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As we look around today, we see a group of socalled black men and women doing things our past leaders did not die for.

Can you do drugs and claim to be a black man or woman?

Can you not become educated or not push your children to do so and claim to be a black man or woman?

Can you let your pants sag or wear hoochey clothes and claim to be a black man or woman?

Can you not vote and claim to be a black man or woman?

Can you sell drugs and claim to be a black man or woman?

We all know many in our family, friends and aquaintences that are doing one or more of the above. Many that read this are doing them as well. How can we then claim to honor the teachings of of them that died for us and not come close to following? If we are doing these things shouldnt it then be ok to call us anything but black?

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IN MY HOME , I HAVE 32 PICTURES OF BLACK PEOPLE ON MY WALLS....

ROSA PARKS , MARTIN LUTHER KING , MALCOLM X , HUEY P. NEWTON & BOBBY SEALE ARE INDEED AMONG THEM....

I BUY T-SHIRTS WITH THEIR PICTURES ON THEM ALL YEAR LONG AND I WEAR THEM EACH SATURDAY REGARDLESS OF MY ACTIVITIES....(unless im attending a funeral)....

WHENEVER I SEE A YOUNG BROTHER WALKING WITH HIS HEAD DOWN I STOP RIGHT THERE AND REMIND HIM OF HOW MARTIN LUTHER KING AND OTHER BLACK MEN WENT TO JAIL WITH THEIR HEADS UP....FACED WITH MUCH WORSE THAN WHATEVER REASON HIS HEAD IS DOWN....

I TELL HIM NO MATTER WHAT IT IS HE VALUES.....ALWAYS WALK WITH HIS HEAD UP......SO HE CAN AT LEAST PARTIALLY SEE WHERE HE WANTS TO OR SHOULD GO.....

I HAVE BEEN CRITICIZED FOR THIS , BY MY WOMAN AND CLOSE FRIENDS & RELATIVES , AND SOMETIMES BY THE YOUNG BROTHER . BUT I KNOW THAT BEFORE THE SUN GOES DOWN THAT DAY , HE WILL GIVE SOME KIND OF THOUGHT AS TO WHAT JUST HAPPENED....AND TO ME , ITS WORTH IT .

I KNOW ITS NOT ENOUGH , BUT I KNOW ITS BETTER THAN PASSING JUDGEMENT , AS I DRIVE BY.....


WARRIOR

Define "Honor"

I don't think anyone honors anyone nowadays. Even if your getting a paid holiday for it.

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Define "Honor"

I don't think anyone honors anyone nowadays. Even if your getting a paid holiday for it.

What is the definition of honor in this aspect?

Is a better word respect? Marcus, Malcolm, Elijah, Rosa Parks did and taught things that was relevent to that time. Even though alot of their works and teachings still hold true and have divine meaning the time is now and not the past and we should be more focused on what is happening today. Actually the government wants us to keep focusing on the people mentioned. This is part of a death ritual that we are trapped in.
We want to respect these elders by building on what they help build and learn the teachings that is in front of us now which was less available in the past because of the people's unreadiness. If there is too much continued energy on the past there will be no more improvement in consciousness or your life but you will go back to a mental experience of those past times. The most beastful folks wouldnt want to relive slavery.
Our ancestors are alive now but are just in other bodies than what they were.
We are the ancestors. We can meditate on the ancestors and their energies as they lived before or draw energy from our collectiveness thats here in the present.
There is a thin line between accepting energy of a person of the past and everything else that was happening in that past along with it.

This is an argument that I continuously have with my mother.

She says that this current generation does nothing to further the struggle. I ask, Why do you say that? Everything that you fought for has been realized. I have the education that you marched and boycotted to obtain. We can go to the same places they go. The problem is y'all set the bar too low and didn't ask for what y'all really wanted. You wanted to be able to do as the white man. And you can. But now you realize that you should have asked for more and different.

It's backwards for us to aspire to be like the white man. And it's stupid to look for validation from them. Who are they to validate us? Civil rights did not free our minds. Some of us are now far more dependant on the white man than we were a generation ago. And why? Because now we are 'free' to act and do like them. We have forgotten who we are.


Peace

It makes no sense to argue with her. Alot of people are evidently trapped in a certain time.

IN MY HOME , I HAVE 32 PICTURES OF BLACK PEOPLE ON MY WALLS....

ROSA PARKS , MARTIN LUTHER KING , MALCOLM X , HUEY P. NEWTON & BOBBY SEALE ARE INDEED AMONG THEM....

I BUY T-SHIRTS WITH THEIR PICTURES ON THEM ALL YEAR LONG AND I WEAR THEM EACH SATURDAY REGARDLESS OF MY ACTIVITIES....(unless im attending a funeral)....

WHENEVER I SEE A YOUNG BROTHER WALKING WITH HIS HEAD DOWN I STOP RIGHT THERE AND REMIND HIM OF HOW MARTIN LUTHER KING AND OTHER BLACK MEN WENT TO JAIL WITH THEIR HEADS UP....FACED WITH MUCH WORSE THAN WHATEVER REASON HIS HEAD IS DOWN....

I TELL HIM NO MATTER WHAT IT IS HE VALUES.....ALWAYS WALK WITH HIS HEAD UP......SO HE CAN AT LEAST PARTIALLY SEE WHERE HE WANTS TO OR SHOULD GO.....

I HAVE BEEN CRITICIZED FOR THIS , BY MY WOMAN AND CLOSE FRIENDS & RELATIVES , AND SOMETIMES BY THE YOUNG BROTHER . BUT I KNOW THAT BEFORE THE SUN GOES DOWN THAT DAY , HE WILL GIVE SOME KIND OF THOUGHT AS TO WHAT JUST HAPPENED....AND TO ME , ITS WORTH IT .

I KNOW ITS NOT ENOUGH , BUT I KNOW ITS BETTER THAN PASSING JUDGEMENT , AS I DRIVE BY.....


WARRIOR




Amen to that!



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Define "Honor"

I don't think anyone honors anyone nowadays. Even if your getting a paid holiday for it.



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Why?

How do we change this?

Honor:

Do you try to follow what they stood and died for?

Kemestry lets look into this. Name 3 main things that they died for please. Some of us maybe trapped in time.

Kemestry lets look into this. Name 3 main things that they died for please. Some of us maybe trapped in time.

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The right for black people to vote

the right for black people to live wherever they wanted

The right for black people to be treated other than a 2nd class citizen

The right for black people to be respected

The right for black people to earn a living

The right for black people to receive proper pay for that work

The right for black people to live free from opression


....shall I continue?

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The right for black people to vote

the right for black people to live wherever they wanted

The right for black people to be treated other than a 2nd class citizen

The right for black people to be respected

The right for black people to earn a living

The right for black people to receive proper pay for that work

The right for black people to live free from opression


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All of those have been attained through written law. Now where do we go?

Its allready law so how can we improve upon what is allready the law.

Its strange you did not say the right to attain our original mind.
The right to attain our true story. These will not be given to us through government laws or president. That is where we will get true freedom.

Dont disrespect their efforts by staying where they left off. If Marcus Garvey was alive he wouldnt want you to mention his name everytime you mention Black people uprising. You can refer to the past but live in the present.
Youtube.com is God sent but you must raise your conscious in order to realize who they are and recieve their messages properly. These leaders are not going to make to paper every day like MLK or Malcolm X. More Black people are being their own leaders now. You dont need to vote for a politician to help you. Vote for you to help you. Inner strength doesnt start with a politician. It starts with you.

All of those have been attained through written law. Now where do we go?

Its allready law so how can we improve upon what is allready the law.

Its strange you did not say the right to attain our original mind.
The right to attain our true story. These will not be given to us through government laws or president. That is where we will get true freedom.

Dont disrespect their efforts by staying where they left off. If Marcus Garvey was alive he wouldnt want you to mention his name everytime you mention Black people uprising. You can refer to the past but live in the present.
Youtube.com is God sent but you must raise your conscious in order to realize who they are and recieve their messages properly. These leaders are not going to make to paper every day like MLK or Malcolm X. More Black people are being their own leaders now. You dont need to vote for a politician to help you. Vote for you to help you. Inner strength doesnt start with a politician. It starts with you.






Though the laws have been written, the struggle still continues because racism hasnt ended. I submit that lynchings still occur. As well as overt discrimination. I submit Garvey would be outh there calling for us to join him in a renewed effort.

Is that what you are looking for? You are looking for racism to end?

It wont happen by marching and protesting? What you are waiting on is near impossible.
And you are waisting your time trying to stop racism. I wont say you are clueless but you sound clueless to me.
Stopping racists from having a bad effect on you is one thing and stopping racists from trying to be racists is another. Then stopping racists from trying to put a bad effect on everyone involved is another. How involved in you with all of this?

Is that what you are looking for? You are looking for racism to end?

It wont happen by marching and protesting? What you are waiting on is near impossible.
And you are waisting your time trying to stop racism. I wont say you are clueless but you sound clueless to me.
Stopping racists from having a bad effect on you is one thing and stopping racists from trying to be racists is another. Then stopping racists from trying to put a bad effect on everyone involved is another. How involved in you with all of this?



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I stated what I was looking for in my opening. Perhaps you should view it again for clarity.

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This is an argument that I continuously have with my mother.

She says that this current generation does nothing to further the struggle. I ask, Why do you say that? Everything that you fought for has been realized. I have the education that you marched and boycotted to obtain. We can go to the same places they go. The problem is y'all set the bar too low and didn't ask for what y'all really wanted. You wanted to be able to do as the white man. And you can. But now you realize that you should have asked for more and different.

