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    Gamal Abdul Nasser (Former President of the United Arab Republic) said in 1956 that ‘He could not respect the present Jews because they left Israel black and came back white.’

    ...The book of Revelations says that there will be imposters in the House of Israel

    REV 2:9 "I KNOW YOUR WORKS, AND TRIBULATION AND POVERTY, (BUT YOU ARE RICH) AND I KNOW THE BLASPHEMY OF THEM WHICH SAY THEY ARE Ysrayl (Israel) AND ARE NOT, BUT ARE THE SYNAGOGUE Of Satan

    REV 3:9 "BEHOLD, I WILL MAKE THEM OF THE SYNAGOGUE OF SATAN, WHICH SAY THEY ARE YISRAEL AND ARE NOT, BUT DO LIE, BEHOLD, I WILL MAKE THEM TO COME AND WORSHIP BEFORE YOUR FEET, AND TO KNOW THAT I HAVE LOVED YOU."

    Chech out the links....you be the judge...
    Blacked Out By Whitewash - Hebrews
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    Dont make the mistake in going after a whole race of people. These quotes apply individualy not collectively. Now its true Jewish people origins are Egyptian. The Star of David is an Egyptian symbol of union,justice. And of course their name Israel is a combination of Isis,Ra,El. God owns the earth and we have no rights to fight and kill over his land. Its purely an insane thing to kill yourself to kill others. No religious books out there teach this.
     
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    Dre, I agree!
     
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    The Jewish Almanac...IDENTITY CRISIS


     
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    Yes, regarding some of the Bible passages;

    The Ten Tribes of Israel [Northern Israel] who had their headquarters in Samaria were overthrown byway of the Assyrians about 600s BC and, according to the Bible would not be allowed to reform "until this day" then, how can this 1945 ''Israeli State'' set up by the Western league after WWII be Israel?

    "until this day" means that the Israelites were scattered [Diaspora] until the Second Resurrection in my opinion.

    ...And the prophets said, about 500 BC, that God-the-Creator would recall his Chosen Race back from the four corners of the earth in the last days..., so how can this 1945 Israeli State represent the true Israelites and be in agreement with the Bible?

    However, I definitely do not deny people who call themselves ''European Jews". That is between them and the Creator. I do believe there are Eurpean Jews that are white and black and etc. But, it''s all about government. And, for the western nations to organize "a Zionist government'' is deception.
     
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    sister cherryblossom,

    If I may, allow me to add a little something extra to your excellent findings that will perhaps shed even more light. While Evangelist Ted Weiland’s Mission to Israel is correct in identifying the current imposters or proselytes, if you will, their goal is to replace them with yet another erroneous group. For example, here are excerpts of questions and back up source answers:

    Did you know that according to the Bible, archaeology, history and even many Jews, it is the Anglo-Saxons, Germanics, Scandinavians, Celts and kindred peoples who are descended from Abraham, Isaac and Jacob and are, therefore, Israelites by ancestral descent?
    yes no unsure

    Did you know according to many Jewish authorities, such as the 1980 Jewish Almanac, that most of today's Jews, including those living in the Holy Land, are not even Israelites, but are merely proselytes to Judaism?
    yes no unsure

    "Here's a paradox, a paradox, a most ingenious paradox: and anthropological fact, many Christians may have much more Hebrew-Israelite blood in their veins than most of their Jewish neighbors." 1
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    1 - Alfred M. Lilienthal, Jr., What Price Israel (Chicago: Henry Regnery Company, 1953) p. 223.



    In my opinion, there are salient facts of scripture to be considered. Before there were Israelites, there were Hebrews and the tribe of Judah, which provides the construct for Jews; initially, from that specific tribe, in conjunction with the locale of Jerusalem, territorily.

    Abram(Abraham) was a Hebrew and had sons that were Hebrews (Ishmael and Isaac), which in turn had sons(Esau and Jacob), which in turn had sons, one of which was Judah. So, ancient Israelites can be identified as Jews. A name conversion took place, from Jacob to Israel, and hence the term Israel begins to take shape as an identifier for the group, thus we have the ambiguous term, Israelites.

    Now, with this biblical understanding comes this salient fact. All Jews are Israelites, but not all Israelites are Jews, which is to say, all true Jews/Hebrews are Israelites, but all Israelites are not true Jews/Hebrews.

    Again, without considering the inclusion of this biblical basis of facts, we have a conundrum working whenever there is discussion of Hebrews, Jews and Israelites.

     
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    Thank you for much for sharing this, Brother Clyde!


    Yes, there is a lot of confusion and misconstruing out there about the original peoples and their spirituality.
     
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    Are black people the seed of Abraham?
    black people constitute a nation and that through the institution of the Atlantic slave trade they were systematically denied knowledge of their past history, language, culture, and religion and, in effect, lost control of their lives. Central to this doctrine, Black people’s experience of slavery was the fulfillment of Bible prophecy and therefore, black people are the seed of Abraham referred to in the Bible, in Genesis 15:13–14:

    And he said unto Abram, Know of a surety that thy seed shall be a stranger in a land that is not theirs, and shall serve them; and they shall afflict them four hundred years; And also that nation, whom they shall serve, will I judge: and afterward shall they come out with great substance.

    What do you think?And God spake on this wise, That his seed should sojourn in a strange land; and that they should bring them into bondage, and entreat them evil four hundred years. And the nation to whom they shall be in bondage will I judge, said God: and after that shall they come forth, and serve me in this place.


    http://www.prophecy-center.com/knowledgebase/view/259/Are_black_people_the_seed_of_Abraham.html
     
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