Hey all,

A recent debate in Destee forums prompted me to start a poll, and request that Destee members help me out in my conducting this study. It is very simple. I am requesting that you take at least one whole day, and simply make a mental (or even written) record of the variations of interracial couples you notice in your area during the average day.

If you see a male and female together anyplace who are clearly "together" in that public place, office, on the street, wherever, regardless of whether you are certain they are a couple, note them as a couple, and report the results of what you see on an average day. That's right, we are taking our own census here, which in my opinion, would be most reliable.

Thank you for your participation. Poll will run one month.

looking round from above :look: i'll get back

In the field that I am in, I see hundreds of interracial couples. I must say that most of the brothas are doing most of the crossing over but far more sistahs who cross over are actually marrying. What concerns me is the bashing going on between them. If a sistah or a brotha wants to cross over, that's their business (but they should do it for love and NOT color) and their children will play a very important role
in helping to deaden the effects of racism and help eliminate a
majority race syndrome.
Most of the brothas who crossover here in NW Florida are either shacking or playing the white sistahs. There are also several younger black men with older white women who feed and provide for them...this to me is very sad. The vast majority of white women here with mixed children have no brotha in the home as husband. This is not good, because the children grow up many times, not knowing how to relate to black people of whom they are.

Thank you for replying to this, Joyce. I forgot all about the thread. I see from the results that it seems the black male/white female coupling is most common according to most observations, followed by black female/white male. During the time that I was making a conscious note of the couplings, I did in fact notice that more black females are "crossing over" than I had really noticed before, though still not as commonly as black males.

The fact that the black women tend to actually marry when they cross over (more often than black males) says to me that they are crossing over for love more often, as opposed to black males (what's their reason, if not love?).

If I might address one comment made by Joyce, I agree to an extent that "their children will play a very important role
in helping to deaden the effects of racism and help eliminate a
majority race syndrome." On the one hand, they do play a role in doing such, but they also incidentally play a role in potentially helping to perpetuate racism (white supremacy/black subjugation). How so? Being that most biracial children look neither clearly "black" nor clearly "white", when seen, the issue of race difference inevitably comes to mind. That's one part of it. Because black people and white people are literally "like night and day" physically, when you see them together, the difference is evident, whether you want to be "color-blind" or not. It's like if you see a very obese person paired with a very thin person. It's noticeable whether you wish to notice or not.

The other thing is that many people, accept it or not, pair with opposite race partners for the sake of being with the opposite race (or for the sake of not being with one's own race). That situation perpetuates racism, regardless of the race of the person with the poor intentions. When a child is born in such a context, racism is perpetuated through that child. For example, black female prefers white men (I have a cousin who fits this example). She thinks white is superior. She bears half-white children. She teaches those children (even if not blatantly) that they are "prettier", better, etc. because they are a bit less black than other black children. Hence, racism perpetuated through the child. Much of society (particularly many black folk) fawns over the appearance of the child, who does not look as Afrikhan as he/she would without the diluted blood. Hence, racism perpetuated through the child. It depends greatly on what type of parents are rearing the child. If the parent(s) fail(s) to teach that child to embrace his/her Afrikhan ancestry, Afrikhan homeland and Afrikhan phenotype AT LEAST AS EQUALLY as that child will be taught to embrace his/her european ancestry, american soil, and european phenotype, then racism will be perpetuated through that child against him/herself and against others of non-anglo-saxon ancestry.

Yes I agree and I believe I touched upon this with this statement:
The vast majority of white women here with mixed children have no brotha in the home as husband. This is not good, because the children grow up many times, not knowing how to relate to black people of whom they are.

End of quote.

I feel however, that this (interracial issue) is not what we should be concerning ourselves with. Whether brotha or sistahs cross over for love or color or both is their business. We as a race, have more pressing issues such as AIDS, abortion, black on black crime and (fact...in Florida, we have more black men in prison than we do in the population) prison and drugs. In fact, less than twenty percent of the brothas crossover. The sistahs still have the majority underneath their wings. I think the heat is high on this issue because fewer sisters are not actually getting the type of man, they really want and then when they see a white woman with a brotha, they don't like it. But, many times they don't know what that white woman is willing to "put up" with in order to keep that brotha happy. Trust me, you'd be surprised most time.

