Are Black People Cursed? The Curse of Ham
by Tony Evans
http://www.epm.org/artman2/publish/racial_reconciliation/Are_Black_People_Cursed_The_Curse_of_Ham.shtml

"Because Ham was the father of black people, and because he and his descendants were cursed to be slaves because of his sin against Noah, some Christians said, "Africans and their descendants are destined to be servants, and should accept their status as slaves in fulfillment of biblical prophecy." (4)

Now there existed a myth of inferiority with apparent biblical roots. This theological basis provided the raw material necessary to convince the slaves that to resist their assigned inferior status was to resist the will of God. This myth became an authoritative myth because it was rooted in theology, and slave owners used this twisted theology to sustain a perverted sociology. This process is known as sacralization, the development of theological and religious beliefs to serve the interest of a particular ethnic or racial group.

.....Never mind, of course, that the Bible says that Canaan, Ham's son, was cursed, not Ham himself. Thus, only one of Ham's four sons, not all four, were cursed. How then could all black people everywhere be cursed?

Never mind that the Bible places limitations on curses-only three or four generations at most (Ex. 20:5).

Never mind that the curse on Canaan and his descendants-"Now there, you are cursed, and none of you shall be freed from being slaves"-finds its most obvious fulfillment in the ongoing defeat and subjugation of Canaan by Israel (Josh. 9:23; 1 Kings 9:20-21).

Never mind that the descendants of Ham's other sons-Cush, Mizraim, and Put-have continued to this day as national peoples in Ethiopia (Cush), Egypt (Mizraim), and Libya (Put).

And never mind that God says that curses based on disobedience are reversed when people repent and turn again to obedience (Ex. 20:6). This is certainly sufficient to negate the Christian endorsement of the American enslavement of black Christians.

Myths, however, do not need facts; they simply need supporters. Because the myth of inferiority needed as much theological support as possible to make it stick, some Christians turned to the New Testament to corroborate the Old Testament verses on masters and slaves. These people quoted biblical passages on slaves submitting to their masters (e.g., Eph. 6:5-8; Col. 3:22)to contemporize the myth to the economic framework of the New World.

.....With this comprehensive "biblical" strategy, the myth of inferiority took theological wings. These Christians forgot that the apostle Paul told masters to treat converted slaves as equal brothers in Christ (Philem. 1:15-16). They forgot that the apostle Paul said that slaves had the right to try to change their status (1 Cor. 7:21). And they forgot that the masters' authority over slaves was limited.

It was not within the mater's rights to treat a slave in an inhumane manner. Masters were to apply the Golden Rule to slaves and were not to treat them as children of a lesser god. The God who rules both heaven and earth will show no partiality to those who commit evil against humankind, whether slave or free.

The colonial Christians forgot Paul's writing to the Ephesians, which says, "For He Himself is our peace, who has made both one, and has broken down the middle wall of separation, having abolished in His flesh the enmity" (Eph. 2:14-15). Barriers no longer exist between people's fellowship with God or each other, Paul said,

They forgot the biblical truth that to be members of the body of Christ means that preferences based on class, culture, or race are totally unacceptable to God, and people who make such preferences are candidates for His judgment (James 2:9-13). Such biblical data, however, would not support the inferiority myth. Adding such biblical references would be telling the whole truth, and truth and myth do not mix very well. Therefore, early Americans had to be selective about what Bible verses to use to establish a theological basis to justify slavery and perpetuate the inferiority myth."

Yes. This was the ideology I heard when I grew up in the 60's about 'Ham' being cursed eventhough as plain as day, it was not written as such.

Myths, however, do not need facts; they simply need supporters.
Peace,

Indeed. One only need look at the facts (laws of genetics) and come to the realization that if one accepts this story as fact, Ham could not be black unless his father, mother or both were black. If that was the case then Shem and his brother would be the same as Ham. This is a most weak and illogical attempt at furthering the white supremacist mission.

