Black People | African Americans | Online Community





Black Chat - Black Poetry - Black Discussions - Destee





Black People | Black Chat | Black Poetry | Destee

View Full Version : Black Study Group : "The Curse Of Ham"


cherryblossom
08-19-2009, 06:44 AM
Are Black People Cursed? The Curse of Ham
by Tony Evans
http://www.epm.org/artman2/publish/racial_reconciliation/Are_Black_People_Cursed_The_Curse_of_Ham.shtml

"Because Ham was the father of black people, and because he and his descendants were cursed to be slaves because of his sin against Noah, some Christians said, "Africans and their descendants are destined to be servants, and should accept their status as slaves in fulfillment of biblical prophecy." (4)

Now there existed a myth of inferiority with apparent biblical roots. This theological basis provided the raw material necessary to convince the slaves that to resist their assigned inferior status was to resist the will of God. This myth became an authoritative myth because it was rooted in theology, and slave owners used this twisted theology to sustain a perverted sociology. This process is known as sacralization, the development of theological and religious beliefs to serve the interest of a particular ethnic or racial group.

.....Never mind, of course, that the Bible says that Canaan, Ham's son, was cursed, not Ham himself. Thus, only one of Ham's four sons, not all four, were cursed. How then could all black people everywhere be cursed?

Never mind that the Bible places limitations on curses-only three or four generations at most (Ex. 20:5).

Never mind that the curse on Canaan and his descendants-"Now there, you are cursed, and none of you shall be freed from being slaves"-finds its most obvious fulfillment in the ongoing defeat and subjugation of Canaan by Israel (Josh. 9:23; 1 Kings 9:20-21).

Never mind that the descendants of Ham's other sons-Cush, Mizraim, and Put-have continued to this day as national peoples in Ethiopia (Cush), Egypt (Mizraim), and Libya (Put).

And never mind that God says that curses based on disobedience are reversed when people repent and turn again to obedience (Ex. 20:6). This is certainly sufficient to negate the Christian endorsement of the American enslavement of black Christians.

Myths, however, do not need facts; they simply need supporters. Because the myth of inferiority needed as much theological support as possible to make it stick, some Christians turned to the New Testament to corroborate the Old Testament verses on masters and slaves. These people quoted biblical passages on slaves submitting to their masters (e.g., Eph. 6:5-8; Col. 3:22)to contemporize the myth to the economic framework of the New World.

.....With this comprehensive "biblical" strategy, the myth of inferiority took theological wings. These Christians forgot that the apostle Paul told masters to treat converted slaves as equal brothers in Christ (Philem. 1:15-16). They forgot that the apostle Paul said that slaves had the right to try to change their status (1 Cor. 7:21). And they forgot that the masters' authority over slaves was limited.

It was not within the mater's rights to treat a slave in an inhumane manner. Masters were to apply the Golden Rule to slaves and were not to treat them as children of a lesser god. The God who rules both heaven and earth will show no partiality to those who commit evil against humankind, whether slave or free.

The colonial Christians forgot Paul's writing to the Ephesians, which says, "For He Himself is our peace, who has made both one, and has broken down the middle wall of separation, having abolished in His flesh the enmity" (Eph. 2:14-15). Barriers no longer exist between people's fellowship with God or each other, Paul said,

They forgot the biblical truth that to be members of the body of Christ means that preferences based on class, culture, or race are totally unacceptable to God, and people who make such preferences are candidates for His judgment (James 2:9-13). Such biblical data, however, would not support the inferiority myth. Adding such biblical references would be telling the whole truth, and truth and myth do not mix very well. Therefore, early Americans had to be selective about what Bible verses to use to establish a theological basis to justify slavery and perpetuate the inferiority myth."

Chevron Dove
08-19-2009, 10:20 AM
Yes. This was the ideology I heard when I grew up in the 60's about 'Ham' being cursed eventhough as plain as day, it was not written as such.

Precise Allah
08-19-2009, 12:10 PM
Myths, however, do not need facts; they simply need supporters.
Peace,

Indeed. One only need look at the facts (laws of genetics) and come to the realization that if one accepts this story as fact, Ham could not be black unless his father, mother or both were black. If that was the case then Shem and his brother would be the same as Ham. This is a most weak and illogical attempt at furthering the white supremacist mission.

