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Pan Africanism : Alkebulan - the real name of Africa (?)

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    It may not appear on the pages YOU "outlined in the book" but one day I will dig my copy out of storage, take a screenshot, and post it on one of my blogs then post the link.

    I will also post references from the hieroglyphic dictionary which break down ta SETI, ta meri with its variants and ta keneset.

    Over the years I have tried to find reference to alkebulan in African languages. Brothers Ra Nehem and Asar Imhotep have broken down the origins of Africa, Ta Mery, etc in numerous texts, which is why I quoted them.

    So my question here is what African language does alkebulan appear? What is the words etymology?

    I don't feel like debating a ten year plus argument because I have moved on from this is my own research. But if you or anyone else can answer one of the two questions above, it's settled.

    Regardless of the findings, I will stick closer to the term "Ethiopian" because that is what is listed on my mothers birth certificate and that is how my ancestors identified before "Africa"came into common usage in the 18th century, and in all my research, Ta Mery was used to identify my people from the region below Ta SETI or Kemet.

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    And likewise, I'm not going to debate a ten year old history either, you've seen my posts on the subject matter, they are all over the place, here, there and everywhere, and I've read yours. And that question you asked, I've answered that as well, you've seen those posts, we've had exchanges on the issues.

    Much respect for staying with Ethiopia, and I look forward to the information promised. In the mean time, Alkebu-lan works for me until some one successfully challenges Dr. Ben's use of the term, in scholarly format.

    Let me be sure of this first, are you disputing that Dr. Ben was the first, or one of the first to use Alkebu-lan?

     
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    My Mom, who was at one time a member of the NOI used to teach me that my ancestors were "sailors from Ethiopia". As a genealogist, I asked myself how could this be? The more I studied I found ancestral links to eastern "Africa". Mauritius and Mozambique. Then there are blogs and articles with statements like this:


    Nooooo! The Greeks knew the Muurs, the Romans knew the Muuros, the ancient Indians and the Chinese too. Because ancient Egyptians called their land Ta-Meri, or Ta-Muri, the land of the Muurs. They were the sea-men who navigated the globe and brought the light to all.

    http://www.africaresource.com/rasta...s/etymology-of-black-and-moor-oguejiofo-annu/

    This led me into the study of ancient naps. This is where I agree with the need, as argued by brother Imhotep, for a need to re-identify, knowing the roman etymology for the word "Africa" or Ifriqiya. But I find no indigenous African origin for Alkebulan in a single African language and question it's origin and usage the same as I do the word Kemit. Both came into usage in the 70s and are "Afrocentric"creations. And as brother Imhotep argues, prior to colonization there was no global or continental "African" identity or consciousness.
     
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    Which is exactly why I prefer to use and do use Alkebu-lan over Africa. When you and brother Imhotep6 get it figured out, post it up ... I'm already aware of his position on book shelf sitting, and the desire to execute mental liberation in real time.
     
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    He is the first Black man that I know of who used the term, in writing, in Black Man of the Nile.

    And my point is, before that, he also used the word Ta Meri or Ta Merry.

    Brother Keita and others have explained how as a 360 degree mason Dr Ben did not always put in writing what he shared privately or with others in his lectures. That is why I make reference to what I was taught my him in small group setting when he met with some of us students at the Aquarian center, and he was the first who taught me openly concerning the word Ta Meri. At the time he used to joke about being an Ethiopian Jew, an that is how he identified. As a Ta Merrian, which is to say a Black man of the Nile, of Ethiopian/Nubian ancestry.
     
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    When I get it figured out? Lol!!!

    Alkebulan. What indigenous language are you speaking? As I asked before, what is the etymology?

    Brother Ra Nehem broke it down and he is a linguist. Brother Imhotep has studied with Dr Clyde Winters, a noted linguist.

    I been had this figured out. You the one bumping an old thread pushing an old argument. Lol!

    Later.
     
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    So there it is, a conflict, we have Alkebu-lan and Ta Meri, both given to us by the same person, Dr. Ben. However, Alkebu-lan has taken roots and grown in popularity over Ta Meri. I truly understand and feel your frustration on this matter.
     
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    Yes, when you get it figured out, what's so funny about that, lol... And we both agreed not to debate a ten year history, besides, I referred you to my many posts, already. Then why are we even having this dialog, brother, if you truly figured it out?

    Like I said, post it up and be done with it ...




     
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    Later brother ...


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