Kemetic Reconstructionism ("Kemet" is the ancient word for Egypt) is a form of reconstructionist Neopagan religion that seeks to recreate ancient Egyptian religion as accurately as possible, based primarily on the latest research of Egyptologists.

Cultural and linguistic adaptions are made to ancient beliefs and rituals in order to preserve their meaning for modern followers, but eclecticism and adaptation is generally rejected in favor of authenticity.

Followers are referred to as Kemetic Reconstructionists or Kemetics.

Organization and Priesthood

There are many Kemetic organizations, but also a good number of Kemetic reconstructionists who are not part of any specific organization. Membership in an organization is not compulsory to worship the ancient Egyptian gods.

The largest Kemetic organization is the House of Netjer or Kemetic Orthodoxy, founded in the late 1980s by Tamara L. Siuda. It gained official recognition in the U.S. as a religion in 1994. Siuda underwent her coronation as Nisut-Bity (Pharaoh) in 1996 through ceremonies performed in Egypt, and is now known formally within her faith as "Her Holiness, Sekhenet-Ma'at-Ra setep-en-Ra Hekatawy I, Nisut-Bity of the Kemetic Orthodox faith." (See below for more on the role of Pharoah.) In 2000 Siuda earned a master's degree in Egyptology. The House of Netjer is headquarted at the Tawy House temple in Joliet, Illinois, and followers of the faith around the world correspond via the internet.

Several Kemetic temples and organizations maintain Egyptian-style priesthoods, with a hierarchy of part-time and full-time priests in addition to a chief priest embodied in the pharaoh or ruler. These organizations include the Kemetic Orthodox House of Netjer, Per-Ankh, the Church of the Eternal Source, the Akhet Hwt-Hrw and the Nuhati-am-Nutjeru, among other lesser-known groups.

Some Kemetics maintain, in keeping with the reconstructionist ideal, that the existence of a living Pharaoh (a Hebrew word; the Egyptian term is Nisut) is still required. This idea is rooted in an ancient belief that a "land without kingship" was a land that had lost its connection to Ma'at, and that the Pharaoh was a priest-king, the servant of both the gods and the people of Egypt. The largest Kemetic group, the House of Netjer, recognizes its founder, Egyptologist Rev. Tamara Siuda, as Nisut.

Other Kemetic organizations reject this idea, citing the abuse of power that could occur with a modern Pharoah. Instead, they recognize the Egyptian idea of kingship as a symbolic meeting of men and their gods and fulfill it by means of councils such as were convened in ancient Egypt during times of civil war or times of unrest when the line of normal kingly succession was not clear.

Beliefs

Kemetic Reconstructionists honor the ancient Egyptian gods, whom they call by their original Egyptian names rather than the more familiar Greek forms. These gods include:

Amun
Anubis
Bast
Bes
Hathor (Egyptian name: Het-heru, Het-hert, or Hwt-hru)
Horus (Hor or Heru)
Isis (Aset, Iset, Ast, or Auset)
Khonsu
Khnum
Ma'at
Nepthys
Osiris (Ausar, Asar, or Wesir)
Ra
Sekhmet
Set
Thoth
How these Gods are viewed depends on the individual belief. Polytheism is the most common form, in both ancient and modern forms of the religion. From this perspective, all the gods are understood as individual beings and are worshiped as individuals.

Many Kemetic Reconstructionists, including members of the large House of Netjer, define their form of polytheism as monolatry, a term coined by Egyptologists. This means that the many individual deities are regarded as parts of an ultimately unknowable self-created Oneness, known in ancient texts as Netjer, "being of divine power," or as Atum, "the complete one/the one who is not."

The ancient Egyptians had a variety of different myths to describe Earth's creation, which are meaningful to modern Kemetics despite their own (usually) scientific view of creation.

Views of Kermetics about the afterlife can vary significantly. Some Kemetic Reconstructionists accept the ancient Egyptian view of the afterlife, while others believe in reincarnation or hold other views. The ancient Egyptians saw the afterlife as a journey through several "tests," the climax of which is the Weighing of the Heart, in which the heart is weighed against an ostrich feather (Feather of Ma'at).

If the heart is too heavy with sin, it is fed to the monster-goddess Ammit and the person is destroyed forever. Those who pass this test become Akhu, or Blessed Ancestors. They reside in Duat, the land of Osiris, and can be communicated with by humans on Earth. If a person flees judgement or gets lost on the way, he or she may become a Muet, or angry dead person, terrorizing living descendants.

Ethics

Kemetic ethics are based in the Egyptian concept of Ma'at, which is truth, justice, order, and "that which is right." In addition, Kemetics look to ancient Egyptian law texts such as the Declaration of Innocence (also called the "Negative Confessions"), which contain a list of 42 sins a deceased person claims not to have done, and the Wisdom Texts, which are pieces of advice written by Ancient Egyptians.

The Declaration of Innocence includes such sins as murder, muddying the rivers of the Nile river, adultery, theft, eavesdropping, and sexual perversion. This last sin is often translated in older texts as committing homosexuality, but Kemetic Reconstructionists consider this a mistranslation and are open to homosexual members. A common theory is that the prohibition refers to child prostitution.

Practices

The most common form of religious ritual in Kermetic Reconstructionism is informal offerings and prayers at a personal shrine. A person may also adapt various community priestly rituals from ancient Egypt to be done by one person.

The Egyptians believed that for a person to survive death indefinitely, he or she must be remembered. The person's name and/or image must be remembered past death, which is the reason mummification was used. Mummification is not practiced by modern Kermetics, since photographs and other records are sufficient to preserve a deceased person's memory. Many Kermetics have an Akhu shrine, dedicated to the "blessed dead," for this purpose.

There are several Kermetic festivals every month, and in some months there is almost a festival for every day. As in ancient Egypt, worshipers can choose which to celebrate, based usually on location, temple affiliation, and personal devotion to a particular deity. But a few major holidays are celebrated by most Kermetics regardless of their temple affiliation (most temples have official calendars) or independent status:

Wep Ronpet, the Kemetic New Year
Feast of Opet
Feast of the Beautiful Valley
Solstice Celebrations and Equinox Celebrations (sacred to Hathor, Eye of Ra)
Feast of the Beautiful Reunion
Full and New Moon Celebrations (sacred to various moon gods depending on the season)
the birthdays and festival days of various gods and goddesses


The Ritual of the Senut or the Daily Rite is a Kemetic Orthodox ritual written in the early 1990s by Rev. Tamara Siuda, based upon a basic daily ritual practiced in the formal temples of antiquity and is partially translated into modern languages from those ancient rituals to that effect. The Senut, from an ancient word meaning "shrine," is given freely to all Kemetic Orthodox and is intended to be performed once daily whenever possible. Other Kemetic temples, such as Per-Ankh, often refer to their forms of this ritual as the "Daily Rite."

There are no formal rites of passage for solitary Kemetics, but the Kemetic Orthodox faith has developed specific rites of passage adapted from the spirit and tradition of ancient rites. Some of these have caused controversy among other Kemetic religionists, while others that have been adopted by them. These include Rootnaming, in which a child born to Kemetic parents is given an additional name indicating the god of his/her month of birth (e.g. Setneb for the month of Set), and the Rite of Parent Divination, a divination ritual performed for adult converts or children at puberty.


http://www.religionfacts.com/neopaganism/paths/kemetic.htm

Kemetic Reconstructionism ("Kemet" is the ancient word for Egypt) is a form of reconstructionist Neopagan religion that seeks to recreate ancient Egyptian religion as accurately as possible, based primarily on the latest research of Egyptologists.

Cultural and linguistic adaptions are made to ancient beliefs and rituals in order to preserve their meaning for modern followers, but eclecticism and adaptation is generally rejected in favor of authenticity.

Followers are referred to as Kemetic Reconstructionists or Kemetics.

Organization and Priesthood

There are many Kemetic organizations, but also a good number of Kemetic reconstructionists who are not part of any specific organization. Membership in an organization is not compulsory to worship the ancient Egyptian gods.