It's backwards for us to aspire to be like the white man. And it's stupid to look for validation from them. Who are they to validate us? Civil rights did not free our minds. Some of us are now far more dependant on the white man than we were a generation ago. And why? Because now we are 'free' to act and do like them. We have forgotten who we are.


Peace

Peace SiS Bootzey!

you have said two mouthfuls here!

I especially appreciated the last line and could as it seems to speak to EXACTLY what has and continues to happen....

M.E
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All of those have been attained through written law. Now where do we go?

Its allready law so how can we improve upon what is allready the law.

Its strange you did not say the right to attain our original mind.
The right to attain our true story. These will not be given to us through government laws or president. That is where we will get true freedom.

Dont disrespect their efforts by staying where they left off. If Marcus Garvey was alive he wouldnt want you to mention his name everytime you mention Black people uprising. You can refer to the past but live in the present.
Youtube.com is God sent but you must raise your conscious in order to realize who they are and recieve their messages properly. These leaders are not going to make to paper every day like MLK or Malcolm X. More Black people are being their own leaders now. You dont need to vote for a politician to help you. Vote for you to help you. Inner strength doesnt start with a politician. It starts with you.

I concur! Great point. :terrific:

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The right for black people to vote


the right for black people to live wherever they wanted


The right for black people to be treated other than a 2nd class citizen


The right for black people to be respected


The right for black people to earn a living


The right for black people to receive proper pay for that work


The right for black people to live free from opression


....shall I continue?





To my knowledge I do all of this. So now what? Are we better off than we were 50 years ago? We used to have our own businesses and communities. We used to care for and educate our babies and now what? We used to know our neighbors and could go to any "Mommy/Daddy" and know they would look out for us like one of theire own. And now what?

Are we better off since we have overcame?


Peace.

Truetothecause.... Thanks!

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I question the idea that "We Overcame" anything. What basically happened was that "white folks (GWS) looked at, examined and understood "how they were better able to manipulate, condition and control" our people from the inside" than keep us on the outside as we used to be. When we were outside they "saw for themselves what we were capable of"....which is why they destroyed "Black Wallstreet, Greenwood and several other independent black cities that were employers, producers and educators of our people and were established with our people and for our people.

This was a model that GWS was not going to allow to exist for the rest of so called "Black America". As such, they "integrated us into THEIR SYSTEM" and we have been degenerating or going backwards ever since in "ALL AREAS" concerning our existence. Let us now consider what has happened with the "We Shall Overcome" reality.

1. Our community and family values began to degenerate which never happened "before integration."

2. We lost the respect of our elders and of the idea that "we are one people" with a common oppressor.

3. The role models of our communities moved away leaving our children no personal interactive reality or vision of motivation, inspiration or aspiration that they could rise above their environment...as well as the idea that because they moved away, there were no personal mentors left to be a guiding light for and to them.

4. We lost the businesses we once had, the schools we once had and the idea of "doing for self" that we once had....."after all, why would we do for self, build for self or anything else if we felt that "they were going to let us use their stuff and their services, not knowing that it was all part of the plan"?

5. As we so called "Overcame" it gave us access to their stuff and their services, but we soon found out that "all that glitters is not gold....and sadly we found out a little too late as we are now struggling and striving to re-capture and re-instill something valuable that we lost....and the question becomes, why?

6. We had those before us who were giving the answers but we didn't hear or listen to them....a process of our conditioning. We had organizations and community fighters among us that were helping the hungry, the elderly and the children, as well as attacking GWS where and when they could, but we soon and easily turned on them....and the question is, why?....a process of our conditioning. We had examples before us to tap into and to learn from, but we didn't....and the question is, why?....a process of our conditioning.

So lets see what "We shall overcome got us". Well, we can sleep with white women and men now. We can eat, ride the bus, go to their mis-educational facilities, live where they live and somehow feel that our rubbing elbows with them makes us better than the rest of our people...so proud to be the first black person on that block or in that job or in that company... and most of all we can be and act as they do....which is basically what we have been doing. In essence to keep it as real as can be, we have gone insane...literally lost our minds...not just on one level but many. I sometimes go back and look at the old school videos where we have white women up in them or where we done jeri curled our hair...of course Micheal J. took it to the extreme because he had the money to do so...but many of us have done the same.

We done got our noses done because we thought it was too big, our lips done because we saw them as too big....used bleach creme because we thought we was too black....processed, straightened and permed our hair because someone gave us a perception of "what good hair was and what bad hair was". Where did we learn this self hate from and just whose perception of beauty have we been following to the point where we'd rather look like anything and anybody but ourselves? We raised our children just fine for millions of years and now we done let the white man into our homes and let him define how we should best raise our children to the point where our own children will call DYFUS on us. Don't read this as if you don't understand what I'm saying because all of us know that every word is true....and now I ask you...Was all of this worth what we lost????

In 2009 we are so happy to have a Black President...but I already know that the majority of us know in reality that "we don't REALLY have a Black President"...we just happy to see a black face up there. I'm going to keep this real because there ain't no sense in us perpetrating and going along with the illusion all because everybody else is doing it that happens to be Black. Deep in your minds and souls all of you know that every word I have said is true so lets not play games with this. We can't possibly honor our ancestors because the only real information most of us have about them is what "white folks" via his media let us have. Dr. King, Ms. Rosa Parks, Malcom X and Garvey are all turning over in their graves right now with this bull---- we been on!!!!

WAS ALL OF THIS WORTH WHAT WE LOST?.....WAS ALL OF THIS WORTH WHAT WE LOST?????????

So for me the greatest honor that I can perhaps pay to our ancestors is to learn "where they went wrong so that I don't make that same mistake". All of them "trusted our own people too much and paid for it"...that second strength and weakness we have called "humanity has its price".

So to Mr. Garvey, Mr. King, Mr. X and Ms. Parks I say; "Ase, Ase, Ase"

:terrific: We sure are insane in the membrane!!! Study ourstory to learn the mistakes of the ancestors so we will not repeat them. :em0100:

To my knowledge I do all of this. So now what? Are we better off than we were 50 years ago? We used to have our own businesses and communities. We used to care for and educate our babies and now what? We used to know our neighbors and could go to any "Mommy/Daddy" and know they would look out for us like one of theire own. And now what?

Are we better off since we have overcame?


Peace.

Truetothecause.... Thanks!



The problem here is not the you's we's and us's in our community. The problem is the greater disconnect amongst the vast amjority of our people. A drug culture should never have take hold of any black person if they truly believed. Babies having babies never should have become our creed. OOW births at pandemic proportions, ( many by those that should know better ), should not have taken root. Dropping out of school should have NEVER been an option. Etc, etc, etc. Those are the ones I speak of.

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Although I have much respect for all the soldiers of the CRM, my first and foremost obligation of honor is to my own family ancestors.

Everything the CRM fought and marched for was exampled in my own family. They experienced much of the same racism, discrimination and overt and covert prejudices from the White power structure designed to retard their personal progress.

But, I was reared with the teaching "You come from good stock and you're well bred." So, I strive to live my life to honor those who came before me. I represent my mother and grandparents and other ancestors who struggled and sacrificed so that I would not have to endure what they did.

However, it does sadden my soul to see the once vibrant hubs of Black communities reduced/devolved to the derelict, drug and crime-infested neighborhoods they are today.

Here in Atlanta, the very landmarks which honor those soldiers sit in the midst of boarded-up buildings and empty lots, littered with trash and paraded by drug addicts and prostitutes.

In southwest Atlanta and other communities, you can LITERALLY take a walking BLACK HISTORY TOUR. All along sidewalks and street corners, there are memorial plaques commemorating the people and places of the CRM and those who came before them paving the way; but, TODAY, as you stand in the very spots where Martin and SNCC and Mays and Heman Perry and Alonzo Herndon and John Wesley Dobbs and others walked, it is a WASTELAND.

My heart is saddened to see the westside branch of Citizens Trust Bank, a LANDMARK Black financial institution, sitting in the midst of RUIN and DECAY located on the very street named in "HONOR" of Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.

Although I have much respect for all the soldiers of the CRM, my first and foremost obligation of honor is to my own family ancestors.

Everything the CRM fought and marched for was exampled in my own family. They experienced much of the same racism, discrimination and overt and covert prejudices from the White power structure designed to retard their personal progress.

But, I was reared with the teaching "You come from good stock and you're well bred." So, I strive to live my life to honor those who came before me. I represent my mother and grandparents and other ancestors who struggled and sacrificed so that I would not have to endure what they did.

However, it does sadden my soul to see the once vibrant hubs of Black communities reduced/devolved to the derelict, drug and crime-infested neighborhoods they are today.

Here in Atlanta, the very landmarks which honor those soldiers sit in the midst of boarded-up buildings and empty lots, littered with trash and paraded by drug addicts and prostitutes.

In southwest Atlanta and other communities, you can LITERALLY take a walking BLACK HISTORY TOUR. All along sidewalks and street corners, there are memorial plaques commemorating the people and places of the CRM and those who came before them paving the way; but, TODAY, as you stand in the very spots where Martin and SNCC and Mays and Heman Perry and Alonzo Herndon and John Wesley Dobbs and others walked, it is a WASTELAND.

My heart is saddened to see the westside branch of Citizens Trust Bank, a LANDMARK Black financial institution, sitting in the midst of RUIN and DECAY located on the very street named in "HONOR" of Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.




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Encourage your friends and aquaintences to follow thru

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what real solutions I can find here to help folks in my community and our community globaly,
before I can respond to that!

what real solutions I can find here to help folks in my community and our community globaly,
before I can respond to that!




Please elaborate. I'm not quite getting what you're asking

Why didn't you just start off asking the posters what they feel and think those aformentioned folks were about?

