Easter, the greatest feast day in all Christendom, is determined astronomically by the longitude of the Sun and Moon in the Heavens, therefore it is not truly the anniversary of the resurrection of Jesus Christ...

In 325 AD, the bishops of the Nicene Council of Rome decided to use the science of astronomy in order to establish uniformity in determining what day Easter would fall on. It was established that Easter would always be on the first Sunday after the first Full Moon after the Vernal Equinox.

It was further established that if the Full Moon occurs on a Sunday, then Easter would be celebrated on the next Sunday...

The Sun, as the giver of life, has always been the object of man’s worship. It is the symbol of the divine flame that animates his body and provides the goal for his highest aspirations. Consequently, the religions of the world have incorporated solar phenomena into their theological doctrines, especially with regard to the timing of their holy days.

The time of the year when the Sun's path crosses the celestial equator is critical, since it signals the advent of spring and the triumph of the forces of light over the forces of darkness – a victory shown by the lengthening days. It is not surprising, therefore, that in ancient times when people worshipped the Sun, the time of the Vernal Equinox was celebrated as an occasion for rejoicing.

The Sun’s passage from a southerly to a northerly declination was assumed to mean that the Sun (or the Savior) had vanquished his enemies and arisen once again from the nether world to reign in triumph. This passing of the Sun over the ecliptic persists as the astronomical basis for the spring festival of Easter, and because of the continual changing of the Sun and Moon, Easter falls on a different date each year.

The early church was deeply divided as to the nature and time of the celebration of Easter. Some communions were influenced by the coincidence of Christ's death with the Jewish Passover. Others celebrated Easter on the 25th of March, the Vernal Equinox in the Julian calendar, and the day of resurrection of Attis, the Greek god of vegetation.

The similarities between the ancient legends of the crucifixion, the resurrection of the sun god, and the story of Jesus Christ so disconcerted the early church fathers that they promulgated the theory that Satan caused the heathens to adopt psuedo-Christian beliefs and practices. The early Spanish explorer Fernando Cortez (1485-1547), after arriving in Mexico and finding that the Mexicans also celebrated the time of the Vernal Equinox, complained bitterly that Satan had taught the Mexicans the same doctrines that God had taught the Christians!

“He Rose On The Third Day”: An Explanation

At Eastertime Christians are still being taught - however incorrectly - that Jesus was crucified on Friday and rose from the grave on Sunday, which renders null and void his prophetic words in Matthew 12:40:

“For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the whale's belly, so shall the Son of Man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.”

It is virtually impossible to get three days and three nights from Friday afternoon to Sunday morning. Theologians have grappled with this phenomenon for centuries, and until Christians are taught the knowledge of the Essene Doctrine, the Jewish calendar, and the fact that the Jewish day begins at sunset and not midnight, this false teaching will continue, and questions will still go largely unanswered.

Jesus was a member of a spiritual sect called the Essenes (pronounced “es-sen-eez”), and the Essene Paschal Supper took place on Wednesday evening, a day before the Passover Feast of the Pharisees and Sadducees. Jesus was subsequently crucified in the third hour (Mark 15:25) of the same day, which was at 9am Wednesday morning (remember the day begins at sunset).

According to the Biblical account he expired in the ninth hour (3 pm) and was taken off the cross soon after. He was brought to Joseph of Arimathea’s private tomb, where the Master Essene Physician (who had been concealed there) revived him. He was in the grave (i.e., the tomb) for three days and three nights, reappearing on the third day. Here is the explanation:

(a) From 6 pm Wednesday to 6 pm Thursday represents one night (6 pm-6 am) and one day (6 am-6 pm)...

(b) From 6 pm Thursday to 6 pm Friday represents two nights and two days...

(c) From 6 pm Friday to 6 pm Saturday represents three nights and three days...

“He rose on the third day,” i.e., dawn on Sunday, which begins at 6 pm Saturday. Thus the prophecy of Jesus in Matthew 12:40 was fulfilled...

The Essenes were of Egyptian origin.

You are certainly correct in the origins of Easter. Astrology and Sun worship were tied to many of what are now considered Christian holidays including Christmas--which was a pagan holiday marking the solstice--Amun-Ra

:)

^5, Amun-Ra...

In 325 AD, the bishops of the Nicene Council of Rome decided to use the science of astronomy in order to establish uniformity in determining what day Easter would fall on. It was established that Easter would always be on the first Sunday after the first Full Moon after the Vernal Equinox.

This year (2003) Easter falls on April 20, the first Sunday after the first Full Moon (April 16) after the Vernal Equinox (i.e., the first day of Spring), which was Friday, March 21...

Easter, the greatest feast day in all Christendom, is determined astronomically by the longitude of the Sun and Moon in the Heavens, therefore it is not truly the anniversary of the resurrection of Jesus Christ. In 325 AD, the bishops of the Nicene Council of Rome decided to use the science of astronomy in order to establish uniformity in determining what day Easter would fall on. It was established that Easter would always be on the first Sunday after the first Full Moon after the Vernal Equinox.

Today (4/20/'03) is the first Sunday after the first Full Moon (4/16/'03) after the Vernal Equinox (3/21/'03).

This year Easter falls on Sunday, April 11th, the first Sunday after the first Full Moon (April 5th) after the Vernal Equinox (March 20th)...

You are certainly correct in the origins of Easter. Astrology and Sun worship were tied to many of what are now considered Christian holidays including Christmas--which was a pagan holiday marking the solstice--Amun-Ra

:)

I would also like to add the origins didn't stop with egyptian "pagan" practices but also extends to the british isles(some of my ancestory) when witches roamed the earth freely! A lot of the christian holidays and adaptations were also linked to european paganism.

Peace and love

Shadow

These date connections and shared practices were deemed necessary for Christians during the time of persecution. The early Christians could not celebrate their holy days openly so they camouflaged them by celebrating them close to or on the holidays of the pagan communities. They took pagan symbols such as the Ichthus and used them as code symbols and passwords for the underground Christian community to communicate without raising suspicion.

As is the way with traditions the original purpose fades into the past but the ritual continues. Christians know that the Christmas story has some discrepancies in its logic. We know that shepherds don't graze their sheep in the snow although the song says they were out there on a cold winter's night that was so deep. We know it's not possible to squeeze three days and three nights between friday night and Sunday morning. The important thing is the memory, the acknowledgement, the appreciation of what God did for us through Jesus Christ. To squabble over the accuracy of the dates is to forget what the day truly means. The sun rises every day. How silly it would be to look for a day that is not connected to the sun. Okay, let's make Easter the first rainy day after we file our income taxes.

The important thing is the memory, the acknowledgement, the appreciation of what God did for us through Jesus Christ...The important thing is the acknowledgement of the knowledge, wisdom and understanding that God bestows upon us through ALL His prophets. Truth exists, sister river, only falsehood has to be invented...and the worse lie is a truth misunderstood by those who hear it...

To squabble over the accuracy of the dates is to forget what the day truly means. It is not my intention to "squabble" over anything...and today there is much doubt among theologians as to what the day "truly" means...

The sun rises every day. How silly it would be to look for a day that is not connected to the sun.The Sun does not rise or set, sister river. The Sun is a fixed star...the center of our solar system, and it moves approximately 50 seconds per year. It is the axial rotation of our planet that gives us this erroneous perception...

Okay, let's make Easter the first rainy day after we file our income taxes.I suggest you write your Congressman...

