Lesbians and gays are becoming more confident with their way of life in todays community. Gay and lesbian relationships are now sought as heterosexual relationships, but should they be allowed to marry, and adopt children. What is your opinion?

NO !!!!!!

I do agree-----Hell No. If god wanted us to marry same sex there would have only been man, never woman. so why don't some people veiw it like I do. Easy they just want to play god and do what they want to do, but that is why there is so much Aids and other deadly dieases, they are really being punished for their gruesome actions. Of course god is a merciful god, but he also has to get his point across that you cannot sin and let sin be, their will be consequences, and they ain't gonna be pretty.


The deepest of them all
Deepsistasoul

many have looked at it in many ways but i am who i am
so i am what GOD made me to be ........da world is wicked

The way the question was phrased prompted me to select "undecided". I could not select "yes", for I am adamantly opposed to homosexuality itself. I am also opposed to developing a society where such a lifestyle is sanctioned with ceremonies and public acknowledgement and acceptance. However, the question asks if homsexuals should be "ALLOWED" to marry. If there is some jackleg minister or Justice of the Peace out there who would be so low as to marry homosexuals, and the homosexuals are mutually consenting, how can anyone say they should not be "ALLOWED" BY LAW to marry? We have to consider and understand the distinct difference between man's law and Natural (God) Law. Under man's law, if it does not pose a danger to the life, limb, liberty, property or safety of another or others, there is no reason it should be illegal.

Just trying to be as objective as possible. For those who have a definite answer, please support it with reasons. Keep in mind we cannot impose our morals (and I have very high morals personally) on others. We can make suggestions, but we can not force our personal morals (and/or religious beliefs) on others.

Kemetstry-

Unless you don't feel very strongly opposed to homosexual matrimony, you must have some specific reason(s) for believing it should not be legislated.

n a society that has: condoned genocidal slaughter of an indigenous people & subsequent taking of their lands; engaged n wholesale barberic capture and chaining of fellow humans 4 the purpose of exploiting them 4 the remainder of their natural lives; continued 2 disburse an inordinate amount of pain, suffering, misery, & death, primarily 2 ensure a steady market 4 its 'trinkits' globally, i can find no compelling reason y it should b permitted 2 impose a moral standard on any1. i m not sure its possible 4 this society 2 sink any lower n depravity than it already is.

additionaly, i hv seen no cogent argument presented here, other than the biblical 1, of precisely what would b violated by allowing 2 human beings, who happen 2 b of the same sex, and, who claim 2 b n luv w e/o, 2 formalize their union, as opposed to simply living 2gether & engaging n, 4 all intents & purposes, all the behaviors we commonly associate w marriage, which, they will do w or w/o our consent.

i say yes. let them marry.

Well, welcome aboard Doctor Parker from Boringham, Alabama. Good to have you here. Just a few questions for you. How do you suspect it would effect society to have all sorts of openly homosexual married couples parading around everywhere in public? Do you believe it would affect children in any way, perhaps confusing their understanding of their own sexuality?

hi Nia Maishani
1st, let me just say much thnks 4 the warm welcome, esp since we seem 2 b on opp sides of this issue. i wish more of the people who posted at other boards knew how 2 disagree w/o drama & put downs.

my real wish would b that some1 who is nvolved n this alternative lifestyle would comment, & we may hv some somewhere posting or at least viewing this board, but they may fear being stigmatized or hv other reasons 4 not posting. also, i m fully aware that my position is not a popular 1. thats o k. still, i appreciate the way u phrased ur ? s n such a non judgemental manner. not sure i m qualified 2 answer any of them, but i will giv my opinion.

How do you suspect it would effect society to have all sorts of openly homosexual married couples parading around everywhere in public?

actually, i think 'all sorts of openly homosexual couples' r already 'parading around everywhere n public', they just aren t married & aren t always obvious. even amoung todays gen x'ers, some people r still walking around ashamed, embarassed, or fearful of revealing or expressing their sexuality, & i m referring 2 str8 s here as well. i think this is un4tunate. i personally believe that this suppression is the most damaging aspect of homosexuality. i certainly could not begin 2 address the possible consequences 2 society stemming from the observation of any group it deemed unacceptable & i would find any non emperical answers 2 that ?, suppositional, capricious, & suspect. the list of societal maledictions that were predicted, at various times, 2 b its ruination, has included: television; chocolate; airplane travel; rock & roll; & bikini panties. now, while i can personally attest 2 the lethality of several of those, esp that last one, it appears that we hv managed 2 survive.

Do you believe it would affect children in any way, perhaps confusing their understanding of their own sexuality

its difficult 2 imagine anything that children could b xposed 2, that would not hv SOME effect, & yes, children, (& male adults, like myself), r easily confused. so, there is that possibility. however, aren t our children already confused by somewhat larger & more significant issues already?

how about violence. its wrong 2 use violence as a solution 2 ur disagreements. oh, xcept when u r defending the interests of a multinational megalomaniac thats attempting 2 manipulate an environment where some uncooperative people r trying 2 live.

how about the differences n the way adults tell them 2 behave & the examples they set? lets face it, sex & relationships can b confusing 2 grown folk, let alone children. heck, i m still confused! but u know what? i think they can handle it. many of our children already do. children r really keen observers. they r great at picking out little, & sometimes not so little, differences. when they do, they don t usu moralize over it. at least thats been my experience. i just think that there r many, far worse things u can do 2 some1 of the same gender , & society n general, than whats being discussed here. far as i m concerned, disparaging some1 on the basis of their sexual preferences or practices, provided both parties r of age & consenting, is an anachronism.

didn t mean 2 get so long winded on ya (sorry). it is nice 2 meet u, & thanks again 4 the welcome. (great ? s) hey, this is just ONE black mans opinion. whats urs?

NO!!!!!!.......... it's out of place and simply a no no !!
GOD didn't put man & man to be he made man & wo-man ....

No matter how you put it wether you think it is right, wrong, or really couldn't careless this is a very serious issue. Me Myself no matter who thinks what believes that it is not right in the least little bit. If we were to be with someone of the same sex there would have never been woman in the first place. Never to hate or despise some one for their partiular lifestyle, I have nothing against Lesbians or Gays. No matter what I think or say it will never stop people from living their own way. You can burn the bridge but there is always more wood to rebuild, in other words you can shun them, and **** them, etc. but they are still going to do what they please that is just life. So as I close I say sometimes it is best that we go on with our lives instead of trying to change others.

INDEED YA RIGHT BUT IN DA EYES OF GOD HE SEE NO RIGHT
IN THIS ACT ........THEY MAY LIVE DA LIFE STYLE OF SUCH
IN DA END THEY WILL HAVE TO ANSWER TO DA MASTER ABOVE ..

Um, I would like to modify my answer. I don't feel I have the right to say that two gay men or lesbian women cannot marry. Who are they harming besides themselves (arguably)? Whether I like or dislike the idea of two same-sex persons being married should not be relevant. Now on the other hand, the poll question asks whether they should be able to raise a family (meaning children). To that, I answer with an absolute "no". I don't even feel that single people should be able to adopt children/babies, or purchase from the sperm bank. Caucasians should not be allowed to adopt Ebony children/babies. Homosexuals should not be able to adopt. If they don't want to be with anyone they can procreate with, then they don't need to be asking for children.

This is a deep topic. I'm going to try to be brief, something I find difficult doing. First let me welcome Doctor Parker to the Forum

:wave: Haaaaaaaaaay Doctor Parker :wave:

I think that grown folk should be allowed to do whatever they want, that is within the law. Fact of the matter is, they are going to do that anyway. If there is some spiritual price they must pay for this, I'm sure they'll have to give account.

In regard to adopting, with so many babies needing a loving home, I am reluctant to go so far as to say ... they should be forced to live without such love ... in an attempt to keep homosexuals (singles, different cultures/races, etc.) from adopting them.

:heart:

Destee

Destee,

Just speaking hypothetically, suppose something were to happen--God(dess) forbid--that would necessatate your child being placed in foster care, and then she (or he) is adopted by two gay white men. Or two lesbian white women. Do you feel there would be nothing troublesome about that potential arrangement? We may as well leave out any discussion about "loving home", for that is something that can never truly be determined. Let's stick with the idea of your Ebony child being reared by two caucasian homosexuals you don't know. How does that idea sit with you?

Hey Nia ...

Considering this scenario, that I die before my children reach maturity, is something that I (and most Mothers probably) have thought on many times.

It would be my hope that they'd stay with a Family Member (I have a very large Family and 'somebody' would take my babies) ... but if I didn't have this ... and there was a white male / female couple or a white male / male couple or any loving person ... that would take them in and love them as their own, treating them properly ... yes, I would rather this, than my babies not have anyone to love and care for them.

The key here is "take them in and love them as their own, treating them properly" ... in today's world, it can sometimes be difficult to find natural parents doing this for their children ... so I'd imagine the chances are even smaller that you'd find others willing, with their whole heart, to do this ... but I would die believing, hoping and trusting God, that He'd watch out for my babies, regardless of the situation they are placed in.

The troublesome part is that I've died and am not here to raise my own babies. If God has saw fit to allow this situation to come into existence, if He was gracious enough to let my babies be born, giving us the time we had, if He was all seeing and all knowing ... aware of the end before the beginning ... then I would trust Him on my death bed, to continue to bless as He always has ... even if that means my babies are placed in situations you've described above.

My hope would be in God then, as it is every single day.

In regard to leaving out the "loving home" part, I find it difficult to do that. Adopting, raising, being responsible for someone else's child is no small matter. People don't usually do this with selfish reasons in mind. It's a great sacrifice. While I understand that there are some who are not motivated by a sincere desire to help and love the child ... I don't personally know any and would die hoping that my babies have a "loving home."

Did I answer your questions? :)

:heart:

Destee

simply it's forbidden under the eyes of GOD !
he didn't make man & man but man & woman
that's his way and so is mines
what is wrong wit our world ??????? unthinkable .

it's a NO ! NO !

They can't. When marriage was created/ordained by the CREATOR, it was done with man and woman. So in essence what two men/two women are doing is just playing house, no matter who say's otherwise. Truth is just that.....truth.

