http://www.neoconnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/02/baracksocialismeyes1.jpg

If we had to provide a better understanding of what "socialism" is like for most Africans in the world, we could say "ujamaa" cooperative economics. Those who practice the tradition of Kwanzaa are already familiar with that term. Euro-centered "ujamaa" however is much different. The "common ownership" that most Socialist Governments refer too, would appear against "individualism" something that most Americans have grown accustomed.

Some scholars would argue that Africa has always been Socialist. In a Socialist Government, your business would not be yours alone to have, but belonging to the overall nation or Government. Socialism can also be used as a way to negatively redistribute wealth to certain parties and members in higher Government.

The real problem in most of these systems is Government itself. Government still has the power to control and regulate the economic flow as they see fit.
The issue with preaching Egalitarianism in this day and age is based on our corrupt politicians to begin with. Thus Socialism in America will not come about by choice. It will be by the slight of hand. Those in America will not be asked to choose it. It is very possible the installation of Socialism has already begun.

But what does that really mean for Blacks In America?

The Euro practice of Socialism, most likely will be just as disgusting as it's practice of Capitalism. It will not appear as an extension of a Fascist arm, especially not with Obama as it's face. Whites would be more cautious about Socialist Ideals because if individualism dies in America, the reality of America's need for diversity will sink in.

Racist Whites will then be forced to work for and work as a collective unit with other Americans, those many they would never allow to sit at their tables to eat to being with. But isn't it that way anyway? But Capitalism seems to provide a healthy illusion for them, that as individuals and independents we are fully response for how our lives are going. Since the birth of Man, this has never been the case.

Socialism without Government is workable. Because the true Government is your immediate group, community, tribe or family. And if we did live within communities that could identify themselves as one and secure themselves as one, Socialism and even "ujamaa" in America would be more successful.

Humankind's failures have usually been formed around trust. And because Humankind is not educated on how to build trust, we are taken advantaged of by the building of Governments that "police" Human activity. This is obviously where Humankind will have to meet it's ultimate demise. True Socialism would not work without trust.

Egalitarianism would seem alien to us now, even though it is the most common form of economics on native Earth practiced by the insect and animal kingdoms. There are no individuals ants that decide to pull leaves across the field for their own selfish agendas. Of course Humans appear to be more complex than ants. It does make sense however, that we would commit ourselves to any system that works for our people.

If America is becoming Socialist, what does that mean for you?

well if small communities can pull off socialism or communism, then why not larger more complex societies. if the living standard was quite high i don't know what i would feel..

i don't think Obama is all that socialist though, he is very tame, if anything he is a extremely domestically centered protectionist but he does have some socialist leanings. many European countries and Canada have socialist tendencies but a pure socialist country hasn't existed in quite some time, so I have nothing to go on. i mean you are coming from the idea that government is bad no matter what so no ideology will really work...

no system is perfect far as I have seen, but Cuba is a country I have so much respect for, the only Cubans sailing over to the US were mostly white Cubans...
I love Cuba they are not socialist but they are somewhat close, the only problem I have is that if classicism is to end then the leadership of the nations shouldn't be eating better than the citizens either...if we are taking about what a socialist country should be like.

facism
capitalism
socialism
communism

are ALL run by the banking system

when are people going to wake Up

these are all "isms" that just cover how your money is printed and spent

everybody thought communism was bad maybe for greedy white people
but the bank WAS and STILL is making the money.

