St. may also be.) http://www.usg.edu/inst/

Knowledge Seed said: ↑

Let's be clear: This thread is about student-alumni engagement. And the fact of the matter is, HBCUs don't do it well (and in many cases, not at all).

HBCU Connect/Career Center:
http://hbcuconnect.com/cgi-bin/jobs/index.cgi

HBCU Career Development Marketplace:
http://www.hbcucareermarket.com/

Minority Professional Network:
http://www.minorityprofessionalnetwork.com/bizdata.asp?id=2767

TOP 50 EMPLOYERS OF HBCU GRADUATES:
http://hbcuconnect.com/top50employers.shtml[/quote][/quote]

cherryblossom · Jun 20, 2012

Each1teach1 said: ↑

Im not going to say that they are 100% failing the students or even 50% may be pushing it. However I do agree wholly that the alumni associations for the most part are weak and this is due mostly to the fact that although we have a great connection with the staff and faculty, institutionally the university that I attended did not create that bridge from student to employment and that needs to happen. This was the case at my university for many students. Secondly how can the alumni be strong and encourage to give back if they are unemployed?? Notice that the best institutions in this country are NOT federally funded. They are funded privately the bulk of which comes from ALUMNI DONATIONS. We need to think about that for a second and then think about who is funding black colleges, the bulk of which are land grant federally/state funded institutions. Then think about the public school system its history and how well that works. Then you will have the answer to your question. The bottom line is HBCUs need to be privately funded and taken out of the hands of the state, the question is how do we do that???

Moreover, our HBCU alumni are "mostly full of no names" and we don't have FOUNDATIONS and TRUSTS and GENERATIONAL monies to draw from.