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HOW TO EAT TO LIVE

Reprinted from the May 24, 1968 edition of Muhammad Speaks Newspaper

BY ELIJAH MUHAMMAD, MESSENGER OF ALLAH

Eat one meal a day or one meal every two days, if you are able. If you eat the proper food, and not poison food and drink,you will prolong your life, make yourself youthful, and will keep away sickness, and suffering (even colds), said Allah to me in the Person of Master Fard Muhammad, to Whom praises are due forever.

KEEP THE body and the mind clean. Do good to self and to others. Keep away from evil and remember Allah always, and He Who Came in the Person of Master Fard Muhammad, to Whom praises are due forever, will remember you. But, you must eat pure food (the food that Allah has pointed out to us to eat) and stay away from that which He Forbids us to eat, such as swine flesh (the hog).

I will be a happy man when I see the day that our Black people forsake the hog. This divinely prohibited flesh (the swine) can be the cause of most of our sickness. The professional people such as doctors and religious scholars and scientists, know this to be true. But, in this wicked world (of the white race) they were made to teach against the good Law and Guidance of Almighty God, Allah, to Whom praises are due forever.

ALL THAT God Says "thou shall not do," the white race says "thou shall do" or "thou should do." And then, they are bold enough to ask you "what is wrong with eating the pig." The hog, according to the teaching of God, in the Person of Master Fard Muhammad, to Whom praises are due forever, is very poisonous. It contains more poison than a rattlesnake.

Of course white people eat rattle snakes. It is not the flesh of the rattle snake which is so poisonous, but the sac full of poison, which it carries in its mouth. When the rattle snake strikes you, it empties the sac of poison into you flesh. This causes death to the victim, if he does not receive attention quickly, But the actual flesh of the hog is 999% poison (nearly 1000%) as taught to me by God, in the Person of Master Fard Muhammad, to Whom praises are due forever. This poison is not going to kill you instantly. It drags you along for many years.

IT IS a very deceitful poison. It is in the form of live worms commonly called pork worms (trichinae). In a hog eater's body, these worms multiply by the millions. They first enter the walls of the stomach and then from the stomach pass out into the intestinal walls. And, from the intestines they travel up the back in the spinal cord into the muscles of the body and finally into the brain. When these worms get into these two places, last mentioned (of the body), the disease becomes incurable.


http://www.muhammadspeaks.com/blackchildwithtrichnosis.jpg
This is an example of a parasitic roundworm, Ascaris, in a young child. Trichinella is responsible for the most serious roundworm-caused disease, which is known as trichinosis. They live in pigs’ intestines and produce young that make their way to muscle tissue and form tough cysts. Source: www.personal.psu.edu/.../Human%20Impact.htm


Look at the pictures in physiology books or in the dictionary where this worm is enlarged several hundred times. The lives of people with such poisonous worms in their bodies are usually limited to less than one hundred years, and for many, less than seventy years. There are a few who live past a hundred years, whose constitutions may have been much stronger than others.


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Trichina (enlarged through microscope) encysted in muscle. Picture from www.answers.com/topic/trichina

YOU MAY say, "one hundred years is all I would want to live". No, this is not the Truth. You would like to live a hundred thousand years if you could, when death approaches, you, for this is the law of life; it always wants to stay here.

Eating any kind of flesh is not good for us, not even beef. No animal flesh can be said to be good for human consumption, not even fowls, and very few fish, not to think of the scavengers of the water, such as crabs, shrimps and oysters.

We must learn to eat vegetables and fruits and stay away from land flesh. It is a little difficult for us to suddenly stop eating beef, lamb, and chicken, but we must wean away from such flesh gradually.

EATING one meal a day prolongs your life if you eat the right food. People will soon live a life of one thousand years, after the removal of this wicked world.

Peace,

Indeed. Put the swine down. It's like eating death.

Peace

Peace,

Indeed. Put the swine down. It's like eating death.

Peace

T.Y. I gave it up yrs ago, and found out it was also considered to
be unclean to the Kemetians 5000 yrs ago.

Interesting but all due respect my brother. But you must have no idea what they do to the cows to make them bigger, much faster to keep up with the demand. Or the chicken and other animals that we consume daily. Not to mention the vegetables that we eat daily.

IMHO, we should eat pork. Cooked properly is actually better then beef. With Beef, most don't cook their steaks all the way and those parasites are still alive when we eat it.

Much respect to your religion. But it is what it is. I have one word that will prolong longer life. It's called , "moderation". Or simply grow your own food.

Good day

Interesting but all due respect my brother. But you must have no idea what they do to the cows to make them bigger, much faster to keep up with the demand. Or the chicken and other animals that we consume daily. Not to mention the vegetables that we eat daily.

IMHO, we should eat pork. Cooked properly is actually better then beef. With Beef, most don't cook their steaks all the way and those parasites are still alive when we eat it.

Much respect to your religion. But it is what it is. I have one word that will prolong longer life. It's called , "moderation". Or simply grow your own food.

Good day



Jus saying: In the Bible it says not eat it. In the Quran it says not to it. From reading the post of this thread I have found our ancestors said don't eat it. It appears to me that "Swine" is no good regardless of religion. It's the only meat that I have found that doesn't mold like others. It produces and carries parasites, this cant be good.

IMHO: Eat Halal or Kosher foods or as you said grow ur own.. As far as not cooking "Beef" all the way, some of our ppl may not but most whites don't. It's only juicy and good when it's bleeding. Real Talk, "Stay away from that Swine and don't eat meat daily, it's not good for ya.

Nasheed Hameen

Interesting but all due respect my brother. But you must have no idea what they do to the cows to make them bigger, much faster to keep up with the demand. Or the chicken and other animals that we consume daily. Not to mention the vegetables that we eat daily.

IMHO, we should eat pork. Cooked properly is actually better then beef. With Beef, most don't cook their steaks all the way and those parasites are still alive when we eat it.

Much respect to your religion. But it is what it is. I have one word that will prolong longer life. It's called , "moderation". Or simply grow your own food.

Good day



Im not a religious person.It's not about religion is about common sense and science.Of course,the fact that most spirituality since the ancient kemetians,tell you the hog is an abomination, should be enough but you have to check the truth by yourself:common sense tell you that it's nasty to eat the flesh of a beast who eat everything under the sun,dead or alive(ask the mobster how they get rid of their ennemies) including its own excrements;Science teach you that the pork is a vessel that contains many disease,such as influenza:the so called H1N1 aka swine flu is a testimony of the dangerosity of this flesh to Us and also a divine sign to forsake that abomination.

But hey,at the end of the day,you do what you want to do,but don't expect to have a healthy life.Peace

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Go on and get yourself a pig ear sandwich. Don't forget the chit'lins, tripe and trotters. And New Years is coming so clean out your oven for the racoon I'm certain your gonna wanna eat. Now is the time to find that hog head cheese. If your sadity you will eat it n a cracker rather than plain slices. Eat until your hearts content. Let me know where all you forms are like your will and your power of attorney, etc. I'll make sure at your end you will go quickly and humanely. For a small fee.

Interesting but all due respect my brother. But you must have no idea what they do to the cows to make them bigger, much faster to keep up with the demand. Or the chicken and other animals that we consume daily. Not to mention the vegetables that we eat daily.

IMHO, we should eat pork. Cooked properly is actually better then beef. With Beef, most don't cook their steaks all the way and those parasites are still alive when we eat it.

Much respect to your religion. But it is what it is. I have one word that will prolong longer life. It's called , "moderation". Or simply grow your own food.

Good day






blkbutterfly41,

Welcome to Destee.com! Sister, it takes courage to make the case for pork, but I must agree with it being cooked properly. Moreover, all else that you state is on point and correct as well...Peace In blkbutterfly41, for real!

Im not a religious person.It's not about religion is about common sense and science.Of course,the fact that most spirituality since the ancient kemetians,tell you the hog is an abomination, should be enough but you have to check the truth by yourself:common sense tell you that it's nasty to eat the flesh of a beast who eat everything under the sun,dead or alive(ask the mobster how they get rid of their ennemies) including its own excrements;Science teach you that the pork is a vessel that contains many disease,such as influenza:the so called H1N1 aka swine flu is a testimony of the dangerosity of this flesh to Us and also a divine sign to forsake that abomination.

But hey,at the end of the day,you do what you want to do,but don't expect to have a healthy life.Peace


Thank you My brother, for the information. And Again to each their own. I lived in the city all my life but also had the best of both world. As my grand parents were farmers. Pigs DO NOT EAT EVERYTHING. Take a look at the chicken. **smile** The reason why they didn't eat pork is because it does NOT eat its cure and The pig has no veins.

In ancient times they had their reasons. ( For most it has more to do with which animal they worshiped and the common folks did eat pig because it was the cheapest. Not much different then, now ) And for the most part it was logical, and economical.

However, at this stage of the game, the chicken, cow, pig and even seafood, hold it's own "man made" dangers. I CHOOSE to use moderation and proper cooking methods which allows me to enjoy a little of all.

Do as you do. As for the science, if what you say is true then their should be no muslim with the flu, HIV, etc. I can't post the link to combat the science mis-information. I"ll be back shortly to post , why in the bible they didn't eat from the pig and why that no longer in effect.

Make no mistake, My brother. I am not combating you and what you choose to eat or don't eat. But I will combat the information you posted. **smile**

To cook flesh of any animals for a period of time under a certain degree of tempature. It kills bacteria and virus can't survive. The blood must go back to the ground and that's why we should handle our meats carefully even when we hunt and raise them.

So I guess common sense is not so common after alll. But again, Don't take my word for anything, and challange all that you hear. BRB I like proof for my stance and still you may choose never to touch pork. **wink**

blkbutterfly41,

Welcome to Destee.com! Sister, it takes courage to make the case for pork, but I must agree with it being cooked properly. Moreover, all else that you state is on point and correct as well...Peace In blkbutterfly41, for real!




Thank you my brother, For the warm welcome !!

This is real talk . Everybody, should challenge what they hear. It's a great habit. And I welcome it.

I love all my brothers and sisters. And deeply respect all faiths and religions. With that being said, It's not about convincing anybody to eat pork or not. I look for the gems in all folks and value our differences.

But But errrrrrrrrrrr I hate mis-information. **smile**

These days NONE IS THAT HEALTHY !!! If they had enough veggies I liked, I think I would never touch meat again. lol

Truth be told, moderation IN ALL THINGS, proper cooking, and regular exercise will pro-long life !!!

Besides my brother, I ain't scared !!!!................


Now'.................... Come mere...................

