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oldsoul
08-02-2009, 12:06 AM
They Dont Care About Us
"They Don’t Care About Us” is the fourth single from Michael Jackson’s 1996 album “HIStory.” The song remains one of the most controversial pieces Jackson ever composed. In the U.S., media scrutiny surrounding alleged antisemitic lyrics were the catalyst for Jackson altering a couple of words in the lyrics.

Responding to criticism by the New York Times, Jackson said: “The idea that these lyrics could be deemed objectionable is extremely hurtful to me, and misleading. The song in fact is about the pain of prejudice and hate and is a way to draw attention to social and political problems. I am the voice of the accused and the attacked. I am the voice of everyone. I am the skinhead, I am the Jew, I am the Black man, I am the white man. I am not the one who was attacking. It is about the injustices to young people and how the system can wrongfully accuse them. I am angry and outraged that I could be so misinterpreted.”

The song was accompanied by two music videos directed by Spike Lee. The first was shot in the Dona Marta favela, or shantytown, of Rio de Janeiro, where state authorities tried to ban all production over fears the video would damage their image, the area and prospects of staging the 2004 Olympics. Still, the residents of the area were happy to see the singer, hoping their problems would be made visible to a wider audience.

Jackson collaborated with 200 members of the cultural group Olodum, “who swayed to the heavy beat of Salvador’s ‘samba-reggae’ music.” The media interest surrounding the music video exposed Olodum to 140 countries around the world. It brought them worldwide fame and increased their credibility in Brazil.
The second video was shot in a prison and contains real video footage of police attacking Blacks and of the Ku Klux Klan, war, genocide, starving children, assassination, execution and other infamous human rights abuses by the state. This is the first time that Jackson made a second music video for a single.
Commercially, the song became a Top 10 hit in all European countries. In the U.S., radio stations were reluctant to play the controversial composition; however, it managed to peak at No. 30 on the Billboard Hot 100.

‘They Don’t Care About Us’ by Michael Jackson

Skin head, dead head
Everybody gone bad
Situation, aggravation
Everybody allegation
In the suite, on the news
Everybody dog food
Bang bang, shot dead
Everybody’s gone mad

All I wanna say is that
They don’t really care about us
All I wanna say is that
They don’t really care about us

Beat me, hate me
You can never break me
Will me, thrill me
You can never kill me
Jew me, sue me
Everybody do me
Kick me, kike me
Don’t you black or white me

All I wanna say is that
They don’t really care about us
All I wanna say is that
They don’t really care about us

Tell me what has become of my life
I have a wife and two children who love me
I am the victim of police brutality, now
I’m tired of bein’ the victim of hate
You’re rapin’ me of my pride
Oh, for God’s sake
I look to heaven to fulfill its prophecy …
Set me free

Skin head, dead head
Everybody gone bad
trepidation, speculation
Everybody allegation
In the suite, on the news
Everybody dog food
Black man, Black male
Throw your brother in jail

All I wanna say is that
They don’t really care about us
All I wanna say is that
They don’t really care about us

Tell me what has become of my rights
Am I invisible because you ignore me?
Your proclamation promised me free liberty, now
I’m tired of bein’ the victim of shame
They’re throwing me in a class with a bad name
I can’t believe this is the land from which I came
You know I do really hate to say it
The government don’t wanna see
But if Roosevelt was livin’
He wouldn’t let this be, no, no

Skin head, dead head
Everybody gone bad
Situation, speculation
Everybody litigation
Beat me, bash me
You can never trash me
Hit me, kick me
You can never get me

All I wanna say is that
They don’t really care about us
All I wanna say is that
They don’t really care about us

Some things in life they just don’t wanna see
But if Martin Luther was livin’
He wouldn’t let this be

Skin head, dead head
Everybody gone bad
Situation, segregation
Everybody allegation
In the suite, on the news
Everybody dog food
Kick me, strike me
Don’t you wrong or right me

All I wanna say is that
They don’t really care about us
All I wanna say is that
They don’t really care about us

All I wanna say is that
They don’t really care about us
All I wanna say is that
They don’t really care about us

All I wanna say is that
They don’t really care about us
All I wanna say is that
They don’t really care about us

Oficial Brazil Version
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Banned Prison Version
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Clyde Coger
08-02-2009, 02:28 AM
oldosul,

This is the bomb oldsoul, for real. Thanks for taking the time and putting all of this together. Most I knew about, except the second video by Spike Lee, awesome stuff...Peace In my brother friend.

