Rev.4

[1] After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, Come up hither, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter.
[2] And immediately I was in the spirit: and, behold, a throne was set in heaven, and one sat on the throne.
[3] And he that sat was to look upon like a jasper and a sardine stone: and there was a rainbow round about the throne, in sight like unto an emerald.
[4] And round about the throne were four and twenty seats: and upon the seats I saw four and twenty elders sitting, clothed in white raiment; and they had on their heads crowns of gold.
[5] And out of the throne proceeded lightnings and thunderings and voices: and there were seven lamps of fire burning before the throne, which are the seven Spirits of God.
[6] And before the throne there was a sea of glass like unto crystal: and in the midst of the throne, and round about the throne, were four beasts full of eyes before and behind.
[7] And the first beast was like a lion, and the second beast like a calf, and the third beast had a face as a man, and the fourth beast was like a flying eagle.
[8] And the four beasts had each of them six wings about him; and they were full of eyes within: and they rest not day and night, saying, Holy, holy, holy, Lord God Almighty, which was, and is, and is to come.
[9] And when those beasts give glory and honour and thanks to him that sat on the throne, who liveth for ever and ever,
[10] The four and twenty elders fall down before him that sat on the throne, and worship him that liveth for ever and ever, and cast their crowns before the throne, saying,
[11] Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created.

cherryblossom,

Bible study is something I take very serious. It is something I do from my heart. It is something God's Holy Ghost, which is to say Spirit, has given me to exercise in these latter days, hence some of us are latter rain teachers; and I am such a one.

With that understanding, please begin doing some research on jasper and sardine stones, and please re-read the scripture in question, or simply explain to me what is your understanding. Keep in mind, I am very aware of your ability to gather information, I read a lot of your posts...Peace In.

...Please Read and Give Any Agreement or Correction.. ...is this for me?


Philologos
Bible Prophecy Research
Title: "...Like a Jasper and Sardine Stone..."
Submitted by: research-bpr@philologos.org
Date: November 28, 1997

...Like a jasper and a sardine stone...'

"And thou shalt set in it [the high-priest's breastplate] settings of stones, even four rows of stones: the first row shall be a sardius, a topaz, and a carbuncle: this shall be the first row. And the second row shall be an emerald, a sapphire, and a diamond. And the third row a ligure, an agate, and an amethyst. And the fourth row a beryl, and an onyx, and a jasper: they shall be set in gold in their enclosings" -- Exodus 28:17-20

"In Exodus 28, we read of these stones in the breastplate of the high priest. The Sardius (the blood-red) stone having to do with Reuben is mentioned first, and the Jasper stone last. Revelation 4 speaks first of the Jasper stone--the clear white stone of Benjamin. This is not to be taken lightly. There is a definite reason for reversing of the stones, putting the first last, and the last first.

"The Sardius was blood-red, speaking of the sacrifice of blood, pointing to the cross and the first coming of Jesus to shed His blood for the remission of sin. The name is derived from two Hebrew words meaning 'behold the Son.' It pointed to the person of whom John the Baptist said, 'Behold the Lamb of God which taketh away the sin of the world' (John 1:29). It also tells us that He (the Lord Jesus) was the first born of every creature, and the first begotten--the ONLY begotten--son of God (John 3:16).

"The Jasper, the last stone in the Old Testament breastplate, represented Benjamin. This was a clear stone, speaking of total victory. On the Jasper stone was Benjamin's name, which is a combination of two Hebrew words (BEN and JAMIN), so scholars tell us, meaning 'the son of my right hand'...or, as one authority puts it, 'the son of my power.' The first and last stones pointed forward to the first and second coming of the great High Priest--none other than the Lord Jesus Christ.

"However, here in Revelation 4, the order of the stones is reversed....."


COMPLETE ESSAY HERE (http://philologos.org/bpr/files/j001.htm)




cherryblossom,

Is this your positon and do you agree with this information? So, before I get into providing this request, if this was intended for me: Please Read and Give Any Agreement or Correction.., where do you stand with this? A meaningful study consists of sharing personal points of view, even and especially when pursuing extra-bilblical, or so-called scholarly information, such as you have gathered.

Again, I have agreed to make myself available for this study on Wednesday's.

Thanks. I'll see ya Wednesday with my Bible in hand, and we'll get back to this.




cherryblossom,

Not so quick, none of what I posted to you has been responded to, for ready reference, please address these concerns:

Is this your positon and do you agree with this information? So, before I get into providing this request, if this was intended for me: Please Read and Give Any Agreement or Correction.., where do you stand with this? A meaningful study consists of sharing personal points of view, even and especially when pursuing extra-bilblical, or so-called scholarly information, such as you have gathered.