A little closer...............

tell me how to post links, and I won't bother you with my mic..................lol

:em2300:

Thank you my brother, For the warm welcome !!

This is real talk . Everybody, should challenge what they hear. It's a great habit. And I welcome it.

I love all my brothers and sisters. And deeply respect all faiths and religions. With that being said, It's not about convincing anybody to eat pork or not. I look for the gems in all folks and value our differences.

But But errrrrrrrrrrr I hate mis-information. **smile**

These days NONE IS THAT HEALTHY !!! If they had enough veggies I liked, I think I would never touch meat again. lol

Truth be told, moderation IN ALL THINGS, proper cooking, and regular exercise will pro-long life !!!

Besides my brother, I ain't scared !!!!................


Now'.................... Come mere...................

A little closer...............

tell me how to post links, and I won't bother you with my mic..................lol

:em2300:






That's real blkbutterfly41, for real! Links are easy, just copy and paste from the source to the reply to thread page. If more is needed, just say it Sister.

In ancient times they had their reasons. ( For most it has more to do with which animal they worshiped and the common folks did eat pig because it was the cheapest. Not much different then, now ) And for the most part it was logical, and economical.

The main reason is because pork is bad for health,period.The common folks did not eat pork,only the outlaws of the society.

However, at this stage of the game, the chicken, cow, pig and even seafood, hold it's own "man made" dangers. I CHOOSE to use moderation and proper cooking methods which allows me to enjoy a little of all.

Do as you do. As for the science, if what you say is true then their should be no muslim with the flu, HIV, etc. I can't post the link to combat the science mis-information. I"ll be back shortly to post , why in the bible they didn't eat from the pig and why that no longer in effect.

I agree!Meat is just not for human being,period.I still eat flesh(chicken,lamb and mostly fish) when i don't have the choice,but it very rare,my main goal is to stop eating animal flesh, and i will made it.
I never said that muslim don't have flu and other disease,i just say that pork disease are "divine signs" of the dangerosity of this beast.But we have to recognize that muslim,jewish and hindus are more healthier than us,this is fact.

I understand where you coming from,we all have been raised in the pig civilisation,we got a love affair with pork.I stopped the pork 2 years ago,and im fine as ever,no diseases since then.Again im not religious,i try to act like a scientist with everything i do:i experiment things.For example,i experimented Elijah Muhammad's eating once a day,i thought it was impossible,but it is possible,this is my diet for almost 2 years now,a meal once a day.

THE TRUTH ABOUT PORK

If you pour Coke (yes, the soda) on a slab of pork, wait a little while, you will SEE WORMS crawl out of it.

A message from the Health Corporation of Singapore about the Bad effects of pork consumption. Pig's bodies contain MANY TOXINS, WORMS and LATENT DISEASES.

Although some of these infestations are harboured in other animals, modern veterinarians say that pigs are far MORE PREDISPOSED to these illnesses than other animals. This could be because PIGS like to SCAVENGE and will eat ANY kind of food, INCLUDING dead insects, worms, rotting carcasses, excreta including their own, garbage, and other pigs. INFLUENZA (flu) is one of the MOST famous illnesses which pigs share with humans. This illness is haboured in the LUNGS of pigs during the summer months and tends to affect pigs and human in the cooler months.

Sausage contains bits of pigs' lungs, so those who EAT pork sausage tend to SUFFER MORE during EPIDEMICS of INFLUENZA. Pig meat contains EXCESSIVE quantities of HISTAMINE and IMIDAZOLE compounds, which can lead to ITCHING and INFLAMMATION; GROWTH HORMONE which PROMOTES INFLAMMATION and growth; sulphur containing mesenchymal mucus which leads to SWELLING and deposits of MUCUS in tendons and cartilage, resulting in ATHRITIS, RHEUMATISM, etc.

Sulphur helps cause FIRM human tendons and ligaments to be replaced by the pig's soft mesenchymal tissues, and degeneration of human cartilage.

Eating pork can also lead to GALLSTONES and OBESITY, probably due to its HIGH CHOLESTEROL and SATURATED FAT content. The pig is the MAIN CARRIER of the TAENIE SOLIUM WORM, which is found in its flesh. These tapeworms are found in human intestines with greater frequency in nations where pigs are eaten. This type of tapeworm can pass through the intestines and affect many other organs, and is incurable once it reaches beyond a certain stage. One in six people in the US and Canada has TRICHINOSIS from eating trichina worms, which are found in pork.

Many people have NO SYMPTOMS to warm them of this, and when they do, they resemble symptoms of many other illnesses. These worms are NOT noticed during meat inspections.

Bro Seneb

Eat what you feel is best. That one size fits all shoe, Gives an false illusion.

But lets combat some of the information relayed as facts. I think the links should come out.

Old testiment- KJV Bible Verse List : Uncleanliness of Pigs and Pork
New testiment- Should Christians Eat Pork? - Associated Content - associatedcontent.com

If you check out the links. It kills the bibilical arguement.

Now, lets look at the man made dangers of eating beef , chicken, seafood.

10 Reasons To Stop Eating Beef With an video that tells you how they process beef ( cows ). www.naturalnews.com/022665_sodium_nitrite_processed_meats_beef.html

Now, lets check out poultry/ chicken

Eating chicken is proving to be an especially hazardous enterprise.Eating chicken is proving to be an especially hazardous enterprise... For starters, approximately 30 percent of chicken is tainted with Salmonella.........

Lets check out seafood............................... What You Need to Know About Mercury in Fish and ShellfishSep 17, 2009 ... United States Food and Drug Administration advisory. Contains links to additional information including a table showing mercury levels in ...
www.fda.gov/Food/FoodSafety/Product.../ucm115662.htm -

So you see, It's mis-leading to suggest that pork and pork alone is harzardous to your health. That's why I said, Moderation in all things prolong longer life.

I am by no means suggesting that you eat pork. Your diet is suitable to YOU. Most have a regiment of diet and exercise that allows us to have healthy mind, body and spirit.


But please know unless you grow/raise your own................. You are not quite sure WHAT YOUR EATING !!!

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

I'm done hun. I'm not being argumentive and the information I posted is worth whatever you say. But knowledge is power, and allows us freedom of choice. When we know more then what we are simply told and taught. **smile**

You have a wonderful day. ( If the links don't come out, just google what's underlined ) Peace

That's real blkbutterfly41, for real! Links are easy, just copy and paste from the source to the reply to thread page. If more is needed, just say it Sister.




I think I did it , properly. Thanks again my brother.

~~~ BBF likes pork on her fork. And likes to dine with the swine ~~~

Wanna pork chop my brother !!! lmao

Ok,ok, Seriously, when you cook pork, Put vinager in the pot. It cut's the salt. And that why we suffer from high blood pressure which is accredited to pork.

Not to mention. That 75 years ago, Because it was cheap and coming out of slavery. We lived on average of 70 years old. ( omitting racial killing , lynches and other racial society dangers ) It wasn't because of eating too much pork. Our people knew that prok was naturally high in sodium and had ways of cooking it !! And its the salt which is dangerous for our people. The old leads the young, always.

Moderation, I eat pork twice a month. No more.

I think I did it , properly. Thanks again my brother.

~~~ BBF likes pork on her fork. And likes to dine with the swine ~~~

Wanna pork chop my brother !!! lmao

Ok,ok, Seriously, when you cook pork, Put vinager in the pot. It cut's the salt. And that why we suffer from high blood pressure which is accredited to pork.

Not to mention. That 75 years ago, Because it was cheap and coming out of slavery. We lived on average of 70 years old. ( omitting racial killing , lynches and other racial society dangers ) It wasn't because of eating too much pork. Our people knew that prok was naturally high in sodium and had ways of cooking it !! And its the salt which is dangerous for our people. The old leads the young, always.

Moderation, I eat pork twice a month. No more.






blkbutterfly41,

I hear you Sister, loud and clear; your points are hard to circumvent and make they make sense...the bottome line is: to each his own. And yes you did properly place the links blkbutterfly, glad I could be of help, for real!...Peace In

blkbutterfly41,

I hear you Sister, loud and clear; your points are hard to circumvent and make they make sense...the bottome line is: to each his own. And yes you did properly place the links blkbutterfly, glad I could be of help, for real!...Peace In



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If not, I'mma look for ya !!! ( J/k) :em2300:

Thanks. Curiosity lead me to research inserts from your book. I had to order it. I'm sure it's worth every penny.














If not, I'mma look for ya !!! ( J/k) :em2300:









Wow, thanks a million beautifulblkbutterfly41, for real...And you know where to find me, right?:), lol...A real Destee.com junky/addict, cause, it takes one to know one:).

But seriously, for any questions or further insight, feel free to get in touch.

That's what it's all about !! **wink** Beautiful people doing beautiful things. I beleive in YA !!

hahahahahahaha,eating pork ain't gonna kill you anymore than smoking will,listen up black people,you will die when it's your time to go just like anyone else whose time is up,all eating pork will do is put you in bad health if it disagrees with your system just like anything else..newsflash-too much excersise will make you sick too,stop panicking and pass them pork chops.

http://http://imgtn4.ask.com/ts?t=5852854494974538876&pid=23136&ppid=6hahahahahahaha,eating pork ain't gonna kill you anymore than smoking will,listen up black people,you will die when it's your time to go just like anyone else whose time is up,all eating pork will do is put you in bad health if it disagrees with your system just like anything else..newsflash-too much excersise will make you sick too,stop panicking and pass them pork chops.

Like I said, Keyword: Moderation !!!

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Like I said, Keyword: Moderation !!!

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Peace,

I do moderation. I avoid pork like I avoid E. Coli. One will kill you quick and other will kill you slow. Since people want to eat slavemaster's food so much, why not check out what slavemaster is giving his family to eat? The learned among them ain't eating no pork. People front like they really on some "hate the whiteman" stuff but really should qualify it and say "I hate the whiteman but I love the food he taught us to eat."

Peace
Precise

No disrespect, but you prove nothing.The subject is "pork" so i don't understand why you bring this beef and chicken stuff,especially when i say that i rarely eat meat .You can fool everybody but you can fool yourself,you know deep down that pork is bad.
The first link you provided j is not in you favor as it give you example of why you should not eat pork,i can give you one another,Isaie 66:

See, the LORD is coming with fire,
and his chariots are like a whirlwind;
he will bring down his anger with fury,
and his rebuke with flames of fire.

16 For with fire and with his sword
the LORD will execute judgment upon all men,
and many will be those slain by the LORD.