People are under the impression that they "work" for a living

if you "worked" for a living then you would have some control right

this is psuedo-control baby, ultimately and sadly we are all in essence

employees (slaves) to/for the banking system. (if you don't believe how is it possible for people to go hungry or homeless)

listen MOST truth is VERY VERY BLAND in this arena, it made to be that

way so you don't de-program yourself by accident lol

if you're not scary, and want to REALLY understand i dare you to watch

this movie. REMEMBER the truth is NOT on a digital video screen in Times

Square. Those who love the "matrix" won't watch this, those who know and

feel something's just not right will watch

the choice is yours

the RED pill or the BLUE pill

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7065205277695921912&ei=EjuESbCnLo6cqALeg734Cg&q=zeitgeist+addendum

http://www.neoconnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/02/baracksocialismeyes1.jpg

If we had to provide a better understanding of what "socialism" is like for most Africans in the world, we could say "ujamaa" cooperative economics. Those who practice the tradition of Kwanzaa are already familiar with that term. Euro-centered "ujamaa" however is much different. The "common ownership" that most Socialist Governments refer too, would appear against "individualism" something that most Americans have grown accustomed.

Some scholars would argue that Africa has always been Socialist. In a Socialist Government, your business would not be yours alone to have, but belonging to the overall nation or Government. Socialism can also be used as a way to negatively redistribute wealth to certain parties and members in higher Government.

The real problem in most of these systems is Government itself. Government still has the power to control and regulate the economic flow as they see fit.
The issue with preaching Egalitarianism in this day and age is based on our corrupt politicians to begin with. Thus Socialism in America will not come about by choice. It will be by the slight of hand. Those in America will not be asked to choose it. It is very possible the installation of Socialism has already begun.

But what does that really mean for Blacks In America?

The Euro practice of Socialism, most likely will be just as disgusting as it's practice of Capitalism. It will not appear as an extension of a Fascist arm, especially not with Obama as it's face. Whites would be more cautious about Socialist Ideals because if individualism dies in America, the reality of America's need for diversity will sink in.

Racist Whites will then be forced to work for and work as a collective unit with other Americans, those many they would never allow to sit at their tables to eat to being with. But isn't it that way anyway? But Capitalism seems to provide a healthy illusion for them, that as individuals and independents we are fully response for how our lives are going. Since the birth of Man, this has never been the case.

Socialism without Government is workable. Because the true Government is your immediate group, community, tribe or family. And if we did live within communities that could identify themselves as one and secure themselves as one, Socialism and even "ujamaa" in America would be more successful.

Humankind's failures have usually been formed around trust. And because Humankind is not educated on how to build trust, we are taken advantaged of by the building of Governments that "police" Human activity. This is obviously where Humankind will have to meet it's ultimate demise. True Socialism would not work without trust.

Egalitarianism would seem alien to us now, even though it is the most common form of economics on native Earth practiced by the insect and animal kingdoms. There are no individuals ants that decide to pull leaves across the field for their own selfish agendas. Of course Humans appear to be more complex than ants. It does make sense however, that we would commit ourselves to any system that works for our people.

If America is becoming Socialist, what does that mean for you?

If America is becoming Socialist, what does that mean for you?

Great points Meta

Socialism is a parallel to Capitalism free enterprise ( a scheme, project or undertaking )

The former socialism means sharing what is collected like taxes with all those who contributed.

We know that isn’t the present case. Because money, services like proper policing, public services and community building and things as simple as providing adequate street lighting, water, electricity, disaster relief ( Katrina ) doesn’t run down hill. To the Black community like it suppose to.

Collective isn’t part of the scheme in place for African Americans, from jump street the plan was to minimize us into non-existence. The Negroe is to be mimimized, and a new working group was put into place. the Chinese, The Indians from India and now the Mexicans from Mexico.

My mother cleaned and many of other's grand mothers and parents cleaned hotels, waited on tables, cooked and cleaned homes and kept the other mans children. Only to provide for their own. Many Black Men built the nation, the Capital and the roads all the way into Alaska. During the second World war.. The Black soldiers did all the driving and running of supplies that was critical. Again winning another WAR for America. The Tuskegee Airman won the air war and the foot soldiers the ground. Then they came back home to discrimination, indifference and hate.

Helpful and obliging they are not.

Kind, considerate may be a glimpse can be seen. But over all welfare of our being is to be denied to us by capitalist who control and we vote into power. Capitalist are to control capital. Money. They do that, and flavor it with corruption built well into the define to be sure the program is inadequate.