Come now, Aqil! Surely you don't mean to say that you actually think I believe that the sun literally rises. That is a coloquialism which we all use. Why you chose to even comment on that I will never know. I suggest you write the editor of the Los Angeles Times and inform him that they are in error when they say the sun will rise at a certain time the next morning for that is what they do on their weather foreccast. I guess we earthlings are just ignorant, huh. Also, the next time someone tells you that the sky is blue be sure to point out that the sky has no color but the bllue we perceive is merely an illusion created by looking at the blackness of outerspace through the whiteness of sunlight. They will thank you for the education.

The theologians may not know what this day means but I do and so does other lay memlbers of the Church.

Come now, Aqil! Surely you don't mean to say that you actually think I believe that the sun literally rises. That is a coloquialism which we all use. Why you chose to even comment on that I will never know. I suggest you write the editor of the Los Angeles Times and inform him that they are in error when they say the sun will rise at a certain time the next morning for that is what they do on their weather foreccast. I guess we earthlings are just ignorant, huh. Also, the next time someone tells you that the sky is blue be sure to point out that the sky has no color but the bllue we perceive is merely an illusion created by looking at the blackness of outerspace through the whiteness of sunlight. They will thank you for the education.

The theologians may not know what this day means but I do and so does other lay memlbers of the Church.

Hi River, I don't know why some of us seem to become defensive when reading another's opinions or knowledge on certain subjects in posts? Maybe different personalities? Could be? However, I think in defense of all who post topics such as these, I think the information given is to guide, help and maybe direct individuals to another "truth." It is great and advantagous to know in my opinion where certain practices originated from. I hate to be in the dark and like to expand my knowledge of many, many things, spirituality included. I do not feel that Aqil is being arrogant when he lists certain facts, I think he is merely stating what he has found in his vast amount of research for the truth. I admire and respect that. If anyone does not agree then I would think it beneficial for them to do some research on the matter and bring in your their own opinions and feelings about the topic at hand.

Instead of becoming defensive and disrespectful, it would do wonders if we all could just list our opinions, feelings and facts if we choose to provide any, with respect, peace and with the gift of giving more knowledge which might allow for a different perspective if one should have one.

Just some thoughts....
Shadow Walker... aka lady bastet
stay in the light

Hi Lady,

Thanks for your input. I apologize if something I said came across as defensive or disrespectful. That certainly was not my intent. Aqil and I have been dialoguing with one another for a number of weeks now. I respect him too. Very much. That doesn't mean that I will not speak out when I disagree with something he says just as he speaks out when he disagrees with something I say. And yes he sometimes gets sarcastic (telling me to write my congressman) but I don't take it personally. We will be okay even if we sometimes appear to be two minds sparring for some victory. In the end we all win if we are honest and unafraid.

Sister river said, "Okay, let's make Easter the first rainy day after we file our income taxes."

To which I responded, "I suggest you write your Congressman."

And yes, he sometimes gets sarcastic (telling me to write my congressman) but I don't take it personally.I detected an air of sarcasm in your statement to me, sister river...thus my response...and when you say, "he sometimes gets sarcastic," you are implying that I do this often...and that certainly has not been the case in our dialogue with each other...

Gotcha Aqil,

Like I said I did not take your comment personally. I didn't know the comment was in response to that paraticular comment of mine which was not meant to be an insult either. And now that I know what the comment was in direct reference to it sounds funny and I would laugh but you thought I was putting you down and I was not. Sometimes I like to get a little tongue in cheek but that has nothing to do with my opinion of you. Please forgive me. It's just my personality.

luv ya,
river

Gotcha ms. river...:star:

Open communication works wonders!

Much love and respect

Lady aka shadow walker

In 325 AD, the bishops of the Nicene Council of Rome decided to use the science of astronomy in order to establish uniformity in determining what day Easter would fall on. It was established that Easter would always be on the first Sunday after the first Full Moon after the Vernal Equinox.

This year (2005) Easter falls on March 27, the first Sunday after the first Full Moon (March 25) after the Vernal Equinox, which is Sunday, March 20th...

Easter, the greatest feast day in all Christendom, is determined astronomically by the longitude of the Sun and Moon in the Heavens, therefore it is not truly the anniversary of the resurrection of Jesus Christ...

In 325 AD, the bishops of the Nicene Council of Rome decided to use the science of astronomy in order to establish uniformity in determining what day Easter would fall on. It was established that Easter would always be on the first Sunday after the first Full Moon after the Vernal Equinox.

It was further established that if the Full Moon occurs on a Sunday, then Easter would be celebrated on the next Sunday...

The Sun, as the giver of life, has always been the object of man’s worship. It is the symbol of the divine flame that animates his body and provides the goal for his highest aspirations. Consequently, the religions of the world have incorporated solar phenomena into their theological doctrines, especially with regard to the timing of their holy days.

The time of the year when the Sun's path crosses the celestial equator is critical, since it signals the advent of spring and the triumph of the forces of light over the forces of darkness – a victory shown by the lengthening days. It is not surprising, therefore, that in ancient times when people worshipped the Sun, the time of the Vernal Equinox was celebrated as an occasion for rejoicing.

The Sun’s passage from a southerly to a northerly declination was assumed to mean that the Sun (or the Savior) had vanquished his enemies and arisen once again from the nether world to reign in triumph. This passing of the Sun over the ecliptic persists as the astronomical basis for the spring festival of Easter, and because of the continual changing of the Sun and Moon, Easter falls on a different date each year.

The early church was deeply divided as to the nature and time of the celebration of Easter. Some communions were influenced by the coincidence of Christ's death with the Jewish Passover. Others celebrated Easter on the 25th of March, the Vernal Equinox in the Julian calendar, and the day of resurrection of Attis, the Greek god of vegetation.

The similarities between the ancient legends of the crucifixion, the resurrection of the sun god, and the story of Jesus Christ so disconcerted the early church fathers that they promulgated the theory that Satan caused the heathens to adopt psuedo-Christian beliefs and practices. The early Spanish explorer Fernando Cortez (1485-1547), after arriving in Mexico and finding that the Mexicans also celebrated the time of the Vernal Equinox, complained bitterly that Satan had taught the Mexicans the same doctrines that God had taught the Christians!

“He Rose On The Third Day”: An Explanation

At Eastertime Christians are still being taught - however incorrectly - that Jesus was crucified on Friday and rose from the grave on Sunday, which renders null and void his prophetic words in Matthew 12:40:

“For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the whale's belly, so shall the Son of Man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.”

It is virtually impossible to get three days and three nights from Friday afternoon to Sunday morning. Theologians have grappled with this phenomenon for centuries, and until Christians are taught the knowledge of the Essene Doctrine, the Jewish calendar, and the fact that the Jewish day begins at sunset and not midnight, this false teaching will continue, and questions will still go largely unanswered.

Jesus was a member of a spiritual sect called the Essenes (pronounced “es-sen-eez”), and the Essene Paschal Supper took place on Wednesday evening, a day before the Passover Feast of the Pharisees and Sadducees. Jesus was subsequently crucified in the third hour (Mark 15:25) of the same day, which was at 9am Wednesday morning (remember the day begins at sunset).

According to the Biblical account he expired in the ninth hour (3 pm) and was taken off the cross soon after. He was brought to Joseph of Arimathea’s private tomb, where the Master Essene Physician (who had been concealed there) revived him. He was in the grave (i.e., the tomb) for three days and three nights, reappearing on the third day. Here is the explanation:

(a) From 6 pm Wednesday to 6 pm Thursday represents one night (6 pm-6 am) and one day (6 am-6 pm)...