17 "Those who consecrate and purify themselves to go into the gardens, following the one in the midst of [a] those who eat the flesh of pigs and rats and other abominable things—they will meet their end together," declares the LORD.


lol @t your second link...Christians are the funniest people in the world...Their main argument is to say that the dietary laws were only meant for sacrifice:first the prophecy of Isaie destroy this argument as he saw the Lord killing people who eat abominable things;secondly,Does Jesus eat pork?He said in Matthew:


17"Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. 19Anyone who breaks one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven.

We know what the laws of the prophets say about eating pork...

These days NONE IS THAT HEALTHY !!! If they had enough veggies I liked, I think I would never touch meat again. lol

You know what,the air is polluted as the water,the trees,grass,lake,rivers etc....This is just an excuse sista,no matter how veggies are poluted it's still better to eat vegeatable than pork shop with french fries,KFC,Mac Donald etc...

I respect you elders,but you just can't say that pork and other meat are good to us,just confess that you have a love affair with pork,i understand this well,but don't come here to say "pass them pork chops",you have zero argument in this debat.So as the thread starter i give me the right to not answer,until i got serious arguments,no emotion in this place, bring facts please.

Peace to you guys!

No disrespect, but you prove nothing.The subject is "pork" so i don't understand why you bring this beef and chicken stuff,especially when i say that i rarely eat meat .You can fool everybody but you can fool yourself,you know deep down that pork is bad.
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[SIZE="3"] No disrespect to you my brother. But the subject is pork, and WHAT I AM SAYING IS ALL MEAT HOLDS IT'S OWN MAN MADE" DANGERS. THUS I PROVED THAT WITH THE LINKS PROVIDED.


The first link you provided j is not in you favor as it give you example of why you should not eat pork,i can give you one another,Isaie 66:





lol @t your second link...Christians are the funniest people in the world...Their main argument is to say that the dietary laws were only meant for sacrifice:first the prophecy of Isaie destroy this argument as he saw the Lord killing people who eat abominable things;secondly,Does Jesus eat pork?He said in Matthew:

All due respect, Again, my brother. But you have to read the links and the scriptures provided, and You assume too much. Who said, I was an christain ?? That was the book that somebody else referenced, so that is why I posted it. If you don't beleive in the bible or Jesus for that matter , fair enough. But just say that. I don't attack nobodies religion or faith. As they all originated from one. **wink**


We know what the laws of the prophets say about eating pork...



You know what,the air is polluted as the water,the trees,grass,lake,rivers etc....This is just an excuse sista,no matter how veggies are poluted it's still better to eat vegeatable than pork shop with french fries,KFC,Mac Donald etc...

I respect you elders,but you just can't say that pork and other meat are good to us,just confess that you have a love affair with pork,i understand this well,but don't come here to say "pass them pork chops",you have zero argument in this debat.So as the thread starter i give me the right to not answer,until i got serious arguments,no emotion in this place, bring facts please.

Peace to you guys![/QUOTE]
Again, My YOUNG brother. Its an discussion, and the facts was presented. You are certainly entitled to believe as you do. But you shouldn't present mis-information. I won't call you an liar because I don't know your intent verses YOUR EMOTIONS and loyalty to your religion. You was wrong with the information that you posted and here's the proof;

ANCIENT EGYPT : Amun and the One, Great & Hidden The Badarians (cf. Badari, Upper Egypt, about 4000 BCE) were a farming and herding community. These settlers raised cattle, sheep/goats and pigs. They cultivated barley and wheat and agriculture was supplemented by fishing and fowling. Pottery, glass, copper and glazed staetite were found at some sites. They provided their dead with food and placed female figurines in the graves. Funerary orientation was not yet fixed.


What do you think they was raising the pigs for ?? Read the entire page, hun.

And I can say : "Pass pork chops " because it's called freedom of speech. And freedom to choose what I EAT !!! lol And also freedom to combat any false information, I choose.


When you grow up to be a elder man, You will learn how to combat any useful argument or debate or respectful discussion with raw information and provable facts. And not sideways insults. People only use that method when they can not combat the information provided.

To all my Islamic brothers, deepest respect , always, If they choose not to eat pork. For my Hindu Brothers, deepest respect, if they choose not to eat beef, But the fact remains that these days all meat, Chicken, pork, beef, and seafood, holds it own danger.

Fact: is undisputable
Not to be confused with high probability and possibility.

And in closing. There is but one God. It would be wise not to bad mouth Christians, Hindu, Catholic, etc and all the other sects of organized religion. It's a tactic used and causes division. It does not benefit us. And the 10 basic principles of spirituality and life is actually the same with all mono faiths.

That " My god is bigger then Your God" Really doesn't work, And emotions is too much a part of my being, it's always express through my words. But make no mistake, I really just like to laugh. lol



In short: Combat the information and not me. You might "hear & comprehend " OR Even GIVE BACK something useful. lol, You can be loyal to your faith, and even choose not to eat pork. But their is not excuse for, TRYING to degrading, and TRYING to belittle other peoples choices or religion for that matter. You have a good night , Young brother. **smile**

Peace

Peace,

I do moderation. I avoid pork like I avoid E. Coli. One will kill you quick and other will kill you slow. Since people want to eat slavemaster's food so much, why not check out what slavemaster is giving his family to eat? The learned among them ain't eating no pork. People front like they really on some "hate the whiteman" stuff but really should qualify it and say "I hate the whiteman but I love the food he taught us to eat."

Peace
Precise



Please come back with facts for your stance instead of silly innuendos , childish remarks and emotions .

lol I hate nobody white or black. I hate ignorance and unfortunately that comes in all colors and shades. **wink** Eat what you want . lmao And hope you get to my age.

[COLOR="Purple"][I]Bro Seneb

Eat what you feel is best. That one size fits all shoe, Gives an false illusion.

But lets combat some of the information relayed as facts. I think the links should come out.

Old testiment- KJV Bible Verse List : Uncleanliness of Pigs and Pork
New testiment- Should Christians Eat Pork? - Associated Content - associatedcontent.com

If you check out the links. It kills the bibilical arguement.

WRONG!!! There is no justification for eating pork period and the bible does not condone such filthy activities. Scriptures are being used as a way to justify eating the filthy beast but there is no justification.

People have taken Acts 11:4-10 to justify their desires to eat that beast but the bible does not justify such activities. I think people need to read this whole chapter before misusing scriptures ...

Medically it is unsafe to eat pork. There is no legit doctor whether ND, MD, that will tell you otherwise.

Peace


Ru2religious

Where are all the devout Christians on this topic? Does not your Bible prohibit the eating of swine?

WRONG!!! There is no justification for eating pork period and the bible does not condone such filthy activities. Scriptures are being used as a way to justify eating the filthy beast but there is no justification.

People have taken Acts 11:4-10 to justify their desires to eat that beast but the bible does not justify such activities. I think people need to read this whole chapter before misusing scriptures ...

Medically it is unsafe to eat pork. There is no legit doctor whether ND, MD, that will tell you otherwise.

Peace
Ru2religious

Where are all the devout Christians on this topic? Does not your Bible prohibit the eating of swine?




What is troubling for those that interpret the Bible, without faith or common sense being applied, to their understanding of scripture; more often than not, results in mis-understanding the intent of the message.

The Bible is clear on the prohibition of eating pork on the one hand, and then allows such eating on the other hand. For example, Jesus/Yashua said this in paraphrase, it is not what one puts into the mouth or eats that defiles a man, but what comes out of the mouth, which defiles him.

Now, to the so-called Christian, there is nothing ambiguous about that statement, however, there will be many that will oppose it and will do so without applying faith in the Bible, which is the Word of God. Not only will they oppose it, but will insist that their interpretation is correct over the Christian’s interpretation…because so-called Christians are not supposed to be able to interpret scripture, only them.

Peace In Family, for real!

WRONG!!! There is no justification for eating pork period and the bible does not condone such filthy activities. Scriptures are being used as a way to justify eating the filthy beast but there is no justification.

People have taken Acts 11:4-10 to justify their desires to eat that beast but the bible does not justify such activities. I think people need to read this whole chapter before misusing scriptures ...

Medically it is unsafe to eat pork. There is no legit doctor whether ND, MD, that will tell you otherwise.

Peace


Ru2religious

TO ALL, specifically: for the stance of Pork will kill ya:

Wow, looks like to me, by summoning Christians. That you guys are just looking for an argument.

That is not my thing. lol

If I can't gain by way of new information and unknown knowledge , it takes the fun out of the discussion.

I'm not telling anybody what to eat or what not to eat. But your argument has too many holes in it. And no facts to back up your stance. Biblically or scientifically.

A fact is undisputable. I saw none.

Hun, where is the proof for your stance other then "you say " ?? Where is your proof that medically they said that pork and pork alone holds health hazardous that other meats do not ?? I'm @@ing !!

Listen, Really listen........................Instead of ignoring what you refuse to hear. All meat has it's own hazards. Now, if you think that chicken/poultry, seafood and beef, does not hold the same life threatening dangers as pork, presently. Post whatever information you have to combat that.

I welcome it.

The rest is useless. And my brothers, please stop disrespecting Christians for their beliefs. It's immature, and that's an tactic used to keep us divided. They are not disrespecting you for YOURS. Regardless what religion YOU CLAIM to be, Your behavior screams volumes , of what you're clearly not. **smile**

lol You guys, Please, grow up. Have a wonderful day.

TO ALL, specifically: for the stance of Pork will kill ya:

Wow, looks like to me, by summoning Christians. That you guys are just looking for an argument.

That is not my thing. lol

If I can't gain by way of new information and unknown knowledge , it takes the fun out of the discussion.

I'm not telling anybody what to eat or what not to eat. But your argument has too many holes in it. And no facts to back up your stance. Biblically or scientifically.

A fact is undisputable. I saw none.

Hun, where is the proof for your stance other then "you say " ?? Where is your proof that medically they said that pork and pork alone holds health hazardous that other meats do not ?? I'm @@ing !!

Listen, Really listen........................Instead of ignoring what you refuse to hear. All meat has it's own hazards. Now, if you think that chicken/poultry, seafood and beef, does not hold the same life threatening dangers as pork, presently. Post whatever information you have to combat that.

I welcome it.

The rest is useless. And my brothers, please stop disrespecting Christians for their beliefs. It's immature, and that's an tactic used to keep us divided. They are not disrespecting you for YOURS. Regardless what religion YOU CLAIM to be, Your behavior screams volumes , of what you're clearly not. **smile**

lol You guys, Please, grow up. Have a wonderful day.






blkbutterfly41,
:bowdown::bowdown::bowdown:

Well said blkbutterfly41, well said indeed!

