I see this is going to be another case of me feeling like I fell asleep and woke up in a different galaxy. European cultures have historically never integrated science and philosophy as is common elsewhere. Cultures which do not derive from European ones are less inclined to enforce separation for, truth, the One God is wholly consistent with science. I was originally going to entitle a thread in this forum as God, Computers, and Math. That got postponed when I received email making me aware of the God Within video. Okay, as remarkable as it seems in the year 2012, apparently there are Americans who have never heard of Steven Hawking. He is a white guy, so I guess that renders him insignificant to some. However I have no doubt that SlickBeast has heard of him. Hawking has essentially worn Einstein's mantle in this generation. But, again, he is a white guy and we all know how inferior, oops I mean non-dominant, those people are due to their calcified pineal glands ... Steven Hawking speaks the language of math. Indeed, the language of science is math, particularly calculus. Computers fit in because I assume I am not the only computer programmer here and all programmers know that computers deal with math, specifically binary math. Scientist/programmers use computers to handle the deep math involved in building models of our universe. As I told a friend once who asked me what you do with computer programs I told him anything. Well, that is where God fits in. Anything infers both omnipotence and omniscience --- two of three attributes all philosophies associate with God. And one cannot speak of our universe [ a noun which includes all that is] without brushing up against the third attribute of God --- Omnipresence. Surely, I cannot be the only member of Destee who has recognized these things. So, why all the unease about a thread in a Computers thread which dares to mention the white elephant in the room?