The largest Kemetic organization is the House of Netjer or Kemetic Orthodoxy, founded in the late 1980s by Tamara L. Siuda. It gained official recognition in the U.S. as a religion in 1994. Siuda underwent her coronation as Nisut-Bity (Pharaoh) in 1996 through ceremonies performed in Egypt, and is now known formally within her faith as "Her Holiness, Sekhenet-Ma'at-Ra setep-en-Ra Hekatawy I, Nisut-Bity of the Kemetic Orthodox faith." (See below for more on the role of Pharoah.) In 2000 Siuda earned a master's degree in Egyptology. The House of Netjer is headquarted at the Tawy House temple in Joliet, Illinois, and followers of the faith around the world correspond via the internet.

Several Kemetic temples and organizations maintain Egyptian-style priesthoods, with a hierarchy of part-time and full-time priests in addition to a chief priest embodied in the pharaoh or ruler. These organizations include the Kemetic Orthodox House of Netjer, Per-Ankh, the Church of the Eternal Source, the Akhet Hwt-Hrw and the Nuhati-am-Nutjeru, among other lesser-known groups.

Some Kemetics maintain, in keeping with the reconstructionist ideal, that the existence of a living Pharaoh (a Hebrew word; the Egyptian term is Nisut) is still required. This idea is rooted in an ancient belief that a "land without kingship" was a land that had lost its connection to Ma'at, and that the Pharaoh was a priest-king, the servant of both the gods and the people of Egypt. The largest Kemetic group, the House of Netjer, recognizes its founder, Egyptologist Rev. Tamara Siuda, as Nisut.

Other Kemetic organizations reject this idea, citing the abuse of power that could occur with a modern Pharoah. Instead, they recognize the Egyptian idea of kingship as a symbolic meeting of men and their gods and fulfill it by means of councils such as were convened in ancient Egypt during times of civil war or times of unrest when the line of normal kingly succession was not clear.

Beliefs

Kemetic Reconstructionists honor the ancient Egyptian gods, whom they call by their original Egyptian names rather than the more familiar Greek forms. These gods include:

Amun
Anubis
Bast
Bes
Hathor (Egyptian name: Het-heru, Het-hert, or Hwt-hru)
Horus (Hor or Heru)
Isis (Aset, Iset, Ast, or Auset)
Khonsu
Khnum
Ma'at
Nepthys
Osiris (Ausar, Asar, or Wesir)
Ra
Sekhmet
Set
Thoth
How these Gods are viewed depends on the individual belief. Polytheism is the most common form, in both ancient and modern forms of the religion. From this perspective, all the gods are understood as individual beings and are worshiped as individuals.

Many Kemetic Reconstructionists, including members of the large House of Netjer, define their form of polytheism as monolatry, a term coined by Egyptologists. This means that the many individual deities are regarded as parts of an ultimately unknowable self-created Oneness, known in ancient texts as Netjer, "being of divine power," or as Atum, "the complete one/the one who is not."

The ancient Egyptians had a variety of different myths to describe Earth's creation, which are meaningful to modern Kemetics despite their own (usually) scientific view of creation.

Views of Kermetics about the afterlife can vary significantly. Some Kemetic Reconstructionists accept the ancient Egyptian view of the afterlife, while others believe in reincarnation or hold other views. The ancient Egyptians saw the afterlife as a journey through several "tests," the climax of which is the Weighing of the Heart, in which the heart is weighed against an ostrich feather (Feather of Ma'at).

If the heart is too heavy with sin, it is fed to the monster-goddess Ammit and the person is destroyed forever. Those who pass this test become Akhu, or Blessed Ancestors. They reside in Duat, the land of Osiris, and can be communicated with by humans on Earth. If a person flees judgement or gets lost on the way, he or she may become a Muet, or angry dead person, terrorizing living descendants.

Ethics

Kemetic ethics are based in the Egyptian concept of Ma'at, which is truth, justice, order, and "that which is right." In addition, Kemetics look to ancient Egyptian law texts such as the Declaration of Innocence (also called the "Negative Confessions"), which contain a list of 42 sins a deceased person claims not to have done, and the Wisdom Texts, which are pieces of advice written by Ancient Egyptians.

The Declaration of Innocence includes such sins as murder, muddying the rivers of the Nile river, adultery, theft, eavesdropping, and sexual perversion. This last sin is often translated in older texts as committing homosexuality, but Kemetic Reconstructionists consider this a mistranslation and are open to homosexual members. A common theory is that the prohibition refers to child prostitution.

Practices

The most common form of religious ritual in Kermetic Reconstructionism is informal offerings and prayers at a personal shrine. A person may also adapt various community priestly rituals from ancient Egypt to be done by one person.

The Egyptians believed that for a person to survive death indefinitely, he or she must be remembered. The person's name and/or image must be remembered past death, which is the reason mummification was used. Mummification is not practiced by modern Kermetics, since photographs and other records are sufficient to preserve a deceased person's memory. Many Kermetics have an Akhu shrine, dedicated to the "blessed dead," for this purpose.

There are several Kermetic festivals every month, and in some months there is almost a festival for every day. As in ancient Egypt, worshipers can choose which to celebrate, based usually on location, temple affiliation, and personal devotion to a particular deity. But a few major holidays are celebrated by most Kermetics regardless of their temple affiliation (most temples have official calendars) or independent status:

Wep Ronpet, the Kemetic New Year
Feast of Opet
Feast of the Beautiful Valley
Solstice Celebrations and Equinox Celebrations (sacred to Hathor, Eye of Ra)
Feast of the Beautiful Reunion
Full and New Moon Celebrations (sacred to various moon gods depending on the season)
the birthdays and festival days of various gods and goddesses


The Ritual of the Senut or the Daily Rite is a Kemetic Orthodox ritual written in the early 1990s by Rev. Tamara Siuda, based upon a basic daily ritual practiced in the formal temples of antiquity and is partially translated into modern languages from those ancient rituals to that effect. The Senut, from an ancient word meaning "shrine," is given freely to all Kemetic Orthodox and is intended to be performed once daily whenever possible. Other Kemetic temples, such as Per-Ankh, often refer to their forms of this ritual as the "Daily Rite."

There are no formal rites of passage for solitary Kemetics, but the Kemetic Orthodox faith has developed specific rites of passage adapted from the spirit and tradition of ancient rites. Some of these have caused controversy among other Kemetic religionists, while others that have been adopted by them. These include Rootnaming, in which a child born to Kemetic parents is given an additional name indicating the god of his/her month of birth (e.g. Setneb for the month of Set), and the Rite of Parent Divination, a divination ritual performed for adult converts or children at puberty.


http://www.religionfacts.com/neopaganism/paths/kemetic.htm

Oh, Hell To The No You Didn't !!! Sorry Sis, you got to leave this one alone "Unless you are ready to deal with Christianity and it's origin tooth and nail"

1. Where did your commandments come from that God supposedly gave to Moses?

2. Where did the origin of your Christ come from"?

3.Where did you get your "virgin birth" from?

4. Where did You get your Jesus and his 12 disciples from?

5. Where did you get him being crucified and raising on the 3rd day from?

6. Where did you get your Trinity from?

7. Where did you get your Dec. 25th and Easter from?

8. Where did you get your concept of Satan from?

9. The Pert em Heru was written over 3,400 years before your Old Testament and 4,200 years before your New Testament. Since then there has been over 28 different versions and corruptions of it released including your King James Bible.

10. In Fact.. I can post over 250 direct parallels from Kemet and the so called sayings of Jesus or that's in the New Testament to show you that neither Jesus or the new testament said or did it first....or better yet, that "ONE IS SIMPLY A COPY/CORRUPTION OF THE OTHER".

11. Now if you so chose to disrespect our ancestors in this fashion like this again without having done any study to really "KNOW WHAT YOU'RE SPEAKING"...please do not post inaccurate information unless the POT LIKES CALLING THE KETTLE BLACK !!!

Oh, Hell To The No You Didn't !!! Sorry Sis, you got to leave this one alone "Unless you are ready to deal with Christianity and it's origin tooth and nail"
!!!


http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll296/snugasaglove/hysterical-1.gif

Whoodie-Hoo! Looks like I struck a NERVE! LMBO!

Keita, perhaps you haven't figured it out yet; but my reason for posting in the ATR sub-forum as well as the other belief systems is not one of disrespect but rather “***-for-tat” and “what's good for the goose is good for the gander.”