Putney Swope
08-02-2009, 09:39 AM
MKUltra is real and the brother did go through traumatic mind control experiments during his youth, but just like the proverbial Rambo, breaking out of his programming,
Michael's wakening scared the crap out of the Illuminati.

Do we actually think that a 50 year old man with that much knowledge of our plight (Brazil has a much lager Black population then the United States and most in hidden abject poverty)
a knowledge of the secrets of those high up in the oligarchy and elite bloodlines,
a knowledge of the impending globalism that will desimate Africa,

just sat around fixing his nose for eight years???????

No it is my conjecture that he was using his multi millions to not only expose the hidden horrors that the press have an Orwellian desire to hide, but that he literaly risked life and limb to assist those who the corporations felt should never be assisted,
that is my hypothesis.

Like Jim Garrison,
Mae Brussels,
Danny Cassolaro,
Mickie Leland,
Gary Webb,
and Jim Kieth

he was "suicided" by intel

chuck
08-02-2009, 12:14 PM
Nobody knows 'everything'!

And I believe a few here need to quit seeking short term 'fixes' whereas what is wanted is long range goals for what we actually intend to do in the midst of this corrupt as well as corrupting part of world culture etc.

I. e., turning a guy who had his own share of unresolved issues and problems, no matter his merits as a singer/songwriter/etc., into a social and politica icon, etc., won't get us there...

:SuN020:

chuck
08-02-2009, 12:17 PM
Actully I feel and think Mike is just the latest victim of those who love others more than he loved himself...

May the Creators and the other kind spirits be forgiving (if not forgetting) of his shortcomings when he was among the living too...

:SuN044:

Clyde Coger
08-02-2009, 03:45 PM
Nobody knows 'everything'!

And I believe a few here need to quit seeking short term 'fixes' whereas what is wanted is long range goals for what we actually intend to do in the midst of this corrupt as well as corrupting part of world culture etc.

I. e., turning a guy who had his own share of unresolved issues and problems, no matter his merits as a singer/songwriter/etc., into a social and politica icon, etc., won't get us there...

:SuN020:




C'mon brother chuck and get on the band wagon,

It is what it is, our brother Michael Jackson, now an ancestor, did what he could as Putney and oldsoul both bring to the table thoses things that perhaps and eventually brought about his death.

Here is what you have not considered, Michael Jackson was the most well known person to have walked the planet in recent years, and as a Black Man this speaks volumes. It means that Michael was in a position to, as you say, "get us there." You do at least give him credit for using his influence to overcome again, as you say his, "unresolved issues and problems," correct?

jamesfrmphilly
08-02-2009, 05:01 PM
none of our great people are perfect. they all got faults just as we do too.
therefore it is easy to sit at your keyboard and find fault with most any one in the public eye.

i take it for what it is. some cat in his mothers basement with a keyboard.

Clyde Coger
08-02-2009, 05:15 PM
none of our great people are perfect. they all got faults just as we do too.
therefore it is easy to sit at your keyboard and find fault with most any one in the public eye.

i take it for what it is. some cat in his mothers basement with a keyboard.




That's keeping it real, cause it ain't no santa claus.....
.

Putney Swope
08-02-2009, 05:48 PM
C'mon brother chuck and get on the band wagon,

It is what it is, our brother Michael Jackson, now an ancestor, did what he could as Putney and oldsoul both bring to the table thoses things that perhaps and eventually brought about his death.

Here is what you have not considered, Michael Jackson was the most well known person to have walked the planet in recent years, and as a Black Man this speaks volumes. It means that Michael was in a position to, as you say, "get us there." You do at least give him credit for using his influence to overcome again, as you say his, "unresolved issues and problems," correct?



a white image and a faked efffeminacy, he was a manchurian candidate in reverse, programming himself to do things we could not dream of, or probably would not want to dream if we did.
War in defense of the opressed as Malcolm said is not a pretty thing.

