If there is anyone in here that believes the white man is the devil, I pose a question...I've been wondering for quite some time. Does belief make a bi-racial child half devil?

I'm suprised how you could ask such a question


Romans 2,3

According to the scripture God's Judgement Is Fair

"...All who are wicked will be punished with trouble
and suffering. It doesn't matter if they are Jews
or Gentiles. But all who do right will be rewarded
with glory, honor, and peace, whether they are
Jews or Gentiles. God doesn't have any favorites!..."

Also note God's Way of Accepting People

"...God treats everyone alike. He accepts people
only because they have faith in Jesus Christ. All
of us have sinned and fallen short of God's glory.
But God treats us much better than we deserve,
and because of Jesus Christ, he freely accepts us
and sets us free from our sins...Does God belong
only to the Jews? Isn't he also the God of the
Gentiles? Yes, he is! There is only one God, and
he accepts Gentiles as well as Jews, simply because
of their faith..."


Whether you are Black or White, God judges us fairly
You think as if God loves his creation by exception when
he has no favorites and accepted both the Jews and the
Gentiles irregardless to their differences
Those who have faith in him and abide by his word will
be blessed not cursed

I don't believe that....but I have heard it....and like you...was quite surprised at the amount of believers and followers....crowds listening and applauding these views...why?

oh...make no mistake about it...that is Not my feelings....

story are you white? :lol:

pd

I've heard that too story...it's crazy

I am the color of sound....poetic...

I'VE HEARD IT YET I KNOWETH THEIR IS NO SUCH
WE R ALL ONE UNDER DA EYEZ OF LIGHT
IT MARKS NO COLOR NOR IS IT DARK
GIVEN SNOW OF WHITE YET PURE BRFORE LANDING
FORTH DARKNESS OF BEAUTY UPWARD IN DA SKY
DON'T LISTEN TO WHAT YA HEAR

:lol: Story that is the funniest thing I've heard all morning, no I have not heard of that, :lol: I don't beleive the white man is the devil but I beleive that God has blessed them because God has given them the power over so many things, and I have heard the phrase " If you give a ***** keys he won't know how to act with them", the same goes for any race ; meaning: to me some people don't know how to handle it when they are given the power, and some people aren't very nice , but some whites that are put the means ones in check. So in this case I say it's a balance and a constant battle between the good ones and the eveil ones. Check out what happened to the kid who was beaten by the officer, but check out the white guy that filmed it and took it in to the news. In every race there is good and evil people but since they are in power, maybe their evil shows up more because they are the ones that is the head of everything, in that case they are constanlty exposed to temptations by bribery and since they are so exposed they look worse than they really are. They are just like any other person , therefore a mixed child is the same as any other person.

PD

abisha-
i'm not so sure that God particularly blessed white folks because they have that power. they're only a progressed reflection of what already was in kingdoms in Africa that were torn apart by white who knew we were a threat. but the original peaceful spirit of the Hue-man did not allow for us to retaliate they way they would ever. but please don't take this as an attack on you, and you probably didn't even think like that, that's just my immediate response to your statement.
we don't even know our own strength. and the white folks see our potential when we don't. that's why it is stereotyped that they have and we don't.
then u get back to the origins of this country. i say we have done well for ourselves being strangers in a foreign land. now if we can progress honorably and support and not hate on those that do....

and no. the white man is not the devil in my opinion, but he sho can give the devil a run for his money at times.....

d (queen of ramble)

^5...I totally agree with you and no I would never think of any discussions on the forum as an attack, because we are all here trying to resolve issues that have been going on in our community, whereas many of us don't have the time to meet up, in a town hall but we can disucss this openly with folks all across the globe and respond at our own times and still get our point across. I love this site and am happy that it has found it's way to the information highway, because it gives us a place to kick back take off our shoes, have coffee and be ourselves:toast: thanks for your reply Diva08:D

Is a child that is half white and half black half devil? I don't think so, especially since most bi-racial children are considered black anyway. Furthermore, I would think that you would have to believe in the entire concept of the white man being the devil in the first place, which I do not. Hell, just sell me down the river for being a house slave why don'tcha!

NO i don't believe all white folk are devils, i believe people can be devils and his angels. period. black white or other.

however i have heard that mixed b/w kids have issues and i believe that is true. that they are crazy. ..from experience. two bloods that are from two different dna and roots. not good.:eek:

We have many Angels and I know for sure that 2 of my angles are white with pure white hair like the snow, and the other is a young Latina.

story, i think the "white devil" view was adopted by the Nation of Islam (the black faction, so to speak). l think.

When people don't see/know God, they judge ignorantly like this.

Common sense/ Nature tells them sin, poverty, war, life or death invites all races to their home.


MORE,
dunn, your last sentence threw the first one off.
we all have different but same blood types, same root (God).
Look at it from any other view, you're right, the experience would be crazy for the bi-racial b/c that's how the world operates- from a color perspective

Blacks,White,Latino,Samoan,Asian,Bi-Cultural,Bi-Racial you name it.
In so many words I am saying there are DEVILS in every race as well as ANGELS in every race. The only white devil is a klan member who think it a :party:party practice :flame:burning ,lynching people or kidnap people just to and let them go in the forest and have a group to hunt ,:uzi: shoot and kill people :nono:like rabbits soely because of thier race. If that person has a baby from a non racist black person or any other race of person then you can only call them half devil; even if a Klan memeber have a white wife at home and she is not a racist and they have a child I would consider that child half devil because you better believe he or she will be introduced if not force to join the club whether they want to or not in some cases. Calling a person a devil should not be based on race but by one's actions or deeds.

There are devils out there...

I could not define a black devil because blacks do not act out racial hatred in that fashion but if I had to define a black devil I would say:The black devil usually a gang member may shoot anyone for regardless of race. But we have all races that my randomly shoot people so a black devil to me is non - existant because we don't have a posse to seek out and drag someone to death at the back of our vehicles soely on race. Other races are not known for racial violence in that fashion, violence but not racial violence; therefore I conclude if a person has experiance a crime similar to the ones I have mentioned at the hands of the white race soley based on the race they are, when they see anyone white they may feel the pain and distrust all white and in thier mind they may draw a conlcusion "White Deivil" .

:eek: The black devil can be defined just as any other race but none can accuse the other of killing for sport or soely on race. That is soley a cup the KLAN can be proud of. It is not my place to call anyone a devil I am not GOD and I would not even call a KLAN member a devil, but I am just explaining things based on many perspectives that a person may have.

http://www.tolerance.org/ this is a way to fight hate try that link.

Stop all this hatred!!! Please!!!!

I also think the idea "white devil" came from the Nation of Islam. If u listen to Malcolm X's earlier speeches he refers to the white man as the devil. Although, later on Malcolm stopped calling white people devils. I do not consider white people as the devil. I say it is just an adjective to describe some of them and other people of other races behavior. I abhor to hear comments about bi-racial kids being crazy. The only real issue I can think of that bi-racial kids have is being considered not being black enough.