If you and others here can come into the Christianity sub-forum to give/assert your beliefs which counter MY religion, then why can't I post in the others?

And truly, I meant no disrespect with this thread. If the so-called “purpose” of these sub-forums is to “STUDY” each belief system in a “PROJECT,” then if I posted incorrect information, you can correct it.

So, don't get all defensive because I, a Christian, posted in the ATR forum.

When I first posted in the Christianity sub-forum, it was EMPTY. NO ONE had started any threads in it. But, as SOON as I,a CHRISTIAN, posted a thread in it, folks came a'running!

Until I posted THIS thread, there was NO activity in THIS forum since OCTOBER. And why don't I see any threads in this forum started by YOU?

Yet, YOU and some others who have different beliefs have been all over whatever I post in the Christianity forum.

And when I posted a thread on Esu/Elegbara, TWO members came in to ask why I, a CHRISTIAN, would post in this sub-forum. http://destee.com/forums/showthread.php?p=583122#post583122

Ironically, one of them mirrored my own vewpoint...

Originally Posted by*Bootzey*
As a non-Christian*I actually find this practice... posting on a thread that is not your belief structure... kind of offensive.*

I am not a Christian, and I have deep anti-Christian sentiments, but*I would never disrespect Christian belief sytem by chiming in on the Christian threads.*

Even though I USED to be a devout Christian, have a degree in theology and have read the Bible cover to cover at least 5 times; still I stay away from Christian threads.*I don't understand your purpose for posting about something you clearly state you don't believe in.

So, my POINT is, if everybody on Destee with all our different religions/beliefs can comment and counter everybody else's everywhere on the board, then that is just a BREEDING GROUND for conflict and disrespect, IMO.

Yes, this is a discussion board; and, yes, people are going to disagree.
However, there are countless threads here which, in some way, cover religion and beliefs.

But religion is an area which is always a touchy one. And I have seen how Destee members just LOVE to pick and tear apart another's spiritual beliefs. Some seem to THRIVE on it.

Many of the threads about religion are the ones which get the most responses.

Some of them are even “seemingly” started to BAIT other members who adhere to a particular religion. http://destee.com/forums/showthread.php?t=58676

But, I have PURPOSELY stayed away from and ignored such subjects because they are SET UP to be DIVISIVE.

So, I had restricted my Christian beliefs to the Christianity sub-forum, not all over the board.

So, if there is NO single, SEPARATE place here where different beliefs can mingle and discuss with others who believe the same, then that, IMO, is contradictory to Destee's mission statement.

Again, I meant no disrespect to ATR or any other belief here, but if you WANT respect, then GIVE IT.

Yet, you seem offended because I, a CHRISTIAN, posted some incorrect information in the ATR sub-forum. And I didn't know that it was incorrect. I just found a website and copied/pasted.

It was all a part of my test.

Things that make ya go “Hmmmm.”

http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll296/snugasaglove/hysterical-1.gif

Whoodie-Hoo! Looks like I struck a NERVE! LMBO!

Keita, perhaps you haven't figured it out yet; but my reason for posting in the ATR sub-forum as well as the other belief systems is not one of disrespect but rather “***-for-tat” and “what's good for the goose is good for the gander.”

If you and others here can come into the Christianity sub-forum to give/assert your beliefs which counter MY religion, then why can't I post in the others?

And truly, I meant no disrespect with this thread. If the so-called “purpose” of these sub-forums is to “STUDY” each belief system in a “PROJECT,” then if I posted incorrect information, you can correct it.

So, don't get all defensive because I, a Christian, posted in the ATR forum.

When I first posted in the Christianity sub-forum, it was EMPTY. NO ONE had started any threads in it. But, as SOON as I,a CHRISTIAN, posted a thread in it, folks came a'running!

Until I posted THIS thread, there was NO activity in THIS forum since OCTOBER. And why don't I see any threads in this forum started by YOU?

Yet, YOU and some others who have different beliefs have been all over whatever I post in the Christianity forum.

And when I posted a thread on Esu/Elegbara, TWO members came in to ask why I, a CHRISTIAN, would post in this sub-forum. http://destee.com/forums/showthread.php?p=583122#post583122

Ironically, one of them mirrored my own vewpoint...



So, my POINT is, if everybody on Destee with all our different religions/beliefs can comment and counter everybody else's everywhere on the board, then that is just a BREEDING GROUND for conflict and disrespect, IMO.
Yes, this is a discussion board; and, yes, people are going to disagree.
However, there are countless threads here which, in some way, cover religion and beliefs.

But religion is an area which is always a touchy one. And I have seen how Destee members just LOVE to pick and tear apart another's spiritual beliefs. Some seem to THRIVE on it.

Many of the threads about religion are the ones which get the most responses.

Some of them are even “seemingly” started to BAIT other members who adhere to a particular religion. http://destee.com/forums/showthread.php?t=58676

But, I have PURPOSELY stayed away from and ignored such subjects because they are SET UP to be DIVISIVE.

So, I had restricted my Christian beliefs to the Christianity sub-forum, not all over the board.

So, if there is NO single, SEPARATE place here where different beliefs can mingle and discuss with others who believe the same, then that, IMO, is contradictory to Destee's mission statement.

Again, I meant no disrespect to ATR or any other belief here, but if you WANT respect, then GIVE IT.

Yet, you seem offended because I, a CHRISTIAN, posted some incorrect information in the ATR sub-forum. And I didn't know that it was incorrect. I just found a website and copied/pasted.

It was all a part of my test.

Things that make ya go “Hmmmm.”






cherryblossom,
:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

Well said sister cherryblossom, well said indeed.

cherryblossom,
:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

Well said sister cherryblossom, well said indeed.



Thanks, Clyde, but be careful. You know they'll start to think we Christians are in cahoots together.

Thanks, Clyde, but be careful. You know they'll start to think we Christians are in cahoots together.




Open Forum and All Other Topics

Black/African Study of Spiritual Belief Systems
In this forum, we select texts surrounding a particular belief system, and study them for a month (or 3), from our own Black/African perspectives, with the goal of identifying truths or wisdom contained therein.
Sub-Forums: African Traditional, Islam, Judaic, Christianity, Buddhism

African Traditional
Sub-Forums: African Traditional Religion Study Group, Pert Em Heru / Kemetian Texts, Metu Neter - Vols I - II - III, The Old Testament







cherryblossom,

Certainly, I will be careful blossom, but no fear just misunderstanding, however, we are felt to be in cahoots together:). One of the good things that have come of all this is that Administration is working on dissolving the tension of Religious Discussion, Bro. $$RICH$$ shared this info in Bros. Chat on Tuesday.

If you will notice above, we have the forum breakdown and intent. The biggest misunderstanding is the Openness allowed, meaning; anyone can enter the study/discussions, regardless of their faith.

The problem has been that Christians or the Bible has always been put on the defensive in an Open Forum, so when a Christian in turns, enters study/discussions in the same Open Forum, there is ridicule. The problem remains, how do you allow Open discussion/study by those of different beliefs.

The answer becomes this, by following what has been laid out. The intent is clear and repeated here:

In this forum, we select texts surrounding a particular belief system, and study them for a month (or 3), from our own Black/African perspectives, with the goal of identifying truths or wisdom contained therein.

The emphases are upon Study and achieving a Goal, not combative back and forth discourse. Anything other than identifying truths and wisdom is incessant combative discourse(monologue).

We have been assured that future Religious dialogue, and not monologue, which does not involve Study and the Goal in these sub-forums and Open Forums, will be reminded of our Number # 1 Rule: Respect.

many of us were. so if i say something about christianity i speak with some knowledge.

while most ATR are quite familiar with christian, most christian know nothing of ATR.
when Christians speak on ATR it is generally very ignorant and disrespectful. kind of un christ like.

i once critisized christians. i don't bother any more. you do you and i do me.
i would b grateful to b spared the ignorant disrespect but if your faith teaches you that you must disrespect others than i guess you got to do that.

i'm trying to get my own head together for my own transition.
i would suggest others do the same.

Well, Clyde, I think this new decree sounds wonderful.

Like I said before, I, erroneously, thought that each religion/belief sub-forum was specifically for adherents of those faiths. So, when I first posted in the Christianity forum, I thought THAT was the place designated for Christians here.