Slavery was allowed/legal also, was it not?

Well well well-----

This is a hot topic indeed, now on the subject of adoption my opinion is stated below.

there have been many excuses for babies being literally thrown away. oh she's too young----oh she's a single mother----opps couldn't keep her legs close and wasn't ready for a child. Whatever!! it is not the childs fault, and it is simply ridiculous that adoption should have to happen. Unless both parents die, adoption is basically unneccesary. I mean how stupid can you sound, "I love my child, enough to give her a better life," um what better life can she/he have than to know who her/his real mother and/or father is and that they are loved. in other cases the father does not want the child so adoption takes place. this is also unnecessary. Not wanting a child is like not wanting a part of you---basically go cut your heart out and see if you can live without it. So therefore the point is how do you think that child is going to feel when they are told one day your mother/father didn't want you. that is like a spear through the heart being twisted while inside. there is no excuse for giving up a child---none. government assistance is for support for single(which I also disagree with) mothers. swallow your pride and deal with it until you can get on your feet, that is if you are trying. A child should not be a burden but a gift, not just something you can decide wether or not you want. that is like saying oh sorry but I don't want brain today can you take it for me please. give me a break and a half, even if I was a 12 year old girl ignorant to mother hood, I would not give up my child, it is the struggle I would have to endure would only be a lesson to me, and it would be well learned. wouldn't see me on tv whining about how much I loved my baby and blah de blah de blah. Now as for gays and lesbian adopting, what kinda of balderdash is that. two mothers, two fathers, need I say more. I tell you I am getting a headache. so as I close this little shindig I say
Lord Have Mercy.

The deepest of them all.
DEEPSISTERSOUL

wow...I am late on this but I feel it deeply to say yes...let them marry...

I am actually doing extensive research on this topic right now! for various reasons....and boy am I stumbling upon things I never thought I would...

Homosexuality...and what the Bible really says about it....hhmmm

someone point out the exact scripture that states male-male homogenital acts as an abomination...and I can continue...

I know it is in the book of Romans. I'll try and find it and get back to ya.

peace everyone....

Ok..I like I said....know have been studying this topic critically...I know exactly where it is...

my first question is...how do you read your Bible's? literally or historically-critical? the easy or the hard way? whose right? whose wrong? the Bible or our interpretations?

every and anyone hollers out quickly, it's in the Bible and wrong! but don't know where...I am against picking and choosing...and only using selective passages to pacify one's uncomfortableness...

that goes for racism...sexism...and homophobia...

male-male homogenital acts Are mentioned several times...
I have not read Anything about lesbians anywhere in the entire Bible....why? condemn one and not the other?

What does sexuality mean to you?

The story of Sodom is about the most famous one in the Bible when dealing with homosexuality...Genesis, chapter 19:1-11

then, Leveticus 18:22, Leviticus 20:13

The prohibition of male-male sex occurs only in The Holiness Code of Leviticus and no where else. Does everyone know what the Holiness Code means? Lev 18:22

Romans 1:18-32

verse 27 is Clearly referring to male acts...
26 is said to be of lesbianism....i don't know...i am still studying

I will leave this hear to soak in and allow questions if any...I am still studying in effort to prepare a definitive essay and comparrison of the opposing views of homosexuality...

~Story

Did I ever introduce myself....I don't remember...
Well, my name is Story...
I am you...I am he...I am she...
I am a voice...
When you look in the mirror...it's me thta you see
I guess you could say...
That I have multiple personalities...because...
I am one...but I am many...does that make me schizophrenic?

My feet hurt...from walking in all the shoes of my characters....
I am everyone because...I write from all perspectives...like they are from me....

Black...white...asian...hispanic...young...old...m ale...female...hetero...homo...single mother...single father...preacher's wife...preacher's daughter....homeless...rich...middle class...prep school product...remedee-al skool produckt...

I am a voice...I am forever pregnant...and all I do, is give birth to stories...that carry the voice of humanity...I am a story...that never ends...

I feel your pain...
I feel your joy...
I am your tears...
I am your smile...
I am

~Story
I invite you into me...although...I am already inside of you...

Thank you Story, for offering that citation (Romans 1:18-32). Clearly, speaking against the unnatural sexual acts of the gentiles, specifically, homosexuality.

Now, I have two questions for you. I will preface by stating that I am very much open-minded when it comes to spiritual matters, and read the Bible, Qu'ran, Bhagavad-Gita and other Vedic texts, and anything else I might find useful. I take from them what I find to be Truth based on my own experience, analysis and understanding, and that which is or can be of benefit.

Questions:

1. Do you accept the message of the Bible (specifically, that found in Romans 1)?
2. How do you define "homophobia"?

I would like to address more of what you have posted, but time does not permit at the moment. More later. Thank you for the dialogue.

peace Story.

really, all you would need is nature to explain to you how unfruitful, unparralel and inane homosexuality or lesbianism really is.

one does not need to have a ph.d in theology or be a madd scientist to see the chemistry a man and woman naturally have just by their physical make ups alone.

Didn't you know that the Bible is just one of the spiritual books that condemn homosexuality?
So why do you set it apart?

you said "....i have not read anything about lesbianism in the entire Bible....."
using a little common sense, you would put two and two together and say if God condemns 2 men, then ding :idea: he condemns 2 women.
not hard at all.
In fact it does mention it. i would definitely find verse.

i'm saying it's wrong by the criteria of nature alone w/o the mention of beliefs.
Now the sun needs the moon but if the moon was gay, where would it get light?
it may sound funny, but just answer it.


peace be...
jh.

peace Jh....

okkk.....on the nature thing....i hate to put a pin in this balloon BUT...most scientists have studiously avoided the topic of widespread homosexual behavior in the animal kingdom--sometimes in the face of undeniable evidence....now I was lightly aware of animal homosexuality but had no idea how wide and enthusiatically animals engage in it...or that it is Actually Documented....but we have scientists...that I guess if are not gay will not speak up......

of course we don't know what Really goes on in an animals head and if they, too, are choosing to be an abomination towards God but...Mainstream zoologists are shocked and alarmed by "queer" activities as male lions head-rubbing and rolling with each other, or male whales caressing each other with fins...but I will delve farther into that...are animals in hell?

all I will say, unless more questions arise is that...there is a sadness in all of this. People oppose and abuse homosexual men and women for being different, odd, strane....Gays are disowned by their families, fired from jobs, evicted from homes, beaten and killed, insulted by public figures...and the list goes on and on...all in the name of REligion...when in my opinion which no one has to agree with...the Holiness Code of the Jews was null and void once Jesus delivered us on the cross....

~Story
against racism, sexism...homophobia...and any other isms.....

God will judge people's heart....their physical will only return to the dust from which it came....

love your wife and don't hate him for loving his gay son....

she can do whatever she wants...a woman's strength is imeasurable...

our mind uses our skin color to seperate us when we are more alike than unalike....

Heyyyyyyyy...

What about my two questions (as well as j'hiah's one question), story?

In response to your "animal homosexuality" info., I have this to say:

Just because homosexuality may be widespread in the animal (or even human) kingdom, does not mean it is a natural or healthy practice.

By the way, I like your synopsis, j'hiah.

Animals, perhaps even more so than humans, are DEVIANT in many ways, from what is natural. I have seen a dog trying to mate with a cat; that is PROBABLY a widespread thing. PROBABLY, many animals commit sexual acts against infant animals, just as many sickos in the human kingdom commit sexual acts against infants and children. Animals do all sorts of wacked things (drinking their urine, licking their own genitals, etc.). Some humans drink urine, eat other animals and humans, have sex with other species, etc. Anything you can name that is "widespread" within the animal kindgom, you can bet is widespread in the human kingdom. That does not make it natural or healthy.

Deviant sexual behavior is unnatural and unhealthy, period!

I don't condemn the homosexual PERSON, but I DO condemn the homosexual acts. It is all about will and self-discipline.

thanx Nia. my sentiments exactly.

Story, you really need to think before you reply again.

And Mike gets the tag from Kem and climbs into the ring...:rolleyes:

Fam, put me down as a NO!

We can talk about this all day, and all night, and--for some--they will stand where they stand--and I will stand where I stand. If someone wants to be a FOOL--let them!

Like one pastor once said: "Sometimes, ya just have to let SOME folk--DIE!"

Hmmm--I read something about 'beastiality' here under this topic. Well, just to bring you up to speed, in the Middle East, in an Islamic country, a man was sentenced to 300 lashes for mating with a camel! This happened VERY recently. Islamic law is VERY strict about Homosexuality, and so is the Koran and the Hadith.

But, those books are ALSO very strict about how WOMEN should be treated. In THOSE two books, women are regarded as little more than 'walking uteruses'. The Islam you find in Western countries is NOTHING like the Islam you find in the Middle East.

Now, WHY use the biblical definition? Well, that is the book the Christian is bound by! And, the standard, God's standard. God gave man and woman the ability to make choices...as well as other men and women WARNING them about their choices. God is merciful...but Jesus Christ ain't stupid. If you PLAY you PAY!

The sad thing about homosexuality and lesbianism is that FOLK DON'T GET TO SEE THE TRUE PICTURE BECAUSE TOO MANY FOLK IN THE PRESS AND IN HOLLYWOOD ARE PRACTICING THE SAME SINS! Have you EVER seen an UGLY lesbian or 'gay' man on television or in films. Eeeeehhhhh Naw!

Oh, and about that post concerning all the government payments and welfare and the like on 'single' parents. Well, to be honest, the Homosexual and lesbian communities have 'taken over' blood banks, government health research, managed to 'arm twist' companies to come up with 'domestic partner medical plans', corrupted the Civil Rights movement, and 'started' the quest on the issue of 'domestic violence'.

I'll make a few more points...which can be backed up by Internet research....so YOU do the work, I already have!

*The highest incidences of domestic violence take place in gay/lesbian relationships.