Once a female friend and I were conversing about her mix cousin. She stated that her mom said that "half-breed" kids have problems. People with credulities like that are not good conoisseurs! Comments like that will just keep us divided. Some peole must of skipped over the part in the bible where God created man out of the image of him/herself.

I was never a member of the Nation of Islam but it does not take a rocket scientist to know that a person that is evil enough to join a group of people who hate others soely on the color of thier skin and produce violence because anotehr is different from them , to me that is a true Devil, no matter what race if someone has practiced such deeds they need not allow satan to use them to harm others but they need to repent and ask God for forgiveness of sins.

"Democracy OR Hypocrisy"

As an internal war continues on the basis of race relations and "reverse discrimination", Bush and his administration have deployed additional troops overseas on other allegations that could also prove to be false. Although Iraq has admitted to having these weapons alledged by Colin Powell, he must still prove that the nation of Iraq's intent along with Black America's intent is to bring about "reverse discrimination" and annihilation. The concept of "Lies, Lies, and More Lies" clearly proves that these allegations are absurd. During the reign of the Kush empire, Romans as well as Greeks came to Timbuktu to learn the concept of math among other branches of science. The concept of math wasn't the only thing the Egyptians shared with others. Alexander The Great's empire also shared its gold and riches with those they taught. Word of these sacred treasures traveled as far as to the Persian military. Without hesitation, the throne of the Egyptians was invaded and raided for all of its gold, people, and intellectual property. Large ships were sent to their continent inorder to enslave the Egyptians for added value to the new capitalistic European economy. Gold had been converted into the currency of money which is still in circulation today with the faces of new kings known as dead presidents. The concept of math is one of the greatest contributions from the Kush Empire used by the world today. The basis for the inventions of computers evolved from math formulas. As an african-american who resides in the U.S, my culture is heavily viewed as being uncivilized on the basis of false allegations of "reverse discrimination" through affirmative action. However, affirmative action is clearly needed after our struggle. To prove that minorities are civilized, we were basically robbed blind of our natural talents and abilities not to mention our identity. This is the significant meaning of "united they stand divided we fall". For instance, during a job interview with Federal Reserve, a man from my own racial heritage reviewed my resume and asked me," How is it that you entered college tutoring math as a freshman? Why did you choose to attend a Historically Black College and University when you could have attended any prestigious white institution?" To make matters worse, I later discovered that he attended a rival high school known as Vigor located in my hometown. Needless to say, I guess that he was too blind to see that it was through affirmative action that I was even given the opportunity to interview with his company. In addition, the affirmative action program that presented me with the opportunity to interview with his company was founded by a man who attended a prestigious white university known as Princeton. He resigned from the kingdom of America's new empire as he puts it, " to help right a social injustice". His life stands as a representation of the need for all cultural heritages to unite and come together as one. America should not invade Iraq in bringing about a third world war. We have enough issues to deal with in our aftermath from the past.

The white man isn't the Devil. The Devils are all disobedient Angels who were but granted respite until the Day of Judgement. They are going to Hell and whosoever follows the Devils goes to Hell too- African, European, whateva. We should follow the Prophets, they're going to make it back to God on good terms. My word.

OKAY.

I’m probably going to offend people here, and I can’t say that it is not intentional. I want you to read all that I have to say. Bear in mind that I do not claim to be speaking on behalf of anyone but myself and I realize that I could be wrong.

I believe that the white man is A devil, but he is not THE devil.

How did I come to this conclusion?

Well, let’s face the truth. Satan the Devil enjoyed great authority as accuser of God’s creation. For some reason, he was allowed to oppose God - unmolested. His goal to supplant God and his creations may have come to fruition.

Look at the world we live in. Originally inhabited by people of color it is now controlled and dominated by an unnatural race that is surely unintended. Look at history. In Scotland dark skinned Picts welcomed the Scots Irish tribes who after supplanting their hosts became “Scottish.” The word “Europe” (fabled to derive from the Europa myth) may actually root from the Greek words “Euros” and “Ops.” Nobody will tell you that these words mean black/mound + face. Did they tell you that they found Neanderthal bones in Germany? Check out German “volk” lore. These “Europeans” arrived by wagon and faced as their rivals: dark skinned natives. Later Teutonic generations had to find a way to explain the “prehistoric” mass graves. Hence cave man theory.
Where am I going with all of this? Well the white man’s origins are shrouded in mystery. He strives to replace religiosity with secularism, common sense observation with inane theory. Why? What is he hiding? Is he the devil that was cast down out of heaven and would cause woe to the earth and the sea?

No. He is something else, something less spectacular. He is of this earth, but not intended. He is an abomination, a freak, and a mutation – the unintended result of satanic interference. Composed of the genes of animals the white man was either forged through the sheer will of the incarcerated demon-numina population (who needed to escape from extra-organic oblivion) or the Caucasian was created out of spite, deliberately by Satan the Devil himself.

The white man is supposed to be THE BEAST described in the book of Revelations. This is why the whole world (fooled into believing that the Caucasian race is a natural part of the human family) wonders as to the identity of this beast. But I tell you it is a plain as day to discern. Imagine giving a dog the ability to speak. Would he not boast constantly about his intelligence?

Satan gives power unto the Beast and causes him to be worshipped. Therefore Satan is a separate and distinctive entity.

I say this also because the white man is capable of opposing himself. The most noted prophet declared that if Satan opposed himself it would be his undoing. Therefore when I see a compassionate Caucasian being vilified by members of their own race (for the crime of defending people of color), I know that the white man cannot be the devil. This is why the compassionate white woman will always be broken and controlled by her cruel peers; it’s why the phrase “****** lover” carries heavy connotations of betrayal, and why white society detests bleeding hearts and commune brotherhood. But do not let anyone fool you. If the puppet learned to walk for itself it would be free of the hand controlling it.

It is the prerogative of all gentiles who believe that they are God’s children, to prove to the devil that even something unintended, but derived from God’s own creations can display true virtue. Do not be offended when I speak of the genes of animals, for God himself created the building blocks of life. Furthermore, animals are known to display unconditional love for their owners while humans find this difficult to achieve. Therefore, when the complacent label you Caucasians as the devil, you should strive to prove that you are not. In doing so you will humiliate Satan.

This is how the battle will be won.

:book: I never heard this before, I am speechless...this is deep.

Great post, juj...and very enlightening...

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In response to Juj's post I'd like to say that the assertion that white people are abberations created by Satan is every bit as preposterous as when the reverse was decided upon by europeans when justifying the enslavement of africans.

Looking at history objectively one has no choice but to conclude that excepting maybe the australian aborigines there's no a culture on the planet that hasn't been both enslaved and enslaver. wars have been fought by everybody against everybody else farther back than written history can tell us. Also, about the only cultures to NOT be openly racist was mideival Islam, who nonetheless were quite determined to convert everyone to their religion. Luckily they didn't think that using a sword was a valid form of conversion (they learned that idea from the Christians)


While discussing prehistoric Picts, it MUST be pointed out that we have only guesswork to determine the actual skin colour of people, and while I haven't put much research into it.... WHY is Europe called that? The character from Greek myth quite possibly have had darker skin... greece isn't all that far from North Africa... but still the question stands.

that last post was me.... ooops. urban_savage is my roommate. please don't get annoyed with him, assuming you were annoyed at all.