And although there may be few Christians on this site, my intent was to open it up so that other Christians would come participate. I never intended to lead a "monologue" but rather prompt some "dialogue" on Christianity.

However, also, like I said before, I meant no disrespect to any of the other beliefs. My posting in them was just to see what kind of reaction I got and I certainly got my answer! LOL! But, it was all just a part of my own little "experiment." :em0100:

I do find it so interesting that, NOW, "new and improved" efforts are being installed to ensure that everyone adheres to the intent to "Study...with the goal of identifying truths or wisdom contained therein."

So, as the members of Destee continue in their "project" to examine each religion/belief system, I will be very interested in observing how that works out, especially when involving a mixture of people who vehemently oppose any one particular faith. ---With that said, I sincerely wish them well. However, from what I've seen on Destee in other discussion threads which involve religion, IMO, that's gonna be quite a trick.

Now, I can't speak for the other beliefs; but, as for Christianity, I do wonder just how others who so viciously oppose that religion are going to "identify truths or wisdom" within it, especially since the Bible is the guiding text and authority on that religion and the, equally, oppositional views about it as well. :?:

But, again, I do wish them well in their endeavors as they proceed through ALL of the beliefs here in this forum.

My posting in them was just to see what kind of reaction I got and I certainly got my answer! LOL! But, it was all just a part of my own little "experiment."

that's not nice experimenting on us "little" people

I do wonder just how others who so viciously oppose that religion are going to "identify truths

there is NO truth in RELIGION, it is there to describe what is undescribeable, to explain what can't be explained, and in REALITY religion is there to HIDE YOU FROM TRUTH

I do wish them well in their endeavors as they proceed through ALL of the beliefs here in this forum

i think the whole point of this is BE(LIE)VING

when one has built their foundation on a bed of false truths, people who can "see" that, know better & wonder to themselves if this person claims to be so "smart" how can they follow something that was made for children to follow?

the problem is with BE(LIE)VING, and K(NOW)ING and understanding that, so people come with the stupid ****. how do you know?

then i say, how do your lungs "know" to breathe, how do you "know" when you're ready to use a bathroom, how do you "know" when you're hungry, how do you "know" when you're sleepy, how do you "know" when you're horny
how do you "know" when you're sick

now here's a little experiment. replace the word "know" with the word "believe" in what i've stated above and see what you come up with
then tell me

your lungs believe they know how to breathe, you believe you're sleepy,
you believe you're hungry, and you believe you're sick

if you say i believe i have to go to the bathroom then u pass gas, but that gas was a wet one, then you would say i believe i have a spot in my underwear or i know i have a spot in my underwear?

i know this sounds so simplistic because it is, but again we tend to complicate
things with words especially english words

my point will be overstood by those who can

some will say what the hell is he talking about

people say they Be(lie)ve BUT do you really K(NOW)

:?:

I would like to present "EXHIBIT A"...



there is NO truth in RELIGION, it is there to describe what is undescribeable, to explain what can't be explained, and in REALITY religion is there to HIDE YOU FROM TRUTH

i think the whole point of this is BE(LIE)VING

when one has built their foundation on a bed of false truths, people who can "see" that, know better & wonder to themselves if this person claims to be so "smart" how can they follow something that was made for children to follow?

the problem is with BE(LIE)VING, and K(NOW)ING and understanding that, so people come with the stupid ****. how do you know?

then i say, how do your lungs "know" to breathe, how do you "know" when you're ready to use a bathroom, how do you "know" when you're hungry, how do you "know" when you're sleepy, how do you "know" when you're horny
how do you "know" when you're sick

now here's a little experiment. replace the word "know" with the word "believe" in what i've stated above and see what you come up with
then tell me

your lungs believe they know how to breathe, you believe you're sleepy,
you believe you're hungry, and you believe you're sick

if you say i believe i have to go to the bathroom then u pass gas, but that gas was a wet one, then you would say i believe i have a spot in my underwear or i know i have a spot in my underwear?

i know this sounds so simplistic because it is, but again we tend to complicate
things with words especially english words

my point will be overstood by those who can

some will say what the hell is he talking about

people say they Be(lie)ve BUT do you really K(NOW)

:?:


And, again, I wish you all well in your endeavors to examine "truths and wisdoms" within each belief system here.

I would like to present "EXHIBIT A"...




And, again, I wish you all well in your endeavors to examine "truths and wisdoms" within each belief system here.

i could present you as EXHIBIT A too? no really

the point is "EXAMINATION" of truth?, TRUTH NEEDS NO EXAMINATION

don't you get it

TRUTH DOESN'T NEED TO BE "EXAMINED"

LIES DO

i just saw i light go off in somebody's head

too bad it wasn't yours CB

the point is "EXAMINATION" of truth?, TRUTH NEEDS NO EXAMINATION

don't you get it

TRUTH DOESN'T NEED TO BE "EXAMINED"

LIES DO




Well, if that be the case, then the whole "project" is irrelevant.

Well, if that be the case, then the whole "project" is irrelevant.

k(NOW) we're making progress

it's TRULY the irrelevance of it all that we've made revelant which boggles my mind

i appreciate the open dialogue CB

despite the way i "word" my comments

I HAVE GREAT RESPECT FOR YOU

:bowdown:

k(NOW) we're making progress




I don't see "progress."

I see division.

When this so-called "project" was first introduced, it appears to have received a lot of support and enthusiasm.

Now, when the "majority" or like-minded have discussed some of the beliefs in this forum, all was well; but when a "minority" was introduced, there was swift, immediate, and vehement opposition to their views.

So, like I said, I wish you all well in your endeavors to delve into whatever "truths and wisdom" or "lies" any of you seek to reveal.

Well, Clyde, I think this new decree sounds wonderful.

Like I said before, I, erroneously, thought that each religion/belief sub-forum was specifically for adherents of those faiths. So, when I first posted in the Christianity forum, I thought THAT was the place designated for Christians here.

And although there may be few Christians on this site, my intent was to open it up so that other Christians would come participate. I never intended to lead a "monologue" but rather prompt some "dialogue" on Christianity.

However, also, like I said before, I meant no disrespect to any of the other beliefs. My posting in them was just to see what kind of reaction I got and I certainly got my answer! LOL! But, it was all just a part of my own little "experiment." :em0100:

I do find it so interesting that, NOW, "new and improved" efforts are being installed to ensure that everyone adheres to the intent to "Study...with the goal of identifying truths or wisdom contained therein."

So, as the members of Destee continue in their "project" to examine each religion/belief system, I will be very interested in observing how that works out, especially when involving a mixture of people who vehemently oppose any one particular faith. ---With that said, I sincerely wish them well. However, from what I've seen on Destee in other discussion threads which involve religion, IMO, that's gonna be quite a trick.

Now, I can't speak for the other beliefs; but, as for Christianity, I do wonder just how others who so viciously oppose that religion are going to "identify truths or wisdom" within it, especially since the Bible is the guiding text and authority on that religion and the, equally, oppositional views about it as well. :?:

But, again, I do wish them well in their endeavors as they proceed through ALL of the beliefs here in this forum.




cherryblossom,

I know how you feel, I have felt the same way, but what I find is that the good fight is hard and the race is long, and that many are called but few are chosen...Peace In to you my sister friend.

Well, if that be the case, then the whole "project" is irrelevant.

:bingo:

I don't see "progress."

I see division.

When this so-called "project" was first introduced, it appears to have received a lot of support and enthusiasm.

Now, when the "majority" or like-minded have discussed some of the beliefs in this forum, all was well; but when a "minority" was introduced, there was swift, immediate, and vehement opposition to their views.

So, like I said, I wish you all well in your endeavors to delve into whatever "truths and wisdom" or "lies" any of you seek to reveal.

of course you "SEE" division

if you have 50 people who follow rat poison to be good for people

and a 100 come and say it's no good, you'd rather say because the 50 are "like minded" you deem that to be a good thing though the rat poison is a bad thing

also I'M NOT ON ANY ENDEAVORS YOU'RE THE ONE WHO STARTED THIS
PROJECT I DON'T HAVE TO DELVE INTO ANYTHING

I'M ALREADY HERE, I'M JUST WAITING FOR YOU SIS CB

you're too intelligent to leave you behind IMO

and again OF COURSE YOU "SEE" DIVISON i "SEE" THE IRONY

see i have great respect for you

:bowdown:

i'm bowing again

of course you "SEE" division

also I'M NOT ON ANY ENDEAVORS YOU'RE THE ONE WHO STARTED THIS
PROJECT I DON'T HAVE TO DELVE INTO ANYTHING



I'm not on any "endeavors" either, So'ja. My "experiment" yesterday was proven to my satisfaction.