*Homosexual/lesbian relationships are NOT monogomous...meaning, in order to have a 'true' marriage, one has to be loyal to their 'spouse' . Multiple sex partners are the NORM of homosexuality/lesbianism...NOT the exception...this from GAY publications. (The More, the Merrier)

*There is NO cure for AIDS, and never will be as the virus mutates rapidly. It STILL costs 150,000 a year to care for an AIDS infected person. Homosexuality and lesbianism is a choice, not a disease...but it CAN lead to diseases!

*The only way the union can produce offspring is based upon who's sperm can be stolen, or who's child can be 'pirated' from foster homes, unwed mothers, or adoption centers.

*In England, folk are SO mad over lesbians making sperm withdrawls from sperm banks that many men are refusing to donate (Reuters news item).

*Last but not least, kids from these unions are malajusted, confused, and likely to attempt all kinds of crimes, as well as suicide (Law Enforcement).

I would DARE say that there is nothing GAY in being GAY! And, I don't care who is/is not in the closet. Truth is still truth. Nuff said!

Any takers?

Mike Ramey

lol...here i am...Nia
Questions:

1. Do you accept the message of the Bible (specifically, that found in Romans 1)?
2. How do you define "homophobia"?


1-I accept the biblical message of the bible...but I also take in three things...the vocabulary,...structure of the passage...and the overall plan of the letter to the Romans...

2-homophobia....is a seriously over-glorified fear of same-sex relationships....fear of the unknown...so it's "nasty" "unclean" ...with no real justification...when people pick and choose what things in the Bible to follow....

and....ummm...j'hia....stated the animal thing and how they are SO Natural....nature and it being unfruitful....which is sort non-sense because all animals do not need a mate to re-produce....


but that's all....the point is...some people are left handed...some are right...some are black...some are white....some are hetero...some are homo....

everyone has their own belief.....

Homphobia was a term invented by Homosexuals in order to silence their critics. :eek: The same way WE often tell some one to 'talk to the hand...'

Everyone DOES have a right to choose...but they DON'T have the right to make everyone else pay for THEIR choice! The drunk has a right to drink...and even the right to drive. BUT, if they crash into someone exercising their 'rights', they make someone else pay the tab for their 'freedom'.

The husband or wife who cheats on their spouse can 'exercise' their 'right' to par-tay. BUT, when they bring an STD (or a baby) home to their spouse, does their spouse have the 'right' to pay for their 'freedom'?

If you have children, they have the 'right' to a safe, secure childhood. The child molester, the murderer, the con-people feel they have a right to make your child their victim. If your child is victimized, would YOU exercise your 'right' to blow the offender's brains out? Or, would you let the law exercise society's right to lock that person up who victimized your child...lock them up AND throw away the key?

Where rights exist...also exists responsibility.

Mike Ramey

Like any sin under the heavens lesbianism and homosexuality is an abomination to the Lord as well as fornication murder, no sin is greater than the other, but it is very sad if people result to same sex relationships because of past hurts with the opposite love. However I think it is totally wrong and I feel like a sin like that can be avoided because their are too many people of the opposite sex that a person can find instead of getting someone of the same sex. That is just my view and my oppiomion does not hold water, haha but God's word is what really matters, and God made Male and Female to get together.

Peace

"...all animals do not need a mate to reproduce."

irrelevant.
name 2 male animals that can reproduce from each other.

by the way, how did you get here??

do you have 2 biological dads?
if it wasn't for your your father's sperm and your mother's egg, you wouldn't be able to say this ignorance i'm seein'. (no pun)

Jesus did say judge the tree by the fruit it bears.
if it doesn't bear fruit, then what good is it to/for people?
under normal circumstances, one would burn it.

you said .."the point is... some people are left handed... some are right.. some are black... some are white... some are homo.... some are hetero..."

again, let's go over this.
(1) left handedness/right handedness.
not by choice

(2)black skinned/ white skinned
not by choice

(3)homosexual/ heterosexual
choice... choice... choice

i don't understand why you don't understand.

same here@ j'hiah....your ending...but that early statement stems from Your original post on animals...

but this conversation can and will go on forever...

i'm not judgemental....we are all entitled to believe what we want...

Story, I thank you for your response. I would like to issue a brief reply, distinguished with ALL CAPS.

Originally posted by story
2-homophobia....is a seriously over-glorified fear of same-sex relationships....fear of the unknown...so it's "nasty" "unclean" ...with no real justification...

NASTY/UNCLEAN. UH.....

FECAL MATTER ON THE PENIS???
:puke:
:puke:
:puke:

OVER-GLORIFIED "FEAR". UH...

I CAN HONESTLY SAY THAT I DO NOT "FEAR" HOMOSEXUALS OR HOMOSEXUALITY. ADMITTEDLY HOWEVER, I DO FEAR FOR THE HOMOSEXUAL, AS I KNOW THAT HIS/HER BEHAVIOR IS SELF-DESTRUCTIVE, AND A LARGE CONTRIBUTING FACTOR TO THE DECADENCE OF SOCIETY. I ACTUALLY FEEL SORRY FOR, ESPECIALLY THE MALE HOMOSEXUAL. THEY ARE A SLAVE TO A VILE SICKNESS THAT IS APPARENTLY DIFFICULT TO CONQUER.

FEAR OF THE UNKNOWN. UH...

TWO SAME-SEX FREAKS TRYING TO MIMIC ACTS DESIGNED FOR OPPOSITE SEX UTILIZATION. WHAT IS "UNKNOWN" ABOUT IT?


when people pick and choose what things in the Bible to follow....

I PERSONALLY DO NOT PICK AND CHOOSE WHAT TO FOLLOW FROM THE BIBLE. I CHOOSE WHAT TO FOLLOW BASED ON WHAT COMES FROM MY NATURAL INSTINCT, AND MY INHERENT KNOWLEDGE OF RIGHT AND WRONG.

There's plenty of UGLY homosexuals in hollywood. Ellen Degenerate. Pee Wee Hormone. Just to name a couple.

You have me laughing out loud:lol: you are so right... why go out of your way to do somehting unnatural, while the natural way of loving; the way God wants us to love is rewarding and you get a prize a wonder child from the union of love and that could never happen in same sex marriages. Hint Hint if you can't have children from the same sex your not suppose to do it to the same sex.

but love is placed in handz of misfits
so many feel it's good but i know as forth
our Father say it's not to be ......sad and shamless acts

The scripture from Romans have been bantered about, but since I believe what the Word says then I must choose to adhere by the Word. We have called out the scripture but let us look at what it says:

Romans 1:21

Because that, when they knew God, they glorified [him] not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.

1:22
Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,

1:23
And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.

1:24
Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:

1:25
Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

1:26
For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:

1:27
And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

1:28
And even as they did not like to retain God in [their] knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;

1:29
Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,

1:30
Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,

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Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:

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Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.


You can try to dress it up...but this act is against the Word of God....Now if you don't profess to be a christian then this word means nothing to you, but many homosexuals profess to be a christian, but cannot accept a God who does not agree with theit choice in lifestyle. They instead say that you can't take the word literally, or God didn't mean that...He means what his Word says! We tend to think being a christian and salvation is just a walk in the park, but it is a discipline and a way of life that the creator demands....but the bottom line the choice is yours to make, we don't have a heaven or hell to put anybody in, that's up to God....But answer me this, why is it when folks who are in the misdt of their sins, any sins...when theyget tripped up by their sin, why is it then they want to turn the God and the bible...Then they want to ask for forgiveness.....then the want the church to pray for them, when it fact.....you had the God's rule book in front of you all the time....again this is to all the folks who profess to be christian, yet not trying to possess the attributes.......

Now folks are going to do whatever they want...but that's between them and their god. As Joshua said, as for me in my house will serve the Lord.

wow...I wasn't going to go back to this because I couldn't believe how much mental energy I was expending to remove the blanket from eyes on homosexuality and the bible...especially people I don't know....but we can disagree without being disagree-able...

I will say this...because I feel strongly for the people that have died by the hands of "Christians" for no reason...every point that has been stated here in opposition hasn't been backed up...especially the nature one...but here goes...take it as you will...

There are six major passages and few minor references that seem to denounce homosexuality. The Bible does not condemn gay sex as we understand it today. Those who seek to know outright if gay or lesbian sex is good or evil . . . will have to look elsewhere for an answer. God is love...and since He created everyone the way they are...He loves them just the way they are.

Believing that the translation of the Bible they use consists of the inerrant word of God, some Christians cite a handful of passages to justify their condemnation of homosexuality. But historical biblical scholarship holds that these believers' conception of inerrancy is naively based, for English versions of the originally Hebrew and Greek scriptures are rife with problematic translations. Some scholars further maintain that the supposedly antihomosexual passages are not blanket condemnations of homosexual persons and acts. Indeed, in some cases, these verses aren't about homosexuality at all; they meant quite different things to those for whom they were first written, peoples whose social conceptions of sexuality were vastly different from ours. The very word "homosexual" didn't come about until the nineteenth century which makes it highly unlikely that the concept as we understand it even existed when the Bible was written.

A Christian only has to read Romans to learn that unrighteousness and uncleanness are two different things. The New Testament makes it clear that unrighteousness is inherently wrong, while uncleanness is not. And Paul clearly identifies homosexuality as uncleanness (Romans 1:26-27). We cannot honestly conclude from scripture, then, that homosexuality is wrong....It would take an in depth lesson in theology, anthropology, and languages to enlighten all the condemners of homosexuality...but they probably wouldn't listen anyway....except for those individuals, not affraid to learn, not affraid to actually open their minds to something different,

By looking at paralell examples of the ways in which certain words are used it becomes clear that the writers were not using the expressions in the way we understand them today. The New Testiment opposition to homosexuality depends entirely on the translation of the Greek word arsenokoitai, a word that apparently was never used by a non-Christian writer.

why do well-meaning Christians still argue that the Bible says homosexuality is wrong? I suggest that there are at least four reasons. First, the Bible has been mistranslated, and second, we read what we've been taught into scripture. Third, many Christians don't understand important Biblical concepts, such as uncleanness. And finally, people cling to their opinions so zealously that they even end up reinterpreting God's Word to avoid changing their own minds.

~Story
..............................i think i'm done....maybe this will save someone...

Nia,

I'm sorry I missed your response....fecal matter on the penis...I hate to laugh...but that has had my mind boggling for quite some time...

