Discussion in 'Black Spirituality / Religion - General Discussion' started by Chinelo, Mar 26, 2011.
Ive only watched about 10 minutes so far. And I love it!
But, I get the feeling he's trying to disprove Moses or something, and to me, he seems to be running in circles. In my opinion so far, he's not going to be able to do that. The only thing he is going to prove is the middle man's part of which is breeding confusion.
he compares the time of Zoser [Djoser] to Genesis 41, and what an error!
Zoser is 2600s bce and that particular chapter he uses is dated around the 1800s BC!!! That would be the time of JOSEPH and the 7 year famine. Now here's the thing with how he is going to breed confusion in trying to discount Moses and can't see the trick of the white man's involvment;
THE TIME OF ZOSER WAS A TIME OF GREAT FAMINE and is based upon records that around 2700s BC. Long time prior to this period, the Nile river area was just as lush as any jungle area, but due to the earth's tilt, the earth went through many changes, and the Nile eventually became desert land. This process went through many, many periods of DRYING, of which involves periods of great famine and then a gush of flooding...the priesthodd around the time of zoser marked this in many ways. So it doesn't disprove anything what this man is saying so far, it only supports truth.
So far all of the script he translated to back up the word Egypt, Suten meaning king, pharaoh meaning house and so much more I so agree!!!
he says the coffin text was derived from the pyramid text and the dates he showed, i agree. i think he dated 'the Book of the Dead' to be 3000 years old and 1300s bce, the coffin text 1800s bce, the pyramid text 2300s bce, and he dated 'the Book of the heavenly cow'. Then he mentioned the Papyrus of Ani.
He translated text about the river turning to blood to be around 1800s and 1600s bc and, I was happy to see the date of 1600s bc for the 18th Dynasty! But then he stresses that Moses was not even born at that time, which again, I agree. then he translates writings and compares them to the book of the Exodus...
Now here again is a problem:
Who is attributed to write the book of the EXODUS? And just where in the world was Moses educated!?
According to the Bible, Moses was educated by THE EGYPTIANS!---
He's going in circles trying to discount Moses.
Moses was educated in Egypt, because it is Egypt that had the knowledge of the ancient scripts! Therefore, it has never been denied that Moses background and education was from none other than THE EGYPTIANS! So of course the style that Moses would have written from would be exactly from THE EGYPTIANS!
But now I want to add on:
I want to go way back to before the DATED TIME of NOAH! According to this man in this blog, his earliest dates do far in regards to script goes back to 5000 years, and many people can't understand that means 5000 - 2000 = 3000 bc!!!
Therefore this man is agreeing with the Biblical script!--as well. The script that the Egyptians retained during the time of Moses goes back to much longer even before ZOSER of 2600s bc. In other words, even though it's not brought out in detail even in the Bible, the Bible still give detail in regards to script being well developed long before the 2600s bc and 3000s bc. Based on my research outside of the Bible, script had to have been well developed in the late 4000s bc. and furthermore, it was developed in Africa, south of Egypt. That is what I think. but this in no way discounts anything thus offered, it only supports both of what I've heard in this blog and the Bible.
Now, I want to go alittle farther still:
In regards to SETI, SUTEN... the origin of this name comes from THEBES and these Black Kemeti men, priest originated in the south of Egypt and according to my research, they were suppressed. They were suppressed byway of Blacks that had bonded with Asiatics and this happened at an early time in the 3000s bc. Eventually, they were deprived of script!!! And the lifetime of Noah marks a time when the Theban priesthood was on the rise again. Why? Because the Creator God helped them and they were able to become re-educated and learn the script that had by that time been made OFF LIMITS TO THEM! Now and again, after the lifetime of Noah,...it happened again! And Moses marks yet another time when Black Kemetic [NOW KNOWN AS HAMITIC] men were deprived of script!!! And the Creator God helped them again!
My point is this; you have to go back much farther than 2600 bc or even 3000s bc if you want to confirm the script. So far, all of the scripts mentioned are dated much sooner in time and it means this; THE ASIATIC INFLUENCE IS THERE! So its a waste of time to try and disprove the life of Moses and it would be more beneficial to try and decipher script.
the Book of the Dead
the book of the hevenly cow
the papyri of Ani
the coffin text
the pyramid text
and yes, EVEN THE BIBLE!!!
are all dated and written by men, authors, who lived hundreds and thousands of years after script had been well developed and also, well infiltrated by white, asiatic people who were accepted into the lands of ancient kemet/egypt by none other than black kemeti men and women! we will be going in circles if we cannot understand the dates and times when white people became apart of Black Africa.