But, THIS PROJECT on belief systems was started in 2006 by KemetKind and Destee and some others.

So, all I did was bring attention back to it. Cuz I sho nuff got LOTS of attention when I posted in the Christianity forum. LOL!

So, again, I wish YOU and the others well in your "PROJECT."

I'm not on any "endeavors" either, So'ja. My "experiment" yesterday was proven to my satisfaction.

But, THIS PROJECT on belief systems was started in 2006 by KemetKind and Destee and some others.

So, all I did was bring attention back to it. Cuz I sho nuff got LOTS of attention when I posted in the Christianity forum. LOL!

So, again, I wish YOU and the others well in your "PROJECT."

you used the word endeavor and YOU said you were doing an experiment
and a project not me I'M JUST THE MIRROR IN FRONT OF YOU
so why you coming at me like that lol

these are your comments


It was all a part of my test.
[/b]


it was all just a part of my own little "experiment."

then you say i'm exhibit A

I would like to present "EXHIBIT A"...
And, again, I wish you all well in your endeavors to examine "truths and wisdoms" within each belief system here.


ending with my "endeavor", which is false also you mentioned destee and kementkind started this in 2006, your OP didn't indicate any of that
there are 500,000 posts here is hard to know them all especially if your not the author of that post

this is just like the "psychology" threads you posted, you just posted the test
and i respond to the test and you say no i meant to show this and show that
but your OP just had the test, it's the same here, you give now reference

then you yourself say this is an experiment for you and by going on to
use me as Exhibit A enhances my point

:hi:

So, again, I wish YOU and the others well in your "PROJECT."

again i've already told you i'm not on an endeavor or project so i would appreciate if you would stop saying this

Kemetic Reconstructionism ("Kemet" is the ancient word for Egypt) is a form of reconstructionist Neopagan religion that seeks to recreate ancient Egyptian religion as accurately as possible, based primarily on the latest research of Egyptologists.

Cultural and linguistic adaptions are made to ancient beliefs and rituals in order to preserve their meaning for modern followers, but eclecticism and adaptation is generally rejected in favor of authenticity.

Followers are referred to as Kemetic Reconstructionists or Kemetics.

Organization and Priesthood

There are many Kemetic organizations, but also a good number of Kemetic reconstructionists who are not part of any specific organization. Membership in an organization is not compulsory to worship the ancient Egyptian gods.

The largest Kemetic organization is the House of Netjer or Kemetic Orthodoxy, founded in the late 1980s by Tamara L. Siuda. It gained official recognition in the U.S. as a religion in 1994. Siuda underwent her coronation as Nisut-Bity (Pharaoh) in 1996 through ceremonies performed in Egypt, and is now known formally within her faith as "Her Holiness, Sekhenet-Ma'at-Ra setep-en-Ra Hekatawy I, Nisut-Bity of the Kemetic Orthodox faith." (See below for more on the role of Pharoah.) In 2000 Siuda earned a master's degree in Egyptology. The House of Netjer is headquarted at the Tawy House temple in Joliet, Illinois, and followers of the faith around the world correspond via the internet.

Several Kemetic temples and organizations maintain Egyptian-style priesthoods, with a hierarchy of part-time and full-time priests in addition to a chief priest embodied in the pharaoh or ruler. These organizations include the Kemetic Orthodox House of Netjer, Per-Ankh, the Church of the Eternal Source, the Akhet Hwt-Hrw and the Nuhati-am-Nutjeru, among other lesser-known groups.

Some Kemetics maintain, in keeping with the reconstructionist ideal, that the existence of a living Pharaoh (a Hebrew word; the Egyptian term is Nisut) is still required. This idea is rooted in an ancient belief that a "land without kingship" was a land that had lost its connection to Ma'at, and that the Pharaoh was a priest-king, the servant of both the gods and the people of Egypt. The largest Kemetic group, the House of Netjer, recognizes its founder, Egyptologist Rev. Tamara Siuda, as Nisut.

Other Kemetic organizations reject this idea, citing the abuse of power that could occur with a modern Pharoah. Instead, they recognize the Egyptian idea of kingship as a symbolic meeting of men and their gods and fulfill it by means of councils such as were convened in ancient Egypt during times of civil war or times of unrest when the line of normal kingly succession was not clear.

Beliefs

Kemetic Reconstructionists honor the ancient Egyptian gods, whom they call by their original Egyptian names rather than the more familiar Greek forms. These gods include:

Amun
Anubis
Bast
Bes
Hathor (Egyptian name: Het-heru, Het-hert, or Hwt-hru)
Horus (Hor or Heru)
Isis (Aset, Iset, Ast, or Auset)
Khonsu
Khnum
Ma'at
Nepthys
Osiris (Ausar, Asar, or Wesir)
Ra
Sekhmet
Set
Thoth
How these Gods are viewed depends on the individual belief. Polytheism is the most common form, in both ancient and modern forms of the religion. From this perspective, all the gods are understood as individual beings and are worshiped as individuals.

Many Kemetic Reconstructionists, including members of the large House of Netjer, define their form of polytheism as monolatry, a term coined by Egyptologists. This means that the many individual deities are regarded as parts of an ultimately unknowable self-created Oneness, known in ancient texts as Netjer, "being of divine power," or as Atum, "the complete one/the one who is not."

The ancient Egyptians had a variety of different myths to describe Earth's creation, which are meaningful to modern Kemetics despite their own (usually) scientific view of creation.

Views of Kermetics about the afterlife can vary significantly. Some Kemetic Reconstructionists accept the ancient Egyptian view of the afterlife, while others believe in reincarnation or hold other views. The ancient Egyptians saw the afterlife as a journey through several "tests," the climax of which is the Weighing of the Heart, in which the heart is weighed against an ostrich feather (Feather of Ma'at).

If the heart is too heavy with sin, it is fed to the monster-goddess Ammit and the person is destroyed forever. Those who pass this test become Akhu, or Blessed Ancestors. They reside in Duat, the land of Osiris, and can be communicated with by humans on Earth. If a person flees judgement or gets lost on the way, he or she may become a Muet, or angry dead person, terrorizing living descendants.

Ethics

Kemetic ethics are based in the Egyptian concept of Ma'at, which is truth, justice, order, and "that which is right." In addition, Kemetics look to ancient Egyptian law texts such as the Declaration of Innocence (also called the "Negative Confessions"), which contain a list of 42 sins a deceased person claims not to have done, and the Wisdom Texts, which are pieces of advice written by Ancient Egyptians.

The Declaration of Innocence includes such sins as murder, muddying the rivers of the Nile river, adultery, theft, eavesdropping, and sexual perversion. This last sin is often translated in older texts as committing homosexuality, but Kemetic Reconstructionists consider this a mistranslation and are open to homosexual members. A common theory is that the prohibition refers to child prostitution.

Practices

The most common form of religious ritual in Kermetic Reconstructionism is informal offerings and prayers at a personal shrine. A person may also adapt various community priestly rituals from ancient Egypt to be done by one person.

The Egyptians believed that for a person to survive death indefinitely, he or she must be remembered. The person's name and/or image must be remembered past death, which is the reason mummification was used. Mummification is not practiced by modern Kermetics, since photographs and other records are sufficient to preserve a deceased person's memory. Many Kermetics have an Akhu shrine, dedicated to the "blessed dead," for this purpose.

