A Time, and Times and a half of Time = 2500 years [DANIEL 7:25 & DANIEL 12:6-7]


488 B.C. + 1000 = A.D. 512
A.D. 512 + 1000 = A.D. 1512
A.D. 1512 + 500 = *************A.D. 2012

2009 + 4 Years = 2012

*************And What was going on in the year 488 B.C.?***************


In 488 B.C. according to the Bible timeline, it was the 1st year of the rule of king Belshazzar in present day Iraq [Babylon]. Belshazzar was so evil that many people (including many Israelites of the Diaspora) fled the Mediterranean world and eventually some came all the way over to ‘the New World’ to become apart of the Black Native experiences [a time, and times and a half of time; REVELATIONS 12:14]. According to modern day scholars and the Bible [kjv], the Greeks were in conflict with the Persians and a couple of years earlier in 490 B.C., the Battle of Marathon had occurred. Xerxes I (the Biblical Artaxerxes I/Ahaseurus) headed up that conflict as well as the later one. Daniel wrote that Jesus [the Ancient of Days] said that he would return ‘at the end of the world’ to pass world judgment. Jesus later lifted up his hands and swore by God, the Creator, that he would come back to judge the world. During the rule of the Chaldeans [Blacks] of Babylon, they were having trouble with the Persians. Belshazzar was later slain by the Medo-Persians. In 475 B.C., the same year that Belshazzar was slain, Cyrus-the-great, the ruler of the Persian system in Babylon made a written decree and many Jews were allowed to journey back to Jerusalem ending a 70 year period of captivity. However, Daniel was not permitted to return. He stayed under Persian rule. Xerxes I, the king of kings, put a stop to Cyrus’ decree that next year and the construction of the temple of God was also halted. After Xerxes later married Queen Esther and his son, Darius, took over rule in Babylon at the age of 62, the temple of God was eventually completed. Xerxes heeded and also sent gifts to the dedication of the temple of God. Like the Book of Daniel also detailed, the Persian Empire was overthrown byway of the Greeks under Alexander-the-great. This occurred in 332 B.C. Alexander did not have any heirs to continue a dynasty just as it was prophesized and after he died, the Greek system split up into four systems. The four-system Greek Empire would remain dominant until the rise of the Roman Empire. The Roman Empire was marked by the advent of the new moving star, the Star of Bethlehem [the Sapphire Star].

The unit ‘time’ means 1000 year increments. This is also confirmed in the very name of Daniel. For the name Daniel means ‘a summation or judgment in 1000 year increments’. King David’s son named Daniel [Chileab] from his wife Abigail was born in the year 1000 B.C.


(1) [1 Time] --* 488 BC + 1000 years = A.D. 512
***************What was going on in the year A.D. 512? *************

It was a thousand years after Daniel wrote about that prophesy and the Roman Empire had come and gone! Even more amazing, Jesus Christ had also come in the flesh, ended the Daily Sacrifice to the Jewish temple and left the earth! After Jesus was sacrifice, there was no need to sacrifice lambs every year at PASSOVER or any other sacrifices. Jesus was the spotless lamb. The Roman Empire had the temple of the Jews destroyed and in its place, they eventually built up the temple of Jupiter [Capitoline]. They also built up a temple for Afrodite in that area. The Jews revolted against the Roman system and they lost their struggle in the A.D. 100s. The Romans drove all the Jews out and changed the name of Judaea to become known as Palestine. From then on the Jews were outlawed from even entering in Jerusalem. The days, weeks, months and years of making sacrifices to the temple in Jerusalem became obsolete. Hundreds of years later in A.D. 433, the Huns overthrew the Roman system and by A.D. 476, the Coliseum stopped having exhibitions. By the AD 500s, the Roman Empire split into two systems but, they were no more an empire system.

(2) [Another Time] -- *AD 512 + 1000 years = AD 1512
****************What was going on in the year AD 1512? *************

It was now two thousand years after Daniel wrote about that prophesy and Christopher Columbus had already set sail for the New World in AD 1492. The Spanish system was organized and obsessed over having trade power in the Americas. By 1512, Europeans had already committed inhuman abominations against the aboriginal natives in the Americas. De Soto and Cortez became infamous. But, they were initially held in high esteem by the straight hairs because they thought of them as gods of whom had come to kill off their enemies. The pictures presented in our history books are mostly of straight haired, brown and lighter skinned natives but, the real victims were millions of ‘Black Indians’. In Europe and the Old World, a major propaganda went out against ‘the Infidels’ which were Black people and eventually the negative slogan did just what happened back in the days of the Crusades. It launched a Genocide against black people but this time it was even worse than in the Crusades. The term ‘Infidel’ was a name that was suggested to be against ‘the non-Christians’ but in fact, it was aimed at Black people and not other kinds of people of whom were also ‘non-Christians’. After about a hundred years of Black Genocide attempt, slavery evolved to become a norm. In AD 1776, the English who gained dominance in North America and world trade, Separated from Christianity [the Church] and began ‘the Vote system’, the same system in the Roman Empire whereby a leader could be chosen by ‘a petition’ [election] and did not have to be chosen out of inherited land rights nor blessed by the Holy Spirit! Chattel slavery continued on for another 90 years or so in America. In AD 1865, the Emancipation Proclamation was issued and chattel slavery was outlawed in the books . . . and the prisons have been filling up ever since!!! *****Handcuffs--Handcuffs--Handcuffs****What are the differences between a chained slave and a shackled prisoner?

(3) [A half of ‘a time’] -- *AD 1512 + 500 years = AD 2012
****************What was going on in the year AD 2012!? **************

We do not know yet! This prophecy is still not full! The Bible will have to confirm itself!

This prophecy is based upon the correct measurement of time. Based upon the advent of the Star of Bethlehem [the planet Saturn], the Roman Empire and other important events have been marked. Rome was written to have organized in the 800s B.C. then, it became a Roman Republic in 509 B.C. and then finally a Roman Empire system marked by the Star of Bethlehem, the birth of Jesus Christ and Caesar Augustus [Octavian], the first Roman emperor. Guess What!? This great star has returned! And because of this return of the SAPPHIRE STAR in AD 2002, April 17 and in the same planetary line up as it did 2000 years ago, the errors of our present day dating system has been corrected. The actual birth of Jesus on, April 17, has been confirmed and marked to accuracy and the end of the world prophecy written down by Daniel so long ago can become accurate. Other than A.D. April 17 2002, the last time the planets all lined up in a straight line with the sun was exactly 2000 years ago on April 16 at 6:00 P.M. [April 17; Israel time]. So when the Shepherds looked straight up over head at 6:00 P.M. while Mari gave birth to Jesus, they saw a small white ball move into orbit and then it seemingly stopped right over the barn [manger]. The planetariums that feature ‘THE STAR OF BETHLEHEM’ show every year describe this amazing phenomena as it did occur from the viewpoint of the earth. They do state that this phenomena did occur on April 17. From the earth’s perspective, Saturn moved so fast that it made the planet Jupiter seem like it was moving in reverse. When Saturn seemed to stop moving, there were three balls in a cluster behind an ‘almost full moon’, Mars, Jupiter and the new moving star Saturn. In actuality, all of the planets are very far away from each other but, they were in a straight line up with the sun (including the planet earth). Venus and Mercury were on the other side of the sun. So ultimately, the planet Saturn came into orbit and took its place with this alignment and some of the planets more or less fell into and out of this alignment off and on for a period of 30 years or so afterwards. The same will happen this day. Like Jesus said about ‘the Sign of the Son of man’ [ST MATTHEW 24:30], the star will return again at the pinnacle of yet another great prophecy. At the Crucifixion, the star returned when Jesus was 33 1/2 years old and was over his head in GOLGOTHA at the time of a total solar eclipse! Jesus was about 30 years old when he started his mission and the planet Saturn takes about 30 years to circle the sun [ST LUKE 3:23]. The prophetical destruction of the great city and the Battle of Armageddon has a time gap based upon the movement of the Sign of the Son of man to occur in relation to its circuit around its solar rotation as it lines up behind the earth and yet another total solar eclipse (with the black moon). Its hexagonal pole is gradually turning and aligning up to face the planet earth.

Because of today’s return of this planetary alignment after 2000 years, our date system being off by 2 years has been confirmed. Also, the prophecy of Daniel is based upon this great STAR OF BETHLEHEM in relation to the rule of Belshazzar and the Creation of Adam and etc. If this prophecy of Daniel’s is truth then, it should be proven by the end of 2012. That is about four years from now. No one knows the day or hour as Jesus did say but, Jesus himself put us to the very year. He swore. Will the time of Tribulation come? . . . Watch and Pray. . . Shout it out on the housetops!


488 B.C. – Afterwards; The Battle of Thermopylae [480 BC]
"http://ancienthistory.about.com/cs/weaponswar/p/blpwtherm.htm"
511 – Clovis I died, leaving Frankish kingdom to Orleans to
Chlodomer, …Meroviginan Dynasty
"http://www.packrat-pro.com/timeline/500AD.htm"
"http://www.historycentral.com/dates/500ad.html"
1512 -- ...rights and obligations for Spanish encomenderos…
-In Rome, Michaelangelo …completes the ceiling of the Sistine Chapel
"http://www.scholiast.org/history/timetables/1500s.html"
AD 2002-- April 17, planetary alignment
http://www.wisdomportal.com/PlanetaryAlignment.html

. . . How long shall it be to the end of these wonders? . . .he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, and sware by him that liveth for ever that it shall be for a time, times, and an half; . . . [DANIEL 12:6-7].
"http://quod.lib.umich.edu/cgi/k/kjv/kjv-idx?type=citation&book=Daniel&chapno=12&startverse=6&endverse=7"

And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time[DANIEL 7:25].
"http://quod.lib.umich.edu/cgi/k/kjv/kjv-idx?type=citation&book=Daniel&chapno=7&startverse=25&endverse" =

impressive mathematics in this theory by first establishing the year 488 bc....
but it's hard for me to conclude any prophecies from the bible since it is an incomplete parchment in it's current state....

this was interesting none the less...and i agree something is going to pop off in 2012....

one love
khasm

I thought the death of Jesus changed the calender, something about it being off 4 years so technically 2012 is 2008. I keep reading this everywhere....

this is very interesting... however

remember the y2k....

when one fear doesn't hold true here comes the next one

perhaps end in this instance means beginning....

perhaps death to lies and birth of truth and spiritual awakening....

maybe no one knows the time or the hour because time doesn't truly exist...

if the totality of us is past present and future then we couldn't exist here without the security of a future

thank you for the astronomy tho.. that is well received .....

If the bible were reliable then this would still be a stretch. But, since the bible is NOT reliable then we can only go by the other 2012 prophecies as the reason for this date.

impressive mathematics in this theory by first establishing the year 488 bc....
but it's hard for me to conclude any prophecies from the bible since it is an incomplete parchment in it's current state....

this was interesting none the less...and i agree something is going to pop off in 2012....

one love
khasm


Thank you.

My approach in regards to the Bible is that I use it as a cross reference to other written works. I think that past interpretations have clouded a lot of the intents of the past authors.

I thought the death of Jesus changed the calender, something about it being off 4 years so technically 2012 is 2008. I keep reading this everywhere....

I read that too, in the Almanac. But based upon the planetary alignment of 2002, April 16/17 it basically refutes that.

I saw this wonder myself but at the time, I did not 'put it all together. I just happen to pass by my tv and heard it on the 6:00 news and the next morning around 5:00, I went out and saw the 3 planets behind the moon in my state. It was at an angle.

If the bible were reliable then this would still be a stretch. But, since the bible is NOT reliable then we can only go by the other 2012 prophecies as the reason for this date.

What other reliable sources?

we have to research the words and prove or disprove; that what Jesus said. he knew the Bible was going to be blasphemed.

What other reliable sources?

we have to research the words and prove or disprove; that what Jesus said. he knew the Bible was going to be blasphemed.

The 2012 prophecy came from the Mayan calender. It is the most accurate calender ever created. This is where the 2012 prophecy came from INDEPENDENT OF THE BIBLE...AND BEFORE the canonization of the bible.

Many people are discussing 2012 as the end of the world due to interpretations of predictions contained in the Mayan calendar. The Mayan civilization was extremely advanced in mathematics, engineering and astronomy. They also had an incredible understanding of time and space. Various calendars were in use to track time in linear progressions within cycles. The “Great Cycle” of the “Long Count” calendar equates to 5,125.36 years. The current Great Cycle is due to be completed on the winter solstice of 2012, December 21. So, it has been interpreted that on this day, the Great Cycle ends, time ends, so the Earth must end as well.

The 2012 prophecy came from the Mayan calender. It is the most accurate calender ever created. This is where the 2012 prophecy came from INDEPENDENT OF THE BIBLE...AND BEFORE the canonization of the bible.

Many people are discussing 2012 as the end of the world due to interpretations of predictions contained in the Mayan calendar. The Mayan civilization was extremely advanced in mathematics, engineering and astronomy. They also had an incredible understanding of time and space. Various calendars were in use to track time in linear progressions within cycles. The “Great Cycle” of the “Long Count” calendar equates to 5,125.36 years. The current Great Cycle is due to be completed on the winter solstice of 2012, December 21. So, it has been interpreted that on this day, the Great Cycle ends, time ends, so the Earth must end as well.


Mayan Origins . . . "y"; a replacement letter . . .

I have done a lot of research on 'The Maya' . . . 'Maga' . . . 'Magog'! . . .

Most historians place the Maya [Maga] in the 1500's B.C. and here is the problem: They came and took over a much more ancient civilization of which had already mastered script and the calendar!!!

White peoples' mis-education to the slaves and descendants of slaves!!!

Long before the Mayas took dominance in the Americas, it was the descendants of Cush Ham and Phut Ham of whom came to the Americas and dominated. The Zuni-Pueblo native people came and brought script and civilization long before the Mayas!

Although all are aboriginal people, the Zuni-Pueblo people had a brotherhood bond and they were first! The Mayas are not the first masters of script nor the Calendar. However, they were serious 'Star worshipers' and based much of their lives around 'predictions' based upon the calendar and etc. still, they came in on top of the more acient natives and later dominated them.

The Zuni, Incas [Inkidus], Zona [Pison; Amazona], Dorians [Hundoras . . .] and so many more are connected to Cush Ham [Chaldeans] from the early civilization of Iraq and these men mastered the script and the Calendar long before the 1500s B.C. when the Mayas are written to have been associated with science and measurement.

In addition to this, even longer before Cush Ham [the Chaldeans] of the Copper Age and the Bronze Age, there was Imhotep and the Egyptian civilizations that preceded the Mayans more than a thousand years. Back in the 2700s B.C., the Calendar and predictions about 2012 was basically already figured out. Prophecy includes the movement of stars and the earth's relation to the universe. Many ancient priest in addition to the priest of Israelites such as Moses knew that the planet Saturn was coming and etc.

So, yes Daniel wrote down the prophecy of 2012 but, the actual Mayans that wrote about 2012 also came after Daniel's prophecy as well. They became known as 'THE CLASSICAL MAYANS' and formed around the A.D. 300s.

It was THE CLASSICAL MAYANS that came after Javanites and 'the Copan Mayans' and etc. of which came around 700s B.C. and then another movement occurred in the 300s B.C. that wrote about the end of the world predictions. From 300 BC to AD 300 is about 600 years. This was more than 600 years after Daniel wrote it down!!!

Many Blacks fled the Meditteranean world around the time of Daniel due to the major conflicts that occurred in that region of the world. Also, many of the so-called Mayans in the Americas were not all Mayans.

this is very interesting... however

remember the y2k....

when one fear doesn't hold true here comes the next one

perhaps end in this instance means beginning....

perhaps death to lies and birth of truth and spiritual awakening....

maybe no one knows the time or the hour because time doesn't truly exist...

if the totality of us is past present and future then we couldn't exist here without the security of a future

thank you for the astronomy tho.. that is well received .....

I'm happy that you like my input on astronomy! Thank you!

But, I don't know if I understand what you are saying completely in reference to 'time doesn't truly exist', I'm questioning your meaning.

Time can be measured and measurable from point to point on an infinite line. In that sense, 'Time' does exist.

I'm happy that you like my input on astronomy! Thank you!

But, I don't know if I understand what you are saying completely in reference to 'time doesn't truly exist', I'm questioning your meaning.

Time can be measured and measurable from point to point on an infinite line. In that sense, 'Time' does exist.

Your welcome!

With regard to time...

space-time one definition is the system of one temporal and three spacial coordinates by which any physical object or event can be located...

time is linear... for example ur born on such and such a day.. and linear time concludes that u start on ur birth day and u move forward in a straight line...

so in that sense on this demension.. or on this third density... we measure using linear time...

conceptually... space-time... is not linear... it operates under the notion that perhaps we are here because we were there...

same as the planets will align again into a position that they where in, in the past...

we too will return....

being the ones phrophesied to return based on astronomy....

space-time is not linear... it moves in cycles... therefore our totality is based on past, present and future.... together, and not linear time which begins according to the day u were born and moves only forward from there...

in other words... there is nothin new under the sun...

Mayan Origins . . . "y"; a replacement letter . . .

I have done a lot of research on 'The Maya' . . . 'Maga' . . . 'Magog'! . . .

Most historians place the Maya [Maga] in the 1500's B.C. and here is the problem: They came and took over a much more ancient civilization of which had already mastered script and the calendar!!!

White peoples' mis-education to the slaves and descendants of slaves!!!

Long before the Mayas took dominance in the Americas, it was the descendants of Cush Ham and Phut Ham of whom came to the Americas and dominated. The Zuni-Pueblo native people came and brought script and civilization long before the Mayas!

Although all are aboriginal people, the Zuni-Pueblo people had a brotherhood bond and they were first! The Mayas are not the first masters of script nor the Calendar. However, they were serious 'Star worshipers' and based much of their lives around 'predictions' based upon the calendar and etc. still, they came in on top of the more acient natives and later dominated them.

The Zuni, Incas [Inkidus], Zona [Pison; Amazona], Dorians [Hundoras . . .] and so many more are connected to Cush Ham [Chaldeans] from the early civilization of Iraq and these men mastered the script and the Calendar long before the 1500s B.C. when the Mayas are written to have been associated with science and measurement.

In addition to this, even longer before Cush Ham [the Chaldeans] of the Copper Age and the Bronze Age, there was Imhotep and the Egyptian civilizations that preceded the Mayans more than a thousand years. Back in the 2700s B.C., the Calendar and predictions about 2012 was basically already figured out. Prophecy includes the movement of stars and the earth's relation to the universe. Many ancient priest in addition to the priest of Israelites such as Moses knew that the planet Saturn was coming and etc.

So, yes Daniel wrote down the prophecy of 2012 but, the actual Mayans that wrote about 2012 also came after Daniel's prophecy as well. They became known as 'THE CLASSICAL MAYANS' and formed around the A.D. 300s.

It was THE CLASSICAL MAYANS that came after Javanites and 'the Copan Mayans' and etc. of which came around 700s B.C. and then another movement occurred in the 300s B.C. that wrote about the end of the world predictions. From 300 BC to AD 300 is about 600 years. This was more than 600 years after Daniel wrote it down!!!

Many Blacks fled the Meditteranean world around the time of Daniel due to the major conflicts that occurred in that region of the world. Also, many of the so-called Mayans in the Americas were not all Mayans.

The traditionalist view holds that the work was written by a prophet named Daniel who lived during the sixth century BC, whereas many Biblical scholars maintain that the book was written or redacted in the mid-second century BC and that most of the predictions of the book refer to events that had already occurred. A third viewpoint places the final editorial work in the fourth century BC.

You left out the Preclassic period the start around 2000 B.C. and went to 250B.C. In this time astronomy, mathmatics, and the CALENDAR were a major part of the society. The Mayan prophecy is older than 400 BC ...IF IT, IN FACT, WAS A PROPHECY OF DANEILS it still was unrelated ...because we can be SURE that Mayans did not READ ARAMAIC OR HEBREW to find some prophecies to copy...lol.

Peace and Love

The traditionalist view holds that the work was written by a prophet named Daniel who lived during the sixth century BC, whereas many Biblical scholars maintain that the book was written or redacted in the mid-second century BC and that most of the predictions of the book refer to events that had already occurred. A third viewpoint places the final editorial work in the fourth century BC.

You left out the Preclassic period the start around 2000 B.C. and went to 250B.C. In this time astronomy, mathmatics, and the CALENDAR were a major part of the society. The Mayan prophecy is older than 400 BC ...IF IT, IN FACT, WAS A PROPHECY OF DANEILS it still was unrelated ...because we can be SURE that Mayans did not READ ARAMAIC OR HEBREW to find some prophecies to copy...lol.

Peace and Love


You are wrong about the Mayans NOT READING ARAMAIC OR HEBREW!

To start the Biblical Baalim, was Aramaic and, he was also 'a Baal priest' hence his name. In addition, the very word 'BAAL' is prevalent in MAYAN SCRIPT! the Mayans are directly from that region of the world!

The word 'Baal' includes the definition of 'Star worshiper' and 'head worship' and the Mayans were both 'sky watchers' [star worshipers] and 'head hunters'. More importantly, the Israelited contended with the Mayans continually and were judged many times based upon their going against their own system in order to worship 'BAAL AND ASHTEROTH'.

The Mayan prophecy does go back beyond 400 B.C., I do agree and maybe I did not make it clear that I referred to THE CLASSICAL MAYANS of the A.D. 300s, the time when they put it to script. However, you skip over that fact that I wrote that Moses and others long before Daniel's time prophesized concerning 'the star'.

The Preclassic Period--around 2000 B.C. -- I agree but chose not to elaborate. Based on my research, this was the time when major migrations of people occurred and many people left the Meditteranean world. But at that time, the Chaldeans and Phut Ham people dominated in the Americas. The Mayans and the Canaanites were also apart of this experience, I know but based on my research, they became organized in Mesoamerica in the 1500s B.C. and came into contact with 'the Olmecs'.

The Sixth Century BC and etc.---INTERPRETATIONS

6th century BC means---500s BC
the mid-second century BC means----100s BC
the fourth century BC means -----300s BC

Whether it is the traditionalist, scholars or editorial works, Daniel's life must be placed on a timeline in order to understand his writings. This would be true for any history book whether in Americans public schools, colleges or in any other civilized nation based upon script. I believe that our American system purposefully used terms that they knew would confuse African American students so, I always try to make a point to interpret their timelines and terms such as 'BC, BCE, century, millinneum and etc.' before I continue.

Daniel's life is marked in script with the kings of Babylon and Persia and these subjects are studied at a great length in the secular world! The Persian records and many othe civilizations that wrote agree with the life of Daniel written in the Bible. Therefore, the Bible timeline needs to be referred to in addition to cross referencing in order to understand what you are referring to in regards to tradition, and editing.

The Bible timeline is based upon THE STAR OF BETHLEHEM and the Creation of Adam and other scientific facts. I will place a timeline later but here's a start:

4022 B.C. -- the Creation of Adam
2956 B.C. -- the birth of Noah
2356 B.C. -- the Great World Flood
2006 B.C. -- the death of Noah
1436 B.C. -- the Exodus
956 B.C. -- king Solomon lays the foundation of the temple of God
662 B.C. -- the fall of Northern Israel
545 B.C. -- the fall of Southern Israel
488 B.C. -- the 1st year of the reign of King Belshazzar

The Mayan Classic Age occurred A.D. 300s! They came after Daniel and wrote!

You are wrong about the Mayans NOT READING ARAMAIC OR HEBREW!

To start the Biblical Baalim, was Aramaic and, he was also 'a Baal priest' hence his name. In addition, the very word 'BAAL' is prevalent in MAYAN SCRIPT! the Mayans are directly from that region of the world!

The word 'Baal' includes the definition of 'Star worshiper' and 'head worship' and the Mayans were both 'sky watchers' [star worshipers] and 'head hunters'. More importantly, the Israelited contended with the Mayans continually and were judged many times based upon their going against their own system in order to worship 'BAAL AND ASHTEROTH'.

The Mayan prophecy does go back beyond 400 B.C., I do agree and maybe I did not make it clear that I referred to THE CLASSICAL MAYANS of the A.D. 300s, the time when they put it to script. However, you skip over that fact that I wrote that Moses and others long before Daniel's time prophesized concerning 'the star'.

The Preclassic Period--around 2000 B.C. -- I agree but chose not to elaborate. Based on my research, this was the time when major migrations of people occurred and many people left the Meditteranean world. But at that time, the Chaldeans and Phut Ham people dominated in the Americas. The Mayans and the Canaanites were also apart of this experience, I know but based on my research, they became organized in Mesoamerica in the 1500s B.C. and came into contact with 'the Olmecs'.

The Sixth Century BC and etc.---INTERPRETATIONS

6th century BC means---500s BC
the mid-second century BC means----100s BC
the fourth century BC means -----300s BC

Whether it is the traditionalist, scholars or editorial works, Daniel's life must be placed on a timeline in order to understand his writings. This would be true for any history book whether in Americans public schools, colleges or in any other civilized nation based upon script. I believe that our American system purposefully used terms that they knew would confuse African American students so, I always try to make a point to interpret their timelines and terms such as 'BC, BCE, century, millinneum and etc.' before I continue.

Daniel's life is marked in script with the kings of Babylon and Persia and these subjects are studied at a great length in the secular world! The Persian records and many othe civilizations that wrote agree with the life of Daniel written in the Bible. Therefore, the Bible timeline needs to be referred to in addition to cross referencing in order to understand what you are referring to in regards to tradition, and editing.

The Bible timeline is based upon THE STAR OF BETHLEHEM and the Creation of Adam and other scientific facts. I will place a timeline later but here's a start:

4022 B.C. -- the Creation of Adam
2956 B.C. -- the birth of Noah
2356 B.C. -- the Great World Flood
2006 B.C. -- the death of Noah
1436 B.C. -- the Exodus
956 B.C. -- king Solomon lays the foundation of the temple of God
662 B.C. -- the fall of Northern Israel
545 B.C. -- the fall of Southern Israel
488 B.C. -- the 1st year of the reign of King Belshazzar

The Mayan Classic Age occurred A.D. 300s! They came after Daniel and wrote!

You pick ONE WORD out of language and say it means that they spoke and read a different language. That's funny. There are common words between English and Spanish...but unless TAUGHT to read Spanish...English speaking people DON'T SPEAK SPANISH. Plus there are NO similarities in the languages which points to the fact that they probably did NOT migrate from the middle east.

You already agreed that the PRECLASSIC PERIOD contained the PROPHECY based on the CALENDER, ASTRONOMY, AND MATH. This is about 1500 years BEFORE DANIEL'S prophecy...so why do you say their prophecy came after Daniel's...only because it had not been written down until ad 300 or so?

There was NO ADAM, NO NOAH, NO GREAT FLOOD. These are ALL stolen stories from our people in Kemet. Not only are they stolen they are GROSSLY manipulated and screwed up. No many lived 950 years! The BIBLE TIMELINE IS OUT OF ORDER when considering the universe and the only reconciliation for the mistakes in the Bible are...He is God he can create it however he wants to. That is not an intelligent response because nothing else in the universe is out of order!

The prophecy of the Mayan's had NOTHING to do with Daniel's.

Peace and love

Hi Chevron Dove,

Are you aware of Jesus own prophesy about his return?

In Matthew 24 we read in words ascribed to Jesus himself that the tribulation will come first and then the return of Jesus and then the rapture. Many Christians continue to fight or agree to disagree over whether the tribulation or the rapture will come first. This is probably because Jesus goies on to say that the generation to whom he was speaking would not pass away until all those events had happened. The Church would rather let people fight and squabble than try to explain why they have us waiting for something that should have already happened.