Just disregard this thread, Bro. Clyde.


No questions need be addressed.


Peace in, for real.

Just disregard this thread, Bro. Clyde.


No questions need be addressed.


Peace in, for real.




Not a problem cherryblossom, no not at all.

MODIFIED FOR DELETION.




cherryblossom,

As promised, here is my critique of the essay by:

Philologos
Bible Prophecy Research
Title: "...Like a Jasper and Sardine Stone..."
Submitted by: research-bpr@philologos.org
Date: November 28, 1997


Western philologists, in their love for studying and learning written words and texts for a determination of authenticity, have fortunately classified Hebrew as an African/Edenic language and part of the family of languages, yet, in this essay, there is no mention of the significance carried with the breastplate stones being the precious stones of Africa. These precious stones--diamonds, sapphires, jasper, onyx, topaz, etc…remain in abundance on the African continent today.

Moreover, it is strange to read these statements, Revelation 4 speaks first of the Jasper stone--the clear white stone of Benjamin, and this, They looked beyond that and saw the Jasper, the clear white stone representing His power and His rule at His second coming to set up the kingdom, entrenched as they are in symbolism, compared to the simple context within the scripture itself. In my view, it is pure eisegesis over exegesis, which is to say, adding to the text.

We can draw no more from the text than what is written, which is that John was attempting to give the reader some idea of the colors involved within the vision. Rather than the stones changing colors, we have in this essay a mere symbolical inference, which really only distorts the text. For example, if there is a biblical reference, which goes to the clear white stone of Benjamin, I am unaware of it and stand corrected. So, to correlate the twelfth stone, jasper, with the last child of Isaac, Benjamin, is the distortion when in fact, the stone’s appearance never changes from its true color(s). Here is what I imagine the color of jasper in Rev. 4: 3 to be…http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jasper

On the color of the sardine stone: http://www.keyway.ca/htm2003/20030930.htm

When looking at the text, Rev. 4: 3, John says this: And he that sat was to look upon like a jasper and a sardine stone, and this, and there was a rainbow round about the throne, in sight like unto an emerald.

Rightly or wrongly, I can only combine the colors of these two stones together for a perception of what the author conveyed the one sat on the throne looked liked. And this is based upon the phrase, in sight, which allows me to use colors; anything outside of this simple outlook is extreme, in my opinion. On the color of emeralds: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emerald_(color)#Emerald

Thank you, Bro Clyde for your response.

I will digest this at another time and get back with you.

Rev.4

[1] After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, Come up hither, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter.
[2] And immediately I was in the spirit: and, behold, a throne was set in heaven, and one sat on the throne.
[3] And he that sat was to look upon like a jasper and a sardine stone: and there was a rainbow round about the throne, in sight like unto an emerald.
[4] And round about the throne were four and twenty seats: and upon the seats I saw four and twenty elders sitting, clothed in white raiment; and they had on their heads crowns of gold.
[5] And out of the throne proceeded lightnings and thunderings and voices: and there were seven lamps of fire burning before the throne, which are the seven Spirits of God.
[6] And before the throne there was a sea of glass like unto crystal: and in the midst of the throne, and round about the throne, were four beasts full of eyes before and behind.
[7] And the first beast was like a lion, and the second beast like a calf, and the third beast had a face as a man, and the fourth beast was like a flying eagle.
[8] And the four beasts had each of them six wings about him; and they were full of eyes within: and they rest not day and night, saying, Holy, holy, holy, Lord God Almighty, which was, and is, and is to come.
[9] And when those beasts give glory and honour and thanks to him that sat on the throne, who liveth for ever and ever,
[10] The four and twenty elders fall down before him that sat on the throne, and worship him that liveth for ever and ever, and cast their crowns before the throne, saying,
[11] Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created.

*******THE REASON FOR THE SEASON*******
*******THE REASON FOR THE SEASON*******

For at least the past six months, I've been trying to sit down and write about REVELATION 4:3 but just have not been able to get around to it. I've read the previous links on this post. And would like to respond a little.

I've done much research on the stones on 'Aaron's Breastplate', or the prophets description of the stones and of 'the description of the 12-gates and foundation of the New land [heaven] in REVELATIONS and compared this with many other of today's description of stones in reference to Geology and etc. I saw the source offered about 'Jasper' on wikipedia and here is my response:

After 1865, the adversary came up with 'the theory of Evolution' in order to combat the now 'mis-educated' Blacks as a result of hundreds of years of slave yard teachings and continued to 'bar' us from the true facts about history, science, language arts and etc. Most gemstones are also 'mis-defined' so that the actual truth about 'RAW GEMSTONES' cannont be completely understood. JASPER is not all of the colors stated in wikipedia nor is is 'a white stone'. THE WHITE STONE is alread apart of the twelve stones on Aarons Breastplate! I can't remember which one because I don't have my note ready but, the whtie gemstone is referenced and detailed very well.