Peace
Precise

Peace,

Indeed. One only need look at the facts (laws of genetics) and come to the realization that if one accepts this story as fact, Ham could not be black unless his father, mother or both were black. If that was the case then Shem and his brother would be the same as Ham. This is a most weak and illogical attempt at furthering the white supremacist mission.

Peace
Precise

Yes! That's just it! I so agree!

If Ham is then at least one of his parents were too and that would mean both Shem and his brother would be the same!

In fact, it was written that [paraphrasing] "Noah was perfect in his generations"!!! That would mean that both Noah and his wife were descendants from SETH . . . Seti . . . black . . . black . . . black!

...HAM & AbraHAM ...well done indeed



Yes! That's just it! I so agree!

If Ham is then at least one of his parents were too and that would mean both Shem and his brother would be the same!

In fact, it was written that [paraphrasing] "Noah was perfect in his generations"!!! That would mean that both Noah and his wife were descendants from SETH . . . Seti . . . black . . . black . . . black!




Chevron Dove,

You are on point with your assessment, for real!

Are Black People Cursed? The Curse of Ham
by Tony Evans
http://www.epm.org/artman2/publish/racial_reconciliation/Are_Black_People_Cursed_The_Curse_of_Ham.shtml

"Because Ham was the father of black people, and because he and his descendants were cursed to be slaves because of his sin against Noah, some Christians said, "Africans and their descendants are destined to be servants, and should accept their status as slaves in fulfillment of biblical prophecy." (4)

Now there existed a myth of inferiority with apparent biblical roots. This theological basis provided the raw material necessary to convince the slaves that to resist their assigned inferior status was to resist the will of God. This myth became an authoritative myth because it was rooted in theology, and slave owners used this twisted theology to sustain a perverted sociology. This process is known as sacralization, the development of theological and religious beliefs to serve the interest of a particular ethnic or racial group.

.....Never mind, of course, that the Bible says that Canaan, Ham's son, was cursed, not Ham himself. Thus, only one of Ham's four sons, not all four, were cursed. How then could all black people everywhere be cursed?

Never mind that the Bible places limitations on curses-only three or four generations at most (Ex. 20:5).

Never mind that the curse on Canaan and his descendants-"Now there, you are cursed, and none of you shall be freed from being slaves"-finds its most obvious fulfillment in the ongoing defeat and subjugation of Canaan by Israel (Josh. 9:23; 1 Kings 9:20-21).

Never mind that the descendants of Ham's other sons-Cush, Mizraim, and Put-have continued to this day as national peoples in Ethiopia (Cush), Egypt (Mizraim), and Libya (Put).

And never mind that God says that curses based on disobedience are reversed when people repent and turn again to obedience (Ex. 20:6). This is certainly sufficient to negate the Christian endorsement of the American enslavement of black Christians.

Myths, however, do not need facts; they simply need supporters. Because the myth of inferiority needed as much theological support as possible to make it stick, some Christians turned to the New Testament to corroborate the Old Testament verses on masters and slaves. These people quoted biblical passages on slaves submitting to their masters (e.g., Eph. 6:5-8; Col. 3:22)to contemporize the myth to the economic framework of the New World.

.....With this comprehensive "biblical" strategy, the myth of inferiority took theological wings. These Christians forgot that the apostle Paul told masters to treat converted slaves as equal brothers in Christ (Philem. 1:15-16). They forgot that the apostle Paul said that slaves had the right to try to change their status (1 Cor. 7:21). And they forgot that the masters' authority over slaves was limited.

It was not within the mater's rights to treat a slave in an inhumane manner. Masters were to apply the Golden Rule to slaves and were not to treat them as children of a lesser god. The God who rules both heaven and earth will show no partiality to those who commit evil against humankind, whether slave or free.

