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Black Relationships : black women/white men

Discussion in 'Black Relationships' started by anna, Jun 18, 2004.

  1. Ikoro

    Ikoro Well-Known Member MEMBER

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    HyperKill is on point, there's a reason for all the mixed children in the United Snakes.

    Imagine a Sister during slavery days, terrified to the point of insanity, going willingly to bed with a White Male because he was nicer (see: less EVIL/MALEVOLENT than the rest) :confused:

    Oh, our people have suffered.

    One,

    - Ikoro
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    Blaklioness Well-Known Member MEMBER

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    How do we equate enslaved with "willing"? How does that add up? The general populace was much darker right out of slavery than it is now....how do you explain that? The 'mixed kids' fad as we know it in this society is more recent than historical. Any explanations for that? I always maintain....if you are a Black person (female or male) who cares about the race, the best thing to do is tune out those who don't.
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    Ikoro Well-Known Member MEMBER

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    Caring about race can hardly be considered important. Race is a social construct that white people have been milking for their own benefit.

    You want to care about something, care about the oppression of darker peoples by whites. That isn't race, that's power structures or racism (or as they call it now: ethnic discrimination).

    Claiming race would be a fickle as claiming the Igbo's to be one race and the Jamaicans to be another. See, it doesn't make sense. It certainly is alluring to think of Afrilkans as another, and oft superior, race. But I'm not certain I like the destination that notion is heading.

    And you (Blaklioness) say that
    What about the one-drop theory, is that recent to you? How about darker skinned people being in the lowest caste in India, that isn't historical? Geisha's in Japan?

    Mans fascination of other peoples and the offspring that result from intermingling can hardly be called recent, don't you agree? After all, Afrikans went to 'Amerikkka' and intermingled with First Nations peoples ('Native Americans') - was that because they were fascinated with race? I submit that it was not.

    I suggest we all tune out race, as it becomes an avenue for the superego to meet its demise.

    We can focus on color, which is absolutely real - and that we are racialized beings. But race is a white construct, like giving every plant a new name they put us all into a different genus. It's just not normal. We have different characteristics, so what?

    And Blaklioness, you say that we cannot explain 'slavery' and 'willing' - don't play yourself fam. Many Sisters saw an opportunity and went for it - that meant less pain or more benefits. A white lollipop in their mouth was hardly worse than a whip for some Sister born into slavery. Don't think that people never forsook dignity and self-respect, those things rarely matter to some people when they are terrorized and trying to survive.

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    - Ikoro
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    Blaklioness Well-Known Member MEMBER

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    1. You CANNOT have racism without race.
    2. You can't even see your own inconsistencies in your theory. What does the fact that they were trying to avoid pain MEAN????
    3. Technically, the one-drop theory means nothing to me because I don't buy into it. I didn't mean that mixed kids didn't show up back in the day, but there wasn't enough of them to cause the lightening most attribute to slave rape; the general Black populace was indeed darker even after slavery than now. The mixed kids you see now are being pushed due to the white/light 'supremacy' agenda against the Black gene, and they most certainly are NOT the result of rape---of the 'black' males or females helping WILLINGLY to bring them here.
    4. I'll say again: THOSE BLACK PEOPLE WHO WISH TO SEE THE RACE CONTINUE AND FLOURISH WILL DO SO ONLY TO THE EXTENT WE AVOID THE INFLUENCE OF THOSE WHO DO NOT.
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    Black men really got no right to be angry at sisters dating white men. You all were the ones who went on some erroneous logic that dating, sexing, and mating with white women would get back at and anger white men. AND YOU LOVED IT!

    You got the white women to freak you every way including side ways on the chandelier, angering an already insecure pink-penis because of his inability to be massively DARK and HUNG.

    And then whatever a mixed child is... well they certainly aren't white and that angered white men too. They can only have white babies with white women, and they know that when white women are caught on black men, they usually stay that way. That means less white women breedin white babies (and less white kids to pass their social-economic power and clout to).

    But to black women.... you screwed them one of a couple of ways.

    First you told them (and blamed them) that the crux of the black family rested on their backs, and sleeping with the slave master's descenders eroded the black family. You told black women that the white man was using them - screwing them and leaving them because a white man would never 'lower himself' by marrying a black woman; and that their sleeping with white men did nothing to scare, anger, or intimidate white men like it did when black men slept with white women.