Then you could contrast what some of them choose to believe with what you know to be true...

Simply put:

Some we can reach...

Others we must teach...

FYI...

Later...

Peace...

Why didn't you just start off asking the posters what they feel and think those aformentioned folks were about?

Then you could contrast what some of them choose to believe with what you know to be true...

Simply put:

Some we can reach...

Others we must teach...

FYI...

Later...

Peace...


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Do you really think black people dont have a clue as to what they stood for? I think many didnt respond in here because they all talk!

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What you didn't live thru?

You need and should want to just ask those who did!

My generation had to as well...

Nothing new or news about that either...

FYI...

Please elaborate. I'm not quite getting what you're asking



Where do you see a question in my post?
I thought the heading of the thread was a question , requesting an answer!!!!

Where do you see a question in my post?
I thought the heading of the thread was a question , requesting an answer!!!!



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Ok, maybe I'm not understanding your answers then :lol:

What you didn't live thru?

You need and should want to just ask those who did!

My generation had to as well...

Nothing new or news about that either...

FYI...



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On what basis do you ASSume I didnt live thru or dont no what I'm talking about?

Why do you think I posed the question?

Unless and until you just face up to the fact that none of us are above scrutiny as well as criticism etc.:

As long as you just resort to self serving rhetoric and/or self justifying posturing, i. e., just to make a point and/or just win arguments?

Also that will make you the issue-- and/or a part of the problem-- by the way of default!

You just can't or won't allow yourself to truly realiize and recognize that some (if not all) of us here--there--everywhere--don't just operate on the basis of what we choose to believe:

As via the obvious contrast, between your and other folks approaches, ietc., some of us do operate on the basis of what we have found out to be true...

Emotional appeals only work in the short run...

Thought out and thru agendas etc. are things others resort to, i. e., who intend to stick it out via the long run...

FYI...

Good luck!

Later...

Peace...

Do we honor them?

No, mostly we do not.

Unless and until you just face up to the fact that none of us are above scrutiny as well as criticism etc.:

As long as you just resort to self serving rhetoric and/or self justifying posturing, i. e., just to make a point and/or just win arguments?

Also that will make you the issue-- and/or a part of the problem-- by the way of default!

You just can't or won't allow yourself to truly realiize and recognize that some (if not all) of us here--there--everywhere--don't just operate on the basis of what we choose to believe:

As via the obvious contrast, between your and other folks approaches, ietc., some of us do operate on the basis of what we have found out to be true...

Emotional appeals only work in the short run...

Thought out and thru agendas etc. are things others resort to, i. e., who intend to stick it out via the long run...

FYI...

Good luck!

Later...

Peace...




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Yes...

I am both inspired and continue to be impressed by what some of my and our forebears did during their lifetimes...

But why else would I have asked you to elaborate a wee bit further about that if I wasn't too?

And also do consider what you're revealing about yourself!

FYI...

Yes...

I am both inspired and continue to be impressed by what some of my and our forebears did during their lifetimes...

But why else would I have asked you to elaborate a wee bit further about that if I wasn't too?

And also do consider what you're revealing about yourself!

FYI...




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:fyi:
I'm not the only one in here that has revealed something about themselves.


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As we look around today, we see a group of socalled black men and women doing things our past leaders did not die for.
Really?, If so like what exactly?
Can you do drugs and claim to be a black man or woman?

Sure, of course you can...drug use does not dictate ones Blackness, Look at some of the famous Bob Marley, and others in the Rasta farian culture.. not all are users, & I believe most are not, but would you say those that are users are any less Black than you..Well I guess Marley would be considered less Black since was is Mixed... however his lifes actions proved him to be a huge part of the cause...

Can you not become educated or not push your children to do so and claim to be a black man or woman?
Not sure.. but you can be compassionate enough to push your children to become educated..and not just from the standard curriculum..education of who, how , and why they are will not be something they can grasp, or even get in a standard classroom. They need to be educated on how to treat one another,& where supremacy, ego, and arrogance are their enemy.. educating them is far beyond the cap and gown


Can you let your pants sag or wear hoochey clothes and claim to be a black man or woman?
Yes, they are only clothing..some may say that type of dress reflects how we think...but like my dad would say that my Grand dad told him "son, its not whats on your head, its whats in it"...fashion should not be a deciding factor on whether I or you are Black..

Can you not vote and claim to be a black man or woman?
again the answer is going to be yes

Can you sell drugs and claim to be a black man or woman?
yes...many Brothers and sisters are given harsher sentences simply because of the fact that they ARE Black men and Women..I know what you are saying and my answer is still yes..

We all know many in our family, friends and aquaintences that are doing one or more of the above. Many that read this are doing them as well. How can we then claim to honor the teachings of of them that died for us and not come close to following? If we are doing these things shouldnt it then be ok to call us anything but black?

what then should we be called? why should we always feel that we have to except one and not the other?

just as why do we claim martin, yet reject Malcom, claim du bois, reject booker t?..we are a dynamic people..

we should hold onto All of the teachings of our elders, meaning they all did for us what they could with what they had at the time...

lets not put up anymore barriers on ourselves,

instead lets build bridges...
If a brother smokes a lil reefa,
it aint my thing but I can deal with him as a Black man,
If a sister dyes and fryes her natural Black head of hair,
I can deal with that..
If a Brother happens to be gay..
I can deal with that too..
we all have choices to make, and if you are down for the uplifting of our people, then......

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everything is everything...

Why the other brother started out making trying to make a point and then ended up just making a lot of noise?

Your answer to that question would be of some interest to me too...

Otherwise I've decided to just leave him be!

FYI...

LOL

Why the other brother started out making trying to make a point and then ended up just making a lot of noise?

Your answer to that question would be of some interest to me too...

Otherwise I've decided to just leave him be!

FYI...

LOL

You have to leave him be. That's Kemestry. It is just the way he is.

There are much more fruitful discussions to have. Don't be discouraged my brotha.

You have to leave him be. That's Kemestry. It is just the way he is.

There are much more fruitful discussions to have. Don't be discouraged my brotha.

Chuck:

Good advice...

But00 do be consistent-- because your comments-- elsewhere-- reflect a much different perception--as in--as regards who I am and/or what I'm about-- too!

I don't know of (let alone much about) you:

Hence just as I'm trying to be patient etc. before I decide (on way or another) who you are or are about?

I ask you to do likewise...

FYI...

Take care...

Later...

Peace...

Chuck:

Good advice...

But do be consistent because your comments elsewhere reflect a much different perception of what I'm about too!

I don't know of (let alone much about) you...

Just as I'm trying to be patient etc. before I decide (on way or another) who you are or are about?

I ask you to do likewise...

FYI...

Take care...

Later...

Peace...

You know me from Delphiforums. The African-American Culture forum. I don't know why you didn't recognize me.

I told you to come here.

As we look around today, we see a group of socalled black men and women doing things our past leaders did not die for.
Really?, If so like what exactly?
Can you do drugs and claim to be a black man or woman?

Sure, of course you can...drug use does not dictate ones Blackness, Look at some of the famous Bob Marley, and others in the Rasta farian culture.. not all are users, & I believe most are not, but would you say those that are users are any less Black than you..Well I guess Marley would be considered less Black since was is Mixed... however his lifes actions proved him to be a huge part of the cause...

Can you not become educated or not push your children to do so and claim to be a black man or woman?
Not sure.. but you can be compassionate enough to push your children to become educated..and not just from the standard curriculum..education of who, how , and why they are will not be something they can grasp, or even get in a standard classroom. They need to be educated on how to treat one another,& where supremacy, ego, and arrogance are their enemy.. educating them is far beyond the cap and gown


Can you let your pants sag or wear hoochey clothes and claim to be a black man or woman?
Yes, they are only clothing..some may say that type of dress reflects how we think...but like my dad would say that my Grand dad told him "son, its not whats on your head, its whats in it"...fashion should not be a deciding factor on whether I or you are Black..

Can you not vote and claim to be a black man or woman?
again the answer is going to be yes

Can you sell drugs and claim to be a black man or woman?
yes...many Brothers and sisters are given harsher sentences simply because of the fact that they ARE Black men and Women..I know what you are saying and my answer is still yes..

We all know many in our family, friends and aquaintences that are doing one or more of the above. Many that read this are doing them as well. How can we then claim to honor the teachings of of them that died for us and not come close to following? If we are doing these things shouldnt it then be ok to call us anything but black?

what then should we be called? why should we always feel that we have to except one and not the other?

just as why do we claim martin, yet reject Malcom, claim du bois, reject booker t?..we are a dynamic people..

we should hold onto All of the teachings of our elders, meaning they all did for us what they could with what they had at the time...

lets not put up anymore barriers on ourselves,

instead lets build bridges...
If a brother smokes a lil reefa,
it aint my thing but I can deal with him as a Black man,
If a sister dyes and fryes her natural Black head of hair,
I can deal with that..
If a Brother happens to be gay..
I can deal with that too..
we all have choices to make, and if you are down for the uplifting of our people, then......


:10500:


Please, show me where Malcolm, King, etc condone the things you think are ok? Moreover, did they not experessly preach against them? Didnt they say people that say that a drug dealer was doing the masters bidding and furthermore should be put to death? Do you actually think Parks and King died to assure we got the vote and would think it's ok that so many proudly brag about not voting at all? Those that follow the fad that came directly out of the prison system are following King's creed of being the best you can be?!!?

No, they arent black, by definition. I submit they are the essence of that slave term we tried to bury not long ago.

You obviously havent truly followed or know their teaching or preachings

You have to leave him be. That's Kemestry. It is just the way he is.