Actually what he was talking about would be the third coming and we are waiting for the fourth coming. Right after his resurrection Mary tries to hug him but he tells her not to touch him because he had not yet ascended. Ten verses later he tells Thomas to touch his wounds. either had ascended in the space of those ten verses or he forgot what he told Mary.

It really doesn't matter what you find in the Bible. If you turn the page you will find just the opposite. That's why in one place we read that God is not the author of confusion and not a man that he should lie. But in another place he says he sends people strong delusion that they should believe a lie. How can you send people a delusion and not be the author of confusion? How can you make people believe a lie someone else told and not be a liar yourself? And how can a group of people be so arrogant to think that God is lying to the world but to them alone is telling the truth? If God deludes anyone, even one person then none of us can be sure.

End time prophecies are so generic that they have been seen in every generation. Even the Thessalonians in the Bible thought they say signs of the end.

If God really wanted to show people the future and what the end times would look like in an indisputable way that we could read and find no other explanation but divine foresight he could have said In those days men will fly through the air like birds. They shalt walk on the moon and a man shalt talk to his friend in another city and shalt hear him like unto if he were in the same room. Man shalt shoot one arrow and it shalleth destroy an entire city and all that dwelleth in it.

We do not read about any of these things because the god of the bible could no more see the future than the people who created him. But there were those who could see. There were those who understood the message of the stars and planets. There were those who read the things our ancestors wrote before the library at Alexandria was burned first by Julius Caesar and then a mob of angry Christians destroyed what he left.

Some of that stolen knowledge was included in the bible which wasn't even put together until the fourth century. Yes we will find some of that knowledge but it has nothing to do with Jesus.

Your welcome!

With regard to time...

space-time one definition is the system of one temporal and three spacial coordinates by which any physical object or event can be located...

time is linear... for example ur born on such and such a day.. and linear time concludes that u start on ur birth day and u move forward in a straight line...

so in that sense on this demension.. or on this third density... we measure using linear time...

conceptually... space-time... is not linear... it operates under the notion that perhaps we are here because we were there...

same as the planets will align again into a position that they where in, in the past...

we too will return....

being the ones phrophesied to return based on astronomy....

space-time is not linear... it moves in cycles... therefore our totality is based on past, present and future.... together, and not linear time which begins according to the day u were born and moves only forward from there...

in other words... there is nothin new under the sun...


That is deep! I love it. Thanks!

You pick ONE WORD out of language and say it means that they spoke and read a different language. That's funny. There are common words between English and Spanish...but unless TAUGHT to read Spanish...English speaking people DON'T SPEAK SPANISH. Plus there are NO similarities in the languages which points to the fact that they probably did NOT migrate from the middle east.

You already agreed that the PRECLASSIC PERIOD contained the PROPHECY based on the CALENDER, ASTRONOMY, AND MATH. This is about 1500 years BEFORE DANIEL'S prophecy...so why do you say their prophecy came after Daniel's...only because it had not been written down until ad 300 or so?

There was NO ADAM, NO NOAH, NO GREAT FLOOD. These are ALL stolen stories from our people in Kemet. Not only are they stolen they are GROSSLY manipulated and screwed up. No many lived 950 years! The BIBLE TIMELINE IS OUT OF ORDER when considering the universe and the only reconciliation for the mistakes in the Bible are...He is God he can create it however he wants to. That is not an intelligent response because nothing else in the universe is out of order!

The prophecy of the Mayan's had NOTHING to do with Daniel's.

Peace and love

Civilizations are based on script. Primitive civilizations do not have a chronological script. But, I don't see myself dis-agreeing with you too much in regards to the 1500s B.C.

However, I'm not just using one word to determine the migrations of the Mayans.

As far as your statement on there being no flood, no Noah and no Adam, I always based my research on the records of the Bible. So it is not what I believe, it is simply that I'm basing this on script, timelines, historical records, history, and the fact that the Bible was used to dominate African American descendants of slavery, the Roman Empire and etc.

If there was no Adam, no Noah and no flood as you say well, we will find out in about 4 years because THE BIBLE IS BASED ON, THE STAR AND PROPHECY . . . TIME WILL TELL.

I hope that life is eternal and that I live more than 950 years in a better existence that what is offer to me on this earth now.

Hi Chevron Dove,

Are you aware of Jesus own prophesy about his return?

In Matthew 24 we read in words ascribed to Jesus himself that the tribulation will come first and then the return of Jesus and then the rapture. Many Christians continue to fight or agree to disagree over whether the tribulation or the rapture will come first. This is probably because Jesus goies on to say that the generation to whom he was speaking would not pass away until all those events had happened. The Church would rather let people fight and squabble than try to explain why they have us waiting for something that should have already happened.

Actually what he was talking about would be the third coming and we are waiting for the fourth coming. Right after his resurrection Mary tries to hug him but he tells her not to touch him because he had not yet ascended. Ten verses later he tells Thomas to touch his wounds. either had ascended in the space of those ten verses or he forgot what he told Mary.

It really doesn't matter what you find in the Bible. If you turn the page you will find just the opposite. That's why in one place we read that God is not the author of confusion and not a man that he should lie. But in another place he says he sends people strong delusion that they should believe a lie. How can you send people a delusion and not be the author of confusion? How can you make people believe a lie someone else told and not be a liar yourself? And how can a group of people be so arrogant to think that God is lying to the world but to them alone is telling the truth? If God deludes anyone, even one person then none of us can be sure.

End time prophecies are so generic that they have been seen in every generation. Even the Thessalonians in the Bible thought they say signs of the end.

If God really wanted to show people the future and what the end times would look like in an indisputable way that we could read and find no other explanation but divine foresight he could have said In those days men will fly through the air like birds. They shalt walk on the moon and a man shalt talk to his friend in another city and shalt hear him like unto if he were in the same room. Man shalt shoot one arrow and it shalleth destroy an entire city and all that dwelleth in it.

We do not read about any of these things because the god of the bible could no more see the future than the people who created him. But there were those who could see. There were those who understood the message of the stars and planets. There were those who read the things our ancestors wrote before the library at Alexandria was burned first by Julius Caesar and then a mob of angry Christians destroyed what he left.

Some of that stolen knowledge was included in the bible which wasn't even put together until the fourth century. Yes we will find some of that knowledge but it has nothing to do with Jesus.

That is interesting. Yes. I research Matthew 24 and I've read about what Paul said about 'believing a lie' and that there must be a great falling away before the return of Jesus and etc.

But, I'm still basing off of the return of 'THE STAR OF BETHLEHEM' on April 17 and the return of the star as well on April 17 in the year A.D. 2002.

The words of Jesus recorded in St Matthew 24 was 2 days before his Crucifixion and that was on October 12. According to the measurement of time, Jesus was Crucified on the same day that Solomon laid the foundation of the temple of God on October 15.

I've based my research on the measurement of time so, I suppose that in 4 years, the Bible will confirm itself. But for right now, we are forced to use Americas date system or . . . we won't be buying or selling . . ..

That is interesting. Yes. I research Matthew 24 and I've read about what Paul said about 'believing a lie' and that there must be a great falling away before the return of Jesus and etc.

But, I'm still basing off of the return of 'THE STAR OF BETHLEHEM' on April 17 and the return of the star as well on April 17 in the year A.D. 2002.

The words of Jesus recorded in St Matthew 24 was 2 days before his Crucifixion and that was on October 12. According to the measurement of time, Jesus was Crucified on the same day that Solomon laid the foundation of the temple of God on October 15.

I've based my research on the measurement of time so, I suppose that in 4 years, the Bible will confirm itself. But for right now, we are forced to use Americas date system or . . . we won't be buying or selling . . ..

2 Thessalonians 2:11 KJV

And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

If the bible was written by god it was written by someone who deludes and lies. For what ever reason....

It's okay to keep believing in stuff that proves itself over and over and over again to be untrue. Then when 2012 comes and goes Christians will just look for another sign based on other biblical "evidence." They've been doing this for the last 2000 years. It's called faith. Faith is not about what it is but about what you want it to be. As long as you want Jesus to be on his way you will continue to find "evidence" that he is.

2 Thessalonians 2:11 KJV

And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

If the bible was written by god it was written by someone who deludes and lies. For what ever reason....

It's okay to keep believing in stuff that proves itself over and over and over again to be untrue. Then when 2012 comes and goes Christians will just look for another sign based on other biblical "evidence." They've been doing this for the last 2000 years. It's called faith. Faith is not about what it is but about what you want it to be. As long as you want Jesus to be on his way you will continue to find "evidence" that he is.

I Love That Scripture! Thes 2:11.

The reason why I love that Scripture has to do with Paul!

He also wrote in Thessalonians that there must be a great falling away after 'the Son of Perdition' manifest. Most people do not realize the difference between Herod and Jesus. Herod was made 'a Jewish citizen' but Jesus was 'a Jew by inheritance'. Many Jews shouted for Roman Rule against Jesus and it was only a couple of years later and then they were all Crucified by the very Roman government they shouted for. Roman soldiers were posted next to all of the wooden crosses erected up and down the streets of Jerusalem in A.D. 66 and ordered to kill anyone who tried to rescue the many Jews that were condemned and hanging on the cross. The Romans blamed them for the execution of Jesus and . . . the streets ran red with blood! The count was in the hundreds of thousands! The Romans got tired of the Jews and financially backed the Palestinians and etc. and the Jews became poor. The Jews were used and then done away with!

The Book of Thessalonians was written by Paul of whom was trained as 'a Pharisee' [lawyer] and he had a Roman education as well. He persecuted the Christians and the Jews before he realized that God allowed 'The Romans to believe a lie' that they could come into the inherited land of the Israelites and put them to slavery and tax payers and pawns and etc.!!!

You can't have it both ways. Either you give up your inheritance and place you soul in the hands of mankind to make judgment on your life or, you realize that you have a Creator and don't be tricked into giving up your inherited and human rights to a government of whom has always resorted to color and racial persecution when it become convenient to do so. It is better to have faith and hope in freedom for this kind of predicament than to be tricked into 'throwing in the towel' and not believe that there must be a better government.

Paul did his works after A.D. 2, after the advent of THE STAR OF BETHLEHEM.

America did the same thing!!! They came into this country and killed and enslaved in the name of 'Christianity' for hundreds of years and then when it was convenient, they Separated from Christianity in AD 1776. They proved themselves to be Anti-Christians.

The reason why I like the God of the Bible is because He is against Rome and He is against a government that would come into a land and think that they have the right to suppress the aboriginal people down to being 2/3rds of a person and etc. They had no right to oversee the killing of Jesus Christ. Even under their laws, Jesus was 'not guilty' of a death penalty.

I like God because his Bible writers say that one day, this kind of a government will be destroyed completely!

That is why I have hope in the belief BASED UPON THE STAR OF BETHLEHEM of which marks the prophecy to come to full fruition in about 4 years.

So, when 2012 comes and goes, I believe and have hope in change that will benefit me as an African American descendant of slaves.

As far as the word that you used 'Christians', this government dropped 'Christianity' back in AD 1776 in exchange for 'the vote system' so, I hope that you understand, I do not support 'Christianity' in that sense. I believe in Jesus Christ but, I am against this government in their deception based on 'Christianity' today.

The scripture is not saying that the god of the bible left them to their delusion in a passive way which could possibly be justifiable if they simply refused to turn away from their sin. But this scripture says the god of the bible actively sends them strong delusion. From this scripture among others it is clear the god of the bible is no different from the other gods that men have chosen to worship.

I am looking at your original post in this thread. Your point is based on a complex mathematical formula. You say there are four more years between 2009 and 2012. I must have misunderstood my math teachers in school. In my ignorance I would have sworn that 9 plus 4 is 13.

If you can make such an easy mistake what other mistakes exist in the more complex formulas that your point is based on?

The scripture is not saying that the god of the bible left them to their delusion in a passive way which could possibly be justifiable if they simply refused to turn away from their sin. But this scripture says the god of the bible actively sends them strong delusion. From this scripture among others it is clear the god of the bible is no different from the other gods that men have chosen to worship.

I am looking at your original post in this thread. Your point is based on a complex mathematical formula. You say there are four more years between 2009 and 2012. I must have misunderstood my math teachers in school. In my ignorance I would have sworn that 9 plus 4 is 13.

If you can make such an easy mistake what other mistakes exist in the more complex formulas that your point is based on?

No. I did not make a mistake.

From this year until the end of 2012 is what I've been referring to as 'by the end of 2012' and, this means what I've referred to as 'about 4 years'. That would be more specifically;

All of 2009--1 year; all of 2010--2 years; all of 2011--3 years; all of 2012--4 years.

So, by the year 2013, the Bible will have confirmed itself considering the STAR OF BETHLEHEM'S arrival and return.

You have to consider the full year of 2012. That is why it is not simple math. No. I certainly did not make a mistake.

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As far as 'the God of the Bible'; he never told any government to enslave and kill in the name of Christianity. If people did this whether they were deluded to believe it was true or not . . . GOD NEVER TOLD THEM TO DO IT. Mankind can hate God the Creator, it is a free choice. But according to the same Bible that was used to set up this government, they are going to reap further reprecussions of it.

No. I did not make a mistake.

From this year until the end of 2012 is what I've been referring to as 'by the end of 2012' and, this means what I've referred to as 'about 4 years'. That would be more specifically;

All of 2009--1 year; all of 2010--2 years; all of 2011--3 years; all of 2012--4 years.

So, by the year 2013, the Bible will have confirmed itself considering the STAR OF BETHLEHEM'S arrival and return.

You have to consider the full year of 2012. That is why it is not simple math. No. I certainly did not make a mistake.

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As far as 'the God of the Bible'; he never told any government to enslave and kill in the name of Christianity. If people did this whether they were deluded to believe it was true or not . . . GOD NEVER TOLD THEM TO DO IT. Mankind can hate God the Creator, it is a free choice. But according to the same Bible that was used to set up this government, they are going to reap further reprecussions of it.

We shall see what we shall see. As i said this will not be the first time someone "knew" when the second (actually the fourth) coming would occur and i dare say it will not be the last. 2.3.4.5 thousand years from now folks will still have their sure shot mathematical formulas based on biblical "evidence."

You know that Christianity was beat into our ancestors. Do you really believe there is anything a slave master would give you that is designed to set you free?

We shall see what we shall see. As i said this will not be the first time someone "knew" when the second (actually the fourth) coming would occur and i dare say it will not be the last. 2.3.4.5 thousand years from now folks will still have their sure shot mathematical formulas based on biblical "evidence."

You know that Christianity was beat into our ancestors. Do you really believe there is anything a slave master would give you that is designed to set you free?

I do not know why you are asking me about 'Christianity'. I already said that this government Separated from it in AD 1776 and that I do not agree with today's deception about it. They never gave us the Bible. The federal government 'outlawed it in public schools' and relieved themselves of the responsibility of teaching what they said they brought us over here for.

I'm only referring to the KJV because it is the one that was used to set up this government. It does not refer to a '3rd or 4th coming'.

Even though they beat our ancestors into believing their lies about 'the word of God' and set up their pagan holidays as being right when they knew it was 'blasphemous', at least African Americans might have a chance to 'change their minds' about this system before the destruction of the great city because this government separated long before 1865. They were deceived into petitioning for Democracy and not educated 'formally' on the difference. We did not have any choice in the matter in 1776. It was almost 90 years before the Emancipation Proclamation. They were voting long before we even knew what it meant or the danger of it.

When this government adopted 'Democracy' instead of 'the Bible' they used to 'beat us about', it is that same as saying God was wrong about sending his son and about having all those prophets write the Bible! So, they got rid of the Bible and wrote their own laws and changed dates and times.

If Righteousness comes by the law then Christ died in vain [for nothing]--The Book of Galatians.

Democracy is not better than Jesus. Democracy is a representative government. Jesus was chosen by his own father.

But I do agree with you on that 'we shall see what we shall see'.

I do not know why you are asking me about 'Christianity'. I already said that this government Separated from it in AD 1776 and that I do not agree with today's deception about it. They never gave us the Bible. The federal government 'outlawed it in public schools' and relieved themselves of the responsibility of teaching what they said they brought us over here for.

I'm only referring to the KJV because it is the one that was used to set up this government. It does not refer to a '3rd or 4th coming'.

Even though they beat our ancestors into believing their lies about 'the word of God' and set up their pagan holidays as being right when they knew it was 'blasphemous', at least African Americans might have a chance to 'change their minds' about this system before the destruction of the great city because this government separated long before 1865. They were deceived into petitioning for Democracy and not educated 'formally' on the difference. We did not have any choice in the matter in 1776. It was almost 90 years before the Emancipation Proclamation. They were voting long before we even knew what it meant or the danger of it.

When this government adopted 'Democracy' instead of 'the Bible' they used to 'beat us about', it is that same as saying God was wrong about sending his son and about having all those prophets write the Bible! So, they got rid of the Bible and wrote their own laws and changed dates and times.

If Righteousness comes by the law then Christ died in vain [for nothing]--The Book of Galatians.

Democracy is not better than Jesus. Democracy is a representative government. Jesus was chosen by his own father.

But I do agree with you on that 'we shall see what we shall see'.

I have not read all your posts and do not fully understand what you do and do not believe as far as Christianity and all that goes with it.

In this post you seem to suggest that the beating of our ancestors is something the government did when they abandoned the bible. Actually it is the bible in the old testament that gives slave masters divine sanction to beat their slaves. In fact in a survey of over a hundred ministers during the eighteen hundreds none of them say anywhere the bible prohibited slavery.

Truth of the matter is the government tried to abolish slavery when this contry was first started because they could not see how they could fight for freedom and equality while holding slaves but it was the christians in the south who raised a stink about it and forced the government to abandon plans to abolish slavery.

The majority of the evil in this world has been perpetrated in the name of the god of the bible and biblical support has been found for everything from slavery to rape to genocide.

Jesus did not swear to anything. Not one word in the bible was written by Jesus. Like Pythagoras one hundred years before him Jesus left no writings of his own but his disciples elevated him to god status after his death. This was such a common practice in the ancient Greco-Roman world. The only thing we know about Jesus is what the white Roman Catholic Church allowed us to read after they had edited it. And remember they are liars.

the bible is nothing more than an incredible book of folklore culled from Egyptian stories and Sibyl prophecies..!:smash:



If the bible were reliable then this would still be a stretch. But, since the bible is NOT reliable then we can only go by the other 2012 prophecies as the reason for this date.

the bible is nothing more than an incredible book of folklore culled from Egyptian stories and Sibyl prophecies..!:smash:


Yes. we've discussed this topic before.Rejection of script at will. . . it's a free choice.


But at least, you are brave enough to opt out of the Biblical prophecy of the return of Jesus from the Bible kjv script. You've caste your fate on this government. Not me.

*Sybil ---- Cybele---the seed of Satan; the supreme goddess of the Roman Empire--
--------Cybele; the earth mother, corn goddess----in the Old Testaments--

Shibboleth or 'ear of corn'
Mayan corn goddess
and so much more.

The Sybillene books; the oracles that the Romans adhered to before the time of the Council of Nice in the A.D. 300s

I have not read all your posts and do not fully understand what you do and do not believe as far as Christianity and all that goes with it.

In this post you seem to suggest that the beating of our ancestors is something the government did when they abandoned the bible. Actually it is the bible in the old testament that gives slave masters divine sanction to beat their slaves. In fact in a survey of over a hundred ministers during the eighteen hundreds none of them say anywhere the bible prohibited slavery.

Truth of the matter is the government tried to abolish slavery when this contry was first started because they could not see how they could fight for freedom and equality while holding slaves but it was the christians in the south who raised a stink about it and forced the government to abandon plans to abolish slavery.

The majority of the evil in this world has been perpetrated in the name of the god of the bible and biblical support has been found for everything from slavery to rape to genocide.

Jesus did not swear to anything. Not one word in the bible was written by Jesus. Like Pythagoras one hundred years before him Jesus left no writings of his own but his disciples elevated him to god status after his death. This was such a common practice in the ancient Greco-Roman world. The only thing we know about Jesus is what the white Roman Catholic Church allowed us to read after they had edited it. And remember they are liars.


I never said Jesus wrote. I quoted Daniel.
You continue to mis-represent my words and statements.


(1) I've had to correct your mistake about what I wrote in your math about 2012--
(2) I've repeated my statements regarding 'Christianity' and you say
incorrectly that I am for Christianity
(3) You challenge Bible writings on Daniel about 'Jesus swearing'--you reject written script

I've based my research on the kjv Bible and 2012 on the Star of Bethlehem and etc.

But, it is good to know that you won't be apart of what Jesus has to offer instead of this Democracy.

I never said Jesus wrote. I quoted Daniel.
You continue to mis-represent my words and statements.


(1) I've had to correct your mistake about what I wrote in your math about 2012--
(2) I've repeated my statements regarding 'Christianity' and you say
incorrectly that I am for Christianity
(3) You challenge Bible writings on Daniel about 'Jesus swearing'--you reject written script

I've based my research on the kjv Bible and 2012 on the Star of Bethlehem and etc.


Now I am totally confused. The title of this thread is "He Swore He would Come Back...in 4 Years...;Think About It!..."
Now you are saying you didn't say "He swore..." but were quoting Daniel. So is it Daniel who will return in 2012? I did not misrepresent you. You simply change what you say as the need arises. If you're not preaching Christianity are you preaching Danielity?

Your explanation about your mathematical calculation makes no sense. because this is not the beginning of 2009. Again you change the rules when questioned. Coming in the sixth month of the year saying there will be four more years to the year 2012 then when questioned you say you were talking about the beginning of the year. If you had written this thread six months ago your correction would stand but you wrote it 7 days ago.

But, it is good to know that you won't be apart of what Jesus has to offer instead of this Democracy.The scriptures that you love so much say God is not willing that any should perish. But you say it is good. HHmmmmmm.

I will not perish for rejecting the so-called scripture. Yet you just may find yourself trying to explain to your Creator why you held a book that someone wrote and told you they got from God over and above your mind which you know is from the Creator without anyone telling you.

Good luck.

Now I am totally confused. The title of this thread is "He Swore He would Come Back...in 4 Years...;Think About It!..."
Now you are saying you didn't say "He swore..." but were quoting Daniel. So is it Daniel who will return in 2012? I did not misrepresent you. You simply change what you say as the need arises. If you're not preaching Christianity are you preaching Danielity?

Your explanation about your mathematical calculation makes no sense. because this is not the beginning of 2009. Again you change the rules when questioned. Coming in the sixth month of the year saying there will be four more years to the year 2012 then when questioned you say you were talking about the beginning of the year. If you had written this thread six months ago your correction would stand but you wrote it 7 days ago.

The scriptures that you love so much say God is not willing that any should perish. But you say it is good. HHmmmmmm.

I will not perish for rejecting the so-called scripture. Yet you just may find yourself trying to explain to your Creator why you held a book that someone wrote and told you they got from God over and above your mind which you know is from the Creator without anyone telling you.

Good luck.

It is Federal -- You are fraudulent.

I quoted the Bible [kjv] about 'Jesus swore' Daniel 12:6-7.

This is the Bible that the Federal government founded this nation upon. Furthermore, this is the Bible that is 'SWORN UPON IN FEDERAL COURT'.
For this reason, the Bible citations upon I base my post on is binding.

You are misrepresenting my words and taking them out of context.

"then when questioned you say you were talking about the beginning of the year."

Quote me on this!

I never said this! You are fraudulent. You don't know how to count in reference to 'time', the beginning of the year for Israel, versus, Rome, versus America.... You are ignorant of facts about the Calendar.

You will perish according to your own words and based upon this Bible. You Blaspheme the Bible. God's will be done.

The author Daniel's words are binding under this law and you are rejecting written records. That is a free choice but, your works are against God, the Creator.

It is Federal -- You are fraudulent.

I quoted the Bible [kjv] about 'Jesus swore' Daniel 12:6-7.

This is the Bible that the Federal government founded this nation upon. Furthermore, this is the Bible that is 'SWORN UPON IN FEDERAL COURT'.
For this reason, the Bible citations upon I base my post on is binding.

You are misrepresenting my words and taking them out of context.

"then when questioned you say you were talking about the beginning of the year."

Quote me on this!

I never said this! You are fraudulent. You don't know how to count in reference to 'time', the beginning of the year for Israel, versus, Rome, versus America.... You are ignorant of facts about the Calendar.

You will perish according to your own words and based upon this Bible. You Blaspheme the Bible. God's will be done.

The author Daniel's words are binding under this law and you are rejecting written records. That is a free choice but, your works are against God, the Creator.

Wow!!! That was a pretty powerful indictment of River. But, you should KNOW that River will NOT PERISH based on the FRAUDULENT book that you worship for NO APPARENT REASON.

I agree with River and you also changed your story when I pointed out that the Mayan prophecy (preclassic period) is OLDER THAN THE BOOK OF DANIEL.

People who consider the bible to be the word of God obviously do so out of FEAR and BRAINWASHING. I hope some day something will be said or shown to you and others so you all can be released from the modern day slavery that you are still a captive of.

Peace and Love

the "incredible" book known as the bible is a book of fairy tales for children.

Adults search their own souls from within...
Adults claim their own salvation from within...
Adults activate and work their Chakras...


Hotep, Fine

It is Federal -- You are fraudulent.

I quoted the Bible [kjv] about 'Jesus swore' Daniel 12:6-7.

This is the Bible that the Federal government founded this nation upon. Furthermore, this is the Bible that is 'SWORN UPON IN FEDERAL COURT'.
For this reason, the Bible citations upon I base my post on is binding.

You are misrepresenting my words and taking them out of context.

"then when questioned you say you were talking about the beginning of the year."

Quote me on this!

I never said this! You are fraudulent. You don't know how to count in reference to 'time', the beginning of the year for Israel, versus, Rome, versus America.... You are ignorant of facts about the Calendar.

You will perish according to your own words and based upon this Bible. You Blaspheme the Bible. God's will be done.

The author Daniel's words are binding under this law and you are rejecting written records. That is a free choice but, your works are against God, the Creator.

Did I strike a nerve or something here. Geesh, calm down,sugar. It ain't that deep.

Wow!!! That was a pretty powerful indictment of River. But, you should KNOW that River will NOT PERISH based on the FRAUDULENT book that you worship for NO APPARENT REASON.

I agree with River and you also changed your story when I pointed out that the Mayan prophecy (preclassic period) is OLDER THAN THE BOOK OF DANIEL.

People who consider the bible to be the word of God obviously do so out of FEAR and BRAINWASHING. I hope some day something will be said or shown to you and others so you all can be released from the modern day slavery that you are still a captive of.

Peace and Love

We will see in 4 years if I'm right or wrong about river.

you mis-represent me on your statement about the Mayans. I did not go back to the preclassic period because they did not script about the prophecy of 2012. you need to quote me on this.

the "incredible" book known as the bible is a book of fairy tales for children.

Adults search their own souls from within...
Adults claim their own salvation from within...
Adults activate and work their Chakras...


Hotep, Fine

Doesn't 'Fine'---phonetically mean; "Phene", "phoene"; hence 'Nike'?

Did I strike a nerve or something here. Geesh, calm down,sugar. It ain't that deep.


you mis-represented my statements. That's is fraudulent. I'll calm down though. Because I know that you are done.

what or where you are going with this empty statement, LOL that has nothing to do with your topic; however, know that I am Lazar on CocoaLounge as you are Chevron Dove there and AfricanAmeric.org!

