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Black Spirituality Religion : Joseph, Egypt, and the Hyksos

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    The timeline is all messed up. The Jews were supposed to be slaves for 400 years to the Egyptians durning some of this time. This can't be true if the hykoss are jews. Mantheo way back in 300Bc called the Hyksos Arabs.
     
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    ...the Hebrews were in Egypt for 430 years....of this time they, were only slave for about have the time (not 400)....
     
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    Where did you get that from? No one said the hyksos were jews...the essay is saying that the Hyksos were ruling Egypt when Joseph went there....it is saying that Joseph interperted the dream for a Hyksos king, and not an Egyptian one....
     
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    People must be VERY careful when studying this issue. If we look at the records of Ahmose and practically every Pharaoh of the 18th Dynastic period, we see that they bitter hatered towards the Hyksos was real. Clear mentions of the Hyksos enslaving people, murdering children etc.

    When in Lower Kemet - u notice that there are almost no temples in tact. But when in Upper Kemet - they are all in tact. The Hyksos ruled in Lower Kemet.

    We also see that far back - that Neferti predicted that a Nubian would help Kemet defend against in the Hyksos. We also see in tombs dating back to the 19th dynastic period and earlier - of the Kemetic people letting foreigners in to eat and sleep.

    If u were letting these people in to feed them - why on earth would they turn around and take over the country? Evil and greed is the word.

    "A big advantage in combat was their introduction of horses (a new animal to theEgyptians), previously unknown elements in the Egyptian army and they also introduced improved weapons"

    Completely incorrect. If we look inside of the Step Pyramid of Imhotep - we see a chariot clearly pictures inside. We also see Chariots on rock art in Nubia. I have pics of both.

    This site was created by a white person trying to front like he cares about us.

    If he is equating Joseph with Hyksos, that means that he is admitted to Hyksos slavery, Hyksos Idol Worship and a Hyksos representing the EXODUS.

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    If Joseph existed, it should be pointed out that Joseph most likely did not live in Kemet until after the Hyksos era. This is evident in these 2 verses...

    So they served him by himself, and them by themselves, and the Egyptians who ate with him by themselves, because the Egyptians could not eat bread with the Hebrews, for that is loathsome to the Egyptians. ~Genesis 43:32


    you shall say, 'Your servants have been keepers of livestock from our youth even until now, both we and our fathers,' that you may live in the land of Goshen; for every shepherd is loathsome to the Egyptians." ~Genesis 46:34

    It is highly doubtful that the rulers would detest shepherds, when the Hyksos themselves were a confederation of West Asian Semitic tribes who were indeed shepherds. This must have been after the Hyksos era, because subsequent Kemetic writing in the 18th Dynasty attests to their extreme dislike of shepherds.

    Another thing to consider is the fact that the Pharaoh gave Joseph the name "Zaph-e-nath-paneah" (Genesis 41:45). What's important here is the first part "zaph". When transliterated into the Kemetic language, it becomes "seph". This was a common Kemetic name of the time, which had many different meanings. I cannot see the Hyksos, a foreign occupier, giving someone a Kemetic name. It just doesn't add up.

    Therefore, it makes most sense that Joseph lived and interpreted the dreams of an Egyptian ruler, and not the Hyksos.
     
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    I found this interesting but we should do a collective and group study of the War Chariot because that would tell the true story. In all that I have seen I personally began to suspect the Hyksos to have been Africans of the Garamantes Empire found in Libya.

    Why do I now suspect this?

    I suspect this because I personally can not find any antiquates showing the usage of the War Chariot North-East or East of Egypt during or before 1720BC. The closes I find a Chariot dating this far back is China.

    But when I do the same study or searching for War Chariot usage West of Egypt I immediately run into a great kingdom that was called the Garamantes Empire that centered around the Fezzan of Libya. The people of the kingdom were actually called “The People of the Chariots”. There Chariots are described as being light weight, having room for only one rider and being pulled by 4 horses. The Garamantes Empire dating is unknown but some of their ruins are setup for water workings and irrigation, which would place the kingdom as existing when the Libyan deserts had water, thus it would pre-date the Ice Age.

    I began to think that the white man is lying about the Hyksos in an effort to make it appear as if technologies such as the War Chariot came from their area of origin. They constantly try to do the same thing with the written language and other ancient cultural advancements.

    A study of this is difficult for one man, so I would like to put it to all that are interested to find for me ancient antiquities dating back before 1720BC that shows and proves the usage of the War Chariots located North-East or East of Egypt. Finding this information will substantiate mainstream media belief that Chariot Technologies came from the white man.

    However I am personally having a difficult time substantiating their claim.
     
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    You should have difficulty with it because it is a lie. I will come back later for this, but in Dr. Yosef ben-Yochannan's work We the Black Jews, he briefly details how chariots were used by the Ku****es and/or Nubians before the Hyksos era and they were rendered in Mtw Ntr in Egypt. I will get the source and perhaps even a picture of the Black Africans riding chariots.
     
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