Brother Clyde , They hear what they want to hear, unfortunately. What they refuse to address tells just as much. IMHO, anytime they pick through a post, touch on certain points made instead of, ALL the points made. That usually means that they simply want to argue.

Unfortunately , Some of our people feel more important if they beleive they are being heard. As they refuse to hear others they really can't gain much even in dissagreement.

Respect is our foundation for success in unity and Respect allows us to gain from unknown knowledge. Saddly, They lack that.

Regardless of what faith or religion ones in. How we treat each other upon dissagreement, tells who you are actually representing. **wink**

Thank you for blessing me with your presence in dialogue. I say that not because we agree but I've also notice how YOU DISSAGREED with them.

Keep representing our mature, loving elders !! Men of stature, I like to highlight !! Shine brother , shine !! lol

Peace

What is troubling for those that interpret the Bible, without faith or common sense being applied, to their understanding of scripture; more often than not, results in mis-understanding the intent of the message.

The Bible is clear on the prohibition of eating pork on the one hand, and then allows such eating on the other hand. For example, Jesus/Yashua said this in paraphrase, it is not what one puts into the mouth or eats that defiles a man, but what comes out of the mouth, which defiles him.

Now, to the so-called Christian, there is nothing ambiguous about that statement, however, there will be many that will oppose it and will do so without applying faith in the Bible, which is the Word of God. Not only will they oppose it, but will insist that their interpretation is correct over the Christian’s interpretation…because so-called Christians are not supposed to be able to interpret scripture, only them.

Peace In Family, for real!



Amen, Brother Clyde!


If it were otherwise, then when Jesus died and was resurrected, he only "cleansed" Man but left all those so-called nasty, "unclean" animals around, I guess.


Romans 14:

[14] I know, and am persuaded by the Lord Jesus, that there is nothing unclean of itself: but to him that esteemeth any thing to be unclean, to him it is unclean.
[15] But if thy brother be grieved with thy meat, now walkest thou not charitably. Destroy not him with thy meat, for whom Christ died.
[16] Let not then your good be evil spoken of:
[17] For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost.
[18] For he that in these things serveth Christ is acceptable to God, and approved of men.
[19] Let us therefore follow after the things which make for peace, and things wherewith one may edify another.
[20] For meat destroy not the work of God. All things indeed are pure; but it is evil for that man who eateth with offence.
[21] It is good neither to eat flesh, nor to drink wine, nor any thing whereby thy brother stumbleth, or is offended, or is made weak.
[22] Hast thou faith? have it to thyself before God. Happy is he that condemneth not himself in that thing which he alloweth.
[23] And he that doubteth is damned if he eat, because he eateth not of faith: for whatsoever is not of faith is sin.

To sum up Im quoting blkbutterfly41:

When you grow up to be a elder man, You will learn how to combat any useful argument or debate or respectful discussion with raw information and provable facts. And not sideways insults. People only use that method when they can not combat the information provided.

To all my Islamic brothers, deepest respect , always, If they choose not to eat pork. For my Hindu Brothers, deepest respect, if they choose not to eat beef, But the fact remains that these days all meat, Chicken, pork, beef, and seafood, holds it own danger.

Fact: is undisputable
Not to be confused with high probability and possibility.

And in closing. There is but one God. It would be wise not to bad mouth Christians, Hindu, Catholic, etc and all the other sects of organized religion. It's a tactic used and causes division. It does not benefit us. And the 10 basic principles of spirituality and life is actually the same with all mono faiths.

That " My god is bigger then Your God" Really doesn't work, And emotions is too much a part of my being, it's always express through my words. But make no mistake, I really just like to laugh. lol



In short: Combat the information and not me. You might "hear & comprehend " OR Even GIVE BACK something useful. lol, You can be loyal to your faith, and even choose not to eat pork. But their is not excuse for, TRYING to degrading, and TRYING to belittle other peoples choices or religion for that matter. You have a good night , Young brother. **smile**

Peace

The rest is useless. And my brothers, please stop disrespecting Christians for their beliefs. It's immature, and that's an tactic used to keep us divided. They are not disrespecting you for YOURS. Regardless what religion YOU CLAIM to be, Your behavior screams volumes , of what you're clearly not. **smile**

lol You guys, Please, grow up. Have a wonderful day.





^^^to show that she put nothing but emotions,no facts and she even put false claims on me and other.I bring nothing but facts since the first post,(of course,i don't say these facts are the ultimate truths,but i expected more solid agrmumemts and as everybody can see she bring no real proof,just some stuffs on other meat.Well thank you for these links,you just fuel my arguments,since the very beggining of this thread i say that i rarely eat meat and that like THEM say we should avoid meat.The religious arguments have been debunked too,as Isaie 66:15 and Matthew chap 5 destroy the arguments of your link(the christian one,i was talking about them,not you,and i never disrespect my christian brothers and sisters,lying woman).

You exposed yourself as dishonest person.Thank you for proving to me that being older does not mean being wise.

Now,concerning your "proof" on Kemet (by the way learn how to put links please,because your links does not work),Herodotus who lived in Egypt saw:

The pig is accounted by the Egyptians an abominable animal; and first, if any of them in passing by touch a pig, he goes into the river and dips himself forthwith in the water together with his garments

Herodotus, Histories II


But it does not really matter if they eat it or not to me,pork was and is still a living poison.

PS:Concerning your freedom of speech,i just say that i will not respond to emotion,but i will not accept that you put false claim on me.I did not disrespect you and i even say that i understand you,i gave to you and Clyde peace,but you diss me,what a good example from an elder.I won't give you energy to your emotions no more,keep you false peace to yourself,hypocrit.

TO ALL, specifically: for the stance of Pork will kill ya:

Wow, looks like to me, by summoning Christians. That you guys are just looking for an argument.

That is not my thing. lol

If I can't gain by way of new information and unknown knowledge , it takes the fun out of the discussion.

I'm not telling anybody what to eat or what not to eat. But your argument has too many holes in it. And no facts to back up your stance. Biblically or scientifically.

A fact is undisputable. I saw none.

Hun, where is the proof for your stance other then "you say " ?? Where is your proof that medically they said that pork and pork alone holds health hazardous that other meats do not ?? I'm @@ing !!

Listen, Really listen........................Instead of ignoring what you refuse to hear. All meat has it's own hazards. Now, if you think that chicken/poultry, seafood and beef, does not hold the same life threatening dangers as pork, presently. Post whatever information you have to combat that.

I welcome it.

The rest is useless. And my brothers, please stop disrespecting Christians for their beliefs. It's immature, and that's an tactic used to keep us divided. They are not disrespecting you for YOURS. Regardless what religion YOU CLAIM to be, Your behavior screams volumes , of what you're clearly not. **smile**

lol You guys, Please, grow up. Have a wonderful day.



hummm - first I don't condone the eating of any meat if that is where you choose to go but that's not what I'm talking about so leave other meat out of this discussion.

Secondly, to my brotha Clyde Coger - I was once a Christian preacher, and teacher and even then I knew not to touch pork because if the scriptures teach that god is the same today, yesterday and forever more then his laws doesn't change - only those who choose to make them changes does it change for.

Interpreting the bible is as it is - anyone can do it whether your Christian or not - that is a Christian bias to assume that they have more accuracy because they fall under some religious doctrine. Point 2, in the Christian faith alone there are thousands of doctrines and interpretations about the scriptures so for any Christian to assume that they have the absolute would be a punch against another Christian who assumes the bible was written for them. What makes Clyde Coger (example) doctrine more accurate and more right over Cherryblossom? None!!! The same goes bidirectionally.

Back to the scriptures Matthew 15:11 which is the scripture Clyde Coger used is not speaking about food. It was addressing the Pharisees issue with eating with unwashed hands. This Jesus made clear in verse 20 when Peter asked him to explain the prophesy:

Matthew 15:20 These are the things which defile a man: but to eat with unwashen hands defileth not a man.

They once believe that if your hands were dirty then that pollutes the food and thus making the food dirty aka unholy. Its not a matter about ones doctrines when discussing the bible - its about the understanding its literal meaning. Peter didn't understand so Ya`shua/Jesus cleared it up for him and everyone else who proclaims to be bible scholars.

Jesus proved his opinion of pork when he allowed the demons that possessed that man to jump into the swine and drown themselves in the river. Never once in the scriptures does it suggest that Jesus eat pork; period. That's not a none Christian interpretation that's biblical. If someone can show me where Jesus is smothering pork in gravy then I will be happy to take back what I wrote.

Demons: Jesus thought so little of that form of potential food that he run the ungodly into the swine. That was potential food to fill the hungry - but he had the demons drowned by means of the swine.

Jesus does not go against this Torah based law(s) (eating swine) and those who believe otherwise should provide resources which suggest that he does. If that can't be provided then rhetoric is ones only mission. Sounding intelligent doesn't make one intelligent on the scriptures ... proof does.

NOTE TO THOSE WHO DON'T KNOW MY WRITING STYLE - I MEAN NO HARM!!!

Clyde Coger knows my writing style so I assume he doesn't take offense to it, but if so I do not mean any bad intentions Clyde Coger.
............

Medically, it has been proven time and time again that pork is bad for your health. This is a must watch video:

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I tell you what I will let a Christian preacher talk about it:

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Pork - is one of the biggest sellers on the food market here in United States - Project Population Control - December 31, 2009 - be aware.

Peace


Ru2religious

Amen, Brother Clyde!


If it were otherwise, then when Jesus died and was resurrected, he only "cleansed" Man but left all those so-called nasty, "unclean" animals around, I guess.


Romans 14:

[14] I know, and am persuaded by the Lord Jesus, that there is nothing unclean of itself: but to him that esteemeth any thing to be unclean, to him it is unclean.
[15] But if thy brother be grieved with thy meat, now walkest thou not charitably. Destroy not him with thy meat, for whom Christ died.
[16] Let not then your good be evil spoken of:
[17] For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost.
[18] For he that in these things serveth Christ is acceptable to God, and approved of men.
[19] Let us therefore follow after the things which make for peace, and things wherewith one may edify another.
[20] For meat destroy not the work of God. All things indeed are pure; but it is evil for that man who eateth with offence.
[21] It is good neither to eat flesh, nor to drink wine, nor any thing whereby thy brother stumbleth, or is offended, or is made weak.
[22] Hast thou faith? have it to thyself before God. Happy is he that condemneth not himself in that thing which he alloweth.
[23] And he that doubteth is damned if he eat, because he eateth not of faith: for whatsoever is not of faith is sin.