If a man and woman perform anal sex, does that make him have homosexual tendencies? is not fecal, fecal? ...or Ms. Khai and her tossin salad self... huh neck and huh back!

I can not blame any of you for you view of the homo lifestyle...because it is only the negative you see...sadly...never see the gay parents that have adopted 6-7 HIV or drug addicted children that no one else wants to give a chance...

I don't know if it is the majority or not...but the clubbers, drinkers, and druggists....are seen up close and personal...while the ones that do "regular" things like work, school, direct choirs, raise children are invisible...have invisible lives...

not saying you fear the person....noooo....no one should fear any man/woman....just fear that what you have believed your entire life may be a mis-interpretation....

what is a freak in 2002???

Anal sex increases a risk of diseases period , can you imagine giving oral sex to a nasty penis that just came out of the buttocks. There is proof that the vagina is cleaner than your mouth and has less bacteria. The *** is a completly differnt story fecal matter is getting into your mouth or your digestive system,salmonella,hepatitis A, B all kinds of junk is in the Dookie stuff.

Dookie is nasty male or female eek!

YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT!!!!!!!!!!!!!


I would hope no woman nor man...places a ding-ding in their mouth if it just came out of they're behind!!!

ok, that's just darn gross.....I wasn't quite thinking of it like that...lol...yuck...I don't do the anal thing the very thought of it is painful....but that's irrelevant!

I don't know how other women do it either...or men...this has me remembering "Queens of Comedy" Monique's ...take on it

I have not seen that video anywhere in stores for sale or for rental, girl tell me where I can get a copy Please!!:lol:

Now, folk can call me 'unsympathetic' if they want, but I find it interesting that a drunk, a wife beater, a husband beater, a dope addict, a thief, or an aduteress/adulterer do not EACH have a PR arm going, 24/7 trying to 'justify' their lifestyle. Even smokers don't have the PR machinery running to justify what they do, or who they are.

Folk are more 'intollerant' of smokers, yet I have never seen a Kool cigarette driving down a street drunk, and kill a bunch of people.

Homosexuality and lesbianism are both killers!

The Gay and Lesbian medical association recently released, on August 26th, their survey of ailments associated with both 'gay' lifestyles to their OWN members. The medical price tag for this so-called 'enlightened' lifestyle has depression, anxiety, addiction and a host of other ailments...including STDs and Anal Warts for men, and increased Brest Cancer for women...attached to it.

You can find that information at http://traditionalvalues.org. Both items are listed by the Traditional Values Coalition. Each item is listed as: Ten Things Gay (or Lesbian Women) Men Should discuss with their health care providers.

Bottom line, this is NOT a natural act, nor an act of love. Homosexuality is an act of perversion, and so is lesbianism.

You may like it, but I don't...and WE will have to agree to disagree. But, WHY should I PAY for someone else's 'forray' into the perverted.

Mike Ramey

hey girlie!

I don't know what city you're in but....I know in my neck of the woods I can't find a video store much less the video! lol...

I use Netflix- www.netflix.com

for $20/ month you can rent as many DVD's you want with no due date and you don't pay for shipping! I didn't look to see if they have VHS I'm sure they do.....only catch is you can only have out 3 at a time....but still you have a list of movies that you make...when you return one you get what's next on your list!

I think I'm in love....I a am a movie junkie!!! let me know if you're interested, I have a friend code for a free trial....story@ureach.com

DVD's hhhhmmmm... I must get one of those wonderful toys. My CD-Rom is broken right now and I am in route to replacing it but I am trying to search around town for a good deal, so far $40 bucks is the lowest price. My sound is so screwed up I can't hear a thing on this computer:lol: as soon as it's up and running I will run straight to $$RICH's$$ poem so I can hear his voice, I have over looked many comments about his poetry with sound. Getting back to the DVD thang, girl I can't wait to start viewing movies on my computer. When I get the chance to see It I will let you know. I never knew they had the QUEENS of Comedy:toast: fo sho I will be viewing that one ASAP!!

Story, in response to your comments, if you too belive that anal intercourse is disgusting, and that fecal matter on the penis is as well, then using inductive reasoning, you must overstand that homosexual acts are disgusting. It does not take a genius to figure that anyone having anal intercourse as their normal sexual routine, no doubt alternates anal with oral, not taking the time to hit the shower in between (come on now, you know they move from one act to the other, just as heterosexuals move from one position to the next in the heat of passion, and even from oral to vaginal in the heat of passion).

In answer to your question, I believe that anal intercourse is deviant sexual behavior, regardless of whether a man is sodomizing another man or a woman. Whether a man is the sodomizer or the sodomizee, he is still HOMOsexual if he is having sexual relations of any sort with another man.

I have heard reports from both men and women from prisons, who have argued that although there is homosexual contact among inmates, it is not because they are actually homosexual, but because they need that human contact, and that affection that they are robbed of by being unnaturally isolated from the opposite sex for an unreasonably extended period. To a point, I can overstand that argument. It IS in fact unnatural for a man to go for an exhorbitant amount of time with no affection reciprocated with a woman, and likewise, it is unnatural for a woman to go for an exhorbitant length of time with no affection receiprocated with a man. However, some of those misfits in prisons use that situation as an opportunity to act on their own deviant proclivities.

My beliefs about homosexuality, are not beliefs I have held my "whole life". They are beliefs that developed alongside the development of the sexual deviancy I have observed over the past decade or so, as homosexuality has "come out of the closet" as a "movement". Regardless of what anyone else thinks about it (including my parents, friends, the media, etc.), my common sense, my natural instinct, tells me that homosexuality is the WRONG WAY.

Just yesterday, I attended an outdoor party that was hosted by a lesbian who also happens to be a social justice activist. She is someone whom I respect as a person, and whom I believe is a basically good person. Many homosexual friends of hers were present at the party. I do not dislike people because of their sexual preference/orientation, but I do dislike and disagree with that aspect of their lifestyles. I will have no part of that lifestyle, but will still respect the person as a person, and especially (in this example) as a social justice advocate. So I can actually "like" a person who happens to be homosexual, but do not expect me to like, condone or agree with their choice of sexual behaviors. And the behaviors ARE in fact a CHOICE (regardless of what they may argue to the contrary).

Lastly, although I am fully cognizant of the fact that the Bible has been mistranslated in many ways, I would not use that fact as support for the absurd notion that homosexuality may simply be "unclean" yet not unrighteous. Whether the Bible tells us so or not, homosexuality is not only unclean, but UNRIGHTEOUS, UNNATURAL, AND UNGODLY! But the homosexual person has the FREE WILL to save him/herself from such an abomination.

Religion or nay, I personally cannot fathom (and I have tried) how any woman on this green Earth could not find pleasure and satisfaction from sharing love (mentally, physically and spiritually) with a MAN. I am fully perplexed that such a natural, beautiful yet basic phenomenon would go over the head, away from the heart, and in opposition to the spirit of any wombman. I am at a loss to figure out how a man could not take pleasure in sharing love (mentally, physically and spiritually) with a woman, yet would take pleasure in the company of and in copulating with another man. There is clearly a sickness there for any human being who would be so twisted as to desire and seek that which is so OBVIOUSLY backward, wrong, unnatural, unrighteous and ungodly. They need help, and it is up to us to try and help to liberate them from their illness, by condemning their sick mindsets and behaviors!

CAST YOUR VOTES!!!

I think you and Story are on the same page, I agree with you both

LOL...i'm in too good a mood to get riled up in here!

excuse my french but hell yeah...I don't want NO ding ding up in my behind....

Whether the Bible tells us so or not, homosexuality is not only unclean, but UNRIGHTEOUS, UNNATURAL, AND UNGODLY! But the homosexual person has the FREE WILL to save him/herself from such an abomination.

whether the Bible tells us or not????? then that's YOU'RE views...not God's....if the Bible didn't tell it...then it's not written! yes...everyone has free will....the only thing I think could be a choice is acting on the desire...homo or hetero....you're attracted to who you're attracted to...just as in pre-marital hetero sexual activity...it's our choice....

but i don't know if that makes the sistah next door to me a phreak and her man have homo-tendencies....

I am in no position to call someone else UnGodly....that's all I'm saying...no position whatsoever...I only said that people always quick to say that and have no solid foundation to stand....I have yet to meet a person that has met God and God told them..."Hey that group...yeah...the gay ones....tell to go to hell!!! Those sick bastards make me sick...I made a MISTAKE when I made them..."

is not all of our destiny's in HIS hands...already written before WE even figure it out...

neither..."hight, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to seperate us from the love of God."

Was not Jesus speaking to homosexuals too when he said "Whosever will come after me, lethim deny himself, and take up is Cross"

there was no such thing (word-wise) before the 19th century as homosexuality...

oh lawd...here i go....blame my insatiable quest to be fare to everyone...and believing that God does love us all...for my ranting...I won't tell my gay family member's or friends they're going to hell...I will do no such thing....and still call myself they're friend...

A Chocolate bar up the A-hole is not my desire and I don't take it from back there, that is a turn off if a man approach me with that. That is gross,nasty,unGodly because imagine the nasty female problems a woman couls have of they did that mess, the term slippery when wet was meant for P_ _ _ y not A_ _ , can you imagine leaking from the A _ _ if you leak from your *** than all kinds of **** will flow and **** verses vaginal secretions, hmmm I think **** smells a lot coming from a healthy individual, what man would love to put his hands in **** and pull his fingers to his nose, and say ahhh!! the smell of dookie, if he is out there he is a super freak I could not handle honey. But a man that can put his fingers in the correct area(vagina)he will smell the area that is correct because that is a smell he will love, I don't think anyone loves **** scented covers,undies,fingers...What kind of age do we live in and if anyone loves fecal scent they have to be deranged. It stinks for a reason and it would alert anyone in their right minds that they are in the wrong place because the stinky scent of feces is a reminder from God and those who ignore that foul smell... will get something foul on their willie...

hey destee many thanks 4 the warmest welcome. i also agree that grown folk shld b allowed 2 do as they wish :)

i apologize 4 it taking me soooooooo long 2 recognize & thank u 4 ur warm welcome. i thought the topic had closed & had stopped checking it. i ll b on the lookout 4 some other thread where u post & holler at u then.

thanks again ;)

I agree with you that grown up can and will do what they want to do but we were asked our opinions and we just wanted to share our opinions, my words don't hold water, only God's word does, and if God can't change a person I sure won't try. That is their life and they live it how they want.