    And black women, believing in this stuff told to them by black men about carrying the black family on their backs, that the white men used them for sex and wouldn't 'legitimize' them through marriage, and that they were de-emphasizing the struggle by sleeping with white men ..... watch not-so-silently while black men dated, married, and procreated with the same white women who lied on them in the past and them got beat, lynched, and castrated by white men. Black women were the ones who cried and agonized over their lost husbands, sons, and fathers that lost their balls, their dignity, and their lives to white men over white women's lies.

    Not.... white.... women.

    They shedded narry a tear, if any.

    And then there were white women - seething and snarking into the black women's faces, hoping to anger them... 'HEY, I GOT ONE OF YOUR MEN! HE DIDN'T WANT YOU! HE LIKES WHITE MEAT! HE THINKS I'M BETTA THAN YOU! YOU AIN'T NUTHIN! YOU COULDN'T EVEN KEEP YOUR OWN MAN! YOU COULDN'T MAKE HIM HAPPY! YOU'RE A LOUD MOUTH ANGRY B... AND I'M SO MUCH MORE, SO MUCH BETTA THAN YOU!'

    Yah, right. If black women woulda set back and chilled, they would know this was bull and the cry of some insecure white women hopin to be like them, the original godesses of this earth... and white women were hoping their dalliances with black men would legitimize them to that point... living vicariously though their mixed-raced offspring.

    But nope, that didn't settle a sistas mind. Not only were we seeing black men laying with white women talking how it helped fight against racism by angering and intimidating the white men; and not only were white women snarking in black women's faces about them being better than black women and that's why black men were abandoning black women for white women...

    but the brothas never really said anything about white women saying all that crap about black women. They didn't protect our honor and dignity against that profane blasphemy. Seems like you forgot to tell the white women you were sleeping with 'hey shuga, I'm sexin you to make the white man angry. I'm not really that into you, I'm into sistas.' Nah, seems to me like yall got STRUNG OUT on white women and forgot you were suppose to be on a mission of fighting racism through sex and miscegenation.

    And now you wanna tell me who not to sleep with, why, and how?

    Yah. riiiiight. GTFOOH! :rolleyes:

    Ain't nuthin but a game, and some these sisas are seriously HOOKED on the game being played by black men - this whole issue of putting him at the head of household crap, coddling his deficiencies and inefficiencies, sublimating and repressing their sexuality, fighting with other black women over the perceived lack of black men. Black men are railing against bw and wm but what are their answers to the every increasing scenario of them with white and non-black women? Nothing really, but to put us down... and say that we are deficient in our ways, behavior and demeanor.

    I'm am my own woman.... and I ain't buyin it.
    You do whatchu do... cause I'm certainly gonna do what I do.

    Yes, they were, if not literally, then figuratively - in her heart... was where she was screaming out.

    What you perceived as a black women's desire to sleep with the master was one of survival. Survival for herself, survival for her children, survival for you, her black man. Yes, you may have lost some of your manhood and masculinity for your woman sleepin with massa... but on her mind was stopping her children from being sold. Stopping her man from being lynched, killed, or sold away. Trying to get better food for her children. Struggling to survive for everyone, including herself. So if she traded sex for 'favors' with the massa... who are you to judge that? Do you ANY idea what a woman had to through back then?

    No you don't. I guess she shoulda left her legs closed, got beat, sold, and died... and allow the same thing to happen to her black man and her children. Maybe you think that would be betta as she would have retained some dignity in the matter :rolleyes:


    Don't scapegoat feminism. You have no idea what it is and what it means. Again, this is some bull for the black man to maintain control over the black women and her sexuality. And unscrupulous black women fall for it every friggin day.