(b) From 6 pm Thursday to 6 pm Friday represents two nights and two days...

(c) From 6 pm Friday to 6 pm Saturday represents three nights and three days...

“He rose on the third day,” i.e., dawn on Sunday, which begins at 6 pm Saturday. Thus the prophecy of Jesus in Matthew 12:40 was fulfilled...


A very good and right teaching my brotha...many props on this one. Thanks for sharing.

You're quite welcome, Sister Joyce...

thanks for posting every year, brother aqil. i just noticed that ishtar jumps around on the calendar as the west attempts to interpret it. (She will always elude them!!) it's the only christian holiday, i think, within the gregorian calendar but ruled by the moon therefore date changes every solar year.

There are many very interesting articles on the pagan origins of
easter going around this week. They show how Satan has tried to
pervert God's plan of salvation through the death and resurrection of
THE Son of God, by having his own counterfeit version, the story of a
son, turned "sun god". We all know that the best lies contain a lot
of truth. Now I am all for separating from apostate, denominational
churches that don't realize that they are following the mother of
whores, Roman Catholic church in taking the doctrine of Balaam and
mixing pagan and Christian ideas into an ignorant, lukewarm, natural
religion. I am also all for celebrating my salvation through the
death and resurrection of my Savior, the Lord Jesus Christ. Satan's
followers wait for the natural sun to rise. I celebrate the risen
Son. The Bible tells us that people first realized He was risen as
they went to the tomb at sunrise on the first day of the week,
Sunday. I will be shouting and praising God at sunrise on Sunday. I
don't know which day of our modern calendar
corresponds to the actual day the Lord Yeshua the Messiah rose, so I
will have a sunrise service that happens to be at the same time the
pagans watch for the natural sun. Their god could get rained out. My
God happens to be the one who makes the rain! Hallelujah! I will also
celebrate Christ's resurrection every day
. Once in Christ, every day is the Lord's day! Praise
God! Everyday is Sabbath. He is Sabbath! Glory to God! As to eggs and
rabbits...fry 'em up or make them of chocolate, I'll pray over them
giving thanks to God for the abundance, and eat them up.

Every thing with out exception was stolen form us so called Africans. Africa is the Mother of Civilization. All of the sciences, mathamatics, astrology, medicin, writing, metalergy, augriculture and ect. are products of your (Ancestors) self. The world of Cacasins or Europens know something about you (Africans) that they don't want you to know about your self. Every thing was stolen from you and you was stripped of every thing even your Humanity and made slaves. Now only (140) years after the emancipation praclamation of 1865 we find our self in a pitiful condition wondering who the hell we are. <Read Stolen Legacy by E.M. James>. The study of the stars revealed to us the prominate Easten Star now used in the courrpt deginerate europen so called science of Astrology and given to us today in the form of a europen holiday called "Eastar". The more we learn about our self, the more we know about others. "People know Thy Self ".....Brothers and Sisters

Sincerely

Every thing with out exception was stolen form us so called Africans. Africa is the Mother of Civilization. All of the sciences, mathamatics, astrology, medicin, writing, metalergy, augriculture and ect. are products of your (Ancestors) self. The world of Cacasins or Europens know something about you (Africans) that they don't want you to know about your self. Every thing was stolen from you and you was stripped of every thing even your Humanity and made slaves. Now only (140) years after the emancipation praclamation of 1865 we find our self in a pitiful condition wondering who the hell we are. <Read Stolen Legacy by E.M. James>. The study of the stars revealed to us the prominate Easten Star now used in the courrpt deginerate europen so called science of Astrology and given to us today in the form of a europen holiday called "Eastar". The more we learn about our self, the more we know about others. "People know Thy Self ".....Brothers and Sisters

Sincerely

Big Ups Moorfius!

:flame: Moor Fiyah! Keep Burning down illusion. The truth about the risen SUN, is seen by the pure of heart. The Vernal(Spring) Equinox just passed (Mar. 20...hmmmm close to Easter) and as all enlightened beings know, that marks the "endtime" of the SUN making it's journey through the "underworld" (hell/winter) which "ironically" is marked by the Winter Solstice on Dec. 21(hmmm, close to Christmas). Spring marks the SUN'S "return" to illuminate the earth with it's ray's to help life "Spring" forward again (Plants, Trees, Birds, and Bees). That has been going on since time began. The "Christian" holiday is a later day version (2000 years ago) of the many festival's celebrated by the "pagans"...

Let's look at the definition of Pagan:

pa·gan

noun (plural pa·gans)

1. follower of a less popular religion: somebody who does not follow one of the world’s main religions, especially somebody who is not a Christian, Muslim, or Jew, and whose religion is regarded as questionable ( sometimes considered offensive )

Questionable b/c it isn't popular? :confused:

2. polytheist or pantheist: a follower of an ancient polytheistic or pantheistic religion

Why would anyone want to practice a religion that is older than Christianity, Judaism, or Islam? ;)

3. heathen: somebody who has no religion ( disapproving )

So What? LOL

adjective

1. of a less popular religion: believing in or relating to a religion that is not one of the world’s main religions and is regarded as questionable

2. following polytheistic or pantheistic religion: believing in or relating to an ancient polytheistic or pantheistic religion

3. nonreligious: having no religion ( sometimes considered offensive )

HMMMMM.... Kind of makes you wonder why going against the grain is so looked down on in this society.

Yanno Brother Aum, another definition that I find interesting is the word myth.

Main Entry: myth
Pronunciation: 'mith
Function: noun
Etymology: Greek mythos
Date: 1830
1 a : a usually traditional story of ostensibly historical events that serves to unfold part of the world view of a people or explain a practice, belief, or natural phenomenon b : PARABLE, ALLEGORY

This makes me go hmmmmm too?

2 a : a popular belief or tradition that has grown up around something or someone; especially : one embodying the ideals and institutions of a society or segment of society <seduced by the American myth of individualism —Orde Coombs> b : an unfounded or false notion

This one could mean any practices and or belief systems as well.

3 : a person or thing having only an imaginary or unverifiable existence
4 : the whole body of myths

This makes you wonder exactly how many unverifiable existences does each belief/religious practices have. It also makes me think about the action of having faith. To have faith in an unverifable existence can be considered a myth also. When I think about it, in all belief systems, some things required that you have faith. We base our faith on things that can't be verified, and have an unmovable spirit to believe anything opposite of it. Somehow the belief of our ancestors is classified as the ultimate myth. Makes me wonder, Who first determined what was myth and what was not myth.

Yanno Brother Aum, another definition that I find interesting is the word myth.

Main Entry: myth
Pronunciation: 'mith
Function: noun
Etymology: Greek mythos
Date: 1830
1 a : a usually traditional story of ostensibly historical events that serves to unfold part of the world view of a people or explain a practice, belief, or natural phenomenon b : PARABLE, ALLEGORY

This makes me go hmmmmm too?

2 a : a popular belief or tradition that has grown up around something or someone; especially : one embodying the ideals and institutions of a society or segment of society <seduced by the American myth of individualism —Orde Coombs> b : an unfounded or false notion

This one could mean any practices and or belief systems as well.