Originally posted by Abisha
hmmm I think **** smells a lot coming from a healthy individual, what man would love to put his hands in **** and pull his fingers to his nose, and say ahhh!! the smell of dookie, if he is out there he is a super freak I could not handle honey.

But a man that can put his fingers in the correct area(vagina)he will smell the area that is correct because that is a smell he will love, I don't think anyone loves **** scented covers,undies,fingers...

What kind of age do we live in and if anyone loves fecal scent they have to be deranged. It stinks for a reason and it would alert anyone in their right minds that they are in the wrong place because the stinky scent of feces is a reminder from God and those who ignore that foul smell... will get something foul on their willie...

I am sitting here crying with laughter upon reading this; I'm not trying to poke fun at anyone's *ahem* personal business, but that mess Abisha just wrote was strictly standup, and y'all gotta admit it. I actually believe SHE is the one who is deranged, for writing such craziness, but don't tell her I said so.

"...pull his fingers to his nose, and say ahhh!! the smell of dookie..."

The woman is in need of help, yo.

All joking aside, though this is heresay, I have heard many stories of a certain segment of the population (not necessarily homo or hetero) that is turned on by feces and urine as well. I have been told tales of doctors and nurses getting together at private parties and spreading feces on cookies and getting a sexual thrill from such activity. :puke: And I'm sure we have all heard of the sexual perverts who enjoy having a partner urinate or defecate on them. Taking masochism to a new level. No doubt all those such perverts feel their proclivities are perfectly normal. :rolleyes:

Abisha...You crazy......But I'm loving you.

As I said before, Homosexuality is a 'doorway' (like adultery, drunkenness) to something EVEN worse.

For those who think this stuff is OK, well...I pray that your children, grandchildren, or children of friends are not victimized by folk that 'practice' this 'lifestyle' choice. (www.sbministries.com or .org. A former homosexual who repented of this lifestyle states that HE was 'turned out' as a child...and had sex with over 100 men...and was turned right by the power of Jesus Christ...and, since HE has LEFT this sin behind ((pardon the pun)) he is regarded as a traitor and targeted for assassination and gossip)

MOST perverts will LOOK for kids to practice their freak on!

And, they will look for YOUR kids!

*One of the tactics they use are their positions of authority. Earlier this year, it was reported that a female teacher, and her friend, a female vice principle, checked out whether or not female students were wearing THONG panties to a school social event, by LIFTING UP their SKIRTS and checking--in FULL PUBLIC VIEW.

*Or, how about the 'strip search' of boys at one elementary school by a male administrator at another school, because 'someone' reported 'losing' some money in a classroom.

*Or, the recent open air, body cavity search by Georgia prison officials of young, black, male juvenile offenders, in prison, in front of older inmates AND the passing public, AND female guards?:eek:

Sure, these people were 'disciplined' but, cmon!:argue: :bomb:

Is YOUR child's virture going to be the COST of someone's lifestyle 'choice'?
:flame:

Mike Ramey

My point is I have never thought about( A_ s )sex but the more I think aobut it the nastier it seems:toast:

My point is I don't understand that kind of love or sex , have never expereinced that kind of love or sex and don't wish to . I don't understand or wish to because I am a Christian and have been trained from a child that kind of behavior is wrong, for the same sex to ***.:puke:

I can not visualize same sex:puke: fuking and God does not want to see that behavior. All unauthorized sex is sin, not just same sex but fornication, adultry and:puke: molesting kids and there are other sins that will land a person in :flame:hell too,like liars murders,child pornography the :grin:devil is behind this deviant sex because it becomes and ungodly addiction,and etc. One thing leads to another, strange sex, leads to :weird:strange drugs, then strange :oops:diseases, Hell some people get into :jumping:animals when homosexuality is no longer enough, what next ?Will they go to the moon and find an unknown plant for stranger sex?

I have heard in the Bible where God told couples to marry if they fornicate, because it is better to marry than to burn in lust, but never has he given permission for homosexuality in any case it is a violation to God, married or unmarried.

:cry: I feel sorry for the children that must come up in this world now , where anal sex is the norm and God's way of having sex is out. God said in the last daze the( things are right will be called wrong) and (the things that are wrong will be called right). I see that in your statement and Nia you are something else :toast: :lol:

Bishop, I tell you the truth Bro. I never thought about it really until the topic came up, you **** is what we flush down the toilet, not spread on our bodies like sunscreen!!! Dayum!! Bishop I haven't heard of this stuff on Jerry:lol::kiss: :heart: :kiss: Luv U 2 Bishop:D

Opps the typo's got me , I appologize I meant to say **** is suppose to be flushed not treasured:kiss:

Abisha~

Apparently you misread me; I was in agreement with you. Don't be so fragile. The little comments I made about your "character" were done so facetiously, and not intended to be taken seriously.

Sheesh. Clearly we both know right from wrong on this issue.

:look:

All I saw was :deranged and the rest was history Nia:D girl after I read your post again, :jawdrop:I appologize for going:nuts: and will slightly adjust my earlier post:lol::D I thought you were beating me down to a LOW SIze:smash: you know shootin down a sista's :uzi: ego . It's good to know we are on the same page:toast:


Peace:glasses:

No harm, no foul Sustah. I ain't beatin' up on nobody up in this joynt but story and Doctor Parker. But don't tell them I said that. :wink:











































:uhoh: I'm just KIDDING, y'all; get a grip for :bawling: out loud.

o k, Nia, thats cool, but, please, 2 things:

i prefer my beatings occur w either a crepe belt w a sponge foam buckle or a wet noodle ; and, i hate 2 admit this, but, u ll hv 2 get n line like every1 else that wants 2 beat me up.

b gentle, i just got here.

I'm shocked. You're kinkier than I suspected!

Now which one of ya blabbed on me???

ooooooooohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.....

why can't we all just get along?

Destee's site is great because we have people like Story that keeps it real!!!!!!:lol: hehe

as real as genuine pleather!

a straight thespian!

hot ice!

lol...lol...ok, ok, ok.....i'm bursting with positive energy today!

Happy Tuesday everyone!!!!!

:lol:Happy Tues. STORY!!!!!!!!!!

Hey Out there People,

Yeap well it's me the one that started this whole whoop. Goodness I didn't know the respond would be so massive. But as i said I stick with my opinion. Adam got lonely so god made woman he didn't create another man for him, that would have been totally upsurd. After all they had to reproduce to furnish the earth with other beings, a man and a man cannot make a baby, likewise for a woman and a woman. God if you are thinking otherwise i'm sorry you really need to be in a straight jacket and padded walls. Do you not see how stupid, bluntly ignorant if i may add homosexuality is. GRACIOUS, Let me break if down for people who seem to be dumb and iliterate. If you don't have a **** Y go buy one and attach it to you to have sex with another woman, if you don't have a ***** why get ****ed from the *** or put your mouth on another mans ****. If god didn't give it to you then you are not suppose to have it. I don't care about you saying you were born like that, you came out of the womb knowing you liked other men, other women? When you were born you didn't even know your sex.???? Give me a break, that's just like me saying i was born a murderer, a rapist, a petifile, a sick twisted someting or other. when we are born as a babe, we don't even know what those things are, let alone being a lesbian or gay. Yes you can come with your satistics saying the bible doesn't say its wrong. but DUHHHHHHH think, you don't have to get burned to know the fires hot. use common sense. the main fact is people want to do things that they know aren't right just for the hell of it. Which sickens me to my stomach. and for society to condone it makes me even sicker. please the bible doesn't say its wrong. o wake up and smell the **** pickles, excuses excuses. In closing i would like to say, i'm highly ashamed of some of you. You have the knowledge from a book, but where is your knowlege in life. *shaking my head* the bible don't say it's wrong.

p.s.-- :wave: abisha i been readin you girl you have a strong mind and you keep it real god bless:jumping:. i also apologize for going off earlier :cuss: hehe:grin: i'm going to lawschool had to practice for court :grin: so please forgive me for the imprudent lang. :cry: hope we are still :cool: i'm really a good girl:angel: just get alittle carried away at timez:rolleyes: get it from my mama newayz GOD bless


Ronnie
aka
DEEPSISTAHSOUL

I liked the fact that you started this post! Gives us ALL a chance to know what's out there...including the mindsets.

Gracious...one would think that common sense had DIED based upon the responses of those who 'support' this abomination.

But then, what would we expect?

Still with ya on this one, sis.

Get that JD. We need you in court! It's a jungle in here!

Mike Ramey

:lol: You know our love for our people is what counts and if we have to :argue: sometimes that is ok too, because this is our "Think Tank":idea: We all learn from one another. :crying: Problems just bring us closer as a people to a better understanding, and there is no good without the bad and no Sun without the rain, we all have clouds and sometimes clear skies, but through it all, God put us here for one another is these trial days:toast: , We don't always have to agree and wether we agree or not , you know I always got yo back:angel: , I tell others how I feel and hope they don't hold it against me, cause a week later I won't even remember what I :argue: about,:lol: and people tell me how they feel too:rolleyes: I don't keep it , I just post a rebuttal and let it go...:x: We are all here for one purpose, and that is to help make society a better place , by brainstorming and we come up with some pretty good :idea: like this subject you make up, girlfreind you know this topic is off the hook!!!!!!