Peace
Precise

Chevron Dove
08-20-2009, 08:37 PM
Peace,

Indeed. One only need look at the facts (laws of genetics) and come to the realization that if one accepts this story as fact, Ham could not be black unless his father, mother or both were black. If that was the case then Shem and his brother would be the same as Ham. This is a most weak and illogical attempt at furthering the white supremacist mission.

Peace
Precise

Yes! That's just it! I so agree!

If Ham is then at least one of his parents were too and that would mean both Shem and his brother would be the same!

In fact, it was written that [paraphrasing] "Noah was perfect in his generations"!!! That would mean that both Noah and his wife were descendants from SETH . . . Seti . . . black . . . black . . . black!

Clyde Coger
08-21-2009, 03:02 AM
...HAM & AbraHAM ...well done indeed



Yes! That's just it! I so agree!

If Ham is then at least one of his parents were too and that would mean both Shem and his brother would be the same!

In fact, it was written that [paraphrasing] "Noah was perfect in his generations"!!! That would mean that both Noah and his wife were descendants from SETH . . . Seti . . . black . . . black . . . black!




Chevron Dove,

You are on point with your assessment, for real!

Clyde Coger
08-21-2009, 03:53 AM
Are Black People Cursed? The Curse of Ham
by Tony Evans
http://www.epm.org/artman2/publish/racial_reconciliation/Are_Black_People_Cursed_The_Curse_of_Ham.shtml

"Because Ham was the father of black people, and because he and his descendants were cursed to be slaves because of his sin against Noah, some Christians said, "Africans and their descendants are destined to be servants, and should accept their status as slaves in fulfillment of biblical prophecy." (4)

Now there existed a myth of inferiority with apparent biblical roots. This theological basis provided the raw material necessary to convince the slaves that to resist their assigned inferior status was to resist the will of God. This myth became an authoritative myth because it was rooted in theology, and slave owners used this twisted theology to sustain a perverted sociology. This process is known as sacralization, the development of theological and religious beliefs to serve the interest of a particular ethnic or racial group.

.....Never mind, of course, that the Bible says that Canaan, Ham's son, was cursed, not Ham himself. Thus, only one of Ham's four sons, not all four, were cursed. How then could all black people everywhere be cursed?

Never mind that the Bible places limitations on curses-only three or four generations at most (Ex. 20:5).

Never mind that the curse on Canaan and his descendants-"Now there, you are cursed, and none of you shall be freed from being slaves"-finds its most obvious fulfillment in the ongoing defeat and subjugation of Canaan by Israel (Josh. 9:23; 1 Kings 9:20-21).

Never mind that the descendants of Ham's other sons-Cush, Mizraim, and Put-have continued to this day as national peoples in Ethiopia (Cush), Egypt (Mizraim), and Libya (Put).

And never mind that God says that curses based on disobedience are reversed when people repent and turn again to obedience (Ex. 20:6). This is certainly sufficient to negate the Christian endorsement of the American enslavement of black Christians.

Myths, however, do not need facts; they simply need supporters. Because the myth of inferiority needed as much theological support as possible to make it stick, some Christians turned to the New Testament to corroborate the Old Testament verses on masters and slaves. These people quoted biblical passages on slaves submitting to their masters (e.g., Eph. 6:5-8; Col. 3:22)to contemporize the myth to the economic framework of the New World.

.....With this comprehensive "biblical" strategy, the myth of inferiority took theological wings. These Christians forgot that the apostle Paul told masters to treat converted slaves as equal brothers in Christ (Philem. 1:15-16). They forgot that the apostle Paul said that slaves had the right to try to change their status (1 Cor. 7:21). And they forgot that the masters' authority over slaves was limited.

It was not within the mater's rights to treat a slave in an inhumane manner. Masters were to apply the Golden Rule to slaves and were not to treat them as children of a lesser god. The God who rules both heaven and earth will show no partiality to those who commit evil against humankind, whether slave or free.

The colonial Christians forgot Paul's writing to the Ephesians, which says, "For He Himself is our peace, who has made both one, and has broken down the middle wall of separation, having abolished in His flesh the enmity" (Eph. 2:14-15). Barriers no longer exist between people's fellowship with God or each other, Paul said,

They forgot the biblical truth that to be members of the body of Christ means that preferences based on class, culture, or race are totally unacceptable to God, and people who make such preferences are candidates for His judgment (James 2:9-13). Such biblical data, however, would not support the inferiority myth. Adding such biblical references would be telling the whole truth, and truth and myth do not mix very well. Therefore, early Americans had to be selective about what Bible verses to use to establish a theological basis to justify slavery and perpetuate the inferiority myth."




cherryblossom,

My daughter, LadyLC, attends Tony Evans' huge Church in Dallas, Texas, and keeps me updated on the sermons. I sincerely hope that she reads this thread and link, and make comments. What I find really strange is the web site, title and location of the article.