The Gemstone 'JASPER' is 'A GREEN GEMSTONE' in it raw and abundancy found in the earth and not only in African but other places on the planet earth as well. Just like the 'EMERALD' bow around the throne of God, 'the color green' is not 'a pure color' but, it is a mixture of 'BLUE AND YELLOW'. Therefore, JASPER is a different type of GREEN based upon where it is found in the earth as opposed to EMERALD. More specifically, JASPER is a 'BLUE-GREEN COLOR' for example like a 'TURQUOISE'!!! It is the reason behind the ancient Egyptians depiction of their Osiris! And, it is the obsession behind the 'blue' and 'blue-green' stones found in the Sinai Peninsula and elsewhere in that region of the world and far away in the Southwestern world of North America.

SARDIUS is a stone that has been extracted from a banded 'THE SARDONYX STONE' found in a certain layer of the earth. This stone comes multi-banded because of the type of science behind where it is found naturally in the earth. But yes, 'SARDIUS' is 'RED'.

GREEN is the color of life and the EMERALD gemstone was very understood by ancient Black people and that is why 'green' is the major color of all African flags!!! It means that ancient Black people connected to God the Creator.

The Jasper-and-Sardius stone are mentioned by John-the-Revelator and very well understood by the adversary. That is major reason why the colors of the 'CHRISTMAS THEME' is 'RED-AND-GREEN'!!! It is 'the reason for the season'. There is much more to this story! But here is a start!

*******THE REASON FOR THE SEASON*******
*******THE REASON FOR THE SEASON*******

For at least the past six months, I've been trying to sit down and write about REVELATION 4:3 but just have not been able to get around to it. I've read the previous links on this post. And would like to respond a little.

I've done much research on the stones on 'Aaron's Breastplate', or the prophets description of the stones and of 'the description of the 12-gates and foundation of the New land [heaven] in REVELATIONS and compared this with many other of today's description of stones in reference to Geology and etc. I saw the source offered about 'Jasper' on wikipedia and here is my response:

After 1865, the adversary came up with 'the theory of Evolution' in order to combat the now 'mis-educated' Blacks as a result of hundreds of years of slave yard teachings and continued to 'bar' us from the true facts about history, science, language arts and etc. Most gemstones are also 'mis-defined' so that the actual truth about 'RAW GEMSTONES' cannont be completely understood. JASPER is not all of the colors stated in wikipedia nor is is 'a white stone'. THE WHITE STONE is alread apart of the twelve stones on Aarons Breastplate! I can't remember which one because I don't have my note ready but, the whtie gemstone is referenced and detailed very well.

The Gemstone 'JASPER' is 'A GREEN GEMSTONE' in it raw and abundancy found in the earth and not only in African but other places on the planet earth as well. Just like the 'EMERALD' bow around the throne of God, 'the color green' is not 'a pure color' but, it is a mixture of 'BLUE AND YELLOW'. Therefore, JASPER is a different type of GREEN based upon where it is found in the earth as opposed to EMERALD. More specifically, JASPER is a 'BLUE-GREEN COLOR' for example like a 'TURQUOISE'!!! It is the reason behind the ancient Egyptians depiction of their Osiris! And, it is the obsession behind the 'blue' and 'blue-green' stones found in the Sinai Peninsula and elsewhere in that region of the world and far away in the Southwestern world of North America.

SARDIUS is a stone that has been extracted from a banded 'THE SARDONYX STONE' found in a certain layer of the earth. This stone comes multi-banded because of the type of science behind where it is found naturally in the earth. But yes, 'SARDIUS' is 'RED'.

GREEN is the color of life and the EMERALD gemstone was very understood by ancient Black people and that is why 'green' is the major color of all African flags!!! It means that ancient Black people connected to God the Creator.

The Jasper-and-Sardius stone are mentioned by John-the-Revelator and very well understood by the adversary. That is major reason why the colors of the 'CHRISTMAS THEME' is 'RED-AND-GREEN'!!! It is 'the reason for the season'. There is much more to this story! But here is a start!


:hi: Bro. Chevron!

I am so glad you entered this discussion, the more the merrier! I'm just gonna give some background first...

This thread discussion originated in the "Color Of The Cross" thread, and this particular bible verse was referenced by Bro. Clyde in another thread titled "Jesus' Feet Like Burned Brass."