Actually the word fine means -- Nice; delicate; subtle; exquisite; artful; skillful; dexterous.

I chose the colloquial slang -- because yes I know I am all that!:qqb015: since who will if I don't, LOL:geek:

When you get a chance take a look see at Destee's sticky "Warning Family". You just might learn a thing or to...!

Doesn't 'Fine'---phonetically mean; "Phene", "phoene"; hence 'Nike'?

what or where you are going with this empty statement, LOL that has nothing to do with your topic; however, know that I am Lazar on CocoaLounge as you are Chevron Dove there and AfricanAmeric.org!

Actually the word fine means -- Nice; delicate; subtle; exquisite; artful; skillful; dexterous.

I chose the colloquial slang -- because yes I know I am all that!:qqb015: since who will if I don't, LOL:geek:

When you get a chance take a look see at Destee's sticky "Warning Family". You just might learn a thing or to...!

wow! I can't believe she would take a jab at your name. well when they have nothing legitimate to say they do stuff like that. This is getting more and more ridiculous by the minute. She's right about one thing though. I am done. I'm outta here here.

Doesn't 'Fine'---phonetically mean; "Phene", "phoene"; hence 'Nike'?

Sugar, that was below the belt and we don't do that around here..

i'll never quite understand why new people get so mad when their logic is questioned...
if u can't get any backers then move on to another topic...why take jabs at people...especially in a thread talking about jesus....lmao

one love
khasm

It is Federal -- You are fraudulent.

I quoted the Bible [kjv] about 'Jesus swore' Daniel 12:6-7.

This is the Bible that the Federal government founded this nation upon. Furthermore, this is the Bible that is 'SWORN UPON IN FEDERAL COURT'.
For this reason, the Bible citations upon I base my post on is binding.

You are misrepresenting my words and taking them out of context.

"then when questioned you say you were talking about the beginning of the year."

Quote me on this!

I never said this! You are fraudulent. You don't know how to count in reference to 'time', the beginning of the year for Israel, versus, Rome, versus America.... You are ignorant of facts about the Calendar.

You will perish according to your own words and based upon this Bible. You Blaspheme the Bible. God's will be done.

The author Daniel's words are binding under this law and you are rejecting written records. That is a free choice but, your works are against God, the Creator.

wow... wow..

now don't get all bent out of shape Sister Chevron Dove... Sister Fine1952 and Sister River please correct me as I am just going by memory...

but wasn't the first calendar based on a woman's menstrual cycle... Sister Chevron have you not realized that we keep time naturally... by the cycles of our menstruation, and by the cycles of birth... which correspond with the same cycles of astronomy... isn't that math really worth doing... it's not complicated and not confusing.... and it can't be twisted cause u gon bleed..

and more importantly...

bind .. in ur statement.. bind... bind... r u thinking about that..

to bind is in opposition to being free...

and what gives you the right to **** Sister River?

and please don't tell me the kjv of the bible gives u that authority...

what or where you are going with this empty statement, LOL that has nothing to do with your topic; however, know that I am Lazar on CocoaLounge as you are Chevron Dove there and AfricanAmeric.org!

Actually the word fine means -- Nice; delicate; subtle; exquisite; artful; skillful; dexterous.

I chose the colloquial slang -- because yes I know I am all that!:qqb015: since who will if I don't, LOL:geek:

When you get a chance take a look see at Destee's sticky "Warning Family". You just might learn a thing or to...!

If you can dish it out, you need to receive. You point out Destee's sticky without realizing the legality of 'harassment'.

I did not dis-respect your legal rights but, you respond to this thread very disprespectfully. I did not come against your 'pagan stance' on the Bible [kjv] but you respond to me repeatedly and make general declarations against the Bible [kjv] to discount my specific contributions based upon research. This thread was based upon Daniel 7:25 and 12:6-7.

I backed up my research with other facts including the planet Saturn and etc.

You do not address the very scriptures, Bible citations and other research I offered to support my research and just completely 'blew off' my specific input once and then you came back and did it again. This thread was not about the Bible being categorized as 'fairy tales and etc.' as you have stated but, it reference one aspect that revolved around 'time and the measurement of time and prophecy' of which you did not address.

If you don't believe in the Bible then, why bother commenting on this thread. What are you trying to accomplish by forcing your opinions on the back of my research?

If you give me written sources as to why you don't agree with 'the 4 year time span' that I addressed then, I would suppose, I would be interested.

i'll never quite understand why new people get so mad when their logic is questioned...
if u can't get any backers then move on to another topic...why take jabs at people...especially in a thread talking about jesus....lmao

one love
khasm

I'm not trying to get any backers...

Someone insulted my belief, my religion and you come on and try to exercise your authority againt me because I'm new!?

In respect to 'Jesus', Do you really think that makes a difference in that I should NOT have a human right to defend myself!

I share my research without saying such things as 'the Bible is just a book of fairy tales and etc.' I DO NOT SAY 'the Book of Sibelline is just a book of lies...' I specifically offered true facts that it was the major book used by the Roman Empire and etc.

YOU CAN'T CORRECT ME with authority!

I share because my basic instinct is 'vanity' although I try to fight it by sharing. Jesus said, [paraphrasing] 'in no case will we enter into the kingdom of heaven unless our righteouness exceeds that of the scribes and pharisees [writers & lawyers] in ST MATTHEW. The Bible has been BLASPHEMED and I try to share facts that support this.

Therefore, I want to be remembered by the Creator and Jesus for doing just that so, I share. But also, when I think about this government and its mis-education and the terrible affects it has on innocent Black children, I share. If people don't like what I present then, at least let others make up their own mind. Don't come on and make mind controlling statements like; 'the Bible is not true'...Black people need to stop depending on the Bible...Black people are enslaved by the white man's Bible...and expect for me not to JAB BACK if that has been my belief and my inspiration!

Who has the right to define me as a Black person!?

If you based these strong controlling assumptions about the Bible on truth then, put some quotes from sources or something and allow me to debate!

wow... wow..

now don't get all bent out of shape Sister Chevron Dove... Sister Fine1952 and Sister River please correct me as I am just going by memory...

but wasn't the first calendar based on a woman's menstrual cycle... Sister Chevron have you not realized that we keep time naturally... by the cycles of our menstruation, and by the cycles of birth... which correspond with the same cycles of astronomy... isn't that math really worth doing... it's not complicated and not confusing.... and it can't be twisted cause u gon bleed..

and more importantly...

bind .. in ur statement.. bind... bind... r u thinking about that..

to bind is in opposition to being free...

and what gives you the right to **** Sister River?

and please don't tell me the kjv of the bible gives u that authority...

Calendars in reference to menstrual cycles--I've not heard this. But I would welcome some quotes or sources.

I'm usually regular and only once in so many years do I get off my cycle due to stress and such. But when it comes to the planets and movement of stars, constellations in relation to the planet earth, there is no 'getting off cycle'. Ancient Calendars of which I spoke of are based upon that perspective.

THE STAR OF BETHLEHEM SHOW--At the local planetarium shows about the Star of Bethlehem of which is shown annually in December-January in most place across the world, it states that the Romans found that their Calendars were off and Julius Ceasar had to travel to Egypt and rely upon the Egyptian priest in order to correct their Calendars.

I did not ****River.

She came on and related to my research in a condesending and judgmental mode. She did not discount my research, She completely discounted the whole Bible upon which I based part of my research on and then, I backed it up with other sources.

I was disrespected. the word 'binding' is a legal term and used in this context. Based upon what she stated, it is written in the Bible. I only referred to her stance. I did not take that authority over her.

But yes. The Bible does speak of saints having that kind of authority. In these latter days, the two anointed are written to manifest and are given that kind of authority.

People think they can discount African American descendants of slaves any kind of way [even amongst ourselves]. They don't think we have any support. If I choose to believe in the Bible and back it up with facts and you want to show me another way, I'm open but, give me some facts. Treat me like you would another kind of person.

Calendars in reference to menstrual cycles--I've not heard this. But I would welcome some quotes or sources.

I'm usually regular and only once in so many years do I get off my cycle due to stress and such. But when it comes to the planets and movement of stars, constellations in relation to the planet earth, there is no 'getting off cycle'. Ancient Calendars of which I spoke of are based upon that perspective.

THE STAR OF BETHLEHEM SHOW--At the local planetarium shows about the Star of Bethlehem of which is shown annually in December-January in most place across the world, it states that the Romans found that their Calendars were off and Julius Ceasar had to travel to Egypt and rely upon the Egyptian priest in order to correct their Calendars.

I did not ****River.

She came on and related to my research in a condesending and judgmental mode. She did not discount my research, She completely discounted the whole Bible upon which I based part of my research on and then, I backed it up with other sources.

I was disrespected. the word 'binding' is a legal term and used in this context. Based upon what she stated, it is written in the Bible. I only referred to her stance. I did not take that authority over her.

But yes. The Bible does speak of saints having that kind of authority. In these latter days, the two anointed are written to manifest and are given that kind of authority.

People think they can discount African American descendants of slaves any kind of way [even amongst ourselves]. They don't think we have any support. If I choose to believe in the Bible and back it up with facts and you want to show me another way, I'm open but, give me some facts. Treat me like you would another kind of person.

funny how once in a while we do get off of our cycles...

over stress .... i think we can actually stress the earth so much that it can also be thrown off cycle.... look at the shifts we face now with regard to climate and weather... and even the fact that we breath thirty percent less air now then was breathed in 1950 ...

in any event...

thanks for being open... and no doubt I try to treat every person like a human being...

I'll try to grab some information about the calendars...

just keep in mind that kjv of the bible is translated and re-written many times...

i just ordered a copy of the meta-physical bible dictionary so i can use it in conjuction while reading...

Much love and peace Sister Chevron Dove

I'm not trying to get any backers...

Someone insulted my belief, my religion and you come on and try to exercise your authority againt me because I'm new!?

In respect to 'Jesus', Do you really think that makes a difference in that I should NOT have a human right to defend myself!

I share my research without saying such things as 'the Bible is just a book of fairy tales and etc.' I DO NOT SAY 'the Book of Sibelline is just a book of lies...' I specifically offered true facts that it was the major book used by the Roman Empire and etc.

YOU CAN'T CORRECT ME with authority!

I share because my basic instinct is 'vanity' although I try to fight it by sharing. Jesus said, [paraphrasing] 'in no case will we enter into the kingdom of heaven unless our righteouness exceeds that of the scribes and pharisees [writers & lawyers] in ST MATTHEW. The Bible has been BLASPHEMED and I try to share facts that support this.

Therefore, I want to be remembered by the Creator and Jesus for doing just that so, I share. But also, when I think about this government and its mis-education and the terrible affects it has on innocent Black children, I share. If people don't like what I present then, at least let others make up their own mind. Don't come on and make mind controlling statements like; 'the Bible is not true'...Black people need to stop depending on the Bible...Black people are enslaved by the white man's Bible...and expect for me not to JAB BACK if that has been my belief and my inspiration!

Who has the right to define me as a Black person!?

If you based these strong controlling assumptions about the Bible on truth then, put some quotes from sources or something and allow me to debate!

lol...i have no authority...i'm just a black man in an angry land....
speaking of which...u sound kinda upset...did u get all of that from what i said? the question was a rhetorical one...sorry if u took it the wrong way...

one love
khasm

If you can dish it out, you need to receive. You point out Destee's sticky without realizing the legality of 'harassment'.

I did not dis-respect your legal rights but, you respond to this thread very disprespectfully. I did not come against your 'pagan stance' on the Bible [kjv] but you respond to me repeatedly and make general declarations against the Bible [kjv] to discount my specific contributions based upon research. This thread was based upon Daniel 7:25 and 12:6-7.

I backed up my research with other facts including the planet Saturn and etc.

You do not address the very scriptures, Bible citations and other research I offered to support my research and just completely 'blew off' my specific input once and then you came back and did it again. This thread was not about the Bible being categorized as 'fairy tales and etc.' as you have stated but, it reference one aspect that revolved around 'time and the measurement of time and prophecy' of which you did not address.

If you don't believe in the Bible then, why bother commenting on this thread. What are you trying to accomplish by forcing your opinions on the back of my research?

If you give me written sources as to why you don't agree with 'the 4 year time span' that I addressed then, I would suppose, I would be interested.


That is about four years from now. No one knows the day or hour as Jesus did say but, Jesus himself put us to the very year. He swore. Will the time of Tribulation come? . . . Watch and Pray. . . Shout it out on the housetops!

You have been called out on this and changed it from NOW to the beginning of this year. 4 years from now?...let's look at it.

5/09 to 5/10 1 year
5/10 to 5/11 2 years
5/11 to 5/12 3 years

How do you get ABOUT 4 YEARS FROM THAT?

Now as far as the many of us who know that the bible is NOT the Word of God, we will continue to comment on posts that have half truths or no truths as it relates to the bible or so called prophecy of the bible. Please don't be surprised or offended. We are not attacking YOU PERSONALLY when we call your religion to task. There are some like CHERRYBLOSSOM who are honest enough to just say "i am unwilling to discuss my religious beliefs" and we respect that. However, if you insist on posting things about your religion as FACT then you should expect us that know better to challenge the validity of your facts as they relate to the bible. So, if you do not want to be challenged or have your belief debated, then it is best that you just say that... so noone's feelings get hurt.

Peace and Love

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You have been called out on this and changed it from NOW to the beginning of this year. 4 years from now?...let's look at it.

5/09 to 5/10 1 year
5/10 to 5/11 2 years
5/11 to 5/12 3 years

How do you get ABOUT 4 YEARS FROM THAT?

Now as far as the many of us who know that the bible is NOT the Word of God, we will continue to comment on posts that have half truths or no truths as it relates to the bible or so called prophecy of the bible. Please don't be surprised or offended. We are not attacking YOU PERSONALLY when we call your religion to task. There are some like CHERRYBLOSSOM who are honest enough to just say "i am unwilling to discuss my religious beliefs" and we respect that. However, if you insist on posting things about your religion as FACT then you should expect us that know better to challenge the validity of your facts as they relate to the bible. So, if you do not want to be challenged or have your belief debated, then it is best that you just say that... so noone's feelings get hurt.

Peace and Love




I SAID, "ABOUT 4 YEARS! DON'T YOU GET IT!?

The whole context of this research is based on 'about 4 years' and not based upon 'about ? months'. As I explained this. The New years for many civilizations are totally different. This prophecy is not based upon 'months' but 'THE STAR OF BETHLEHEM'! Neither the month of May nor June has never been 'a New Year' for Israel but evenstill, this research is NOT BASED UPON THE MONTH.

Who are you to say to me that because "you know that the Bible is NOT the word of God", it is a factual statement!? You are rejecting written records that have been recorded long before you were even a citizen of America. The Bible records have been recorded by men born on this earth. The Bible records have been translated by humans born on this earth. If America did not use this Bible to set up then, I would not care. But they did. Therefore, I base a lot statements on this fact.

You can keep your arrogance but, to discount my religious beliefs based upon 'fraud' in reference to research based upon facts is a legal matter. I based my research on the return of the planetary alignment of April 16/17 2002 and stated that it was reported on the local news. Just because you think you can come onto a "Black Message" board and harass me and commit fraud, still does not make it right. Just because you think you can do illegal acts against me because of 'who I am' does not mean it will be excused forever.

I explained this before to River and I will state it again to you in reference to 2009 - to 2012 and, in reference to my statements 'About four years'.

You have to consider all of 2009----1 year
-------------------- all of 2010---- 2 years
-------------------- all of 2011---- 3 years
-------------------- all of 2012---- 4 years

In addition to this, you have to take into consideration that America changed the dates and times just like the anicent Romans did, therefore, the Calendar that the Israelites used has to also be considered. Not only this but, Daniel, the prophet based his prophecy on 'THE STAR OF BETHLEHEM' and this is the very basis of my research.

I will also add this; the New year for Israel must be considered as well as opposed to the New year for other ancient civilizations of whom benefited from the book of the Israelites!

For this reason, I always say 'about 4 years' or, 'by the end of A.D. 2012' or etc. I will never state an exact date to the end of this prophecy because just as I believe I wrote in the initial post, even Jesus said [ST MATTHEW 24] that no man knows the day or hour [of the end of this prophecy] but, Jesus put us to the very year!

funny how once in a while we do get off of our cycles...

over stress .... i think we can actually stress the earth so much that it can also be thrown off cycle.... look at the shifts we face now with regard to climate and weather... and even the fact that we breath thirty percent less air now then was breathed in 1950 ...

in any event...

thanks for being open... and no doubt I try to treat every person like a human being...

I'll try to grab some information about the calendars...

just keep in mind that kjv of the bible is translated and re-written many times...

i just ordered a copy of the meta-physical bible dictionary so i can use it in conjuction while reading...

Much love and peace Sister Chevron Dove

Thank you. I do agree.

This earth is shifting and doing some crazy things. I remember Hurricane Katrina and how 'the Bush administration' responded to those desperate people... and to watch it unfold on TV was so uncanny. Natural phenomenas that have already occurred such as that category 5 hurricane and more since then has made me alarmed. I wonder about this government and if they are telling us the whole truth about what's going on in our universe today. I don't know...

I also agree with you about the kjv Bible being translated and re-written many times. For this reason, I really love to see other people's viewpoints and read other books because I don't want to be close-minded about my own research.

I don't believe I've heard of 'the meta-physical Bible dictionary'. I'm interested now, though.

lol...i have no authority...i'm just a black man in an angry land....
speaking of which...u sound kinda upset...did u get all of that from what i said? the question was a rhetorical one...sorry if u took it the wrong way...

one love
khasm


Thank you.

yes. It struck kind of hard because, I have hope that I could share my research for the betterment and not for harm. I've not read a lot on this forum but, I actually benefited from some of the post that I've read of yours.

I realize that some African Americans and other African brothers and sisters in America, Africa and etc. resist 'white supremacy' and so do I. And, I just hope that I can put out a little info in hopes that it might 'be a good thing' for someone. I don't have a problem if my source is not liked but, I hope that I can at least be considered for trying to transfer a good message.

I was SOooo grateful for this site and this message board and to see an article a couple of days ago [last week] about the Former Secretary of State, Ms. Rice. if I did not give to this message board, I sure did get 'a good boost' from that article. And, for that I’m thankful. I've never been 'a republican' as I think she [Ms. Rice] may have had ties too so, I've never tuned into her past platform but, after reading the article posted, I am so grateful for her because I was able to use her statement in court to support my argument about America and their deception on 'Christianity', 'Slavery' and 'the Slave Trade'. They used their form of 'Christianity' to come against Black people. I pointed that out in court.

In addition and based upon my research with regards to 2012, I saw yesterday so many articles and television shows on 'the white man's view' on 'the end of the world' and also, their movies...it makes me sick. They base their research on ancient Chinese and the Mayan prophecy and etc. but, totally omit 'what I believe is' the Black man 'Jesus' and 'the Book of Daniel' of whom recorded about 'the end of the world'.

Based on my research...the white man’s shows are filled with lies...the Mayan date of December 21, 2012 is A LUNAR ECLIPSE! Lunar eclipses don't cause catastrophic occurrences such as TOTAL SOLAR ECLIPSE [A red moon versus a black moon]. What America is not teaching us is that a month prior to the December 2012, Mayan prophecy in December with regards to a Lunar eclipse is a TOTAL SOLAR ECLIPSE to occur in November 13, 2012! That is what the scientist of today present in their, scientific predictions, Calendars, meteor Calendars.. at their NASA sites and etc.! I've seen Lunar eclipses and the moon looks 'red' [or rust colored]. It looked like a big 3-dimensional orange balloon suspended in the sky [to me]. But in a total solar eclipse the moon and sun becomes 'as black as sack cloth'. I think this government is full of deception with their well paid television producers. They know what their 'well-paid' scientist are saying, yet, they put out deceptive movies to deceive. This Solar eclipse predicted to occur in November of 2012 will occur in the Southern Hemisphere.

When ‘a black moon’ occurs, it totally blocks the earth from getting energy from the sun for those few ‘seconds’ or ‘minutes’ or etc. It’s like putting a thick piece of rubber between ‘a refrigerator magnet’ and the refrigerator. The magnet will drop on the floor. That’s what happens when a BLACK MOON OCCURS. The planet earth [for example; ‘the magnet’] will become instable for those few seconds, minutes or etc. when ‘the new moon’ [black moon] blocks it from getting energy from the sun. Just before and after all ‘Total solar eclipses’ and with in the next few weeks of it, there will be ‘an earthquake, a tsunami or etc. to occur somewhere on this planet. When ‘a red moon’ occurs, it too causes planetary disturbances but not like a total solar eclipse.

Even though I've done many years of intense research and hope to lay out what I found in a much more detailed fashion in other forums [I hope] one day and, I want to throw a little of this info out to any Black man who might benefit from it. It would take me about three years to unload all that I’ve found. Based upon my research of the Bible with respect to names, word usage and an understanding of ‘reverse script formats’ I have found a lot of ‘Black History’ not expounded upon today. After this response, I'm going to share a little more. I’m going to call it; DID YOU KNOW and will list only a very small number of ancient black men I have found to be written about in the Bible. I have loads of resources other than the Bible and will list should anyone wants more info. I hope that you or anyone [of African descent] find it, at least interesting enough to look into it some more.

Peace.

DID YOU KNOW:

Nimrod [Rod-Dor; Dorian]---[Nim-Min; Minoans]
That ‘God’, the Creator chose Nimrod, ‘a Black man’ to be the king and blessed him to head up a great incredible civilization that would extend 1000s of years beyond his lifetime?

AbraHam [Abram; Ram] [Ram or Khnum; Cush Ham of Thebes and Nubia]
That God-the-Creator, chose Abraham because he was part-Ram meaning ‘Black-Ham’. He came from a black woman of the Hurrian civilization in Mesopotamia. And because Terah his father embraced the Assyrians [white Syrians], God made a division between Abram and his father and told Abraham never to go back to Assyria for this reason?

King Saul [son of Kish] [Ki****e, Turkish, Kush…Black Ham]
That it was God-the-Creator that chose King Saul of the tribe of Benjamin to be Israel’s 1st king! Saul was part-Cush Ham! He was a tall, black man and part of his problem with fighting against the Philistines and Kenites was because he shared a blood connection. Due to a civil war long before the birth of Saul, the Benjamites of whom lost against a combined Israelite force were given virgins from the Philistines border and this was how Saul became linked to Kush Ham [Cush-Ham]. But because Saul would not fight off the Philistines of whom had ‘white Greek’ leaders [Palestines; the Lords of the Philistines] to mock them, it was written that God-the-Creator regretted that he chose Saul and then shoes ‘The Red Brother’ [King David].

Solomon [king of Peace] [Solomon, Shalom, Salome, Salem…peace]
That God-the-Creator blessed Solomon. King David put his own son, Solomon on the throne and Solomon was ‘black skinned’. But later, the Black prophets wrote that God-the-Creator told Solomon that he was going to take the kingdom away from him because he put Hittite [white queens] on his throne at the equal level as the daughters of the land. Solomon was blamed for the later problems that befell the Israelites of whom became overthrown by the Assyrians [White Shur].

Jezebel [Jezebel means ‘Southern Belle’; daughter of Ethbaal; a white man]
King Ahab’s high queen was Jezebel, a white woman, ‘a Southern Belle’ meaning, she was from Southern Assyria or, Syria. Her father was the king of Zidon and the Zidonians were ‘white Canaanites’. Jezebel killed about a hundred Israelite prophets and the others were hid from her by other priest. She indoctrinated about 450 Baal priest [white priest] in the Capitol of Israel in Samaria. The prophet Elijah-the-Tisbite came from an area in which many Israelites had inter-mingled white people [Gilead] and he returned the deed and slew the Baal priest of Jezebel. So, she pursued him. Also, God-the-Creator was not pleased with Elijah so, he later turned over his priesthood to Elishah for this. Ahab though, was judged for putting Jezebel up as his high queen because she exploited the Israelites. Her relative was also the only queen of Jerusalem and she too exploited the Israelites and was judged.

Nebuchadnezzar [Nezzar; Nessarite, Nasserite, Nazareth…]
King Nebuchadnezzar means ‘Dark Cloud-the Nazerite’ and he was a Chaldean [Chaldean means black] just like his ancient ancestor Nimrod. In the Book of Daniel, Jesus called him ‘the golden king’ and head of ‘the golden empire’; the best government on the face of this earth. Jesus [the Ancient of Days] also referred to Cush Ham as being the best men on the face of this earth. The Chaldeans were dominated and captive along with the scattered Ten Tribes [Israel] byway of the Assyrian Empire system. They were dominated by the aboriginal Amorites [Moors] and Phoenicians of North Africa that were apart of the Assyrian military. The family of men of Nebuchadnezzar were somehow able to reform an ancient bond with Phut-Ham and it was by this renewed brotherhood bond that became known as ‘the Turkish-Moors’ and with the help of other significant men linked with the Persians and the Arameans that the Chaldeans [blacks] were able to overthrow the Assyrian forces. Afterwards, they changed their names from being ‘Nabupolasser’ [Nabu-pul-asshur] to Nebuchad-nezzarites. Although both ‘Nabu’ and ‘Nebu’ refer to ‘black men’, this change is noted in many different written records about the past. Nebuchadnezzar became so famous that he was written into many ancient script all over the world. The modern day film; ‘Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon’ has one of its lead character’s as ‘Dark Cloud’ [the Hun] and this is actually a rendition of the one and only Nebuchad and the other past black men that dominated in the ancient east…I could go on and on and on…

Now I ask African Americans; how can the kjv Bible be so completely wrong if, in fact, my research is right!? Why would God-the-Creator hate Black men so much if he was the very one written to have chosen, let’s see…Nimrod [the mighty hunter before the Lord], AbraHam [the father of the faith], Saul-the-Ki****e [the handsome Cush-Benjamite, so tall, in which the average man came to his chest], David, [the Red brother] who jumped and judged Goliath-the-Gathite [white Shem] who mocked the Israelites in the presence of the Philistines-and-Palestines], Solomon [the son of Bathsheba; the beautiful black girl and, the king of Peace, so wise was he], king Nebuchadnezzar [Dark Cloud; the Chaldean that formed an incredible government and freed black people from white supremacy]… Could it be that the Bible has been Blasphemed? Could it be that the kind of Anti-Christians that came after the Christians saw an advantage to deceive?...How can the Bible be so bad if, in fact, my research is right and the Bible speaks for Black men and women and not against? Shouldn’t it make you think…Umh?...Well, what color is God-the-Creator if he kept choosing black man after black man and after black man to take the lead!?...Who is made in the aboriginal image of God-theCreator!?...And, is it God-the-Creator’s fault that the black man ‘dropped’ the Bible so that his enemy could pick it up and confuse!?...Think About it!





But king Solomon loved many strange women, together with the daughter of Pharaoh, women of the Moabites, Ammonites, Edomites, Zidonians, and Hittites;
For Solomon went after Ashtoreth the goddess of the Zidonians, and after Milcom the abomination of the Ammonites [1KINGS 11:1, 5]
And it came it came to pass, as if it had been a light thing for him [Ahab] to walk in the sins of Jeroboam the son of Nebat, that he took to wife Jezebel the daughter of Ethbaal king of the Zidonians, and went and served Baal, and worshipped him [KINGS 16:31].