You go Girl!!!!
Keep Up The Strong Spirit with the Lord HE Always Has Our Back and Will Send People In Our Lives to Touch Those Around Us
I admire you because you sho have touched mine.
Peace and God Bless!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Ya'll know i'm longwinded, like we say down here in louisiana gotta cuse me :lol:
I gotta do this for my people there are not enough black attorneys ya know, so therefore i'ma use my arguing and reasoning abilities and help some folks out that may not be able to afford a lawyer. I mean shooo i grew up in the dang gone country, lil dusty booty didn't even know what a dang gone mall was. we was still havin hella fun down in them woods though, cuz god open his ppl eyes and don't let um be blind. I use to watch all the kids with they name brand on and mama could only by us the discount stuff, or hand-me-downs. but for that i love her, i mean lord knows i'm doin better trials may come but i thank god i'm here. i'm taking this chance to better my life. I don't wanna be like the rest of the young girls and, have 3 kids, one foot in the grave, a check comin when the goverment want it to, a man never around, and a kid on the way, i want to turn it around. I want to be a strong young black woman, with a degree, and jesus on my side. I want to be someone, not just another black girl headed down nowhere hill. I was my name to have meaning behind it. I thank god that he opened my eyes to see my career, because this is what i want to do, i never thought i would be a lawyer, maybe a writer or publisher, never a lawyer. well ty jesus for lettin this blind woman see. Ya'll know i'm here if you need to talk i'm so motivated i'm above clouds, high on jesus, high on my future. till next time stay blessed and come together black ppl time for a change. martin luther king had a dream plz make that dream come true.

One nation
One body
One Love
:toast:
Veronica J Lott.,esquire

whew lawd that's lookin good...:lol:holla at a sistah :laugh: :peace:
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One lives by the fruit of his soul, without this fruit his soul is dead.

Well you Go Girl!!!!!!:lol: I am proud of you for taking such a step, I heard the same thing about computer science, they said it's not enough sis. in that and since I love computer so much that what I am majoring in. I wish to get my Juris Doctorate one day in Computer Science

???

Hold on to your hats , I meant to say Doctorate !!!

We all fall short of God's grace, and it is not none of our jobs to judge anyone for what they do. Do i think it would effect society? No more than a crack dealer in the neighborhood, or Susan sleeping with Dan out of wedlock, or Dan having 2 and 3 lovers.

I guess what I'm saying is that we all sin and do things that we aren't suppose to. It doesn't matter, if you teach your children right from wrong, it doesn't matter. God will take care of what a person should or shouldn't do I love all people gay, straight, bi-sexual, and try-sexual.....We should love people no matter what, and let God have the final say

The answer is it really doesn't matter what we think. This is not a Christian nation nor any sort of religious mandated nation so the rules of God don't apply. Morally the men that we call president will not let same sex marriage happen but eventually someone will sell humanity out for the corporate dollars and allow this to happen. Let me be clear I don't hate gay people, fear them nor do I wish them harm. Though gay people have a tremendous capacity for love, kindness and good will they have no comprehension of the divine masculine and feminine dynamic. If they did homosexuality wouldn't be an issue. The fact of the matter is in all intimate relationships someone is masculine and someone is feminine reguardless what genitals they possess. Many homosexuals have aligned themselves with atheists. They have convinced themselves that there is no God or no afterlife or judgement for that matter. They have done this so they can feel justistied in doing the unnatural. They feel there is no spiritual consequences for their actions. They take the attitude that they can do whatever they want and that God gave everyone "free will". Anything they do is okay as long as no one gets hurt. We are all in some way like this. We conveniently justify our sins so that we may feed our lustful desire. Personally I don't feel same sex marriage should be recognized but it will came to pass because in America money is God.


Peace

Radical Faith

I'm gonna have to agree with Radical. One cannot just adopt christian values, and associate them to society, when they are not grounded in society. The way the question was formed , was if we should "allow" gays to marry, etc. We have no control over them, so we cannot control their actions...seeing as it's a free country. Yes, I see it as a sin, and I will let them know in a heartbeat, but they also have the right to do as they please, just like a woman or a man can have sex before marriage, and just like people use birth control, and scientists using cloning methods. If people wanna say that gay marriages are wrong, then you should admit that half the things in society is wrong as well, like sex sells, and profanity, and fighting, and spending money on objects, and war. Those are part of christian values, which be taken just as strongly...but like Bush, some just decide to focus on one point, because it's an easy target, which unfortunately for us, caused Bush an easy win

No............

The answer is it really doesn't matter what we think. This is not a Christian nation nor any sort of religious mandated nation so the rules of God don't apply.


This is probably the best answer because it's the truth. We can not implement our religious beliefs on the world simply because that's the way we live our lives. People believe in different things. It's the same reason people complain about how george bush is running the country. He's trying to run it the same way he probably runs his household, and that's not right. You have to weigh the issues without using religion as the basis. On that note, I don't think same sex marriages should be allowed, but that's my opinion. I will not lose any sleep if they allow it.

This is probably the best answer because it's the truth. We can not implement our religious beliefs on the world simply because that's the way we live our lives. People believe in different things. It's the same reason people complain about how george bush is running the country. He's trying to run it the same way he probably runs his household, and that's not right. You have to weigh the issues without using religion as the basis. On that note, I don't think same sex marriages should be allowed, but that's my opinion. I will not lose any sleep if they allow it.

That is pretty much the way I feel about this situation. Well said brother Radical Faith & Kente417Mojo!

now exactly what would be the point in men marrying men and women marrying women? They can't procreate and carry on the species, so what is the point? why are we even talking about this?

now exactly what would be the point in men marrying men and women marrying women? They can't procreate and carry on the species, so what is the point? why are we even talking about this?

Because it's reality and it's happening. There are many man/ woman marriages that never produce children....should they not be allowed to marry? Marriage is not about children anyways. If that was the case people would never divorce because that's never in the best interest of the children and it's never for the children's benefit. Well, in some cases it is, but you know what I mean.
:weights:

Now, as far as raising a family, I don't think gay people should be able to raise children. It would be too confusing. I think they should be with who they want to be with, but don't mess with the mind of kids.

undefinedundefinedundefinedLove has no color, race, or even sex. If someone feels that their love in of the same gender then I'm like do you! Thats not my case but I am a firm believer in go wit the one you love :hearts2:

OK....

I have tried to think on this topic without bringing religion into this but for me it just can't be done. If God was the beginning and HE is the creator of our existence, who patterned us after HIS own image then how can we even think about leaving HIM out of the decisions we make especially with a topic such as this.

Some of the responses say allow it. Let grown folks do what they want and love who they will. That's exactly where problems come in... Yes God gave us all "will". We are all responsible for our own choices. Why encourage people to use their will for something wrong???...smh

Thru history we have seen how grown folks have made decisions that have wiped out millions of Blacks, Jews and Indians... We have seen how grown folks have destroyed lives in attacks upon this nation. Does 9/11 ring a bell??? All these things were done by grown folk who did what they want. Slavery was allowed by law and wasn't nothing right about non of that so just because the law supports something that don't make it right.

So how in the world do we think man is capable of making any kind of decision without consulting the Master? The Bible speaks about many sins but 2 sins God says HE hates, that's a liar and homosexuality because it's an abomination.

So then why would we as brothers and sisters be willing to accept something we know is wrong into our society? We do we lie to our brothers and sisters saying that these things are ok? Why give people the comfort they want to hear knowing they are on a path of destruction. I couldn't sit up here and say I love my brothers and sisters if I help send them str8 to hell. On top of that I would have to stand b4 God to answer for my part in helping to send a soul to hell. I have enough stuff in my life I'm trying to fix so I can't be telling nobody nothing wrong. That's just what I think......

well i can only say i will never do anything like this and pray my children
don't fall in the to foul life of same sexual lovers thing i honesty would say
no this should never be allowed but like it was stated everyone think and feel
differently , i've tryed a million times to see this picture clear and can't so forth
it's sinful and wrong but if adam & eve can mess up so can people .

OK, then anyone who has ever responded positively to one of my, poeticlyspeakin's or playwititpimp's poems is a hypocrite. If it mentions something about a relationship with another woman, you say stuff like "great flow" and "good write," making us think you're genuinely giving love. But in reality, you hold us in judgement.

Nice.

I pray all the time for my children as well. These are tough times.

gempis,

I don't read much poetry now but I have responded to poems by people who clearly give their sexual preference. If I give a good response, it in no way says I agree with the lifestyle. If that's the case, wouldn't the homosexuals that respond to str8 peoples poetry be hypocrites as well??? The response is to the writing and nothing else. If that was the case then I shouldn't be going to work, school, shopping, church, fishing, surfing, biking, hunting scratchin my tail..lol or just breathing because I know homosexuals are everywhere and they do these things too. I want to make it clear I don't hate homosexuals because they are our brothers and sisters too.

If certain gays and lesbians had judged, maligned and spoken ill of heterosexuals as you have done gays and lesbians then yes - responding positively to the poetry of heterosexuals would be hypocritical. But I challenge you to find any comment I or the above other two writers have ever made that judges, maligns or speaks ill of heterosexuals. I am not two-faced.

I don't follow your train of thought getting from responding to poetry to moving about in the world.

OK, then anyone who has ever responded positively to one of my, poeticlyspeakin's or playwititpimp's poems is a hypocrite. If it mentions something about a relationship with another woman, you say stuff like "great flow" and "good write," making us think you're genuinely giving love. But in reality, you hold us in judgement. Nice.

If certain gays and lesbians had judged, maligned and spoken ill of heterosexuals as you have done gays and lesbians then yes - responding positively to the poetry of heterosexuals would be hypocritical. But I challenge you to find any comment I or the above other two writers have ever made that judges, maligns or speaks ill of heterosexuals. I am not two-faced. I don't follow your train of thought getting from responding to poetry to moving about in the world.

Hello Family ... i've not read all of this thread, but can't help but respond to Sister Gempis' comments above.

Sister Gempis, i totally disagree with your position on this.

We do not all live the same lifestyles, or make the same choices, by any stretch of the imagination. Many of the choices folk make, are frowned upon by others ... but that does not mean we're hypocritical, if we wish each other well, or give each other love.

This is exactly where we need to go! To the place where we can still wish a Sister or Brother well ... give them love ... while not agreeing with them on all things! This is where we need to be Sister, don't discourage it! It is a beautiful thing!

If what you say is true Sister Gempis, we are all "hypocrites." For there is no one, if we are honest with ourselves, that lives exactly as another does! Even our own children, that come from us, will make different choices, live different lives!