3 : a person or thing having only an imaginary or unverifiable existence
4 : the whole body of myths

This makes you wonder exactly how many unverifiable existences does each belief/religious practices have. It also makes me think about the action of having faith. To have faith in an unverifable existence can be considered a myth also. When I think about it, in all belief systems, some things required that you have faith. We base our faith on things that can't be verified, and have an unmovable spirit to believe anything opposite of it. Somehow the belief of our ancestors is classified as the ultimate myth. Makes me wonder, Who first determined what was myth and what was not myth.


:hearthis: :hearthis: :hearthis: :hearthis: :hearthis: :hearthis: :hearthis: :hearthis:

Big Ups Moorfius!

:flame: Moor Fiyah! Keep Burning down illusion. The truth about the risen SUN, is seen by the pure of heart. The Vernal(Spring) Equinox just passed (Mar. 20...hmmmm close to Easter) and as all enlightened beings know, that marks the "endtime" of the SUN making it's journey through the "underworld" (hell/winter) which "ironically" is marked by the Winter Solstice on Dec. 21(hmmm, close to Christmas). Spring marks the SUN'S "return" to illuminate the earth with it's ray's to help life "Spring" forward again (Plants, Trees, Birds, and Bees). That has been going on since time began. The "Christian" holiday is a later day version (2000 years ago) of the many festival's celebrated by the "pagans"...

Let's look at the definition of Pagan:

pa·gan

noun (plural pa·gans)

1. follower of a less popular religion: somebody who does not follow one of the world’s main religions, especially somebody who is not a Christian, Muslim, or Jew, and whose religion is regarded as questionable ( sometimes considered offensive )

Questionable b/c it isn't popular? :confused:

2. polytheist or pantheist: a follower of an ancient polytheistic or pantheistic religion

Why would anyone want to practice a religion that is older than Christianity, Judaism, or Islam? ;)

3. heathen: somebody who has no religion ( disapproving )

So What? LOL

adjective

1. of a less popular religion: believing in or relating to a religion that is not one of the world’s main religions and is regarded as questionable

2. following polytheistic or pantheistic religion: believing in or relating to an ancient polytheistic or pantheistic religion

3. nonreligious: having no religion ( sometimes considered offensive )

HMMMMM.... Kind of makes you wonder why going against the grain is so looked down on in this society.

:hearthis: :hearthis: :hearthis: :hearthis: :hearthis: :hearthis: :hearthis:
AAAAUUUUUMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!

7-16-2004
We have MUCH to learn from each other. Soon YOU will be the MASTER TEACHER. Soon come.


7-16-2004
(Smiling at Brother Aum)

I don't know about being a Master teacher but if we have something we both can share, Lets expose it!


STILL DON'T KNOW, PURPLEMOONS? :wink:

:hearthis: :hearthis: :hearthis: :hearthis: :hearthis: :hearthis: :hearthis:
AAAAUUUUUMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!

HEAR YA LOUD AND CLEAR! GET THAT FREQUENCY IN YOUR DNA... WE'RE TUNING INTO "DIFFERENT" CHANNELS THAN THE TELL-LIE-VISION.
:weights:

Back to the thread topic:

Easter, the greatest feast day in all Christendom, is determined astronomically by the longitude of the Sun and Moon in the Heavens, therefore it is not truly the anniversary of the resurrection of Jesus Christ...

In 325 AD, the bishops of the Nicene Council of Rome decided to use the science of astronomy in order to establish uniformity in determining what day Easter would fall on. It was established that Easter would always be on the first Sunday after the first Full Moon after the Vernal Equinox.

It was further established that if the Full Moon occurs on a Sunday, then Easter would be celebrated on the next Sunday...

The Sun, as the giver of life, has always been the object of man’s worship. It is the symbol of the divine flame that animates his body and provides the goal for his highest aspirations. Consequently, the religions of the world have incorporated solar phenomena into their theological doctrines, especially with regard to the timing of their holy days.

The time of the year when the Sun's path crosses the celestial equator is critical, since it signals the advent of spring and the triumph of the forces of light over the forces of darkness – a victory shown by the lengthening days. It is not surprising, therefore, that in ancient times when people worshipped the Sun, the time of the Vernal Equinox was celebrated as an occasion for rejoicing.

The Sun’s passage from a southerly to a northerly declination was assumed to mean that the Sun (or the Savior) had vanquished his enemies and arisen once again from the nether world to reign in triumph. This passing of the Sun over the ecliptic persists as the astronomical basis for the spring festival of Easter, and because of the continual changing of the Sun and Moon, Easter falls on a different date each year.

The early church was deeply divided as to the nature and time of the celebration of Easter. Some communions were influenced by the coincidence of Christ's death with the Jewish Passover. Others celebrated Easter on the 25th of March, the Vernal Equinox in the Julian calendar, and the day of resurrection of Attis, the Greek god of vegetation.

The similarities between the ancient legends of the crucifixion, the resurrection of the sun god, and the story of Jesus Christ so disconcerted the early church fathers that they promulgated the theory that Satan caused the heathens to adopt psuedo-Christian beliefs and practices. The early Spanish explorer Fernando Cortez (1485-1547), after arriving in Mexico and finding that the Mexicans also celebrated the time of the Vernal Equinox, complained bitterly that Satan had taught the Mexicans the same doctrines that God had taught the Christians!

“He Rose On The Third Day”: An Explanation

At Eastertime Christians are still being taught - however incorrectly - that Jesus was crucified on Friday and rose from the grave on Sunday, which renders null and void his prophetic words in Matthew 12:40:

“For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the whale's belly, so shall the Son of Man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.”

It is virtually impossible to get three days and three nights from Friday afternoon to Sunday morning. Theologians have grappled with this phenomenon for centuries, and until Christians are taught the knowledge of the Essene Doctrine, the Jewish calendar, and the fact that the Jewish day begins at sunset and not midnight, this false teaching will continue, and questions will still go largely unanswered.

Jesus was a member of a spiritual sect called the Essenes (pronounced “es-sen-eez”), and the Essene Paschal Supper took place on Wednesday evening, a day before the Passover Feast of the Pharisees and Sadducees. Jesus was subsequently crucified in the third hour (Mark 15:25) of the same day, which was at 9am Wednesday morning (remember the day begins at sunset).

According to the Biblical account he expired in the ninth hour (3 pm) and was taken off the cross soon after. He was brought to Joseph of Arimathea’s private tomb, where the Master Essene Physician (who had been concealed there) revived him. He was in the grave (i.e., the tomb) for three days and three nights, reappearing on the third day. Here is the explanation:

(a) From 6 pm Wednesday to 6 pm Thursday represents one night (6 pm-6 am) and one day (6 am-6 pm)...

(b) From 6 pm Thursday to 6 pm Friday represents two nights and two days...

(c) From 6 pm Friday to 6 pm Saturday represents three nights and three days...

“He rose on the third day,” i.e., dawn on Sunday, which begins at 6 pm Saturday. Thus the prophecy of Jesus in Matthew 12:40 was fulfilled...

In 325 AD, the bishops of the Nicene Council of Rome decided to use the science of astronomy in order to establish uniformity in determining what day Easter would fall on. It was established that Easter would always be on the first Sunday after the first Full Moon after the Vernal Equinox.

This year Easter falls on April 16, the first Sunday after the first Full Moon (April 13) after the Vernal Equinox (March 20).

This Man Jesus
By the Honorable Minister Louis Farrakhan
http://www.finalcall.com/artman/publish/article_1388.shtml

[Editor’s note: The following text on the life of Jesus and the significance of certain religious holidays is excerpted from an Easter Sunday message delivered by Minister Louis Farrakhan on April 15, 2001.]