Maybe he created a "Joker image" to rail chaos on the illuminati, economicaly and physicaly, we may never know


I do know this,
of all the bizarre and shocking things he did or was accused of doing the most shocking and bizarre thing happened at his concert here in NYC at radio City;

He introduced Marlon Brando to come and speak for an hour on stage,
regarding the deeper political horrors of the day,
and what people must do to turn them around.

Jackson just mite have been a spook who sat by the door

river
08-02-2009, 08:28 PM
a white image and a faked efffeminacy, he was a manchurian candidate in reverse, programming himself to do things we could not dream of, or probably would not want to dream if we did.
War in defense of the opressed as Malcolm said is not a pretty thing.

Maybe he created a "Joker image" to rail chaos on the illuminati, economicaly and physicaly, we may never know


I do know this,
of all the bizarre and shocking things he did or was accused of doing the most shocking and bizarre thing happened at his concert here in NYC at radio City;

He introduced Marlon Brando to come and speak for an hour on stage,
regarding the deeper political horrors of the day,
and what people must do to turn them around.

Jackson just mite have been a spook who sat by the door
Or the spook who opened many doors. So will we shoot our wounded no matter how much they do for us then wonder why there aren't a whole lot of people doing anything for us?

Clyde Coger
08-02-2009, 09:10 PM
...under a disguise of ......

a white image and a faked efffeminacy, he was a manchurian candidate in reverse, programming himself to do things we could not dream of, or probably would not want to dream if we did.
War in defense of the opressed as Malcolm said is not a pretty thing.

Maybe he created a "Joker image" to rail chaos on the illuminati, economicaly and physicaly, we may never know


I do know this,
of all the bizarre and shocking things he did or was accused of doing the most shocking and bizarre thing happened at his concert here in NYC at radio City;

He introduced Marlon Brando to come and speak for an hour on stage,
regarding the deeper political horrors of the day,
and what people must do to turn them around.

Jackson just mite have been a spook who sat by the door




Putney,

This provides a reflection of good insight, the spook who sat by the door...:)...Sam Greenlee.

chuck
08-03-2009, 08:50 AM
Those who say:

Don't know...

Those who know...

Don't say!

:em0200:

Clyde Coger
08-03-2009, 02:58 PM
Those who say:

Don't know...

Those who know...

Don't say!

:em0200:




chuck,

Are you just posting to be posting? If so, please respond to post #6 on page 1, it is a direct reply from me to you, chuck, that you may have overlooked.

chuck
08-03-2009, 03:09 PM
First of all:

No need or want for me to go searching thru other threads to reply to things if I haven't by now I also don't intend to...

Do respect my choices:

I already do likewise...

Lastly:

As long as we continue to openly reveal things about our sources?

We also alert our enemies!

And endanger our allies...

:SuN044:

chuck
08-03-2009, 03:17 PM
C'mon brother chuck and get on the band wagon,

It is what it is, our brother Michael Jackson, now an ancestor, did what he could as Putney and oldsoul both bring to the table thoses things that perhaps and eventually brought about his death.

Here is what you have not considered, Michael Jackson was the most well known person to have walked the planet in recent years, and as a Black Man this speaks volumes. It means that Michael was in a position to, as you say, "get us there." You do at least give him credit for using his influence to overcome again, as you say his, "unresolved issues and problems," correct?



Once and for all, as well as for the sake of others?

If sometimes I and others can't just air our 'unpopular opinions' as well:

Then what is being asked for is our voices to be silenced too!

So much for our 'freedom of speech'!

But nobody's appeal being based on yet another call of 'unity' etc. is going to persuade me to give up my own!

And if you truly hope as well as pray to gain more suppport from folks outside of these forums etc. to advance your agenda(s) etc.:

You best consider another approach (or approaches) when it comes to them as well...

:SuN020:

Clyde Coger
08-03-2009, 03:29 PM
Once and for all, as well as for the sake of others?

If sometimes I and others can't just air our 'unpopular opinions' as well:

Then what is being asked for is our voices to be silenced too!

So much for our 'freedom of speech'!

But nobody's appeal being based on yet another call of 'unity' etc. is going to persuade me to give up my own!

And if you truly hope as well as pray to gain more suppport from folks outside of these forums etc. to advance your agenda(s) etc.:

You best consider another approach (or approaches) when it comes to them as well...