Personally, I think if we as a people, increase our energies in dealing with the other issues above, then this will ultimately produce a better people for a better black community.

Joyce i agree black on black crime at a new high
and aids in a random fast past life has taken it's turn
all i know is what i am and what i will do ...................

The problem of "crossing over" is interrelated to those other problems you mentioned. Crossing is intimately, intricately related to racism and to disunity among people of Afrikhan ancestry and to the disintigration of the black family.

Ebony males are contracting HIV/AIDS at a far higher rate than Ebony females, yet it is easier for a FEMALE to contract. Think about that. The most common method of infection is by far sexually, not intravenously. What does that tell us? THEY ARE NOT CONTRACTING IT FROM EBONY FEMALES. They are contracting it most often from white females and from other males. THAT is an issue to be dealt with.

You said:
. The most common method of infection is by far sexually, not intravenously. What does that tell us? THEY ARE NOT CONTRACTING IT FROM EBONY FEMALES. They are contracting it most often from white females and from other males.
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I agree that contact is most likely by sexual activity. However, I have not seen any statistics basing it mainly upon their contact with white females.

I am only aware of the serious practice among many brothas, termed as "down low" . This practice has been heavily blamed for the reason so many black females have the disease. This is where a brotha accepts money (or does it for free) to give
anal sex to a homosexual...secretly. But openly, he is a heterosexual...not revealing that he will go both ways if the money is right. In fact, he doesn't consider himself to be bisexual.

While "crossing over" is not embraced by most sistahs, it is not (in my opinion) going to disintegrate the black community. Black men can have any race of female he wants, but BY FAR he still chooses a sistah more often. If the black community is breaking down (which we are beginning to rise up), it is from moral standpoints and not "crossing over". Abortion, AIDS, drugs, black on black homicide, porn on TV, music and the internet and on and on and on. Read what one black woman has observed concerned an issue which has the stongest chance of putting a serious dent, over time, in the black community:

Erma Clardy Craven, Social Worker and Civil Rights Leader:

"Several years ago, when 17,000 aborted babies were found in a dumpster outside a pathology laboratory in Los Angeles, California, some 12-15,000 were observed to be black. Wake up America, and relive Dr. Martin Luther King's Dream! The way of abortion is the way back into bondage!"

Source:http://www.prolifeinfo.org/upl10.html

Short (fact filled) Essay On The Serious Problem Of "Down Low". (http://www.hivdent.org/publicp/pptdoldlb032001.htm)

"Ebony males are contracting HIV/AIDS at a far higher rate than Ebony females"

other way around, IR's are putrid and I notice people are once again pushing the whole "date outside your race you dont know what you're missing" crap to make it seem like black/black unions are rare or unable to work. A person once told me that his friend was called a racist because he was with a black woman! lol silly, but anywho onto the poll, up here i would say it's a tie between black males and white/asian/NA women and black women with white/white hispanic males. but white male asian women lead by landslide.

Black men are not dating out enough to say they're getting it from white females, especially when stats show AIDS/HIV is not as much of a problem in the white community.

I think black men are getting it from drugs, sexual activity with men (whether it's on the down-low or being raped in prison), and black women who have also done drugs and/or had sex with HIV positive men.

Either way, if you have sex and you're not married USE A CONDOM! It doesn't matter the race, gender, or sexual preference of your partner.

Concerning those statistic, I had read an article a long while back. It stated that the statistics that they collect are based from free health clinics in poor neighborhoods. It also went on to say how, Middle class and rich people go to private clinics and is less likely to release information pertaining to their patients. I don't know how accurate this is, but it is something to consider when looking at the statistics. It's possible that the results are way off by a landslide.

I'm not saying this to undermine the growing problems that our people face. We still need to take precautions. Many are giving birth to babies that carry the virus in their blood. The medical staff tells parents it is treatable from early stages , And they have a high chance at immunizing the fetus while still in the womb. Many children grow up never knowing that their parents was HIV positive. They never suspect that they too had been exposed to this nasty virus. You would be surprized how many people walking around
are carriers with no symptoms at all. They have no symptoms so they have no worries. They don't bother to get their bi yearly check ups.