Yuji.

There is a scripture found in Khemit by the gnostics. among several other found, about a "God" called Yadabaoth. You may find striking similiarities between him and the white man. Not all white men ofcourse :angel:

You know I was going to land on your planet Sekhemu, I come in peace. Even so there's still unfinished business in the other string. I will not pollute this string with that conversation however. There are parallels however. I will not exploit them in this string.

This string already being well developed there's little to say that hasn't been said before. I note a good portion of etmyological references to the movements of ancient peoples and the resulting consequence. Namely, loss as a consequence of conflict.

I want to add a bit of levity to what has been a tragedy befalling mankind as far back as anyone may refer in their attempts to chronicle history. Mankind has always been engaged in forms of competition and conflict. It does not indicate someone is a devil when they see what you have and covet. In every ancient culture you will note there were weapons. These implements may have been to kill animals for sustenance, yet, it is not unlikely that, within homogenous groups there were fights and warfare. The White man did not create tension and competition, there appears to be a healthy dose of infighting among groups as far back as recorded history will take us. While some will want to dump bloodletting on the White man, anyone exercising a fair judgment of the human condition will readily acknowledge competition, jealousy and infighting occurred within ancient African cultures. And, because of various needs or passions to expand, people encountering other peoples have often done so with both having an eye on their respective interests. It would be disengeuous to assume our ancient forefathers knew nothing of war before being encroached on by other peoples. Romanticizing there was no bloodshedding in ancient African culture requires engaging in frames of thought on the outer edges of practical reason. Migrating or exploring peoples who've resorted to antagonistic means to establish a footing in new territories have not demonstrated anything unique in their behavior. The tip of a spear or the pain of a club bear the same death and injury regardless of who's handling the implement or for what reason. Of course, there are moral and ethical principles that are unique to invading versus infighting, nevertheless the consequences are the same, someone is victimized and resentments soon follow. It doesn't much matter if these attitudes flourish within a group or are directed at some offending external power. All men have engaged in offensive behavior, both against others like themselves and to others.

I will conclude at this point by making mention of another factor, geography. You would expect people to migrate or seek environments from which they can derive a greater sense of satisfaction from life. No doubt, there can be insidious motives involved, which has often been. Nevertheless, people who live in areas rich in natural resources and aesthetic appeal can expect those who live in less ideal areas to seek something better. A comparable scenairio is on display when viewing what people do on their vacation. What do people do, except when returning to their hometowns, they travel to "paradise", places of high culture or areas where they can adventure. People are curious as to what possibilties exist in this world and some seek them out. In other instances there are earth changes, pestilences, famine, etc. that spur people to move on to more fertile grounds. In these situations, human beings may become motivated to take what others have known as their own for generations. Rather than in the reverse, peoples who live in desirable locales are likely to be subjected to such intrusions. You don't find anybody trekking to lay claim to any place in the Pole regions on earth. You better know, if you have a bananna tree and all another group have are barren lands, they're going to come and, in some instances they may be coming to fight to lay hold of your banannas.

In considering what we see in the ebb and flow of mankind's experience there is a need to take into account the broad range of factors contribvuting to peoples' behavior. As something as simple as a locust can drive a human being to higher ground seeking what others possess to compensate for what was lost to the locust. Simplistic notions of White people being devils and Black people being victims offer little in comprehending mankind's legacy in terms that are more balanced in their perspective. This White man being the devil routine is a old and worn out assertion. There's nothing to it worth giving our time and attention to endorse it. It's a lie.

Astro


Yuji.

There is a scripture found in Khemit by the gnostics. among several other found, about a "God" called Yadabaoth. You may find striking similiarities between him and the white man. Not all white men ofcourse :angel:

First I wanted to accept the warm welcome I recieve here. I've spent far too much time keeping my opinions to myself and it is a pleasure to finally share them with people that might just appreciate them.

I feel the need to respond to Astro regardless of whether his post was directed at me or not.

Disclaimer:

I do not claim to speak on behalf of anyone but myself and understand that some things I take for granted may turn out to be wrong.


"I want to add a bit of levity to what has been a tragedy befalling mankind as far back as anyone may refer in their attempts to chronicle history. Mankind has always been engaged in forms of competition and conflict."

Perhaps "man - kind" has always been engaged in forms of competition and conflict, but I suspect that man (the original creation) would have done just fine without external interference.


"It does not indicate someone is a devil when they see what you have and covet."

It does if what you have is the universal adoration of the celestial hosts.


"In every ancient culture you will note there were weapons."


That depends on how ancient we are talking. There was a time when there were men without weapons.


"These implements may have been to kill animals for sustenance, yet, it is not unlikely that, within homogenous groups there were fights and warfare. The White man did not create tension and competition, there appears to be a healthy dose of infighting among groups as far back as recorded history will take us."

The white man is the result of tension and competition*. While he did not create these things, he surely went on to propagate them more than any one else.

*: I will explain this theory another time.


"While some will want to dump bloodletting on the White man, anyone exercising a fair judgment of the human condition will readily acknowledge competition, jealousy and infighting occurred within ancient African cultures."


The human condition you describe is only temporary. The white man personifies that which caused the affliction. Even considering that native populations suffered as a result of their inherited imperfection, it was the renaissance impelled caucasian that transformed them from self-sustaining communities, into desperate impoverished refugees hoping to emulate their conquerors.


"And, because of various needs or passions to expand, people encountering other peoples have often done so with both having an eye on their respective interests. It would be disengeuous to assume our ancient forefathers knew nothing of war before being encroached on by other peoples."

I for one do not believe that you and I have common forefathers. History (true history) dictates that every adverse reality was simply a consequence of that which had gone before it. In other words, exposure to adversity breeds adversity. Someone, somewhere started this whole thing, and the black man is certainly not the one to be blamed.


"Romanticizing there was no bloodshedding in ancient African culture requires engaging in frames of thought on the outer edges of practical reason. Migrating or exploring peoples who've resorted to antagonistic means to establish a footing in new territories have not demonstrated anything unique in their behavior. The tip of a spear or the pain of a club bear the same death and injury regardless of who's handling the implement or for what reason. Of course, there are moral and ethical principles that are unique to invading versus infighting, nevertheless the consequences are the same, someone is victimized and resentments soon follow."

I've heard that human beings in an ideal setting, can spend their entire lives without stepping foot outside a radius ten-miles from their birth place. If God placed the tirbes of the earth each in their places, why would they need to fight each other? Only an extraneous displaced people would find it necessary to aggress in order to establish territory. The white man has conspicuously spent much of his time devising weapons and strategies to achieve this very feat, and it is people of color who are suffering as a consequence.


"It doesn't much matter if these attitudes flourish within a group or are directed at some offending external power. All men have engaged in offensive behavior, both against others like themselves and to others."


This may sound like resentment, but I firmly believe that if the white man never existed there would be peace and harmony on earth.