There are several Kermetic festivals every month, and in some months there is almost a festival for every day. As in ancient Egypt, worshipers can choose which to celebrate, based usually on location, temple affiliation, and personal devotion to a particular deity. But a few major holidays are celebrated by most Kermetics regardless of their temple affiliation (most temples have official calendars) or independent status:

Wep Ronpet, the Kemetic New Year
Feast of Opet
Feast of the Beautiful Valley
Solstice Celebrations and Equinox Celebrations (sacred to Hathor, Eye of Ra)
Feast of the Beautiful Reunion
Full and New Moon Celebrations (sacred to various moon gods depending on the season)
the birthdays and festival days of various gods and goddesses


The Ritual of the Senut or the Daily Rite is a Kemetic Orthodox ritual written in the early 1990s by Rev. Tamara Siuda, based upon a basic daily ritual practiced in the formal temples of antiquity and is partially translated into modern languages from those ancient rituals to that effect. The Senut, from an ancient word meaning "shrine," is given freely to all Kemetic Orthodox and is intended to be performed once daily whenever possible. Other Kemetic temples, such as Per-Ankh, often refer to their forms of this ritual as the "Daily Rite."

There are no formal rites of passage for solitary Kemetics, but the Kemetic Orthodox faith has developed specific rites of passage adapted from the spirit and tradition of ancient rites. Some of these have caused controversy among other Kemetic religionists, while others that have been adopted by them. These include Rootnaming, in which a child born to Kemetic parents is given an additional name indicating the god of his/her month of birth (e.g. Setneb for the month of Set), and the Rite of Parent Divination, a divination ritual performed for adult converts or children at puberty.


http://www.religionfacts.com/neopaganism/paths/kemetic.htm

i don't see where is says Destee and Kemetkind started this in 2006 and you were just bring this back

But, THIS PROJECT on belief systems was started in 2006 by KemetKind and Destee and some others.

So, all I did was bring attention back to it. Cuz I sho nuff got LOTS of attention when I posted in the Christianity forum. LOL!

it's funny how you "LOL" to your own stuff before the ice had a chance to melt

plus this is african traditional weren't you the one complaining that members shouldn't "invade" other members belief forums?

cherryblossom,

I know how you feel, I have felt the same way, but what I find is that the good fight is hard and the race is long, and that many are called but few are chosen...Peace In to you my sister friend.



No, Clyde, a "good fight" is fair and equal. That's why there are weight divisions and referees and ground rules on what is "below the belt" and impermissable in the ring.

And I thank you for your empathy.

But, my name is not "Rudolph" and I don't want to join in their little reindeer "games."

So'ja, did you read my previous posts in this thread?

Cuz I'm not gonna re-state all that I've already said.

You came in on the tail end of this.

Also read the "Esu/Elegbara" thread.


Perhaps, this one and that will help you "overstand."

So'ja, did you read my previous posts in this thread?

Cuz I'm not gonna re-state all that I've already said.

You came in on the tail end of this.

Also read the "Esu/Elegbara" thread.


Perhaps, this one and that will help you "overstand."

perhaps you haven't figured it out yet; but my reason for posting in the ATR sub-forum as well as the other belief systems is not one of disrespect but rather “***-for-tat” and “what's good for the goose is good for the gander

you said this was *** for tat

yes i did come on the tail end

i will take a look at the thread you suggested

i OVERSTAND more than you give me credit for

i don't remember "jesus" being *** for tat

hmmmmm?

i don't remember "jesus" being *** for tat




There's a lot you don't remember about Jesus.

According to you, you left Christianity as a teenager. But, perhaps, the "PROJECT" will help you "overstand."

No, Clyde, a "good fight" is fair and equal. That's why there are weight divisions and referees and ground rules on what is "below the belt" and impermissable in the ring.

And I thank you for your empathy.

But, my name is not "Rudolph" and I don't want to join in their little reindeer "games."



My reference applies to the spiritual warfare, cherryblossom, remember? We wrestle not .....Peace In my sister friend. (But I do understood this physical[flesh and blood] thing you are talking about)

My reference applies to the spiritual warfare, cherryblossom, remember? We wrestle not .....Peace In my sister friend. (But I do understood this physical[flesh and blood] thing you are talking about)



I caught your reference, Clyde.

My "boxing metaphor" was just my way of showing how I see this so-called "project."

So, I'm not gonna "cast my pearls before swine."

I caught your reference, Clyde.

My "boxing metaphor" was just my way of showing how I see this so-called "project."

So, I'm not gonna "cast my pearls before swine."




What about the one, the 99 are in good hands, cherryblossom.

What about the one, the 99 are in good hands, cherryblossom.




I'm gonna put 'em ALL in the "Hands Of The Man Who Stilled The Water...Who Calmed The Sea... the Man From Galilee."

I'm gonna put 'em ALL in the "Hands Of The Man Who Stilled The Water...Who Calmed The Sea... the Man From Galilee."





That's the Business, for real blossom...Peace In my sister friend.

you said you grew up in the PJ's so you know the streets don't play "games"
at least i know the PJ's around here don't play that

so i hope you weren't referring to me when you suggested "reindeer games"

But, my name is not "Rudolph" and I don't want to join in their little reindeer "games."

this is not some game

So, I'm not gonna "cast my pearls before swine."

more humor i see lol

those ain't pearls sorry it's more like swine BEFORE the pearls in this case

There's a lot you don't remember about Jesus.

According to you, you left Christianity as a teenager. But, perhaps, the "PROJECT" will help you "overstand."

why do you attempt to always insult my intelligence?

QUESTION - Is christianity the ONLY religion that follows "JESUS"

QUESTION - Is christianity the ONLY religion that follow the "BIBLE"

so why do you keep bringing up the fact that i did jesus as a kid, when i could have learned more from other "sources"

and i don't remember jesus being *** for tat

i don't see what some project has to do with answering a basic question

i don't understand why people send people on wild goose chases when

something is just YES or NO lol

now i just had a question

was/is jesus *** for tat?

you said you grew up in the PJ's so you know the streets don't play "games"
at least i know the PJ's around here don't play that

so i hope you weren't referring to me when you suggested "reindeer games"
But, my name is not "Rudolph" and I don't want to join in their little reindeer "games."

this is not some game
So, I'm not gonna "cast my pearls before swine."
more humor i see lol

those ain't pearls sorry it's more like swine BEFORE the pearls in this case



why do you attempt to always insult my intelligence?

QUESTION - Is christianity the ONLY religion that follows "JESUS"

QUESTION - Is christianity the ONLY religion that follow the "BIBLE"

so why do you keep bringing up the fact that i did jesus as a kid, when i could have learned more from other "sources"

and i don't remember jesus being *** for tat

i don't see what some project has to do with answering a basic question

i don't understand why people send people on wild goose chases when

something is just YES or NO lol

now i just had a question

was/is jesus *** for tat?

So'ja, for somebody who claims to "overstand" so much, I don't understand why you took two quotes from my response to CLYDE and attributed them to YOU.

However, I assure you that I'm not "playing games" and I don't want to play any. I was referencing the "PROJECT" when I mentioned that. So, NO, I'm not "Rudolph."

Also, the "pearls/swine" reference was to the "PROJECT" and ALL who seek to play "games" with it.

Matt.7 [6] Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.

Now, I wasn't talking about YOU, per se; but IF THE SHOE FITS, WEAR IT.

Moreover, you have a penchant for pulling out one thing I've said and comparing/contrasting it to Jesus. However, when I said "t*t-for-tat," I meant my little "experiment" by posting in the other belief sub-forums to see what kind of reaction I got.

BUT, it really WASN'T "t*t for tat" because I didn't go into any other BELIEF and talk about Christianity. So, you locked onto an expression and applied it literally.

However, to answer your question about Jesus and "t*t for tat," I would say, YES, He did.

Why? Because Jesus often taught a lesson or answered questions put to him by using parable.

Parable:
1. a short allegorical story designed to illustrate or teach some truth, religious principle, or moral lesson.
2. a statement or comment that conveys a meaning indirectly by the use of comparison, analogy, or the like.

And, I used the phrase "t*t-for-tat," metaphorically, to compare my "experiment" to the "PROJECT," i.e., "t*t-for-tat."

However, to answer your question about Jesus and "t*t for tat," I would say, YES, He did.