Now, if you didn't already know, as a Christian and Bible believer and defender, Bro. Clyde staunchly presents/defends that many peoples in the Bible and Jesus was a man of color and not White as the Europeans have misrepresented his portrayal and twisted God's word against people of color, specifically those of African descent. ----He is also a published author on this subject, "Does Color Matter? Only When Misrepresented!: The Bible depicts the Colors of Man and Consequences of false Representation."
----Now, I'm not "plugging" his book cuz I haven't even read it yet, myself. However, I mention it to present his firm stance on the Color Of Jesus.

With that said, IMO, the essay I posted, Bro. Clyde and you ALL appear to agree that the "SARDINE" is RED.

However, yes, "JASPER" can be found in a numbers of colors: RED, BROWN, YELLOW, GREEN, BLUE and, possibly, even WHITE. From what I have read about the stone, its color is dependent upon where it is found because it takes its color from the sediment its in.

But, in conjunction with Rev. 4:3 which refers to "HE WHO SAT UPON THE THRONE," it describes that PERSON as looking like a "Jasper" AND a "Sardine" stone.-----So, since the verse is talking about a PERSON, IMO, the COLOR of those 2 stones would be of hues applicable to a PERSON. ---I don't think "HE WHO SAT UPON THE THRONE" was RED (Sardine) and WHITE (Jasper) neither does RED (Sardine) and GREEN (Jasper) go together when describing a PERSON.

I would think that John is using 2 stones which were SIMILAR in color, NOT two different colors. I don't think that "HE WHO SAT UPON THE THRONE" was striped like a candy-cane (red&white) or looking like a Christmas tree (red&green)

However, as for MAN'S invention of all things "Christmas," perhaps the RED and GREEN connection was connected to the mention of the "EMERALD" rainbow.

Here are the stones listed on Aaron's Breastplate:

EXODUS 28:

[17] And thou shalt set in it settings of stones, even four rows of stones: the first row shall be a sardius, a topaz, and a carbuncle: this shall be the first row.
[18] And the second row shall be an emerald, a sapphire, and a diamond.
[19] And the third row a ligure, an agate, and an amethyst.
[20] And the fourth row a beryl, and an onyx, and a jasper: they shall be set in gold in their inclosings.
[21] And the stones shall be with the names of the children of Israel, twelve, according to their names, like the engravings of a signet; every one with his name shall they be according to the twelve tribes.


Moreover, I do find it interesting that John in Revelation 4:3 mentions the colors of stones: RED(Jasper/Sardine) and GREEN (Emerald)because from our elementary teachings of primary colors, RED and GREEN, mixed together, do make BROWN. ---Just a thought. :thinking:

And I also find interesting your relation of GREEN to African flags and the connection of "blue-green" to Osiris.

But, again, as for Revelation 4:3, I don't think John was describing "HE WHO SAT UPON THE THRONE" as looking like RED AND GREEN. I think he used the examples of SARDINE/SARDIUS (Red) and JASPER (either RED or BROWN) as 2 stones which were similar in color and applicable to skin color.

Also, I appreciate your mention of "the adversary's" Theory Of Evolution.

I think you and Bro Clyde are coming at this matter from two different angles.

From my understanding, YOU are representing "JASPER" as GREEN and connecting that color to Africa.

Bro. Clyde is saying that "JASPER" is more commonly found in RED or BROWN in the interpretation of Revelation 4:3 describing "HE WHO SAT UPON THE THRONE."

So, IMO, in a round-about way, you both are connecting this bible verse to peoples of color, and most certainly not WHITE as the source which I posted stated.

Different ideas are being presented and dissected. Different viewpoints are laid out according to "understanding" and interpretations of the Bible and its connections to other areas. HERE, we should be able to study the Bible without any attacks against it or Christian beliefs. HERE, we should not have combative discourse or any "one-upmanship" behavior. HERE, we should be able to amicably present our different views on the Bible and be open to learning and respectful debate.

I think this is wonderful discussion in here so far. IMO, this is how this sub-forum should be used. :toast:

Also, I appreciate your mention of "the adversary's" Theory Of Evolution.

I think you and Bro Clyde are coming at this matter from two different angles.

From my understanding, YOU are representing "JASPER" as GREEN and connecting that color to Africa.

Bro. Clyde is saying that "JASPER" is more commonly found in RED or BROWN in the interpretation of Revelation 4:3 describing "HE WHO SAT UPON THE THRONE."

So, IMO, in a round-about way, you both are connecting this bible verse to peoples of color, and most certainly not WHITE as the source which I posted stated.

Different ideas are being presented and dissected. Different viewpoints are laid out according to "understanding" and interpretations of the Bible and its connections to other areas. HERE, we should be able to study the Bible without any attacks against it or Christian beliefs. HERE, we should not have combative discourse or any "one-upmanship" behavior. HERE, we should be able to amicably present our different views on the Bible and be open to learning and respectful debate.