As far as interracial dating goes, I live in a small town not far from Albany NY.
This town is swarming with interracial dating and mulatto children. For the most part I see more Black men with white women. I have seen some Black women too, but like Sister Nia stated, the black women are married to the white men. My observation of the interaction of the black children and the mulatto children seem to be a happy one. Children don't understand the mental affects it will have on them as the grow older. The mullatto child is mostly praised as being so beautiful from both the Black and white community. I have noticed a divide between the high yellow girls and the darker girls, when the children reach middle school age. They boys seem to not be affected much by it . The girls divide into three catorgories when choosing their best friend, they tend to group based on their complexion, they still interact with each in a non-hostile way. One can not see the mental damage until it surfaces to the top, and or spoken out against publicly. Interracial dating does hurt the Black race, but no one has a right to tell another whom they should date, or lable that person in a negative manor because we don't agree.

That's easy...

I see more white men with Asian women than any other interracial couples.

Then comes white men with Latino women.

Then white men with AfroAmerican women.

Followed closely by AfroAmerican men with white women.



Karma

I think black men are getting it from drugs, sexual activity with men (whether it's on the down-low or being raped in prison), and black women who have also done drugs and/or had sex with HIV positive men.


I agree with this.

I think black women are getting HIV primarily from black men.

And black men are getting it primarily from prison through rape and being injected with it by prison staff under the guise of vaccinations and medical treatment.

I think black women are getting HIV primarily from black men.

And black men are getting it primarily from prison through rape and being injected with it by prison staff under the guise of vaccinations and medical treatment.

This is all the more reason to try and stay out of prison!

black/latino

I've always seen more black men with white women. It's a shame that it seems so normal. But I'm always taken aback when I see a sister with a white man. It's not as common, but is increasing in numbers.

Ledda

I've always seen more black men with white women. It's a shame that it seems so normal. But I'm always taken aback when I see a sister with a white man. It's not as common, but is increasing in numbers.


When I was younger I used to see more black men with white women.
I almost NEVER saw a black woman with a white man as a kid growing up in the 80s.

Now, 85% of the black male white female couples I see are in their 30s or older but in the younger generation it's vice versa. Mostly white boys with black girls.


I can't even go to the mall without seeing some goofy looking white boy with his hair cut low wearing baggy jeans gripping some sista who doesn't know how to properly apply her make-up.

You can't help but to see them because the white boy will go out of his way to make sure every brutha in the vicinity takes notice.

where do you live? I notice that too in the suburban areas

I live in Arizona in the Phoenix area but it's going on everwhere.

While young bruthaz are on the corner clowing and acting a fool, young white boys are busy imitating us to not only keep their girls....but snatch up our young sistaz as well.



Look at the Janet Jackson/Justin Timberlake flap...

What the heck is a fine black woman in her forties thinking to let a scruffy white boy barely out of puberty put his hands all over her?

Can you imagine Celine Dion allowing Nelly to freak her up and down on stage?


It's propaganda....
They're sending a message to our young girls that it's now OK...white men are in and cool.....leave that dirty dog of a negro alone and get with them.

Ledda




When I was younger I used to see more black men with white women.
I almost NEVER saw a black woman with a white man as a kid growing up in the 80s.

Now, 85% of the black male white female couples I see are in their 30s or older but in the younger generation it's vice versa. Mostly white boys with black girls.


I can't even go to the mall without seeing some goofy looking white boy with his hair cut low wearing baggy jeans gripping some sista who doesn't know how to properly apply her make-up.

You can't help but to see them because the white boy will go out of his way to make sure every brutha in the vicinity takes notice.



Now here, I have to agree with you Ralf, I see it quite a bit

Sek

Now here, I have to agree with you Ralf, I see it quite a bit

Respect...

About Justin, he left Janet out there in the wake of the 'wardrobe malfunction' as did Vanessa L Williams white biyfriend DID when the pics came out years ago. Goes to show to sistahs who bash brothas(not too many here that I know of), a white man can leave you out there- as a no good brotha does!!!!

About Justin, he left Janet out there in the wake of the 'wardrobe malfunction' as did Vanessa L Williams white biyfriend DID when the pics came out years ago. Goes to show to sistahs who bash brothas(not too many here that I know of), a white man can leave you out there- as a no good brotha does!!!!