The colonial Christians forgot Paul's writing to the Ephesians, which says, "For He Himself is our peace, who has made both one, and has broken down the middle wall of separation, having abolished in His flesh the enmity" (Eph. 2:14-15). Barriers no longer exist between people's fellowship with God or each other, Paul said,

They forgot the biblical truth that to be members of the body of Christ means that preferences based on class, culture, or race are totally unacceptable to God, and people who make such preferences are candidates for His judgment (James 2:9-13). Such biblical data, however, would not support the inferiority myth. Adding such biblical references would be telling the whole truth, and truth and myth do not mix very well. Therefore, early Americans had to be selective about what Bible verses to use to establish a theological basis to justify slavery and perpetuate the inferiority myth."




cherryblossom,

My daughter, LadyLC, attends Tony Evans' huge Church in Dallas, Texas, and keeps me updated on the sermons. I sincerely hope that she reads this thread and link, and make comments. What I find really strange is the web site, title and location of the article.

Here is what I mean by strange:

Are Black People Cursed? The Curse of Ham

Posted in: Racial Reconciliation Articles, Miscellaneous

By Tony Evans


With this article, Tony does a great job and successfully debunks the Curse of Ham myth, but fails to make the color connection between Ham's brothers and his parents. So properly, this is an exercise in Racial Reconciliation, as titled.

The location of the article: Miscellaneous, is self-explanatory as well, miscellaneous?...far from it! Unless the goal is Reconciliation over rightly dividing the word of God. Clearly, we have serious misinterpretation of scripture, concerning color and motive, corrected and posted as racial reconciliation and labeled as miscellaneous; in my mind, this is terribly strange and keeps open racial lines by implication. Ham is the father of blacks and the other brothers are fathers of whites and yellows, if you will, all from the same parents, simply not biblical nor biological.

This style of fact-finding put on by Evans, creates more confusion, by perpetuating propoganda rather than telling the complete story.

cherryblossom,

My daughter, LadyLC, attends Tony Evans' huge Church in Dallas, Texas, and keeps me updated on the sermons. I sincerely hope that she reads this thread and link, and make comments. What I find really strange is the web site, title and location of the article.

Here is what I mean by strange:

Are Black People Cursed? The Curse of Ham

Posted in: Racial Reconciliation Articles, Miscellaneous

By Tony Evans


With this article, Tony does a great job and successfully debunks the Curse of Ham myth, but fails to make the color connection between Ham's brothers and his parents. So properly, this is an exercise in Racial Reconciliation, as titled.

The location of the article: Miscellaneous, is self-explanatory as well, miscellaneous?...far from it! Unless the goal is Reconciliation over rightly dividing the word of God. Clearly, we have serious misinterpretation of scripture, concerning color and motive, corrected and posted as racial reconciliation and labeled as miscellaneous; in my mind, this is terribly strange and keeps open racial lines by implication. Ham is the father of blacks and the other brothers are fathers of whites and yellows, if you will, all from the same parents, simply not biblical nor biological.

This style of fact-finding put on by Evans, creates more confusion, by perpetuating propoganda rather than telling the complete story.




That is so true!

This kind of style of addressing 'the truth' creates more confusion by perpetuating propaganda...

Not by the Christians but by the anti-Christians of whom have mis-interpreted the Bible for their own self gain.

That is so true!

This kind of style of addressing 'the truth' creates more confusion by perpetuating propaganda...

Not by the Christians but by the anti-Christians of whom have mis-interpreted the Bible for their own self gain.




Great point Chevron, anti-Christians do seek to misrepresent the Bible for self gain.

Bumped for LadyLC

Yes. This was the ideology I heard when I grew up in the 60's about 'Ham' being cursed eventhough as plain as day, it was not written as such.




Chevron Dove,

Our people back then did not have the mind-set nor resources to counter the teachings, but now that we do, there is some other faction within to fight with it seems. Hope you enjoy my book, Chevron, for real!

