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Black People : Max Julien & Black Pimp Mentality

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    MysteryDoors

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    Max Julien
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Max_Julien
    On May 11, 1983, years after its release, "The Mack" entered the non-competitive category of The Cannes Film Festival. Max Julien who starred as Goldie was dubbed "one of the most popular and important filmmakers in America" (L.A. Times), and for decades has been the subject of worldwide newspaper articles and graced the covers of major magazines including Ebony and Jet.

    The Mack is a 1973 blaxploitation film starring Max Julien and Richard Pryor.
    The movie deals with the life of John Mickens (AKA Goldie), a former drug dealer recently released from prison who becomes a big-time pimp. Standing in his way is another pimp named Pretty Tony, two corrupt white cops, a local crime lord, and even his own brother (the black nationalist), who try to force him out of the business. The main character was actually a real life former pimp and the movie contains other former pimps as well.

    The Black Pimp Mentality
    With the release and subsequent award nominations for the movie 'Hustle and Flow' renewed attention has focused on the anti-hero personage of the Black pimp. The movie, which was written and directed by Craig Brewer (a White man) has the protagonist and pimp character, played by talented actor Terrance Howard, attempting to ply slick verbalism into a successful career as a rap artist.

    The activity and symbolism of pimps and pimping, especially as it is played out in the Black ghetto streets of urban America, has attained a kind of perverse status. Yet, as has been the case for many decades, the Black pimp character and those associated with this lifestyle are also parodied and caricatured for the purpose of humor and amusement.

    For with all the ghetto lore and glorification of the urban pimp, he is often perceived by many as a clownish figure living life on the fringes and being reduced (because of White society's emasculation of him) to surviving on the fickle allegiance and whims of the urban street prostitute.

    There are extremely destructive social and psychological dynamics and nuances that are at the core of the Black pimp mystique, and which have their genesis on the slave farms and plantations of early America.

    Throughout the duration of chattel slavery, Black men who were traditionally the protectors and sustainers of Black women were regulated to the status of a non-person. They had no authority or power to fulfill their roles as providers and maintainers of their women. Any sacred and meaningful relationship with which they were involved, whether the ties of siblings, friendship, the repose between father and children, or the inviolable sanctity of marriage, were obliterated and the Black man was reduced to a empty shell of himself.
    http://www.***************/columns/shelton/vantagepoint/pimpmind.php

    What's Your Opinion On Max Julien and black pimp mentality?
     
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    Black pimp mentality is real and live .
    look at Snoop Dogg .....girls gone wild and other pimp showcases he done
    then there is the real deal of pimpin / chi very own Bishop Don "Magic" Juan

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Don_%22Magic%22_Juan

    Don "Magic" Juan (born Donald Campbell in 1950, aka The Chairman of the Board, Archbishop Don 'Magic' Juan, Bishop Magic Juan, and Bishop) is an American hip-hop artist, fashion designer, and pimp from Chicago. He is often called a "physical manifestation of a stereotype come to life".
    Juan's climb to mainstream celebrity began when he met Snoop Dogg backstage at one of his concerts. They soon became good friends, and Juan became Snoop's "spiritual advisor". He also acts as a "spiritual advisor" to this woman as seen in an episode of the documentary series Rocked with Gina Gershon. To date, Juan has not released any albums of his own, although in 2003, Snoop Dogg stated that he was working on producing Juan's first album. Juan did release a compilation album of 70's and 80's soul classics in 2006 titled, Green is for the Money, Gold is for the Honeys.
    ry series Rocked with Gina Gershon. To date, Juan has not released any albums of his own, although in 2003, Snoop Dogg stated that he was working on producing Juan's first album. Juan did release a compilation album of 70's and 80's soul classics in 2006 titled, Green is for the Money, Gold is for the Honeys.

    when Max Julien (Goldie)done this he was movie he was bringing to light the game that have been played for a very long time and telling the story of a real street pimp name FRANK D.WARD

    This stereotype dismay against women was heavy business i think he brought to light the inside track of how men who call themselves pimps betrayed women with the mind game and physical force Don Juan was a KING at the game.
     
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    The 'black pimp mentality' can also be attributable to WOMEN.

    Some WOMEN can 'pimp' even HARDER than men. They are all about the money too.

    YOU'VE shown where Richard Pryor is also in this movie. Richard Pryors MOTHER was a whore (in real life,) and His GrandMother ran the brothel.