The river turning to blood, the famines, the floods, and etc. happened off and on for hundreds of thousands of years and each time can still be confirmed based upon other facts. This does not mean that it did not happen when Moses lived. It is a geographical issue that was happening in that part of the earth for various reasons, and guess what!?--according to the Book of Revelations, IT'S GOING TO HAPPEN AGAIN!...the river turning to blood, the great floods, tsunamis, frogs coming up out of the water, and etc...as a result of natural phenomena that causes a domino affect and subsequently affects human lives...and then after than...no one can explain BLACK FRIDAY or, THE DEATH ANGEL...FRIDAY 13...but history marks it, regardless. Now that is not geographical, in my opinion, but it aligns perfectly with ECLIPSES, nonetheless.
I am so interested in what this man has to bring because he has already confirmed much of what i already know. However, i feel that we as Black people need to focus on the white influences.
MAAT is represented by the weighing of the heart and the concept of the heart being as light as a feather
without burdens or stress and the factor of emotional control
This law is found in
The Bhagavad gita
The 8 Fold Path of Bhudda
The 5 pillars of Islam
The Zend Avesta
The Pert Em Heru
The book of Proverbs
The Tao Te Ching
The Lakota recollections of Black Elk
Okay, Bro Chinelo,
I finally got the chance to listen to the rest of this blog and would like to make some comments. I think you might already know that i love this kind of research and I absolutely key in on it. It's my passion.
I’m not sure, but I think the man speaking is name, Shaka or Frostyly? The most important issue that I would like to zoom in on is what he presented in regards to Nefertiti, though. But before that, I heard him admit a little towards the end of his blog that some of the information that he drew from came from white scholars. But what he did not stress and fully admit though, was that mostly all of his information came from white people, and his conclusions came from what he has gathered from mostly White Scholars, which can be said for most anyone of us trying to get back to the truth. I don't see it as a big deal but hope that we can admit it, if it is the truth, because then I believe it will cause us to search deeper and with a much better direction of trying to sift through the White format that has deceived us so much over the course of thousands of years.
Most of these White Scholars he relys upon too, are early Colonial British people during a time when there was a great white push to discover lost cities around the time of the early 1800s ad, and this is a key point, in my opinion. Based upon my own research, there was a great movement, a push about 300 years earlier in the 1500s at the set up of the White Colonial empires and it seems as though there was a worldwide BLACKOUT on strategic ancient scripts that white people already had access to. In other words, ancient scripts had been manipulated. One major example would be that of ancient scripts of the original Greeks, original Hebrews and etc….But then in the 1800s, there came another great movement to unearth more ancient artifacts and translated other scripts, and this is what I see in this blog. Now the speaker in this blog, Frostyly, seems to be picking some points out from what is offered byway of White people to draw his conclusion, yet this is what he says about 15.50 minutes into his blog, “you cannot pick and choose what suits you…”. And this is what this speaker, Frostyly, says towards the end of this blog [paraphrasing];
About 45 minutes into his blog, he admits that he got his information about ‘slavery being nonexistent’ from UNESCO and WHS, which are White dominated organizations of people who supposedly drew this conclusion on some particular script they had translated. The speaker, Frostyly justifies his belief on what these white people say because he says, that a lot of our people believe what other people say, anyway, so this gives him the basis for also presenting this information and believing in it. And then he goes on to say that [paraphrasing] ‘We should be humble and realize when we are wrong, and that we don’t want to take another route and at the same time say we are open minded…’.