"I will conclude at this point by making mention of another factor, geography. You would expect people to migrate or seek environments from which they can derive a greater sense of satisfaction from life. No doubt, there can be insidious motives involved, which has often been. Nevertheless, people who live in areas rich in natural resources and aesthetic appeal can expect those who live in less ideal areas to seek something better. A comparable scenairio is on display when viewing what people do on their vacation. What do people do, except when returning to their hometowns, they travel to "paradise", places of high culture or areas where they can adventure. People are curious as to what possibilties exist in this world and some seek them out. In other instances there are earth changes, pestilences, famine, etc. that spur people to move on to more fertile grounds. In these situations, human beings may become motivated to take what others have known as their own for generations. Rather than in the reverse, peoples who live in desirable locales are likely to be subjected to such intrusions. You don't find anybody trekking to lay claim to any place in the Pole regions on earth. You better know, if you have a bananna tree and all another group have are barren lands, they're going to come and, in some instances they may be coming to fight to lay hold of your banannas."

How about asking the people to share? Has it ever occurred to you that people living in a land abundant in favorable commodities, by defaullt, do not need to hoard? Don't you realize they would be more than willing to help you? The problem arises when you wish to supplant them. This desire is the direct result of vanity - a condtion that leads one to believe that he is more important than another. This is the general malaise of the white man in his relations to the original humans and now he seeks to apportion blame for its consequences on their victims. In his inept quest for a place of his own the white "man" taught this world how to be selfish - though I suspect that it is not enitrely his own fault. There are many explanations for anti-social behavior on a cultural scale.


"In considering what we see in the ebb and flow of mankind's experience there is a need to take into account the broad range of factors contribvuting to peoples' behavior. As something as simple as a locust can drive a human being to higher ground seeking what others possess to compensate for what was lost to the locust."

The white man behaves like a locust. He comes uninvited, eats everything, and drives starving people away to emulate his behavior.


"Simplistic notions of White people being devils and Black people being victims offer little in comprehending mankind's legacy in terms that are more balanced in their perspective. This White man being the devil routine is a old and worn out assertion. There's nothing to it worth giving our time and attention to endorse it. It's a lie."

Personally, I agree that the white man is not THE devil.

He's just the devil's skin.

In a nutshell. What "man" has done more to destroy everything natural, including living breathin humans, in this world than the caucasian man. I'm not calling him a :grin: but he sure does a good impression of one :tongue:

Let me respond to this:

"In response to Juj's post I'd like to say that the assertion that white people are abberations created by Satan is every bit as preposterous as when the reverse was decided upon by europeans when justifying the enslavement of africans. Looking at history objectively one has no choice but to conclude that excepting maybe the australian aborigines there's no a culture on the planet that hasn't been both enslaved and enslaver."

How about the escaped african slaves who swam or bartered for their freedom in the Caribbean Basin? How about Romany Gypsies? I'm sure there are many more examples besides these. I hope it does not offend you to realize that you've jumped to naive conclusions here.

You need to comprehend a "preposterous" statement before you can dismiss it.

You say that my assertion about the caucasian origin is as nonsensical as the justification for african enslavement, yet I suspect that you have little or no idea what that was. Indeed, was there ever an actual "justification" for it? You also describe my theory as the "reverse" of this elusive justification. I find it difficult to comment on your shortsightedness.

You also speak of looking at history objectively, as though those who write it have done so too. This is rank naivete. History is subjective. It is defined by the conqueror, by the one in the position to dictate what is said.

Let's suppose that we've just conquered an ancient civilisation hidden in a tropical rain forest. Imagine that we brutally murdered all its men women and children, and we damaged important artifacts and shrines in the process. Suppose that we suddenly realized that posterity would look upon our barbarism unfavorably, and we were reminded by our less impulsive superiors that rather than mercinaries, we must appear to be missionaries. Would it be too much for us to make up stories about this now muted civilisation, accusing them of being ritual sacrificers and murderers of their own children? Would it be beyond our moral capacity to simply label the remains as evidence of this barberous cult we pacified?

This my friend is how the caucasian behaves. This is the history you view so objectively.


"...wars have been fought by everybody against everybody else farther back than written history can tell us. Also, about the only cultures to NOT be openly racist was mideival Islam, who nonetheless were quite determined to convert everyone to their religion. Luckily they didn't think that using a sword was a valid form of conversion (they learned that idea from the Christians)"

Why do you think that being racist is a bad thing? Get the idea that harmony can be achieved by any action other than a ultimate and decisive divine intervention, out of your head.

The drive for man made global racial harmony is a trap. Don't be fooled by it. The very same people that propound about racial equality sign racist laws.
Consider the French. These objectors to the invasion of arab states ban arab girls from adhering to their religious practices in certain public places.

They use your concerns to ensnare you. They offer you hope, they seduce you with the promise of this equality to access your vulnerability - then they strike.

Racial equality will only exist when there is one race (or at least one people*).

*: To be discussed.


"While discussing prehistoric Picts, it MUST be pointed out that we have only guesswork to determine the actual skin colour of people, and while I haven't put much research into it..."

Put some research into it then come back.

Also ask yourself why you've labelled a historic people "prehistoric". Don't you find that a little contradictory?

A rule of thumb for your travels:

"Prehistoric" means: embarassing for the powers that be (or "before the white man.") It's a word used to obscure facts that would upset the applecart.


"WHY is Europe called that? The character from Greek myth quite possibly have had darker skin... greece isn't all that far from North Africa... but still the question stands."

You must become aware of the fact that much of what is disseminated as "fact" is actually falsehood. Be wary of huge prehistoric dates, latinized descriptions, scientific enigmas and "mysteries." They are all there to disguise the truth. If you find cave paintings in France depicting dark skinned hunters - there were dark skinned hunters in France. Don't accept the explanation that 30,000 year old cave men were responsible.

I'm assuming that before the Europeans, Europe was full of "prehistoric" people! The caucasian barbarians named the place Europe on account of the black faces they supplanted. This is the most sacred of secrets by the way, as it exposes the truth that the white man has no original homeland.

The safest place to hide from an unsuspecting world is right before their very eyes.

Juj,

I perceive your investing time to dissect my post a compliment. Being Astro, I wouldn't dishonor your efforts by ignoring your comments. By the way, welcome to the community, I'm new myself. Anyway, in being frank your reply makes obvious we do not share the same mind set as to the direction of our thoughts as African Americans or as human beings. This isn't to say there is no common ground, because we do share a common interest in the well being of our people. The rhetoric in your post, although evidencing a degree of balance indicates the slant of your views to be archaic and non-productive for any pursuit of constructive change.

Before proceeding I would have you to know a few things about myself. Where struggle and an opportunity to be resentful of Whites as you and others in this forum appear to be, I doubt very seriously you've had any more reasons than I. I'm originally from the South, my youth was spent living under segregation. I remember quite clearly my father's experience in the Navy during and post WWII, my grandfather's inability to capitalize on his skill as a mason because "Coloreds" weren't allowed in the unions. There was a drive-in theater down the street only Whites could attend. I and my friends would lay in the field next to the show sometimes to watch a film. There would be no more than muffled sounds we could hear and, being in the South there were plenty of bugs biting while we sat and watched the films. I went to an all Black school, lived in an all Black community, etc. What do you know about that?