Mutual, benefit no way for America’s Black citizens, public welfare. Is painted to be shameful and something not to depend on. PULL YOURSELF UP BY THE BOOTS… but the Negroe has no boots. They didn’t give us non. GLORY is a true to life depiction of how the war was betrayed. There is always a person placed in charge. In that case he demanded shoes, guns and proper clothing so the men could live thru the winter of the battles. The Civil war we won and made possible to win by fighting and being given a chance to fight for the freedom we deserved and desired.

So if anyone currently feels they battle… it has never stopped. It must continue until that day when as Martin said.

All Men are created ( by the same GOD ) and must be treated Equal.

I can recall many nights walking down Dark Streets into shadows not sure what if any thing sinister was in the next shadow. Cooperative endeavor we must demand. I think Barack will usher in some change in this mix. I have one eye on him and one eye for him. Ready as a soldier in this fight. Let a war break out. I will volunteer. I will carry food and water, for those who need. I will dig the trenches but I will help. I want to do some shooting too.

I imagine myself in a round room with many doors. Each holding an opportunity for escape, prosperity, fairness or doom. If one cracks, I kick it open. I take a look inside. If it has some potential I venture in. I leave it open so anyone coming later, or with me finds what they see inside and claims it. If I open a door that cracks, and I look in and see nothing but darkness. I close it. For I will not enter into total uncertainty and doom. I shut that door and hope those coming after me see that that door is not the one to venture thru. In our sharing here on the forum we show each other open doors, and opportunity when possible. We leave a post, or note so the reader knows. To venture here can be hazardous to health. Hopefully the note isn’t deleted, ignored, is heeded and paid attention to and doesn’t fall off the door. DO NOT ENTER IT READS!

facism
capitalism
socialism
communism

are ALL run by the banking system

when are people going to wake Up

these are all "isms" that just cover how your money is printed and spent

everybody thought communism was bad maybe for greedy white people
but the bank WAS and STILL is making the money.

People are under the impression that they "work" for a living

if you "worked" for a living then you would have some control right

this is psuedo-control baby, ultimately and sadly we are all in essence

employees (slaves) to/for the banking system. (if you don't believe how is it possible for people to go hungry or homeless)

listen MOST truth is VERY VERY BLAND in this arena, it made to be that

way so you don't de-program yourself by accident lol

if you're not scary, and want to REALLY understand i dare you to watch

this movie. REMEMBER the truth is NOT on a digital video screen in Times

Square. Those who love the "matrix" won't watch this, those who know and

feel something's just not right will watch

the choice is yours

the RED pill or the BLUE pill

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7065205277695921912&ei=EjuESbCnLo6cqALeg734Cg&q=zeitgeist+addendum

Ahhhh.. the "isms":bowdown:

But over all welfare of our being is to be denied to us by capitalist who control and we vote into power. Capitalist are to control capital. Money.

exactly once you control that, laws are IRREVELANT

people see capitalists as progress when in truth they're holding us back

because their basis is control and power, if progress tickles in, so be it

and that progress is ultimately OBEDIENCE

few can really see thru to the core because it's so well camouflaged

then i realized it's "NOT CAMOUFLAGED" at all

we are being spiritually raped right out in the open

So'Ja

The video is so TRUE.. and they punished Andrew Jackson after he tried to shut them down, by placing his picture on the ( $20 ) money. As a mockery to his effort.

This info is off the HOOK... Thanks

facism
capitalism
socialism
communism

are ALL run by the banking system

when are people going to wake Up

these are all "isms" that just cover how your money is printed and spent

everybody thought communism was bad maybe for greedy white people
but the bank WAS and STILL is making the money.