Paul the Wicked one - whom speaks against Jesus and YHWH, spoke to the Europeans who would have murdered him if he had tried to cut of parts of their food supply. The Hebrew beat the breaks off of him for telling people to go against the laws. James and Peter Jesus disciples were there watching the beat down take place:

Acts 21:26-31
26 Then Paul took the men, and the next day purifying himself with them entered into the temple, to signify the accomplishment of the days of purification, until that an offering should be offered for every one of them.
27 And when the seven days were almost ended, the Jews which were of Asia, when they saw him in the temple, stirred up all the people, and laid hands on him,
28 Crying out, Men of Israel, help: This is the man, that teacheth all men every where against the people, and the law, and this place: and further brought Greeks also into the temple, and hath polluted this holy place.
29 (For they had seen before with him in the city Trophimus an Ephesian, whom they supposed that Paul had brought into the temple.)
30 And all the city was moved, and the people ran together: and they took Paul, and drew him out of the temple: and forthwith the doors were shut.
31 And as they went about to kill him, tidings came unto the chief captain of the band, that all Jerusalem was in an uproar.

Better wake up to Paul - Just as the Yahweh of the scriptures have a son - so does the wicked one have a son.

Jesus told the people to follow the laws and he who broke the least of the commandments would be the least in the Kingdom of Heaven.(Mat. chapter 5) Jesus came to fulfill the laws which is to say he came to show people how to walk and live by the laws. Don't be fooled if that is your religion of choice - don't be fooled. Jesus didn't eat pork - whether he was fictional or none fictional he didn't eat pork.

Peace


Ru2religious

You know some of y'all getting downright nasty. I was trying to keep things light and breezy, but since y'all not on board with that, then I suppose I'll join you... just for a minute.

The Old Testament clearly prohibits the eating, touching or being in the vincinity of swine. Leviticus 11 and Deuteronomy 14. Now y'all claim that the new dispensation allows you to forgo those rules... I think not. Jesus did not eat ribs or bacon. It absolutely makes no sense to disregard only what you find inconvenient in the OT and keep all the scripture you like.

The trich worm is an actual fact. It's not made up. Pigs are natural omnivores. Omnivores are not fit for human consumption. Think about it, what other omnivores do you eat? Current pork (or any farmed animal) are fed frankenfoods designed to mature and fatten the animals. It is not food that normally occurs in nature.

This information is hidden to no one. If you don't know, investigate. Just like I google and have also visisted slaughter houses, you can do the same. Thats fact, not emotion.

So..... If you cannot come out of your comfort zone to look objectively at
what is available for all to know, that's on you. But being incendiary on this a peaceful forum for sharing is truly counterproductive.


Peace.

Paul the Wicked one - whom speaks against Jesus and YHWH, spoke to the Europeans who would have murdered him if he had tried to cut of parts of their food supply. The Hebrew beat the breaks off of him for telling people to go against the laws. James and Peter Jesus disciples were there watching the beat down take place:

Acts 21:26-31
26 Then Paul took the men, and the next day purifying himself with them entered into the temple, to signify the accomplishment of the days of purification, until that an offering should be offered for every one of them.
27 And when the seven days were almost ended, the Jews which were of Asia, when they saw him in the temple, stirred up all the people, and laid hands on him,
28 Crying out, Men of Israel, help: This is the man, that teacheth all men every where against the people, and the law, and this place: and further brought Greeks also into the temple, and hath polluted this holy place.
29 (For they had seen before with him in the city Trophimus an Ephesian, whom they supposed that Paul had brought into the temple.)
30 And all the city was moved, and the people ran together: and they took Paul, and drew him out of the temple: and forthwith the doors were shut.
31 And as they went about to kill him, tidings came unto the chief captain of the band, that all Jerusalem was in an uproar.

Better wake up to Paul - Just as the Yahweh of the scriptures have a son - so does the wicked one have a son.

Jesus told the people to follow the laws and he who broke the least of the commandments would be the least in the Kingdom of Heaven.(Mat. chapter 5) Jesus came to fulfill the laws which is to say he came to show people how to walk and live by the laws. Don't be fulled if that is your religion of choice - don't be fooled. Jesus didn't eat pork - whether he was fictional or none fictional he didn't eat pork.

Peace


Ru2religious

I did this because if you going to use scriptural backing please do so with Ya`shua's writing and not that of Paul - I don't think most people pay any attention to what Paul be doing and how he has tricked the world billions of times over. Here is a clear example of how most people have been tricked by Paul:

Hebrews 6:1-3 Therefore ***leaving ***the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God, 2 Of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment. 3 And this will we do, if God permit.

Paul is basically telling Christians to leave the doctrine of Jesus Christ to move on to perfection as though the Jesus Christ doctrine was not perfect because he was the perfect one. Something so simple is overlooked - yet Paul is the first person most Christian run to.

Secondly, I wasn't trying to get off of topic - I was making a point that Paul is full of ....| - Please show me where Jesus said it was ok to eat pork - Paul is not Yashua.

Peace


Ru2religious

Medically it is unsafe to eat pork. There is no legit doctor whether ND, MD, that will tell you otherwise.



Medically, there is no edict to avoid all pork. The medical community espouses eating LEAN meats, whether it be beef, chicken, pork, or venison.

THE MAYO CLINIC.COM
How meat and poultry fit in your healthy diet

When you follow these methods to cut the fat, meat and poultry can be both a tasty and healthy part of your diet.

By Mayo Clinic staff

Meat and poultry are valuable — and for many people, favorite — sources of protein and other important nutrients. They also can be high in fat — adding unhealthy saturated fat and cholesterol to your diet. Higher-fat meat and poultry also tends to be tastier, and you may be tempted to follow in the footsteps of popular celebrity cooks who use higher-fat meat and poultry to in their recipes. But before you do, consider this: With a few simple tricks and tips you can have it both ways — taste and health.

Learn how to choose the healthiest selections of meat and poultry and how to prepare them using low-fat methods. With these tips, you can reduce the fat even in higher-fat marbled cuts.

Selecting meat and poultry
Look for key words. Certain words on packaging indicate cuts that are lower in fat. Lean cuts of beef include round, chuck, sirloin or tenderloin. Lean pork or lamb includes tenderloin, loin chops or leg. The leanest poultry is white meat from the breast with no skin.

Check percentages. When buying ground beef, look for packages with the highest percentage of lean meat — 90 percent or higher.

Check the ground. Ground poultry can have as much fat as ground beef has, or more, because it often includes dark meat and skin. To make the leanest choice, choose ground breast meat, or look for low-fat ground chicken or turkey.

Be selective. Choose beef that is labeled "Choice" or "Select" instead of "Prime," which usually has more fat. If you can't resist the higher-fat choices, use them as an occasional indulgence rather than a regular option.

http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/food-and-nutrition/NU00202

hummm - first I don't condone the eating of any meat if that is where you choose to go but that's not what I'm talking about so leave other meat out of this discussion.

Secondly, to my brotha Clyde Coger - I was once a Christian preacher, and teacher and even then I knew not to touch pork because if the scriptures teach that god is the same today, yesterday and forever more then his laws doesn't change - only those who choose to make them changes does it change for.

Interpreting the bible is as it is - anyone can do it whether your Christian or not - that is a Christian bias to assume that they have more accuracy because they fall under some religious doctrine. Point 2, in the Christian faith alone there are thousands of doctrines and interpretations about the scriptures so for any Christian to assume that they have the absolute would be a punch against another Christian who assumes the bible was written for them. What makes Clyde Coger (example) doctrine more accurate and more right over Cherryblossom? None!!! The same goes bidirectionally.

Back to the scriptures Matthew 15:11 which is the scripture Clyde Coger used is not speaking about food. It was addressing the Pharisees issue with eating with unwashed hands. This Jesus made clear in verse 20 when Peter asked him to explain the prophesy:

Matthew 15:20 These are the things which defile a man: but to eat with unwashen hands defileth not a man.

They once believe that if your hands were dirty then that pollutes the food and thus making the food dirty aka unholy. Its not a matter about ones doctrines when discussing the bible - its about the understanding its literal meaning. Peter didn't understand so Ya`shua/Jesus cleared it up for him and everyone else who proclaims to be bible scholars.

Jesus proved his opinion of pork when he allowed the demons that possessed that man to jump into the swine and drown themselves in the river. Never once in the scriptures does it suggest that Jesus eat pork; period. That's not a none Christian interpretation that's biblical. If someone can show me where Jesus is smothering pork in gravy then I will be happy to take back what I wrote.

Demons: Jesus thought so little of that form of potential food that he run the ungodly into the swine. That was potential food to feel the hungry - but he had the demons drowned the swine.

Jesus does not go against this Torah based law(s) (eating swine) and those who believe otherwise should provide resources which suggest that he does. If that can be provided then rhetoric is ones only mission. Sounding intelligent doesn't make one intelligent one the scriptures ... proof does.

NOTE TO THOSE WHO DON'T KNOW MY WRITING STYLE - I MEAN NO HARM!!!

Clyde Coger knows my writing style so I assume he doesn't take offense to it, but if so I do not mean any bad intentions Clyde Coger.
............

Medically, it has been proven time and time again that pork is bad for your health. This is a must watch video:

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I tell you what I will let a Christian preacher talk about it:

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Pork - is one of the biggest sellers on the food market here in United States - Project Population Control - December 31, 2009 - be aware.

Peace


Ru2religious




ru2religious,

Please respond to my post to you and Bootzey, please...let's keep the flow going per relative quotes; afterwards, I will come back here and address those points you indirectly raised...Peace In my brother friend.

To sum up Im quoting blkbutterfly41:



^^^to show that she put nothing but emotions,no facts and she even put false claims on me and other.I bring nothing but facts since the first post,(of course,i don't say these facts are the ultimate truths,but i expected more solid agrmumemts and as everybody can see she bring no real proof,just some stuffs on other meat.Well thank you for these links,you just fuel my arguments,since the very beggining of this thread i say that i rarely eat meat and that like THEM say we should avoid meat.The religious arguments have been debunked too,as Isaie 66:15 and Matthew chap 5 destroy the arguments of your link(the christian one,i was talking about them,not you,and i never disrespect my christian brothers and sisters,lying woman).

You exposed yourself as dishonest person.Thank you for proving to me that being older does not mean being wise.

Now,concerning your "proof" on Kemet (by the way learn how to put links please,because your links does not work),Herodotus who lived in Egypt saw:



But it does not really matter if they eat it or not to me,pork was and is still a living poison.