They call this day Easter. Christians have celebrated it as the day of the resurrection of Jesus and His ascension to be with Allah (God) to wait until a particular time that He may come again and judge the world. However, it is strange that every year the resurrection takes place at a different time. It would seem that if my mom, my dad, or my leader died on a particular day, that every year around that time, we would honor his or her passing. However, Easter comes at different times. Sometimes Jesus is resurrected in March, and, sometimes in April. Why is that? What is all of this nonsense about Easter eggs being laid by a bunny rabbit rather than a chicken? Why on this day do you find it necessary to enrich the rich by buying new garments to wear to church like you’re putting on a fashion show? What does this have to do with the resurrection of Jesus Christ?

Then there is another mystery. It is said that Jesus died on a Friday, and, they call it Good Friday. I tried to figure that one out, and, I came to the conclusion that the good in it was that His Death, not His Birth, or His Ministry meant the beginning of the religion or the faith. His Death meant salvation for those whom they say He died for. If a man dies for your sins and my sins, tell me why is there a judgment? If he died for my sins, then, I do not have to pay my debt because it has been paid. What is all this talk about the punishment of hell if Jesus died for me?

It is said He would be dead for three days. He dies on a Friday and on early Sunday morning He gets up, but, He did not die early Friday morning because he was on the cross for 11 to12 hours just hanging there, before He finally gave up the ghost. So, that had to be Friday evening. From Friday evening until Saturday evening is 24 hours. From Saturday evening until Sunday evening would be 48 hours. So, what are you talking about three days in the grave?

We have raised these questions because we need to understand how Christianity has become corrupted and is far away from the Real Message of Jesus Christ. If the scripture tells us that Satan would deceive the whole world, then, that is a pretty big deception, but, what is this deception about? The deception of Satan is about Allah (God), because Satan understood that he had a limited season to do his work, but, on the Coming of Allah (God), Satan would be discovered, uncovered, revealed and Satan’s world would begin to be upset by the Presence of Truth.

Whenever pagans are convinced of the Truth of Divine Revelation, they are never happy until they can incorporate some of their old ways into the truth. They can never do it while the bearer of truth is present. They can only do it after the bearer of truth is gone. Jesus never told the people to worship Him. Jesus told the people to follow Him and to worship the Father. He never tried to equal Himself to His Father. He never taught three gods.

The Jews were given the Law by Moses, which starts with the Commandment that, "The Lord, your God, is one God and thou shalt have none other gods before HimAnd, thou shalt not make any graven images, any statues, and bow down to them or worship them." That is the law. When Jesus healed on the Sabbath day, they got angry with Jesus and accused Him of breaking the law, and, the words of Jesus were, "I have not come to change the law but to fulfill what was written in the law." So, the greatest change would be if Moses and all the prophets from Abraham on up taught that Allah (God) is One, and, Jesus said He did not come to change the law, but, then started teaching that Allah (God) was three in one—a Father, a Son, and a Holy Ghost—and that the three of them were equal.

Jesus never said He was a third part. He said, "Worship the Father. There is none good but the Father." When he was on the cross, one man said, "If you be the son of God take yourself down from this cross and get me down too." Jesus could not take Himself down nor one of the thieves that was mocking Him. He cried out, "Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani." Who was he calling? He said, "My God, my God, why have thou forsaken me?" Those nearby said, "Behold, He calls for Elijah … let us see if Elijah will take him down."

When King Constantine accepted Christianity he wanted to appease the pagans because Christianity would then become the religion of Rome. The Romans were worshipers of a sun god. They worshiped the sun as a god. So, since Jesus was called the Son of Allah (God), they tried to incorporate sun worship with the worship of Jesus as the Son of (God).

They said Jesus was born on the 25th day of December, but, the scripture says there were shepherds abiding in the field tending their flocks by night. In Palestine in December it is cold. The sheep are in the barn. Shepherds are not out in December, but, they are out in September and October.

The sun worshipers saw the sun leaving them because the days were getting shorter, and when it got to the 21st of December, which is called the winter solstice, the sun appears to stand still. It is the shortest day of the year. The sun worshipers determined that at the time when the sun stands still and begins its journey back toward them, where the days start getting longer, they call it the birth of the sun. They burn a Yule log and they have a holly wreath, which is round-looking like the sun.

If you look in the 10th chapter of the book of Jeremiah, it says, "The heathens go in the forest and they cut down a tree and they deck it with silver and with gold." What do you do at Christmas time? You let them sell you a tree and you put it up in your living room and dress it down with tinsels. You put little balls on the branches of the tree. These balls represent the sun. You put candle lights in your windows, which represent the sun.

Around March 21, between the last part of March and early April we get what is called the vernal equinox, where the sun is in a certain position relative to the earth. When the sun and the earth are in this position, winter ends and spring begins. When spring comes it is marked by the springing to life of the earth after its death in winter. The sap begins to rise in the trees and the trees begin to bud. Flowers begin to come out of the trees and on the bushes. So, you have your Easter bonnet with little flowers on it and you feel springy.

What is the significance of a rabbit? The rabbit is one of the fastest producers, so the rabbit is used for Easter to show that spring has sprung and life has come back into the earth from its death, and, as the sap rises in the tree you find nature beginning to take its course. When the pagans were worshiping the goddess of fertility, which means that they had these sexual orgies, during this time, when Christianity became the religion of Rome, not wanting to give up their paganism they began to incorporate sun worship into the worship of Jesus Christ as the Son of God.

King Constantine had a vision of a cross. The interesting thing about this cross was that there was a snake climbing up on it. A snake cannot be upright. A snake has to get up on something that is standing up and it weaves its way around the thing that is standing and then can attack you from above. Constantine saw these Latin words, "In Hoc Signo Vinces," meaning "With this sign we conquer." So, Moses is lifting up a serpent, a human being that has a nature to lean toward that, which is against the will, the way, the practice of Allah (God).

Allah (God) says in the Qur’an that everything submits except the rebellious devil. The sun submits, the moon submits, the stars submit, the mountains submit, the fish, the birds, the bees, and, the animals, they all submit. Well, what is wrong with us that we are in rebellion to Allah (God). Who taught us rebellion? Paul said that sin is transgression of the law. The scripture says that as by one man sin entered into the world and death came also by sin. All men have sinned and death is upon all men.
Constantine wanted to use the cross, not a fish, because he wasn’t fishing people out of the sea of sin. That is the work of Jesus, not Constantine, and not Christianity as Christianity is taught, preached and practiced. Christianity tolerates sin and it makes you believe that Jesus died for your sins so you can keep on raising hell without ever facing a Day of Judgment.

The True Teaching of Jesus is what you want. It is what I want. The True Teaching of Jesus Christ is what the whole world needs. If Satan is going to deceive us, he has to deceive us about the most important person, and, the most important person is Allah (God) and Jesus because Jesus is the one that ends the power of Satan. He absolutely overcomes death.

If you are on a horizontal level, you are living your life, not as an upright human being, but, you are living your life as a low-life human being with a dog-like existence. A people that have taken their low desires as a god besides Allah (God), a lying, thieving, people. You are operating on a dead level. When you operate on that level, you are not of Jesus. You are of Satan, but, he has masqueraded so well, he has you thinking you are with Jesus, but, you are with Satan all the time.

© Copyright 2006 FCN Publishing, FinalCall.com

This was very interesting!