Living under segregation in the South wasn't entirely disadvantageous for Blacks in my opinion. The conditions lent themselves to our taking serious the need to overcome. It also went far in guaranteeing unity among Blacks. In the frame of my parents and grandparents parenting, indeed practically every adult in the community was a common theme and purpose. Overcoming meant getting a good education, being progressive in the pursuit of change, respecting your elders, etc. The Montgomery Bus Strike, which lasted over one year was successful because the unity of "Coloreds" was cohesive. There was a breed of Black folks in that era and part of the country guys who sit aorund and moan about the White man couldn't hold a candle too. You ought to be ashamed of yourself, taking what brothers and sisters have dearly sacrificed for to be turned into an endless chatter of hating the White man. What you need is your butt whipped, like they did us children when we misbehaved in school and be turned on your ear for wasting anyone's time with that cheap conversation.

I'll bet five to ten you live somewhere in the East, although having said you didn't perceive the White man to be the devil, only to be wearing his skin, you may be near the South. I'd hate to think you walk on Southern soil, disrespecting the grounds that men and women like Medgar Evers, Ralph Abernathy, Rosa Parks, Dr. King and others walked under the threat of death to make more feasible a viable future for knuckleheads like Sekhemu and you.

In respect to your implying we are not of the same ancestry because I don't buy into your tripe I'll have you to know I've worked on a number od Civil Rights campaigns with the Congress of Racial Equality California, the NAACP and with a host of non-descript individuals and groups working to improve the quality of life and insure justice. I am not merely talking about protesting the presence of a liquior store, I've worked on campaigns achieving gains with major corporations like Arco Oil. In coincidence with John Hatcher, President of the Ventura Branch of the NAACP, a local Bishop of the Church of God in Christ and the Presiding Judge of the California State Bar, a White man, we're completing a year long struggle with Delta Airlines concerning the unfair termination of a sister. I've engaged in small time stuff as well, however my focus has been on situations where gains that may have national implications, rather than only on local issues.

Let me tell you something Juj, there are the show boating types working in front of the scenes in effecting change for African Americans, while others are working diligently whose names you'll never know. The tone of your and others who are stuck on the White is the devil or akin to his being in some way is a rhetoric we as a people have need to begin to move away from. In fact, the talk is passe' already. The White being the devil was thick in the Nation of Islam's rhetoric in the seventies. Malcolm X discovered the line was corrupt, at least as far as Islam was concerned. He rejected a lot of Elijah Muhammad's notions on his eyes being opened. Farrakhan went on to decry the use of the phrase, thereby you hear no Muslims in his camp tripping in that way. I know a number of Muslims in Los Angeles, none have spoken in terms indicating they are locked into a frame of mind that rekindles a dead theme, over and over again to perpetuate our being bitter at what happened in the past. Black people don't need the demonization of Whites as a crutch to justify or empower our moving forward. It's also a very poor excuse to explain why our children do as poorly as they do in our schools.

I come from a poor family in the segregated South. I worked all the way through college to earn a Masters degree, no one paid one dime of tuition or to purchase books in my pursuit to earn a degree. My son is working on a Masters degree at UCLA. I subscribe to James Brown's lyric, "I don't want nobody to give me nothing, open up the door I'll get it myself." One of my uncle's wives comes from a family of 13 children. They lived in Arkansas. They were a poor family, often living from hand to mouth from stories she's told me. If I'm 56 you'd figure my mother's brother is a senior citizen, so is his wife of over 40 years. Although coming from what you could call a dirt poor family, all 13 children in her family have college degrees. My mother earned a BA at 67 years old, both of my uncles have Masters degrees. From your presentation I wouldn't be surprised if you and I didn't have the same ancestors. I and my people are hardworking, sacrificing, giving, spiritual people. We don't waste our time blaming others for our problems, we get up and put in the sweat equity to get things done. What did your ancestors do? What do you do, aside from tripping on some inane ideas having nothing to do with what's needed to get your tail up off the ground.

It appears there are some Black folk who feel they must rely on dredging up yesterday's issues to justify what they're asking for today. That move is old and on its way out. There are brothers who are choosing to go about making changes, like Patti LaBelle said with a "New Attitude." Rather than by bitterness and complaint we are making changes by involvement and engagement, by taking issue with the issues that are on the table today, by collaborating with like minds and moving forward. Some of you brothers are stuck on one note, "the White man is the devil". Whoever's in this forum whose stuck on the White man is the devil, you make yourself look like a bunch of backward natives behaving like signifying monkeys. Nobody's paying any attention to that line anymore, it's worn out its welcome and has no bearing on any substantive conversations that will lead to the changes we need as a people and a nation. Of course, you can always go back to Africa if you choose, because even among your own people there is no need of your kind of thinking anymore. You can do better my good brothers, even more you better do better or wind up further, further and further behind.

Astro......

If you really want to know the truth about things it's brothers who are continually wanting to replenish anger and resentment who are our biggest problems today. You get a group of progressive minded brothers together and you've got something to work with. You brothers, who harmonize with the Poverty Pimps in your frame of referencing are a hindrance to our people, no one who wants to make any real progress needs your brand of thinking anymore. You and brothers like Sekhemu need to go and sit at the back of the class, you not relevant anymore.

It just so happens I went to see the Temptations perform last night. After the show I stopped at an eatery and ran into Magic Johnson. It was just a hamburger joint called Fatburgers. Magic once owned the one I stopped in, I suppose he was just there snoozing with a few pals and ladies. You can sit and socialize at the location. In the mix of the "restaurant" were Latinos, Whites, Blacks and a few Orientals. Everybody there had one thing on their mind, to get their Fatburger and enjoy themselves. There was no tension or tripping on matters I perceive you and others in your frame are continually refreshing in your minds. So, before you get started up I am well aware of brothers who consider progressive minded brothers have sold out. Well, there may be some who have, however I do not make any difference from them than those who choose to wallow in disdaining the legacy of slavery. And, if you or anyone considers this of Astro, I can produce many documents attesting to my working in behalf of our people, I'll bet all you have are your complaints about the White man being the devil. Other than that, I wouldn't be surprised to find you probably have nothing going.

Juj, I will probably have more dialogue with you. In fact, I intend to deal with some matters of comments you've made from my post. I want to make it clear, despite the hard things I've said, I have no bone to pick with you, only your manner of thinking. Along with some others in this community you need to wake up and smell the coffee. And, as far as believing we don't share the same ancestory, that would be fine with me if living with my mind in a box would be required to be one of you. I am Black however and am of a people who have what it takes to do whatever they choose, as long as they point themselves in a direction that leads out of the comedy of circular reasoning. A dog may chase its own tail, but no people from my stock remain in a twist when all they can do to justify themselves is finger point and complain. You should have been at the "restaurant" last night, you would have enjoyed yourself. I would have made sure you would have. Sometimes, the only thing a person needs is a push. Do not attempt to drag me down however into the muck you've chosen to immerse your thoughts in. I'm not buying into that, being made guilty to feel, if I don't, I'm not of the same stock as you are. "Homey don't buy that Charlie, I did finish the first grade you know." :shades:


First I wanted to accept the warm welcome I recieve here. I've spent far too much time keeping my opinions to myself and it is a pleasure to finally share them with people that might just appreciate them.