After listening to his blog, I see that he is somewhat contradicting though, especially since he is trying to give credit to Maat ‘writings’ by discrediting what he refers to as the 3 religions he mentions in his title. Now if he just worked with trying to validate the script he has received from White people on his belief in Maat, he have enough work to keep him busy for a long time, without even considering the other 3 religion basis of script. He mostly tries to give contrast to the Bible and doesn’t realize that the very same White people that brought him the script [TRANSLATED SCRIPT!] of Maat, are the same kind of White people that have influenced THE LANGUAGES that the council of King James people were made to speak and write in, but the major difference is that King James did not translate the Bible script; he had men who spoke and wrote in ancient Hebrew, and Greek sit at his table to do that. Even still, it is ‘the English language and script’ that all of these ancient scripts have been translated into whether it’s the Maat or the Bible, and that means that, in my opinion, we should not waste our time trying to give credit to the Bible script or the script of Maat, but we should just LOOK AT THE SCRIPT and determine who are the authors behind these scripts and if the ancient people are acutually Black Kemeti or not. And so, these are some of the authors this speaker has relied upon to form his confidence in the Maat, most of which are White British men and women, and I did an internet search on some of them:
A German archeologist [Leptis?],
A French man, Orientalist, A.C.T.E. Prisse
All of these previous authors wrote, translated, or are responsible for the following script that pertains to Maat!
The Papyrus of Ani, the Book of the Dead, E.A. Wallis Budge
The Legend of the Destruction of Humanity, dated around 1200 bc
Book of the Celestial Cow, Roland Mastaff
Book of the Heavenly Cow
Negative Confessions, Principles of Maat, E.A. Wallis Budge
Pert Em Heru of Nebseny, around 1400 bce; British Museum property
Coming Forth by Day, E.A. Wallis Budge
Papyrus D’Orbiney; A Tale of Two Brothers, Madame D’Orbiney [a White British woman!]
Prisse Papyrus, by French Orientialist, Achille Constant Theodore Emile Prisse
Life and death in ancient Egypt, by Sigrid Hodel-Hoenes
Daily Life of the Ancient Egyptians, by Bob Brier
Now, this speaker did quote some Black African authors, such as Herodotus, but out of the most amazing modern Black/African authors that the speaker did quote, Ivan Sertima, he actually ignored one of the most incredible points that Sertima brought forth! In other words, the speaker picked and chose what suited him! And this brings me back to Nefertiti. Although I would like to bring out many other issues the speaker brought up in his blog concerning the true Black presence of the original Egyptians being that they were indeed Black, the most revealing is about Nefertiti, because her presence becomes a turning point in time. And even though Sertima kind of reminds me of Solomon, due to his marriage to a White woman, he does not shy away from bringing out the facts about Nefertiti. Although this speaker completely omits this in his argument and in this blog, he brings up Black authors like Sertima, Dr. Ben but he completely ignores the fact that Sertima offers much information revealing that Nefertiti was a WHITE WOMAN!
About 15.50 minutes into his blog, he shows an image of Nefertiti and Akhenaten and in the middle is the sun disk. The speaker tries to discredit the Bible based upon particular scriptures that he has picked out and contrast this to the ‘Aten’. He quotes what he says is Psalms 84:11 of which he has misunderstood its meaning. The scripture he writes is “the Lord God is a sun and shield”, and fails to recognize that is ‘a metaphor’, a common form of writing used many times in prose! But now, I will share some research that concerns more wonderful history about Egypt and its deeper roots that the speaker cannot see due to his efforts to discredit the Black presence in the Bible. This might help to show how it is a waste of time to try and discredit the existence of Abraham, Solomon, and the Hebrew Israelites in general and do the work of White Supremacist. The question should be, ‘If the ancient people in question are written down to be Black, African, Hamitic, Kemetic, nappy headed…and cannot be disproved on this merit, then why waste time trying to discredit this kind of history, or legends or etc., when it can only support any Black presence?’ There is no where in the Bible that defines the original Hebrew Israelites as being, White or Indo-European or Asiatic:
--The speaker, Frostly showed the image of ‘the aten’ about 15.50 minutes into his blog and tries to discredit the Bible by showing a scripture with reference to the sun. But here is what he is missing; the image of THE ATEN has a serpent at the base of its disk, and also radiating from it are a number of arms with hands at the end of it. This is not ‘sun worship’ but it is ‘serpent worship’! This is a very deceptive religion that was trying to be forced on the original people in Egypt. Now this strange religion was attempting to superimpose itself on top of a much more ancient ‘adoration’ of ‘the Creator of the Sun’, RA, of which the original people honored. There is a distinct difference between ‘worshiping the sun as being god’, ‘worshiping the serpent being superimposed in a more ancient belief with regards to the sun’, and  ‘adoring the Creator of the sun and the riches the sun brought forth’! The ancient original people of Kemet did not worship the sun or the serpent god, based on my research, but Sun Worship and Serpent Worship are both a foreign idea brought into their lands and they may have become confused. Their words, ‘Ra’, ‘Re’, ‘On’ and etc. are words that define a distinct belief but the Aten was a foreign idea brought to them from the White Greeks of MYCENAE, Mitanni…and ATHENS, hence,‘Aten’. and Nefertiti was just one of a number of white women that mark this foreign intrusion that happened during the time of the 18th Dynasty. And Sertima brings this out! But the speaker completely ignores this and many other facts because he has picked and chosen what suits him. And, The Tale of Two Brothers is another amazing example;
--This Tale of Two Brothers came from a papyrus that was handed over to the British Museum by a White British woman, and it was during the 1800s ad, and according to the reference, there are some sharp discrepancies that concerns the papyrus in which British scholars used to translate this tale or legend. No matter, the speaker of this blog uses this legend to try and discredit the presence of the Hebrew Israelites! Research shows that around this time that this Madame D’Orbiney came to have this papyrus script [D'Orbiney Papyrus, named after her] in her hand, there were so many other white people in this new movement going into Egypt to look for priceless possessions to exploit. Like he mentioned, Volney and Champollion made their fame around this same time. And this was the time of the infamous Napoleon who went over to Egypt to look at the Sphinx. From what I can remember, it was Champollion of whom was one of the major reasons for the French Revolution, and he used the Bible to reset time based upon Noah’s flood of which he proved to be scientifically true, and the priest chose to suppress his findings concerning that and certain issues about the Rosetta Stone and etc. in Egypt. In other words, some White scholars were digging up prove of ancient Black presence in the Bible, in Egypt and elsewhere, while other White scholars and religious orders where fighting against them to suppress it and hide it from the Black presence in the world.
This archeological rage went on until they dug up King Tut in 1922 and beyond due to the new Age of Technology that gave rise to machines, tools, engines and etc. and allowed them to go deeper into the earth, tombs and obtain ancient artifacts. But the problem arose when the top government tried to suppress Black history, therefore, what the speaker is not realizing is that he needs to look deeper into the authors and translators of what he is holding dear to be authentic concerning the Maat,…because its not authentic, based upon the very words of the very White authors his is getting his material from! In one reference about THE BOOK OF THE HEAVENLY COW, it is admitted that the flood of the Red Sea and other issues were documented and written in the glyphs in the tomb of King Tut but it was deliberately omitted, and that the story was fully written out later and in the tomb walls of certain kings of the next dynasty, the Rameses!!! They admitted this. The images the Frostyly shows of Africans with ‘red ochre’ and hair styles that depict the 18th dynasty crowns and etc, show much more too…about the influence of White people that the 18th Dynasty and other Egyptians imposed upon the original people…and this is not brought out by the speaker. He’s not going far enough back in time to get at the origin of white, Asiatic presence in ancient Egypt. He mentions Dr. Ben but ignores even his research on this very issue. He mentions Diop and James Brunson, but does not take it back to before 3000 bc like Dr. Ben at least does, even in regards to the ‘red ochre’. That red theme that has become prevalent in Black Africa is not a myth, but it was brought in byway of the Eguptans, the original Egyptians from India, the Red Gomers…yes, it’s symbolism but it stems from an obsession with a Color Caste system of which caused Black Africans to suppress each other on this basis. Rameses II was said to have ‘red hair’ and all of this ties into the Black African obsession with Black Africans that just happened to be born with some kind of trait, whether it was red hair, or reddish complexion or etc…it comes form an eastern influence htat goes way back in time based on my research…and I should know because ‘yours truly was born with ‘red hair’ and heard this crap when I was growing up…’ So when I saw the movie, Hotel Rwanda, I recognize how the Tutsi people seem to become linked with this issue. It is probably not noticed by us over her in the States, but i recognized one of the little girls and that she had 'red hair' and i understand how like the Tutsi man shown in this blog, the genetic trait that some of us Black Africans have regarding the Asiatic trait of the 'high nose' that was so elevated amongst the Black Egyptians...because it's apart of my a few of my own relatives...