There are much more fruitful discussions to have. Don't be discouraged my brotha.




This IS the fruitful conversation

Chuck is all talk

Please, show me where Malcolm, King, etc condone the things you think are ok? Moreover, did they not experessly preach against them? Didnt they say people that say that a drug dealer was doing the masters bidding and furthermore should be put to death? Do you actually think Parks and King died to assure we got the vote and would think it's ok that so many proudly brag about not voting at all? Those that follow the fad that came directly out of the prison system are following King's creed of being the best you can be?!!?

No, they arent black, by definition. I submit they are the essence of that slave term we tried to bury not long ago.

You obviously havent truly followed or know their teaching or preachings




















You are right, I have not studied heavily on the teachings, nor did I say that they condoned drug use, and the such...

But I am willing to learn,..as you will soon see...

could you please give me references as to where DR king, or Malcom, said Drug dealers, or anyone, be put to death, as you stated?
was this speeches?
letters?
interviews?...

thanks for the info..
I cant wait....

You are right, I have not studied heavily on the teachings, nor did I say that they condoned drug use, and the such...

But I am willing to learn,..as you will soon see...

could you please give me references as to where DR king, or Malcom, said Drug dealers, or anyone, be put to death, as you stated?
was this speeches?
letters?
interviews?...

thanks for the info..
I cant wait....



All the people named initially, preached strongly against all forms of substance abuse. Your statements at best make you an enabler.

The speeches and the teachings of Malcolm X and King can both be viewed on Youtube

Start there

Sit in a quiet place and in a meditative state visualize Rosa Parks, Fannie lou Hammer, Sojourner Truth, Dr. King , Malcolm X , in your mind, visualize thier face and the emotions they would feel , looking at us as a people today, then visualize what they would say about us and what we should do and then;

each and every morning when you rise, pledge to do all you can and in every way you can to work,
teach, act,
communicate,
create,
teach,
mentor,
and inspire in such a way as to do them honor!!!!

UNLESS WE AS INDIVIDUALS DO IT OURSELVES,
the rest is rhetoric and political self gratification

Sit in a quiet place and in a meditative state visualize Rosa Parks, Fannie lou Hammer, Sojourner Truth, Dr. King , Malcolm X , in your mind, visualize thier face and the emotions they would feel , looking at us as a people today, then visualize what they would say about us and what we should do and then;

each and every morning when you rise, pledge to do all you can and in every way you can to work,
teach, act,
communicate,
create,
teach,
mentor,
and inspire in such a way as to do them honor!!!!

UNLESS WE AS INDIVIDUALS DO IT OURSELVES,
the rest is rhetoric and political self gratification


:geek:


I have in no way called for everyone to dedicate their every waking moment and dreams to following the examples of our ancestors. But after seeing discussions in the forums and watching them in chat, something became very obvious. Many in here do little if anything. Moreover, some of the very keepers of blackness, dont have a clue as to what blackness is or what they stood for. In short, they are all talk. It doesnt take a rocket scientist to know that none of them would condone our cavalier attitude towards substance abuse and the embracement of prison culture. Let alone the rejection of education by many. Snoop, Puffy, Shug, Ice T or Cube are NOT black. Yet they are idolized as modern day blackness. A generation is more prone to follow them than our righteous ancestors, who were obviously black. These neo leaders have also allowed us to forget where we came from. Catching a case is now a rite of passage. That is not one of the tenets of our people historically. I can go on and on. It was Malcolm and others that said drugs are death, therefore the only good drug dealer is a dead one.

This will only be solved by all of us reaching back and lifting one up

All the people named initially, preached strongly against all forms of substance abuse. Your statements at best make you an enabler.

















how so?

because of the fact that I do not brow beat anyone into just one definition of "Blackness",
as you seem to do?

why so quick to color me bad?

are you a Black elitist?...

you sort of remind me of some of the elder church goers, mainly Women who, when I attended, as a child, would turn up their noses at my family for not dressing as they dressed, & watched, sucking their teeth, rolling their ugly hateful eyes, as my loving mother, was only able to drop in a few coins, as the collection plate was passed around( she gave what she could)...they dressed, oh boy, could they dress...done up from head to toe

but by their actions, I now see that it was only a front, to cover up the ugliness they held inside of them...

so please pardon my description...

but what I think where you falter is by judging with your new aged Black stick,...I am positive that those that filled the ballrooms where our Brothers and Sisters preached, came from all walks of life, and backgrounds...
worked alongside in grass root organizations, led and even maintained them


such as lawyers, tradesmen, teachers etc...baggy clothed, skimpy outfitted
drug users, alchoholic, dealers, drop outs
you name it...

were they not black enough, or were they just that other slave name that we buried?


so what scares me..

is your... I hate to say it, but "Blacker than thou attitude" towards those who are square pegs that do not seem to fit into the circle hole of Blackness that you have made...

:geek:


I have in no way called for everyone to dedicate their every waking moment and dreams to following the examples of our ancestors. But after seeing discussions in the forums and watching them in chat, something became very obvious. Many in here do little if anything. Moreover, some of the very keepers of blackness, dont have a clue as to what blackness is or what they stood for. In short, they are all talk. It doesnt take a rocket scientist to know that none of them would condone our cavalier attitude towards substance abuse and the embracement of prison culture. Let alone the rejection of education by many. Snoop, Puffy, Shug, Ice T or Cube are NOT black. Yet they are idolized as modern day blackness. A generation is more prone to follow them than our righteous ancestors, who were obviously black. These neo leaders have also allowed us to forget where we came from. Catching a case is now a rite of passage. That is not one of the tenets of our people historically. I can go on and on. It was Malcolm and others that said drugs are death, therefore the only good drug dealer is a dead one.

This will only be solved by all of us reaching back and lifting one up




















Malcom, Martin, Rosa, and others also sat in jail, among criminals...do you not remember that?

Why do you hate us, so?...

On thing to put out a call to action:

Another issue or problem if your rhetoric etc. doesn't help and does hurt our cause(s)...

As for me?

First I try to reach...

Second I try to teach...

I also listen and learn too!

Nobody knows and understands 'everything'...

A lot of people do know and understand 'something'...

You're not the only person who posts on these forum who has a clue too:

Our people have enough alleged or real enemies as it is!

So do try to conduct yourself in a less argumentative and/or confrontational manner--as well as among folks I too have begun to consider new allies etc.

And another one from the other Detroit (area) bro who posts on this forums...

FYI...

Lastly:

To one and all?

Good luck!

Later...

Peace...

:SuN020:

how so?

because of the fact that I do not brow beat anyone into just one definition of "Blackness",
as you seem to do?

why so quick to color me bad?

are you a Black elitist?...

you sort of remind me of some of the elder church goers, mainly Women who, when I attended, as a child, would turn up their noses at my family for not dressing as they dressed, & watched, sucking their teeth, rolling their ugly hateful eyes, as my loving mother, was only able to drop in a few coins, as the collection plate was passed around( she gave what she could)...they dressed, oh boy, could they dress...done up from head to toe

but by their actions, I now see that it was only a front, to cover up the ugliness they held inside of them...

so please pardon my description...

but what I think where you falter is by judging with your new aged Black stick,...I am positive that those that filled the ballrooms where our Brothers and Sisters preached, came from all walks of life, and backgrounds...
worked alongside in grass root organizations, led and even maintained them


such as lawyers, tradesmen, teachers etc...baggy clothed, skimpy outfitted
drug users, alchoholic, dealers, drop outs
you name it...

were they not black enough, or were they just that other slave name that we buried?


so what scares me..

is your... I hate to say it, but "Blacker than thou attitude" towards those who are square pegs that do not seem to fit into the circle hole of Blackness that you have made...




If you dont see anything wrong with the drug culture in our community, by definition, you are colored bad. Moreover, for you to even say that there could be varying degrees or definitions of blackness different from what the founders defined is quite telling. Your analogy is a comparision of apples and elephants. This has nothing to do with elitism. You nor I dont get to make things up to suit our own parochial beliefs. You are more new aged than I. Again, it's obvious you havent done you homework here. Perhaps you should review some of their collective works 1st.

On thing to put out a call to action:

Another issue or problem if your rhetoric etc. doesn't help and does hurt our cause(s)...

As for me?

First I try to reach...

Second I try to teach...

I also listen and learn too!

Nobody knows and understands 'everything'...

A lot of people do know and understand 'something'...

You're not the only person who posts on these forum who has a clue too:

Our people have enough alleged or real enemies as it is!

So do try to conduct yourself in a less argumentative and/or confrontational manner--as well as among folks I too have begun to consider new allies etc.

And another one from the other Detroit (area) bro who posts on this forums...

FYI...

Lastly:

To one and all?

Good luck!

Later...

Peace...

:SuN020:

I will take what you say to heart, and mind & will no longer try to be argumentative, Brother chuck..

thank you, elder for correcting me....

Malcom, Martin, Rosa, and others also sat in jail, among criminals...do you not remember that?

Why do you hate us, so?...



Whoa!!!!!

They went to jail for a cause. US! Getting caught riding dirty. Deciding to put your woman out on the street nekkid because you or she has a tude again is a comparision of apples and elephants. Let's not go to Dumbville here

On thing to put out a call to action:

Another issue or problem if your rhetoric etc. doesn't help and does hurt our cause(s)...

As for me?

First I try to reach...

Second I try to teach...

I also listen and learn too!

Nobody knows and understands 'everything'...

A lot of people do know and understand 'something'...

You're not the only person who posts on these forum who has a clue too:

Our people have enough alleged or real enemies as it is!