    White feminism started because white men abused their whites wives and took advantage of them... and that included exalting white women on a pedestal while deeming them too good for sex or even to nurse their own children, while they took to the slave cottages and raped and had sex with black women. Clearly white men had a virgin/whore complex going on with regards to women - white females were the 'virgins' they married to legitimize their children and black women were the 'whores' they used, abused, and got their rocks off with. I'm sure this did not make any white woman happy, and she often took her anger out on black women slaves. Then white women couldn't own property (including slaves) and were passed off almost like chattel from their father's hand to their husband's. They didn't have the right to vote so white men had exacting authority over EVERYONE. This led white women to suffrage then to women's rights then to feminism to the so-called sexual revolution (or somewhere in that order). I don't thin the sexual revolution caught on with many black women or households but the right to vote, own property and speak on behalf of themselves did - hence black feminism (or 'womanism') - black women fighting for equal rights and against RACISM and SEXISM. White women only wanted to fight on behalf of sexism because racism didn't affect them. Black men only wanted to fight on behalf of racism because sexism didn't affect them (or so they thought). But for BLACK WOMAN, both affected them.


    No, they don't. Fairy tales had white people in it them and many black women were not afforded the luxury of believing in fairy tales because they were working, struggling, fighting, tired. If they wanted a night, it was a black one on a black horse - the one often deemed as the 'bad guy' in fairy tales. But most just wanted a hard-working black man who loved, cared for, and took care of his family. No 'great steed' (horse) required.


    :huh: Loyalty to who? And why?


    **yawn** come off it.


    No, I'd say crap thinking like the one you're espousing here decimated it. Let me think about this. White male slave owners RAPED black women... black man gets mad... and decides to retaliate on.... who?.... the black woman. And they still do this when the system of institutional racism seeks to make a fool out of him. The least you could do is say the white men and white women are the cause of decimated relationship between black men and women (because they are), and that black men and women may perpetuate that demise.... but don't blame it all black women. It's not true.


    And her own benefits was YOU! Her KIDS! Her LIFE! Her SURVIVAL! Do you not think that is worth sleeping with monsters for?

    Are you familiar with the word coercion? It means that I don't have to force someone to do something by physical force or an arsenal of arms. I could blackmail them into doing it so that they look as if they are voluntarily doing it.


    :rolleyes: Incredulous.
    Again... I'm a feminist... and proud of that fact. I do not 'promote' or advocate interracial relationships, but I do promote finding love wherever it suits you and wherever you find it. I don't like white folks, but if you find a good one (and I believe there are some) and he or she fits your personality and type... then do whatever you do.

    Nor am I proud of the history of slavery, jim crow, the middle passage, or the raping and pillage of Afrika by whites and colonialism/neocolonialism. And I'm sure that the black women who do advocate and promote IR's aren't proud of this either. What they are SAYING is 'hey... don't be afraid to date the white man because of history's past. The BROTHAS certainly aren't afraid to date and marry white women because of history's past... even tho the white women LIED got them LYNCHED, BEAT, BURNED, CASTIGATED, AND CASTRATED! So why should they make black women feel guilty about dating the white man? Don't feel guilty, they are worthy and datable just like the black man.'

    And for that... I gotta agree. You are trying to oppress black women by telling them who to date or not to date based on history... when you conveniently forget history in your efforts to date white women.


    Oh excellent :rolleyes: You conveniently have access to a computer, sit at one to type this bull, and yet you can't provide any links to that of which you speak? Instead, you want us to do your work?

    Oh what the heck. Here are a few, and YOU, HYPERKILL, need to read them.

    Slave Narratives of Old Black Folks

    The Reality of Enslaved Female Africans in America

    During Slavery, Did white women have Sex with Black Slave Men?

    Is Master-Sex Slave a Myth?

    Women in Resistance

    I perused all the links before posting so I'm sure they can give you different argument than what you are presenting here.


    I googled 'Sex with the Slave Master' and got pornographic stuff. So that's what you been reading.... :rolleyes:

    Surprise...... THOSE ARE WHITE MALE AND FEMALE FANTASIES, NOT REAL STORIES OF SLAVERY BY ENSLAVED BLACK FOLKS!

    Also, on the subject of sex slaves - I suggest you check out the sites that talk about the intercontinental slave trade, and how people participate in the selling and trafficking of slaves from America (often young girls), Russia, Southern Europe, Africa, and Asia. Then tell me how much fun it is to sold as a sex slave and have fun with these new type of neo-slave masters.

    Here's one of many
    From Latvia - A Sex Slave Tells Her Story

    General info
    Sexual Slavery - Wikipedia

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