Here is what I mean by strange:

Are Black People Cursed? The Curse of Ham

Posted in: Racial Reconciliation Articles, Miscellaneous

By Tony Evans


With this article, Tony does a great job and successfully debunks the Curse of Ham myth, but fails to make the color connection between Ham's brothers and his parents. So properly, this is an exercise in Racial Reconciliation, as titled.

The location of the article: Miscellaneous, is self-explanatory as well, miscellaneous?...far from it! Unless the goal is Reconciliation over rightly dividing the word of God. Clearly, we have serious misinterpretation of scripture, concerning color and motive, corrected and posted as racial reconciliation and labeled as miscellaneous; in my mind, this is terribly strange and keeps open racial lines by implication. Ham is the father of blacks and the other brothers are fathers of whites and yellows, if you will, all from the same parents, simply not biblical nor biological.

This style of fact-finding put on by Evans, creates more confusion, by perpetuating propoganda rather than telling the complete story.

Chevron Dove
08-21-2009, 08:34 AM
cherryblossom,

My daughter, LadyLC, attends Tony Evans' huge Church in Dallas, Texas, and keeps me updated on the sermons. I sincerely hope that she reads this thread and link, and make comments. What I find really strange is the web site, title and location of the article.

Here is what I mean by strange:

Are Black People Cursed? The Curse of Ham

Posted in: Racial Reconciliation Articles, Miscellaneous

By Tony Evans


With this article, Tony does a great job and successfully debunks the Curse of Ham myth, but fails to make the color connection between Ham's brothers and his parents. So properly, this is an exercise in Racial Reconciliation, as titled.

The location of the article: Miscellaneous, is self-explanatory as well, miscellaneous?...far from it! Unless the goal is Reconciliation over rightly dividing the word of God. Clearly, we have serious misinterpretation of scripture, concerning color and motive, corrected and posted as racial reconciliation and labeled as miscellaneous; in my mind, this is terribly strange and keeps open racial lines by implication. Ham is the father of blacks and the other brothers are fathers of whites and yellows, if you will, all from the same parents, simply not biblical nor biological.

This style of fact-finding put on by Evans, creates more confusion, by perpetuating propoganda rather than telling the complete story.




That is so true!

This kind of style of addressing 'the truth' creates more confusion by perpetuating propaganda...

Not by the Christians but by the anti-Christians of whom have mis-interpreted the Bible for their own self gain.

Clyde Coger
08-21-2009, 10:40 AM
That is so true!

This kind of style of addressing 'the truth' creates more confusion by perpetuating propaganda...

Not by the Christians but by the anti-Christians of whom have mis-interpreted the Bible for their own self gain.




Great point Chevron, anti-Christians do seek to misrepresent the Bible for self gain.

Clyde Coger
08-22-2009, 11:35 AM
Bumped for LadyLC

Clyde Coger
08-31-2009, 03:28 PM
Yes. This was the ideology I heard when I grew up in the 60's about 'Ham' being cursed eventhough as plain as day, it was not written as such.




Chevron Dove,

Our people back then did not have the mind-set nor resources to counter the teachings, but now that we do, there is some other faction within to fight with it seems. Hope you enjoy my book, Chevron, for real!

LadyLC
08-31-2009, 03:37 PM
I read the article, thanks Dad for bringing it to my attention. Dr. Evans had addressed this is sermons at church as well. It would definitely been nice if he would have broke it down further to include the rest of Ham's family as well. I have yet to read anywhere or hear in the pulpit that he has broken this down any further.

Clyde Coger
09-01-2009, 01:52 AM
I read the article, thanks Dad for bringing it to my attention. Dr. Evans had addressed this is sermons at church as well. It would definitely been nice if he would have broke it down further to include the rest of Ham's family as well. I have yet to read anywhere or hear in the pulpit that he has broken this down any further.




LadyLC,

Tell him to give me a call, no, just kidding sweetheart, but seriously, the truth will surface, eventually...thank you so much.

Black People | Black | Black Chat | Black Poetry | Destee


Destee Copyright 2006 Black People