Jezebel and the prophets of God that she slew…
1KINGS 18: 4, 13, 19


Black Cloud; Jen’s Lover—Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon
To pull off such a drama- and action-heavy film, Lee corralled some of the best Chinese talent in the world today. Though Jet Li was originally in discussions for the role of Mu Bai,…Finally, Cheng Pei-pei acquits herself quite well as Jade Fox, while Chang Chen …is likable as Jen's unlikely lover Black Cloud.
http://www.mediacircus.net/cthd.html


Dark Cloud; Jen’s Lover—Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon
“The dart that prevented Shu-Lien from capturing Jen came from a man named Lo…, who returns and asks Jen to leave with him. A flashback reveals that Lo is a desert bandit called Dark Cloud who had raided Jen's caravan and stolen her comb. Jen chased after him to get it back; Lo defeated and kidnapped her. However, they eventually fell in love. Lo convinced Jen to return to her family, though not before telling her a legend of a man who jumped off a cliff but did not die. Instead, his wishes came true.”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crouching_Tiger,_Hidden_Dragon

Thank you. I do agree.

This earth is shifting and doing some crazy things. I remember Hurricane Katrina and how 'the Bush administration' responded to those desperate people... and to watch it unfold on TV was so uncanny. Natural phenomenas that have already occurred such as that category 5 hurricane and more since then has made me alarmed. I wonder about this government and if they are telling us the whole truth about what's going on in our universe today. I don't know...

I also agree with you about the kjv Bible being translated and re-written many times. For this reason, I really love to see other people's viewpoints and read other books because I don't want to be close-minded about my own research.

I don't believe I've heard of 'the meta-physical Bible dictionary'. I'm interested now, though.


As long as you desire to gain knowledge your living...

With regard to the book I was able to order a copy from the library from another branch... so I have to go pick it up...

from what I understand it will help gain some understanding with regard to the meta-physical meaning of words contained in the bible.. also the tora... or any of the like where language can get confusing...

I can see tho that ur open.... just by the way your cross referencing the bible... astronomy and also mathematics....

it's not really about who's right and who's wrong... just continue to look for ur own light....

much love

chev:geek: i am comming to respond this is deep deep interesting ..

blessings and guidance for new revelation to you...


i had a strange prophetic dream .... maybe it has somthing to do with it ..

you might help me cause until now i dont know what its about but most of the time when i dreamed these kinds of dreams it was about big things that happend like for example tsunamy and 9 11......



continue studying:toast: big hug keep it up and hang on in there



love auroraflower:heart:

I SAID, "ABOUT 4 YEARS! DON'T YOU GET IT!?

The whole context of this research is based on 'about 4 years' and not based upon 'about ? months'. As I explained this. The New years for many civilizations are totally different. This prophecy is not based upon 'months' but 'THE STAR OF BETHLEHEM'! Neither the month of May nor June has never been 'a New Year' for Israel but evenstill, this research is NOT BASED UPON THE MONTH.

It is neither here nor there because Daniel did not make such a prophecy and the MAYAN prophecy came first. In addition, NO END OF DAYS will occur in 2012!

Who are you to say to me that because "you know that the Bible is NOT the word of God", it is a factual statement!? You are rejecting written records that have been recorded long before you were even a citizen of America. The Bible records have been recorded by men born on this earth. The Bible records have been translated by humans born on this earth. If America did not use this Bible to set up then, I would not care. But they did. Therefore, I base a lot statements on this fact.

I can say that I know the bible is not the word of God because IT IS NOT! Facts and logic prove that to be the case. You consider the Biblical account of Creation to be FACTUAL??? You consider the Great Flood of the bible to be FACTUAL???!! There are plenty of other things in the bible that contradict secular records, so why consider the bible the authority? I do not because they are ILLOGICAL, IRRATIONAL, AND IMPOSSIBLE according to the laws that our creator has put into motion on this planet.


You can keep your arrogance but, to discount my religious beliefs based upon 'fraud' in reference to research based upon facts is a legal matter. I based my research on the return of the planetary alignment of April 16/17 2002 and stated that it was reported on the local news. Just because you think you can come onto a "Black Message" board and harass me and commit fraud, still does not make it right. Just because you think you can do illegal acts against me because of 'who I am' does not mean it will be excused forever.


Please point out any Fraud or illegal acts I have committed so I may examine them. Thanks

Thank you.

yes. It struck kind of hard because, I have hope that I could share my research for the betterment and not for harm. I've not read a lot on this forum but, I actually benefited from some of the post that I've read of yours.

I realize that some African Americans and other African brothers and sisters in America, Africa and etc. resist 'white supremacy' and so do I. And, I just hope that I can put out a little info in hopes that it might 'be a good thing' for someone. I don't have a problem if my source is not liked but, I hope that I can at least be considered for trying to transfer a good message.

I was SOooo grateful for this site and this message board and to see an article a couple of days ago [last week] about the Former Secretary of State, Ms. Rice. if I did not give to this message board, I sure did get 'a good boost' from that article. And, for that I’m thankful. I've never been 'a republican' as I think she [Ms. Rice] may have had ties too so, I've never tuned into her past platform but, after reading the article posted, I am so grateful for her because I was able to use her statement in court to support my argument about America and their deception on 'Christianity', 'Slavery' and 'the Slave Trade'. They used their form of 'Christianity' to come against Black people. I pointed that out in court.

In addition and based upon my research with regards to 2012, I saw yesterday so many articles and television shows on 'the white man's view' on 'the end of the world' and also, their movies...it makes me sick. They base their research on ancient Chinese and the Mayan prophecy and etc. but, totally omit 'what I believe is' the Black man 'Jesus' and 'the Book of Daniel' of whom recorded about 'the end of the world'.

Based on my research...the white man’s shows are filled with lies...the Mayan date of December 21, 2012 is A LUNAR ECLIPSE! Lunar eclipses don't cause catastrophic occurrences such as TOTAL SOLAR ECLIPSE [A red moon versus a black moon]. What America is not teaching us is that a month prior to the December 2012, Mayan prophecy in December with regards to a Lunar eclipse is a TOTAL SOLAR ECLIPSE to occur in November 13, 2012! That is what the scientist of today present in their, scientific predictions, Calendars, meteor Calendars.. at their NASA sites and etc.! I've seen Lunar eclipses and the moon looks 'red' [or rust colored]. It looked like a big 3-dimensional orange balloon suspended in the sky [to me]. But in a total solar eclipse the moon and sun becomes 'as black as sack cloth'. I think this government is full of deception with their well paid television producers. They know what their 'well-paid' scientist are saying, yet, they put out deceptive movies to deceive. This Solar eclipse predicted to occur in November of 2012 will occur in the Southern Hemisphere.

When ‘a black moon’ occurs, it totally blocks the earth from getting energy from the sun for those few ‘seconds’ or ‘minutes’ or etc. It’s like putting a thick piece of rubber between ‘a refrigerator magnet’ and the refrigerator. The magnet will drop on the floor. That’s what happens when a BLACK MOON OCCURS. The planet earth [for example; ‘the magnet’] will become instable for those few seconds, minutes or etc. when ‘the new moon’ [black moon] blocks it from getting energy from the sun. Just before and after all ‘Total solar eclipses’ and with in the next few weeks of it, there will be ‘an earthquake, a tsunami or etc. to occur somewhere on this planet. When ‘a red moon’ occurs, it too causes planetary disturbances but not like a total solar eclipse.

Even though I've done many years of intense research and hope to lay out what I found in a much more detailed fashion in other forums [I hope] one day and, I want to throw a little of this info out to any Black man who might benefit from it. It would take me about three years to unload all that I’ve found. Based upon my research of the Bible with respect to names, word usage and an understanding of ‘reverse script formats’ I have found a lot of ‘Black History’ not expounded upon today. After this response, I'm going to share a little more. I’m going to call it; DID YOU KNOW and will list only a very small number of ancient black men I have found to be written about in the Bible. I have loads of resources other than the Bible and will list should anyone wants more info. I hope that you or anyone [of African descent] find it, at least interesting enough to look into it some more.

Peace.

I'd say meteor is probly the right term here....

Have you noticed that the stars have actually shifted to a higher elevation...

Most of the time our ancestors watched the sky over great periods of time... and recorded what they saw ......

also very interesting... red moon.... in fact, last june toward the end if u were watching the sky... u would have noticed that the moon was red for three nights....

What do you think of black holes????

It is neither here nor there because Daniel did not make such a prophecy and the MAYAN prophecy came first. In addition, NO END OF DAYS will occur in 2012!



I can say that I know the bible is not the word of God because IT IS NOT! Facts and logic prove that to be the case. You consider the Biblical account of Creation to be FACTUAL??? You consider the Great Flood of the bible to be FACTUAL???!! There are plenty of other things in the bible that contradict secular records, so why consider the bible the authority? I do not because they are ILLOGICAL, IRRATIONAL, AND IMPOSSIBLE according to the laws that our creator has put into motion on this planet.




Please point out any Fraud or illegal acts I have committed so I may examine them. Thanks


I'd have to agree with you that there will be no manifested end of the "world" persay in 2012....

I'd also have to agree with you that the "bible" is not the unadulterated "word of god" ....

God/Goddess is the conciousness ..... the very air that we manipulate... the words we speak are in all actuality the manipulation of the creative force...

the spoken word... your very speech and intent is the reflection of how you view god/goddess ....

that is why a wise individual is always mindful of what we say and the intent behind it.....

PEACE

I'd have to agree with you that there will be no manifested end of the "world" persay in 2012....

I'd also have to agree with you that the "bible" is not the unadulterated "word of god" ....

God/Goddess is the conciousness ..... the very air that we manipulate... the words we speak are in all actuality the manipulation of the creative force...

the spoken word... your very speech and intent is the reflection of how you view god/goddess ....

that is why a wise individual is always mindful of what we say and the intent behind it.....

PEACE

That's deep Miss Lady because if God/Goddess is the manipulation of our world then those who do evil are as much God/Goddess as those who do good. Each one of us and collectively we have the power to give life to Ma'at or Seth, the Messenger or the Trickster. .

In all this I am reminded of the Y2K scare. Remember some folks sold their property and moved out to live a subsistent life in the wilderness. They believed something terrible was going to happen and they put themselves in a position where they couldn't afford for nothing to happen, Maybe something would have happened if we hadn't taken steps to secure the power grid and mainframe computers. Who knows. But the end of the world is nothing one can prepare for.

It is neither here nor there because Daniel did not make such a prophecy and the MAYAN prophecy came first. In addition, NO END OF DAYS will occur in 2012!



I can say that I know the bible is not the word of God because IT IS NOT! Facts and logic prove that to be the case. You consider the Biblical account of Creation to be FACTUAL??? You consider the Great Flood of the bible to be FACTUAL???!! There are plenty of other things in the bible that contradict secular records, so why consider the bible the authority? I do not because they are ILLOGICAL, IRRATIONAL, AND IMPOSSIBLE according to the laws that our creator has put into motion on this planet.




Please point out any Fraud or illegal acts I have committed so I may examine them. Thanks


I've already done that and you know it.

:fyi:
The Bible wasn't written for you so, you would not understand it anyway. It was written for 'the Black man and woman'.

The Christians picked it up when the Black man dropped it but afterwards, the Anti-Christ got ahold of it and cannot understand it. You will never understand it because it was not written for you. So, why bother?

I'd say meteor is probly the right term here....

Have you noticed that the stars have actually shifted to a higher elevation...

Most of the time our ancestors watched the sky over great periods of time... and recorded what they saw ......

also very interesting... red moon.... in fact, last june toward the end if u were watching the sky... u would have noticed that the moon was red for three nights....

What do you think of black holes????


This is very good! Thanks!

No. I have not noticed that the stars have shifted to a higher elevation.

Red Moon--Yes. I did notice last year that the moon was red for a couple of consecutive nights! My son tried to explain it to me but, I just could not grasp what he was saying about it.

Black Holes--I've read up a little on it but, I'm not well versed on it. I believe there was a scientist named 'Chandra'[?] that did a lot of research on it before he died. The Hubble telescope and another instrument named after him took some pictures and presented some new research in connection with their idea on 'Black Holes'.

Eta Carinae--This is what I think is an ominous presence that makes me 'fear 'God'-the-Creator' more and more. Mankind can study but they have no control of what's out there! ...Scientist say that this star exploded about a thousand years ago and produced a cloud that can be seen by their instruments to be largen than our solar system. Based on their dates, this would have been around the same time that the ancient natives of American and the ancient Chinese recorded other 'star phenomena' such as the Star Explosion on JULY 4TH in A.D. 1054 and the Halley's Comet on January 6, 1066!

To me, Eta Carinae looks like a larger version of what 'the great city' will look like when it is predicted to be struck by a meteor shower. It's incredible that [what looks like] a tiny little star could produce such an enormous mass.

chev:geek: i am comming to respond this is deep deep interesting ..

blessings and guidance for new revelation to you...


i had a strange prophetic dream .... maybe it has somthing to do with it ..

you might help me cause until now i dont know what its about but most of the time when i dreamed these kinds of dreams it was about big things that happend like for example tsunamy and 9 11......



continue studying:toast: big hug keep it up and hang on in there



love auroraflower:heart:


[paraphrasing] ...Old men [and women] will dream dreams and young men will see visions...This is written about the last days somewhere in the Bible... I do believe you about your dreams...100%!

I remember some years ago when I was teaching middle school and I announced to the class that there was suppose to be an upcoming 'an eclipse' in the spring. A couple of days later in class, a young African American male student raised his hand and told me that he had a strange dream and, I paused to let him share it with the class:

He said that he saw in the night sky, the moon and then a something dark like a dark cloud passed by the moon and covered it completely and then, it happened two more times; three times total. He said that was the end of the dream and as he told the dream, he looked so drawn into what he was recounting. When he finished, a few of the students began to laugh at him but then, the rest of the class corrected their own peers themselves and got angry with the mockers. They acknowledge their classmate and all agreed that he had 'a real vision'. Then they all turned and asked me what I thought...It caught me off guard because the student was usually 'non-responsive' and 'hard to get on task'...until that point! I told them that I did not know but I thought it was definitely a vision. Later that afternoon, I told my family of the vision and left off from it after that...hours later, around 6:00 P.M., and as I was passing by my sons room, he opened the door and said to me, "Mom, I know what that kids' dream meant". Then he said,

"It meant that there is going to be three eclipses this year". Then, he closed his door and commenced to his playstation as if it was nothing!!! My mouth flew open and I continued walking to the back room and I heard the 6:00 News as I was came into the room...I stopped and listened to the news man say that, [paraphrasing] "this would be an unusual year"...He said that there would be at least two solar eclipses, one total solar eclipse and a total lunar eclipse and that it had not occurred as such for maybe a thousand years or so in that manner...

I never got to tell that young teenager that his vision was deciphered by yet, another African American young teenager like himself but, it still shocks me to this day. I've sinced realized that his vision was not about the two solar eclipses but it was about the fact that there was indeed three total lunar eclipses to occur in one year of which the scientist did say had not happened in over thousands of years in that manner. However, if the actual scientific calendar is not considered, the detailed accuracy of his vision is not understood.

MARCH 21-23--This is the Scientific NEW YEAR. It is the month of the SPRING EQUINOX. So there was; (1) a total Lunar eclipse in March of that year then, (2) there was another total Lunar eclipse in August and then, (3) there was the last one to occur in February 20 and this one was the most amazing to me. It was straight overhead at a 180 degree angle and lasted for about an hour or so. A couple of hours later, there was an earthquake in the western parts of America and etc.! The month of February was a major month of celebration for over thousands of years in the ancient days because it was the last month of the year.

I believe that we are being prepared for things to come!...Because this government is surely not going to do it!

So, keep believing in your dreams and visions.

I've already done that and you know it.

:fyi:
The Bible wasn't written for you so, you would not understand it anyway. It was written for 'the Black man and woman'.

The Christians picked it up when the Black man dropped it but afterwards, the Anti-Christ got ahold of it and cannot understand it. You will never understand it because it was not written for you. So, why bother?

Are you trying to say I am not Black or I am not a Man?...lol

Here you go with the hostility because a person can mount a decent explanation for nonsense that they offer as "prophecy" from the bible.

Well, without being insulting, or hostile let me just say this. I UNDERSTAND the bible in its ENTIRETY. That is why I KNOW it is NOT THE WORD OF GOD. I am not sure if it is a defense mechanism that the slave masters enstilled in us to claim that a person that finds the bible to be untruthful is IGNORANT OR STUPID when it comes to the bible. Or, it is an OFFENSIVE move that is supposed to place the dissenter on the defensive? Whichever the case may be, it is highly INEFFECTIVE. I am WELL VERSED in the bible just as Keita, RU, Meta, and a host of others on here that know the TRUTH about the bible. So, you are welcome to say what is necessary for you to make it seem as if I don't know what I am talking about...but ANYTIME you want to learn some more about your precious bible, then ask one of us who have put EXTENSIVE time, energy, thought, and diligence into those things that have been stolen, changed, rearranged, corrupted, or made up in your precious book.

Peace and Love.

Are you trying to say I am not Black or I am not a Man?...lol

Here you go with the hostility because a person can mount a decent explanation for nonsense that they offer as "prophecy" from the bible.

Well, without being insulting, or hostile let me just say this. I UNDERSTAND the bible in its ENTIRETY. That is why I KNOW it is NOT THE WORD OF GOD....
Peace and Love.


If the Bible is for 'the Black man', it is ridiculous to go against it. It's like Jesus said when he was accused of being Satan, [paraphrasing], 'why would I caste out demons if I am Satan'. A house cannot stand if it is divided against itself.

The Bible is written for the Black man and you spend all of your time sounding like 'a robot' and speaking collectively against it. You most certainly cannot be a black man.

Do you know what a psychological test it?

Earlier and before you responded, I posted a little research about the Black man's presence in the kjv Bible...and you did not even think twice about it before you moved to repeat...and repeat...and repeat...your claim against the Bible...

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This is a copy of what I posted earlier--

DID YOU KNOW:

Nimrod [Rod-Dor; Dorian]---[Nim-Min; Minoans]
That ‘God’, the Creator chose Nimrod, ‘a Black man’ to be the king and blessed him to head up a great incredible civilization that would extend 1000s of years beyond his lifetime?

AbraHam [Abram; Ram] [Ram or Khnum; Cush Ham of Thebes and Nubia]
That God-the-Creator, chose Abraham because he was part-Ram meaning ‘Black-Ham’. He came from a black woman of the Hurrian civilization in Mesopotamia. And because Terah his father embraced the Assyrians [white Syrians], God made a division between Abram and his father and told Abraham never to go back to Assyria for this reason?

King Saul [son of Kish] [Kish-ite, Turkish, Kush…Black Ham]
That it was God-the-Creator that chose King Saul of the tribe of Benjamin to be Israel’s 1st king! Saul was part-Cush Ham! He was a tall, black man and part of his problem with fighting against the Philistines and Kenites was because he shared a blood connection. Due to a civil war long before the birth of Saul, the Benjamites of whom lost against a combined Israelite force were given virgins from the Philistines border and this was how Saul became linked to Kush Ham [Cush-Ham]. But because Saul would not fight off the Philistines of whom had ‘white Greek’ leaders [Palestines; the Lords of the Philistines] to mock them, it was written that God-the-Creator regretted that he chose Saul and then shoes ‘The Red Brother’ [King David].

Solomon [king of Peace] [Solomon, Shalom, Salome, Salem…peace]
That God-the-Creator blessed Solomon. King David put his own son, Solomon on the throne and Solomon was ‘black skinned’. But later, the Black prophets wrote that God-the-Creator told Solomon that he was going to take the kingdom away from him because he put Hittite [white queens] on his throne at the equal level as the daughters of the land. Solomon was blamed for the later problems that befell the Israelites of whom became overthrown by the Assyrians [White Shur].

Jezebel [Jezebel means ‘Southern Belle’; daughter of Ethbaal; a white man]
King Ahab’s high queen was Jezebel, a white woman, ‘a Southern Belle’ meaning, she was from Southern Assyria or, Syria. Her father was the king of Zidon and the Zidonians were ‘white Canaanites’. Jezebel killed about a hundred Israelite prophets and the others were hid from her by other priest. She indoctrinated about 450 Baal priest [white priest] in the Capitol of Israel in Samaria. The prophet Elijah-the-Tisbite came from an area in which many Israelites had inter-mingled white people [Gilead] and he returned the deed and slew the Baal priest of Jezebel. So, she pursued him. Also, God-the-Creator was not pleased with Elijah so, he later turned over his priesthood to Elishah for this. Ahab though, was judged for putting Jezebel up as his high queen because she exploited the Israelites. Her relative was also the only queen of Jerusalem and she too exploited the Israelites and was judged.

Nebuchadnezzar [Nezzar; Nessarite, Nasserite, Nazareth…]
King Nebuchadnezzar means ‘Dark Cloud-the Nazerite’ and he was a Chaldean [Chaldean means black] just like his ancient ancestor Nimrod. In the Book of Daniel, Jesus called him ‘the golden king’ and head of ‘the golden empire’; the best government on the face of this earth. Jesus [the Ancient of Days] also referred to Cush Ham as being the best men on the face of this earth. The Chaldeans were dominated and captive along with the scattered Ten Tribes [Israel] byway of the Assyrian Empire system. They were dominated by the aboriginal Amorites [Moors] and Phoenicians of North Africa that were apart of the Assyrian military. The family of men of Nebuchadnezzar were somehow able to reform an ancient bond with Phut-Ham and it was by this renewed brotherhood bond that became known as ‘the Turkish-Moors’ and with the help of other significant men linked with the Persians and the Arameans that the Chaldeans were able to overthrow the Assyrian forces. Afterwards, they changed their names from being ‘Nabupolasser’ [Nabu-pul-asshur] to Nebuchad-nezzarites. Although both ‘Nabu’ and ‘Nebu’ refer to ‘black men’, this change is noted in many different written records about the past. Nebuchadnezzar became so famous that he was written into many ancient script all over the world. The modern day film; ‘Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon’ has one of its lead character’s as ‘Dark Cloud’ [the Hun] and this is actually a rendition of the one and only Nebuchad and the other past black men that dominated in the ancient east…I could go on and on and on…

Now I ask African Americans; how can the kjv Bible be so completely wrong if, in fact, my research is right!? Why would God-the-Creator hate Black men so much if he was the very one written to have chosen, let’s see…Nimrod [the mighty hunter before the Lord], AbraHam [the father of the faith], Saul-the-Kish-ite [the handsome Cush-Benjamite, so tall, in which the average man came to his chest], David, [the Red brother] who jumped and judged Goliath-the-Gathite [white Shem] who mocked the Israelites in the presence of the Philistines-and-Palestines], Solomon [the son of Bathsheba; the beautiful black girl and, the king of Peace, so wise was he], king Nebuchadnezzar [Dark Cloud; the Chaldean that formed an incredible government and freed black people from white supremacy]… Could it be that the Bible has been Blasphemed? Could it be that the kind of Anti-Christians that came after the Christians saw an advantage to deceive?...How can the Bible be so bad if, in fact, my research is right and the Bible speaks for Black men and women and not against? Shouldn’t it make you think…Umh?...Well, what color is God-the-Creator if he kept choosing black man after black man and after black man to take the lead!?...Who is made in the aboriginal image of God-theCreator!?...And, is it God-the-Creator’s fault that the black man ‘dropped’ the Bible so that his enemy could pick it up and confuse!?...Think About it!


But king Solomon loved many strange women, together with the daughter of Pharaoh, women of the Moabites, Ammonites, Edomites, Zidonians, and Hittites;

For Solomon went after Ashtoreth the goddess of the Zidonians, and after Milcom the abomination of the Ammonites [1KINGS 11:1, 5]

And it came it came to pass, as if it had been a light thing for him [Ahab] to walk in the sins of Jeroboam the son of Nebat, that he took to wife Jezebel the daughter of Ethbaal king of the Zidonians, and went and served Baal, and worshipped him [KINGS 16:31].

Jezebel and the prophets of God that she slew…
1KINGS 18: 4, 13, 19

[B]Black Cloud; Jen’s Lover—Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon
To pull off such a drama- and action-heavy film, Lee corralled some of the best Chinese talent in the world today. Though Jet Li was originally in discussions for the role of Mu Bai,…Finally, Cheng Pei-pei acquits herself quite well as Jade Fox, while Chang Chen …is likable as Jen's unlikely lover Black Cloud.
http://www.mediacircus.net/cthd.html


Dark Cloud; Jen’s Lover—Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon
“The dart that prevented Shu-Lien from capturing Jen came from a man named Lo…, who returns and asks Jen to leave with him. A flashback reveals that Lo is a desert bandit called Dark Cloud who had raided Jen's caravan and stolen her comb. Jen chased after him to get it back; Lo defeated and kidnapped her. However, they eventually fell in love. Lo convinced Jen to return to her family, though not before telling her a legend of a man who jumped off a cliff but did not die. Instead, his wishes came true.”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crouchi..._Hidden_Dragon

in my stage of conscousness I will not allow your superstitious rhetoric to overthink me with fear snd dislogic.

You do yourself a great disservice by failing to expand your own mental horizons...

Hotep, Fine:qqb015:

JC will not be returning to this plane of existence because he never was...:smash:

Hotep, Fine:qqb015:

If the Bible is for 'the Black man', it is ridiculous to go against it. It's like Jesus said when he was accused of being Satan, [paraphrasing], 'why would I caste out demons if I am Satan'. A house cannot stand if it is divided against itself.

The Bible is written for the Black man and you spend all of your time sounding like 'a robot' and speaking collectively against it. You most certainly cannot be a black man.

The bible was STOLEN from our ancestors...BUT NEVER FOR US! Which robot am I sounding like? Which religion would you ASSUME I am programmed by if I sound so much like my programmer?

Do you know what a psychological test it?

Earlier and before you responded, I posted a little research about the Black man's presence in the kjv Bible...and you did not even think twice about it before you moved to repeat...and repeat...and repeat...your claim against the Bible...

I don't have to think twice about information I have ALREADY EXAMINED. Do you believe you dispersed some info that is NEW to us? My claim will continue to go against the bible because it is error ridden, stolen, corrupted, and down right WRONG!

What pops off in 2012? Destruction, cahos, mayhem or another dark age. Or a second coming or a messiah. Or 4 Horsemen.

JC will not be returning to this plane of existence because he never was...:smash:

Hotep, Fine:qqb015:

Why are you so bothered then?

We will all find out by 2013!!!

The bible was STOLEN from our ancestors...BUT NEVER FOR US! Which robot am I sounding like? Which religion would you ASSUME I am programmed by if I sound so much like my programmer?



I don't have to think twice about information I have ALREADY EXAMINED. Do you believe you dispersed some info that is NEW to us? My claim will continue to go against the bible because it is error ridden, stolen, corrupted, and down right WRONG!

it's not for you. Why are you so bothered by this thread?

it's not for you. Why are you so bothered by this thread?

I agree it is not for me...in fact it shouldn't be for any person of african desent. I am not bothered by thread per se, but, as you will find is the case for many of us, ANYTHING THAT IS NOT TRUTH will get challenged. Please don't take it personally, it is about the info, not about you.


Peace and Love

I agree it is not for me...in fact it shouldn't be for any person of african desent. I am not bothered by thread per se, but, as you will find is the case for many of us, ANYTHING THAT IS NOT TRUTH will get challenged. Please don't take it personally, it is about the info, not about you.


Peace and Love

Yes but, challenge the thread!

You are not challenging the thread, you just making statements.

DANIEL 7:25 and DANIEL 12:6-7 is what this thread is based upon.

488 BC, is the first year of the reign of king Belshazzar and 'a times, times and a half [2500] years from that date is the year:

**************2012***************

You are not challenging me, in essence, your are challenging ancient script!