I recently had a conversation with a Sister in the relationship forum, about Daddy Drama and stuff. I totally disagreed with most all she said (and did), and i told her so! Being honest about how i feel regarding a situation that is presented for discussion in this community, does not necessarily, in and of itself, indicate that we are "judging, maligning, and speaking ill" ... in all cases, we are simply sharing our opinion ... it's really no more than that. If a person can't handle the opinions of others (when they don't match their own), they may not want to post down here, or read these discussions ... because it's gonna happen ... no matter the topic.

Even though i disagreed with the Sister / Discussion mentioned above ... i sincerely, with my whole heart, wished her and her extended Family well. I meant that. She does not have to do or be me, in order for me to want the best for her.

This is exactly where we need to be headed ... in the direction we are going ... being able to freely, respectfully, talk, discuss, share our honest opinions with each other ... even if we don't all agree ... because we won't all agree.

There are 2 challenges here (at least) ... we must be able to give love when there is disagreement ... and equally as important ... we must be able to receive love given, in disagreement.

Well ... that's my 2 cent yall ... :)

:heart:

Destee

If certain gays and lesbians had judged, maligned and spoken ill of heterosexuals as you have done gays and lesbians then yes - responding positively to the poetry of heterosexuals would be hypocritical. But I challenge you to find any comment I or the above other two writers have ever made that judges, maligns or speaks ill of heterosexuals. I am not two-faced.


I think at least part of this comment was for me so I'll try to address....
First, I have never spoken ill of anyone in this forum. Yes from time to time we come to a point where we may disagree on certain issues but I would never disrespect anyone no matter what their preference may be...
The question was should homosexuals be allowed to marry..which my answer was no and why I belive this which my belief is from my spiritual perpective and that was it.

I don't follow your train of thought getting from responding to poetry to moving about in the world.

I thought the same when you stated those who reply to homosexual poetry are hypocritical. If that was the case eveyone in this world is a hypocrite. I simply reversed it and said that if that was the case, then homosexuals who reply to st8 peoples poetry would then also be hypocrites as well.

I just wanted to make things clear I have nothing against anyone here. We all are free to believe what we want and free to chose, think and live how we want.

Hello Family ... i've not read all of this thread, but can't help but respond to Sister Gempis' comments above.

Sister Gempis, i totally disagree with your position on this.

We do not all live the same lifestyles, or make the same choices, by any stretch of the imagination. Many of the choices folk make, are frowned upon by others ... but that does not mean we're hypocritical, if we wish each other well, or give each other love.

This is exactly where we need to go! To the place where we can still wish a Sister or Brother well ... give them love ... while not agreeing with them on all things! This is where we need to be Sister, don't discourage it! It is a beautiful thing!

If what you say is true Sister Gempis, we are all "hypocrites." For there is no one, if we are honest with ourselves, that lives exactly as another does! Even our own children, that come from us, will make different choices, live different lives!

I recently had a conversation with a Sister in the relationship forum, about Daddy Drama and stuff. I totally disagreed with most all she said (and did), and i told her so! Being honest about how i feel regarding a situation that is presented for discussion in this community, does not necessarily, in and of itself, indicate that we are "judging, maligning, and speaking ill" ... in all cases, we are simply sharing our opinion ... it's really no more than that. If a person can't handle the opinions of others (when they don't match their own), they may not want to post down here, or read these discussions ... because it's gonna happen ... no matter the topic.

Even though i disagreed with the Sister / Discussion mentioned above ... i sincerely, with my whole heart, wished her and her extended Family well. I meant that. She does not have to do or be me, in order for me to want the best for her.

This is exactly where we need to be headed ... in the direction we are going ... being able to freely, respectfully, talk, discuss, share our honest opinions with each other ... even if we don't all agree ... because we won't all agree.

There are 2 challenges here (at least) ... we must be able to give love when there is disagreement ... and equally as important ... we must be able to receive love given, in disagreement.

Well ... that's my 2 cent yall ... :)

:heart:

Destee

That 2 cents was worth a million bucks

I can't really answer that one, I feel that if a person want to be a lesbian or gay they should be that, but then again god put us on this earth for man and woman not man and man or woman and woman


When you look in the mirror what you see may not be yourself, 1love, TRUE STORY

I THINK GAY AND LESBIANS SHOULD BE ABLE TO RISE KIDS, THERE ARE SO MANY KIDS THAT NEED A HOME,THAT ARE IN THE SYSTEM, AND HARDLY NO ONE WANTS THEM. IF TWO MEN OR TO WOMEN WANT TO HAVE CHILDREN THEN WHY NOT? IT DOES NOT MEAN THAT THE CHILD WILL GROW UP TO BE GAY IT ONLY MEANS SOMEONE LOVES THEM. IF ANY OF YOU OUT THERE WERE DIEIN AND HAD A CHILD AND ONE OF YOUR FRIENDS WERE GAY AND U KNEW IN YOUR HEART, THEY WERE A REALLY GOOD PERSON, WHO WOULD U WANT TO TAKE THAT CHILD THE SYSTEM OR YOUR GAY FRIEND. JUST BECAUSE THEY ARE GAY DOSEN'T MEAN THAT ARE ROBOTS AND DON'T HAVE A HEART. GODS LOVES ALL OF US,WE ALL BELONGS TO HIM. HE SAID IN THE BIBLE NOT TO DO ALOT OF THINGS BUT WE STILL DO. THAT'S WHY HE DIED ON THE CROSS,FOR OUR SINS. I'M NOT STATEING, WHAT THEY ARE DOING IS RITE, BUT ARE WE LIVING RITE.NO!!!! GOD WILL DEAL WITH ALL OF US WHEN THE TYME COMES. THERE IS NO LITTLE SIN. PEACE AND BLESSING TO ALL... ;)

That 2 cents was worth a million bucks

uhhh ... i only wanted to put 2 cent in da collection plate ...

can i get my change back please?! QQ

:heart:

Destee

Frankly who cares if they wanna get married, how is that going to affect my life? I think homosexuality is disgusting and perverse, but it exist. So I say live and let live, just don't try to convince me that it's normal.

Frankly who cares if they wanna get married, how is that going to affect my life? I think homosexuality is disgusting and perverse, but it exist. So I say live and let live, just don't try to convince me that it's normal.


Yeah, I think that's a safe way to look at it. No one has to approve, but at least be civil to people. After all, we're all imperfect. My thing is, just because people are gay doesn't mean that they have the right to raise children. If that was the case then men/ men or women/ women would be able to conceive children naturally. I'm not saying that gay people are bad, but is it fair to force your lifestyle on children just because you feel the need to play house?

I know there are cases where men/ women can't conceive, but there has never been a man impregnating a man or woman impregnating a woman. If there has then maybe I'm out of the loop on that one.

uhhh ... i only wanted to put 2 cent in da collection plate ...

can i get my change back please?! QQ

:heart:

Destee
naw cause Mother MBA ...QQ , head of the bother board needs a new wig...she shouted so hard last Sunday that her wig flew in the babtismal pool
so we setting aside 1$ for Decon Panafrica to go to the dollar tree to get mother MBA her new wig... and the rest is going to the building fund...lol

Nita and Destee,

Consider looking at it another way.

Say you meet someone who says they don't like black people, but they will wish you love as a human being, and not let their prejudices get in the way. How would this make you feel?

Personally, I would feel like the love is insincere, because they truly loathe me and think they're superior to me. All they are doing is tolerating me.

This is the way I feel about people who have given love to my poetry who have posted on this thread. I don't trust the love.

This is my position.

Nita and Destee,

Consider looking at it another way.

Say you meet someone who says they don't like black people, but they will wish you love as a human being, and not let their prejudices get in the way. How would this make you feel?

Personally, I would feel like the love is insincere, because they truly loathe me and think they're superior to me. All they are doing is tolerating me.

This is the way I feel about people who have given love to my poetry who have posted on this thread. I don't trust the love.

This is my position.

I see what you're saying but who says the way you feel about love is the way all mankind feels about love? Love has many different levels and people have different ways of showing love. There is no one definition of love. We all create our own definiton by personal experiences, up bringings and relationships. Believe it or not, you run across people everyday that may have some sort of prejudice against you whether you're black, white, fat, skinny, ugly, pretty, or whatever. Since I was taught to love myself, it does not matter to me what predjudice someone is holding against me because I can not change that person. The only thing I can do is continue to try and love that person and pray for that person as well as strength for myself to deal with these things. I think that's what God wants us ALL to do. If God felt the way you feel then none of us would be here today because lQQK how we do God after all He's done for us. He knew there would be times when we would turn our backs on Him, deny His teachings, and continue to live in sin, yet and still, He gave his Son to die for us anyway, despite all we do to eachother and ourselves. Now that's the love we all should strive after. But still, let our brother believe a little differently than we do and we'll turn our backs on them. How can we say we love God and we can't love our own brother thru their faults? I can sit here and try to figure out if someone's love is sincere but I don't, I leave that for God because He can see everything that's inside a persons heart. Despite how you may feel, if I didn't care about you or my other brothers and sisters here I wouldn't even be here wasting my time. This place gives us a chance to come together in hopes of bringing unity to our people and our communities.

Peace
~Nita Mae~

I see what you're saying but who says the way you feel about love is the way all mankind feels about love? Love has many different levels and people have different ways of showing love. There is no one definition of love. We all create our own definiton by personal experiences, up bringings and relationships. Believe it or not, you run across people everyday that may have some sort of prejudice against you whether you're black, white, fat, skinny, ugly, pretty, or whatever. Since I was taught to love myself, it does not matter to me what predjudice someone is holding against me because I can not change that person. The only thing I can do is continue to try and love that person and pray for that person as well as strength for myself to deal with these things. I think that's what God wants us ALL to do. If God felt the way you feel then none of us would be here today because lQQK how we do God after all He's done for us. He knew there would be times when we would turn our backs on Him, deny His teachings, and continue to live in sin, yet and still, He gave his Son to die for us anyway, despite all we do to eachother and ourselves. Now that's the love we all should strive after. But still, let our brother believe a little differently than we do and we'll turn our backs on them. How can we say we love God and we can't love our own brother thru their faults? I can sit here and try to figure out if someone's love is sincere but I don't, I leave that for God because He can see everything that's inside a persons heart. Despite how you may feel, if I didn't care about you or my other brothers and sisters here I wouldn't even be here wasting my time. This place gives us a chance to come together in hopes of bringing unity to our people and our communities.