I feel the need to respond to Astro regardless of whether his post was directed at me or not.

Disclaimer:

I do not claim to speak on behalf of anyone but myself and understand that some things I take for granted may turn out to be wrong.



Perhaps "man - kind" has always been engaged in forms of competition and conflict, but I suspect that man (the original creation) would have done just fine without external interference.



It does if what you have is the universal adoration of the celestial hosts.



That depends on how ancient we are talking. There was a time when there were men without weapons.



The white man is the result of tension and competition*. While he did not create these things, he surely went on to propagate them more than any one else.

*: I will explain this theory another time.



The human condition you describe is only temporary. The white man personifies that which caused the affliction. Even considering that native populations suffered as a result of their inherited imperfection, it was the renaissance impelled caucasian that transformed them from self-sustaining communities, into desperate impoverished refugees hoping to emulate their conquerors.



I for one do not believe that you and I have common forefathers. History (true history) dictates that every adverse reality was simply a consequence of that which had gone before it. In other words, exposure to adversity breeds adversity. Someone, somewhere started this whole thing, and the black man is certainly not the one to be blamed.



I've heard that human beings in an ideal setting, can spend their entire lives without stepping foot outside a radius ten-miles from their birth place. If God placed the tirbes of the earth each in their places, why would they need to fight each other? Only an extraneous displaced people would find it necessary to aggress in order to establish territory. The white man has conspicuously spent much of his time devising weapons and strategies to achieve this very feat, and it is people of color who are suffering as a consequence.



This may sound like resentment, but I firmly believe that if the white man never existed there would be peace and harmony on earth.



How about asking the people to share? Has it ever occurred to you that people living in a land abundant in favorable commodities, by defaullt, do not need to hoard? Don't you realize they would be more than willing to help you? The problem arises when you wish to supplant them. This desire is the direct result of vanity - a condtion that leads one to believe that he is more important than another. This is the general malaise of the white man in his relations to the original humans and now he seeks to apportion blame for its consequences on their victims. In his inept quest for a place of his own the white "man" taught this world how to be selfish - though I suspect that it is not enitrely his own fault. There are many explanations for anti-social behavior on a cultural scale.



The white man behaves like a locust. He comes uninvited, eats everything, and drives starving people away to emulate his behavior.



Personally, I agree that the white man is not THE devil.

He's just the devil's skin.

Astro.

Let me tell you the terms.

I'm not muslim (though I sympathize with their plight), I don't associate with most people who call themselves "christian" and I am certainly not one of those people calling themselves jews. It would be productive if you just ask questions rather than attempt to provoke a telling reaction.

For your records.

You are witnessing something new. I am not come to perpetuate the lie that the white man was once divine. I'm here to expose the white "man" for what he truly is - for the first time in convenient history. Arrogant as that may sound, that is exactly how I see it.

I don't care what person X Y or Z said in bygone years. If it sounds similar then those people had some sense. I'm strictly coming with something I personally believe, something forced upon me by the environment I find myself in.

What you call resentment I call observation.

How can I put this? Please accept heartfelt and sincere apologies if my next comment is incorrect, but I don't for a second believe that you are black. You may be able to dupe other people here, but you should already know that you've found someone hard to fool. To begin with, your concerns are far too pragmatic, and your overt attempt to antagonise is elementary. Your original post is so transparent I had difficulty going along with your charade. Also I don't really need to know the details of your past, nor do I want you pandering to my percieved sentiments or those of the more gulliable readership.

If you are indeed black, then what can I say to you? You seem to have the right attitude to succeed in the white man's world. I mean from going over what you've just said I can tell you don't give two hoots about your community. How dare you even attempt to chastize me for opening the eyes of people who have been suffering for years completely unaware of the ACTUAL reasons? Do you think your cold hearted practical, down to earth, worldly, amoral rhetoric is going to save any souls? You're basically telling black people to jump into the fire.

Listen carefully "brother" - I aim to make what I am saying so forceful and clear that as many people as possible get to understand it. If you think you can prevent that with your well oiled imposter act then be my guest. Many tried and have already fallen on their own swords.

You've warned me in vain not to attempt to drag you down. You've done that all by yourself. As far as I am concerned you're sitting on the wrong side of the fence and time's getting short. You sound to me like you have no alternatives, no other options. It's as though you've already accepted that the best there is for you are the spoils of war. Please understand that I pity you if this is true.

Now, if you actually want to perform an act of altruism to make you feel useful, I suggest - you just step aside - and let those who feel feel. Let people discuss the white man, his master, your master - with the kind of limited freedom that so many (like you) lost so much to achieve.

:)

ah man bruh Jui. and I thought I was harsh :jumping:

If it looks like a duck
Walks like a duck
Quacks like a duck….

Study and research the
Wt man’s history of:
lies
Violence/wars
Genocide/slavery
natural resources/land grab’n
destruction of environment
False religions/corrupt politics
Racism

Study ALL this first and
Then ask yourself the question


Revolutionary Luv!!!

Nubian Goddess, I concur 100% sistah :bowdown:

Hotep

Studying "Wt's" history is difficult. You never know what to believe.

There are always things left out. At some point you're forced to fill in the blanks yourself.

Your duck analogy is too simple NG. Wolves have been known to look, walk and talk like sheep.

If it looks like a duck
Walks like a duck
Quacks like a duck….

Study and research the
Wt man’s history of:
lies
Violence/wars
Genocide/slavery
natural resources/land grab’n
destruction of environment
False religions/corrupt politics
Racism

Study ALL this first and
Then ask yourself the question


Revolutionary Luv!!!

Studying "Wt's" history is difficult. You never know what to believe.

There are always things left out. At some point you're forced to fill in the blanks yourself.

Your duck analogy is too simple NG. Wolves have been known to look, walk and talk like sheep.

Greetings juj

So our duck analogy is too simple
and studying wt history is too hard

We have some wonderful "Black" Historians
like Dr. Clarke, and Dr. Ben, for example, who
can help you fill in the blanks.

Besides, wt folks have recorded all their
"evil" deeds along with pictures. They
are known to lie about our history
not theirs.

It takes time and research, which is well
worth it. The Internet is a information
highway...

Greetings to you to NG!

I agree that historians lie about history, but I also believe white history is just as misleading as black history. I'm not saying that studying wt history is "too hard." On the contrary, it's easy ONLY if you're prepared to read between the lines.