Concerning the plagiarism that the speaker tries to validate during the time of David, he chooses one out of more than a hundred or so Psalms, but he ignores the fact that David had no problem with trying to bond with a White, strange women in all of his Psalms and other writings. Why try and discredit him then, as a Black man? It makes no sense at all. The speaker attempts to discredit Solomon but fails to recognize that the Bible specifically states that Solomon bonded with the daughter of a pharaoh and he was later judged because he put white women at the same level with his Black Kemeti queen! Why try and discredit this kind of history? It makes no sense at all. The Bible specifically states the Hebrews were not blessed to bond with the Egyptians until after the third generations and by this time when Solomon bonded with the daughter of pharaoh, the Rameses were gone. The Rameses were not much different than the 18th Dynasty kings they replaced because they too elevated foreign women above their Nubian queens, and this was why the Creator God forbade the Hebrews to bond with them. By the time of Solomon, it was the third/fourth generations since the Exodus, and the Theban priesthood was again strong in Eygypt. The speaker in this blog is totally ignoring this and the many images of White Asiatic women that I saw in this very blog concering ancient Egyptian depictions. His information he gives about the first trinity is also debauched., but he’s too busy trying to discount the Black presence in the Bible to see it.
The names he gives Heru, Osiris and Aset, has no date attached to what he offers, and this presents confusion. It does not define an early time in history in which later, there arose two sets of ‘triads’ that reveals there was a terrible struggle between the North and the South in ancient Egypt. Long before the names he offers, there were earlier names before the name ‘Osiris’ became common in the 5th Dynasty, based on my research. There are some serious mistranslations and contradictions because some Black men want to ignore the very obvious, that the ancient Black kings had problems with White women of which they placed above their own Black women kind! Their idols are the very same idols of the White British and the Arabs! These Black men idolize Nefertiti and so do the Whites and Arabs…because she was a white woman. Something is wrong here. They are ignoring the obvious even when a Black African American scholar is telling the otherwise and showing them the very script…They are not even trying to refute Setima, they are just totally ignoring that part, as if it’s going to be okay. The presence of Nerfertiti is a turning point, but she is by far, not the first white woman elevated in Kemet…More than a thousand years before she came along, there were many others…so says the ancient script in both the Bible and secular script that concerns the Maat … that is being conveniently ignored. The very last thing that Frostyly says of which I so agree is that [paraphrasing] ‘There are many who are lying to our people…we don’t need lies to get by, we need to face the truth…hotep’. I believe, like he said too, that we need to be open minded. I also believe that if it can be proven without a doubt, that certain ancient people are indeed Black African, Kemet, …then it will only help Black Unity, it will not hurt it. I think the speaker brought out one Volney who said that the Coptics who are now nothing but slaves came from a mixture of an alliance between genius Egyptians and brilliant Greeks is revealing too, that not only were the original Egyptians Black, but so were the ancient Greeks he is referring to, and this point has been so refuted by many our own kind because we have been so deceived about the presence of the Original Greeks and how they did bond with the Egyptians and etc.
I recommend some works (if you don't have'em):
Massey's 6 vol works on egypt: "book of beginnings" "light of the world" and
"the natural genesis"
Higgin's "anacalypsis" (2 vols)
Bare in mind that some white scholars were deemed radical, because
their research flew in the face of the 'status quo' who not only rejected
the notion that afrikans did anything of historic value much less anything
older than 6100 years old. Those writers were not "afrikan centrists", and did not
create those works to give afrikans some 'feel good' feeling. Afrikans. During the time
of their works, afrikans did not pay those white scholars to write 'in their favor', if you will and
were too busy in conflict with the european to even bother with it of any great consequence.
They went where their research has taken them and was typically shared predominantly with
the so call white "intelligentsia". These writings were later picked up by black scholars (which
wasn't suppose to happened, 'right'?), which started the black scholars in motion, which brought
us the likes of schombergh, leo hansberry onto clarke, ben, chancellor williams, diop etc.
Houston's "wonderful ethiopians and the k u s h i t e empire"
Hillard's "the teachings of phahhotep: the world's oldest book"
MAAT is like the brain or ones sex organ
regardless of what one know about it rheoricly, or historicly
one must use it or lose it
The Kemetic metaphysics was/is a science of action and flow
Separate names with a comma.