I think this is wonderful discussion in here so far. IMO, this is how this sub-forum should be used. :toast:

You've Made My Day Meaningful! Thank you!

I so agree with you and Bro. Clyde! And I can't wait to get a hold of his book!

Yes! When you said Red + Green = Brown . . . Oh My Lord, . . . You Got It! That is just the very point that my research resulted in!

You are so right when you say, that the Creator was not red and green striped!

Honestly, you are the first to get that! I'm so happy.

Just like blue + yellow = green of which I posted, I really did not think that anyone would get it, so, I stopped by saying 'it was just a start'.

You see, the European Americans know this about John-the-Revelator's detailed description of what he saw. In the Delta Region of the Mississippi valley, the Black presence was hit really hard because of their practices with what was incorrectly summed up as 'VOODOO CANDLES'!

In this region, there are heavy remnants of the 'Negro Indian' [Native Black] presence and these indigenous natives knew about REVELATION 4:3.

They would mix red and green candles as a common practice . . . and the American government put a stop to that around the days of Napoleon!

It is very hard to find this easy fact even on the internet. But just as you said, there are only three basic colors in nature, RED, YELLOW AND BLUE. And when RED AND GREEN CANDLES ARE MIXED, a dark chocolate candle is produced! These chocolate candles are very expensive around the 'red and green' holiday [Christmas]!!! ...get it!?

'Shsssh...It's a secret!!!'


I'm going to go back and read your post on Aaron's Breastplate. But, I think one of the gem stones that represent the 'white stone' is something like, Bdellium[?]. I think it was concorded with 'like a coriander seed'. . .

Thank you so much for your welcome.

I went back and re-read your post and saw that one stone that represented 'white' was 'the diamond'.

And then I concorded it with the twelve gates in heaven in the Book of REVELATIONS and saw the color for white/clear was 'pearl' as being one of the foundations.

I remember seeing bdellium in concordance with 'white' and the coriander seed. When I researched the stones, I thought to myself that perhaps all of the colors are represented. I think like Bro. Clyde said, color was mis-represented by mankind but that the Creator embraces all and has chosen to fight for us, of whom have been victimized by color hatred by sending his son of which came through the Black expression.




Gen.2
1. [12] And the gold of that land is good: there is bdellium and the onyx stone.
Num.11
1. [7] And the manna was as coriander seed, and the colour thereof as the colour of bdellium.
Exod.16
1. [31] And the house of Israel called the name thereof Manna: and it was like coriander seed, white; and the taste of it was like wafers made with honey.
[21] And the twelve gates were twelve pearls; every several gate was of one pearl: and the street of the city was pure gold, as it were transparent glass. Rev 21


Thank you! cherry blossom!

P.S. Oh, I'm a mother of two beautiful sons! :toast:

Thank you! cherry blossom!

P.S. Oh, I'm a mother of two beautiful sons! :toast:


Well, you are so very welcomed! And Ooops! My bad, Sister Chevron!

*color me embarrassed!* lol

Chevron, are you saying that you now agree that John the Revelator's "JASPER" was of a RED or BROWN color and not GREEN?

You've Made My Day Meaningful! Thank you!

I so agree with you and Bro. Clyde! And I can't wait to get a hold of his book!

Yes! When you said Red + Green = Brown . . . Oh My Lord, . . . You Got It! That is just the very point that my research resulted in!

You are so right when you say, that the Creator was not red and green striped!

Honestly, you are the first to get that! I'm so happy.

Just like blue + yellow = green of which I posted, I really did not think that anyone would get it, so, I stopped by saying 'it was just a start'.

You see, the European Americans know this about John-the-Revelator's detailed description of what he saw. In the Delta Region of the Mississippi valley, the Black presence was hit really hard because of their practices with what was incorrectly summed up as 'VOODOO CANDLES'!

In this region, there are heavy remnants of the 'Negro Indian' [Native Black] presence and these indigenous natives knew about REVELATION 4:3.

They would mix red and green candles as a common practice . . . and the American government put a stop to that around the days of Napoleon!

It is very hard to find this easy fact even on the internet. But just as you said, there are only three basic colors in nature, RED, YELLOW AND BLUE. And when RED AND GREEN CANDLES ARE MIXED, a dark chocolate candle is produced! These chocolate candles are very expensive around the 'red and green' holiday [Christmas]!!! ...get it!?

'Shsssh...It's a secret!!!'


I'm going to go back and read your post on Aaron's Breastplate. But, I think one of the gem stones that represent the 'white stone' is something like, Bdellium[?]. I think it was concorded with 'like a coriander seed'. . .

Thank you so much for your welcome.