Like Goerge Washington, Thomas Jefferson, Julius Caesar, Caesar Augustus, Martin Luther King, Jr., Malcholm X . . . and Adolf Hitler . . . Daniel-the-prophet was a man, born, lived, wrote and died. Your rejecting script that was bound [legally] because USA used this to set up their government for about 200 years.

Yes but, challenge the thread!

You are not challenging the thread, you just making statements.

DANIEL 7:25 and DANIEL 12:6-7 is what this thread is based upon.

488 BC, is the first year of the reign of king Belshazzar and 'a times, times and a half [2500] years from that date is the year:

**************2012***************

You are not challenging me, in essence, your are challenging ancient script!

Like Goerge Washington, Thomas Jefferson, Julius Caesar, Caesar Augustus, Martin Luther King, Jr., Malcholm X . . . and Adolf Hitler . . . Daniel-the-prophet was a man, born, lived, wrote and died. Your rejecting script that was bound [legally] because USA used this to set up their government for about 200 years.


You are correct I am not challenging you. I am glad you recognize that. As far as the script goes that is the first and only thing that I challenged. The prophecy comes AFTER THE MAYAN PROPHECY...if it were a true prophecy.

Yes Daniel was a man, born, lived and wrote...but here is the problem..

Who was the prophet Daniel?

The life of the prophet Daniel is recorded in the book that shares his name. Daniel means "God is my judge." There is not much know about the early years of his life, but he appears to have been of the upper class, perhaps even from a royal family. It is recorded that he was taken to Babylon as a teenager in 605 B.C.

He began service to the royal court and abstained from unclean food (Daniel 1:8-16). Three years later, Daniel was brought before the King to interpret the King's dream. The king was pleased and made Daniel "ruler over the whole province of Babylon" and "chief prefect over all the wise men of Babylon" (Daniel 2:48). In Chapter 4, we learn that Daniel interpreted another of Nebuchadnezzar's dreams.

So, if he lived in 605 that makes him about 120 years old OR he had a dream about something that happened more than a century before his so called prophecy.

Ancient history...as well as modern history SHOULD BE CHALLENGE SO WE CAN KNOW THE TRUTH RATHER THAN WHAT THE LIES THAT THEY PERPETUATE.

Peace and Love

You are correct I am not challenging you. I am glad you recognize that. As far as the script goes that is the first and only thing that I challenged. The prophecy comes AFTER THE MAYAN PROPHECY...if it were a true prophecy.

Yes Daniel was a man, born, lived and wrote...but here is the problem..

Who was the prophet Daniel?

The life of the prophet Daniel is recorded in the book that shares his name. Daniel means "God is my judge." There is not much know about the early years of his life, but he appears to have been of the upper class, perhaps even from a royal family. It is recorded that he was taken to Babylon as a teenager in 605 B.C.

He began service to the royal court and abstained from unclean food (Daniel 1:8-16). Three years later, Daniel was brought before the King to interpret the King's dream. The king was pleased and made Daniel "ruler over the whole province of Babylon" and "chief prefect over all the wise men of Babylon" (Daniel 2:48). In Chapter 4, we learn that Daniel interpreted another of Nebuchadnezzar's dreams.

So, if he lived in 605 that makes him about 120 years old OR he had a dream about something that happened more than a century before his so called prophecy.

Ancient history...as well as modern history SHOULD BE CHALLENGE SO WE CAN KNOW THE TRUTH RATHER THAN WHAT THE LIES THAT THEY PERPETUATE.

Peace and Love

Care to give a quote and source to your statement about the Mayan?

Care to give a date for your statement about the Mayans backed up by a source?

605 B.C.-----!?

How can this be true when the Jews were driven into captivity in 545 BC!?

the Bible timeline is exact. In fact, it is so precise that if one year is off, the whole Bible is wrong.

4022 BC-------Creation of Adam
4012 BC-------Life; Adam given the breath of life
3882 BC----- birth of Seth
1436 BC----- Exodus, September 14
956 BC----- Solomon lays the temple, 4th year of reign
************** October 15
662 BC----- Fall of Northern Israel
545 BC----- Fall of Southern Israel
475 BC----- death of Belshazzar; end of 70 year period of Captivity
*******many, but not all Jews went back; Daniel remained
453 BC------ First year king Darius; 62 years old
332 BC----- Alexander-the-great overthrows Persia
AD 2------- Star of Bethlehem, April 17
AD 66----- 1st Jewish Revolt
AD 70----- Destruction of Jewish temple
AD 80----- Completion of Roman Colieseum
AD 90----- Consummation of 7 Churches of God in Turkey
AD 300s---Beginning of Mayan Classic Period
*********Mayan's record end of world prophecy!!!
AD 433---Destruction of Rome/Invasion of Huns
AD 476--- End of exhibition in Roman Coliseum
AD 510--- Justinian period...
AD 2002-- April 17---Return of Star of Bethlehem in 2000 year Planetary alignment

Many of the Biblical dates agree with College classes, all historical records published, although it has been thwarted by use of secular timelines

Daniel's time period agrees with college books!

Care to give a quote and source to your statement about the Mayan?

Care to give a date for your statement about the Mayans backed up by a source?

605 B.C.-----!?

How can this be true when the Jews were driven into captivity in 545 BC!?

the Bible timeline is exact. In fact, it is so precise that if one year is off, the whole Bible is wrong.

4022 BC-------Creation of Adam
4012 BC-------Life; Adam given the breath of life
3882 BC----- birth of Seth
1436 BC----- Exodus, September 14
956 BC----- Solomon lays the temple, 4th year of reign
************** October 15
662 BC----- Fall of Northern Israel
545 BC----- Fall of Southern Israel
475 BC----- death of Belshazzar; end of 70 year period of Captivity
*******many, but not all Jews went back; Daniel remained
453 BC------ First year king Darius; 62 years old
332 BC----- Alexander-the-great overthrows Persia
AD 2------- Star of Bethlehem, April 17
AD 66----- 1st Jewish Revolt
AD 70----- Destruction of Jewish temple
AD 80----- Completion of Roman Colieseum
AD 90----- Consummation of 7 Churches of God in Turkey
AD 300s---Beginning of Mayan Classic Period
*********Mayan's record end of world prophecy!!!
AD 433---Destruction of Rome/Invasion of Huns
AD 476--- End of exhibition in Roman Coliseum
AD 510--- Justinian period...
AD 2002-- April 17---Return of Star of Bethlehem in 2000 year Planetary alignment

Many of the Biblical dates agree with College classes, all historical records published, although it has been thwarted by use of secular timelines

Daniel's time period agrees with college books!

How can Adam be created WITHOUT HAVING LIFE? When is Daniel"s supposed prophecy? And there are a couple of other mistakes that I will address as soon as I get a chance.

Peace and Love.

How can Adam be created WITHOUT HAVING LIFE? When is Daniel"s supposed prophecy? And there are a couple of other mistakes that I will address as soon as I get a chance.

Peace and Love.


As I stated earlier, the Bible timeline is CYCLIC precise. Without the advent of THE STAR OF BETHLEHEM, there is no way to confirm the Bible. That is one reason why in times past, many could not confirm the Bible. The Roman lawmakers 'changed the dates and times' but because of the return of THE STAR OF BETHLEHEM in the only planetary alignment in 2000 years to include all of the planet in A.D. April 17, 2002, it was confirmed that our American Calendars are off by 'two years'.

[1] So, to answer your question in terms of 'How can Adam be created WITHOUT HAVING LIFE?

There is a time gap of 'ten years' [10 years] between his creation and when he was given 'THE BREATH OF LIFE'! This is confirmed based upon many dates and events, one in particular is 'DEDICATION OF THE TEMPLE OF GOD' during the life of King Darius, the Mede, another would be the advent of THE STAR OF BETHLEHEM, another would be the overthrow of Persia by Alexander-the-great prophesized in the Book of DANIEL, another would be the destruction of the temple by the Roman Empire, another realy important date would be the birth year of Joseph, the time when Solomon laid the foundation of the first temple of God, another would be king David's birthday and etc. The most specific date that proves this 'ten year time gap' revolves around the birth year of AbraHam, the founding father of the faith. If his birth is off by one year, then the whole entire Bible time cyclic is completely off.

[2] Concerning your question about Daniel's prophecy;

That was the whole basis of this very thread.

488 B.C.

I left out many dates in the timeline I presented. The Bible timelines starts with Adam and goes through a line of men up to Noah. Then it takes off from Shem and goes up to AbraHam. Then it picks up with Isaac and etc.

Based upon the Book of Daniel [Chap 7] the prophecy of Daniel occurred in the first year of the reign of king Belshazzar and that was 488 B.C.


488 B.C. + 2500 years = A.D. 2012



545 B.C. ----- The Fall of Southern Israel [Jewry] by king Nebuchadnezzar
488 B.C. ----- The 1st year of the reign of Beshazzar [Nebuchad's son]
475 B.C. ----- Belshazzar was slain
475 B.C. ----- Cyrus-the-great issues a written decree ending 70 year period of captivity. Many but not all Jews went back to Jerusalem
474 B.C. ----- King Artaxerxes I [the king of kings], stops the edict of Cyrus; Jews were ordered to stop the contruction of the second temple of God
453 B.C. ----- 1st year of the reign of Darius-the-great at the age of 62; This is the second time Daniel had the vision about 'the end of the world'; Darius is the son of Artaxerxes I [Xerxes I also known as Ahaseurus]. Sometimes he is confused with Xerxes I in regards to the Battle of Marathon and the Battle at Thermopylae recorded in college books. But this easily confirmed by Queen Esther's marriage to Xerxes I.


In college books, Xerxes I of the Medo-Persian Empire is acknowledge to be the husband of the Jewish Queen Esther. The Bible was 'sealed up' by the prophest like Daniel meaning, it was written so the adversary would not be able to manipulate and obstruct the records until the STAR OF BETHLEHEM CAME THROUGH. Therefore, you have to read all of the books of the Bible in order to get the dates given for the reign of Cyrus, Daruis, Xerxes I, Xerxes II and etc. The Book of Esther tells one part, the Book of Ezra gives account and so forth. Daniel did not record it all. Another author wrote about the completion of the temple of God that the Roman later destroyed in A.D. 70.

The second temple of God was completed six years after the reign of king Darius. The account of Cyrus has confused many because unless the government of Medo-Persia is understood, the fact Cyrus took orders from Xerxes I is mis-understood. Cyrus controlled Babylon until Darius later took control. Although Xerxes 'bullied' Cyrus, he backed down off of his son Darius of whom year later re-instated the decree of Cyrus and ordered the construction of the temple to resume.

The Medo-Persian empire conflicted over 'the color issue' and was the basis for the conflict between Cyrus I, Cambyses I and Cyrus II [Cyrus-the-great]. The Persian account of Cyrus II is fascinating...

If you think you have found mistakes then, I will try to respond.

You will have to define "CREATION" AND "BREATH OF LIFE", because it is not making sense how Adam was CREATED and yet DID NOT HAVE THE BREATH OF LIFE.

You will have to define "CREATION" AND "BREATH OF LIFE", because it is not making sense how Adam was CREATED and yet DID NOT HAVE THE BREATH OF LIFE.

Based upon the time line [time cycle], I counted and counted and counted . . ..

I counted forward and then I counted backwards. I started with Adam and through much labor, I counted forward all the way to the EXODUS. Then I started with the Roman Empire and The Star of Bethlehem and counted all the way backwards. Then I zeroed in on specific points that correlated such as the major events of AbraHam's life and no matter what . . . there was a ten year difference.

When I counted one way, I got 4012 B.C. and then, when I counted the other way, I got 4022 B.C. Other than this, the dates are precise all the way to this very day. From AD 2, the appearance of the STAR and backwards to Adams Creation, there are no gaps. From AD 2 and forward up to the the return of the star alignment, there are not gaps. The only gap is between 4022 and 4012. So my answer rest here.



The Bible synchronizes time in certain scriptures such as in 1 KINGS 6 when it states that there was a 480 year gap between the EXODUS and when SOLOMON laid the foundation of the first temple of God.

The Bible synchronozes time when it states the exact date that Noah went into the ark and even his age. But here was the first indication of the ten year difference. Even though there is no gap [with respect to the year] from Adam up to Noah, there is a time gap of ten years. But it was not obvious until I continued to count up to the time of the Exodus.

Then, I counted all of the birthdates and deaths from Shem up to Abraham, Sarah, Isaac, Jacob [Israel], Joseph, and Moses and correlated it with the other scriptures and it become clear that there are no time gaps.

The Bible synchronizes time when it states the exact period of captivity as being 430 years and to the very day they came in and went to be 430 years.

The Bible synchronizes time in the account of the reign of the kings, even if they only ruled for 3-months.

The Bible synchronize time a lot in the Book of DANIEL, for example the prophecy of 2300 years, 1290 years, 1335 years [the Black Plague] of which was 'a day for a year prophecy'.

The Bible synchronize time when Ezekiel spoke about the yearly slave ship voyages of which my great grandmother was certainly on for 'a year' as she was brought from the Port of Sudan in the 1800s from East Africa. . .

The Bible synchronized itself in AD 2 when the STAR appeared and this was not confirmed until this day in AD 2002, April 17. Therefore, there are no time gaps between AD 2 to AD 2002!

For this reason, the time gap of ten years can be determined to occur before AD 2. And there is no gap of time [with respect to a year] except for when Adam was created. So again, my answer rest here. This is the only time gap in the whole entire Bible. Try it for yourself. You'll see.

Therefore, my conclusion of the time gap between 4022 BC and 4012 BC is logic and that 'GOD' IS THE CREATOR! He created Adam and then the Bible states that he gave Adam the breath of life. That is the best that I can do.

The Bible has no time gaps [with respect to the year] except for that time period of 4022 BC and 4012 BC. Beyond this, I have no other explanation to offer to this time cycle except that I have contrasted and compared and I know that it is precise up to this point of 4022 BC and 4012 BC.

Based upon the time line [time cycle], I counted and counted and counted . . ..

I counted forward and then I counted backwards. I started with Adam and through much labor, I counted forward all the way to the EXODUS. Then I started with the Roman Empire and The Star of Bethlehem and counted all the way backwards. Then I zeroed in on specific points that correlated such as the major events of AbraHam's life and no matter what . . . there was a ten year difference.

When I counted one way, I got 4012 B.C. and then, when I counted the other way, I got 4022 B.C. Other than this, the dates are precise all the way to this very day. From AD 2, the appearance of the STAR and backwards to Adams Creation, there are no gaps. From AD 2 and forward up to the the return of the star alignment, there are not gaps. The only gap is between 4022 and 4012. So my answer rest here.



The Bible synchronizes time in certain scriptures such as in 1 KINGS 6 when it states that there was a 480 year gap between the EXODUS and when SOLOMON laid the foundation of the first temple of God.

The Bible synchronozes time when it states the exact date that Noah went into the ark and even his age. But here was the first indication of the ten year difference. Even though there is no gap [with respect to the year] from Adam up to Noah, there is a time gap of ten years. But it was not obvious until I continued to count up to the time of the Exodus.

Then, I counted all of the birthdates and deaths from Shem up to Abraham, Sarah, Isaac, Jacob [Israel], Joseph, and Moses and correlated it with the other scriptures and it become clear that there are no time gaps.

The Bible synchronizes time when it states the exact period of captivity as being 430 years and to the very day they came in and went to be 430 years.

The Bible synchronizes time in the account of the reign of the kings, even if they only ruled for 3-months.

The Bible synchronize time a lot in the Book of DANIEL, for example the prophecy of 2300 years, 1290 years, 1335 years [the Black Plague] of which was 'a day for a year prophecy'.

The Bible synchronize time when Ezekiel spoke about the yearly slave ship voyages of which my great grandmother was certainly on for 'a year' as she was brought from the Port of Sudan in the 1800s from East Africa. . .

The Bible synchronized itself in AD 2 when the STAR appeared and this was not confirmed until this day in AD 2002, April 17. Therefore, there are no time gaps between AD 2 to AD 2002!

For this reason, the time gap of ten years can be determined to occur before AD 2. And there is no gap of time [with respect to a year] except for when Adam was created. So again, my answer rest here. This is the only time gap in the whole entire Bible. Try it for yourself. You'll see.

Therefore, my conclusion of the time gap between 4022 BC and 4012 BC is logic and that 'GOD' IS THE CREATOR! He created Adam and then the Bible states that he gave Adam the breath of life. That is the best that I can do.

The Bible has no time gaps [with respect to the year] except for that time period of 4022 BC and 4012 BC. Beyond this, I have no other explanation to offer to this time cycle except that I have contrasted and compared and I know that it is precise up to this point of 4022 BC and 4012 BC.

Let us stop running in circles. You will not employ your common sense when dealing with the bible because you BELIEVE IT to be the word of God. This causes you to discard any and all information that is to the contrary. Part of this information that you choose to disregard is YOUR OWN ABILITY TO REASON! There is NO WAY to reconcile how Adam was created...BUT DIDN'T HAVE THE BREATH OF LIFE! NONE period! So, rather than draw a different conclusion that is MORE REASONABLE, you choose to continue to believe this unbelievably flawed book and just say you don't have an answer.

Just a couple...to get started. The earth could not be created BEFORE the sun...and have light on it. Heaven is not on earth (the biblical heaven). The first man is almost 200,000 years old...so WHO IS ADAM if not the first man? How do you account for all of the contradictions in the bible?

So, finally...Do you believe you are going to HELL if you do not believe in the bible?

Let us stop running in circles. You will not employ your common sense when dealing with the bible because you BELIEVE IT to be the word of God. This causes you to discard any and all information that is to the contrary. Part of this information that you choose to disregard is YOUR OWN ABILITY TO REASON! There is NO WAY to reconcile how Adam was created...BUT DIDN'T HAVE THE BREATH OF LIFE! NONE period! So, rather than draw a different conclusion that is MORE REASONABLE, you choose to continue to believe this unbelievably flawed book and just say you don't have an answer.

Just a couple...to get started. The earth could not be created BEFORE the sun...and have light on it. Heaven is not on earth (the biblical heaven). The first man is almost 200,000 years old...so WHO IS ADAM if not the first man? How do you account for all of the contradictions in the bible?

So, finally...Do you believe you are going to HELL if you do not believe in the bible?

You sound like the slave masters that taught my ancestors on the slave yard. I REASONED between 4022 BC and 4012 BC and will not add to written records in the Bible written thousands of years before I was born. You have a human right to your REASONING and so do I. What ever happened between 4022 BC and 4012 BC has nothing to do with me ultimately. But other than that ten year time gap, the Bible is precise. It has been used to set up this government, it has been used to kill and enslave and therefore, it is up to the Creator if this government will pay for what they did.

we will find out in about 4 years!!!

with regards to your statements about the creation of the earth versus the sun . . . where are your quotes and sources to back this up! You never offered any to back up your false statements about the Mayan prophecy either. where are your sources to back up your 200,000 year old man! you sound so ridiculous.

It's not about 'belief' only, its about facts. Its about this government of whom changed government in 1776 and outlawed the Bible so that African Americans cannot 'MAKE A CHOICE FOR THEMSELVES' on the factual records in the Bible concerning the ROMAN EMPIRE of whom suppressed BLACK PEOPLE and ENSLAVED BLACK PEOPLE and convinced them TO VOTE and PETITION against a man of their own inheritance.

we will know by 2013 if the Bible is truth or not. It will confirm itself on its own merit.

Now, I'm waiting for your sources and references to prove me...

You sound like the slave masters that taught my ancestors on the slave yard. I REASONED between 4022 BC and 4012 BC and will not add to written records in the Bible written thousands of years before I was born. You have a human right to your REASONING and so do I. What ever happened between 4022 BC and 4012 BC has nothing to do with me ultimately. But other than that ten year time gap, the Bible is precise. It has been used to set up this government, it has been used to kill and enslave and therefore, it is up to the Creator if this government will pay for what they did.

we will find out in about 4 years!!!

with regards to your statements about the creation of the earth versus the sun . . . where are your quotes and sources to back this up! You never offered any to back up your false statements about the Mayan prophecy either. where are your sources to back up your 200,000 year old man! you sound so ridiculous.

It's not about 'belief' only, its about facts. Its about this government of whom changed government in 1776 and outlawed the Bible so that African Americans cannot 'MAKE A CHOICE FOR THEMSELVES' on the factual records in the Bible concerning the ROMAN EMPIRE of whom suppressed BLACK PEOPLE and ENSLAVED BLACK PEOPLE and convinced them TO VOTE and PETITION against a man of their own inheritance.

we will know by 2013 if the Bible is truth or not. It will confirm itself on its own merit.

Now, I'm waiting for your sources and references to prove me...

First, let me ask why " and will not add to written records in the Bible written thousands of years before I was born" Why not? It was written by men who STOLE it from US.

Now as far as the facts go...you have given no sources either. YOU said that YOU counted AND THERE ARE PLENTY OF HISTORIANS THAT DISAGREE WITH YOUR DATES ON THINGS.

Daniel served as part of the royal court of King Nebuchadnezzar, who reigned in Babylon from 605 - 562 B.C.

Belshazzar was the son of Nabonidus, who after ruling only three years, went to the oasis of Tayma and devoted himself to the worship of the moon god, Sin. He made Belshazzar co-regent in 553 B.C., leaving him in charge of Babylon's defense.[1]-- The Verse Account of Nabonidus (Historian)

In the year 540 B.C. Nabonidus returned from Tayma, hoping to defend his kingdom from the Persians who were planning to advance on Babylon. In 538 B.C. Belshazzar was positioned in the city of Babylon to hold the capital, while Nabonidus, marched his troops north to meet Cyrus. On October 10, 539 B.C. Nabonidus surrendered and fled from Cyrus. Two days later, October 12, 539 B.C., the Persian armies overthrew the city of Babylon. -- Ancient Mesopotamia-- Leo Oppenhiem and Jewish Encyclopedia

See the differences in Dates?



Preclassic

The Maya area was initially inhabited around the 10th century BC. Recent discoveries of Maya occupation at Cuello in Belize have been carbon dated to around 2600 BC.[3][4] This level of occupation included monumental structures. The Maya calendar, which is based around the so-called Mesoamerican Long Count calendar, commences on a date equivalent to 11 August, 3114 BC. --Micheal Coe (expert on Mayan civilization)

This CALENDER contains the December 21, 2012 prophecy THOUSANDS of years before DANIEL was born...now you have ONE of the MANY sources.


As for the source for the Earth being created BEFORE the sun...and having light...ARE YOU SERIOUS?

You need a source to confirm that the SUN IS THE ONLY SOURCE OF LIGHT FOR EARTH????

For the oldest humans...

Scientists have identified the remains of the oldest known modern humans. They are nearly 200,000-year-old skulls from Ethiopia, dating back almost to the time when modern people evolved in Africa from earlier beings. The date means they are more than 40,000 years older than what anthropologists thought were the oldest human remains. Experts say the finding provides new information about early humans who roamed the earth.

The two skulls were originally excavated from near Kibish, Ethiopia, in 1967 by a team, including world renowned archaeologist Richard Leakey. Earlier scientific dating estimated them to be about 130,000 years old. But even at that age, they were not the oldest known modern humans. That distinction fell to other relics from Ethiopia estimated to be about 160,000 years old.

Now, a new analysis of the Kibish River skulls using new dating techniques puts their age at just under 200,000 years, confirming that they are the oldest known examples of human species.--Jessica Berhman, Nature magazine.

Bones discovered nearly 40 years ago in Ethiopia now appear to be the oldest known fossils of modern-looking humans, says an analysis that suggests they come from around the dawn of the species.

Researchers determined that the specimens are around 195,000 years old. Previously, the oldest known fossils of Homo sapiens were Ethiopian skulls dated to about 160,000 years ago.

Genetic studies estimate that Homo sapiens arose about 200,000 years ago, so the new research brings the fossil record more in line with that, said John Fleagle of Stony Brook University in New York, an author of the study.

So, now that you have sources... can you PLEASE answer a few of the questions that I have asked you that you have not answered yet.

1) How can there be light on earth BEFORE there was a Sun?
2)Who is Adam if not the first man?
3) How do you account for all of the contradictions in the bible?
4) Do you believe you are going to Hell if you do not believe in the bible?
5) Will you abandon the Bible "being precise" and the word of God after 2013 comes and goes?

[B]First, let me ask why " and will not add to written records in the Bible written thousands of years before I was born" Why not? It was written by men who STOLE it from US.

Now as far as the facts go...you have given no sources either. YOU said that YOU counted AND THERE ARE PLENTY OF HISTORIANS THAT DISAGREE WITH YOUR DATES ON THINGS.

Daniel served as part of the royal court of King Nebuchadnezzar, who reigned in Babylon from 605 - 562 B.C....

See the differences in Dates?



Preclassic

The Maya area was initially inhabited around the 10th century BC. Recent discoveries of Maya occupation at Cuello in Belize have been carbon dated to around 2600 BC.[3][4] This level of occupation included monumental structures. [SIZE="4"]


For the oldest humans...

Scientists have identified the remains of the oldest known modern humans. They are nearly 200,000-year-old skulls from Ethiopia, dating back almost to the time when modern people evolved in Africa from earlier beings.

So, now that you have sources... can you PLEASE answer a few of the questions that I have asked you that you have not answered yet.

. . .4) Do you believe you are going to Hell if you do not believe in the bible?
5) Will you abandon the Bible "being precise" and the word of God after 2013 comes and goes?


[COLOR="Red"]FRAUD; but you are allowed to do it so,...the penalty goes to...this government for allowing you to do this...

I put up direct links to sources that agree with the Bible dates of AD 2, AD 2002, planetary alignment, I referred to that fact that it was on the local news, I referred, reference you to the planetary show at local planetariums for the show called, THE STAR OF BETHLEHEM, I referenced THE FACT THAT THIS GOVERNMENT BASED ON THE KJV VERSION OF THE BIBLE and this is legally binding; I referenced THE BATTLE OF MARATHON and THE BATTLE OF THERMOPYLAE to confirm the dates of KING DARIUS, and XERXES I...


The dates that you put up or any historian such as 605 BC and 553 BC in reference to the history that you are refering to does not agree with the STAR OF BETHLEHEM'S advent at all. It is a falsity and it is FRAUD. But if you are allowed to do this, the penalty goes to . . .. And, where are your sources!!?

Pre-Classic

Since you won't put up the link about the Mayan records concerning their 2012 prophecy, I WILL:

Maya had a complex society (Classic period 300 - 900 AD)
Most artistic and cultural achievement came about during the Classic period 300 - 900 AD. . . .For most of this period, the majority f the Maya population lived in the central lowlands of Mexico and Belize.

The Mayan civilization was the height of pre-Columbian culture. They made significant discoveries in science, including the use of the zero in mathematics.
http://www.cancunsouth.com/plan_hist_clas.html

Other links state that they did not begin to even make the paper used to write on until around that time period and coincided with the Roman Empire of which was hundreds of years after Daniel-the-prophet.

YOU ARE FRAUDULENT AND PUT OUT FALSE INFO ON THIS BLACK MESSAGE BOARD but, you are allowed to do it.

For the oldest humans;

You gave dates of 200,000 years and etc. and had the nerve to base it on carbon dating. . . but no sources, no links. If you are so smart you should know that carbon dating cannot be verified beyond 5000 years! Anything after 5000 years based upon many factors have well been discounted by the two 'white men' of whom came up with 'carbon dating' in the A.D. 1950s!

