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"This is probably one of the most dangerous things facing mankind today: A use and training of intelligence excluding moral sensitivity."

Kenneth B. Clark (1914–2005)
Educational Psychologist
PhD 1940
LLD 1970 (hon.)

Mamie Phipps Clark (1917–83)
Educational Psychologist
PhD 1943

The research of Kenneth and Mamie Phipps Clark challenged the notion of differences in the mental abilities of black and white children and so played an important role in the desegregation of American schools. In 1946, the Clarks founded the Northside Center for Child Development in Harlem, where they conducted experiments on racial biases in education. Their findings were presented at school desegregation trials in Virginia, South Carolina, and Delaware. In 1954, in a famous footnote, those findings were cited in Brown v. Board of Education of Topeka, Kan., the landmark Supreme Court decision that ruled public-school segregation unconstitutional.


Kenneth Clark was the first African American to earn a doctorate in psychology at Columbia, to hold a permanent professorship at the City College of New York, to join the New York State Board of Regents and to serve as president of the American Psychological Association. In addition to his work as a psychologist and educator, he assisted corporations with racial policies and minority hiring programs. His books include Prejudice and Your Child (1955), Dark Ghetto (1965), A Possible Reality (1972), and Pathos of Power (1975). During Columbia's student protests in 1968, Clark, whose son Hilton (Columbia College 1968) was a leader of the Society of Afro-American Students, served as mediator between the black student protesters in Hamilton Hall and the administration.

Mamie Phipps began studying self-perception in black children as a graduate student at Howard University, where she met and married Kenneth Clark. Between 1939 and 1940, the two published three major articles on this subject. Phipps Clark continued her work at Columbia where, in 1943, she became the first African-American woman and the second African American (after her husband) in the University's history to receive a psychology doctorate. It was her work on the way black children seemed to prefer white dolls to black ones that particularly impressed the Supreme Court justices. In 1966, Columbia recognized the couple's work by awarding each the Nicholas Murray Butler Silver Medal.

http://www.c250.columbia.edu/c250_celebrates/remarkable_columbians/kenneth_mamie_clark.html


In 2006 filmmaker Kiri Davis recreated the doll study and documented it in a film entitled A Girl Like Me. Despite the many changes in some parts of society, she found the same results as did the Drs. Clark in their study of the late 1930s and early 1940s.

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this is such a shame it was sad to see

one of the reasons why i don't really feel psychology (i've had courses in it)
is because of its' relativity and it's lack of true help

meaning if you put a pack of wild days in a cage and don't feed them
for 4 days and then you throw a piece of meat in and you sit back and
"watch" the psychology of that

and psychology is a more recent phenomena created in last 100 years or so
as we presently know psychology to be this is not the "psychology" of
ancient egypt this present day psychology is a con-struck of the eurotrix

and it's a sit back and watch phenomena with no true support that
reverses the platform that allows most of the psych stuff

i doubt ancient egypt had many psych wards and rehab centers

but this test i do like it shows the extent of the conditioning
but like all "tests" do it really destroy the platform that allows the "conditioning"

this is such a shame it was sad to see

one of the reasons why i don't really feel psychology (i've had courses in it)
is because of its' relativity and it's lack of true help

meaning if you put a pack of wild days in a cage and don't feed them
for 4 days and then you throw a piece of meat in and you sit back and
"watch" the psychology of that

and psychology is a more recent phenomena created in last 100 years or so
as we presently know psychology to be this is not the "psychology" of
ancient egypt this present day psychology is a con-struck of the eurotrix

and it's a sit back and watch phenomena with no true support that
reverses the platform that allows most of the psych stuff

i doubt ancient egypt had many psych wards and rehab centers

but this test i do like it shows the extent of the conditioning
but like all "tests" do it really destroy the platform that allows the "conditioning"psychologist are IDIOTS[I DIDN'T STUDDER]my wife and i took our oldest daughter to one and one of the test was to have her draw a picture so the picture was drawn and she colored one of the clouds[black]now our esteemed psychologist said that the[black]clouds were a sign of unhappiness and depression,so my wife asked our daughter why she colored the cloud[black]and her answer....because i wanted to,well our esteemed phd's couldn't believe that a child would actually color a cloud black and had no explanation so we never bothered with that nonsense again..oh and the little girl who they tested is a well adjusted adult today..no thanks to those QUACKS..there are many poor souls in hospitals today because of the unreliable diagnosis of some phychologist....you can have em.