I read the article, thanks Dad for bringing it to my attention. Dr. Evans had addressed this is sermons at church as well. It would definitely been nice if he would have broke it down further to include the rest of Ham's family as well. I have yet to read anywhere or hear in the pulpit that he has broken this down any further.

I read the article, thanks Dad for bringing it to my attention. Dr. Evans had addressed this is sermons at church as well. It would definitely been nice if he would have broke it down further to include the rest of Ham's family as well. I have yet to read anywhere or hear in the pulpit that he has broken this down any further.




LadyLC,

Tell him to give me a call, no, just kidding sweetheart, but seriously, the truth will surface, eventually...thank you so much.

Chevron Dove,

Our people back then did not have the mind-set nor resources to counter the teachings, but now that we do, there is some other faction within to fight with it seems.



TRUTH!

TRUTH!

TRUTH! :)

LadyLC,

Tell him to give me a call, no, just kidding sweetheart, but seriously, the truth will surface, eventually...thank you so much.



Bro Clyde,

You have a beautiful daughter!

Lady LC, that's a glamour shot, for real.

TABLE OF NATIONS


---------- HAM - (cham; Cham) ----------

1. The Youngest Son of Noah:
The youngest son of Noah, from whom sprang the western and southwestern nations known to the Hebrews. His name first occurs in Genesis 5:32, where, as in 6:10 and elsewhere, it occupies the second place. In Genesis 9:18 Ham is described as "the father of Canaan".

2. Ham as a Nationality (30 Nations came out of Ham):
The name given, in Psalms 105:23,17; 106:22 (compare 78:51), to Egypt as a descendant of Ham, son of Noah. As Shem means "dusky," or the like, and Japheth "fair," it has been supposed that Ham meant, as is not improbable, "black." This is supported by the evidence of Hebrew and Arabic, in which the word chamam means "to be hot" and "to be black," the latter signification being derived from the former.

It is interesting to note that the Biblical record defines Egypt as the Land of Ham.
-- Psalm 105: 23 "Israel also came into Egypt...the land of Ham."

3. Meaning of the Word:
That Ham is connected with the native name of Egypt, Kem, or, in full pa ta' en Kem, "the land of Egypt," in Bashmurian Coptic Kheme, is unlikely, as this form is probably of a much later date than the composition of Gen, and, moreover, as the Arabic shows, the guttural is not a true kh, but the hard breathing h, which are both represented by the Hebrew cheth.

4. The Nations Descending from Ham:
First on the list, as being the darkest, is Cush or Ethiopia (Genesis 10:6), after which comes Mitsrayim, or Egypt, then PuT or Libyia, and Canaan last. The sons or descendants of each of these are then taken in turn, and it is noteworthy that some of them, like the Ethiopians and the Canaanites, spoke Semitic, and not Hamitic, languages--Seba (if connected with the Sabeans), Havilah (Yemen), and Sheba, whose queen visited Solomon.....


4. Four Sons of Ham (see map below):
1. Mizraim (Egypt)
2. Cush (Sudan, Ethiopia)
3. Put (Lybia)
4. Canaan (Hivites, Jebusites, Arvadites, Girga****es, Amorites, Arkites, Sinites, Hittites,
Sidonians, Perizzites, Zemarites)

5. CURSE OF CANAAN
1. Canaan was cursed, not Ham. (Gen. 9:25, "...cursed be Canaan..."
2. Genesis 9:25-27 "...servitude to his brothers..."
3. Exodus 20:5 --" A curse lasts three to four generations..."
4. Canaan does not exist as a nation today. Other three nations exist -- Egypt, Ethiopia
and Lybia.



---------- SHEM - shem (shem; Sem) ----------

1. Position in Noah's Family:
His Name:
The eldest son of Noah, from whom the Jews, as well as the Semitic ("Shemitic") nations in general have descended. When giving the names of Noah's three sons, Shem is always mentioned first (Genesis 9:18; 10:1, etc.); and though "the elder" in "Shem the brother of Japheth the elder" (Genesis 10:21 margin) is explained as referring to Shem, this is not the rendering of Onkelos.