However, Easter comes at different times. Sometimes Jesus is resurrected in March and sometimes in April. Why is that?Easter is determined astronomically by the longitude of the Sun and Moon in the Heavens, therefore it is not truly the anniversary of the resurrection of Jesus Christ. In 325 AD, the bishops of the Nicene Council of Rome decided to use the science of astronomy in order to establish uniformity in determining what day Easter would fall on. It was established that Easter would always be on the first Sunday after the first Full Moon after the Vernal Equinox.

It is said he would be dead for three days. He dies on a Friday and on early Sunday morning he gets up, but, He did not die early Friday morning because he was on the cross for 11 to 12 hours just hanging there, before he finally gave up the ghost. So, that had to be Friday evening. From Friday evening until Saturday evening is 24 hours. From Saturday evening until Sunday evening would be 48 hours. So, what are you talking about three days in the grave?True, it is virtually impossible to get three days and three nights from Friday afternoon to Sunday morning. Theologians have grappled with this phenomenon for centuries, and until Christians are taught the knowledge of the Essene Doctrine, the Jewish calendar, and the fact that the Jewish day begins at sunset and not midnight, this false teaching will continue, and questions will still go largely unanswered.

Jesus was a member of a spiritual sect called the Essenes, and the Essene Paschal Supper took place on Wednesday evening, a day before the Passover Feast of the Pharisees and Sadducees. Jesus was subsequently crucified in the third hour (Mark 15:25) of the same day, which was at 9 am Wednesday morning (remember the day begins at sunset). According to the Biblical account he expired in the ninth hour (3 pm) and was taken off the cross soon after. He was brought to Joseph of Arimathea’s private tomb, where the Master Essene Physician (who had been concealed there) revived him. He was in the grave (i.e., the tomb) for three days and three nights, reappearing on the third day. Here is the explanation:

From 6 pm Wednesday to 6 pm Thursday represents one night (6 pm-6 am) and one day (6 am-6 pm).

From 6 pm Thursday to 6 pm Friday represents two nights and two days.

From 6 pm Friday to 6 pm Saturday represents three nights and three days.

“He rose on the third day,” i.e., dawn on Sunday, which begins at 6 pm Saturday. Thus the prophecy of Jesus in Matthew 12:40 was fulfilled.

Christians celebrate Good Friday, not Good Wednesday.

From Wikipedia:

"Some Baptist, many Sabbatarian and non-denominational churches do not celebrate Good Friday, instead observing the Crucifixion on Wednesday to coincide with the Jewish sacrifice of the Passover Lamb. A Wednesday Crucifixion of Jesus Christ allows for Christ to be in the tomb (heart of the earth) for three days and three nights as he told the Pharisees he would be (Matthew 12:40), rather than two nights and a day if he died on Friday. This notion arises from the ignorance of the Latin calendar's inclusive nature. Three days includes Friday and Sunday."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Good_Friday

Btw, Easter has not fallen on the earliest of the 35 possible dates - March 22 - since 1818, and will not do so again until 2285, which is 467 years! It will, however, fall on March 23 - just one day after its earliest possible date - in 2008.

Easter last fell on the latest possible date - April 25 - in 1943, and will again fall on that date in 2038. However, it will fall on April 24 - just one day before this latest possible date - in 2011.

From Wikipedia:

"Some Baptist, many Sabbatarian and non-denominational churches do not celebrate Good Friday, instead observing the Crucifixion on Wednesday to coincide with the Jewish sacrifice of the Passover Lamb. A Wednesday Crucifixion of Jesus Christ allows for Christ to be in the tomb (heart of the earth) for three days and three nights as he told the Pharisees he would be (Matthew 12:40), rather than two nights and a day if he died on Friday. This notion arises from the ignorance of the Latin calendar's inclusive nature. Three days includes Friday and Sunday."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Good_Friday
I do not think including Friday and Sunday as a full 3 days on a calendar equates to 72 hours of time passing. Friday evening to Sunday morning is not a full 3 days.

"Using the data in the Gospels and other sources to calculate the date of Christ's death is not a simple matter. It is believed by many to have occurred on a Friday evening in April. The Catholic Good Friday in the Roman Rite afternoon service involves a series of readings and meditations, as well as the (sung) reading of the Passion account from the Gospel of John which is often read dramatically, with the priest, one or more readers, and the congregation all taking part. Many Protestant communities hold special services on this day as well."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Good_Friday

Easter is determined astronomically by the longitude of the Sun and Moon in the Heavens, therefore it is not truly the anniversary of the resurrection of Jesus Christ. In 325 AD, the bishops of the Nicene Council of Rome decided to use the science of astronomy in order to establish uniformity in determining what day Easter would fall on. It was established that Easter would always be on the first Sunday after the first Full Moon after the Vernal Equinox. LOL, it was a rhetorical question, but thanks for the explanation. It is well known that easter follows the vernal equinox (or maybe not to some...).

True, it is virtually impossible to get three days and three nights from Friday afternoon to Sunday morning. Theologians have grappled with this phenomenon for centuries, and until Christians are taught the knowledge of the Essene Doctrine, the Jewish calendar, and the fact that the Jewish day begins at sunset and not midnight, this false teaching will continue, and questions will still go largely unanswered.

"As the Sabbath is Friday evening until Saturday evening and
Jesus died just prior to the Sabbath (they didn't want his body
to be left on the cross during the Sabbath), Jesus had to have
died prior to Friday evening.

Therefore, Jesus died just prior to the 1st Passover feast day
(which that year fell on the Sabbath), on Friday before evening,
in 33 AD."

http://www.aloha.net/~mikesch/pasover.htm

"Anchor point #1: Jesus died at 3pm and was buried on the preparation day (the day before the Sabbath) before sunset, which would begin the Sabbath day.

Anchor point #2: The seventh-day Sabbath was the day after the crucifixion, because the women rested that Sabbath day (Saturday) according to the fourth commandment of God. Therefore, the crucifixion had to have occurred on a Friday.

Mat 17:23 And they shall kill him, and *the third day* he shall be raised again. And they were exceeding sorry.

Mat 20:19 And shall deliver him to the Gentiles to mock, and to scourge, and to crucify him: and *the third day* he shall rise again.

Mark 9:31 For he taught his disciples, and said unto them, The Son of man is delivered into the hands of men, and they shall kill him; and after that he is killed, he shall rise *the third* day.

Acts 10:39 And we are witnesses of all things which he did both in the land of the Jews, and in Jerusalem; whom they slew and hanged on a tree:
Acts 10:40 Him God raised up *the third day*, and showed him openly;

1 Cor 15:3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;

Anchor point #3: Jesus was resurrected ON the third day after His death and burial, not after three literal days. If He rose after 72 hours, then all the above verses would read on the FOURTH day.


Luke 24:1 Now *upon the first day of the week*, very early in the morning, they came unto the sepulchre, bringing the spices which they had prepared, and certain others with them.

Mark 16:9 Now when Jesus was risen early the first day of the week, he appeared first to Mary Magdalene, out of whom he had cast seven devils."

Was the first day of the week Saturday or Sunday according to the Essenes? I'm not sure, but that would shed some light on this perspective for me.

Peace

“He rose on the third day,” i.e., dawn on Sunday, the first day of the week, which begins at 6 pm Saturday, the last day of the week.

“He rose on the third day,” i.e., dawn on Sunday, the first day of the week, which begins at 6 pm Saturday, the last day of the week.OK, so you are saying Sunday is the first day of the week. This gets confusing, because this other opinion refuting the Wednesday theory says Sunday would be the fourth day and not the third. It seems there should be some consistency with how this day is referred to. It cannot be both Saturday and Sunday at the same time.