psychologist are IDIOTS[I DIDN'T STUDDER]my wife and i took our oldest daughter to one and one of the test was to have her draw a picture so the picture was drawn and she colored one of the clouds[black]now our esteemed psychologist said that the[black]clouds were a sign of unhappiness and depression,so my wife asked our daughter why she colored the cloud[black]and her answer....because i wanted to,well our esteemed phd's couldn't believe that a child would actually color a cloud black and had no explanation so we never bothered with that nonsense again..oh and the little girl who they tested is a well adjusted adult today..no thanks to those QUACKS..there are many poor souls in hospitals today because of the unreliable diagnosis of some phychologist....you can have em.


Well, tell us how you really feel, Oldiesman! lol

Just don't belive in it ...

Well, Rich, whether you believe in psychology or not doesn't change the results of this doll test in the 1950s and again in the 2000s when Black children preferred White dolls over Black ones.

Now, theories may differ as to why they did but it is still a sad commentary on how our children still view themselves 50 years after this study was done the 1st time.

true dat......

Well, Rich, whether you believe in psychology or not doesn't change the results of this doll test in the 1950s and again in the 2000s when Black children preferred White dolls over Black ones.

Now, theories may differ as to why they did but it is still a sad commentary on how our children still view themselves 50 years after this study was done the 1st time.cherryblossom my beautiful sister,let me rap to you for a minute if i may,i understand your frustration,but we're talking about-C-H-I-L-D-R-E-N here i'm assuming 4-5-6 yrs old we need to let children be children this world is a hard place and yes they will learn lessons along the way and yes we as parents,family members will teach them but please don't assume that they are doomed because they choose a white doll over a black one,you see sister sometimes we get too emotional about what our kids-act like-dress..example-there are parents and it's certainly their perogative who dress their infants and toddlers in the adult styles[nike-avirex]now it's cute ok,but what happens when the child is 10 and the parent is struggling to make ends meet so no more nikes,ect?well hey the child is used to wearing these things and he-she is not gonna want anything less no matter what momma-daddy says,you see where i'm going here,let's not be so hasty to push adult ideas on children....do you remember as a child watching[cowboys-indians]on tv...WHO DID YOU ROOT FOR???

:hi: Oldiesman!


Please receive my statements in the spirit of discussion and not attack...

Now, you've already spoken of a bad experience and your disdain for the field of psychology; but, perhaps, your feelings about it are affecting/contributing to your view on this.

Let's take away the “label” of psychology, i.e., restricted to the “mind” and, instead, look at this holistically...

So, if a study done in the 1950s showed that Black children preferred White dolls over dolls which looked like them and attributed “good” qualities to the White dolls and “bad” qualities to Black dolls; and then, 50 years later, another study showed the same results, what does that say about the self-image Black children have about themselves, in your opinion?

In your opinion, how does that self-image tie in culturally, socially, emotionally, and economically with Black children?

Yes, these children were young, but those small children grow up into teens and adults with that same self-image/mindset that “White is Right” and “Black is Wack;” and if they have no one (parents or other family) in their lives to combat this low self-esteem, it is perpetuated from generation to generation.


PLEASE WATCH THIS VIDEO:

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:hi: Oldiesman!


Please receive my statements in the spirit of discussion and not attack...