:SuN020:




Peace In chuck, for real, you have made yourself clear and I now understand.

jamesfrmphilly
08-03-2009, 04:26 PM
a person can spend an entire lifetime detailing all the dirt that black folk do.
thing is....is that any way to live?

Clyde Coger
08-03-2009, 06:39 PM
a person can spend an entire lifetime detailing all the dirt that black folk do.
thing is....is that any way to live?


True dat jamesfrmphilly, for real, thats keeping it real.

chuck
08-03-2009, 09:27 PM
Peace In chuck, for real, you have made yourself clear and I now understand.



:toast:

Clyde Coger
08-03-2009, 09:43 PM
:toast:


take care chuck............................................. ...................................:horse:........ .................................................. .........

chuck
08-04-2009, 09:48 AM
a person can spend an entire lifetime detailing all the dirt that black folk do.
thing is....is that any way to live?

Just as long as we can agree some folks need to clean up the messes they (not us) made:

I agree!

:em0200:

WARRIOR
08-04-2009, 12:54 PM
FROM THE MOVIE , THE COLOR PURPLE :

SHUG : WHY MISS CELIE , YOU MAKE IT SOUND AS IF HE GON' TO THE TOILET ON YOU.....

MISS CELIE : THAT WHAT IT FEEL LIKE......


ANYONE CAN GO TO THE TOILET ON ANYBODY & ANYWHERE......

SOMETIMES THEY EXPECT OTHERS TO CLEAN THEM UP AFTERWARDS....
SOMETIMES THEY JUST GO ON LEAVING A MESS WITHOUT ANY CLEAN UP.....
SOMETIMES THEY ARE MATURE ENOUGH TO CLEAN THEMSELVES UP , ALONG WITH THE MESS THEY LEFT.....

THIS IS WHY I CONSTANTLY TELL PEOPLE THAT THERE'S TOILET PAPER ON SALE......



WARRIOR

chuck
08-07-2009, 07:54 AM
In relationship to the post sixties generation etc.:

They're more familiar with films like Boyz N The Hood and New Jack City etc.

So I suggest you keep in mind that there is a crossection of posters from different generations who post on these threads:

And you need to keep that in mind whenever you refer to movies etc., i. e., which some may well have seen, others not at all, whenever you seek to back up your points, via those sort of means and ways...

:SuN034:

Clyde Coger
08-07-2009, 10:15 AM
FROM THE MOVIE , THE COLOR PURPLE :

SHUG : WHY MISS CELIE , YOU MAKE IT SOUND AS IF HE GON' TO THE TOILET ON YOU.....

MISS CELIE : THAT WHAT IT FEEL LIKE......


ANYONE CAN GO TO THE TOILET ON ANYBODY & ANYWHERE......

SOMETIMES THEY EXPECT OTHERS TO CLEAN THEM UP AFTERWARDS....
SOMETIMES THEY JUST GO ON LEAVING A MESS WITHOUT ANY CLEAN UP.....
SOMETIMES THEY ARE MATURE ENOUGH TO CLEAN THEMSELVES UP , ALONG WITH THE MESS THEY LEFT.....

THIS IS WHY I CONSTANTLY TELL PEOPLE THAT THERE'S TOILET PAPER ON SALE......



WARRIOR




Well said WARRIOR, well said indeed, hope this message reaches those needing the toilet paper.

If it doesn’t, here is a little something that may help:

http://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local-beat/Bust-Check-Out-MJs-Bust-52512812.html?yhp=1

WARRIOR
08-07-2009, 01:15 PM
In relationship to the post sixties generation etc.:

They're more familiar with films like Boyz N The Hood and New Jack City etc.

So I suggest you keep in mind that there is a crossection of posters from different generations who post on these threads:

And you need to keep that in mind whenever you refer to movies etc., i. e., which some may well have seen, others not at all, whenever you seek to back up your points, via those sort of means and ways...

:SuN034:

BRO. CHUCK......I HAD CONSIDERED GIVING YOU THE BENEFIT OF THE DOUBT.....BY TAKING THE INTELLIGENT APPROACH IN MY REPLY TO YOU....AND RESPECTFULLY ASSUMING THAT YOUR REPLY WAS NOTHING MORE THAN A MERE EXAMPLE OF MY POINT , BY SHOWING IT'S DISPLAY & DIRECTING IT TOWARDS ME.....