His five sons peopled the greater part of West Asia's finest tracts, from Elam on the East to the Mediterranean on the West. Though generally regarded as meaning "dusky" (compare the Assyr-Babylonian samu--also Ham--possibly = "black," Japheth, "fair"), it is considered possible that Shem may be the usual Hebrew word for "name" (shem), given him because he was the firstborn--a parallel to the Assyr-Babylonian usage, in which "son," "name" (sumu) are synonyms (W. A. Inscriptions, V, plural 23, 11,29-32abc).

2. History, and the Nations Descended from Him (26 Nations came out of Shem):
Shem, who is called "the father of all the children of Eber," was born when Noah had attained the age of 500 years (Genesis 5:32). Though married at the time of the Flood, Shem was then childless. Aided by Japheth, he covered the nakedness of their father, which Ham, the youngest brother, had revealed to them; but unlike the last, Shem and Japheth, in their filial piety, approached their father walking backward, in order not to look upon him. Two years after the Flood, Shem being then 100 years old, his son Arpachshad was born (Genesis 11:10), and was followed by further sons and daughters during the remaining 500 years which preceded Shem's death.

Noah's prophetic blessing, on awakening from his wine, may be regarded as having been fulfilled in his descendants, who occupied Syria (Aramaic), Palestine (Canaan), Chaldea (Arpachshad), Assyria (Asshur), part of Persia (Elam), and Arabia (Joktan). In the first three of these, as well as in Elam, Canaanites had settled (if not in the other districts mentioned), but Shemites ruled, at some time or other, over the Canaanites, and Canaan thus became "his servant" (Genesis 9:25,26). The tablets found in Cappadocia seem to show that Shemites (Assyrians) had settled in that district also, but this was apparently an unimportant colony. Though designated sons of Shem, some of his descendants (e.g. the Elamites) did not speak a Semitic language, while other nationalities, not his descendants (e.g. the Canaanites), did.

3. Five Sons of Shem (see map below):
1. Elam (Arabia)
2. Asshur (Assyria)
3. Lud (Lydians)
4. Aram (Aramaic, Armenia, Mesopotamia, Syria)
5. Arphaxad (From which Abraham descended)

----- JAPHETH - ja'-feth (yepheth; yapheth; Iapheth) -----

1. Etymologies of Japheth:
This name, in Genesis 9:27, seems to be explained by the phrase "may God make wide (yapht, the American Standard Revised Version "enlarge") for Japheth," where yapht and Japheth are represented by the same consonants, but with different vowel-points. The root of yapht is pathach, "to make wide."

This etymology, however, is not universally accepted, as the word-play is so obvious, and the association of Japheth with Shem ("dark") and Ham ("black") suggests a name on similar lines--either gentilic, or descriptive of race. Japheth has therefore been explained as meaning "fair," from yaphah, the non-Sem and non-Hamitic races known to the Jews being all more or less whiteskinned. The Targum of Onkelos agrees with the English Versions of the Bible, but that of Jonathan has "God shall beautify Japheth," as though from yaphah.

2. His Descendants (14 Nations came out of Japheth):
The immediate descendants of Japheth were seven in number, and are represented by the nations designated Gomer, Magog, Madai, Javan, Tubal, Mesech, and Tiras; or, roughly, the Armenians, Lydians, Medes, Greeks, Tibarenians, and Moschians, the last, Tiras, remaining still obscure. The sons of Gomer (Ashkenaz, Riphath and Togarmah) were all settled in the West Asian tract; while the sons of Javan (Elisah, Tarshish, Kittim and Dodanim or Rodanim) occupied the Mediterranean coast and the adjacent islands.