OK, so you are saying Sunday is the first day of the week. This gets confusing, because this other opinion refuting the Wednesday theory says Sunday would be the fourth day and not the third. It seems there should be some consistency with how this day is referred to. It cannot be both Saturday and Sunday at the same time.

LOL, so now "Good Friday" now becomes "Good Wednesday?? :confused:

This story becomes all the more fictitious, the more that it is "explained".

All's I wanna know is: What day does Christmas fall on? :?:

PEACE

LOL, so now "Good Friday" now becomes "Good Wednesday?? :confused:

This story becomes all the more fictitious, the more that it is "explained".

All's I wanna know is: What day does Christmas fall on? :?:

PEACELOL, now you've opened up a whole new can of worms. Save that discussion for December.

The Last Seder: Unscrambling the Baffling Chronology of the First Christian Passover

By Michael P. Germano

There is a solution to the chronology of the Passover of Jesus death given in the gospels. The key is that there were two calendars leading to two contiguous Passovers in the year of the Crucifixion. When and where did The Last Supper occur? Can we know the precise day of the week that Jesus of Nazareth died? Some argue for Friday, others hold it was a Wednesday, and a few claim it was Thursday. No matter what evidence is put forth there are diehards who refuse to consider the evidence because it does not fit their religious paradigm.

In Part I of this article I set forth a theory that harmonizes the internal evidence of the New Testament, including pertinent evidence gleaned from a review of the scholarly literature. It's a unique solution. This theory, a simple explanation to a complex problem, is the only one in a field of conflicting theories offered since the Reformation consistent with Occam's Razor and the details of the gospels.

In this article I develop a set of hypotheses based on the theory, which appears below in narrative form, in order to undertake an objective attempt to falsify it. I also set forth the criterion for falsification of each hypothesis. Putting the theory to the test by testing these hypotheses against the biblical, historical, and archeological record will appear in Part III. This methodology is the way that knowledge advances. In short, the theory is that in the year of the Crucifixion, most probably 30 AD, the traditional Passover of the Jewish people immediately followed the Passover of the Jewish Essene sect, such that the latter kept a meatless Passover Seder on Tuesday night and the former a full Passover Seder on Wednesday night.

The gospel accounts detail various events occurring on these two contiguous Passovers. Jesus observed a Tuesday night Passover meal with his disciples, his Last Supper, in the Upper City of Jerusalem. Following that event Jewish authorities arrested him, leading to his hasty trial and Crucifixion that very same day. Therefore, he and his disciples could not have eaten of the Passover lamb as the sacrifice of the lambs for the Passover ritual did not begin until the afternoon of the preparation day, several hours after Jesus' impalement on the cross.

As a result, within a single 24-hour period Jesus kept a meatless Seder with his disciples and died before traditional Jews took a Passover meal. Jesus’ interment in a temporary tomb near the Crucifixion site occurred just as the day, Wednesday, ended at sunset. There he remained in the tomb, or in the heart of the earth, for a full three days and three nights, beginning Wednesday night - as the annual Passover Sabbath began on Nisan 15 - and ending with the setting of the sun Saturday night when the weekly Sabbath concluded on Nisan 18.

The chronological task at hand is the investigation of the day of the week of the arrest, trial, and death of Jesus. When one begins the determination of the year of Jesus death, then astronomical phenomena and other chronological issues begin to obfuscate what the gospel writers understood as the weekday of the Passion. The underlying assumption is that the four gospel writers understood these events - i.e., the arrest, trial, crucifixion, and entombment of Jesus - to have occurred within the single 24-hour weekday they recognized as the preparation day for the high sabbath (the Feast of Unleavened Bread).

The contention that these four events occurred on a Wednesday is not a new one. Neither is the proposition that there were two contiguous Passovers in the year of Jesus’ execution. What is unique is the chronological solution resulting from an analysis based upon the occurrence of two contiguous Passovers that year where the first (the Essene Passover based on their solar calendar) was identical to the preparation day for the traditional Passover of the Jews (based on a lunar-solar calendar).

The scholarly literature abounds with explanations of the gospel details setting forth the chronology of these events. A number of these argue that the Last Supper occurred on a Tuesday night. Over a century ago Ethelbert Bullinger included "Appendix 156" in The Companion Bible, wherein he set forth the chronology of the Passion week holding that the arrest, trial, crucifixion and entombment of Jesus Christ occurred on a Wednesday preparation day.

Andrew Davidson, writing in the Palestine Exploration Fund in 1906, held that the Crucifixion occurred on a Wednesday, because the gospels refer to the Crucifixion as taking place before an annual Sabbath, not a weekly Sabbath.

W. Graham Scroggie argued in his A Guide to the Gospels that the Crucifixion occurred on Wednesday based on Matthew 12:40, and "the number and nature of the happenings between the death of Jesus and his burial."

James A. Walther, in an article entitled "The Chronology of the Passion Week" published in the Journal of Biblical Literature, mentions that for centuries numerous Catholic writers maintained that Jesus ate the Passover Tuesday night. He writes: "References in the Didascalia, in Epiphanius, in Victorinus of Pettau, and in the Book of Adam and Eve support the Tuesday night Passover dating and the subsequent arrest of Jesus in the morning hours of Wednesday."

Perhaps the most vocal proponents of the Wednesday Crucifixion theory in the late 20th century were televangelists Herbert W. Armstrong and his son Garner Ted Armstrong. In their literature, radio programs, and telecasts, they vigorously advocated a Wednesday Crucifixion understanding. Various claimants to their spiritual legacy continue to expound this theory.

In "Appendix II" of his The Death of the Messiah, Raymond E. Brown acknowledges that such theories exist. He points out that attempts by scholars to deal with the discrepancies between the Synoptics and John include explanations that require the rearranging of scriptural sequences to reach the intended result, or call for two Passover celebrations one day apart. He addresses the idea - now denigrated - that the Galileans may have “celebrated Passover one day earlier than was customary in Jerusalem,” as well as the failed proposition that the Pharisees may have followed one calculation and the Sadducees another. He also describes the flawed idea, often promulgated, that the Last Supper was not a paschal meal.

In a separate discussion of the Essene calendar, Brown reports that for the Essenes “the 15th of Nisan (the date of the pascal meal) always began Tuesday night and continued through Wednesday daytime,” referring to Annie Jaubert and Eugene Ruckstuhl. Both advocated a Tuesday night Last Supper, claiming Jesus followed the Essene calendar in the matter. As vegetarians, the Essenes consistently observed their meatless Passover on Tuesday evenings, and provided opportunity for others to observe it in their Mount Sion guest house in the Upper City of Jerusalem. They had their own small gate in the Herodian wall exiting on the Valley of Jezebel. Jesus was no Essene, but that does not preclude him from observing the Last Supper as a meatless Pascal meal at the Essene guest house in Jerusalem.