So do try to conduct yourself in a less argumentative and/or confrontational manner--as well as among folks I too have begun to consider new allies etc.

And another one from the other Detroit (area) bro who posts on this forums...

FYI...

Lastly:

To one and all?

Good luck!

Later...

Peace...

:SuN020:








We agree nobody knows or understands everything. But 2+2=4 is quite understandable. This why I went to the founders. This isnt about me.

If you dont see anything wrong with the drug culture in our community, by definition, you are colored bad. Moreover, for you to even say that there could be varying degrees or definitions of blackness different from what the founders defined is quite telling. Your analogy is a comparision of apples and elephants. This has nothing to do with elitism. You nor I dont get to make things up to suit our own parochial beliefs. You are more new aged than I. Again, it's obvious you havent done you homework here. Perhaps you should review some of their collective works 1st.



















yeah, you are right Brother...I have much to learn still...

thank you for your insight...

In all due respect I agree with you but taking the time to look at posts going back over a year and a half, I have seen no post regarding drugs in our community, use or slinging.
Now let's be clear as I mentioned in another post are we man enough to organize againt the gangs and get that stuff out of our community?

Also no one has a monopoly or copyright on the avatars you mentioned,
if someone mentions Pythagoras on apost about the proper way to bath, I feel i have the right to talk about his philosphy and ethics

Now the only way to honor them is to TAKE the action they call for.
No one is saying someone has to be a cultish fanatic about it!!!!!!!!
And there is always 3 to 4 hours in a work week where one can ACTUALY DO SOMETHING to uplift the community,
and let's get real if 70% of us did that our kids would not be out there slinging nor folks medicating themselves for stress and depression, at the rate they are now.

:geek:


I have in no way called for everyone to dedicate their every waking moment and dreams to following the examples of our ancestors. But after seeing discussions in the forums and watching them in chat, something became very obvious. Many in here do little if anything. Moreover, some of the very keepers of blackness, dont have a clue as to what blackness is or what they stood for. In short, they are all talk. It doesnt take a rocket scientist to know that none of them would condone our cavalier attitude towards substance abuse and the embracement of prison culture. Let alone the rejection of education by many. Snoop, Puffy, Shug, Ice T or Cube are NOT black. Yet they are idolized as modern day blackness. A generation is more prone to follow them than our righteous ancestors, who were obviously black. These neo leaders have also allowed us to forget where we came from. Catching a case is now a rite of passage. That is not one of the tenets of our people historically. I can go on and on. It was Malcolm and others that said drugs are death, therefore the only good drug dealer is a dead one.

This will only be solved by all of us reaching back and lifting one up




















AMEN...


WARRIOR

In all due respect I agree with you but taking the time to look at posts going back over a year and a half, I have seen no post regarding drugs in our community, use or slinging.
Now let's be clear as I mentioned in another post are we man enough to organize againt the gangs and get that stuff out of our community?

Also no one has a monopoly or copyright on the avatars you mentioned,
if someone mentions Pythagoras on apost about the proper way to bath, I feel i have the right to talk about his philosphy and ethics

Now the only way to honor them is to TAKE the action they call for.
No one is saying someone has to be a cultish fanatic about it!!!!!!!!
And there is always 3 to 4 hours in a work week where one can ACTUALY DO SOMETHING to uplift the community,
and let's get real if 70% of us did that our kids would not be out there slinging nor folks medicating themselves for stress and depression, at the rate they are now.



:geek:



:lol: :lol: :lol:

You dont have to go back two years of posts. Look at some of the responses in this one. Look at those that are comparing King's and Park's arrests to a gang banger. I can only ASSume they really meant what they typed. That is as bout as real as it gets in my book

:em0200:

SOME TALK.....AND SOME DO SOMETHING.....

SOME ACTUALLY DO PLENTY WITHOUT SAYING A WORD....

SOME TALK WHILE SETTING THE EXAMPLE OF DOING...

BOTTOM LINE...WHATCHA GONNA DO ?



WARRIOR

SOME TALK.....AND SOME DO SOMETHING.....

SOME ACTUALLY DO PLENTY WITHOUT SAYING A WORD....

SOME TALK WHILE SETTING THE EXAMPLE OF DOING...

BOTTOM LINE...WHATCHA GONNA DO ?



WARRIOR




Amen!

My sentiments exactly

:geek:



:lol: :lol: :lol:

You dont have to go back two years of posts. Look at some of the responses in this one. Look at those that are comparing King's and Park's arrests to a gang banger. I can only ASSume they really meant what they typed. That is as bout as real as it gets in my book

:em0200:






















not so, but what was mentioned was to show that those who you would question of being Black enough...

also accompanied our past leaders on picket lines, marched step with step, and too were thrown in the back of paddy wagons...

I bet martin, nor Rosa, nor malcom, leaned over and call any of them the N- word like you would....

again the problem seemed to be you are too overly concerned with others vices, and choices..and not so much their actions

so without being so quick to condemn, maybe get to know those you have such ill feelings for??..

you too just may learn something about them,

dig deep enough, and dirt can be found anywhere..even on our leaders, but I wont go there..

I chose like martin, to judge not by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character...

Brothers and Sisters in just about every fashion, class, etc participate and lead grass root programs, register many, many other Blacks to vote, speak out against police brutality, act as mentors, leaders, advocates, and freedom fighters...

have you done the same?

if so? thats great..but

We dont need, nor look for validation from people like yourself...

furthermore.....

....you will catch more Bees with Honey, than Vinegar....

not so, but what was mentioned was to show that those who you would question of being Black enough...

also accompanied our past leaders on picket lines, marched step with step, and too were thrown in the back of paddy wagons...

I bet martin, nor Rosa, nor malcom, leaned over and call any of them the N- word like you would....

again the problem seemed to be you are too overly concerned with others vices, and choices..and not so much their actions

so without being so quick to condemn, maybe get to know those you have such ill feelings for??..

you too just may learn something about them,

dig deep enough, and dirt can be found anywhere..even on our leaders, but I wont go there..

I chose like martin, to judge not by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character...

Brothers and Sisters in just about every fashion, class, etc participate and lead grass root programs, register many, many other Blacks to vote, speak out against police brutality, act as mentors, leaders, advocates, and freedom fighters...

have you done the same?

if so? thats great..but

We dont need, nor look for validation from people like yourself...





:geek:


We will agree to disagree on whether or even where they did in fact march. You dont condone subtance abuse in any form, say them going to jail for the cause and a gang banger going to jail is the same. That's BS!

Moreover, let me repeat, this isnt about me. Had they or you bothered to actually look at what Fredrick Douglass, Malcolm, Marcus Garvey, King and others died for, those words would never have come out of their mouths. At her funeral, it was said repeatedly, "If you dont vote, you have nothing in common with Rosa Parks."

That little act is a start. If you arent doing what they asked you to do, I'm sorry, you aint black!

WELL....I AGREE THAT THERE IS SOMETHING TO BE LEARNED EVEN FROM THE FOULEST OF PEOPLE....POSSIBLY THERES SOMETHING TO EVEN CARRY....

AND I AGREE THAT WE DONT NEED VALIDATION FROM ANYONE IN ORDER TO ACHIEVE OR SUSTAIN....

BUT WHAT WE DO NEED IS EACH OTHER'S SUPPORT.......WITHOUT JUDGEMENT OR PREJUDICE....BECAUSE OUR DIFFERENCES ARE NOT GOING TO BE CHANGED OR SWITCHED......REGARDLESS WHO FOLLOWS.....REGARDLESS WHO LEADS.....

ITS THE COMMON VICE(S) WE ALL SHARE....OR THE COMMON PROBLEM(S) WE ALL HAVE......THAT WILL ALLOW US TO LOOK UPON EACH OTHER AND SEE WHO AT THE LEAST IS SEEKING A SOLUTION....AND BE MAN/WOMAN ENOUGH TO STEP UP TO LISTEN , LEARN , TEACH , & SHARE.....

SELFISHNESS EITHER SURFACES OR DEPARTS ONCE A CHOICE IS MADE FROM THIS....

SOME OF US LIVE BY THE BETTER WORD OR THE LAST WORD........I PREFER TO DO SOMETHING AND LET OTHERS DEFINE IT.........NOT ONLY IS RESPECT GAINED REPEATEDLY , BUT IN MY OPINION , THATS HOW WE LIVE ON THROUGH HISTORY....

AS FOR CATCHING BEES WITH HONEY.....INSTANTLY I THINK OF THE MOVIE MALCOLM X......

ELIJAH MUHAMMAD SHOWS MALCOLM A GLASS OF WATER , AND HE ADDS COLORING TO IT...THEN ELIJAH TELLS HIM THE PEOPLE WILL DRINK THIS IF YOU OFFER IT TO THEM........IF THEIR THIRSTY....

MY POINT IS....I SERIOUSLY DOUBT THIS THREAD PRODUCED ANY VINEGAR.....SOMEONE FOULED UP THE HONEY WITH VINEGAR.....I CALL IT ATTENTION DISORDER...





WARRIOR

:11900:



As we look around today, we see a group of socalled black men and women doing things our past leaders did not die for.

Can you do drugs and claim to be a black man or woman?

Can you not become educated or not push your children to do so and claim to be a black man or woman?

Can you let your pants sag or wear hoochey clothes and claim to be a black man or woman?

Can you not vote and claim to be a black man or woman?

Can you sell drugs and claim to be a black man or woman?

We all know many in our family, friends and aquaintences that are doing one or more of the above. Many that read this are doing them as well. How can we then claim to honor the teachings of of them that died for us and not come close to following? If we are doing these things shouldnt it then be ok to call us anything but black?