I ALSO HAD CONSIDERED GIVING YOU THE BENEFIT OF THE DOUBT AGAIN , NOT BECAUSE THE STRUCTURE OF YOUR REPLY IS OUTSTANDING , BUT BECAUSE YOU OBVIOUSLY ASSUMED THAT I AM FROM THE 1960'S.....A PERIOD THAT I WAS BORN IN , LEARNED MUCH ABOUT , AND I STAND PROUD OF EACH & EVERYDAY.....

SOME WOULD CALL YOUR INTRODUCTION A SAD AND DISRESPECTFUL CASE OF......CLASSIFICATION.....A SUBJECT WE AS BLACK PEOPLE SUFFER TREMENDOUSLY FROM......

BUT NO BRO. CHUCK....I GOTTA COME BACK AT YOU STRAIGHT.....

MY POINT WAS DIRECTED AT THE NONSENSE I BEEN FOLLOWING IN THIS THREAD.....BUT ALSO , MY POINT DOES INDEED STAY TRUE TO THE ORIGINAL POST IN THIS THREAD.....BECAUSE THEY REALLY DO NOT CARE ABOUT US.....

ALICE WALKER.....AN AWARD-WINNING AUTHOR , WHO WROTE THE NOVEL TITLED : "THE COLOR PURPLE".....WHICH PRODUCED A MILESTONE MOVIE NOT ONLY IN MOVIE HISTORY , BUT BLACK HISTORY AS WELL......THOUGH IT WAS DIRECTED BY A WHITE DIRECTOR , I STILL COMMEND HIS PERFORMANCE , AND I KNOW IN MY HEART HAD THE RESOURCES BEEN AVAILABLE , A BLACK DIRECTOR COULD HAVE DONE AN EQUAL OR BETTER JOB......

MY ONLY LET-DOWN CONCERNING THIS MOVIE IS THAT BROTHER RICHARD PRYOR , WHO AT ONE TIME CO-OWNED A MOVIE COMPANY WITH BROTHER JIM BROWN , PASSED ON THE RIGHTS TO MAKE THIS MOVIE.....

OBVIOUSLY BRO. CHUCK , YOU CHOOSE TO IGNORE THE MORAL & HISTORICAL SIGNIFIGANCE OF THIS MOVIE , BY REFERRING TO MOVIES SUCH AS "BOYZ IN THE HOOD & NEW JACK CITY"......IN THE NAME OF POPULARITY.......

WHEN YOU SAY...."They're more familiar with films like Boyz N The Hood and New Jack City etc.".......THAT TELLS ME YOU ARE WAY OUT OF TOUCH WITH WHOEVER "THEY" REALLY ARE......AND I WOULD BE A FOOL TO ENTERTAIN ANY INSTRUCTIONS FROM YOU THAT WOULD LEAD ME DOWN THE PATH OF IGNORANCE.....

YES....THAT'S RIGHT....IGNORANCE.....

IT WAS QUITE IGNORANT OF YOU TO CONSIDER MODERN DAY HOOD/GANGSTER MOVIES OF MORE IMPORTANCE THAN A MOVIE STEMMED FROM A REAL TALENTED & GIFTED AUTHOR/SISTER......WHO PRAISES THE MOVIE IN IT'S ENTIRETY.....

IT'S EASY TO ASSUME THAT EVERYONE HERE...YOUNG & OLD , BLACK & NON-BLACK , IS FAMILIAR WITH , TO SOME DEGREE OF THE MOVIE "THE COLOR PURPLE "....BUT IN CASE THEY AREN'T , THE TITLE ALONE GIVES THEM A START IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION TOWARDS RESEARCHING THE POINT I MADE IN THIS THREAD....

TYLER PERRY HAS OFTEN USED LINES FROM THE COLOR PURPLE IN HIS PLAYS AND HIS MOVIES....BUT I REFUSE TO CALL YOU A HYPOCRITE....BECAUSE THAT WOULD MEAN THAT YOU DO LIKE TYLER PERRY'S WORK....AND I'M NOT GOING TO ASSUME THAT AT ALL...