3. His Place among the Sons of Noah:
In Genesis 9:27, as in other passages, Japheth occupies the 3rd place in the enumeration of the sons of Noah, but he is really regarded as the 2nd son, Ham being the youngest. In the genealogical table, however (Genesis 10:1), the descendants of Japheth are given first, and those of Shem last, in order to set forth Semitic affinities at greater length. Though this would seem to indicate that the fair races were the least known to the Jews, it implies that the latter were well disposed toward them, for Japheth was (ultimately) to dwell in the tents of Shem, and therefore to take part in Shem's spiritual privileges.

4. Seven Sons of Japheth (see map below):
1. Javan (Greece, Romans, Romance -- French, Italians, Spanish, Portuguese)
2. Magog (Scythians, Slavs, Russians, Bulgarians, Bohemians, Poles, Slovaks, Croatians)
3. Madai (Indians & Iranic: Medes, Persians, Afghans, Kurds)
4. Tubal (South of Black Sea)
5. Tiras (Thracians, Teutons, Germans, Scandinavian, Anglo-Saxon, Jutes)
6. Meshech (Russia)
7. Gomer (Celtic)




http://www.freemaninstitute.com/RTGham.htm

http://www.freemaninstitute.com/RTGham.htm




I thought the Curse of Ham was now a dead issue.

the bible doesn't even know if noah or ham was the father of Canaan genesis 9:18-27

Canaan was cursed because he originaly represented the solar god Re. the hebrew priests needed to diminish the influence of the Egyptian Re on the beliefs of the early Hebrew refugees from Egypt.

All four Males on the ark, Shem, Ham, Noah, Japheth were the father of Canaan because its mythology

the bible doesn't even know if noah or ham was the father of Canaan genesis 9:18-27

Canaan was cursed because he originaly represented the solar god Re. the hebrew priests needed to diminish the influence of the Egyptian Re on the beliefs of the early Hebrew refugees from Egypt.

All four Males on the ark, Shem, Ham, Noah, Japheth were the father of Canaan because its mythology




Wow! That's deep AACOOLDRE, for real. Is it that the Bible doesn't know or is it faulty interpretation, extrapolation(the process of constructing new data points outside a discrete set of known data points) you post here? Which is it, AACOOLDRE? Answer me?

HAM

By Andre Austin

White people love to try to say the Egyptians called their country “The black land” people of its soil of black mud from the Nile not because of their skin color.

Well they called themselves black and their land black

Plutarch who wrote “Isis and Osiris” said:

“Egypt, moreover, which has the Blackest of soils (Cham/Ham, land of black soil) they call by the same name as the black portion of the eye, “Chemia” ) and compare it to a heart; for it is warm and moist and is enclosed by the southern portions of the inhabited world and adjoins them, like the heart in a man’s left side“.

“Kemet (Chemia or Ham) means The country of the blacks or the land of the blacks and not The black soil” Nile contributions to Civilization By Anthony Browder p. 52

The Bible follows the same line of referring Ham to people and land interchangeable:

“The sons of Ham… (Genesis 10:6) People
“Jacob sojourned in the land of Ham (Psalm 105:23) Land


Just like Ham represented a person and an element of earth mud from the Nile river lets see the rest of them.

In Egyptian mythology the Nile river also called Nun (water) gave birth to 4 males and 4 females. The Nile river spit out mud turned into Clay from which god formed man. These eight person represent the family of Noah.

1.Noah = Nun (the Nile water)
2.Ham= Black mud of the Nile, the pile of the mud creates a mountain/ark (Earth
3.Shem = means eight, the eight deities that emerged from the flood (Air)
4.Japheth= The God Ptah calls forth the Light/fire. Ptah also is the creator by use of heart/tongue, the same in Genesis and John’s Gospel of Amen‘ words.

The wives are the unnamed 4 opposites. These 4 elements went by other names to like the family of Isis and Osiris

The Hebrews forgot to change the height of the Noah flood away from 15 cubits revealing the ancient Egyptians measurement of a good Nile flood to save population from starvation. For the Hebrews made Noah’s 8 a repopulation in Egypt it was the mythological population of the world.