YOU GIVEN NO SOURCES, NO LINKS!!! But again, you think you can get away with this for some reason.

Hell!!!

If you are so well informed about the Bible then, you already know that 'the great city' mentioned that will be destroyed is hell!!! The millions of inhabitants do not have to go to hell, they are already there!!! That is the purpose for RESURRECTION!!! The Book of REVELATIONS 16 stated that this great city will split into three parts and this will begin in about 4 years . . .

If you claim you know the Bible so well, you should already know that the Creator already planned to set up 'a hell' and that was the reason why the set up the Garden of Eden as a test for Adam and Eve . . . The Lamb was slain at the foundation of the world. Satan has a one way ticket out the heavens . . . and he spent about 6000 years trying to get to the heavens and prove the Creator wrong for sending his son to help the descendants of Adam and Eve.

I still waiting for you sources!!!

FRAUD; but you are allowed to do it so,...the penalty goes to...this government for allowing you to do this...

I put up direct links to sources that agree with the Bible dates of AD 2, AD 2002, planetary alignment, I referred to that fact that it was on the local news, I referred, reference you to the planetary show at local planetariums for the show called, THE STAR OF BETHLEHEM, I referenced THE FACT THAT THIS GOVERNMENT BASED ON THE KJV VERSION OF THE BIBLE and this is legally binding; I referenced THE BATTLE OF MARATHON and THE BATTLE OF THERMOPYLAE to confirm the dates of KING DARIUS, and XERXES I...


The dates that you put up or any historian such as 605 BC and 553 BC in reference to the history that you are refering to does not agree with the STAR OF BETHLEHEM'S advent at all. It is a falsity and it is FRAUD. But if you are allowed to do this, the penalty goes to . . .. And, where are your sources!!?

Pre-Classic

Since you won't put up the link about the Mayan records concerning their 2012 prophecy, I WILL:

Maya had a complex society (Classic period 300 - 900 AD)
Most artistic and cultural achievement came about during the Classic period 300 - 900 AD. . . .For most of this period, the majority f the Maya population lived in the central lowlands of Mexico and Belize.

The Mayan civilization was the height of pre-Columbian culture. They made significant discoveries in science, including the use of the zero in mathematics.
http://www.cancunsouth.com/plan_hist_clas.html

Other links state that they did not begin to even make the paper used to write on until around that time period and coincided with the Roman Empire of which was hundreds of years after Daniel-the-prophet.

YOU ARE FRAUDULENT AND PUT OUT FALSE INFO ON THIS BLACK MESSAGE BOARD but, you are allowed to do it.

For the oldest humans;

You gave dates of 200,000 years and etc. and had the nerve to base it on carbon dating. . . but no sources, no links. If you are so smart you should know that carbon dating cannot be verified beyond 5000 years! Anything after 5000 years based upon many factors have well been discounted by the two 'white men' of whom came up with 'carbon dating' in the A.D. 1950s!

YOU GIVEN NO SOURCES, NO LINKS!!! But again, you think you can get away with this for some reason.

Hell!!!

If you are so well informed about the Bible then, you already know that 'the great city' mentioned that will be destroyed is hell!!! The millions of inhabitants do not have to go to hell, they are already there!!! That is the purpose for RESURRECTION!!! The Book of REVELATIONS 16 stated that this great city will split into three parts and this will begin in about 4 years . . .

If you claim you know the Bible so well, you should already know that the Creator already planned to set up 'a hell' and that was the reason why the set up the Garden of Eden as a test for Adam and Eve . . . The Lamb was slain at the foundation of the world. Satan has a one way ticket out the heavens . . . and he spent about 6000 years trying to get to the heavens and prove the Creator wrong for sending his son to help the descendants of Adam and Eve.

I still waiting for you sources!!!

Daniel served as part of the royal court of King Nebuchadnezzar, who reigned in Babylon from 605 - 562 B.C.

Belshazzar was the son of Nabonidus, who after ruling only three years, went to the oasis of Tayma and devoted himself to the worship of the moon god, Sin. He made Belshazzar co-regent in 553 B.C., leaving him in charge of Babylon's defense.[1]--SOURCE The Verse Account of Nabonidus (Historian)


In the year 540 B.C. Nabonidus returned from Tayma, hoping to defend his kingdom from the Persians who were planning to advance on Babylon. In 538 B.C. Belshazzar was positioned in the city of Babylon to hold the capital, while Nabonidus, marched his troops north to meet Cyrus. On October 10, 539 B.C. Nabonidus surrendered and fled from Cyrus. Two days later, October 12, 539 B.C., the Persian armies overthrew the city of Babylon. -- Ancient Mesopotamia--SOURCE Leo Oppenhiem and Jewish Encyclopedia

Preclassic

The Maya area was initially inhabited around the 10th century BC. Recent discoveries of Maya occupation at Cuello in Belize have been carbon dated to around 2600 BC.[3][4] This level of occupation included monumental structures. The Maya calendar, which is based around the so-called Mesoamerican Long Count calendar, commences on a date equivalent to 11 August, 3114 BC.SOURCE--Micheal Coe (expert on Mayan civilization)

For the oldest humans...

Scientists have identified the remains of the oldest known modern humans. They are nearly 200,000-year-old skulls from Ethiopia, dating back almost to the time when modern people evolved in Africa from earlier beings. The date means they are more than 40,000 years older than what anthropologists thought were the oldest human remains. Experts say the finding provides new information about early humans who roamed the earth.

The two skulls were originally excavated from near Kibish, Ethiopia, in 1967 by a team, including world renowned archaeologist Richard Leakey. Earlier scientific dating estimated them to be about 130,000 years old. But even at that age, they were not the oldest known modern humans. That distinction fell to other relics from Ethiopia estimated to be about 160,000 years old.

Now, a new analysis of the Kibish River skulls using new dating techniques puts their age at just under 200,000 years, confirming that they are the oldest known examples of human species. SOURCE--Jessica Berhman, Nature magazine.

Bones discovered nearly 40 years ago in Ethiopia now appear to be the oldest known fossils of modern-looking humans, says an analysis that suggests they come from around the dawn of the species.

Researchers determined that the specimens are around 195,000 years old. Previously, the oldest known fossils of Homo sapiens were Ethiopian skulls dated to about 160,000 years ago.

Genetic studies estimate that Homo sapiens arose about 200,000 years ago, so the new research brings the fossil record more in line with that, said SOURCE--John Fleagle of Stony Brook University in New York, an author of the study.

WHO MENTIONED CARBON DATING????????

Have you seen the sources yet??

THE AVOIDANCE OF QUESTIONS IS HOW ONE CAN TELL IF ONE IS BEING DISHONEST...I HAVE ASKED YOU SEVERAL AND HAVE ANSWERED ALL OF YOURS...WHY CAN'T YOU ANSWER MY QUESTIONS...

1) How can there be light on earth BEFORE there was a Sun?
2)Who is Adam if not the first man?
3) How do you account for all of the contradictions in the bible?
4) Do you believe you are going to Hell if you do not believe in the bible?
5) Will you abandon the Bible "being precise" and the word of God after 2013 comes and goes?

but Chevron..why the name calling..?? The fraud comment wasnt necessary. Thanks

Daniel served as part of the royal court of King Nebuchadnezzar, who reigned in Babylon from 605 - 562 B.C.

Belshazzar was the son of Nabonidus, who after ruling only three years, went to the oasis of Tayma and devoted himself to the worship of the moon god, Sin. He made Belshazzar co-regent in 553 B.C., leaving him in charge of Babylon's defense.[1]--SOURCE The Verse Account of Nabonidus (Historian)


In the year 540 B.C. Nabonidus returned from Tayma, hoping to defend his kingdom from the Persians who were planning to advance on Babylon. In 538 B.C. Belshazzar was positioned in the city of Babylon to hold the capital, while Nabonidus, marched his troops north to meet Cyrus. On October 10, 539 B.C. Nabonidus surrendered and fled from Cyrus. Two days later, October 12, 539 B.C., the Persian armies overthrew the city of Babylon. -- Ancient Mesopotamia--SOURCE Leo Oppenhiem and Jewish Encyclopedia

Preclassic

The Maya area was initially inhabited around the 10th century BC. Recent discoveries of Maya occupation at Cuello in Belize have been carbon dated to around 2600 BC.[3][4] This level of occupation included monumental structures. The Maya calendar, which is based around the so-called Mesoamerican Long Count calendar, commences on a date equivalent to 11 August, 3114 BC.SOURCE--Micheal Coe (expert on Mayan civilization)

For the oldest humans...

Scientists have identified the remains of the oldest known modern humans. They are nearly 200,000-year-old skulls from Ethiopia, dating back almost to the time when modern people evolved in Africa from earlier beings. The date means they are more than 40,000 years older than what anthropologists thought were the oldest human remains. Experts say the finding provides new information about early humans who roamed the earth.

The two skulls were originally excavated from near Kibish, Ethiopia, in 1967 by a team, including world renowned archaeologist Richard Leakey. Earlier scientific dating estimated them to be about 130,000 years old. But even at that age, they were not the oldest known modern humans. That distinction fell to other relics from Ethiopia estimated to be about 160,000 years old.

Now, a new analysis of the Kibish River skulls using new dating techniques puts their age at just under 200,000 years, confirming that they are the oldest known examples of human species. SOURCE--Jessica Berhman, Nature magazine.

Bones discovered nearly 40 years ago in Ethiopia now appear to be the oldest known fossils of modern-looking humans, says an analysis that suggests they come from around the dawn of the species.

Researchers determined that the specimens are around 195,000 years old. Previously, the oldest known fossils of Homo sapiens were Ethiopian skulls dated to about 160,000 years ago.

Genetic studies estimate that Homo sapiens arose about 200,000 years ago, so the new research brings the fossil record more in line with that, said SOURCE--John Fleagle of Stony Brook University in New York, an author of the study.

WHO MENTIONED CARBON DATING????????

Have you seen the sources yet??

THE AVOIDANCE OF QUESTIONS IS HOW ONE CAN TELL IF ONE IS BEING DISHONEST...I HAVE ASKED YOU SEVERAL AND HAVE ANSWERED ALL OF YOURS...WHY CAN'T YOU ANSWER MY QUESTIONS...

1) How can there be light on earth BEFORE there was a Sun?
2)Who is Adam if not the first man?
3) How do you account for all of the contradictions in the bible?
4) Do you believe you are going to Hell if you do not believe in the bible?
5) Will you abandon the Bible "being precise" and the word of God after 2013 comes and goes?



Leo Oppenhiem and Jewish Encyclopedia
Micheal Coe (expert on Mayan civilization)
Jessica Berhman, Nature magazine
John Fleagle of Stony Brook University in New York, an author of the study.

This is totally wrong! How can I check out your sources without the other part of the information!? I had to do this in high school as well as college. I need to know the the other info that goes along with the authors name and magazine and etc. Even a link would be great. But, I suppose I'll 'google the names'.

If your 200,000 year old man was not determined by carbon dating than, how else did base their science!?

Again, based upon the kjv Bible of which is binding, the dates of 605 BC are totally wrong. Even this government cannot support that date because the Bible combines the books of the authors Daniel with the STAR OF BETHLEHEM! This entire post is based upon that STAR of which I put up a link.

I've answered your questions and you are rejecting my responses. There are not constradictions in the Bible based upon the moving star of which proves the timeline in the Bible. What is wrong with you!?

I'm going to put up another link for you about the Mayan's... Because to prove you.

but Chevron..why the name calling..?? The fraud comment wasnt necessary. Thanks

I don't understand you.

This article was based upon research and I presented a link upon which it was based. I was challenged by the basis of the Mayans and the info provided is in contradiction.

It is a fact that America's date system is off. It is a fact that the federal government set up on the basis of Christianity and use the kjv Bible in federal court. I based my research on facts and please help me to understand you about 'name calling'.

Thanks.

Only one Maya inscription, Tortuguero Monument 6, directly mentions the end of the 13th baktun, which corresponds to 2012. It has been defaced, though Mayan scholar David Stuart has attempted a partial translation:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/December_23,_2012

Maya codices (singular codex) are folding books stemming from the pre-Columbian Maya civilization, written in Maya hieroglyphic script on Mesoamerican paper, made from the inner bark of certain trees, the main being the wild fig tree or Amate (Ficus glabrata). Paper, generally known by the Nahuatl word amatl, was named by the Mayas huun. The folding books are the products of professional scribes working under the patronage of the Howler Monkey Gods. The Maya developed their huun-paper around the 5th century,[1] the same era that the Romans did, but their paper was more durable and a better writing surface than papyrus[2]. The codices have been named for the cities in which they eventually settled. The Dresden codex is generally considered the most important of the few that survive.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maya_codices

The Dresden Codex was dated to be in the Classic period after AD 300s

Leo Oppenhiem and Jewish Encyclopedia
Micheal Coe (expert on Mayan civilization)
Jessica Berhman, Nature magazine
John Fleagle of Stony Brook University in New York, an author of the study.

This is totally wrong! How can I check out your sources without the other part of the information!? I had to do this in high school as well as college. I need to know the the other info that goes along with the authors name and magazine and etc. Even a link would be great. But, I suppose I'll 'google the names'.

I apologize...you asked for sources...so I gave you sources. I didn't know you meant LINKS. You haven't given me ONE link to your timeline...only state that it is YOUR research. From now on I will post the link that I got the source from.

If your 200,000 year old man was not determined by carbon dating than, how else did base their science!?

Accuracy of dating

Dating in geology may be relative or absolute. Relative dating is done by observing fossils, as described above, and recording which fossil is younger, which is older. The discovery of means for absolute dating in the early 1900s was a huge advance. The methods are all based on radioactive decay:
Fossils may be dated by calculating the rate of decay of certain elements.

* Certain naturally occurring elements are radioactive, and they decay, or break down, at predictable rates.
* Chemists measure the half-life of such elements, i.e., the time it takes for half of the radioactive parent element to break down to the stable daughter element. Sometimes, one isotope, or naturally occurring form, of an element decays into another, more stable form of the same element.
* By comparing the proportions of parent to daughter element in a rock sample, and knowing the half-life, the age can be calculated.

Older fossils cannot be dated by carbon-14 methods and require radiometric dating.

Scientists can use different chemicals for absolute dating:

* The best-known absolute dating technique is carbon-14 dating, which archaeologists prefer to use. However, the half-life of carbon-14 is only 5730 years, so the method cannot be used for materials older than about 70,000 years.
* Radiometric dating involves the use of isotope series, such as rubidium/strontium, thorium/lead, potassium/argon, argon/argon, or uranium/lead, all of which have very long half-lives, ranging from 0.7 to 48.6 billion years. Subtle differences in the relative proportions of the two isotopes can give good dates for rocks of any age.

www.actionbioscience.org/evolution/benton.html

Again, based upon the kjv Bible of which is binding, the dates of 605 BC are totally wrong. Even this government cannot support that date because the Bible combines the books of the authors Daniel with the STAR OF BETHLEHEM! This entire post is based upon that STAR of which I put up a link.

I believe this is the BASIS of our disagreement. You are basing EVERYTHING ON THE KJV. The problem with this is that the BIBLE itself is NOT FACTUAL and the Star of Bethlehem is a FICTIONAL occurrence for the author of Matthew to TRY to add validaty to the copied and stolen messiah story of Yeshua.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_of_Bethlehem



I've answered your questions and you are rejecting my responses. There are not constradictions in the Bible based upon the moving star of which proves the timeline in the Bible. What is wrong with you!?

Questions you have not even ATTEMPTED TO ANSWER

1) How can there be light on earth BEFORE there was a Sun?
2)Who is Adam if not the first man?
4) Do you believe you are going to Hell if you do not believe in the bible?
5) Will you abandon the Bible "being precise" and the word of God after 2013 comes and goes?

You attempted to answer the question about the contradictions by saying my dates were different than the KJV...but the KJV of the bible has too many contradictions to count. How do you account for them?

Please provide something other than what you BELIEVE. And my question was not just to the timeline...it is about ALL OF THE CONTRADICTIONS IN THE BIBLE. Are you not aware of them?

Your still fraudulent because its about this government!

It's not your belief or my belief. Its the fact that this government killed and enslaved in the name of Christianity based on kjv. And, my basis is solely on this factor. It's not about what I believe will happen after or if [whatever occurs in 2013. It is the fact that this government DID NOT SET UP UNDER BUDDHISM or MUSLIM or THE TORAH or ...They set up on Jesus Christ. And in reference to the very Bible that they used . . . in about four years . . . this great city will be destroyed.

its not about what you believe about the STAR or whether George Washington, ST MATTHEW, Julius Caesar, Cybele...lived or not. Its about written script that is binding in this government. I'm solely basing my research on this kjv Bible and comparing its dates and times to other sources.

The Romans worshiped the Planet Mercury, Mars, the EArth Mother, the moon and had temples for them. They worshiped 'the god Saturn' [a bronze god made of wood and bound in their treasury temple] but, they did not worship the planet Saturn until the AD 100s.SO YOUR WRONG ABOUT THE FICTIONAL STAR. The Romans were BAAL WORSHIPERS. Its verified by the Roman Empire and the Israelite authors and the ancient Chaldeans and today and etc. I gave you resources.

radioactive testing is relative to carbon dating and cannot be verified past about 5000 years as you have finally gotten the article. There are too many variables to make it accurate.

You are being allowed to harass me and put out fraudulent material and, this is taken lightly...but I pray against this.

Your still fraudulent because its about this government!

It's not your belief or my belief. Its the fact that this government killed and enslaved in the name of Christianity based on kjv. And, my basis is solely on this factor. It's not about what I believe will happen after or if [whatever occurs in 2013. It is the fact that this government DID NOT SET UP UNDER BUDDHISM or MUSLIM or THE TORAH or ...They set up on Jesus Christ. And in reference to the very Bible that they used . . . in about four years . . . this great city will be destroyed.

its not about what you believe about the STAR or whether George Washington, ST MATTHEW, Julius Caesar, Cybele...lived or not. Its about written script that is binding in this government. I'm solely basing my research on this kjv Bible and comparing its dates and times to other sources.

The Romans worshiped the Planet Mercury, Mars, the EArth Mother, the moon and had temples for them. They worshiped 'the god Saturn' [a bronze god made of wood and bound in their treasury temple] but, they did not worship the planet Saturn until the AD 100s.SO YOUR WRONG ABOUT THE FICTIONAL STAR. The Romans were BAAL WORSHIPERS. Its verified by the Roman Empire and the Israelite authors and the ancient Chaldeans and today and etc. I gave you resources.

radioactive testing is relative to carbon dating and cannot be verified past about 5000 years as you have finally gotten the article. There are too many variables to make it accurate.

You are being allowed to harass me and put out fraudulent material and, this is taken lightly...but I pray against this.

I agree with you about one thing...it is not about what we BELIEVE it is about what is TRUE AND WHAT IS UNTRUE.

Why do you believe the bible to be BINDING if it is A FRAUD itself? Oh..nevermind...you don't answer questions. So let me make a statement. The Bible is stolen from KEMET changed, rearranged, and corrupted enough that it can not be taken seriously. The book is a FRAUD so, the PROPHECIES ARE FRAUDS TOO!

Here are a few TRUTHS that we have covered:

1) The MAYAN prophecy (as per their calender) is THOUSANDS of years older than Daniel. The fact that couldn't WRITE IT ON PAPER until they discovered paper does not take away from the age of the calender and the subsequent prophecy from the calender.


2)* Radiometric dating involves the use of isotope series, such as rubidium/strontium, thorium/lead, potassium/argon, argon/argon, or uranium/lead, all of which have very long half-lives, ranging from 0.7 to 48.6 billion years. Subtle differences in the relative proportions of the two isotopes can give good dates for rocks of any age.

3) Adam was NOT THE FIRST MAN based on your calculations.

4) The bible is NOT FACTUAL so it can not be held as binding for this government or any other.

5) You do not answer difficult questions.

I gave your references and links..then you proceed to say THEY ARE INCORRECT. I understand now. You are committed to this theory and do not wish to entertain any new info that is contrary to it. That's fine. However, you WILL have to answer this question( even if it is not here and now) WILL YOU ABANDON THE BIBLICAL PROPHECIES AS FACT ONCE 2013 HAS COME AND GONE AND NOTHING HAS HAPPENED (i.e. end of the world..or end of this government)??

I agree with you about one thing...it is not about what we BELIEVE it is about what is TRUE AND WHAT IS UNTRUE.

Why do you believe the bible to be BINDING if it is A FRAUD itself? Oh..nevermind...you don't answer questions. So let me make a statement. The Bible is stolen from KEMET changed, rearranged, and corrupted enough that it can not be taken seriously. The book is a FRAUD so, the PROPHECIES ARE FRAUDS TOO!

Here are a few TRUTHS that we have covered:

1) The MAYAN prophecy (as per their calender) is THOUSANDS of years older than Daniel. The fact that couldn't WRITE IT ON PAPER until they discovered paper does not take away from the age of the calender and the subsequent prophecy from the calender.


2)* Radiometric dating involves the use of isotope series, such as rubidium/strontium, thorium/lead, potassium/argon, argon/argon, or uranium/lead, all of which have very long half-lives, ranging from 0.7 to 48.6 billion years. Subtle differences in the relative proportions of the two isotopes can give good dates for rocks of any age.

3) Adam was NOT THE FIRST MAN based on your calculations.

4) The bible is NOT FACTUAL so it can not be held as binding for this government or any other.

5) You do not answer difficult questions.

I gave your references and links..then you proceed to say THEY ARE INCORRECT. I understand now. You are committed to this theory and do not wish to entertain any new info that is contrary to it. That's fine. However, you WILL have to answer this question( even if it is not here and now) WILL YOU ABANDON THE BIBLICAL PROPHECIES AS FACT ONCE 2013 HAS COME AND GONE AND NOTHING HAS HAPPENED (i.e. end of the world..or end of this government)??

YOU SOUND LIKE THE SLAVE MASTER DICTATION WHAT HE WANTS TO THE SLAVE. BUT YOU THINK YOU CAN GET AWAY WITH THIS ON THIS BLACK MESSAGE BOARD!

YOU MOCK BLACK PEOPLE your statements are very supremacist. You base your 'statements' on your own ignorant viewpoints and it has nothing to do with research and other factual sources. You spend all of your time mocking black people and trying to stop them from understanding that it's all about this government's using the Bible as the basis for this system. It's not about whether or not what you believe the Bible to be, whether fraud or not, it's about addressing the issue to this government.

Science is my discipline! WE ARE NOT TALKING ABOUT ROCKS...I have a degree in science. you are wrong. I worked for years in nuclear and radiation field. In regards to FOSSILS, it concerns the breakdown of carbon with relation to radioactivity. you are fraudulent.

but then again, you are allowed. White supremacy cannot prevail unless it is supported by blacks because Black was first in regards to governments 6000 years ago.

Kemet is not the top government today because they lost out due to allowing white supremacy to prevail . . .

But based upon the Bible kjv, it will prove itself in about 4 years.

I pray against you. I'm glad to know that you support Black people being ignorant and not making decisions for themselves based upon facts and not your statements. At least we got this straight.

YOU SOUND LIKE THE SLAVE MASTER DICTATION WHAT HE WANTS TO THE SLAVE. BUT YOU THINK YOU CAN GET AWAY WITH THIS ON THIS BLACK MESSAGE BOARD!

YOU MOCK BLACK PEOPLE your statements are very supremacist. You base your 'statements' on your own ignorant viewpoints and it has nothing to do with research and other factual sources. You spend all of your time mocking black people and trying to stop them from understanding that it's all about this government's using the Bible as the basis for this system. It's not about whether or not what you believe the Bible to be, whether fraud or not, it's about addressing the issue to this government.

Science is my discipline! WE ARE NOT TALKING ABOUT ROCKS...I have a degree in science. you are wrong. I worked for years in nuclear and radiation field. In regards to FOSSILS, it concerns the breakdown of carbon with relation to radioactivity. you are fraudulent.

but then again, you are allowed. White supremacy cannot prevail unless it is supported by blacks because Black was first in regards to governments 6000 years ago.

Kemet is not the top government today because they lost out due to allowing white supremacy to prevail . . .

But based upon the Bible kjv, it will prove itself in about 4 years.

I pray against you. I'm glad to know that you support Black people being ignorant and not making decisions for themselves based upon facts and not your statements. At least we got this straight.

Right...you have a degree in science but hadn't heard of Radiometric dating???!! And you do not know that HUMAN fossils have been found that are older than 6000 years ago??Lol...thats hilarious.

If you check out how long I have been a part of this community, you will find that I am not TRYING TO GET AWAY WITH ANYTHING...LOL.

It seems you are a little upset that I have exposed the weaknesses in your THEORY. I meant no malice. My only goal is for ALL of our people to embrace TRUTH. However, it seems to be a PATTERN from those of you who still give all of this power to the bible in ATTACKING those who show you that there is NO POWER IN THAT BOOK OTHER THAN WHAT YOU GIVE IT! This strikes a nerve in you bible thumpers and you start being mean and nasty. Why is that? I have not insulted you ONE TIME. I have only ANSWERED ALL OF YOUR QUESTIONS and PROVEN that your theory is flawed. If that warrants me being insulted, then so be it. The TRUTH can never be OFFENDED.

And finally, I have only given information that ALLOWS people to make their own decisions. Those of you spreading the IGNORANCE of the bible are the ones who keep this White System going. We are trying to FREE your minds...and we get attacked for it.

I am glad that James has pointed you to the Metu Neter. Maybe you will break free of the bondage that your in...soon.

Peace and Love

Right...you have a degree in science but hadn't heard of Radiometric dating???!! And you do not know that HUMAN fossils have been found that are older than 6000 years ago??Lol...thats hilarious.

If you check out how long I have been a part of this community, you will find that I am not TRYING TO GET AWAY WITH ANYTHING...LOL.

It seems you are a little upset that I have exposed the weaknesses in your THEORY. I meant no malice. My only goal is for ALL of our people to embrace TRUTH. However, it seems to be a PATTERN from those of you who still give all of this power to the bible in ATTACKING those who show you that there is NO POWER IN THAT BOOK OTHER THAN WHAT YOU GIVE IT! This strikes a nerve in you bible thumpers and you start being mean and nasty. Why is that? I have not insulted you ONE TIME. I have only ANSWERED ALL OF YOUR QUESTIONS and PROVEN that your theory is flawed. If that warrants me being insulted, then so be it. The TRUTH can never be OFFENDED.

And finally, I have only given information that ALLOWS people to make their own decisions. Those of you spreading the IGNORANCE of the bible are the ones who keep this White System going. We are trying to FREE your minds...and we get attacked for it.

I am glad that James has pointed you to the Metu Neter. Maybe you will break free of the bondage that your in...soon.

Peace and Love

Unfornately, you can't save this government from their judgment. RADIOMETRIC DATING does not go back to your 200,000 year old man lie. that's another lie you have to contend with.

Anyone would be upset with fraudulent acts allowed. I never put up a theory, I based my research on this government's use of the kjv Bible of which is based upon the STAR OF BETHLEHEM. It does not matter whether you say its theory or not, they used it to kill and enslave and then outlawed it after 1776. It does not matter how long white people are allowed to mock black people. Based upon the Bible, it will all end real soon.

we will all know whether the Bible will or will not confirm itself.