Please give me some clarification, though, on why you said Jasper was Green in color?

I read your connection w/the flags of Africa. But, I didn't get why you associated the color green w/"He who sat upon the throne."

Please give me some clarification, though, on why you said Jasper was Green in color?

I read your connection w/the flags of Africa. But, I didn't get why you associated the color green w/"He who sat upon the throne."


Yes. Thank you.

In regards to what John-the-Revelator said concerning the bough around the throne of the Creator being 'EMERALD' and then the actual color of the Creator being 'SARDIUS AND JASPER';

I realized that I left some information out about my research.

Based upon my research about the three basic colors RED, YELLOW and BLUE;

Most of the actual colors of blue are scientifically defined as not being 'a total blue'. Most 'blue hues' are actually shades of 'BLUE-GREEN'. The color green is not pure and is actually varying shades of 'BLUE-YELLOW'. Therefore the basic definition of any GREEN color is a varying between the colors 'Blue and yellow'.

The two colors that John-the-Revelator referred to are 'EMERALD AND JASPER'. Emerald is a darker green. But the color Jasper is a TURQUOISE like or, an obvious blue-green color sometimes referred to in ancient days as [CYAN].

In confirmation and based upon all of the colors in Aarons breastplate and the 12-gates describe by John-the-Revelator, TURQUOISE or [blue-green] is the only color 'left out'! Every major stone is describe in detail of which led me to the conclusion that JASPER is the blue-green stone and one of the very foundational stones in the REVELATIONS. The ancient people became obsessed over this blue-green stone. And the COPPER AGE and BRONZE AGE revealed to them that THE COLOR BROWN CAME FROM A BLUISH-GREEN SUBSTANCE! It was known as MALACHITE [Malachite blue or green].

In description of the Creator, SARDIUS AND JASPER [red-and-green] means that he was seen by John as being 'CHOCOLATE' [Bronze] with an EMERALD bough around his throne.

In my opinion, I think He is 'the God of many colors' meaning that, He is an absorbtion of many colors of which makes him 'dark'! He has a 'moody' expression much the same as we as humans change in the tone of our base complexion. When some people get upset, they can turn 'red' in complexion. When in the California sun where I used to live, I know I can go from a brown complexion to almost black! After three years of living on the east coast one day in the winter , I went to department store to get my usual shade of foundation and was shocked to see that my skin complexion dramatically changed from bronze to a lesser shade of brown.

I hope I've explain alittle better. I can offer more research later because I have much more!


Blessed are the pure in heart: for they shall see God [ST MATTHEW 5:8].


peace.

I was interested in this post and would like to add my opinion.

In terms of the appearance of he who sat on the throne, I believe this is a direct reference to his melanin rich complexion, as Sardonyx is a combination of carnelian and black, and Jasper while it does come in many colors, it makes sense that the Jasper would compliment or be similar to the Sardonyx.

http://crystal-cure.com/pics/sardonyx2.jpg

In terms of the breastplate of the High Priest, it seems to be a matrix of some sort looking like this:

First Row - Sardonyx, Topaz, Carbuncle (Garnet)

Sardonyx - stone of virtue, sign of Aries, number 3

Topaz - stone of true love and success in all endeavors, sign of Sagittarius, number 6

GArnet - "stone of health" - signs of Leo, Virgo, Capricorn & Aquarius, number 2

Second Row - Emerald, Sapphire & Diamond

Emerald - "stone of successful love", this stone combines intelligence of the wearer with discernment allowing for the choice of "right action to be the only choice available", signs of Taurus, Gemini and Aries, number 4

Sapphire - "stone of prosperity", signs of Virgo, Libra and Sagitarrius, number 1

Diamond - "stone of invulenrability, and stone of the Sun, signs of Aries, Leo & Taurus, master number 33

Third Row - Ligure, Agate, Amethyst.

Ligure (Jade) - "dream stone, stone of fidelity" signs of Aries, Gemini, Taurus & libra, master number 11

Agate - depends on the variety, but it generally sharpens analystical abilities and precision, sign Gemini, number 7

Amethyst - "stone of spirituality and contentment", also a "stone of sobriety", signs of Pices, Virgo, Aquarius, & Capricorn, number 3

Fourth Row - Beryl (Golden), Onyx and Jasper

Golden Beryl - provides insights to ceremonial magic, represents purity, all signs are relative, number 1

Onyx - centering and alignment with higher powers, helps to absorb from the universe those energies that are needed, sign of Leo, number 6

Jasper - stone of supreme nurturer, provides protection, number 6


3, 6, 2
4, 1 33
11, 7, 3
1, 6, 6,

Hope that's not too far off the path for this thread.... the vibrational matrices of gemstones have always been of interest to me, and many are mentioned in scripture.