    Oh yes. The 'flip-side' to that 'clownish' personna YOU'VE mentioned above fits a WOMAN as easily as a man.

    Wanna read good book? a true story? if YOU get the chance pick up 'Whoreson: Story of a Ghetto Pimp' by native Detroiter Donald Goines.

    YOU'LL see how WOMEN 'pimp' too.

    Btw, that is an interesting 'hisstory' lesson regarding the origins of 'pimping' from slavery.

    Though on the surface such seems 'plausible,' I seem to recall one of the most 'popular' sayings regarding 'economic's' is that 'pimping is the world's second oldest profession,' which would have taken place Long before slavery.

    Maybe pimping was just something the Brutha's fell upon after slavery out of necessity.

    Interesting post however.
     
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    I still see him on the west side green machine green fit green pimp cup etc lol!
     
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    Most people who work managing prostitutes are men, but some women work in this capacity as well, though rarely in street prostitution. Women are rarely called pimps, as the word implies male dominance - a woman who manages prostitutes is generally called a mamasan or a madam. (This should not be confused with the title of respect given to adult women in most English-speaking countries.)
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pimp

    Donald Goines From 1952 to 1955 he served in the army. During this period he got hooked on heroin. When he returned to Detroit from Japan, he was a heroin addict.

    The next 15 years from 1955 Goines spent pimping, robbing, stealing, bootlegging, and running numbers, or doing time. His seven prison sentences totaled 6,5 years. While in jail in the 1960s he first attempted to write Westerns without much success - he loved cowboy movies. A few years later, serving a different sentence at a different prison, he was introduced to the work of Iceberg Slim (Robert Beck). This time Goines wrote his semi-autobiographical novel Whoreson, which appeared in 1972. It was a story about the son of a prostitute who becomes a Detroit ghetto pimp. Also Beck's first book, Pimp: The Story of My Life (1967), was autobiographical. Goines was released in 1970, after which he wrote 16 novels with Holloway House, Iceberg Slim's publisher. Hoping to get rid of surroundings - he was back on smack - he moved with his family to the Los Angeles ghetto of Watts.
    http://www.kirjasto.sci.fi/goines.htm
     
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    True this. White women in particular such as Heidi Fleiss and those who run "Cathouses".

    In Hollywood many of these "Madams" are also known as "Stage Mom's" lol!
     
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    Why are men so quick to point out that women do bad things too. Does that make men feel vindicated? OK so a few women pimp. Now what? It's funny you had to go all the way back to Richard Pryor's grandmother and mother.... Don't forget Heidi Fliess too. I don't want y'all to leave any chick out.
     
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    Since I am the one who mentioned Heidi Fleiss I will answer your question. Because MOST Men model the behavior of the Women who raise them. I know that answer won't go over to well but as the saying goes the apple don't fall too far from the tree. The fruit cannot be separated from the seed.

    Just think of the stereotypical image of the Black pimp and essentially you get a demasculated Black man styled as a cross-dresser or transexual in drag. From the hairstyle to the jewelry to the flamboyant clothing which often can be found in thrift stores and women's boutiques.
     
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    ummm.. you're in trouble now.. ;)
     
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    Well not in trouble..but not well informed..I guess thats my que

    Sister Zulile...

    I have been sitting here watching that thread form some time today trying to decide if I would respond to it... Some of you know I was brought up in this life. Not as a participant but an observer. Yes there are those that dressed and droved flashy cars as most of you have stated in your post above. But there is a flip side to this also. There was also those that pimped very well below the radar of the law. They were and are the most successful ones..for they didn't flash at all. They treated the game as a business and diversified they treated their ladies with respect and helped them invest their earnings so that they wouldn't have to stay in the game...some of the ladies even went on to college...we called them "Pimps with Hearts". Don't get me wrong by no means were these poor pimps...just businessmen.

    Most have long sensed passed away..but just like their flashy counterparts, they handed down the wisdom they had accumulated over the years. The brothers that were able to grasp this information par-laid it into other aspects of business. One I know of is club owner in Chicago and Atlanta. Another is a investment counselor and I am sure there are more.

    My point is don't let what you see in movies and on TV decide for you how these people are....If by chance you personally know of any, talk to them and ask them questions.... You might learn something.

    Lilpea:heart:
     

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