Now, you've already spoken of a bad experience and your disdain for the field of psychology; but, perhaps, your feelings about it are affecting/contributing to your view on this.

Let's take away the “label” of psychology, i.e., restricted to the “mind” and, instead, look at this holistically...

So, if a study done in the 1950s showed that Black children preferred White dolls over dolls which looked like them and attributed “good” qualities to the White dolls and “bad” qualities to Black dolls; and then, 50 years later, another study showed the same results, what does that say about the self-image Black children have about themselves, in your opinion?

In your opinion, how does that self-image tie in culturally, socially, emotionally, and economically with Black children?

Yes, these children were young, but those small children grow up into teens and adults with that same self-image/mindset that “White is Right” and “Black is Wack;” and if they have no one (parents or other family) in their lives to combat this low self-esteem, it is perpetuated from generation to generation.


PLEASE WATCH THIS VIDEO:

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hi cherryblossom,i understand your concern and your view is very well taken and at no time did i see it as an attack,this is good discussion[smile]the reason i typed in bold at the end was to make a point and yes our children do need that guildance that many still don't have.

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hi cherryblossom,i understand your concern and your view is very well taken and at no time did i see it as an attack,this is good discussion[smile]the reason i typed in bold at the end was to make a point and yes our children do need that guildance that many still don't have.


So, what kinds of connections do you think exist between these two studies?

[quote=cherryblossom;582721] Oldiesman!

[quote]
Please receive my statements in the spirit of discussion and not attack...

Now, you've already spoken of a bad experience and your disdain for the field of psychology; but, perhaps, your feelings about it are affecting/contributing to your view on this.

Let's take away the “label” of psychology, i.e., restricted to the “mind” and, instead, look at this holistically...

So, if a study done in the 1950s showed that Black children preferred White dolls over dolls which looked like them and attributed “good” qualities to the White dolls and “bad” qualities to Black dolls; and then, 50 years later, another study showed the same results, what does that say about the self-image Black children have about themselves, in your opinion?

In your opinion, how does that self-image tie in culturally, socially, emotionally, and economically with Black children?

Yes, these children were young, but those small children grow up into teens and adults with that same self-image/mindset that “White is Right” and “Black is Wack;” and if they have no one (parents or other family) in their lives to combat this low self-esteem, it is perpetuated from generation to generation.


I'm sorry Sis but I'm having a problem here with your post and maybe the tone of your perception involving it. In other words, what part of the "African American Experiment Test" is this? Here you have this nice video of a young Black child who "from birth has had her mind imposed upon by the images, cartoons, newspapers, religious images, toys, comic books, television and everything else of a "white world". Mind you, all of the things I mentioned were imposed upon her young mind before she even knew what the meaning of words were...and then people act so confused about her choice? That was back then....what in the world has changed now?...except the fact that they have developed the science of Global White Supremacy to a science? Are you real?..and no, I'm not attacking just asking a question I have to ask. I have to ask this because I have met many black people here who have in many degrees been isolated from black reality in many respects. Some simply lived in inter-racial communities...some attended predominately all white schools...some had bi-racial parents and simply were exposed to that surrounding...and I just have to ask because you sort of ain't hitting me right somewhere.

You even mentioned that these children are young but that they grow into teens and blah blah blah. Well research this. "Psychologist have determined that a child learns more between birth and 7 years of age than they do for the rest of their lives." The Pope said; "Give me your child between birth and 7 and you can have them back". Now what does this all mean to you? To me it means that "if we aren't getting them between birth and 7 years of age then we ain't got them". The nature of what we are up against is a war, a 360 degree war. A war that's been going on for well over 2500 years at that! We can play coy, dumb or anything else we want to right now....but sooner or later reality will smack us all in our face...and as I said before; "Until we all reach an agreement that white people have historically been and continue to be our enemies, we will never get it together. Dr. John H. Clarke best said it when he said that: "White people declare war on our culture, our history, our concepts of god, our languages and our very lives". So at best I'm thinking that you are either young or very naive...or maybe it's something else, I don't know

So, what kinds of connections do you think exist between these two studies?ok sis,the only other example is this,what about the child who from the crib has been taught that[black is beautiful]whose parent are all africa and beware of the whiteman,ect.ok she grows up and marries a white man,the doll test is useless is the best way i can put it.

ok sis,the only other example is this,what about the child who from the crib has been taught that[black is beautiful]whose parent are all africa and beware of the whiteman,ect.ok she grows up and marries a white man,the doll test is useless is the best way i can put it.