:?:

:qqb010:


















No to all the questions except the voting one.

No to all the questions except the voting one.



Thanx for the input

WELL....I AGREE THAT THERE IS SOMETHING TO BE LEARNED EVEN FROM THE FOULEST OF PEOPLE....POSSIBLY THERES SOMETHING TO EVEN CARRY....

AND I AGREE THAT WE DONT NEED VALIDATION FROM ANYONE IN ORDER TO ACHIEVE OR SUSTAIN....

BUT WHAT WE DO NEED IS EACH OTHER'S SUPPORT.......WITHOUT JUDGEMENT OR PREJUDICE....BECAUSE OUR DIFFERENCES ARE NOT GOING TO BE CHANGED OR SWITCHED......REGARDLESS WHO FOLLOWS.....REGARDLESS WHO LEADS.....

ITS THE COMMON VICE(S) WE ALL SHARE....OR THE COMMON PROBLEM(S) WE ALL HAVE......THAT WILL ALLOW US TO LOOK UPON EACH OTHER AND SEE WHO AT THE LEAST IS SEEKING A SOLUTION....AND BE MAN/WOMAN ENOUGH TO STEP UP TO LISTEN , LEARN , TEACH , & SHARE.....

SELFISHNESS EITHER SURFACES OR DEPARTS ONCE A CHOICE IS MADE FROM THIS....

SOME OF US LIVE BY THE BETTER WORD OR THE LAST WORD........I PREFER TO DO SOMETHING AND LET OTHERS DEFINE IT.........NOT ONLY IS RESPECT GAINED REPEATEDLY , BUT IN MY OPINION , THATS HOW WE LIVE ON THROUGH HISTORY....

AS FOR CATCHING BEES WITH HONEY.....INSTANTLY I THINK OF THE MOVIE MALCOLM X......

ELIJAH MUHAMMAD SHOWS MALCOLM A GLASS OF WATER , AND HE ADDS COLORING TO IT...THEN ELIJAH TELLS HIM THE PEOPLE WILL DRINK THIS IF YOU OFFER IT TO THEM........IF THEIR THIRSTY....

MY POINT IS....I SERIOUSLY DOUBT THIS THREAD PRODUCED ANY VINEGAR.....SOMEONE FOULED UP THE HONEY WITH VINEGAR.....I CALL IT ATTENTION DISORDER...





WARRIOR


:geek:


Many are using mischaracterizations to fit their own views and interests. I dont like to speak in absolutes, but in this case, I dont think I'll be compromising


:em0200:

:toast:

:11900:



As we look around today, we see a group of socalled black men and women doing things our past leaders did not die for.

Can you do drugs and claim to be a black man or woman?

Can you not become educated or not push your children to do so and claim to be a black man or woman?

Can you let your pants sag or wear hoochey clothes and claim to be a black man or woman?

Can you not vote and claim to be a black man or woman?

Can you sell drugs and claim to be a black man or woman?

We all know many in our family, friends and aquaintences that are doing one or more of the above. Many that read this are doing them as well. How can we then claim to honor the teachings of of them that died for us and not come close to following? If we are doing these things shouldnt it then be ok to call us anything but black?

:?:

:qqb010:
















I wonder though that the fact that we are still here after all that has been done to us to wipe us from the face of the planet, validate them?
I mean, we are broken, scattered & in disarray, but we have managed to survive the constant attack on us as a people. We have risen & fallen, time and time again, yet we continue to slowly move forward.
That alone to me is a monument to every black man & woman that lived and died before us.

I wonder though that the fact that we are still here after all that has been done to us to wipe us from the face of the planet, validate them?
I mean, we are broken, scattered & in disarray, but we have managed to survive the constant attack on us as a people. We have risen & fallen, time and time again, yet we continue to slowly move forward.
That alone to me is a monument to every black man & woman that lived and died before us.



:geek:

There is most definately something to be said for still being standing after all we've been thru. But, I submit we can do more individually and collectively. We HAVE been tested by fire. I dont want one Barack. I want several. I want all the experts to be us.

I submit, we are the superior race, if only because they couldnt wipe us out. Therefore, we dont need to get caught up in drugs and other detrimental things.

:em0200:

:geek:


Many are using mischaracterizations to fit their own views and interests. I dont like to speak in absolutes, but in this case, I dont think I'll be compromising
:em0200:

:toast:





















I FEEL YOU THERE.....

PEACE & RESPECT BRO. KEMETSTRY...


WARRIOR

:geek:


Have we fallen so far that common sense and decency are viewed as cadidancy for sainthood? Is that why some view what the founders saw as blackness anti? Is the generation that views history as only starting with them and all else irrelevent? Have today's parents failed to instill in thier children why the battles were fought and must continue to be fought?

Today, people think if they vote every once in a while, they have done their part for the cause. This fails to take into account those that died for this right. Is it that too many are now engaged in the drug trade as their only source of income or their only source of comfort from today's economy or ills? When did the founders mantra of education at all costs get twisted to selling out or being white? Why do so many think it cool to drop out?

Why do we fail at the simple things when our parents had to fight bigger battles and failed at none of these?

:fyi:

















:em0200:

I wonder though that the fact that we are still here after all that has been done to us to wipe us from the face of the planet, validate them?
I mean, we are broken, scattered & in disarray, but we have managed to survive the constant attack on us as a people. We have risen & fallen, time and time again, yet we continue to slowly move forward.
That alone to me is a monument to every black man & woman that lived and died before us.

Chuck:

Yes....

It has indeed been a long struggle from being relegated to not even being considered human beings-- back to at least being acknowledged to be just that--now to everybody emulating/immitating us--good or bad--warts and all--etc.--!

But...

While most can't or won't admit some of our folk are easily and simply the equals of whites and everybody else's best and brightest too?

We can and should!

On the other hand...

We do need and should want to just admit the obvious about our dealings with each other:

At least to me:

Part of our issues and problems are internal not external ones, i. e.,
because we delight in considering our petty and serious rivalries etc. with each other kinda sorta part of our self indulgent lifestyles, etc., etc., etc.

Obvious present company excluded:

Though we are probably among the exceptions...

It's the norm which was and is the issue and problem to me...

Otherwise on point/on time comments...

FYI...

:em0200:

WELL....I AGREE THAT THERE IS SOMETHING TO BE LEARNED EVEN FROM THE FOULEST OF PEOPLE....POSSIBLY THERES SOMETHING TO EVEN CARRY....

AND I AGREE THAT WE DONT NEED VALIDATION FROM ANYONE IN ORDER TO ACHIEVE OR SUSTAIN....

BUT WHAT WE DO NEED IS EACH OTHER'S SUPPORT.......WITHOUT JUDGEMENT OR PREJUDICE....BECAUSE OUR DIFFERENCES ARE NOT GOING TO BE CHANGED OR SWITCHED......REGARDLESS WHO FOLLOWS.....REGARDLESS WHO LEADS.....

ITS THE COMMON VICE(S) WE ALL SHARE....OR THE COMMON PROBLEM(S) WE ALL HAVE......THAT WILL ALLOW US TO LOOK UPON EACH OTHER AND SEE WHO AT THE LEAST IS SEEKING A SOLUTION....AND BE MAN/WOMAN ENOUGH TO STEP UP TO LISTEN , LEARN , TEACH , & SHARE.....

SELFISHNESS EITHER SURFACES OR DEPARTS ONCE A CHOICE IS MADE FROM THIS....

SOME OF US LIVE BY THE BETTER WORD OR THE LAST WORD........I PREFER TO DO SOMETHING AND LET OTHERS DEFINE IT.........NOT ONLY IS RESPECT GAINED REPEATEDLY , BUT IN MY OPINION , THATS HOW WE LIVE ON THROUGH HISTORY....

AS FOR CATCHING BEES WITH HONEY.....INSTANTLY I THINK OF THE MOVIE MALCOLM X......

ELIJAH MUHAMMAD SHOWS MALCOLM A GLASS OF WATER , AND HE ADDS COLORING TO IT...THEN ELIJAH TELLS HIM THE PEOPLE WILL DRINK THIS IF YOU OFFER IT TO THEM........IF THEIR THIRSTY....

MY POINT IS....I SERIOUSLY DOUBT THIS THREAD PRODUCED ANY VINEGAR.....SOMEONE FOULED UP THE HONEY WITH VINEGAR.....I CALL IT ATTENTION DISORDER...

WARRIOR

Chuck:

I feel yah and hear yah!

:toast:

:geek:


Have we fallen so far that common sense and decency are viewed as cadidancy for sainthood? Is that why some view what the founders saw as blackness anti? Is the generation that views history as only starting with them and all else irrelevent? Have today's parents failed to instill in thier children why the battles were fought and must continue to be fought?

Today, people think if they vote every once in a while, they have done their part for the cause. This fails to take into account those that died for this right. Is it that too many are now engaged in the drug trade as their only source of income or their only source of comfort from today's economy or ills? When did the founders mantra of education at all costs get twisted to selling out or being white? Why do so many think it cool to drop out?

Why do we fail at the simple things when our parents had to fight bigger battles and failed at none of these?

:fyi:

:em0200:



Chuck:

One thing to urge others to redefine themselves...

Another thing was and is related to how some of them just resort to social and political 'correctness' , i. e., to respond to issues and problems as though they too don't need or they don't won't to get involved, as in--actually doing something to help resolve our and our peoples internal issues/problems/etc.

The short version:

Some of our folk are the worst sort of immitators...

And what we need are present day originators...

Big time!

:teach:

Chuck:

One thing to urge others to redefine themselves...