NOW , AS FOR YOUR SUGGESTION : So I suggest you keep in mind that there is a crossection of posters from different generations who post on these threads

A CROSSECTION YOU SAY ???......IT'S THE DIVERSE ATMOSPHERE WITHIN THE BLACK COMMUNITY THAT LURED ME INTO THIS SITE TO BEGIN WITH....I TREASURE THE MANY ASPECTS OF BLACK THOUGHT THAT RESIDE HERE....NOT ONLY DO I GET TO BE EDUCATED ON MANY LEVELS , I GET TO BE A PART OF THE COMMON BONDS THAT ARE BEING SOLIDIFIED AS I SPEAK......

THEN YOU COMPLETED YOUR LAST PARAGRAPH WITH THIS : whenever you seek to back up your points, via those sort of means and ways...

BRO. CHUCK , THERE'S NOTHING TO BACK UP.....WHAT THIS SAYS TO ME IS THAT MY POST HIT A DEEP & SENSITIVE NERVE WITHIN YOU.....AND YOU FELT COMPELLED TO LASH OUT AT ME BECAUSE YOU HAVE BEEN GOING TO TOILET HERE QUITE FREQUENTLY , WITHOUT A CARE FOR CLEANING UP YOUR MESS......OTHERWISE , WHY ELSE WOULD YOU TAKE THE IRRESPONSIBLE APPROACH YOU DID ??

I HAVE PROVEN , JUST LIKE YOU , THAT I DO CARRY A BIT OF INTELLIGENCE ......AND I HAVE SUPPORTED YOUR THOUGHTS ON OCCASION HERE....AND I SEE NOW THAT YOU ENTERTAIN EMPTY RHETORIC OVER FACTUAL COMMONPLACE.....

IF THE SHOE FROM MY POST FITS........THEN I GUESS YOU HAVE TO WEAR IT.....MAKES NO DIFFERENCE TO ME......ALL I KNOW IS , IF YOU'RE GONNA OFFER ME INSTRUCTION , YOU BETTER BE VERY SURE IM IN NEED OF IT....


WARRIOR

WARRIOR
08-07-2009, 01:17 PM
Well said WARRIOR, well said indeed, hope this message reaches those needing the toilet paper.

If it doesn’t, here is a little something that may help:

http://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local-beat/Bust-Check-Out-MJs-Bust-52512812.html?yhp=1



I APPRECIATE THAT BRO. CLYDE......I HAVE CHECKED OUT THE LINK YOU PROVIDED , AND YOU ARE CORRECT.....

WHAT I HAVE LEARNED RECENTLY IS THAT SOME PEOPLE GET UPSET IF YOU SUGGEST THEY USE TOILET PAPER....

THANK YOU AGAIN BROTHER....


WARRIOR

chuck
08-07-2009, 04:21 PM
Brother W, not only have you taken offense, where none was intended nor meant:

I also kinda sorta get the strong impression of you having already prejudged me too!

Simply put:

That's not my way!

Instead:

If and when somebody does or says anything I felt or thought was or is disrespectful, be it directed at me or anybody else, I just tell them upfront...

As in:

At the time!

On the other hand:

Mine was not a criticism and it is a suggestion...

If I had referred to the TV flick-- THE MAN--which was aired back in the seventies--and--since I can guess either those who saw it may well have forgotten all about that fictionalized account of the first black U. S. president--or others hadn't even been born at the time--i. e., in order to contrast what I feel and think is the right (as opposed to the wrong) sort of role model etc. to expect from our black elected officials--etc.--the reaction might well have been:

"Huh?"

Also-- you kinda sorta have guessed I was referring to the era--not the films--when I suggested you keep your references current--i. e., which is what any effective speaker does in order to get their points across to their intended audience(s)...

Otherwise-- since our approaches seem and sound to be based on much different motivations-- etc.

Message received and understood...

:fyi:

WARRIOR
08-07-2009, 05:18 PM
Brother W, not only have you taken offense, where none was intended nor meant:

I also kinda sorta get the strong impression of you having already prejudged me too!

Simply put:

That's not my way!

Instead:

If and when somebody does or says anything I felt or thought was or is disrespectful, be it directed at me or anybody else, I just tell them upfront...

As in:

At the time!

On the other hand:

Mine was not a criticism and it is a suggestion...