Take this paragraph for example:

"The dawn-people seem to have disappeared without memory long before the settlement of the British Isles by the Colossi, who are said in all classical writings to have been the first British race. If the dawn-people survived at all in Britain they would have been found by the Colossi in sparse habitation quietly living in a pastoral economy. And, few in numbers, the dawn-people would have certainly been overwhelmed by the mass migration of the Colossi, who were culturally superior. The British myth of Dwyfan, and the Irish myth of Cesair, both agree that their off-spring, that is, the first post-diluvian inhabitants of the British Isles, that is, the dawn-people, all died in a plague, which opened-up the British Isles to settlement by others. "

Now, if you go to the website I took this from and read the entire article (taking it on face value) you'd never suspect that these "dawn people" may actually be black. But just looking at it as is, doesn't it stirke you as similar to descriptions of white contact in the new world?

The point I'm trying to make is that almost everything you take for granted is untrue (including the notion that wt is the devil).

If you believe what's in your bible you'll be aware of all sorts of TANGIBLE explanations for the existence of a physical, living being walking the earth and causing trouble for the natives. You'd also be aware that we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

I'm dying to put forward my theories here, but I don't want to step on any toes, so you tell me NG, why you believe wt is the devil. Tell me what you think the devil is.

Greetings

So our duck analogy is too simple
and studying wt history is too hard

We have some wonderful "Black" Historians
like Dr. Clarke, and Dr. Ben, for example, who
can help you fill in the blanks.

Besides, wt folks have recorded all their
"evil" deeds along with pictures. They
are known to lie about our history
not theirs.

It takes time and research, which is well
worth it. The Internet is a information
highway...

For my record I'm witnessing something new? What a crock. I'm sure you aren't convinced the character of your thought and attitude is a new light on the horizon. Since you assume I'm White let me use a quote that's quite appropriate to describe the inanity or your claiming to having "something new" from which "your" people will be raised to a new perspective on reality. A line in a Clint Eastwood film was "You're a legend in your own mind." No one I've ever known were foolish enough to form their lips to assert the White man was once divine. That's as superfulous a thought as was once propagated by the Nation of Islam, that the White man was created by a Black scientist. You know Juj, the more you talk, the more evident it becomes what we see in African American culture leaves much to be desired. Men like you will never bring anything that will be advantageous to resolving our plight. You're on the underside of any meaningful activity that's happening to effect change. You can't name one campaign, based on your range of thought having any impact on African American society today. Like I said, you're no more than a broken record playing a song no one's listening to but yourself. You don't represent anyone's future. At best you can represent as a relic of the past. There was a whole lot of dark sanguinous philosphizing in the midst of the Black Power movement. I remember the elegant voices who were sometimes tinged with strains of the degredation of Whites. Men and women who were true activists like Angela Davis, Eldridge Cleaver, Bobby Seale, Maulana Karenga, the creator of Kwanzaa, who've I've known for over twenty years in angry terms often back in the day, when this thing called the Black Power movement began. You see Juj, I'm old school, your conversation makes obvious you are in the area of 30 years old, more or less. Aint no way in the world you're past 45, no way are you in your 50s. Remember, you told me something new was happening. Oh really???? Well, I declare you got something new happening right now, a frame of thinking that only real Blacks groove on. Oh really? Well, I declare. Alright now, go ahead now, you got something new. Okay, put what you got on the table, let's see what your pedigres is. Let's see what community you represent, what individuals you can bring into this discussion. I can bring some folks into this discussion, anytime, anyplace you'd like to put your mouth where your keyboard is. You can't deal with me man, I'm old school, you remember. More than being Black, I'm old school. You better get a hold of yourself telling me you've got something new. You lucky I don't send my son to give you a good old smack on the hand with my ruler kiddo. You call yourself messing with Astro? Are you ought of your mind youngster? I know that's all you are. you're just a kid or a young adult on your way to more knowledge and wisdom.. You're not going to go to grave in the darkness you are presently sunken in. None of the pioneers, "brother", of this thing you call Black consciousness think like you do. Some of them used to, they don't trip like that anymore. But, again, I must remind myself you've got something new :bowdown:

Anyway, as far as me being something other than what I am, at least in the mind of a man who is a legend in his own mind, it's cool for you to keep on trippin' on. Why not, from what I'm reading of your ways of putting things together, it makes a whole lot of sense to me you can't see a guy who thinks like I do being Black. That's cool, I'll be White if you want me to. That's an old one too, by the way, in case you didn't know. Blacks who think progressive or in broader perspectives than the ones who are on a day to day struggle to prove something to the world as far as their color is concerned. I don't have nothing to prove to anybody. I don't have anybody to impress. I don't have to wallow my precious mind in a cess pool of negativity if I choose not to..,....while the mugs soiled in the decaying mass look out with the gooey grimey substance gurgling in their mouths, spitting angrily, you aren't Black, you're not in our condition. That's right, I'm not in your condition and I suppose if were you I might have some doubts as to what racial heritage. Well, keep on keeping, it don't really matter anyway does it, what you think I mean. You get my drift Homey?

Astro........ :jawdrop:


Astro.

Let me tell you the terms.

I'm not muslim (though I sympathize with their plight), I don't associate with most people who call themselves "christian" and I am certainly not one of those people calling themselves jews. It would be productive if you just ask questions rather than attempt to provoke a telling reaction.

For your records.

You are witnessing something new. I am not come to perpetuate the lie that the white man was once divine. I'm here to expose the white "man" for what he truly is - for the first time in convenient history. Arrogant as that may sound, that is exactly how I see it.

I don't care what person X Y or Z said in bygone years. If it sounds similar then those people had some sense. I'm strictly coming with something I personally believe, something forced upon me by the environment I find myself in.

What you call resentment I call observation.

How can I put this? Please accept heartfelt and sincere apologies if my next comment is incorrect, but I don't for a second believe that you are black. You may be able to dupe other people here, but you should already know that you've found someone hard to fool. To begin with, your concerns are far too pragmatic, and your overt attempt to antagonise is elementary. Your original post is so transparent I had difficulty going along with your charade. Also I don't really need to know the details of your past, nor do I want you pandering to my percieved sentiments or those of the more gulliable readership.

If you are indeed black, then what can I say to you? You seem to have the right attitude to succeed in the white man's world. I mean from going over what you've just said I can tell you don't give two hoots about your community. How dare you even attempt to chastize me for opening the eyes of people who have been suffering for years completely unaware of the ACTUAL reasons? Do you think your cold hearted practical, down to earth, worldly, amoral rhetoric is going to save any souls? You're basically telling black people to jump into the fire.

Listen carefully "brother" - I aim to make what I am saying so forceful and clear that as many people as possible get to understand it. If you think you can prevent that with your well oiled imposter act then be my guest. Many tried and have already fallen on their own swords.

You've warned me in vain not to attempt to drag you down. You've done that all by yourself. As far as I am concerned you're sitting on the wrong side of the fence and time's getting short. You sound to me like you have no alternatives, no other options. It's as though you've already accepted that the best there is for you are the spoils of war. Please understand that I pity you if this is true.

Now, if you actually want to perform an act of altruism to make you feel useful, I suggest - you just step aside - and let those who feel feel. Let people discuss the white man, his master, your master - with the kind of limited freedom that so many (like you) lost so much to achieve.