People are under the impression that they "work" for a living

if you "worked" for a living then you would have some control right

this is psuedo-control baby, ultimately and sadly we are all in essence

employees (slaves) to/for the banking system. (if you don't believe how is it possible for people to go hungry or homeless)

listen MOST truth is VERY VERY BLAND in this arena, it made to be that

way so you don't de-program yourself by accident lol

if you're not scary, and want to REALLY understand i dare you to watch

this movie. REMEMBER the truth is NOT on a digital video screen in Times

Square. Those who love the "matrix" won't watch this, those who know and

feel something's just not right will watch

the choice is yours

the RED pill or the BLUE pill

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7065205277695921912&ei=EjuESbCnLo6cqALeg734Cg&q=zeitgeist+addendum
I've been trying to get folks to watch that video for about a month now. Maybe we should push it in bros. chat.

facism
capitalism
socialism
communism

are ALL run by the banking system

when are people going to wake Up

these are all "isms" that just cover how your money is printed and spent

everybody thought communism was bad maybe for greedy white people
but the bank WAS and STILL is making the money.

People are under the impression that they "work" for a living

if you "worked" for a living then you would have some control right

this is psuedo-control baby, ultimately and sadly we are all in essence

employees (slaves) to/for the banking system. (if you don't believe how is it possible for people to go hungry or homeless)

listen MOST truth is VERY VERY BLAND in this arena, it made to be that

way so you don't de-program yourself by accident lol

if you're not scary, and want to REALLY understand i dare you to watch

this movie. REMEMBER the truth is NOT on a digital video screen in Times

Square. Those who love the "matrix" won't watch this, those who know and

feel something's just not right will watch

the choice is yours

the RED pill or the BLUE pill

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7065205277695921912&ei=EjuESbCnLo6cqALeg734Cg&q=zeitgeist+addendum

very true street the bottom line is we all have to share no matte what the title of the action is. respect for all life eating,living and loving is important.
however there is a being on this planet that has a necessity to be better than every one else. But there is this very toxic chemical called competition and those that must better than everybody else by having and consuming themselves(matter) they will never understand this. In reality we do not have to "work" at all there is enough to food to feed everybody and have a lot left.
because the amen has prepared our mother to sustain all of its children. Now this monetary illusion is the saddest one of all. Telling people that they cannot have food because of this b.s called money while the supper market is full of food that is spoiling because they next level of the mind screw is in place. Pimpin is the art of having u do something i need u to do however i make it yo idea. WE have been getting pimped from the time the towers went down to the election of mr obama out of the necessity to change something?
They pimped us into supporting the defense bill. They pimped us into invading iraq and afganistan. They pimped us into electing our new president. They are now pimping us to go deeper and deeper into illusionary slavery with the fed bank insuring our childrens children will have to work and pay something back they never received in the first place.

very true street the bottom line is we all have to share no matte what the title of the action is. respect for all life eating,living and loving is important.
however there is a being on this planet that has a necessity to be better than every one else. But there is this very toxic chemical called competition and those that must better than everybody else by having and consuming themselves(matter) they will never understand this. In reality we do not have to "work" at all there is enough to food to feed everybody and have a lot left.
because the amen has prepared our mother to sustain all of its children. Now this monetary illusion is the saddest one of all. Telling people that they cannot have food because of this b.s called money while the supper market is full of food that is spoiling because they next level of the mind screw is in place. Pimpin is the art of having u do something i need u to do however i make it yo idea. WE have been getting pimped from the time the towers went down to the election of mr obama out of the necessity to change something?
They pimped us into supporting the defense bill. They pimped us into invading iraq and afganistan. They pimped us into electing our new president. They are now pimping us to go deeper and deeper into illusionary slavery with the fed bank insuring our childrens children will have to work and pay something back they never received in the first place.

your statement is well presented and well accepted

no reason for people starving and living in "poverty"

it's such foolishness it boggles the mind

So'Ja

The video is so TRUE.. and they punished Andrew Jackson after he tried to shut them down, by placing his picture on the ( $20 ) money. As a mockery to his effort.