Also, it does not surprise me that amaranth is mentioned as well, it contains high levels of protein, can be grown with minimal water, and has more calcium than milk. High in vitamin C, amino acid l-lysine, this is a vitamin packed survival food.

I was interested in this post and would like to add my opinion.

In terms of the appearance of he who sat on the throne, I believe this is a direct reference to his melanin rich complexion, as Sardonyx is a combination of carnelian and black, and Jasper while it does come in many colors, it makes sense that the Jasper would compliment or be similar to the Sardonyx.

http://crystal-cure.com/pics/sardonyx2.jpg

In terms of the breastplate of the High Priest, it seems to be a matrix of some sort looking like this:

First Row - Sardonyx, Topaz, Carbuncle (Garnet)

Sardonyx - stone of virtue, sign of Aries, number 3

Topaz - stone of true love and success in all endeavors, sign of Sagittarius, number 6

GArnet - "stone of health" - signs of Leo, Virgo, Capricorn & Aquarius, number 2

Second Row - Emerald, Sapphire & Diamond

Emerald - "stone of successful love", this stone combines intelligence of the wearer with discernment allowing for the choice of "right action to be the only choice available", signs of Taurus, Gemini and Aries, number 4

Sapphire - "stone of prosperity", signs of Virgo, Libra and Sagitarrius, number 1

Diamond - "stone of invulenrability, and stone of the Sun, signs of Aries, Leo & Taurus, master number 33

Third Row - Ligure, Agate, Amethyst.

Ligure (Jade) - "dream stone, stone of fidelity" signs of Aries, Gemini, Taurus & libra, master number 11

Agate - depends on the variety, but it generally sharpens analystical abilities and precision, sign Gemini, number 7

Amethyst - "stone of spirituality and contentment", also a "stone of sobriety", signs of Pices, Virgo, Aquarius, & Capricorn, number 3

Fourth Row - Beryl (Golden), Onyx and Jasper

Golden Beryl - provides insights to ceremonial magic, represents purity, all signs are relative, number 1

Onyx - centering and alignment with higher powers, helps to absorb from the universe those energies that are needed, sign of Leo, number 6

Jasper - stone of supreme nurturer, provides protection, number 6

3, 6, 2
4, 1 33
11, 7, 3
1, 6, 6,

Hope that's not too far off the path for this thread.... the vibrational matrices of gemstones have always been of interest to me, and many are mentioned in scripture.

Also, it does not surprise me that amaranth is mentioned as well, it contains high levels of protein, can be grown with minimal water, and has more calcium than milk. High in vitamin C, amino acid l-lysine, this is a vitamin packed survival food.


Thank you for sharing this, Phnx!

As I read your breakdown of the stones, I was reminded of the "Fruits Of The Spirit" in Galatians 5:
[22] But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
[23] Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.

As well as the "Gifts Of The Spirit">>

A. The Gifts in Romans 12, 1 Corinthians 12, and Ephesians 4

1. Prophecy (Rom. 12:6; 1 Cor. 12:10, 28-29; 14:1-40; Eph. 4:11)--The ability to receive and proclaim a message from God. This could involve the foretelling of future events, though its primary purpose as seen in 1 Corinthians 14:3 is forthtelling: one who prophesies speaks to people for their strengthening, encouragement, and consolation. This gift provides a word from God to a specific group, not the normative Word of God to all believers. Some maintain that prophecy is still operative in this sense today, while others say that the nearest current equivalent is Spirit-empowered preaching.

2. Service (Rom. 12:7)--The ability to identify and care for the physical needs of the body through a variety of means. The Greek word for this gift is the same as that for ministry or deacon, but the gift should not be confused with the office.

3. Teaching (Rom. 12:7; 1 Cor. 12:28-29; Eph. 4:11)--The ability to clearly explain and effectively apply the truths of God's Word so that others will learn. This requires the capacity to accurately interpret Scripture, engage in necessary research, and organize the results in a way that is easily communicated.

4. Exhortation (Rom. 12:8)--The ability to motivate others to respond to the truth by providing timely words of counsel, encouragement, and consolation. When this gift is exercised, believers are challenged to stimulate their faith by putting God's truth to the test in their lives.

5. Giving (Rom. 12:8)--The ability to contribute material resources with generosity and cheerfulness for the benefit of others and the glory of God. Christians with this spiritual gift need not be wealthy.

6. Leadership (Rom. 12:8)--The ability to discern God's purpose for a group, set and communicate appropriate goals, and motivate others to work together to fulfill them in the service of God. A person with this gift is effective at delegating tasks to followers without manipulation or coercion.

