just agree to dis agree..... you believe that black people have a character defect. i do not. black people had stable civilizations that lasted for a very long time prior to being contaminated by the devils. this would argue against some intrinsic self destructiveness among black people to me. we have only been "self destructive" since encountering white people. co incidence? we will just agree to dis agree.
Very good question BlackEmpress... First of all I would like to say this post has generated some interesting conversation. Know back to the question. The answer too Blackempress question is. Yes we have been raising Blackmen who have not been able to properly identify and critically analyze our historical, political, economic, and psychological reality. And come up with and adequate plan to re-socialize ourselves. This is not because we lack the moral character. Are because of single mothers raising our sons. Again these are just symptoms of a much bigger problem. Even when we had more two parent homes. Blackmen were not being raised appropiately. Why do I say that.. Easy just look at the consequences that we faced. To a good extent the symptoms that we are talking about today in the black family. Is just the continued legacy of our inability to confront the harsh reality of how the world operates in it's relationship to black people. Yes. We have chosen as a whole to completely ignore the cultural, economic, and political intentions of other people. In reference to what they want and need from us. We have chosen to do this for the sake of maintaining social relationships with other groups under the banner of multi-cultralism and love for all people. Choosing to accept the token friendship of groups without closely examinizing their cultural intentions has been one of our most tragic mistakes. Ladies and gentleman what do you think our history is for? Our ancestors did not survive so we could continue the same traditions that left them vunerable. They survived for a good extent. So that we could have the history in front of us. And would not make the same mistakes that they made again. The real problem with Blackmen is that we have not collectively decided want our own cultural, political, economic and psychological intentions in this world should be. And to be honest with you. A large part of this has to do with the fact that alot of our people do not want to truly discuss this. Out of the fear that we will upset and therefore damage the social relationships we have with these other groups. Blackmen are not becoming the type of men we need to have to solve our own problems. Because we have not developed the correct dialogue and curriculum that would begin to create the type of cultural and political experience that would begin to transform the minds of our people. Our men must be made aware of the intentions that other men have for our people. This is the only way we will effectively come up with solutions to truly solve our problems. If we continue to choose to ignore this reality for the sake having social relationships with others. We will continue to suffer from the ills we are speaking about today. Know what do I mean be that. If we do not correctly define the intentions of other men against us. How will we be able to develop the correct intentions for our people to solve our own problems and protect our own interest. Right know we have not realistically defined the intent of Whites, Arabs, Jews, and Asians in relationship to us on a global level. So in affect we cannot properly define our own intentions in this world. Men must be trained within a cultural, political and social situation that motivates and conditions them to act and relate to one another in ways that not only advances the interest of the people. But secures the survival of that group. These type of social interactions have been severely damaged within the our history. And have been replaced with a alien substitute. Which has been designed for the self interest of the aliens. And example of this is the fact that we have alot of our people who actually feel quilty and racist and morally wrong when confronted with the idea of making a conscious choice to spend money in ways that would support and uplift black business. They become physically and psychologically uncomfortable when they are confronted with this notion. Why? Because to a good extent they do not want to face the ideal that this would upset the aliens that are in their community. Who by the way have no issue with not spending one red cent in any black business.
I do not believe that Black people have a character defect. I know many many Black people with exceptional character, therefore it is obvious to me that there is no character defect that effect Black people as a collective people. I am not sure why you would suggest that I believe such a thing. Good character must be INSTILLED in a person. All people, regardless of race, are fully capable of poor character, especially in the absence of training and guidance from positive influences such as supportive parents. I respect your willingness to agree to dissagree, but IMO, you are not dealing with my points in a straight forward manner. You are trying to fit my points into a pre-concieved box..i.e. "anyone who think individual Blacks can decide to do "right" or choose to live constructive lives MUST believe Blacks have a character defect". This is not my position. I have not stated this nor anything that would give you that impression, yet you have choosen to force fit my position into a box it does not fit. I respect your defense of the Black image and reputation. I get that. The next step of this defense is offensive measures against destruction from both internal and external sources. Would you agree that if the sole source of our problems is White supremacy, we are completely dependent upon total annihalation of white supremacy in order to stop our self destructive behavior? I think we are fully capable of stopping our self-destructive behavior even in the presence of white supremacy, if we confront it straight forward and honestly. This demonstrates strength, not a character defect.
i am not a christian....i do not believe in original sin now you contradict your own self. if black people must have good character put into them by outside forces, then they have a character defect. you believe that black people, as a group, have a character defect. i do not. as i said, black people had stable civilizations for many years before they met white people. how could self destructive people do that? black people invented civilization. how could self destructive people do that? if i come in contact with the flu virus i may catch the flu. if i catch the flu i have to make enough anti bodies to kill the flu virus or i will die. this does not mean that i am self destructive. i am infected with a pathogen. the course of action is to kill that pathogen. if i can kill the pathogen and develop resistance, my person will be just fine. white people are a deadly virus. we need to get that virus out of our system and then we will be just fine.
I did not say anything about Christianity. Where did that come from??? I did not differentiate Black people as being in need of good character put into them, I said: Good character must be INSTILLED in a person. All people, regardless of race, are fully capable of poor character, especially in the absence of training and guidance from positive influences such as supportive parents. If you had said that I said "all people must have good character instilled in them by their parents" you would have made an accurate protrayal of my statement. Unfortunately, in this case, you have twisted my statement to make it fit into your preconcieved box that it does not fit into in its original form. What is your motive for doing this?????? I would truely appreciate it if you would address my statements as I make them, not how you recreate them. By changing and twisting a few words you have created a contradiction that does not exist in its original form. If you consider the need for good character to be instilled in a person by their parents as a character defect (I don't), then you must read my statement to mean that the entire world has a character defect. That is like saying that the need to teach children to read and write is a learning dissability. You would twist it like this: "now you contradict your own self. if black people must have the ability to read and write put into them by outside forces, then they have a learning defect" So please, for the sake of progress, stop opposing positions and ideologies that I didn't say or even believe.