This info is off the HOOK... Thanks

thanks man

The Euro practice of Socialism, most likely will be just as disgusting as it's practice of Capitalism. It will not appear as an extension of a Fascist arm, especially not with Obama as it's face. Whites would be more cautious about Socialist Ideals because if individualism dies in America, the reality of America's need for diversity will sink in.


exactly

facism
capitalism
socialism
communism

are ALL run by the banking system

when are people going to wake Up

these are all "isms" that just cover how your money is printed and spent

everybody thought communism was bad maybe for greedy white people
but the bank WAS and STILL is making the money.

People are under the impression that they "work" for a living

if you "worked" for a living then you would have some control right

this is psuedo-control baby, ultimately and sadly we are all in essence

employees (slaves) to/for the banking system. (if you don't believe how is it possible for people to go hungry or homeless)

listen MOST truth is VERY VERY BLAND in this arena, it made to be that

way so you don't de-program yourself by accident lol

if you're not scary, and want to REALLY understand i dare you to watch

this movie. REMEMBER the truth is NOT on a digital video screen in Times

Square. Those who love the "matrix" won't watch this, those who know and

feel something's just not right will watch

the choice is yours

the RED pill or the BLUE pill

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7065205277695921912&ei=EjuESbCnLo6cqALeg734Cg&q=zeitgeist+addendum

communism, socialism, fascism etc. are all run by the banking system? that is not true. and the banks making money in communism, lol, maybe in China which is not a true communism...the bank system is failing right here in the US, where as Britain and other countries citizens are protected, from economic ruin. why because regulation protected the fluctuating markets not like the idiot free marker system people...

you guys are hilarious, what you suggest is never going to happen, you think you will get out of a self propagating system? the system is designed to take care of itself at all cost...the structure of power from one place in the world have always been the same, all of them, banks are just a biproduct of modern society...i am going to love life regardless of the system maybe that bothers some people but so be it. the only reason that monarchism failed is because of the constant wars and take overs by neighbouring countries. and they had a well established government as well. you think that the poor didn't exist in the ancient world? you think there was no slaves, and rape and death in the ancient world, you think that people weren't chasing the good life then? everyone was happy and chasing butterflies.

and down with all of this and everyone in the matrix is a sell out and blah blah...well you are all in the Matrix too, everyone here is going to school, buying groceries, listening to music, watching movies, getting married, working etc. and I don't think you are crying every day, you live life...so why shouldn't other people? how many people married and got a marriage license, and when they had a baby registered their kids and got them birth certificates, sent them to school, and took out student loans, and looked for scholarships, and pay try to pay their bills?

by the way the banking system, and money exchange is older than any of us...older than capitalism, older than all the isms
http://www.allworldknowledge.com/money/index.html
The first written records of the use of money date from 1200BC, in the area of land now known as Southern Algeria, although then it was covered with water. Inscriptions in stones record that 'twelve shekels' were paid into the bank account belonging to Algar Hammurabi, in return for 'use of his daughter'. Twelve shekels in today's money would buy you hundreds of prostitutes, all better looking than Hammurabi's daughter, who was by all accounts rather dull.

and not to mention..
bartering and all forms of exchange, and money are as old as civilization...a bank developed a little later were just forms of stored work, or stored exchange, stored profit from bartering...http://library.thinkquest.org/C004203/economic/economic01.htm the market exchange is just a modern interpretation of what we already had.


What is money? This initially simple question, posed to us today, will probably garner answers like, cash, credit cards, cheques, travellers' cheques, amongst others. As can be seen, money exists in various mediums, and this was also the case in ancient times. Amber, beads, cowries, drums, eggs, feathers, gongs, hoes, ivory, jade, kettles, leather, mats, nails, oxen, pigs, quartz, rice, salt, thimbles, umiacs, vodka, wampum, yarns, and zappozats (decorated axes) were but some of the kinds of goods used as money.

