Jails / Prisons : Black Men and Prison - Fleece Johnson - Can a Homosexual be Made?

I don't get the same impression of this Brother, that you do. I see him as a Brother, like any other, caught deeper in the traps and snares than most.

I do agree that a straight man would probably find homosexual acts disgusting and sick, but many a straight man are faced with the prospect of having to engage in such. If they are one of the unfortunate ones, forced to submit, humiliation is no doubt present.

A debilitating humiliation for a man, i'd imagine. One that they would carry inside themselves like a cancer, eating away at them, as they embark upon their newfound freedom out of prison ... creating relationships with women, creating children, raising them ... all with this overwhelming psychological devastation on their entire being, simmering right under the surface.

No, they probably don't jump up and down screaming for their next homosexual experience, but they are much more inclined to take part in more, as a direct result of taking part at all (the first time). In addition, it's been said, the abused becomes the abuser ... and well ... if one is raped, be it man or woman, it's abuse and has long term, invasive, psychological effects ... often for a lifetime.

For women, the abuse is often met with kind consideration, offers of therapy, etc. ... a Black Man coming from prison, gets nothing, but the humiliation you spoke of.

This is fast becoming the end for many Black Men ... prison ... and while you have escaped it, you must hope your children and grandchildren fare as well.

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Destee

I agree with everything you said with the exception of Fleece Johnson's Character. I think Antione nailed his character without even knowing it. Just my opinion.

The rest of your post is IMO, very much on point.

As for my children and grandchildren....I think the trap of prison is one of the easiest traps in the world to avoid. If my children embrace the teachings that I work to instill in them (Love of God, love of family, love of community, accountability, self-responsibility, strong work ethic, value education, and self-respect) they will have no problems staying out of that trap.

I will show them this video when I get home....just in case.

Don't take this to mean I don't have empathy for those who find themselves in this trap, but until we embrace the character traits I mentioned and stop sitting around blaming the White man for our walking into his trap although we clearly see the trap, MANY, MANY more will walk into this trap with their eyes WIDE OPEN...blaming the White man all the way.
 
The weaker men that get raped in prison, are they homosexual after the rape, or are they still straight?

Is the one doing the raping, or buying sex, engaging in homosexual acts in prison ... are they homosexual?

How can you say they usually don't have inclinations once they get out? What are you using to determine another person's inclination?

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Destee
No disrespect but if you have volunteered work with enough churches and community outreach programs that have folks that you know for a 5 to 10 year period who have done outreach in Ossening, and Rikers Island, and have spoken to over 40 Black folks in ones neighborhood and job over a 18 year period,
who have had friends and family in the lockup as spocken to those one has known in the lockup ,then one goes by that,


are they lieing?

are there folks pretending to have changed their lives, gone to church, gotten jobs regained their estranged relationships and children and become good husbands fathers and providers

but sneak out to "play with men" some where in between working 2 jobs to take care of their families, and counseling sessions

I don't know

but does anyone honestlty think that...... are we aware of how many men have been in jail?

We are talking about almost 1/4 of the men in the major urban areas, since the 80s
 
I agree with everything you said with the exception of Fleece Johnson's Character. I think Antione nailed his character without even knowing it. Just my opinion.

Don't take this to mean I don't have empathy for those who find themselves in this trap, but until we embrace the character traits I mentioned ...


I find your comments regarding this man's character, a bit insensitive, but we've been conditioned to think poorly of convicts in generally, so it's understandable. One could question the character of all people in prison, but that does not mean they should be set up to be raped, mentally devastated, violated, and returned to their Families and communities in conditions worse than when they left them.

Nope ... i don't share your opinion, for I know that many a great Black man with well developed character and integrity, have found themselves in these folks prisons. There is no greater people than mine, able to demonstrate great work ethics, upstanding character, impeccable integrity ... only to find themselves always challenged, always overlooked, always diminished ... within a society made to lift up and protect only those things white ... while warehousing Black Men, disproportionately, in this environment.

I'm not the one to blame everything on the white man, and I'm also not the one trying to ignore and/or diminish his contribution to the end result.

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Destee
 
but does anyone honestlty think that...... are we aware of how many men have been in jail?

We are talking about almost 1/4 of the men in the major urban areas, since the 80s


My point exactly ... far too many Black Men end up there, for us not to have substantive data regarding the effects.

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Destee
 
My point exactly ... far too many Black Men end up there, for us not to have substantive data regarding the effects.

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Destee
Like I said, talk to those who have been locked up, or those who have friends or family, who have been locked up

or those who do outreach in your area, that is the best way to know

One thing that can be said things are alot better then in the days of the Angola Panthers and the Attica uprising,
and all of not most have .......... !

now do they seem to be gay or faking it?

They are on the Black News shows and do community services and outreach.
 

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