Jesus says that comes to save like Noah and recommends you be at the top of your house to avoid the sulfur water that will be boiling hot. In other passage he tells you to either have a candle or lamp lit up. This can only be symbolic of Nun giving birth to the eight gods with Ptah the discover of fire being on top of the mud/mountain/ark or housetop. Reborn was symbolic of going through this fictional recreation process. Why do you think you dip under water and emerge upright for the new resurrection. Initiates who were baptized reborn indicated they had cleaned their souls, heart and mind with faith and deeds of righteousness.

If I was living 200 years ago and revealed this knowledge I would have been killed just like Bruno was.

the bible doesn't even know if noah or ham was the father of Canaan genesis 9:18-27

Canaan was cursed because he originaly represented the solar god Re. the hebrew priests needed to diminish the influence of the Egyptian Re on the beliefs of the early Hebrew refugees from Egypt.

All four Males on the ark, Shem, Ham, Noah, Japheth were the father of Canaan because its mythology


This sub-forum is for the study of Christianity, not mythology.

If you have an interest in mythology, start a new thread in the Spirituality/Religion Forum.

HAM

By Andre Austin

White people love to try to say the Egyptians called their country “The black land” people of its soil of black mud from the Nile not because of their skin color.

Well they called themselves black and their land black

Plutarch who wrote “Isis and Osiris” said:

“Egypt, moreover, which has the Blackest of soils (Cham/Ham, land of black soil) they call by the same name as the black portion of the eye, “Chemia” ) and compare it to a heart; for it is warm and moist and is enclosed by the southern portions of the inhabited world and adjoins them, like the heart in a man’s left side“.

“Kemet (Chemia or Ham) means The country of the blacks or the land of the blacks and not The black soil” Nile contributions to Civilization By Anthony Browder p. 52

The Bible follows the same line of referring Ham to people and land interchangeable:

“The sons of Ham… (Genesis 10:6) People
“Jacob sojourned in the land of Ham (Psalm 105:23) Land


Just like Ham represented a person and an element of earth mud from the Nile river lets see the rest of them.

In Egyptian mythology the Nile river also called Nun (water) gave birth to 4 males and 4 females. The Nile river spit out mud turned into Clay from which god formed man. These eight person represent the family of Noah.

1.Noah = Nun (the Nile water)
2.Ham= Black mud of the Nile, the pile of the mud creates a mountain/ark (Earth
3.Shem = means eight, the eight deities that emerged from the flood (Air)
4.Japheth= The God Ptah calls forth the Light/fire. Ptah also is the creator by use of heart/tongue, the same in Genesis and John’s Gospel of Amen‘ words.

The wives are the unnamed 4 opposites. These 4 elements went by other names to like the family of Isis and Osiris

The Hebrews forgot to change the height of the Noah flood away from 15 cubits revealing the ancient Egyptians measurement of a good Nile flood to save population from starvation. For the Hebrews made Noah’s 8 a repopulation in Egypt it was the mythological population of the world.

Jesus says that comes to save like Noah and recommends you be at the top of your house to avoid the sulfur water that will be boiling hot. In other passage he tells you to either have a candle or lamp lit up. This can only be symbolic of Nun giving birth to the eight gods with Ptah the discover of fire being on top of the mud/mountain/ark or housetop. Reborn was symbolic of going through this fictional recreation process. Why do you think you dip under water and emerge upright for the new resurrection. Initiates who were baptized reborn indicated they had cleaned their souls, heart and mind with faith and deeds of righteousness.

If I was living 200 years ago and revealed this knowledge I would have been killed just like Bruno was.





AACOOLDRE,

I take it that by replying in this manner, you have no argument to my post #19. That's good, but I must call you on it, not knowing the purpose of this particular post without a quote...Peace In