PS:Concerning your freedom of speech,i just say that i will not respond to emotion,but i will not accept that you put false claim on me.I did not disrespect you and i even say that i understand you,i gave to you and Clyde peace,but you diss me,what a good example from an elder.I won't give you energy to your emotions no more,keep you false peace to yourself,hypocrit.




Seneb,

I must agree, you did give us peace in the dialogue. Let's keep the peace my brother friend, I know these cutting edge issues get dear and personal to us, sometimes.

You know some of y'all getting downright nasty. I was trying to keep things light and breezy, but since y'all not on board with that, then I suppose I'll join you... just for a minute.

The Old Testament clearly prohibits the eating, touching or being in the vincinity of swine. Leviticus 11 and Deuteronomy 14. Now y'all claim that the new dispensation allows you to forgo those rules... I think not. Jesus did not eat ribs or bacon. It absolutely makes no sense to disregard only what you find inconvenient in the OT and keep all the scripture you like.

The trich worm is an actual fact. It's not made up. Pigs are natural omnivores. Omnivores are not fit for human consumption. Think about it, what other omnivores do you eat? Current pork (or any farmed animal) are fed frankenfoods designed to mature and fatten the animals. It is not food that normally occurs in nature.

This information is hidden to no one. If you don't know, investigate. Just like I google and have also visisted slaughter houses, you can do the same. Thats fact, not emotion.

So..... If you cannot come out of your comfort zone to look objectively at
what is available for all to know, that's on you. But being incendiary on this a peaceful forum for sharing is truly counterproductive.


Peace.




Bootzey my sister friend,

Because you didn't quote anyone specifically, I have no idea for whom this reply is actually meant, however, the New Testament handles it in this manner as well:

But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood.

Other than Paul making it clear, the above concludes the pork issue and all else, in my view.

Medically, there is no edict to avoid all pork. The medical community espouses eating LEAN meats, whether it be beef, chicken, pork, or venison.

Once again, examine the video's - pork is not ok for human consumption nor is any other meat. The digestive process at which it take the body to break down meat is far to long. This is what creates parasites in the body and cancerous cells. The toxins must leave the body in a reasonable time or it will produce inflammation of the cells. Once the cells are inflamed. Meat in general causes problems to the digestive system which breaks cells down. Nevertheless, man can still live long but not as long as some places where the normal is a veggie diet and the normal life expectancy is between 120 to 130 - a 40 to 50 year difference between meat eaters.

Learn the digestive system an this wouldn't be a topic.

Peace


Ru2religious

[SIZE="3"]What is troubling for those that interpret the Bible, without faith or common sense being applied, to their understanding of scripture; more often than not, results in mis-understanding the intent of the message.

without faith or common sense? This is troubling to me because I'm trying to figure out what it that you are implying here? Are you suggesting that without being a Christian one couldn't possible understand the dynamics of the scriptures thus giving you the position of being right by default? The intended biblical message is as it speaks and without the word pork in front of or behind such scriptures that are being taken out of content then one cannot rationalize or claim to be the authors of common sense.

The Bible is clear on the prohibition of eating pork on the one hand, and then allows such eating on the other hand.

and ...

For example, Jesus/Yashua said this in paraphrase, it is not what one puts into the mouth or eats that defiles a man, but what comes out of the mouth, which defiles him.

This is again what many call a contradiction because as you said, the bible is clear about not eating pork but on the other hand ... ? What other hand? Where does the bible show that eating of pork is good? When and where did Jesus say that it was good to eat pork? Nowhere will that be found in the scriptures period so then there is only one hand and not another. Paulian aka Christian(s) are not followers of the Hebrew Jesus because Jesus wasn't a Christian, this is something Paul Created as he himself tells you that he's father of the religion. If you follow Paul and are a Paulian then you are expected to eat anything unclean because he gives permission to do as such but Jesus never did. He spoke of unclean hands - which covers the paraphrase about "it is not what one puts into the mouth or eats that defiles a man ... " it wasn't about what he ate it was about unclean hands brotha Clyde Coger.

Now, to the so-called Christian, there is nothing ambiguous about that statement, however, there will be many that will oppose it and will do so without applying faith in the Bible, which is the Word of God. Not only will they oppose it, but will insist that their interpretation is correct over the Christian’s interpretation…because so-called Christians are not supposed to be able to interpret scripture, only them.

Peace In Family, for real!


You are totally right in saying, "Now, to the so-called Christian there is nothing ambiguous about that statement..." because in that religion it seems that Paul wants people to hurt themselves and do all manners of evils and then say a simple pray and be forgiven for it. Something as simple as eating healthy becomes an issue though its biblical. Its funny how some can admit that the father of Jesus tells them not to eat swine, but then say his son said its ok which he didn't. People such as myself don't have a hard time seeing or understanding what the scriptures say, people like me have a hard time understanding why those who believe in the bible don't follow what it says and then preach there own self-righteous message such as "without faith or common sense" though their bible condemns the very act they try to justify.

PEACE Be unto you Clyde Coger.

I'm done with the topic because there really shouldn't be a debate about this biblically especially when you say, "The Bible is clear on the prohibition of eating pork ...". To say on the other hand you are simply admitting that there are contradictions despite the fact that Paul says:

1 Corinthians 14:33 For God is not the author of confusion, ...

Medically, pork lard-fat (Parasite container - clogs up the arteries, causes disease), salt (drys up the veins causing blindness and other issues), and the most important factor: Pig skin and tissue is almost identical to human skin and tissue in all aspects. If you like pig skin then one shouldn't have a problem eating human skin. Yes that sounds disgusting I know but lets tell it like it is ...

Peace

Ru2religious

without faith or common sense? This is troubling to me because I'm trying to figure out what it is that you are implying here? Are you suggesting that without being a Christian one couldn't possible understand the dynamics of the scriptures thus giving you the position of being right by default? The intended biblical message is as it speaks and without the word pork in front of or behind such scriptures that are being taken out of content then one cannot rationalize or claim to be the authors of common sense.



and ...



This is again what many call a contradiction because as you said, the bible is clear about not eating pork but on the other hand ... ? What other hand? Where does the bible show that eating of pork is good? When and where did Jesus say that it was good to eat pork? Nowhere will that be found in the scriptures period so then there is only one hand and not another. Paulian aka Christian(s) are not followers of the Hebrew Jesus because Jesus wasn't a Christian, this is something Paul Created as he himself tells you that he's father of the religion. If you follow Paul and are a Paulian then you are expected to eat anything unclean because he gives permission to do as such but Jesus never did. He spoke of unclean hands - which covers the paraphrase about "it is not what one puts into the mouth or eats that defiles a man ... " it wasn't about what he ate it was about unclean hands brotha Clyde Coger.



You are totally right in saying, "Now, to the so-called Christian there is nothing ambiguous about that statement..." because in that religion it seems that Paul wants people to hurt themselves and do all manners of evils and then say a simple pray and be forgiven for it. Something as simple as eating healthy becomes an issue though its biblical. Its funny how some can admit that the father of Jesus tells them not to eat swine, but then say his son said its ok which he didn't. People such as myself don't have a hard time seeing or understanding what the scriptures say, people like me have a hard time understanding why those who believe in the bible don't follow what it says and then preach there own self-righteous message such as "without faith or common sense" though their bible condemns the very act they try to justify.

PEACE Be unto you Clyde Coger.

I'm done with the topic because there really shouldn't be a debate about this biblically especially when you say, "The Bible is clear on the prohibition of eating pork ...". To say on the other hand you are simply admitting that there are contradictions despite the fact that Paul says:

1 Corinthians 14:33 For God is not the author of confusion, ...

Medically, pork lard-fat (Parasite container - clogs up the arteries, causes disease), salt (drys up the veins causing blindness and other issues), and the most important factor: Pig skin and tissue is almost identical to human skin and tissue in all aspects. If you like pig skin then one shouldn't have a problem eating human skin. Yes that sounds disgusting I know but lets tell it like it is ...

Peace

Ru2religious




ru2religious,

My use of faith and common sense is not used in the sense of a personal affront to you or anyone, it is to say that without faith and common sense, scripture alone can easily be mis-applied; but better understood when the person is committed to the Bible. Take the "on the other hand" phrase for instance, only faith and common sense explains away the otherwise secular understanding to be a contradiction.

It is stipulated that the Bible never says pork is good for you, a non-issue. And again you are correct, this issue should not be at debate; furthermore, however, whatsoever one eats doesn't defile the person, whether pork, chicken, fish or deer, with or without clean hands. We should concern ourselves with our words, which defile the heart. Whatsoever we eat goes into the belly and comes out in the draught.

Lastly, I must say that you are a better man than me:), for I cannot take away Paul's Apostleship.

Let's Put down All of the Flesh

hummm - first I don't condone the eating of any meat if that is where you choose to go but that's not what I'm talking about so leave other meat out of this discussion.

Secondly, to my brotha Clyde Coger - I was once a Christian preacher, and teacher and even then I knew not to touch pork because if the scriptures teach that god is the same today, yesterday and forever more then his laws doesn't change - only those who choose to make them changes does it change for.

Interpreting the bible is as it is - anyone can do it whether your Christian or not - that is a Christian bias to assume that they have more accuracy because they fall under some religious doctrine. Point 2, in the Christian faith alone there are thousands of doctrines and interpretations about the scriptures so for any Christian to assume that they have the absolute would be a punch against another Christian who assumes the bible was written for them. What makes Clyde Coger (example) doctrine more accurate and more right over Cherryblossom? None!!! The same goes bidirectionally.

Back to the scriptures Matthew 15:11 which is the scripture Clyde Coger used is not speaking about food. It was addressing the Pharisees issue with eating with unwashed hands. This Jesus made clear in verse 20 when Peter asked him to explain the prophesy:

Matthew 15:20 These are the things which defile a man: but to eat with unwashen hands defileth not a man.

They once believe that if your hands were dirty then that pollutes the food and thus making the food dirty aka unholy. Its not a matter about ones doctrines when discussing the bible - its about the understanding its literal meaning. Peter didn't understand so Ya`shua/Jesus cleared it up for him and everyone else who proclaims to be bible scholars.

Jesus proved his opinion of pork when he allowed the demons that possessed that man to jump into the swine and drown themselves in the river. Never once in the scriptures does it suggest that Jesus eat pork; period. That's not a none Christian interpretation that's biblical. If someone can show me where Jesus is smothering pork in gravy then I will be happy to take back what I wrote.