7. Mercy (Rom. 12:8)--The ability to deeply empathize and engage in compassionate acts on behalf of people who are suffering physical, mental, or emotional distress. Those with this gift manifest concern and kindness to people who are often overlooked.

8. Wisdom (1 Cor. 12:8)--The ability to apply the principles of the Word of God in a practical way to specific situations and to recommend the best course of action at the best time. The exercise of this gift skillfully distills insight and discernment into excellent advice.

9. Knowledge (1 Cor. 12:8)--The ability to discover, analyze, and systematize truth for the benefit of others. With this gift, one speaks with understanding and penetration. Some also associate supernatural perception with this gift.

10. Faith (1 Cor. 12:9)--The ability to have a vision for what God wants to be done and to confidently believe that it will be accomplished in spite of circumstances and appearances to the contrary. The gift of faith transforms vision into reality.

11. Healing (1 Cor. 12:9, 28, 30)--The ability to serve as a human instrument through whom God supernaturally cures illnesses and restores health. The possessor of this gift is not the source of power, but a vessel who can only heal those diseases the Lord chooses to heal. Inner healing, or healing of memories is sometimes associated as another manifestation of this gift.

12. Miracles (1 Cor. 12:10, 28, 29)--The ability to serve as an instrument through whom God accomplishes acts that manifest supernatural power. Miracles bear witness to the presence of God and the truth of His proclaimed Word, and appear to occur most frequently in association with missionary activity.

13. Distinguishing of spirits (1 Cor. 12:10)--The ability to clearly discern the spirit of truth and the spirit of error (cf. 1 John 4:6). With this gift, one can distinguish reality versus counterfeits, the divine versus the demonic, true versus false teaching, and in some cases, spiritual versus carnal motives.

14. Tongues (1 Cor. 12:10, 28, 30; 14:1-40)--The ability to receive and impart a spiritual message in a language the recipient never learned. For other members of the body to be edified, this message must be interpreted either by the recipient (1 Cor. 14:13) or by another person with the gift of interpretation (1 Cor. 14:26-28).
http://bible.org/article/gifts-spirit

I was interested in this post and would like to add my opinion.

In terms of the appearance of he who sat on the throne, I believe this is a direct reference to his melanin rich complexion, as Sardonyx is a combination of carnelian and black, and Jasper while it does come in many colors, it makes sense that the Jasper would compliment or be similar to the Sardonyx.

http://crystal-cure.com/pics/sardonyx2.jpg

In terms of the breastplate of the High Priest, it seems to be a matrix of some sort looking like this:

First Row - Sardonyx, Topaz, Carbuncle (Garnet)

Sardonyx - stone of virtue, sign of Aries, number 3

Topaz - stone of true love and success in all endeavors, sign of Sagittarius, number 6

GArnet - "stone of health" - signs of Leo, Virgo, Capricorn & Aquarius, number 2

Second Row - Emerald, Sapphire & Diamond

Emerald - "stone of successful love", this stone combines intelligence of the wearer with discernment allowing for the choice of "right action to be the only choice available", signs of Taurus, Gemini and Aries, number 4

Sapphire - "stone of prosperity", signs of Virgo, Libra and Sagitarrius, number 1

Diamond - "stone of invulenrability, and stone of the Sun, signs of Aries, Leo & Taurus, master number 33

Third Row - Ligure, Agate, Amethyst.

Ligure (Jade) - "dream stone, stone of fidelity" signs of Aries, Gemini, Taurus & libra, master number 11

Agate - depends on the variety, but it generally sharpens analystical abilities and precision, sign Gemini, number 7

Amethyst - "stone of spirituality and contentment", also a "stone of sobriety", signs of Pices, Virgo, Aquarius, & Capricorn, number 3

Fourth Row - Beryl (Golden), Onyx and Jasper

Golden Beryl - provides insights to ceremonial magic, represents purity, all signs are relative, number 1

Onyx - centering and alignment with higher powers, helps to absorb from the universe those energies that are needed, sign of Leo, number 6

Jasper - stone of supreme nurturer, provides protection, number 6


3, 6, 2
4, 1 33
11, 7, 3
1, 6, 6,

Hope that's not too far off the path for this thread.... the vibrational matrices of gemstones have always been of interest to me, and many are mentioned in scripture.

Also, it does not surprise me that amaranth is mentioned as well, it contains high levels of protein, can be grown with minimal water, and has more calcium than milk. High in vitamin C, amino acid l-lysine, this is a vitamin packed survival food.



This is great!

I also do agree about the sardonyx!

I kind of reminds me of the early Minoan civilization on Crete. Their dominant color theme was BLACK AND RED. Their huge columns were painted red and at the top [capital] and bottom [base] it was black. And this was before they were overtaken by the Myecaneans.

Thanks!