Why? Because Jesus often taught a lesson or answered questions put to him by using parable.


ok if that's how you define it i stand corrected

BUT, it really WASN'T "t*t for tat" because I didn't go into any other BELIEF and talk about Christianity. So, you locked onto an expression and applied it literally.

no i was just quoting you my bad

perhaps you haven't figured it out yet; but my reason for posting in the ATR sub-forum as well as the other belief systems is not one of disrespect but rather “***-for-tat” and “what's good for the goose is good for the gander

i just referred to the context of "*** for tat" in this statement

my bad for misreading you

Putting this out there before mercury goes retro.....

Questions for the 'enlightened' folks on destee.com.

What part of true spirituality teaches to behave in an aggressive, disrespectful, (without provocation) egotistical manner,and to engage in condescending/patronizing speech when teaching your 'unenlightened brothers and sisters' the error of following 'the white man's religion'?. Even a cruddy old white man; the American president, Theodore Roosevelt: a person who according to doctrine of the 'enlightened' ones, would be classified as a 'devil', or a person lacking in 'spiritual knowledge', but who somehow managed squeezed the last vestige of wisdom and universal truth, out of his calcified pineal gland said: 'walk softly but carry a big stick' a play on the west African proverb “Speak softly and carry a big stck''


'No knife is so sharp that it is able to carve its own hilt.' (Yoruba proverb)


'' we trip over our own ego time and time again' (brother sekhemu)


Some who follow the Abramhamic religions do have a tendency to make blanket statments and ignorant comments about African religion, or any other spiritual following outside their teachings, but doesn't the burden fall upon dose who claim to understand true African culture, spirituality, religion..etc...to rise above the same behavior?.

Putting this out there before mercury goes retro.....

Question for the 'enlightened' folks on destee.com.

What part of true spirituality teaches to behave in an aggressive, disrespectful (without provocation) egotistical manner, to engage in condescending and patronizing speech when teaching your 'unenlightened brother and sisters' the error of following 'the white man's religion'?. Even the cruddy old white man; the American president, Theodore Roosevelt: a person who according to doctrine of the 'enlightened' ones, would be classified as a 'devil', or a person lacking in spiritual knowledge, but somehow managed squeezed the last vestige of wisdom and universal truth out of his calcified pineal gland to say: 'walk softly but carry a big stick' a play on the west African proverb “Speak softly and carry a big stck''


'No knife is so sharp that it is able to carve its own hilt.' (Yoruba proverb)


'' we trip over our own ego time and time again' (brother sekhemu)


Some who follow the Abramhamic religions do have a tendency to make blanket statments and ignorant comments about African religion, or any other spiritual following outside their teachings, but doesn't the burden fall upon dose who claim to understand true African culture, spirituality, religion..etc...to rise above the same behavior?.




Amnatt77,
:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

Well said my sister friend Amnatt77, indeed. Look, if you ever see me perform in the manner described(above) as some of the Abramhamic religions do, please Amnatt77, pull my coat and tell me that my friend, K.

I can only trust that you will read and comply with my request of you Sister, we seem to have lost all contact, lol:). How are you doing?

Putting this out there before mercury goes retro.....

Question for the 'enlightened' folks on destee.com.

What part of true spirituality teaches to behave in an aggressive, disrespectful (without provocation) egotistical manner, to engage in condescending and patronizing speech when teaching your 'unenlightened brother and sisters' the error of following 'the white man's religion'?. Even the cruddy old white man; the American president, Theodore Roosevelt: a person who according to doctrine of the 'enlightened' ones, would be classified as a 'devil', or a person lacking in spiritual knowledge, but somehow managed squeezed the last vestige of wisdom and universal truth out of his calcified pineal gland to say: 'walk softly but carry a big stick' a play on the west African proverb “Speak softly and carry a big stck''


'No knife is so sharp that it is able to carve its own hilt.' (Yoruba proverb)


'' we trip over our own ego time and time again' (brother sekhemu)


Some who follow the Abramhamic religions do have a tendency to make blanket statments and ignorant comments about African religion, or any other spiritual following outside their teachings, but doesn't the burden fall upon dose who claim to understand true African culture, spirituality, religion..etc...to rise above the same behavior?.

i'm so glad that our ancestors and leaders of the civil rights movement of the 1960's didn't take on this POWDER PUFF mentality that was created after 1979

you seem like the type the would say after seeing black people being lynched, raped, mauled and murdered you would wonder if the were too agressive
or too egotistical so that's why that must have happened to them

there's a thing called PASSION, but in this POWDER PUFF KEG we live in nowadays, passion is labeled as anger or indifference and disrespect lol and i wonder were we would be if our ancestors had taken this mentality over all

so before you comment REMEMBER you're powder puff existence thrives (not talking directly to you A77)because somebody died for you, took a beating for you, was raped for you
and was displaced for you

at least we can show passion to reach the next level

it's not easy so what you see as ego and aggression is just PASSION

Amnatt77,
:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

Well said my sister friend Amnatt77, indeed. Look, if you ever see me perform in the manner described(above) as some of the Abramhamic religions do, please Amnatt77, pull my coat and tell me that my friend, K.

I can only trust that you will read and comply with my request of you Sister, we seem to have lost all contact, lol:). How are you doing?



Of course bro clyde, I will do it with the upmost respect...I'm well thank you, you know I will be a rebel till the day i die!.

i'm so glad that our ancestors and leaders of the civil rights movement of the 1960's didn't take on this POWDER PUFF mentality that was created after 1979

you seem like the type the would say after seeing black people being lynched, raped, mauled and murdered you would wonder if the were too agressive
or too egotistical so that's why that must have happened to them

there's a thing called PASSION, but in this POWDER PUFF KEG we live in nowadays, passion is labeled as anger or indifference and disrespect lol and i wonder were we would be if our ancestors had taken this mentality over all

so before you comment REMEMBER you're powder puff existence thrives (not talking directly to you A77)because somebody died for you, took a beating for you, was raped for you
and was displaced for you

at least we can show passion to reach the next level

it's not easy so what you see as ego and aggression is just PASSION

Pure Emotionalism.

My dear, do not act like a CRAB who walks side to side, be direct like the LION you claim to be....try to 'overstand' the proverb 'speak sofly but carry a big stick' (hint milltary)then reread by comment and yours. Why would you direct what I see as aggression, and what you claim is 'passion' at your brothers and sisters who you claim 'love'?.

Don't waste your time arguing with Christians. They have been taught to believe that their belief structure is the ONLY one and the devout ones are willing to die or kill for their beliefs. Even though nothing they claim is provable and/or reproducible (scientific hallmark).

I prefer facts, myself.

Have y'all noticed that this site used to be friendly and informative. Now it's a whole lot of finger pointing and arguing? At least the poets are minding their manners. Don't know about y'all, but I'm going to step out of this matrix. Let me know when the smoke clears.



Peace

Don't waste your time arguing with Christians. They have been taught to believe that their belief structure is the ONLY one and the devout ones are willing to die or kill for their beliefs. Even though nothing they claim is provable and/or reproducible (scientific hallmark).

I prefer facts, myself.

Have y'all noticed that this site used to be friendly and informative. Now it's a whole lot of finger pointing and arguing? At least the poets are minding their manners. Don't know about y'all, but I'm going to step out of this matrix. Let me know when the smoke clears.



Peace

Ase Ase Ase, well said Sistah

Don't waste your time arguing with Christians. They have been taught to believe that their belief structure is the ONLY one and the devout ones are willing to die or kill for their beliefs. Even though nothing they claim is provable and/or reproducible (scientific hallmark).

I prefer facts, myself.

Have y'all noticed that this site used to be friendly and informative. Now it's a whole lot of finger pointing and arguing? At least the poets are minding their manners. Don't know about y'all, but I'm going to step out of this matrix. Let me know when the smoke clears.



Peace


Don't get twisted hon, I'm not a Christian either. I was raised a Muslim, went to catholic school, but I am 100% YORUBA. I read a lot of threads on destee, but I only comment on the ones that move my spirit. Look in the mirror and see who's pointing back. Destee is, and always will be a informative, one just has to know how to decern BS, biasness, egotism, injustice from true spiritual wisdom. Yes some Christian do come in with guns blazing, proclaiming all those who worship any entity other than their god to be demonic; however, CB did don't display this attitude. I'm responding to this thread specifically because I view destee as a microcosm of the real world, and because this same disrespectful, and mob type behavior was displayed towards me when I first started posting on here,(I'm a scorp, so you know we don't forget nothing!)and I've seen it done to couple of OCCULT followers, or anyone who isn't in the little 'gang of enlightened ones' y'all got going on up in here.