Demons: Jesus thought so little of that form of potential food that he run the ungodly into the swine. That was potential food to fill the hungry - but he had the demons drowned by means of the swine.

Jesus does not go against this Torah based law(s) (eating swine) and those who believe otherwise should provide resources which suggest that he does. If that can't be provided then rhetoric is ones only mission. Sounding intelligent doesn't make one intelligent on the scriptures ... proof does.

NOTE TO THOSE WHO DON'T KNOW MY WRITING STYLE - I MEAN NO HARM!!!

Clyde Coger knows my writing style so I assume he doesn't take offense to it, but if so I do not mean any bad intentions Clyde Coger.
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Medically, it has been proven time and time again that pork is bad for your health. This is a must watch video:

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I tell you what I will let a Christian preacher talk about it:

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Pork - is one of the biggest sellers on the food market here in United States - Project Population Control - December 31, 2009 - be aware.

Peace


Ru2religious



ru2religious,

Brother, Satan knows scripture and can preach better than anyone, lol...At this point I'm certain our dialogue is over, or at least it should be; but as promised, I'm replying to this mis-direction.

When the Apostles were figuring out how to circumcise the Gentile converts after the manner of Moses, they came up with four(4) precise requirements, so to speak and prefaced said requirements in like manner; Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were abel to bear?

Then James said, my sentence is that we trouble them not but that we write to them that they abstain from pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood.

Today, animals are no longer strangled and offered as idols before the altar, which prevents any pollution thereof. This should exhaust the discussion but for what the Apostle Paul has to say on the subject of pork. And carefully, I have not submitted any Pauline references, as I ought to be able to, as a Bible believer...Peace In my brother friend, for real!

Bro Senab : urrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr, It's called a thread for a reason. That means we can actually go back and see exactly what was said.

YOU SAID: lol @t your second link...Christians are the funniest people in the world................No disrespect, but you prove nothing.The subject is "pork" so i don't understand why you bring this beef and chicken stuff,especially when i say that i rarely eat meat .You can fool everybody but you can fool yourself,you know deep down that pork is bad.The first link you provided j is not in you favor as it give you example of why you should not eat pork,i can give you one another.

The main reason is because pork is bad for health,period.The common folks did not eat pork,only the outlaws of the society. ( BTW: Please , Don't try to take focus off my post and redirect. THAT LINK CAME OUT. AND THAT IS NOT TRUE ) **wink** Cheap trick. lol

I said:

Eat what you feel is best. That one size fits all shoe, Gives an false illusion.

But lets combat some of the information relayed as facts. I think the links should come out.

Old testiment- KJV Bible Verse List : Uncleanliness of Pigs and Pork
New testiment- Should Christians Eat Pork? - Associated Content - associatedcontent.com

If you check out the links. It kills the bibilical arguement. ( Not to memtion others posted links as well. If the links don't come out, Simply google the phrase. It's not uncommon that it may take me a little whille to learn the ropes of the site. But it does not take away from the context of my post. Just like your grammer mistakes and mis-spelling does not take away from YOURS. ) And I repeat:

Now, lets look at the man made dangers of eating beef , chicken, seafood.

10 Reasons To Stop Eating Beef With an video that tells you how they process beef ( cows ). http://www.naturalnews.com/022665_so...eats_beef.html

Now, lets check out poultry/ chicken

Eating chicken is proving to be an especially hazardous enterprise.Eating chicken is proving to be an especially hazardous enterprise... For starters, approximately 30 percent of chicken is tainted with Salmonella.........

Lets check out seafood............................... What You Need to Know About Mercury in Fish and ShellfishSep 17, 2009 ... United States Food and Drug Administration advisory. Contains links to additional information including a table showing mercury levels in ...
http://www.fda.gov/Food/FoodSafety/P.../ucm115662.htm -

So you see, It's mis-leading to suggest that pork and pork alone is harzardous to your health. That's why I said, Moderation in all things prolong longer life.

I am by no means suggesting that you eat pork. Your diet is suitable to YOU. Most have a regiment of diet and exercise that allows us to have healthy mind, body and spirit.


But please know unless you grow/raise your own................. You are not quite sure WHAT YOUR EATING !!!
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It's an open discussion. It's fair play and on topic to combat the argument and examine all meats.

If you just want people to agree with you, Great. But it might be more useful to get an parrot. Nor, I'm that type of chick. If your thread is to make people aware of different food health hazards. Cool, but be thorough. If you just want to attack the pig. Go for it !!! But be clear when you create the thread. **wink**

But errrrrrrrrrr
Check out Luke 10:8 "When you enter a town and are welcomed, eat what is set before you.

Btw: What do you have against emotions ?? lol I have emotions JUST LIKE you displayed. I think you're funny. That's an emotion isn't it ?? lol

But on the real tip. Everybody is not you. You are not everybody. Freedom of choice is due anybody, But we should get into the habit of presenting facts as facts. The more we know the better the choice we make. And if you say first . "no disrespect" yet make an remark afterwards that is disrespectful. It does not make it null and void.

I do follow Christ example. Through I wouldn't call myself an conventional Christian, as you may know them. Nobodies religion or faith should be up for debate.

But have your fun. lmao

Have a good night too.

Originally Posted by ru2religious
hummm - first I don't condone the eating of any meat if that is where you choose to go but that's not what I'm talking about so leave other meat out of this discussion.


Why are you guys personalizing the post or the thread ?? Please know that I say this with the softest tone I know.

But Who cares what you do ?? Should all people do as you do ?? Is that the objective of the thread , To get people to do as you do ?? I'm serious ..................I mean , I really want to know..............

And No, I would not leave other meats out. lmao

People should be able to choose what meats they eat or if they choose no meats.

lol

You guys , smh........................ Just be careful why you really want to dictate. And why YOU beleive that we are not smarter then that and we all must fall for the okey doky, because " YOU SAID," don't eat PORK, So hey.............. I should comply.

You can't be serious !!! lmao
This looks lke a rerun movie. Been there done that. This can go on for months. You have fun too. lol

Why are you guys personalizing the post or the thread ?? Please know that I say this with the softest tone I know.

But Who cares what you do ?? Should all people do as you do ?? Is that the objective of the thread , To get people to do as you do ?? I'm serious ..................I mean , I really want to know..............

And No, I would not leave other meats out. lmao

People should be able to choose what meats they eat or if they choose no meats.

lol

You guys , smh........................ Just be careful why you really want to dictate. And why YOU beleive that we are not smarter then that and we all must fall for the okey doky, because " YOU SAID," don't eat PORK, So hey.............. I should comply.

You can't be serious !!! lmao
This looks lke a rerun movie. Been there done that. This can go on for months. You have fun too. lol




not personalizing, just trying to keep it on topic - the topic was about Pork if I'm not mistaken so other animals becoming part of the equations poses a problem.

Peace


Ru2religious

not personalizing, just trying to keep it on topic - the topic was about Pork if I'm not mistaken so other animals becoming part of the equations poses a problem.

Peace


Ru2religious

No, it's not. It's just your way of manipulating the discussion, so it swings your way. The title is in the health portion, and says, "Yada yada, Stop eating pork." Is that an command or an title for an discussion ?? By your post, I have to assume it's an command. Which does not sit well with me, because I'm not the "obeying people" type of chick. ( Thank God !!! ) lol

But I wonder what is on YOUR agenda, That you don't welcome the POV and perspective of others ?? And please know , I'm not mad at cha. But I certainly will call it as I see it. I know you use that word "emotion " for my gender. But what's funny, is that you can't get a rise out of me. You can't make me angry, sad, mad, or any other negative emotion unless, it's "I" that give you permission. ROFLMAO !!

Respect don't mean agree. To try to manipulate grown folks discussions, screams volumes and says that your mind is not there yet. I wish some folks will simply get a parrot to validate their OWN words. lol But its cool. Be you,

Ask yourself this, When do we stop TRYING to control , manipulate and take a http://www.google.com/images?q=tbn:1CXM7X_xOotcsM::www.4strugglemag.org/archives/images/panther%252520power.jpg&h=78&w=91&usg=__fj3wP-X-L2Obqi1SY-iHgffGIw8= Stand ................

Let's Put down All of the Flesh


:toast: YES!.....With a nice Chianti or Pinot Grigio. (lol)








I'm out...

Once again, examine the video's - pork is not ok for human consumption nor is any other meat. The digestive process at which it take the body to break down meat is far to long. This is what creates parasites in the body and cancerous cells.

Co sign.I said i experiment,im not the kind of person who believe just because it sound good:Digestion take a lot of energy,that's for real.People eat too much,period.By puting food non stop in your stomach,you complicated the digestive process,wich is constant in 24/7 with most people ,because the majority never really fast.The "poisonus" substances in all foods are necessary in our bodies as the nutritives substances,because they protected us against the dangerous substances,virus etc...That's BALANCE,but when you accumulates this "poison" substances it weaken our body.The stomach need to take a rest to evacuate the substances ,it allow you to other important activities such as thinking ,because the digestive process take your whole energy.
I know it's hard to forsake meat,so eat less meat(or don't eat that anymore lol) but i would be an hypocrit if a tell you to reduce the consomation of pork:FORSAKE THAT ABOMINATION (that's an advice,we all are adult)

Regarding Jesus/Yeshua,i would say to my christian brothers and sisters that you should listen to the words of Jesus,not the words of a Johnny come lately apostle who never meet Jesus;Secondly,the Bible is compilation of books that was created by the Romans,it have 66 books,wich mean the devil(the white boy) put his dirty hands on it.You can limit Jesus ministery at the four so called canonical gospels.There are many so called un-canonical gospels that the devil don't want you to read,one of them is the Gospel of peace,where Jesus/Yeshua teach How to eat to live

"So eat always from the table of God: the fruits of the trees, the grain and grasses of the field, the milk of beasts, and the honey of bees. For everything beyond these is of Satan, and leads by the way of sins and of diseases unto death. But the foods which you eat from the abundant table of God give strength and youth to your body, and you will never see diseases For the table of God fed Methuselah of old, and I tell you truly, if you live even as he lived, then will the God of the living give you also long life upon the earth as was his.

"For I tell you truly, the God of the living is richer than all the rich of the earth, and his abundant table is richer than the richest table of feasting of all the rich upon the earth. Eat, therefore, all your life at the table of our Earthly Mother, and you will never see want. And when you eat at her table, eat all things even as they are found on the table of the Earthly Mother. Cook not, neither mix all things one with another, lest your bowels become as steaming bogs. For I tell you truly, this is abominable in the eyes of the Lord.