Money was essentially needed in barter trade, as a payment for another's goods. The commodities chosen to be used as money were those that were either easy to store, or had some financial value attached to it. Thus, this has led to the misconception that money was invented for trade, but this is actually not the case. The word 'pay' actually comes from the Latin word 'pacare', which means to pay. Its uses in trade is but one of its functions; the primary usage of money is for payment.

Payment of goods is thus only a small part of the payments made with money. Payment also comes in many other forms. Compensation is one such usage; dowries were often paid to the bride's family, for causing them to lose their daughter's services upon marriage. Taxes was another important function, in which the ruler would demand a certain amount of a farmer's produce in exchange for settling on his land. Then, tribute to one's ruler, something akin to gifts; those goods given away were also for monetary purposes. Not forgetting religious purposes money in the form of goods were also often required for sacrifices to the god, to show one's faith.

The oldest form of money is probably livestock and plant products. Domestication of animals had begun long before civilizations began; so too had farming, and initially, cattle and grain were two very common mediums of exchange. Later, another common type of money developed-cowrie shells. These were used by the Chinese and were so successful that the Chinese pictograph for money came to be depicted by a picture of the cowrie shell. Another common form of money came in the form of metals; metal tools and metal jewellery.

say what you want...with veiled projection, I am happy, I am free, and I am not encombered with this nonsense. the Hungry I care about, the weak I care about, the sick I care about, a rebel without a cause don't care...say whatever you want about me, peace

if you are comfortable with the "matrix" fine, my message is not for you


communism, socialism, fascism etc. are all run by the banking system?yes DO YOUR RESEARCH before you shut things out PLEASE

you guys are hilarious, what you suggest is never going to happen, you think you will get out of a self propagating system? the system is designed to take care of itself at all cost. a system designed to take care of itself, but not take care of the people ALL the people AT ALL COST of course it can't happen
with people like you around, following behind mythical figures, of course it won't happen, to call us "hilarious", shows just what you are NOT VERY "JESUS" LIKE

and down with all of this and everyone in the matrix is a sell out and blah blah...well you are all in the Matrix too, everyone here is going to school, buying groceries, listening to music, watching movies, getting married, working etc. and I don't think you are crying every day, you live life...so why shouldn't other people? how many people married and got a marriage license, and when they had a baby registered their kids and got them birth certificates, sent them to school, and took out student loans, and looked for scholarships, and pay try to pay their bills?that's THE WHOLE POINT, WHY ARE WE SLAVES TO DEBT?
you make my point for me, i never said i wasn't inside the "matrix"
everything you said is in reality my argument, but you shut it down as "blah, blah, blah", while making my point for me, but you can't see it

say what you want...with veiled projection, I am happy, I am free, and I am not encombered with this nonsense. the Hungry I care about, the weak I care about, the sick I care about, a rebel without a cause don't care...say whatever you want about me, peaceit's very believable your attitude, most proclaimed thye believe in "jesus"
and lack any compassion whatsoever, this is not about "YOU" this is about the world, you keep saying you're happy, you're free BUT THE REST
of the world is not. then you go to mentioned "a rebel without a cause you don't care" is what i expected from you a person who loves "jesus", very "jesus" like there, there was no reason to attack me with your words,

this goes deeper than you and i deeper.

i have nothing against you
all you see is your "career" and i said i'm not mad at, you do what you feel you have to do, but don't shut everybody else down in the process
i mean afterall it was you who had to start a thread "about Hidden Curriculum" okay (of course i don't expect you to get the point)

so in retrospect i don't need to say ANYTHING about you
you say it all about yourself quite well


by the way the banking system, and money exchange is older than any of us...older than capitalism, older than all the ismsagain this discussion is not about the "age" of the banking system, but the "current" agenda of the banking "system"

i'm so glad you're happy that's fine for you


i could never be content as long as my african brethren suffers emotionally, physically and spirituality,
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if you are comfortable with the "matrix" fine, my message is not for you