Both Jaubert and Ruckstuhl, however, as did Bargil Pixner, advocated a Tuesday night Last Supper consistent with the Essene calendar, but held nevertheless that the Crucifixion occurred on a Friday. Brown charts out this twist on a Friday Crucifixion with a rearrangement of scriptural sequence, but does not re-address a Wednesday Crucifixion in the context of the Wednesday Essene Passover. He previously rejected the idea of “two adjacent days as Passover” and did not reconsider the proposition in light of these data. The worldviews of Pixner, Brown, Jaubert and Ruckstuhl called for a Friday Crucifixion and a Sunday Resurrection. Due to their cultural bias they simply could not conceive of the veracity of the alternative. The problem is that the alternative they failed to address is the very solution to the harmonization of the Synoptics and John. Of course they would have to abandon the Good Friday-Easter tradition.

http://www.bibarch.com/Perspectives/Articles/7.1B.htm

“He rose on the third day,” i.e., dawn on Sunday, the first day of the week, which begins at 6 pm Saturday, the last day of the week. OK, so you are saying Sunday is the first day of the week. This gets confusing, because this other opinion refuting the Wednesday theory says Sunday would be the fourth day and not the third. It seems there should be some consistency with how this day is referred to. It cannot be both Saturday and Sunday at the same time.Sunday has always been the first day of the week. The Biblical statement, “He arose on the third day” refers to the third day after the Crucifixion, which was Sunday, the first day of the week...

(Remember, the Jewish day begins at sunset, not midnight...)

This is confusing everything I was ever taught about holidays:confused:
Although it's some very good info.

Sunday has always been the first day of the week. The Biblical statement, “He arose on the third day” refers to the third day after the Crucifixion, which was Sunday, the first day of the week...

(Remember, the Jewish day begins at sunset, not midnight...)


(a) From 6 pm Wednesday to 6 pm Thursday represents one night (6 pm-6 am) and one day (6 am-6 pm)...

(b) From 6 pm Thursday to 6 pm Friday represents two nights and two days...

(c) From 6 pm Friday to 6 pm Saturday represents three nights and three days...


According to you,
Wednesday at 3pm (9th Hour) - Death
Sunday morning (after 6pm on Saturday) - Rises from Grave

Count with me... (remember, we are now counting days not duration of time)

Day 1: Wednesday (6pm - 5:59:59PM)
*death at 3pm after being on cross at 9am

Day 2: Thursday (6pm - 5:59:59PM)

Day 3: Friday (6pm - 5:59:59PM)

Day 4: Saturday (6pm - 5:59:59PM)
*Rises from the grave at some point

Day 5: Sunday morning (6pm - 6am)
*Well lookie here, seems Sunday is a whole different day.


This is not adding up, and is all the more reason why it's hard to believe it happened 2,000 years ago.

According to you,
Wednesday at 3pm (9th hour) - Death
Sunday morning (after 6pm on Saturday) - Rises from Grave

Count with me... (remember, we are now counting days not duration of time)

Day 1: Wednesday (6pm - 5:59:59PM)
*death at 3pm after being on cross at 9amFrom 6 pm Wednesday to 6 pm Thursday represents 1 night (6 pm-6 am) and 1 day (6 am-6 pm).

Day 2: Thursday (6pm - 5:59:59PM)From 6 pm Thursday to 6 pm Friday represents 2 nights and 2 days.

Day 3: Friday (6pm - 5:59:59PM)From 6 pm Friday to 6 pm Saturday represents 3 nights and 3 days.

Day 4: Saturday (6pm - 5:59:59PM)*Rises from the grave at some point.This is incorrect. “He rose on the third day,” i.e., dawn (6 am) on Sunday, which begins at sunset (6 pm) on Saturday.

Day 5: Sunday morning (6pm - 6am)*Well lookie here, seems Sunday is a whole different day.Not really...:)

From 6 pm Wednesday to 6 pm Thursday represents 1 night (6 pm-6 am) and 1 day (6 am-6 pm).

From 6 pm Thursday to 6 pm Friday represents 2 nights and 2 days.

From 6 pm Friday to 6 pm Saturday represents 3 nights and 3 days.

This is incorrect. “He rose on the third day,” i.e., dawn (6 am) on Sunday, which begins at sunset (6 pm) on Saturday.

Not really...:)

I read this the first time you posted it, but you forgot..."remember, we are now counting days not duration of time" :?:

If I am saying someone ate chicken on day 1, turkey on day 2, and (God forbid) pork on day 3, that has nothing to do with the amount of time that passed between them eating chicken and pork. I am simply numbering the days.

you mean that a rabbitt didn't jump outta the egg?...just messin with ya,easter doesn't get the attention that it once did,where are the little kids in thier easter finest?

you mean that a rabbitt didn't jump outta the egg?...just messin with ya,easter doesn't get the attention that it once did,where are the little kids in thier easter finest?:laugh: I agree, I think Black folks are slowly starting to know better (or just not care). Especially young people...the same old tricks don't work as easily with youth today.

This is incorrect. “He rose on the third day,” i.e., dawn (6 am) on Sunday, which begins at sunset (6 pm) on Saturday.
6am begins at 6pm? Ookaaaaay

Sorry uplift but in Jesus own words
For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of the great fish, so will the Son of Man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.
Mt 12:40

Soon as you think the bible says one thing there's a verse somewhere that says something else.

:laugh: I agree, I think Black folks are slowly starting to know better (or just not care). Especially young people...the same old tricks don't work as easily with youth today.
Yes, I used to be among those gulible creatures who believed the christians camouflaged their holidays around pagan holidays to awoid persecution.

What hogwash. These holidays were instituted by Roman Catholics in the fourth century. Far from being persecuted they were the ones killing anyone who didn't believe what they said.

Sorry uplift but in Jesus own words

For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of the great fish, so will the Son of Man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.
Mt 12:40

Soon as you think the bible says one thing there's a verse somewhere that says something else.Actually, I agree that three days and three nights is correct. I was disputing this whole Wednesday death theory, on the basis of "he rose on the first day of the week" which is Sunday.

“He rose on the third day,” i.e., dawn (6 am) on Sunday, which begins at sunset (6 pm) on Saturday.6am begins at 6pm? Ookaaaaay...The Jewish day begins at sunset, not midnight. Sunset marks the start of the 12 night hours, whereas sunrise marks the start of the 12 day hours. Jewish law defines one day ending at nightfall, which is when the next day then begins. Thus, the Jewish Sabbath begins at sundown Friday night and ends at nightfall Saturday night (traditionally, after three stars can be seen on the sky), according to Jewish law...

The Bible is the source for all things Christian, and it does mention Easter. In Acts 12:1, King Herod began to persecute the Church, culminating in the brutal death of the apostle James by sword. This pleased the Jews so much that the apostle Peter was also taken prisoner by Herod. The plan was to later deliver him to the Jews. Verse 3 says, “Then were the Days of Unleavened Bread.” The New Testament Church was observing these feast-days described in Leviticus 23. Now read verse 4: “And when he [Herod] had apprehended him, he put him in prison, and delivered him to four quaternions of soldiers to keep him; intending after Easter (i.e, 'Days of Unleavened Bread') to bring him forth to the people.”

However, this passage is not talking about Easter. The word translated "Easter" is the Greek word pascha (derived from the Hebrew word pesach). There is no original Greek word for "Passover," and it has only one meaning. It always means Passover - it can never mean Easter! For this reason, we find a Hebrew word used in the Greek New Testament. Once again, this Hebrew word can only refer to Passover. And other translations, including the RSV, correctly render this word "Passover."

Instead of endorsing Easter, this verse really proves that the Church was still observing the supposedly Jewish Passover ten years after the death of Christ! There are absolutely no verses, anywhere in the Bible, that authorize or endorse the keeping of Easter celebration...

To the vegetarians on Easter:
Happy Day of Unleavened Bread!

:)

The same to you, Brother Aqil. Break bread...LOL