In my opinion such an example is not the norm but more of an exception.

I'm not talking about rigid, cut-and-dried explanations. I'm just asking you if you see any connection between these study results and how that relates to what we see in our Black children today, Black adults today and even Africans today who bleach their skin to be lighter?

In my opinion such an example is not the norm but more of an exception.

I'm not talking about rigid, cut-and-dried explanations. I'm just asking you if you see any connection between these study results and how that relates to what we see in our Black children today, Black adults today and even Africans today who bleach their skin to be lighter?oh ok i see,then my answer is-no,because as i said we're dealing with small children and it doesn't matter wheither they live in the hood or a mansion because a small child is gonna choose what they like,they don't know or understand anything about race this or that even if you tried to explain it to them my sister this is what i'm saying.

[quote=cherryblossom;582721] Oldiesman!

[quote]
Please receive my statements in the spirit of discussion and not attack...

Now, you've already spoken of a bad experience and your disdain for the field of psychology; but, perhaps, your feelings about it are affecting/contributing to your view on this.

Let's take away the “label” of psychology, i.e., restricted to the “mind” and, instead, look at this holistically...

So, if a study done in the 1950s showed that Black children preferred White dolls over dolls which looked like them and attributed “good” qualities to the White dolls and “bad” qualities to Black dolls; and then, 50 years later, another study showed the same results, what does that say about the self-image Black children have about themselves, in your opinion?

In your opinion, how does that self-image tie in culturally, socially, emotionally, and economically with Black children?

Yes, these children were young, but those small children grow up into teens and adults with that same self-image/mindset that “White is Right” and “Black is Wack;” and if they have no one (parents or other family) in their lives to combat this low self-esteem, it is perpetuated from generation to generation.


I'm sorry Sis but I'm having a problem here with your post and maybe the tone of your perception involving it.

..and I just have to ask because you sort of ain't hitting me right somewhere.

Well, Keita, I don't know why I'm not "hitting you right," but I said that I view these studies more "holistically" than "psychologically," meaning that I'm looking at the bigger picture which contributes to these children and many adults having a negative self-image in being Black.

So, I'm really trying to see where your problem with my "perception" is.

No, the results of these studies shouldn't shock or surprise any of us,b ut they should make us take notice and prompt us to correct it.

So at best I'm thinking that you are either young or very naive...or maybe it's something else, I don't know

LOL!

No, I assure you that I am neither naive nor young.

I am a product of a single parent household, formative years spent in the Projects, low-income, inner-city, "latch-key kid," and any other label society puts on urban Blacks.

I have seen and addressed the very "effects" of this self-image in my own environments then and now as well as in Black children in my profession for many years.

I am in my 40s, not some youngun with "rose-colored glasses" on.

So, my "perception" is what it is because I've either seen it or done it.

I thank you for your clarity concerning my question. I understand now.

Peace Out

I thank you for your clarity concerning my question. I understand now.

Peace Out

Yes, I, too, have a better understanding now as well.

No one knows it all. But when it comes to seeing and understanding, like the old ones say, "Just keep living."

Well, being receptive also helps...for I too was raised as a Christian and as quiet as it's kept, Religion as structured by white people will be the last vestige we break before we get it all together. May your journey be a soft one at best....particularly when you reach the concept that the "original concept of the Creator was of a Woman and not the Man you now have upstairs!"