If I had referred to the TV flick-- THE MAN--which was aired back in the seventies--and--since I can guess either those who saw it may well have forgotten all about that fictionalized account of the first black U. S. president--or others hadn't even been born at the time--i. e., in order to contrast what I feel and think is the right (as opposed to the wrong) sort of role model etc. to expect from our black elected officials--etc.--the reaction might well have been:

"Huh?"

Also-- you kinda sorta have guessed I was referring to the era--not the films--when I suggested you keep your references current--i. e., which is what any effective speaker does in order to get their points across to their intended audience(s)...

Otherwise-- since our approaches seem and sound to be based on much different motivations-- etc.

Message received and understood...

:fyi:

YES....YOU ARE CORRECT....I DID TAKE OFFENSE....WITHOUT HESITATION....

I DON'T BELIEVE I MISJUDGED YOU AT ALL....IF I WERE GOING TO JUDGE YOU.....I WOULD BACK UP THAT CLAIM BY QUOTING SEVERAL OF YOUR POSTS.....AND IDENTIFYING THE CONTRADICTIONS ONE BY ONE.....BUT IN THIS CASE.....I AM GOING BY YOUR POST THAT WAS DIRECTED AT ME....OFFERING INSTRUCTIONS...

SINCE BEING UPFRONT IS YOUR WAY AS YOU CLAIM.....THEN I'LL CONSIDER MY LAST REPLY TO YOU AS JUST.....

SINCE YOU SAY YOUR REPLY WAS ONE OF SUGGESTION AND NOT CRITICISM....ALL I CAN SAY TO THAT IS......" I HEAR YOU "

AS FOR YOUR REFERENCE IN THE ARENA OF MISUNDERSTANDING BY MENTIONING A SHOW FROM THE 70'S THAT WOULD MAKE MOST SAY...." HUH ? "....SOLEY IN THE NAME OF EXAMPLE....BECAUSE SOME HERE WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO KNOW ABOUT THAT SHOW.....

ALL I CAN TELL YOU IS THAT YOUR POINT IS ONE-SIDED......BECAUSE A SEMI-POPULAR TV SHOW FROM THE 70'S SURELY DOESNT COMPARE TO THE IMPACT OF A MILESTONE MOVIE LIKE " THE COLOR PURPLE "......WHICH WAS RELEASED IN THE MID 80'S........YOUR TIME-FRAME AND YOUR POPULAR IMPACT ARE BOTH OFF-BALANCE....

WHETHER IT BE THE ERA......THE FILMS....OR THE TOOLS ANY SPEAKER USES TO GET THEIR POINT ACROSS.......A THOROUGH FOLLOW-THRU IS VERY IMPORTANT WHEN IT COMES TO DELIVERY.......I WAS TAUGHT TO DO THREE THINGS WHEN I SPEAK ON A TOPIC OR SUBJECT :

1.....INTRODUCTION
2.....MESSAGE
3.....SUMMARY

AND IN MY OPINION.....IT'S VERY HARD TO GIVE A PROPER DELIVERY WHILE STANDING ON PAPER AS A FOUNDATION......

I AGREE WITH YOU AS FAR AS OUR APPROACHES GOES........BUT UNDERSTAND THIS ABOUT ME.....

I TAKE NO INSTRUCTIONS FROM ANYONE WHO DOESN'T HAVE MY INTEREST AT HEART OR HAND......AND BELIEVE ME , I HAVE THE JAILTIME TO BACK THAT UP....

MY INSTINCTS TELL ME TO OVERLOOK YOU AND KEEP MOVING.....BUT I HAVE TO ACKNOWLEDGE PROPER MANHOOD WHEN IT PRESENTS ITSELF.....SO.....

I'LL GIVE YOUR SINCERITY EVERY CONSIDERATION BRO. CHUCK.....YOU HAVE MY WORD ON THAT.....


WARRIOR

Clyde Coger
08-08-2009, 10:11 AM
I APPRECIATE THAT BRO. CLYDE......I HAVE CHECKED OUT THE LINK YOU PROVIDED , AND YOU ARE CORRECT.....

WHAT I HAVE LEARNED RECENTLY IS THAT SOME PEOPLE GET UPSET IF YOU SUGGEST THEY USE TOILET PAPER....

THANK YOU AGAIN BROTHER....


WARRIOR




Peace In Bro. WARRIOR, for real my brother friend.

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