Don't forget to mention Shar Jackson!

Either way, if you have sex and you're not married USE A CONDOM! It doesn't matter the race, gender, or sexual preference of your partner.


amen. People need to start protecting themselves and take responsibility.

pan, recent history. But in all three cases, bet all those sisters about mouth offed about how bad Black men were, till 'it' happened to them. Speculating on my part, now.

Brutha Pan

Maximum

Don't forget to mention Shar Jackson!
Shar Jackson....

Didn't she play on Family Matters or Moesha?

What happened with her?





Yaphet

About Justin, he left Janet out there in the wake of the 'wardrobe malfunction' as did Vanessa L Williams white biyfriend DID when the pics came out years ago. Goes to show to sistahs who bash brothas(not too many here that I know of), a white man can leave you out there- as a no good brotha does!!!!
I'm just trying to figure out....

I know how a lot of sistaz are about age, maturity, and what not.

Like Jay-Z said: I remember vividly what these streets did to me!

I remember doggone well when I was 21 and 22 I couldn't get NO PLAY from a fine sista in her late 30s and 40s....it wasn't happening.

Bruthaz around my age just had to reconcile in the fact that we were too young to play, couldn't handle it.


Now I'm trying to figure out how one of the finest sistaz lets a scruffy little white boy who's voice sounds like it's still breaking....how she let him freak her up and down on those videos and grab on her tiddies !?!?

Shar Jackson....Didn't she play on Family Matters or Moesha?
What happened with her?

You haven’t heard? Shar Jackson is proof that a black woman can have a white man and still become an unmarried baby momma. She has four bi-racial babies by at least two white men. The father of her youngest two left her while pregnant to start a relationship with Britney Spears (he is now married to her). Meanwhile Shar shamelessly cries to the media (any outlet that will listen) about how Spears stole her white man.

http://www.starmagazine.com/news/61639

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/04/24/entertainment/main690453.shtml

How many children do Shar has? Thought her oldest child was by a Black teenager when she was a teenager herself and probably THOUGHT all Black men was bad at that point. Boy did LIFE teach her something different later. To quote Fabulous Ray on the Tom Joyner WEEKEND show-'SHUUUUUUT UP!!! -Shar.

How many children do Shar has? Thought her oldest child was by a Black teenager when she was a teenager herself and probably THOUGHT all Black men was bad at that point. Boy did LIFE teach her something different later. To quote Fabulous Ray on the Tom Joyner WEEKEND show-'SHUUUUUUT UP!!! -Shar.

I believe all four children are biracial. I've read reports which have stated this, currently I am looking for pics online.

No matter, the girl is, in a politically incorrect term-a ditz. If what you are saying is true, pan.

No matter, the girl is, in a politically incorrect term-a ditz. If what you are saying is true, pan.

It ain't what I'm saying, read the articles I've provided...this is straight from the horses mouth!

P.S. Here are the pictures as promised:

No pan, don't doubt you. Read both articles, don't have a clue of who the baby daddy of the oldest yet. Will research myself, when I got time. Another ditz is a porn star called Too Pretty for Porn(don't blame me, she named herself). She is crackish(maybe use or not-but she seem be high on some films of her I saw). She used to be a legit child actress, played on the Bill Cosby Show as Theo's girlfriend in school-not high school. Said her first man was a white kid if believed, in an interview she did.

No pan, don't doubt you. Read both articles, don't have a clue of who the baby daddy of the oldest yet. Will research myself, when I got time. Another ditz is a porn star called Too Pretty for Porn(don't blame me, she named herself). She is crackish(maybe use or not-but she seem be high on some films of her I saw). She used to be a legit child actress, played on the Bill Cosby Show as Theo's girlfriend in school-not high school. Said her first man was a white kid if believed, in an interview she did.

My mistake yaphet al-wynn, you were questioning the race of the oldest child's father. I read that all her children are bi-racial, but I might be wrong about that. Irregardless of whether they are or not, my ultimate point is that white men don't treat women any differently than black men do. If a man loves a woman & respects her, then he will take care of her. If he doesn't, then he will use her. He will do this no matter what his color or her color!

Gotcha'!!!!

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