"And be not like the greedy servant, who always ate up, at the table of his lord, the portions of others. And he devoured everything himself, and mixed all together in his gluttony. And seeing that, his lord was wroth with him, and drove him from the table. And when all had ended their meal, he mixed together all that remained upon the table, and called the greedy servant to him, and said: 'Take and eat all this with the swine, for your place is with them, and not at my table.'

"Take heed, therefore, and defile not with all kinds of abominations the temple of your bodies. Be content with two or three sorts of food, which you will find always upon the table of our Earthly Mother. And desire not to devour all things which you see around you. For I tell you truly, if you mix together all sorts of food in your body, then the peace of your body will cease, and endless war will rage in you. And it will be blotted out even as homes and kingdoms divided against themselves work their own destruction. For your God is the God of peace, and does never help division. Arouse not, therefore, against you the wrath of God, lest he drive you from his table, and lest you be compelled to go to the table of Satan, where the fire of sins, diseases, and death will corrupt your body.

"And when you eat, never eat unto fulness. Flee the temptations of Satan, and listen to the voice of God's angels. For Satan and his power tempt you always to eat more and more. But live by the spirit, and resist the desires of the body. And your fasting is always pleasing in the eyes of the angels of God. So give heed to how much you have eaten when your body is sated, and always eat less by a third.

"Let the weight of your daily food be not less than a mina, but mark that it go not beyond two. Then will the angels of God serve you always, and you will never fall into the bondage of Satan and of his diseases. Trouble not the work of the angels in your body by eating often. For I tell you truly, he who eats more than twice in the clay does in him the work of Satan. And the angels of God leave his body, and soon Satan will take possession of it. Eat only when the sun is highest in the heavens, and again when it is set. And you will never see disease, for such finds favor in the eyes of the Lord. And if you will that the angels of God rejoice in your body, and that Satan shun you afar, then sit but once in the day at the table of God. And then your days will be long upon the earth, for this is pleasing in the eyes of the Lord. Eat always when the table of God is served before you, and eat always of that which you find upon the table of God. For I tell you truly, God knows well what your body needs, and when it needs.

Jesus did many other things as well. If every one of them were written down, I suppose that even the whole world would not have room for the books that would be written.John 21:25

"Then the sick man's body was seized with an ague, and he retched as though he would vomit, but he could not. And he gasped for air, for his breath was spent. And he fainted on the lap of Jesus.

"Now does Satan leave his body. See him." And Jesus pointed to the sick man's opened mouth.

And then they all saw with astonishment and terror that Satan was coming out from his mouth in the shape of an abominable worm, straight towards the steaming milk. Then Jesus took two sharp stones in his hands and crushed the head of Satan, and drew out from the sick man all the body of the monster which was almost as long as the man. When the abominable worm came out of the sick man's throat, he recovered at once his breath, and then all his pains ceased. And the others looked with terror at the abominable body of Satan.

"See, what an abominable beast you carried and nourished in your body for long years. I have cast it out of you and killed it that it may never again torment you. Give thanks to God that his angels have made you free, and sin no more, lest Satan return to you again. Let your body be henceforth a temple dedicated to your God."
The Essene Gosel Of Peace


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"Then the sick man's body was seized with an ague, and he retched as though he would vomit, but he could not. And he gasped for air, for his breath was spent. And he fainted on the lap of Jesus.

"Now does Satan leave his body. See him." And Jesus pointed to the sick man's opened mouth.

And then they all saw with astonishment and terror that Satan was coming out from his mouth in the shape of an abominable worm, straight towards the steaming milk. Then Jesus took two sharp stones in his hands and crushed the head of Satan, and drew out from the sick man all the body of the monster which was almost as long as the man. When the abominable worm came out of the sick man's throat, he recovered at once his breath, and then all his pains ceased. And the others looked with terror at the abominable body of Satan.

"See, what an abominable beast you carried and nourished in your body for long years. I have cast it out of you and killed it that it may never again torment you. Give thanks to God that his angels have made you free, and sin no more, lest Satan return to you again. Let your body be henceforth a temple dedicated to your God."
The Essene Gosel Of Peace


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Wow! Now this is teaching me not only to stay away from swine, but to stay away form swine lovers. Very good info. The worm is still out there infecting people. And think about this, with all the antibiotics that animals are fed, those worms are now abs resistant.

SWINE IS BAD FOR YOU!!!!!!

Co sign.I said i experiment,im not the kind of person who believe just because it sound good:Digestion take a lot of energy,that's for real.People eat too much,period.By puting food non stop in your stomach,you complicated the digestive process,wich is constant in 24/7 with most people ,because the majority never really fast.The "poisonus" substances in all foods are necessary in our bodies as the nutritives substances,because they protected us against the dangerous substances,virus etc...That's BALANCE,but when you accumulates this "poison" substances it weaken our body.The stomach need to take a rest to evacuate the substances ,it allow you to other important activities such as thinking ,because the digestive process take your whole energy.
I know it's hard to forsake meat,so eat less meat(or don't eat that anymore lol) but i would be an hypocrit if a tell you to reduce the consomation of pork:FORSAKE THAT ABOMINATION (that's an advice,we all are adult)

Regarding Jesus/Yeshua,i would say to my christian brothers and sisters that you should listen to the words of Jesus,not the words of a Johnny come lately apostle who never meet Jesus;Secondly,the Bible is compilation of books that was created by the Romans,it have 66 books,wich mean the devil(the white boy) put his dirty hands on it.You can limit Jesus ministery at the four so called canonical gospels.There are many so called un-canonical gospels that the devil don't want you to read,one of them is the Gospel of peace,where Jesus/Yeshua teach How to eat to live



Jesus did many other things as well. If every one of them were written down, I suppose that even the whole world would not have room for the books that would be written.John 21:25




My brother friend Seneb,

All these things you say are real and truth, however, you have failed to mention one Tree that is protected from us sustaining life forever on earth, and that is the Tree of Life (call it what you will-Kabbalah, etc...), which bears twelve different manner of fruit and beared her fruit each month...that is the Tree I wish to eat from, for real...Peace In

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Don't you think that's just a little bit foul? How is that picture necessary or appropriate? Why use that child's image like that? I'm just saying...

Peace,

Something to think about if it hasn't been mentioned already. Why is it that of the three Semitic religions, "Christianity" is the only one with adherents that try to make an excuse for eating Pork? What's up with that?

Of the three Semitic religions, "Christianity" was the one given to original people brought to the wilderness of North America as slaves. Relationship here???? Hmmmmmmm.........

Peace
Precise

Peace,

Something to think about if it hasn't been mentioned already. Why is it that of the three Semitic religions, "Christianity" is the only one with adherents that try to make an excuse for eating Pork? What's up with that?

Of the three Semitic religions, "Christianity" was the one given to original people brought to the wilderness of North America as slaves. Relationship here???? Hmmmmmmm.........

Peace
Precise




Hello my brother Precise Allah...Its been awhile,

No, not really to the quesions put, without the understanding of radical faith, it does appear somewhat contradictory. Faith is the one element you omitted in representing the so-called Christian from the viewpoint of Gods and Earths. Mind is still over matter, is it not? The black man is still god, is he not?

Hello my brother Precise Allah...Its been awhile,

No, not really to the quesions put, without the understanding of radical faith, it does appear somewhat contradictory. Faith is the one element you omitted in representing the so-called Christian from the viewpoint of Gods and Earths. Mind is still over matter, is it not? The black man is still god, is he not?


Peace,

So you see no relationship between the consumption of pork being acceptable, with white people using Christianity as a tool to weaken people of color?

Peace

Peace,

So you see no relationship between the consumption of pork being acceptable, with white people using Christianity as a tool to weaken people of color?

Peace



Peace In,

Never said that Precise Allah, there is a slight correlation however; but moreover, the Bible, when understood, speaks against the consumption of pork and many other unhealthy foods and attitudes.

This civil argument between us has more to do with the messenger of Christianity than the message contained in the book.

Peace In,

Never said that Precise Allah, there is a slight correlation however; but moreover, the Bible, when understood, speaks against the consumption of pork and many other unhealthy foods and attitudes.

This civil argument between us has more to do with the messenger of Christianity than the message contain in the book.


Peace,

Ahhh.... O.K. I'm on the same page with you now. My point was/is, Christianity (aside from being another religion) has been deliberately used as a tool to weaken our people.

The key element of what you just wrote is "understand." I agree with you 100%. The issue is, how many Christian churches teach understanding? I was reared as a Seventh-Day Adventist for the first 20 years of my life and I can tell you without reservation that every person of any other denomination of Christianity I've ever spoken to said that pork is all good. I've heard every reason to eat pork from the scientific (it's not bad for you) to the ridiculous (just pray over it and all the badness will be taken away). Your understanding that the Bible teaches against pork consumption is completely understood. I'm just wondering why that isn't taught to the masses of Christians, especially the black Christians?

Peace

Peace,

Ahhh.... O.K. I'm on the same page with you now. My point was/is, Christianity (aside from being another religion) has been deliberately used as a tool to weaken our people.

The key element of what you just wrote is "understand." I agree with you 100%. The issue is, how many Christian churches teach understanding? I was reared as a Seventh-Day Adventist for the first 20 years of my life and I can tell you without reservation that every person of any other denomination of Christianity I've ever spoken to said that pork is all good. I've heard every reason to eat pork from the scientific (it's not bad for you) to the ridiculous (just pray over it and all the badness will be taken away). Your understanding that the Bible teaches against pork consumption is completely understood. I'm just wondering why that isn't taught to the masses of Christians, especially the black Christians?

Peace




Peace In,

Good that we are traveling the same road. To answer why the masses of Christians are unaware is simple, Seminary schools of theology, primarily. Someone like me, that is on the battle field, is cannon fodder up against said schools. So, I'm doing what I can, I post daily, have a book on the market and verbalize my positions with family, friends, pastors and others.

On the other side of the argument, pork being good, hinges on the radical faith part of my initial position in this conversation. Innately, we are equipped to know what is good and what is bad for us, but what happens if somethng bad is ingested, what do we rely upon when this happens, even by mistake. Again, call it mind over matter, call it radical faith, wishing that no harm comes, call it whatever you wish; but do call upon something that wills protection over our wrongdoings, etc...without over playing the hand.

Great exchanges Precise Allah, thank you my comrade in arms, in the struggle for Black Unity...Peace In.

I fittin to throw up :qqb024::qqb016::qqb008::SuN048::SuN035::puke: :poop:

That poor child.. I'm gonna cry. T-T

I stopped when I heard them talk about it on Sanford and Son. XD