Peace
~Nita Mae~


Hey Nita,

I'm not sure what you mean by this sentence: "If God felt the way you feel then none of us would be here today because lQQK how we do God after all He's done for us." I treat everyone with respect, decency and kindness, and without judgement. It seems many christians forget that sentence in the bible, "judge not lest ye be judged," not to mention "let he who is without sin cast the first stone." And that is where I think we differ in our opinions. I'm not saying people shouldn't give love to people of whom they dissapprove or dislike in any way; I'm questioning why they dissapprove or dislike them in the first place.

In his 8/18/02 post, $$RICH$$ says: "but love is placed in handz of misfits
so many feel it's good but i know as forth
our Father say it's not to be ......sad and shamless acts"

Mike Ramey, bishop, j'hiah and many others also have condemning and sometimes hateful words for gays and lesbians. Of course they are entitled to their opinions; I won't argue that right. But I would encourage folks to live up to the true meaning of christianity and not judge anyone. Leave that to god. Because when you judge lesbians and then turn around and say you love me, it's "love the sinner, hate the sin" BS. It doesn't fly with me.

I appreciate that we can discuss these issues in calmness.

I think gays should be allowed to marry but gay couples shouldn't be allowed to adopt children. A child needs both masculine and feminine influences, a father and a mother so that goes beyond just "their business", a child's upbringing concerns the community.

Hey Nita,

I'm not sure what you mean by this sentence: "If God felt the way you feel then none of us would be here today because lQQK how we do God after all He's done for us."

Hey gempis, this was the answer to your statement

Consider looking at it another way.

Say you meet someone who says they don't like black people, but they will wish you love as a human being, and not let their prejudices get in the way. How would this make you feel?

Personally, I would feel like the love is insincere, because they truly loathe me and think they're superior to me. All they are doing is tolerating me.

This is the way I feel about people who have given love to my poetry who have posted on this thread. I don't trust the love.
This is my position.

I was saying that many of us say we love God but they way we carry on in our everyday lifestyles (me included) show we are not always sincere to the love we say we have for Him.
You said that you felt that type of love was insincere... I was saying what if God judged us the same way? None of us would be here because of our sins which God knew about before He created us. He knew we would continue to sin but yet and still His love saw beyond our faults. Why can't we love our brothers that sam way? I feel we all should pattern our love after His love.


I treat everyone with respect, decency and kindness, and without judgement. It seems many christians forget that sentence in the bible, "judge not lest ye be judged," not to mention "let he who is without sin cast the first stone." And that is where I think we differ in our opinions. I'm not saying people shouldn't give love to people of whom they dissapprove or dislike in any way; I'm questioning why they dissapprove or dislike them in the first place.

No, I have not forgotten. I think it's very evident that I often put my faults out there so that people can know that I'm not perfect either. In my replies I include myself as part of the problem. It is true we are not to judge our brother but God also hold His people responsible for spreading His teachings thru His word and I don't think that makes me a hypocrite. My responses are not to judge but to help bring about a resolution to some of the problems facing our world today. Although we may disagree, we disagree in love and at least that's a start.


So then why would we as brothers and sisters be willing to accept something we know is wrong into our society? Why do we lie to our brothers and sisters saying that these things are ok? Why give people the comfort they want to hear knowing they are on a path of destruction. I couldn't sit up here and say I love my brothers and sisters if I help send them str8 to hell. On top of that I would have to stand b4 God to answer for my part in helping to send a soul to hell. I have enough stuff in my life I'm trying to fix so I can't be telling nobody nothing wrong. That's just what I think......


In his 8/18/02 post, $$RICH$$ says: "but love is placed in handz of misfits
so many feel it's good but i know as forth
our Father say it's not to be ......sad and shamless acts"

Mike Ramey, bishop, j'hiah and many others also have condemning and sometimes hateful words for gays and lesbians. Of course they are entitled to their opinions; I won't argue that right. But I would encourage folks to live up to the true meaning of christianity and not judge anyone. Leave that to god. Because when you judge lesbians and then turn around and say you love me, it's "love the sinner, hate the sin" BS. It doesn't fly with me.

I can't speak for them but I always try to respond with love and kindness but also with honesty. Yes, God is the only one that can truly judge us because we all have sins and are not fit to place judgement on anyone. You said "love the sinner, but hate the sin doesn't fly with you, again, God loves all of us. Sinners from the time we took our first breath yet He's the one that defined the sins for us. If He can love us even tho He hates the sins we do why can't the same fly with you?


I appreciate that we can discuss these issues in calmnessConsider looking at it another way.

Same here. This converstation could have gotten very ugly we coulda got put in cyber time out and everything...lol but we are very blessed to be able to come together peacefully and to share our opinions like this all out in the open. i beliv eveything happns for a reason and I hope that this will be a blessing to many because I know it is a blessing for me to share with you.
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I think gays should be allowed to marry but gay couples shouldn't be allowed to adopt children. A child needs both masculine and feminine influences, a father and a mother so that goes beyond just "their business", a child's upbringing concerns the community.


Excellent points. I agree 100%

I appreciate you explaining your views, Nita. In a way it seems we agree, but you are christian and I am buddhist, and there are differences. At least we can discuss them.

Peace.

I appreciate you explaining your views, Nita.

No problem :heart:


In a way it seems we agree, but you are christian and I am buddhist, and there are differences. At least we can discuss them.

Peace.

Really, I did'nt know that about you. I don't know anyone who is a buddhist except Tina Turner in what's love got to do with it...lol
My father is a Baptist minister and for the most part that's all I have ever known. I'd like to learn more about other religions and would be happy if you'd share with me a little bit more about your religion.
Peace

Nita, that is so cool of you to ask. :D

Theologists characterize Buddhism as a religion that is:
- devoid of authority (figure)
- devoid of ritual
- devoid of speculation
- devoid of tradition
- calling for intense self-effort
- devoid of the supernatural
- empirical
- scientific
- pragmatic
- therapeutic
- psychological
- democratic
- directed to individuals

The four Noble Truths are the foundation for Buddhism:
1. Life is dukkha, or suffering
2. The cause of pain is tahna, or craving/desire
3. Tahna can be overcome
4. The way to do that is through the Eightfold Path

The Eightfold Path is seen as a course of treatment. The eight steps each represent what the individual should practice in daily life:
1. right knowledge
2. right aspiration
3. right speech
4. right behavior
5. right livelihood
6. right effort
7. right mindfulness
8. right absorption

Of course this is just a basic overview. Exceptional modern-day Buddhist teachings can be found in the books of Pema Chodron, a Buddhist nun. She explains how to practically apply the principles of Buddhism to daily life.

I hope this has been helpful, Nita. :coffee:

Although I have no problem with same sex marriages, I can't help but wonder if this will open up a can of worms. What might happen next? Men and women marrying animals. Can you see a man marrying let's say a kangaroo, or even a canine :puke:

Although I have no problem with same sex marriages, I can't help but wonder if this will open up a can of worms. What might happen next? Men and women marrying animals. Can you see a man marrying let's say a kangaroo, or even a canine :puke:


When this happens the human race will truly be on a ski slope to hell. :devil:

First of all i would like to say that i think that we (homosexuals) should be able to marry, but i would like to ask a question?

Do you all think that homosexuality is a lifestyle choice?

:luvv:
-story

First of all i would like to say that i think that we (homosexuals) should be able to marry, but i would like to ask a question?

Do you all think that homosexuality is a lifestyle choice?

:luvv:
-story

It's a form of inbalanced spirit possession.

First of all i would like to say that i think that we (homosexuals) should be able to marry, but i would like to ask a question?

Do you all think that homosexuality is a lifestyle choice?

:luvv:
-story

I think it's a lifestyle choice. I have heard different thoeries though.

Good Afternoon Everyone, this is my first day here and it has been a pleasure getting to know some of you through your postings. I can't believe that this topic has been kept alive for over 2 years (wow). I have read many intersting points of view, many I had never considered. However, overall I think that homosexuals should be allowed to marry and be afforded all the same legal rights and liberties that all other so called "minorities" have fought for and attained.

I have ambiguous feelings about this topic and it is one that hits close to home in that this was a lifestyle that I used to practice. I came from a very strict religious upbringing...therefore, even when I was involved in my relationship I felt that it was wrong from a biblical point of view. But one thing about me is that I am very non-judgemental and I feel like all of us fall short of God's glory. The thing about us as humans is that we tend to rationalize and justify our shortcomings in comparison to others. For me , I realized that there were many things in my life I needed to bring into alignment with God's will not just my sexuality. It's so funny to me how heated people get on the topic of homosexuality, and these same self-righteous people are "living in sin" themselves ( I am sure there are people here that live with their boyfriend/girlfriend and are committing fornication or some even adultery). The Bible condemns all of these as immoral acts. There are heterosexuals who are not monogamous, spread disease, have abortions, commit murder and many other things that violate God's law. I know that many don't condone that behavior either, I am just saying that it has been my experience that many who are outspoken against homosexuality are just as guilty of committing their own sins against God. And in His eyesight...a sin... is a sin...is a sin! No one sin is greater that another...that is just mankinds way of judging things.

As far as adopting and raising families...I think that anyone who can provide a stable, productive, loving environment for a child should be given the opportunity to do so, regardless of whether or not they are biologically able to do so or not. There are too many mistreated children in our society today...and working in law-enforcement I have seen the products of children who are victims of their abusive, disfunctional, heterosexual, upbringing. And, I don't think that being raised by two homosexuals would automatically or even have a greater likelihood of causing a child to be gay than, all of the homosexuals who were raised by heterosexuals being the reason that their children are gay. If it was something you caught like that then how does one explain all the gay people with straight parents?

Well, sorry for the long post...but I read the whole thread and just had a lot of feedback, lol. But, I am going to go sit back down and be quiet. :-) This is a great site by the way :luv:

One,
Shabria