Pure Emotionalism.

My dear, do not act like a CRAB who walks side to side, be direct like the LION you claim to be....try to 'overstand' the proverb 'speak sofly but carry a big stick' (hint milltary)then reread by comment and yours. Why would you direct what I see as aggression, and what you claim is 'passion' at your brothers and sisters who you claim 'love'?.

emotional? let me see your response after 50 bullets come down a dark alley
at you and you have no way to turn then talk to me about "emotional" or passion to live lol

so our ancestors who were beat, tortured, raped and murdered were "emotional" too i guess huh?

i don't have to understand your proverb, these are the streets the only proverb here is glock 9.

i have passion for black people and i love black people you talk this stuff

and it ain't real case and point

me and you are walking down the street 3 people try to rob and stab us

what do you want my reaction to be to help protect you

1. you want me to get emotional about protecting you

2. you want me to show aggression in protecting you

3. you want me to be passionate about protecting you

4. you want me to be a powder puff and run and leave you there by yourself


and i'm a lion and i am direct, it's funny, this is double talk

you want me to be direct like a lion, but if i am it's pure emotion lol

like me a asked you question how many times have you been shot at?

stabbed, had guns pulled on you by police and beat with the gun butt?

speaking softly and carrying a big stick is a sign of aggression or no?

what is the BIG STICK for, what will you use it for?, when will you use it?

peace

Don't get twisted hon, I'm not a Christian either. I was raised a Muslim, went to catholic school, but I am 100% YORUBA.

we read you loud and clear

if you feel discourse and learning is ganging up on people then that's your powder puff mentality

case and point

a seed is buried in the dirt, but in order to blossom the seed must PUSH dirt out of the way to grow, if the seed NEVER had the will to push the dirt aside
how could it ever grow?

the way you word it is the seed would be disrespecting the dirt because it has to "push it aside" to grow lol

it's called growing pains sometimes there could be discomfort but in the end WAH LAH!

i don't even expect you to feel me but i know somebody out there does

peace sista it's all love

i don't have to understand your proverb, these are the streets the only proverb here is glock 9.

me and you are walking down the street 3 people try to rob and stab us

what do you want my reaction to be to help protect you

1. you want me to get emotional about protecting you

2. you want me to show aggression in protecting you

3. you want me to be passionate about protecting you

4. you want me to be a powder puff and run and leave you there by yourself

Well, Da street soja' ahem..I mean Da street rebel, a scenario like this would never happen to me in 'powder puff land' (FAYAH BURN! the suggestion you've just placed in the universe) as we are taught by the 'powder puff' priest/priestess, to not dwell in defeatism and negativity because like attracts like.
a seed is buried in the dirt, but in order to blossom the seed must PUSH dirt out of the way to grow, if the seed NEVER had the will to push the dirt aside
how could it ever grow?

so who are channeling here; Buddha? Confucius? or Tupac?.

while the seed is being push out by the earth, if the seed is not nourished and protected by the soil, rain, and sun, it will shrivel up and die.... another insight from powder puff land (wink).

Of course bro clyde, I will do it with the upmost respect...I'm well thank you, you know I will be a rebel till the day i die!.





Yes you are my Scorpio sister friend, lol, and I knew that I could depend upon you to correct me, if I am wrong...Peace In Amnatt77.

Well, Da street soja' ahem..I mean Da street rebel, a scenario like this would never happen to me in 'powder puff land' (FAYAH BURN! the suggestion you've just placed in the universe) as we are taught by the 'powder puff' priest/priestess, to not dwell in defeatism and negativity because like attracts like.


so who are channeling here; Buddha? Confucius? or Tupac?.

while the seed is being push out by the earth, if the seed is not nourished and protected by the soil, rain, and sun, it will shrivel up and die.... another insight from powder puff land (wink).

right my "scenario" never happen to YOU in PP LAND, but it happens here
i was just using an example, i'm not here to prove anything to you
because you don't know what getting shot or shot at is like on a regular basis

how am i dwelling in defeatism if i'm being shot at? the hood is negative in certain terms and positive in others, people still live here so this priest fell good until they are either shot or killed i didn't bring that neither did the priests but it happens there are people out there who want to do harm to people and that's a given fact because we wouldn't be here now it that wasn't the case.

who i'm a channeling? Tupac? that was suppossed to be a joke? :?:
i was channeling something you obviously deny the universal power

tupac was brilliant and a product of the environment while i wasn't crazy
about everything him but he was a brilliant man like most of us are like malcolm, marcus, and martin

while the seed is being push out by the earth, if the seed is not nourished and protected by the soil, rain, and sun, it will shrivel up and die.... another insight from powder puff land (wink)

insight? yes of course that's the END RESULT, i was making reference to the
BEGINNING RESULT, which is the seed must PUSH THE EARTH ASIDE to even get that light (of course you need good soil and rain but that's not my point)
the seed in order to grow it must make way and the way is not always
pain free is my point, if the seed at the first sight of pain refused to grow
what would happen? if women said hey i don't want any labor pains or childbirth pains we would not be here.

so again i speak of passion, the passion to live, if you've never had your life on the line then that's ok but don't undermine my existence in this streets
where i had see death FIRST HAND people shot in the head and this is no movie, so early on i was taugh lay down and die, or stand up and live

so if you see that as ego, or emotion, and/or aggression then i can't help there because apparently you think people dying is a game it's not for me

overstand i'm not the enemy always remember that

:hi:

Putting this out there before mercury goes retro.....

Questions for the 'enlightened' folks on destee.com.

What part of true spirituality teaches to behave in an aggressive, disrespectful, (without provocation) egotistical manner,and to engage in condescending/patronizing speech when teaching your 'unenlightened brothers and sisters' the error of following 'the white man's religion'?. Even a cruddy old white man; the American president, Theodore Roosevelt: a person who according to doctrine of the 'enlightened' ones, would be classified as a 'devil', or a person lacking in 'spiritual knowledge', but who somehow managed squeezed the last vestige of wisdom and universal truth, out of his calcified pineal gland said: 'walk softly but carry a big stick' a play on the west African proverb “Speak softly and carry a big stck''


'No knife is so sharp that it is able to carve its own hilt.' (Yoruba proverb)


'' we trip over our own ego time and time again' (brother sekhemu)


Some who follow the Abramhamic religions do have a tendency to make blanket statments and ignorant comments about African religion, or any other spiritual following outside their teachings, but doesn't the burden fall upon dose who claim to understand true African culture, spirituality, religion..etc...to rise above the same behavior?.

VERY WELL SAID! So many can draw a lesson from this! Thank you for it!

like attracts like
not in my world it don't.....

we select texts surrounding a particular belief system, and study them

Does not "Study" indicates QUESTIONS will be asked.....beliefs, thoughts, theories DISSECTED and put under the microscope so to speak:?:

It seems to me that when we STOP ASKING AND ENTERTAINING QUESTIONS...we are no longer "studying" ..just sharing BELIEFS.....

based on what we have come to KNOW thus far


M.E.
:hearts2:

Dear CherryBlossom:

I have a question. What is it that you do or dont do that is reason for calling yourself a Christian? What makes you a Christian? Or is it really that big of a deal to you. Were you just raised that way? For instance how you respond if someone said you followed another religion or was a African Spiritualists by mistake. Would you quickly correct them?
Part of my reason for asking is that Christians take credit among themselves or have done in the past for alot of humane things such as politeness and good manners that can be said for any religion that the average man practices. This country shows alot of bad light on the others but if you go to the native country of where those religions are practiced and the feeling is different. They have some good and bad behavior among them just like Christians.

Dear CherryBlossom:

I have a question. What is it that you do or dont do that is reason for calling yourself a Christian? What makes you a Christian?

:hi:

There is a thread in the Christianity sub-forum called "What Is A Christian."

:hi:Are you saying that you practice everything the Christians are supposed to do and those things are said in that forum?

:hi:Are you saying that you practice everything the Christians are supposed to do and those things are said in that forum?


I directed you to that thread to also not continue off topic with this one.

Why didn't you post this in that thread?

Why keep discussing Christianity in here?