:)

Greetings to you to NG!

I agree that historians lie about history, but I also believe white history is just as misleading as black history. I'm not saying that studying wt history is "too hard." On the contrary, it's easy ONLY if you're prepared to read between the lines.

Take this paragraph for example:

"The dawn-people seem to have disappeared without memory long before the settlement of the British Isles by the Colossi, who are said in all classical writings to have been the first British race. If the dawn-people survived at all in Britain they would have been found by the Colossi in sparse habitation quietly living in a pastoral economy. And, few in numbers, the dawn-people would have certainly been overwhelmed by the mass migration of the Colossi, who were culturally superior. The British myth of Dwyfan, and the Irish myth of Cesair, both agree that their off-spring, that is, the first post-diluvian inhabitants of the British Isles, that is, the dawn-people, all died in a plague, which opened-up the British Isles to settlement by others. "

Now, if you go to the website I took this from and read the entire article (taking it on face value) you'd never suspect that these "dawn people" may actually be black. But just looking at it as is, doesn't it stirke you as similar to descriptions of white contact in the new world?

The point I'm trying to make is that almost everything you take for granted is untrue (including the notion that wt is the devil).

If you believe what's in your bible you'll be aware of all sorts of TANGIBLE explanations for the existence of a physical, living being walking the earth and causing trouble for the natives. You'd also be aware that we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

I'm dying to put forward my theories here, but I don't want to step on any toes, so you tell me NG, why you believe wt is the devil. Tell me what you think the devil is.

Greetings

there can be no end to study and research its a life time adventure...
if one is not satisfied with the results in an area one must press on
to search else where and as you stated one must learn to
"read between the lines" and we must use discernment

now my brotha, we never stated in our post that
the wt races were "devils," per say. We say
study their history, which will show their "true"
nature. We don't believe in this "bible" devil but do
know the difference between "good" and "evil."

For my record I'm witnessing something new? What a crock. I'm sure you aren't convinced the character of your thought and attitude is a new light on the horizon. Since you assume I'm White let me use a quote that's quite appropriate to describe the inanity or your claiming to having "something new" from which "your" people will be raised to a new perspective on reality. A line in a Clint Eastwood film was "You're a legend in your own mind." No one I've ever known were foolish enough to form their lips to assert the White man was once divine. That's as superfulous a thought as was once propagated by the Nation of Islam, that the White man was created by a Black scientist. You know Juj, the more you talk, the more evident it becomes what we see in African American culture leaves much to be desired. Men like you will never bring anything that will be advantageous to resolving our plight. You're on the underside of any meaningful activity that's happening to effect change. You can't name one campaign, based on your range of thought having any impact on African American society today. Like I said, you're no more than a broken record playing a song no one's listening to but yourself. You don't represent anyone's future. At best you can represent as a relic of the past. There was a whole lot of dark sanguinous philosphizing in the midst of the Black Power movement. I remember the elegant voices who were sometimes tinged with strains of the degredation of Whites. Men and women who were true activists like Angela Davis, Eldridge Cleaver, Bobby Seale, Maulana Karenga, the creator of Kwanzaa, who've I've known for over twenty years in angry terms often back in the day, when this thing called the Black Power movement began. You see Juj, I'm old school, your conversation makes obvious you are in the area of 30 years old, more or less. Aint no way in the world you're past 45, no way are you in your 50s. Remember, you told me something new was happening. Oh really???? Well, I declare you got something new happening right now, a frame of thinking that only real Blacks groove on. Oh really? Well, I declare. Alright now, go ahead now, you got something new. Okay, put what you got on the table, let's see what your pedigres is. Let's see what community you represent, what individuals you can bring into this discussion. I can bring some folks into this discussion, anytime, anyplace you'd like to put your mouth where your keyboard is. You can't deal with me man, I'm old school, you remember. More than being Black, I'm old school. You better get a hold of yourself telling me you've got something new. You lucky I don't send my son to give you a good old smack on the hand with my ruler kiddo. You call yourself messing with Astro? Are you ought of your mind youngster? I know that's all you are. you're just a kid or a young adult on your way to more knowledge and wisdom.. You're not going to go to grave in the darkness you are presently sunken in. None of the pioneers, "brother", of this thing you call Black consciousness think like you do. Some of them used to, they don't trip like that anymore. But, again, I must remind myself you've got something new :bowdown:

Anyway, as far as me being something other than what I am, at least in the mind of a man who is a legend in his own mind, it's cool for you to keep on trippin' on. Why not, from what I'm reading of your ways of putting things together, it makes a whole lot of sense to me you can't see a guy who thinks like I do being Black. That's cool, I'll be White if you want me to. That's an old one too, by the way, in case you didn't know. Blacks who think progressive or in broader perspectives than the ones who are on a day to day struggle to prove something to the world as far as their color is concerned. I don't have nothing to prove to anybody. I don't have anybody to impress. I don't have to wallow my precious mind in a cess pool of negativity if I choose not to..,....while the mugs soiled in the decaying mass look out with the gooey grimey substance gurgling in their mouths, spitting angrily, you aren't Black, you're not in our condition. That's right, I'm not in your condition and I suppose if were you I might have some doubts as to what racial heritage. Well, keep on keeping, it don't really matter anyway does it, what you think I mean. You get my drift Homey?

Astro........

LOL

I think I got your drift a couple of days ago, and yes I am younger than you, but only in the flesh.

Look. Obviously I am onto something here. I mean your choice to attack me is artless. You really sound bitter for some unfathomable reason. I can just imagine your red face. I just can't help but think that my rhetoric has touched a raw nerve. What I cannot grasp is what exactly you hope to achieve. You'd even be better off just telling me straight out to keep my lying mouth shut.

Let me enlighten you a little tiny bit. Satan the Devil (subject of this thread) was once divine, ergo all those who accuse the white man of being the devil propagate the myth that the white man was once divine also. Now look, I don't actually like to be right sometimes, but I guess I just can't help it.

Astro. Without knowing my thoughts you yourself say that no one here thinks like me. That is somewhat contradictory to your assertion that I have nothing new to bring to the table. Make your mind up. Tripe or not, my theories are radical enough to be unique in this community.

Now, do we have any more business?

If there is anyone in here that believes the white man is the devil, I pose a question...I've been wondering for quite some time. Does belief make a bi-racial child half devil?

Oh My Goodness !!! All of this time i thought this thread was started by our young Sister, "The Story" ... but it is not! It was started by a different Member, Story, who i don't believe i've read before.

Oh My Goodness !!! I only let this thread remain because i thought it was one of our own youth that was asking it. Oh My Goodness !!! All this time! I even told Brother MANASIAC in the chat room the other night, that our young Sister asked sincerely (i believed) and so i allowed it!

Oh My Goodness !!! Now that i have read it again! The question is what?

Does belief make a bi-racial child half devil?

This is a terrible spirit to bring here, don't do it anymore.

My apologies Family.

Thread closed.

:heart:

Destee