And there were voices, and thunders, and lightnings; and there was a great earthquake, such as was not since men were upon the earth, so mighty an earthquake, and so great.
And the great city was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell: and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath.
And every island fled away, and the mountains were not found.
And there fell upon men a great hail out of heaven, every stone about the weight of a talent: and men blasphemed God because of the plague of the hail; for the plague thereof was exceeding great.
Rev 16:18-21

This Great City that set up on Christianity and dominated the world will split into 3-parts, according to the kjv Bible. 1 part will go to 'outer darkness where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth, 1 part will become a lava bed [a lake of fire] and 1 part will eventually become submerged [in my opinion].

I know you don't want to believe written script but, I'm just exercising my rights to share.

Unfornately, you can't save this government from their judgment. RADIOMETRIC DATING does not go back to your 200,000 year old man lie. that's another lie you have to contend with.

Anyone would be upset with fraudulent acts allowed. I never put up a theory, I based my research on this government's use of the kjv Bible of which is based upon the STAR OF BETHLEHEM. It does not matter whether you say its theory or not, they used it to kill and enslave and then outlawed it after 1776. It does not matter how long white people are allowed to mock black people. Based upon the Bible, it will all end real soon.


we will all know whether the Bible will or will not confirm itself.

And there were voices, and thunders, and lightnings; and there was a great earthquake, such as was not since men were upon the earth, so mighty an earthquake, and so great.
And the great city was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell: and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath.
And every island fled away, and the mountains were not found.
And there fell upon men a great hail out of heaven, every stone about the weight of a talent: and men blasphemed God because of the plague of the hail; for the plague thereof was exceeding great.
Rev 16:18-21



This Great City that set up on Christianity and dominated the world will split into 3-parts, according to the kjv Bible. 1 part will go to 'outer darkness where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth, 1 part will become a lava bed [a lake of fire] and 1 part will eventually become submerged [in my opinion].

I know you don't want to believe written script but, I'm just exercising my rights to share.

Yeah, we will see. And, I asked you a question related to that prophecy that you REFUSE to answer because you can't look past the KJV. Considering there are too many unfulfilled prophecies in the bible to count, basing your belief on the bible is insanity at best.

This is YOUR research...it is NOT FACT!

The only thing I take issue with are the insults that you are flinging because your RESEARCH is flawed and the fact that you seem to believe that I made up a lie about the age of man. So, even though they don't all agree EXACTLY WHEN we were first here...IT IS CLEAR THAT WE ARE OLDER THAT 6000 YEARS...LOL

Let me show you this is NOT MY IDEA!

* The rejection of dating by religious fundamentalists is easier for them to make, but harder for them to demonstrate. The fossils occur in regular sequences time after time; radioactive decay happens, and repeated cross testing of radiometric dates confirms their validity. http://www.actionbioscience.org/evolution/benton.html

The world's first known modern human was a tall, thin individual -- probably male -- who lived around 200,000 years ago and resembled present-day Ethiopians, save for one important difference: He retained a few primitive characteristics associated with Neanderthals, according to a series of forthcoming studies conducted by multiple international research teams.--- http://dsc.discovery.com/news/2008/08/22/earliest-human-ethiopia.html

"Our findings show that at 164,000 years ago in coastal South Africa humans expanded their diet to include shellfish and other marine resources, perhaps as a response to harsh environmental conditions," notes Marean, a professor in ASU's School of Human Evolution and Social Change. "This is the earliest dated observation of this behavior." --http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/10/071017145252.htm


H. sapiens idaltu, from Ethiopia, is a possible extinct sub-species who lived from about 160,000 years ago. It is the oldest known anatomically modern human. SOURCE---Heizmann, Elmar P J, Begun, David R (2001). "The oldest Eurasian hominoid". Journal of Human Evolution 41 (5): 463. doi:10.1006/jhev.2001.0495. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_evolution#Homo_sapiens

Shall I give you MORE references that show that we are at the very least OLDER THAN 100,000 YEARS OLD??????

My integrity is in tact. Yours on the other hand is starting to decline fast.

Peace and Love

Yeah, we will see. And, I asked you a question related to that prophecy that you REFUSE to answer because you can't look past the KJV. Considering there are too many unfulfilled prophecies in the bible to count, basing your belief on the bible is insanity at best.

This is YOUR research...it is NOT FACT!

The only thing I take issue with are the insults that you are flinging because your RESEARCH is flawed and the fact that you seem to believe that I made up a lie about the age of man. So, even though they don't all agree EXACTLY WHEN we were first here...IT IS CLEAR THAT WE ARE OLDER THAT 6000 YEARS...LOL

Let me show you this is NOT MY IDEA!

* The rejection of dating by religious fundamentalists is easier for them to make, but harder for them to demonstrate. The fossils occur in regular sequences time after time; radioactive decay happens, and repeated cross testing of radiometric dates confirms their validity. http://www.actionbioscience.org/evolution/benton.html

The world's first known modern human was a tall, thin individual -- probably male -- who lived around 200,000 years ago and resembled present-day Ethiopians, save for one important difference: He retained a few primitive characteristics associated with Neanderthals, according to a series of forthcoming studies conducted by multiple international research teams.--- http://dsc.discovery.com/news/2008/08/22/earliest-human-ethiopia.html

"Our findings show that at 164,000 years ago in coastal South Africa humans expanded their diet to include shellfish and other marine resources, perhaps as a response to harsh environmental conditions," notes Marean, a professor in ASU's School of Human Evolution and Social Change. "This is the earliest dated observation of this behavior." --http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/10/071017145252.htm


H. sapiens idaltu, from Ethiopia, is a possible extinct sub-species who lived from about 160,000 years ago. It is the oldest known anatomically modern human. SOURCE---Heizmann, Elmar P J, Begun, David R (2001). "The oldest Eurasian hominoid". Journal of Human Evolution 41 (5): 463. doi:10.1006/jhev.2001.0495. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_evolution#Homo_sapiens

Shall I give you MORE references that show that we are at the very least OLDER THAN 100,000 YEARS OLD??????

My integrity is in tact. Yours on the other hand is starting to decline fast.

Peace and Love

The article about radiometrics and radioactive decay versus fundalmentalist is copyrighted 2001.

The update states that radioactive decay cannot be determined past 5000 years because there are too many variable during the breakdown of matter. I'm going to post another part of that article. But I do appreciate you giving me the link so that I can see it for myself.

who cares about integrity. I'm not trying to be 'smarter than you'. I have research that I just want to share to a Black community. Because we were brought over hear and told lies [blasphemous lies] concerning the Bible, we should at least have the right to get the truth and then make a decision. As I have said before, the Bible timeline is exact and actually a time cycle that agrees with secular dates and times.

If African Americans are exposed to a lot of secular versions of 2012 including a movie debut in NOVEMBER 13, 2009 then, they should have the right to know what THE BIBLE SAYS.

Are you afraid that African Americans might at least know this concerning the Bible? This government is so afraid of us knowing what the Bible says . . . they outlawed it!!!

The Bible Timeline is A Time Cycle

Here is one of many examples of how it is confirmed:


AD 66 -to- AD 1066 = A Time [1000 years]


AD 66 ------- MASADA; 1st Jewish Revolt
AD 1066 ---- Halley's Comet; January 6,

I posted a research earlier about this. This is just one of many Bible prophecies in The Book of DANIEL that has already been confirmed.
Jesus [the Ancient of Days] said that after 'the Daily Sacrifice' was taken away, the temple would be destroyed. 4-years later after the start of this revolt, the Roman government destroyed the temple. Later they replaced it with the temple of Jupiter.

After the Halley's coment; Europe went through a major governmental change in which became the foundation of the system we are still under today.

Accuracy of dating

Dating in geology may be relative or absolute. Relative dating is done by observing fossils, as described above, and recording which fossil is younger, which is older. The discovery of means for absolute dating in the early 1900s was a huge advance. The methods are all based on radioactive decay:
• Certain naturally occurring elements are radioactive, and they decay, or break down, at predictable rates.
• Chemists measure the half-life of such elements, i.e., the time it takes for half of the radioactive parent element to break down to the stable daughter element. Sometimes, one isotope, or naturally occurring form, of an element decays into another, more stable form of the same element.
• By comparing the proportions of parent to daughter element in a rock sample, and knowing the half-life, the age can be calculated.
• http://www.actionbioscience.org/evolution/benton.html

Radioactive decay is not valid based upon scientist today. It cannot be verified past about 5000 years.

Accuracy of dating


Radioactive decay is not valid based upon scientist today. It cannot be verified past about 5000 years.

This is an out and out dishonest statement...Give sources that say this is TRUE!!! You have not given one source yet. You used the link I gave you ...and it the link it STATES THAT IT CAN VERIFY ANY AGE!!!

Please be honest.

Peace and Love

The article about radiometrics and radioactive decay versus fundalmentalist is copyrighted 2001.

The update states that radioactive decay cannot be determined past 5000 years because there are too many variable during the breakdown of matter. I'm going to post another part of that article. But I do appreciate you giving me the link so that I can see it for myself.

who cares about integrity. I'm not trying to be 'smarter than you'. I have research that I just want to share to a Black community. Because we were brought over hear and told lies concerning the Bible, we should at least have the right to get the truth and then make a decision. As I have said before, the Bible timeline is exact and actually a time cycle that agrees with secular dates and times.

If African Americans are exposed to a lot of secular versions of 2012 including a movie debut in NOVEMBER 13, 2009 then, they should have the right to know what THE BIBLE SAYS.

Are you afraid that African Americans might at least know this concerning the Bible? This government is so afraid of us knowing what the Bible says . . . they outlawed it!!!

[B]The world's first known modern human was a tall, thin individual -- probably male -- who lived around 200,000 years ago and resembled present-day Ethiopians, save for one important difference: He retained a few primitive characteristics associated with Neanderthals, according to a series of forthcoming studies conducted by multiple international research teams.--- http://dsc.discovery.com/news/2008/0...-ethiopia.html

Do you see this is a study in 2008?

"Our findings show that at 164,000 years ago in coastal South Africa humans expanded their diet to include shellfish and other marine resources, perhaps as a response to harsh environmental conditions," notes Marean, a professor in ASU's School of Human Evolution and Social Change. "This is the earliest dated observation of this behavior." --http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/10/071017145252.htm

Do you see the 2007????

Why do you keep misrepresenting FACTS? Give me the source that says fossils can only be measured to 5000 years!!

Why would we CARE what the bible has to say? It is THE WHITE MAN'S TOOL TO KEEP YOU ENSLAVED! It is a FRAUD that was changed by EUROS. It has NO POWER.

And the integrity remark was based on your inability to be HONEST...not how smart you are. Your credibility is very much in question.

This is an out and out dishonest statement...Give sources that say this is TRUE!!! You have not given one source yet. You used the link I gave you ...and it the link it STATES THAT IT CAN VERIFY ANY AGE!!!

Please be honest.

Peace and Love



COPYRIGHTED 2006--FLAWS IN RADIOMETRICS


Radiometric Dating and the Age of the Earth
Part One of a Five-Part Series on The Age of the Earth.

The only dating methods discussed (over and over again) by evolution-believing scientists and the mass media are ones that supposedly "prove" that the earth is billions of years old. One of the most popular of these is known as radiometric dating. However, not as well known is the fact that such methods have a number of serious flaws which are usually glossed over, or ignored when writing on, or discussing this subject in public.

With the exception of Carbon-14, radiometric dating is used to date either igneous or metamorphic rocks that contain radioactive elements such as uranium. And even though various radioactive elements have been used to "date" these rocks, for the most part, the methods are basically the same. They consist of measuring the amount of radioactive (mother) element and comparing it to the amount of stable (daughter) element. A discussion of the Uranium/Lead method follows...


Dr. Plaisted, and many other scientists like him have also came to a similar conclusion....I now believe that the claimed accuracy of radiometric dating methods is a result of a great misunderstanding of the data, and that the various methods hardly ever agree with each other, and often do not agree with the assumed ages of the rocks in which they are found.

http://www.earthage.org/EarthOldorYoung/Radiometric%20Dating,%20and%20The%20Age%20of%20the %20Earth.htm

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You should not be so supremacist in your claims of 'INTEGRITY'!

I'm not tryong to be smarter than you, I'm just trying to share my research based upon 'the 2012 prophecy' that the secular world completely avoids concerning the Bible. And they just are afraid for African Americans to know that it was also written in the Bible! . . . So they outlawed the Bible and desperately try to discourage African Americans from even reading it and making sound decisions for themselves. They hate the fact that the Bible states that the Creator chose himself 'a people' and put his Chosen people through the SLAVE SHIP VOYAGES AND SLAVERY and taught them lies about the Bible . . . and then outlawed it . . .

COPYRIGHTED 2006--FLAWS IN RADIOMETRICS


Radiometric Dating and the Age of the Earth
Part One of a Five-Part Series on The Age of the Earth.

The only dating methods discussed (over and over again) by evolution-believing scientists and the mass media are ones that supposedly "prove" that the earth is billions of years old. One of the most popular of these is known as radiometric dating. However, not as well known is the fact that such methods have a number of serious flaws which are usually glossed over, or ignored when writing on, or discussing this subject in public.

With the exception of Carbon-14, radiometric dating is used to date either igneous or metamorphic rocks that contain radioactive elements such as uranium. And even though various radioactive elements have been used to "date" these rocks, for the most part, the methods are basically the same. They consist of measuring the amount of radioactive (mother) element and comparing it to the amount of stable (daughter) element. A discussion of the Uranium/Lead method follows...


Dr. Plaisted, and many other scientists like him have also came to a similar conclusion....I now believe that the claimed accuracy of radiometric dating methods is a result of a great misunderstanding of the data, and that the various methods hardly ever agree with each other, and often do not agree with the assumed ages of the rocks in which they are found.

http://www.earthage.org/EarthOldorYoung/Radiometric%20Dating,%20and%20The%20Age%20of%20the %20Earth.htm

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You should not be so supremacist in your claims of 'INTEGRITY'!

I'm not tryong to be smarter than you, I'm just trying to share my research based upon 'the 2012 prophecy' that the secular world completely avoids concerning the Bible. And they just are afraid for African Americans to know that it was also written in the Bible! . . . So they outlawed the Bible and desperately try to discourage African Americans from even reading it and making sound decisions for themselves. They hate the fact that the Bible states that the Creator chose himself 'a people' and put his Chosen people through the SLAVE SHIP VOYAGES AND SLAVERY and taught them lies about the Bible . . . and then outlawed it . . .

I have given 5 sources that STATE THAT RADIOMETRIC DATING HAS HUMANS BEING OVER 100,000 YEARS OLD.

You have give NO SOURCES that say Radiometric dating only goes to 5000 years...NOT ONE...I AM STILL WAITING!! You give a source of a CHRISTIAN PSEUDO-SCIENTIST that says there are FLAWS in the dating system...ok. But, he NEVER says it only goes to 5000 years.

You all will believe ANYTHING that helps your case for the bible...and disbelieve anything that in contrary to it. This is dishonest, and disingenuous.

But we can clear up how RIDICULOUS the bible is by you answering ONE QUESTION...YOU READY?

How is it POSSIBLE for the Earth to have been created, have light, darkness---day and night....BEFORE THE SUN WAS CREATED?????

When you answer that, THEN we can CONSIDER the bible to have profoundly true prophecies in it...UNTIL THEN..you believe a MAN WRITTEN, STOLEN, CORRUPTED BOOK THAT IS STILL USED TO ENSLAVE YOU.

I have given 5 sources that STATE THAT RADIOMETRIC DATING HAS HUMANS BEING OVER 100,000 YEARS OLD.

You have give NO SOURCES that say Radiometric dating only goes to 5000 years...NOT ONE...I AM STILL WAITING!! You give a source of a CHRISTIAN PSEUDO-SCIENTIST that says there are FLAWS in the dating system...ok. But, he NEVER says it only goes to 5000 years.

You all will believe ANYTHING that helps your case for the bible...and disbelieve anything that in contrary to it. This is dishonest, and disingenuous.

But we can clear up how RIDICULOUS the bible is by you answering ONE QUESTION...YOU READY?

How is it POSSIBLE for the Earth to have been created, have light, darkness---day and night....BEFORE THE SUN WAS CREATED?????

When you answer that, THEN we can CONSIDER the bible to have profoundly true prophecies in it...UNTIL THEN..you believe a MAN WRITTEN, STOLEN, CORRUPTED BOOK THAT IS STILL USED TO ENSLAVE YOU.


There is no need to be so upset. I gave you a resource from a doctor and this link provides numerous resources of scientist.

There is no need to be so upset. I gave you a resource from a doctor and this link provides numerous resources of scientist.

You don't have the power to upset me. The reason I made the question so big was so you could not pretend like you didn't see it. Why have you avoided it YET AGAIN? If you don't have an answer then be HONEST and say that.

HERE IS THE FACT...IF THAT CAN NOT BE RECONCILED ...with it being the first story in the bible...the fact that it is UNTRUE points to the fact that MOST OF THE STUFF IN THE BIBLE IS UNTRUE.

And you gave me a link that PROVIDED NOT ONE STATEMENT THAT SAYS RADIOMETRIC DATING CAN ONLY GO BACK 5000 YEARS...NOT ONE...I am still waiting...Thanks.

So can you answer the question about the creation of the EARTH AND THE SUN or NOT????
Peace and Love

you asked me for a reference and I gave you one.

I've answered you and you reject my answer like you reject written records at will.

Radiometric dating is simply not accurate and it of course, cannot be verified to go back to your 200,000 year old man...The reference I provided came from 'a doctor of science' of whom has many, many references provided in his links.

The 5000 year issue you keep bringing up does not make sense. I'm not questioning Adam's validity; YOU ARE! I simply responded to your statement when you challenged me on my research based upon the merits of my initial post.

you asked me for a reference and I gave you one.

I've answered you and you reject my answer like you reject written records at will.

Radiometric dating is simply not accurate and it of course, cannot be verified to go back to your 200,000 year old man...The reference I provided came from 'a doctor of science' of whom has many, many references provided in his links.

The 5000 year issue you keep bringing up does not make sense. I'm not questioning Adam's validity; YOU ARE! I simply responded to your statement when you challenged me on my research based upon the merits of my initial post.

RADIOMETRIC dating goes to ANY AGE! You gave me one person (A CHRISTIAN TRYING TO PROTECT HIS BELIEF) that says there are FLAWS in the dating method...BUT EVEN YOUR DOCTOR NEVER SAY IT CAN ONLY GO BACK 5000 YEARS...you made a FALSE STATEMENT about it only going by 5000 years and now you are running from it. BACK IT UP WITH A SOURCE...give one source that says Radiometric dating can only go back 5000 years and we can end this portion of the discussion. You gave me one I GAVE YOU FIVE!! And mine ALL agreed that humans are over 100,000 years old. Sorry!

I am not QUESTIONING Adam's validity I AM EMPHATICALLY STATING that the bible's version of Creation is ridiculous. How do I know?

Because THE EARTH HAVING LIGHT/ DAY ON THIS PLANET WITHOUT THE SUN...IS IMPOSSIBLE BECAUSE THE SUN GIVES US OUR LIGHT!!..LOL


You refuse to be honest or to answer questions so we can bring this to a close. I will leave you to your belief in the bible with no malice. There is only a slight disappointment that our brothers and sisters will not abandon the brainwashing that was handed to them through slavery, theft, and corruption. Dove, I truly do hope you read the Metu Neter and get some understanding of how one is to come to TRUTH.

Peace and Love

.all I have to say is your good to keep up with this nonsence LOL

.all I have to say is your good to keep up with this nonsence LOL

I am done. I was trying my best to have Dove come to the realization that the bible is at the very least illogical in some areas...even if that doesn't change a person's belief it plants a seed that may one day grow big enough to free them. I gave it a shot. I have lost nothing.

Thanks for your objectivity.

Peace and Love

.all I have to say is your good to keep up with this nonsence LOL


Mockerey is the seed of Cybele.

Hope is the glory of 'God' my Creator in Jesus Christ.

He Swore He would Come Back...in 4 Years...;Think About It!...

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A Time, and Times and a half of Time = 2500 years [DANIEL 7:25 & DANIEL 12:6-7]


488 B.C. + 1000 = A.D. 512
A.D. 512 + 1000 = A.D. 1512
A.D. 1512 + 500 = *************A.D. 2012

2009 + 4 Years = 2012

*************And What was going on in the year 488 B.C.?***************


In 488 B.C. according to the Bible timeline, it was the 1st year of the rule of king Belshazzar in present day Iraq [Babylon]. Belshazzar was so evil that many people (including many Israelites of the Diaspora) fled the Mediterranean world and eventually some came all the way over to ‘the New World’ to become apart of the Black Native experiences [a time, and times and a half of time; REVELATIONS 12:14]. According to modern day scholars and the Bible [kjv], the Greeks were in conflict with the Persians and a couple of years earlier in 490 B.C., the Battle of Marathon had occurred. Xerxes I (the Biblical Artaxerxes I/Ahaseurus) headed up that conflict as well as the later one. Daniel wrote that Jesus [the Ancient of Days] said that he would return ‘at the end of the world’ to pass world judgment. Jesus later lifted up his hands and swore by God, the Creator, that he would come back to judge the world. During the rule of the Chaldeans [Blacks] of Babylon, they were having trouble with the Persians. Belshazzar was later slain by the Medo-Persians. In 475 B.C., the same year that Belshazzar was slain, Cyrus-the-great, the ruler of the Persian system in Babylon made a written decree and many Jews were allowed to journey back to Jerusalem ending a 70 year period of captivity. However, Daniel was not permitted to return. He stayed under Persian rule. Xerxes I, the king of kings, put a stop to Cyrus’ decree that next year and the construction of the temple of God was also halted. After Xerxes later married Queen Esther and his son, Darius, took over rule in Babylon at the age of 62, the temple of God was eventually completed. Xerxes heeded and also sent gifts to the dedication of the temple of God. Like the Book of Daniel also detailed, the Persian Empire was overthrown byway of the Greeks under Alexander-the-great. This occurred in 332 B.C. Alexander did not have any heirs to continue a dynasty just as it was prophesized and after he died, the Greek system split up into four systems. The four-system Greek Empire would remain dominant until the rise of the Roman Empire. The Roman Empire was marked by the advent of the new moving star, the Star of Bethlehem [the Sapphire Star].

The unit ‘time’ means 1000 year increments. This is also confirmed in the very name of Daniel. For the name Daniel means ‘a summation or judgment in 1000 year increments’. King David’s son named Daniel [Chileab] from his wife Abigail was born in the year 1000 B.C.


(1) [1 Time] --* 488 BC + 1000 years = A.D. 512
***************What was going on in the year A.D. 512? *************

It was a thousand years after Daniel wrote about that prophesy and the Roman Empire had come and gone! Even more amazing, Jesus Christ had also come in the flesh, ended the Daily Sacrifice to the Jewish temple and left the earth! After Jesus was sacrifice, there was no need to sacrifice lambs every year at PASSOVER or any other sacrifices. Jesus was the spotless lamb. The Roman Empire had the temple of the Jews destroyed and in its place, they eventually built up the temple of Jupiter [Capitoline]. They also built up a temple for Afrodite in that area. The Jews revolted against the Roman system and they lost their struggle in the A.D. 100s. The Romans drove all the Jews out and changed the name of Judaea to become known as Palestine. From then on the Jews were outlawed from even entering in Jerusalem. The days, weeks, months and years of making sacrifices to the temple in Jerusalem became obsolete. Hundreds of years later in A.D. 433, the Huns overthrew the Roman system and by A.D. 476, the Coliseum stopped having exhibitions. By the AD 500s, the Roman Empire split into two systems but, they were no more an empire system.

(2) [Another Time] -- *AD 512 + 1000 years = AD 1512
****************What was going on in the year AD 1512? *************

It was now two thousand years after Daniel wrote about that prophesy and Christopher Columbus had already set sail for the New World in AD 1492. The Spanish system was organized and obsessed over having trade power in the Americas. By 1512, Europeans had already committed inhuman abominations against the aboriginal natives in the Americas. De Soto and Cortez became infamous. But, they were initially held in high esteem by the straight hairs because they thought of them as gods of whom had come to kill off their enemies. The pictures presented in our history books are mostly of straight haired, brown and lighter skinned natives but, the real victims were millions of ‘Black Indians’. In Europe and the Old World, a major propaganda went out against ‘the Infidels’ which were Black people and eventually the negative slogan did just what happened back in the days of the Crusades. It launched a Genocide against black people but this time it was even worse than in the Crusades. The term ‘Infidel’ was a name that was suggested to be against ‘the non-Christians’ but in fact, it was aimed at Black people and not other kinds of people of whom were also ‘non-Christians’. After about a hundred years of Black Genocide attempt, slavery evolved to become a norm. In AD 1776, the English who gained dominance in North America and world trade, Separated from Christianity [the Church] and began ‘the Vote system’, the same system in the Roman Empire whereby a leader could be chosen by ‘a petition’ [election] and did not have to be chosen out of inherited land rights nor blessed by the Holy Spirit! Chattel slavery continued on for another 90 years or so in America. In AD 1865, the Emancipation Proclamation was issued and chattel slavery was outlawed in the books . . . and the prisons have been filling up ever since!!! *****Handcuffs--Handcuffs--Handcuffs****What are the differences between a chained slave and a shackled prisoner?

(3) [A half of ‘a time’] -- *AD 1512 + 500 years = AD 2012
****************What was going on in the year AD 2012!? **************

We do not know yet! This prophecy is still not full! The Bible will have to confirm itself!

This prophecy is based upon the correct measurement of time. Based upon the advent of the Star of Bethlehem [the planet Saturn], the Roman Empire and other important events have been marked. Rome was written to have organized in the 800s B.C. then, it became a Roman Republic in 509 B.C. and then finally a Roman Empire system marked by the Star of Bethlehem, the birth of Jesus Christ and Caesar Augustus [Octavian], the first Roman emperor. Guess What!? This great star has returned! And because of this return of the SAPPHIRE STAR in AD 2002, April 17 and in the same planetary line up as it did 2000 years ago, the errors of our present day dating system has been corrected. The actual birth of Jesus on, April 17, has been confirmed and marked to accuracy and the end of the world prophecy written down by Daniel so long ago can become accurate. Other than A.D. April 17 2002, the last time the planets all lined up in a straight line with the sun was exactly 2000 years ago on April 16 at 6:00 P.M. [April 17; Israel time]. So when the Shepherds looked straight up over head at 6:00 P.M. while Mari gave birth to Jesus, they saw a small white ball move into orbit and then it seemingly stopped right over the barn [manger]. The planetariums that feature ‘THE STAR OF BETHLEHEM’ show every year describe this amazing phenomena as it did occur from the viewpoint of the earth. They do state that this phenomena did occur on April 17. From the earth’s perspective, Saturn moved so fast that it made the planet Jupiter seem like it was moving in reverse. When Saturn seemed to stop moving, there were three balls in a cluster behind an ‘almost full moon’, Mars, Jupiter and the new moving star Saturn. In actuality, all of the planets are very far away from each other but, they were in a straight line up with the sun (including the planet earth). Venus and Mercury were on the other side of the sun. So ultimately, the planet Saturn came into orbit and took its place with this alignment and some of the planets more or less fell into and out of this alignment off and on for a period of 30 years or so afterwards. The same will happen this day. Like Jesus said about ‘the Sign of the Son of man’ [ST MATTHEW 24:30], the star will return again at the pinnacle of yet another great prophecy. At the Crucifixion, the star returned when Jesus was 33 1/2 years old and was over his head in GOLGOTHA at the time of a total solar eclipse! Jesus was about 30 years old when he started his mission and the planet Saturn takes about 30 years to circle the sun [ST LUKE 3:23]. The prophetical destruction of the great city and the Battle of Armageddon has a time gap based upon the movement of the Sign of the Son of man to occur in relation to its circuit around its solar rotation as it lines up behind the earth and yet another total solar eclipse (with the black moon). Its hexagonal pole is gradually turning and aligning up to face the planet earth.