Another thing was and is related to how some of them just resort to social and political 'correctness' , i. e., to respond to issues and problems as though they too don't need or they don't won't to get involved, as in--actually doing something to help resolve our and our peoples internal issues/problems/etc.

The short version:

Some of our folk are the worst sort of immitators...

And what we need are present day originators...

Big time!

:teach:


:geek:

Why is it necessary to reinvent the wheel when the template has already been laid out?

As a group we dont vote and education has become something not to strive for by many. That alone is a start

:em0200:

LOL

:10200:

what should also be noted, which goes alongside and even beyond voting, is Dr kings and others who organized, brilliant tactical approach, regarding boycotting too.

beyond any ballot, it was Boycotts, primarily the montgomery boycott, that illustrated what a powerful force we are to be reckoned with..

its no wonder why so many have labeled us, as the sleeping Giant..

Dr King, and other organizations, one being the NAACP, knew that with us making up more than 60% of the Bus passengers, if we stood our ground, demanding justice, by cause and effect, businesses that were economically dependent on us would suffer a great loss.

Could you imagine, what changes would come, in, and on our behalf..from inside school systems, police brutality, the criminal injustice system, to name a few, that us as a whole could bring about?

this is where I believe we differ, because the patterns that we see among our people did not just come from no where, Depression, low self esteem, loss of jobs, life, and the will to fight back, are factors also.

King wrote: "We would use this boycott method to give birth to justice and freedom... . I came to see that what we were really doing was withdrawing our cooperation from an evil system, rather than merely withdrawing our support from the bus company. The bus company, being an external expression of the system, would naturally suffer, but the basic aim was to refuse to cooperate with evil. We were simply saying to the white community: We can no longer lend our cooperation to an evil system. From that moment on I conceived of our movement as an act of massive non-cooperation."


So, first you get the people, then, you get the power...


Our elders had the understanding, that yes, action was indeed needed, but without us being organized, the energy would be lost without a stretched out plan..

We do need to vote, but could it be too, that direct action can bring about much better faster results,

than marching to the beat of worn down do nothing politicians, money fueled electoral campaining for pre selected scoundrels?

As with Boycotts, supporters, organizers, could and would not just be on the up coming election, but a daily effort, where we would rely on ourselves, and we be the voice of change, hope, against those who do us injustice...

what should also be noted, which goes alongside and even beyond voting, is Dr kings and others who organized, brilliant tactical approach, regarding boycotting too.

beyond any ballot, it was Boycotts, primarily the montgomery boycott, that illustrated what a powerful force we are to be reckoned with..

its no wonder why so many have labeled us, as the sleeping Giant..

Dr King, and other organizations, one being the NAACP, knew that with us making up more than 60% of the Bus passengers, if we stood our ground, demanding justice, by cause and effect, businesses that were economically dependent on us would suffer a great loss.

Could you imagine, what changes would come, in, and on our behalf..from inside school systems, police brutality, the criminal injustice system, to name a few, that us as a whole could bring about?

this is where I believe we differ, because the patterns that we see among our people did not just come from no where, Depression, low self esteem, loss of jobs, life, and the will to fight back, are factors also.

King wrote: "We would use this boycott method to give birth to justice and freedom... . I came to see that what we were really doing was withdrawing our cooperation from an evil system, rather than merely withdrawing our support from the bus company. The bus company, being an external expression of the system, would naturally suffer, but the basic aim was to refuse to cooperate with evil. We were simply saying to the white community: We can no longer lend our cooperation to an evil system. From that moment on I conceived of our movement as an act of massive non-cooperation."


So, first you get the people, then, you get the power...


Our elders had the understanding, that yes, action was indeed needed, but without us being organized, the energy would be lost without a stretched out plan..

We do need to vote, but could it be too, that direct action can bring about much better faster results,

than marching to the beat of worn down do nothing politicians, money fueled electoral campaining for pre selected scoundrels?

As with Boycotts, supporters, organizers, could and would not just be on the up coming election, but a daily effort, where we would rely on ourselves, and we be the voice of change, hope, against those who do us injustice...



:geek:


Please give some examples of direct action that will result in a cause and effect?

"Please give some examples of direct action that will result in a cause and effect?"

1 70% of us boycott the use of cell phones for one month,
2 cable for one month,
3 cigarettes, alcohol, marijuana, heroin , cocaine, coffee, dunkin donuts, and fast food for 4 days,
4 all luxury expenditures for 10 days

and see if there will not be a panic enough for the oligarchy to come and ask us what our demands are, before we even plan an agenda or a platform.

When the economy is bad,
they get despreate!!!!!!!!!!

"Please give some examples of direct action that will result in a cause and effect?"

1 70% of us boycott the use of cell phones for one month,
2 cable for one month,
3 cigarettes, alcohol, marijuana, heroin , cocaine, coffee, dunkin donuts, and fast food for 4 days,
4 all luxury expenditures for 10 days

and see if there will not be a panic enough for the oligarchy to come and ask us what our demands are, before we even plan an agenda or a platform.

When the economy is bad,
they get despreate!!!!!!!!!!

Though I do feel that one does not openly discuss and debate what actual methods/tactics/etc. to use against one's enemies (foes):

I am interested when it comes to what you're going to use to motivate your friends (allies)?

FYI...

And good luck!

"Please give some examples of direct action that will result in a cause and effect?"

1 70% of us boycott the use of cell phones for one month,
2 cable for one month,
3 cigarettes, alcohol, marijuana, heroin , cocaine, coffee, dunkin donuts, and fast food for 4 days,
4 all luxury expenditures for 10 days

and see if there will not be a panic enough for the oligarchy to come and ask us what our demands are, before we even plan an agenda or a platform.

When the economy is bad,
they get despreate!!!!!!!!!!


:fyi:


I want to do something more directed. I think this is a perfect opportunity to buy a major bank. We can tithe 10% in stocks and buy a Citibank. That would end redlining over night. It would create business opportunities over night. Especially if all our deposits go there


:geek:

I am with you on that 100%, but which is more easier to get folks to do?

spend money?

or keep it in their pocket?

I am with you on that 100%, but which is more easier to get folks to do?

spend money?

or keep it in their pocket?




It's easier to get them to do what they are already use to. The problem is getting the other leaders to buy into it



:toast:

[QUOTE=WARRIOR;596666]WELL....I AGREE THAT THERE IS SOMETHING TO BE LEARNED EVEN FROM THE FOULEST OF PEOPLE....POSSIBLY THERES SOMETHING TO EVEN CARRY....

AND I AGREE THAT WE DONT NEED VALIDATION FROM ANYONE IN ORDER TO ACHIEVE OR SUSTAIN....

BUT WHAT WE DO NEED IS EACH OTHER'S SUPPORT.......WITHOUT JUDGEMENT OR PREJUDICE....BECAUSE OUR DIFFERENCES ARE NOT GOING TO BE CHANGED OR SWITCHED......REGARDLESS WHO FOLLOWS.....REGARDLESS WHO LEADS.....

I agree!

ITS THE COMMON VICE(S) WE ALL SHARE....OR THE COMMON PROBLEM(S) WE ALL HAVE......THAT WILL ALLOW US TO LOOK UPON EACH OTHER AND SEE WHO AT THE LEAST IS SEEKING A SOLUTION....AND BE MAN/WOMAN ENOUGH TO STEP UP TO LISTEN , LEARN , TEACH , & SHARE.....

Good points!

SELFISHNESS EITHER SURFACES OR DEPARTS ONCE A CHOICE IS MADE FROM THIS....

As long as it's constructive criiticism?

I and nobody else should make it personal and/or be subjective about it...

SOME OF US LIVE BY THE BETTER WORD OR THE LAST WORD........I PREFER TO DO SOMETHING AND LET OTHERS DEFINE IT.........NOT ONLY IS RESPECT GAINED REPEATEDLY , BUT IN MY OPINION , THATS HOW WE LIVE ON THROUGH HISTORY....

On point/on time!

AS FOR CATCHING BEES WITH HONEY.....INSTANTLY I THINK OF THE MOVIE MALCOLM X......

ELIJAH MUHAMMAD SHOWS MALCOLM A GLASS OF WATER , AND HE ADDS COLORING TO IT...THEN ELIJAH TELLS HIM THE PEOPLE WILL DRINK THIS IF YOU OFFER IT TO THEM........IF THEIR THIRSTY....

MY POINT IS....I SERIOUSLY DOUBT THIS THREAD PRODUCED ANY VINEGAR.....SOMEONE FOULED UP THE HONEY WITH VINEGAR.....I CALL IT ATTENTION DISORDER...

Back in the day?

I and we used to complain the other person has an 'ego' (issue and) problem...

Yes...

Dificult (if not impossible) to get one's point across to people like that!

But...

Nothing gained (if nothing is ventured)...

:fyi:

WAKE UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Grow up!

Also stop making yourself the issue and the problem!

Or others may just ignore you:

Or just stop taking you serious at all!!

:11900:

:em0200:


:fyi:




1. Perhaps you should follow your own advice

2. The reason I placed the founders at the forefront was to NOT make me the issue

3. You obviously dont know our history so any comments you make are irrelevent

4. The number of posts in this thread and it's imitators would seem to indicate you dont know what you're talking about

5. Since it's obvious you dont know what you're talking about and bring no facts to the table. Why are you here again?


:geek:

LOL

:em0200:

:geek:




Is it that a generation of parents fell down on the job and didnt teach their children the correct path? Morevoer, did these same parents not lead by example?





:fyi:

Is it possible that not all of the sixties generation were prepared to even become parents in the first place?

Is it possible that since they had nothing to pass along that is why post sixties generations who also bring children into our midst bumble and fumble doing the years etc. they attempt to raise children as well?

At least some have the good sense to seek out grandparents and uncles and aunts who do know and understand a wee bit more than where the local welfare office etc. is!

On the other hand:

I also do heed via that other website etc.
we post on and which a particular single black mom put out here too:

As in?

We must help to end intergenerational 'curses'...

In any and all cases:

Ignorance ain't bliss...

:fyi:

Is it possible that not all of the sixties generation were prepared to even become parents in the first place?

Is it possible that since they had nothing to pass along that is why post sixties generations who also bring children into our midst bumble and fumble doing the years etc. they attempt to raise children as well?

At least some have the good sense to seek out grandparents and uncles and aunts who do know and understand a wee bit more than where the local welfare office etc. is!

On the other hand:

I also do heed via that other website etc.
we post on and which a particular single black mom put out here too:

As in?

We must help to end intergenerational 'curses'...

In any and all cases:

Ignorance ain't bliss...

:fyi:



:em0200:

:fyi:

Of course there are parents that were unfit. Who forgot where they came from. If you stop teaching the lessons that got you where you are to your children, you have abandoned your heritage. Which is why we have some of the mess we have today. Through the 70s, the oow birth rate in the black community was below the national average. Today, it follows the model that the FBI and CDC predicted.

But I disagree that they had nothing to pass on. There is a reason that we still grew in spite of rampant racism and out right genocide. We were all too quick to forget the lessons of that time



:geek:

Good morning, bro...

And this time we do agree...

:toast:

You wrote:

Of course there are parents that were unfit.

Chuck:

I prefer to consider them to have been unprepared...

You wrote:

If you stop teaching the lessons that got you where you are to your children, you have abandoned your heritage.

Chuck:

But who am I or anybody to prejudge the motivations etc. of other people?

I only know of and not a lot about you...

Now allow that same premise to a lot of people, neither of which we've ever met, let along mingle with, etc.

You wrote:

Through the 70s, the oow birth rate in the black community was below the national average.

Chuck:

That's the first time anybody has said and wrote that on any forum I had or have posted on!

You wrote:

Today, it follows the model that the FBI and CDC predicted.

Chuck:

Do elaborate a wee bit further...

More details please!

You wrote:

But I disagree that they had nothing to pass on.

There is a reason that we still grew in spite of rampant racism and out right genocide. We were all too quick to forget the lessons of that time

:geek:

Chuck:

Some were (or are) a reflection of what they are into at the time...

Others are reflections of whatever they're indulging in these days too...

Some things matter to some, matter not to others at all!

Do keep that in mind as well...

:SuN034:

You wrote:

Of course there are parents that were unfit.

Chuck:

I prefer to consider them to have been unprepared...

You wrote:

If you stop teaching the lessons that got you where you are to your children, you have abandoned your heritage.

Chuck:

But who am I or anybody to prejudge the motivations etc. of other people?

I only know of and not a lot about you...

Now allow that same premise to a lot of people, neither of which we've ever met, let along mingle with, etc.

You wrote:

Through the 70s, the oow birth rate in the black community was below the national average.

Chuck:

That's the first time anybody has said and wrote that on any forum I had or have posted on!

You wrote:

Today, it follows the model that the FBI and CDC predicted.

Chuck:

Do elaborate a wee bit further...

More details please!

You wrote:

But I disagree that they had nothing to pass on.

There is a reason that we still grew in spite of rampant racism and out right genocide. We were all too quick to forget the lessons of that time

:geek:

Chuck:

Some were (or are) a reflection of what they are into at the time...

Others are reflections of whatever they're indulging in these days too...

Some things matter to some, matter not to others at all!

Do keep that in mind as well...

:SuN034:


:fyi:


There have been over 60 years of tracking data to show the ravages of single parent oow families. Over 90% of all prison inmates come from these homes. Over 40% of all substance abuse come from these homes. This crosses racial, social, and economic lines. Thus the FBI tracks this. The Center for Disease Control tracks these families because, the death rates, disease ( STDs ) rates, infant mortality rates, etc are more than twice that of the general population. This isnt rocket science.

:geek:

:em0200:

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:toast:

:11900:



As we look around today, we see a group of socalled black men and women doing things our past leaders did not die for.

Can you do drugs and claim to be a black man or woman?

Can you not become educated or not push your children to do so and claim to be a black man or woman?

Can you let your pants sag or wear hoochey clothes and claim to be a black man or woman?

Can you not vote and claim to be a black man or woman?

Can you sell drugs and claim to be a black man or woman?

We all know many in our family, friends and aquaintences that are doing one or more of the above. Many that read this are doing them as well. How can we then claim to honor the teachings of of them that died for us and not come close to following? If we are doing these things shouldnt it then be ok to call us anything but black?

:?:

:qqb010:













and the billions are laundered, and wars are fought in Afghanistan for heroin, and troops are sent to Columbia to protect the cocaine industry,

do we have,
and are we planning to have our own Black plan against this genocide in our communty


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pDUn0te0Kus&feature=related

and the billions are laundered, and wars are fought in Afghanistan for heroin, and troops are sent to Columbia to protect the cocaine industry,

do we have,
and are we planning to have our own Black plan against this genocide in our communty


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pDUn0te0Kus&feature=related



Without a focus, we cant formulate a plan. It wasnt that long ago that we marched in lock step to get one brother or sister out of the hood.






:geek:

:fyi:

:em0200:

Without a focus, we cant formulate a plan. It wasnt that long ago that we marched in lock step to get one brother or sister out of the hood.






:geek:

:fyi:

:em0200:








What focus? every **** body even some crack heads and doogie heads are against drugs in our communities, why the doublt and pessimism, why the fear?

What would Rosa Parks, Dr King and El Hajj Malik Shabbazz, have to say about our failure to create a consensus regarding ridding our communities of this re-enslavement devise, by chemical means?

What focus? every **** body even some crack heads and doogie heads are against drugs in our communities, why the doublt and pessimism, why the fear?



We will agree to disagree over your assessment of how everyone feels about the drugs in our communities. Too many blunt smokers to make that statement.

But the focus I refer to is economic and educational. We have had more than enough opportunities to control our own economic destiny. We have refused to do so en masse

What would Rosa Parks, Dr King and El Hajj Malik Shabbazz, have to say about our failure to create a consensus regarding ridding our communities of this re-enslavement devise, by chemical means?

:whip:

:smash:

:fyi:

I think they would all be appalled by the fact that many think drugs are cool today


:em0200:

:geek:

:whip:

:smash:

:fyi:

I think they would all be appalled by the fact that many think drugs are cool today


:em0200:

:geek:

















Understanding Brother, and that was evidently the reason for the post, the point is I raised this and other Life preserving posts regarding the safety and future of the Black community, hoping to get some input from others regarding a solution to an obvious problem

Understanding Brother, and that was evidently the reason for the post, the point is I raised this and other Life preserving posts regarding the safety and future of the Black community, hoping to get some input from others regarding a solution to an obvious problem

:toast:

:geek:

That is the reason I authored this thread. I have found that basically, many socalled black people arent. Especially in here. Far to few have ever done anything to further the race. Moreover, they are the 1st to question others blaxkness

:10500:

:toast:

:geek:

That is the reason I authored this thread. I have found that basically, many socalled black people arent. Especially in here. Far to few have ever done anything to further the race. Moreover, they are the 1st to question others blaxkness

:10500:




















Which is sad and unfortunate and we should pray for them, but at the same time there should at this point in our technologicaly advanced state in communications and networking, as well as our economic status,
we should by now have a national organization dealing with correcting this ill in our community, since practically every household has been effected by it

Which is sad and unfortunate and we should pray for them, but at the same time there should at this point in our technologicaly advanced state in communications and networking, as well as our economic status,
we should by now have a national organization dealing with correcting this ill in our community, since practically every household has been effected by it

:toast:

Yes we should. But many of our national organizations didnt think this would happen on such a massive scale. By now, we should, as a people be moving like the jews

:toast:

Yes we should. But many of our national organizations didnt think this would happen on such a massive scale. By now, we should, as a people be moving like the jews




















In the historical sense there are startling similaritirs with the Khazaria and the Nation of Islam, who has had a history of patroling the community and shutting down drug spots and houses.
The king of the Khazars adopted the religion of Judaism to give his subjects discipline and unity, just as Elijah Muhammed adopted Islam to do the same for Black folks.

Not to go off subject, but if there are any 2 groups that will not be effected by the coming economic fall, it will be the orthodox and hasidic Jews and the Nation of Islam

In the historical sense there are startling similaritirs with the Khazaria and the Nation of Islam, who has had a history of patroling the community and shutting down drug spots and houses.
The king of the Khazars adopted the religion of Judaism to give his subjects discipline and unity, just as Elijah Muhammed adopted Islam to do the same for Black folks.

Not to go off subject, but if there are any 2 groups that will not be effected by the coming economic fall, it will be the orthodox and hasidic Jews and the Nation of Islam





We both agree on those working models

King, no. X, hell no. Parks just did what hundreds of black men and women got their ***** whipped for way before she got famous for it. I don't put her in the same category.

King, no. X, hell no. Parks just did what hundreds of black men and women got their ***** whipped for way before she got famous for it. I don't put her in the same category.



:10500:


So you dont think doing something today that would get you beaten or killed is worth it? Using that logic, there would have been no Civil Rights movement.

Please elaborate on your statements about King and X

:10500:


So you dont think doing something today that would get you beaten or killed is worth it? Using that logic, there would have been no Civil Rights movement.

Please elaborate on your statements about King and X



















to the question do we honor them?

to the question do we honor them?




:geek:


I'd rather not jump to any conclusions until I hear from him

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