Because of today’s return of this planetary alignment after 2000 years, our date system being off by 2 years has been confirmed. Also, the prophecy of Daniel is based upon this great STAR OF BETHLEHEM in relation to the rule of Belshazzar and the Creation of Adam and etc. If this prophecy of Daniel’s is truth then, it should be proven by the end of 2012. That is about four years from now. No one knows the day or hour as Jesus did say but, Jesus himself put us to the very year. He swore. Will the time of Tribulation come? . . . Watch and Pray. . . Shout it out on the housetops!


488 B.C. – Afterwards; The Battle of Thermopylae [480 BC]
"http://ancienthistory.about.com/cs/weaponswar/p/blpwtherm.htm"
511 – Clovis I died, leaving Frankish kingdom to Orleans to
Chlodomer, …Meroviginan Dynasty
"http://www.packrat-pro.com/timeline/500AD.htm"
"http://www.historycentral.com/dates/500ad.html"
1512 -- ...rights and obligations for Spanish encomenderos…
-In Rome, Michaelangelo …completes the ceiling of the Sistine Chapel
"http://www.scholiast.org/history/timetables/1500s.html"
AD 2002-- April 17, planetary alignment
http://www.wisdomportal.com/PlanetaryAlignment.html

. . . How long shall it be to the end of these wonders? . . .he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, and sware by him that liveth for ever that it shall be for a time, times, and an half; . . . [DANIEL 12:6-7].
"http://quod.lib.umich.edu/cgi/k/kjv/kjv-idx?type=citation&book=Daniel&chapno=12&startverse =6&endverse=7"

And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time[DANIEL 7:25].
"http://quod.lib.umich.edu/cgi/k/kjv/kjv-idx?type=citation&book=Daniel&chapno=7&startverse= 25&endverse" =

..I dont know who you are..and I really dont care. You talk about A007 being disrespectful..your the one being disrespectful. Nothing I said mocked you. Now leave me alone..I'll leave you alone..and we can coexist on this board.

..I dont know who you are..and I really dont care. You talk about A007 being disrespectful..your the one being disrespectful. Nothing I said mocked you. Now leave me alone..I'll leave you alone..and we can coexist on this board.

You referred to these postings as 'nonsense' and if you were not referring to anything in specifics then, I am very regretful that I jumped to conclusions. I hope that you will forgive me and give me another chance.

As for AOO7, I really do not know how to respond. But I do not mean to disrespect him.

that I am not bothered and declare its contents contrived, colluded and mis-representative of the true African prophecy in which it was gleaned thereof.

the 'biblical' JC is not coming back and hopefully neither is this topic:SuN049:

Ase' Fine1952:qqb015:

Why are you so bothered then?

We will all find out by 2013!!!

that I am not bothered and declare its contents contrived, colluded and mis-representative of the true African prophecy in which it was gleaned thereof.

the 'biblical' JC is not coming back and hopefully neither is this topic:SuN049:

Ase' Fine1952:qqb015:


Who cares.

you are really bothered by this post.

A Time, and Times and a half of Time = 2500 years [DANIEL 7:25 & DANIEL 12:6-7]


488 B.C. + 1000 = A.D. 512
A.D. 512 + 1000 = A.D. 1512
A.D. 1512 + 500 = *************A.D. 2012

2009 + 4 Years = 2012

*************And What was going on in the year 488 B.C.?***************


In 488 B.C. according to the Bible timeline, it was the 1st year of the rule of king Belshazzar in present day Iraq [Babylon]. Belshazzar was so evil that many people (including many Israelites of the Diaspora) fled the Mediterranean world and eventually some came all the way over to ‘the New World’ to become apart of the Black Native experiences [a time, and times and a half of time; REVELATIONS 12:14]. According to modern day scholars and the Bible [kjv], the Greeks were in conflict with the Persians and a couple of years earlier in 490 B.C., the Battle of Marathon had occurred. Xerxes I (the Biblical Artaxerxes I/Ahaseurus) headed up that conflict as well as the later one. Daniel wrote that Jesus [the Ancient of Days] said that he would return ‘at the end of the world’ to pass world judgment. Jesus later lifted up his hands and swore by God, the Creator, that he would come back to judge the world. During the rule of the Chaldeans [Blacks] of Babylon, they were having trouble with the Persians. Belshazzar was later slain by the Medo-Persians. In 475 B.C., the same year that Belshazzar was slain, Cyrus-the-great, the ruler of the Persian system in Babylon made a written decree and many Jews were allowed to journey back to Jerusalem ending a 70 year period of captivity. However, Daniel was not permitted to return. He stayed under Persian rule. Xerxes I, the king of kings, put a stop to Cyrus’ decree that next year and the construction of the temple of God was also halted. After Xerxes later married Queen Esther and his son, Darius, took over rule in Babylon at the age of 62, the temple of God was eventually completed. Xerxes heeded and also sent gifts to the dedication of the temple of God. Like the Book of Daniel also detailed, the Persian Empire was overthrown byway of the Greeks under Alexander-the-great. This occurred in 332 B.C. Alexander did not have any heirs to continue a dynasty just as it was prophesized and after he died, the Greek system split up into four systems. The four-system Greek Empire would remain dominant until the rise of the Roman Empire. The Roman Empire was marked by the advent of the new moving star, the Star of Bethlehem [the Sapphire Star].

The unit ‘time’ means 1000 year increments. This is also confirmed in the very name of Daniel. For the name Daniel means ‘a summation or judgment in 1000 year increments’. King David’s son named Daniel [Chileab] from his wife Abigail was born in the year 1000 B.C.


(1) [1 Time] --* 488 BC + 1000 years = A.D. 512
***************What was going on in the year A.D. 512? *************

It was a thousand years after Daniel wrote about that prophesy and the Roman Empire had come and gone! Even more amazing, Jesus Christ had also come in the flesh, ended the Daily Sacrifice to the Jewish temple and left the earth! After Jesus was sacrifice, there was no need to sacrifice lambs every year at PASSOVER or any other sacrifices. Jesus was the spotless lamb. The Roman Empire had the temple of the Jews destroyed and in its place, they eventually built up the temple of Jupiter [Capitoline]. They also built up a temple for Afrodite in that area. The Jews revolted against the Roman system and they lost their struggle in the A.D. 100s. The Romans drove all the Jews out and changed the name of Judaea to become known as Palestine. From then on the Jews were outlawed from even entering in Jerusalem. The days, weeks, months and years of making sacrifices to the temple in Jerusalem became obsolete. Hundreds of years later in A.D. 433, the Huns overthrew the Roman system and by A.D. 476, the Coliseum stopped having exhibitions. By the AD 500s, the Roman Empire split into two systems but, they were no more an empire system.

(2) [Another Time] -- *AD 512 + 1000 years = AD 1512
****************What was going on in the year AD 1512? *************

It was now two thousand years after Daniel wrote about that prophesy and Christopher Columbus had already set sail for the New World in AD 1492. The Spanish system was organized and obsessed over having trade power in the Americas. By 1512, Europeans had already committed inhuman abominations against the aboriginal natives in the Americas. De Soto and Cortez became infamous. But, they were initially held in high esteem by the straight hairs because they thought of them as gods of whom had come to kill off their enemies. The pictures presented in our history books are mostly of straight haired, brown and lighter skinned natives but, the real victims were millions of ‘Black Indians’. In Europe and the Old World, a major propaganda went out against ‘the Infidels’ which were Black people and eventually the negative slogan did just what happened back in the days of the Crusades. It launched a Genocide against black people but this time it was even worse than in the Crusades. The term ‘Infidel’ was a name that was suggested to be against ‘the non-Christians’ but in fact, it was aimed at Black people and not other kinds of people of whom were also ‘non-Christians’. After about a hundred years of Black Genocide attempt, slavery evolved to become a norm. In AD 1776, the English who gained dominance in North America and world trade, Separated from Christianity [the Church] and began ‘the Vote system’, the same system in the Roman Empire whereby a leader could be chosen by ‘a petition’ [election] and did not have to be chosen out of inherited land rights nor blessed by the Holy Spirit! Chattel slavery continued on for another 90 years or so in America. In AD 1865, the Emancipation Proclamation was issued and chattel slavery was outlawed in the books . . . and the prisons have been filling up ever since!!! *****Handcuffs--Handcuffs--Handcuffs****What are the differences between a chained slave and a shackled prisoner?

(3) [A half of ‘a time’] -- *AD 1512 + 500 years = AD 2012
****************What was going on in the year AD 2012!? **************

We do not know yet! This prophecy is still not full! The Bible will have to confirm itself!

This prophecy is based upon the correct measurement of time. Based upon the advent of the Star of Bethlehem [the planet Saturn], the Roman Empire and other important events have been marked. Rome was written to have organized in the 800s B.C. then, it became a Roman Republic in 509 B.C. and then finally a Roman Empire system marked by the Star of Bethlehem, the birth of Jesus Christ and Caesar Augustus [Octavian], the first Roman emperor. Guess What!? This great star has returned! And because of this return of the SAPPHIRE STAR in AD 2002, April 17 and in the same planetary line up as it did 2000 years ago, the errors of our present day dating system has been corrected. The actual birth of Jesus on, April 17, has been confirmed and marked to accuracy and the end of the world prophecy written down by Daniel so long ago can become accurate. Other than A.D. April 17 2002, the last time the planets all lined up in a straight line with the sun was exactly 2000 years ago on April 16 at 6:00 P.M. [April 17; Israel time]. So when the Shepherds looked straight up over head at 6:00 P.M. while Mari gave birth to Jesus, they saw a small white ball move into orbit and then it seemingly stopped right over the barn [manger]. The planetariums that feature ‘THE STAR OF BETHLEHEM’ show every year describe this amazing phenomena as it did occur from the viewpoint of the earth. They do state that this phenomena did occur on April 17. From the earth’s perspective, Saturn moved so fast that it made the planet Jupiter seem like it was moving in reverse. When Saturn seemed to stop moving, there were three balls in a cluster behind an ‘almost full moon’, Mars, Jupiter and the new moving star Saturn. In actuality, all of the planets are very far away from each other but, they were in a straight line up with the sun (including the planet earth). Venus and Mercury were on the other side of the sun. So ultimately, the planet Saturn came into orbit and took its place with this alignment and some of the planets more or less fell into and out of this alignment off and on for a period of 30 years or so afterwards. The same will happen this day. Like Jesus said about ‘the Sign of the Son of man’ [ST MATTHEW 24:30], the star will return again at the pinnacle of yet another great prophecy. At the Crucifixion, the star returned when Jesus was 33 1/2 years old and was over his head in GOLGOTHA at the time of a total solar eclipse! Jesus was about 30 years old when he started his mission and the planet Saturn takes about 30 years to circle the sun [ST LUKE 3:23]. The prophetical destruction of the great city and the Battle of Armageddon has a time gap based upon the movement of the Sign of the Son of man to occur in relation to its circuit around its solar rotation as it lines up behind the earth and yet another total solar eclipse (with the black moon). Its hexagonal pole is gradually turning and aligning up to face the planet earth.

Because of today’s return of this planetary alignment after 2000 years, our date system being off by 2 years has been confirmed. Also, the prophecy of Daniel is based upon this great STAR OF BETHLEHEM in relation to the rule of Belshazzar and the Creation of Adam and etc. If this prophecy of Daniel’s is truth then, it should be proven by the end of 2012. That is about four years from now. No one knows the day or hour as Jesus did say but, Jesus himself put us to the very year. He swore. Will the time of Tribulation come? . . . Watch and Pray. . . Shout it out on the housetops!


488 B.C. – Afterwards; The Battle of Thermopylae [480 BC]
"http://ancienthistory.about.com/cs/weaponswar/p/blpwtherm.htm"
511 – Clovis I died, leaving Frankish kingdom to Orleans to
Chlodomer, …Meroviginan Dynasty
"http://www.packrat-pro.com/timeline/500AD.htm"
"http://www.historycentral.com/dates/500ad.html"
1512 -- ...rights and obligations for Spanish encomenderos…
-In Rome, Michaelangelo …completes the ceiling of the Sistine Chapel
"http://www.scholiast.org/history/timetables/1500s.html"
AD 2002-- April 17, planetary alignment
http://www.wisdomportal.com/PlanetaryAlignment.html

. . . How long shall it be to the end of these wonders? . . .he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, and sware by him that liveth for ever that it shall be for a time, times, and an half; . . . [DANIEL 12:6-7].
"http://quod.lib.umich.edu/cgi/k/kjv/kjv-idx?type=citation&book=Daniel&chapno=12&startverse =6&endverse=7"

And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time[DANIEL 7:25].
"http://quod.lib.umich.edu/cgi/k/kjv/kjv-idx?type=citation&book=Daniel&chapno=7&startverse= 25&endverse" =

You referred to these postings as 'nonsense' and if you were not referring to anything in specifics then, I am very regretful that I jumped to conclusions. I hope that you will forgive me and give me another chance.

As for AOO7, I really do not know how to respond. But I do not mean to disrespect him.

Dove, Linda referred to it as nonsense because when a person is asked DIRECT questions and those questions are ignored on more than one occasion, then it is disrespectful and dishonest. You have also made statements that still remain uncorroborated.

In addition, you have called me names and been intentionally hurtful. So, I completely understand why Linda said what she said. Can you blame her? No response necessary.

Peace and Love

I do not know what kind of 'intentional names' I've called you. But, I will look back through the post to see if I have. If have 'intentionally tried to be hurtful', I might have been on the defense about my research but, I just don't know exactly what is being referred to. I will try to figure it out. I hope that I did not try to 'intenionally be hurtful to you' though. If I did, I will try to figure it out and make amends.

:SuN049:

I think like an adult and center my truths around well-researched facts and valid proofs rather than supersititions and childish notions.

Ase':qqb015:

Who cares.

you are really bothered by this post.

for other fellow bible thumpers -- :geek:

Ase':qqb015:

I decided to log on again because, although I have not browsed back to see what could be 'the problem', it's bothering me. I did not intend to make any personal attacks . . . hope I didn't . . .

But in respect to this post and my research, I'm thinking that it might be based upon THE OLD TESTAMENT!


Even though, I have strong feeling about my research and have found a lot of information . . . my ultimate intentions is not just be free from racial oppression and persecutions that goes along with the history of America but, it is for everybody who wants peace and goodwill. One of the first post that I responded to was the very basis for why I think the Bible is a great compilation of past written works! King James is one of the greatest men in this world [in my opinion] and then there are so many more. I don't know if I'm 'making amends' or not yet but, I'm trying. I believe that, even though some people may be 'against the Bible' because it's has been used to divide racially and records so much history about issues that involve 'slavery', and governmental enslavement and etc., I see so much incredible stories about people from every walk of life in the Bible, like King James, Queen Elizabeth and etc. that have stood against this kind of human degradation in both the Old and New Testament. I just hope that if you don't agree with my research that you at least don't attack the whole Bible but, just certain issues. Because maybe then, I can show you that I have no intentions of being against people just governments that support certain issues. My personal belief is so strong about human nature and goodwill that transcends all of this American history with regards to using, not only the Bible but, many other tools to divide us as humans. I don't know if that helps but, I hope this helps to make amends. I really did not mean to make a personal attack. I hope that if I did, I can make peace.

I decided to log on again because, although I have not browsed back to see what could be 'the problem', it's bothering me. I did not intend to make any personal attacks . . . hope I didn't . . .

But in respect to this post and my research, I'm thinking that it might be based upon THE OLD TESTAMENT!


Even though, I have strong feeling about my research and have found a lot of information . . . my ultimate intentions is not just be free from racial oppression and persecutions that goes along with the history of America but, it is for everybody who wants peace and goodwill. One of the first post that I responded to was the very basis for why I think the Bible is a great compilation of past written works! King James is one of the greatest men in this world [in my opinion] and then there are so many more. I don't know if I'm 'making amends' or not yet but, I'm trying. I believe that, even though some people may be 'against the Bible' because it's has been used to divide racially and records so much history about issues that involve 'slavery', and governmental enslavement and etc., I see so much incredible stories about people from every walk of life in the Bible, like King James, Queen Elizabeth and etc. that have stood against this kind of human degradation in both the Old and New Testament. I just hope that if you don't agree with my research that you at least don't attack the whole Bible but, just certain issues. Because maybe then, I can show you that I have no intentions of being against people just governments that support certain issues. My personal belief is so strong about human nature and goodwill that transcends all of this American history with regards to using, not only the Bible but, many other tools to divide us as humans. I don't know if that helps but, I hope this helps to make amends. I really did not mean to make a personal attack. I hope that if I did, I can make peace.

"yOU ARE FRAUDULENT AND PUT OUT FALSE INFO ON THIS BLACK MESSAGE BOARD but, you are allowed to do it."

"YOU SOUND LIKE THE SLAVE MASTER DICTATION WHAT HE WANTS TO THE SLAVE. BUT YOU THINK YOU CAN GET AWAY WITH THIS ON THIS BLACK MESSAGE BOARD!"

"YOU MOCK BLACK PEOPLE"

"You sound like the slave masters that taught my ancestors on the slave yard."
"Your still fraudulent because its about this government!"

Now, if you are trying to apologize, it is not even necessary. I have endured worse at the hands and words of bible believers. It seems your quest for peace many times ends up with you all hurling insults and attacks at those of us who are trying to wake you up. It is ironic to say the least.

I understand what you are trying to do...but YOU HAVE TO UNDERSTAND that no peace can be accomplished with a book that is not true and a people suspending truth, logic, and common sense in order to continue to believe such a book.

Peace and Love

"yOU ARE FRAUDULENT AND PUT OUT FALSE INFO ON THIS BLACK MESSAGE BOARD but, you are allowed to do it."

"YOU SOUND LIKE THE SLAVE MASTER DICTATION WHAT HE WANTS TO THE SLAVE. BUT YOU THINK YOU CAN GET AWAY WITH THIS ON THIS BLACK MESSAGE BOARD!"

"YOU MOCK BLACK PEOPLE"

"You sound like the slave masters that taught my ancestors on the slave yard."
"Your still fraudulent because its about this government!"

Now, if you are trying to apologize, it is not even necessary. I have endured worse at the hands and words of bible believers. It seems your quest for peace many times ends up with you all hurling insults and attacks at those of us who are trying to wake you up. It is ironic to say the least.

I understand what you are trying to do...but YOU HAVE TO UNDERSTAND that no peace can be accomplished with a book that is not true and a people suspending truth, logic, and common sense in order to continue to believe such a book.

Peace and Love

I've tried to make peace with you because you say that I have made 'personal attacks against you'. Now, the fact that you just stated that 'the Bible is not true' means that you have 'discounted my whole purpose being that I, through my ancestors were brought over hear to America for this purpose' and the Bible is still being upheld in the federal courts today. This Bible is sworn upon in federal and state courts by law therefore, as I have said before, it is not about 'belief' but, it is about holding this government responsible for the contents upon which they swear upon.

What you and others do not understand when they support you for 'disrespecting me' is that I still have a right to free speech and the theme of this forum is mainly set up for 'my voice' as an African American. You come against 'the Black Church' that was founded upon 'the Bible' and as I have said, you are being allowed to do this and there is where the fault lies. I've tried to make amends.

It is ludicrous for an African American to uphold the American curriculum concerning George Washington, the Roman Empire history and etc. and not hold America responsible for not 'formally teaching us' the correct information written in the Bible upon which this nation was founded upon. The federal government should have alloted 'tax money' out for this. It's not about your belief in the validity of the Bible, its about 'instruction' on what they uphold.

You are really a serious affront but, you do not understand and I believe based upon the Bible, you never will. However, I don't mean to disrespect you personally.

I've tried to make peace with you because you say that I have made 'personal attacks against you'. Now, the fact that you just stated that 'the Bible is not true' means that you have 'discounted my whole purpose being that I, through my ancestors were brought over hear to America for this purpose' and the Bible is still being upheld in the federal courts today. This Bible is sworn upon in federal and state courts by law therefore, as I have said before, it is not about 'belief' but, it is about holding this government responsible for the contents upon which they swear upon.

What you and others do not understand when they support you for 'disrespecting me' is that I still have a right to free speech and the theme of this forum is mainly set up for 'my voice' as an African American. You come against 'the Black Church' that was founded upon 'the Bible' and as I have said, you are being allowed to do this and there is where the fault lies. I've tried to make amends.

It is ludicrous for an African American to uphold the American curriculum concerning George Washington, the Roman Empire history and etc. and not hold America responsible for not 'formally teaching us' the correct information written in the Bible upon which this nation was founded upon. The federal government should have alloted 'tax money' out for this. It's not about your belief in the validity of the Bible, its about 'instruction' on what they uphold.

You are really a serious affront but, you do not understand and I believe based upon the Bible, you never will. However, I don't mean to disrespect you personally.

I have not said anything "disrespectful". I have only spoken the truth about the bible. This is not directed at you. I am just informing you that it is not true. Belief has nothing to do with it...I agree with you. Either something is TRUE or it is UNTRUE...there is no "belief" associated with truth.

1 + 1 = 2 True

The sky is blue True (because we have accepted the color blue)

We need water to live True

The earth can have light without the sun False

There was a WORLD flood False

The story of a Messiah was stolen from us True


These things have no personal attachments. It simply is or isn't true. That is all I am trying to convey. The bible simply isn't true. That's all. I don't mean to hurt your feelings by stating the truth.

Peace and Love

I have not said anything "disrespectful". I have only spoken the truth about the bible. This is not directed at you. I am just informing you that it is not true. Belief has nothing to do with it...I agree with you. Either something is TRUE or it is UNTRUE...there is no "belief" associated with truth.

1 + 1 = 2 True

The sky is blue True (because we have accepted the color blue)

We need water to live True

The earth can have light without the sun False

There was a WORLD flood False

The story of a Messiah was stolen from us True


These things have no personal attachments. It simply is or isn't true. That is all I am trying to convey. The bible simply isn't true. That's all. I don't mean to hurt your feelings by stating the truth.

Peace and Love

It's your truth but, it is a lie. The Bible is truth and the Black Church is based upon it. Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. came out of the Black Church and this was the whole foundation of the Civil Rights Movement.

As far as 'disrespect', as I have said, you are allowed to do this because of 'respect of persons'. That one of the flaws of Democracy.

the color blue is not true because 'we accept it'! It is true because it relates to this earth. The word 'blue' has to related to 'something on this earth' and contrasted and compared with other words and LANGUAGES before it can be considered 'TRUTH'!

The Great World Flood is based upon 'science' and the secular scientist also accept this as truth because it has to do with the major geological changes that occurred in this earth such as the 'earth's tilt'. As a matter of fact, this was the very basis that sparked 'THE FRENCH REVOLUTION'[!], according to certain documentaries.

At any rate, the Bible will confirm itself in about 4 years. The Bible has been synchronized by the return of the STAR OF BETHLEHEM of which is the basis of this research.

So far, the planet earth has split two times and both times it was about 2000 years apart. According to the Book of REVELATION, this will occur shortly.

It's your truth but, it is a lie. The Bible is truth and the Black Church is based upon it. Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. came out of the Black Church and this was the whole foundation of the Civil Rights Movement.

As far as 'disrespect', as I have said, you are allowed to do this because of 'respect of persons'. That one of the flaws of Democracy.

the color blue is not true because 'we accept it'! It is true because it relates to this earth. The word 'blue' has to related to 'something on this earth' and contrasted and compared with other words and LANGUAGES before it can be considered 'TRUTH'!

The Great World Flood is based upon 'science' and the secular scientist also accept this as truth because it has to do with the major geological changes that occurred in this earth such as the 'earth's tilt'. As a matter of fact, this was the very basis that sparked 'THE FRENCH REVOLUTION'[!], according to certain documentaries.

At any rate, the Bible will confirm itself in about 4 years. The Bible has been synchronized by the return of the STAR OF BETHLEHEM of which is the basis of this research.

So far, the planet earth has split two times and both times it was about 2000 years apart. According to the Book of REVELATION, this will occur shortly.

All I can say is WE WILL SEE.

That is why I asked you...What are you prepared to do when the prophecy fails? I know you won't answer that. But, it is something you need to prepare yourself for. Will you continue to place such power on the bible when it fails?

By the way, what do you think of the Metu Neter?

Peace and Love

All I can say is WE WILL SEE.

That is why I asked you...What are you prepared to do when the prophecy fails? I know you won't answer that. But, it is something you need to prepare yourself for. Will you continue to place such power on the bible when it fails?

By the way, what do you think of the Metu Neter?

Peace and Love

Because James offered it, I am very interested in getting my hands on the Metu Neter but, as of yet, I haven't visited 'a Black bookstore'. he told me that I would have to get it from there. There is one store not too far from me and another in the neighboring city. So, I haven't seen the book yet.

As far as your question about 'after the prophecy', I simply do not know how to answer that. The prophecy of 2012 is based upon what Jesus said, [paraphrasing] 'no man knows the day or hour' . . .. Based upon the Bible prophecy and science [and measurement], Jesus put us to the very year of this prophecy but, not the exact 'day or hour'. One major significant issue about 'the year' has to do with 'the New Year'. The scientific New Year is based upon 'the Spring Equinox' but, the Israel New Year is different. And another issue is 'the Persian government', 'the Babylonian government' and today's American government. Their 'New year' dates all vary so, . . . who can say!?

Another significant reason why, I cannot respond to your question with a 'direct answer' as I think you perhaps desire has to do with this research. . . . I'm shocked! Even though I present the research and I accept the science, the exact correlation to all of the 'hype' about other secular 2012 prophecies to the point in which it seems like a growing obsession, I cannot believe this government of whom built up on the basis of the Bible would completely omit teaching us that it is in fact, in the Bible! I see the scientific signs because, I researched it based upon a comparison and contrast of other historical records but, this government offers nothing and, it shocks me.

I see people driving around with 'Saturn' cars, I see Toyota emblem of 'the planet Saturn' and I see so many other references to 'the planet Saturn' and, it seems like there is a unified effort to deceive African Americans. . . and it is just shocking. I went to see the show at the planetarium called, 'The Star of Bethlehem' and heard that it is 'the longest running show in the world' . . . nobody bothered to tell African Americans, not in the school nor in our Churches . . . I think this government is so deceptive. All of these actions and others makes me believe more and more but, my answer to what will happen after 'the prophecy' is something that I don't focus upon because I'm still trying to grasp what is occurring presently with the governmental ommission of the very issue of; the Star of Bethlehem.

Right after going to see the show at the planetarium, I went to work and one of my co-workers, a foreign man, walked up to me and surprised me by what he said. He had no idea that I had went to see the show the past weekend and he said, "Jesus was not born in December, he was born in April under the Star of Bethlehem"[!].

I was so stunned! Although, I'm not Catholic, he was and even still, I would love to hear him talk ever so often because he was so honest in his approach on certain other subjects. He was so candid about many issues and had such an appreciation for the African American culture as I did his culture. He confirmed my research so quickly that it still surprises me today. Again, I don't think about 'what would happen after 2012' regarding 'the end of the world' because I'm still grappling with the new found research. Based upon further evidence, I believe that there will be other incredible events that will go on for the next 1000 years but, the governments that exist in the world today will be completely changed. I believe that we will be faced with the repercussions of certain governments making all of their nuclear bombs and etc.