yes DO YOUR RESEARCH before you shut things out PLEASE

a system designed to take care of itself, but not take care of the people ALL the people AT ALL COST of course it can't happen
with people like you around, following behind mythical figures, of course it won't happen, to call us "hilarious", shows just what you are NOT VERY "JESUS" LIKE

that's THE WHOLE POINT, WHY ARE WE SLAVES TO DEBT?
you make my point for me, i never said i wasn't inside the "matrix"
everything you said is in reality my argument, but you shut it down as "blah, blah, blah", while making my point for me, but you can't see it

it's very believable your attitude, most proclaimed thye believe in "jesus"
and lack any compassion whatsoever, this is not about "YOU" this is about the world, you keep saying you're happy, you're free BUT THE REST
of the world is not. then you go to mentioned "a rebel without a cause you don't care" is what i expected from you a person who loves "jesus", very "jesus" like there, there was no reason to attack me with your words,

this goes deeper than you and i deeper.

i have nothing against you
all you see is your "career" and i said i'm not mad at, you do what you feel you have to do, but don't shut everybody else down in the process
i mean afterall it was you who had to start a thread "about Hidden Curriculum" okay (of course i don't expect you to get the point)

so in retrospect i don't need to say ANYTHING about you
you say it all about yourself quite well


again this discussion is not about the "age" of the banking system, but the "current" agenda of the banking "system"

i'm so glad you're happy that's fine for you


i could never be content as long as my african brethren suffers emotionally, physically and spirituality,
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you proved what? the banking system has been alive for millenniums. the agenda of the banking system is to survive, and that is what it will do, all that bailout money was for what to survive. what are taxes for? to propogate the system, the military to propogate the system, the CIA, FBI, NSA, Homeland security, social security, even welfare keeps the system alive. so no I know what I am taking about. and what does Jesus have to do with this? lol, or do you just want to use that to discredit me...lol yet can't do it with evidence...

uh huh...everything you do within the system propagates the system, even going to prison keeps the system going so don't talk about people like me, talk about all of us, cause that is what we are all doing, we are helping to keep the "matrix" alive every single one of us. anarchists always fail, because anarchists can never escape developing a system...from the day any person said I am a leader, there has been a system.

the agenda of the banking system is to survive,

yes the agenda is to survive, NOT HELP PEOPLE SURVIVE

you talk of about the length of something as if that matters,

just because it's a "practice"

it figures

see WHAT IS YOUR PROBLEM? i'm not trying to discredit YOU, i'm spending information, of course you can't see the "evidence" you are an example of the level of programming where you can't see the pain
that's out there (IN THE WORLD), (you've be de-humanized as many have been, i was guilty of this until i ask for guidance from the most high this)

my stance from the beginning
making the world a better PLACE FOR EVERYONE, not just a chosen few

again this is not about "YOU"

from the day any person said I am a leader, there has been a system.

of course there's a "system", nature is a system, the universe is a system,

your human body is a "system",

i have a problem the way the "system" manifests itself

the system does not care for the people, you work in healthcare, when there is NO CARE in healthcare, when a doctor won't see me based on my "insurance" i have to present a "card" to be treated

what is so hard in what i'm saying

you seem like the type who will hang on to their last breath to save this

material matrix :em3000:

yes the agenda is to survive, NOT HELP PEOPLE SURVIVE

you talk of about the length of something as if that matters,

just because it's a "practice"

it figures

see WHAT IS YOUR PROBLEM? i'm not trying to discredit YOU, i'm spending information, of course you can't see the "evidence" you are an example of the level of programming where you can't see the pain
that's out there (IN THE WORLD), (you've be de-humanized as many have been, i was guilty of this until i ask for guidance from the most high this)

my stance from the beginning
making the world a better PLACE FOR EVERYONE, not just a chosen few

again this is not about "YOU"



of course there's a "system", nature is a system, the universe is a system,

your human body is a "system",

i have a problem the way the "system" manifests itself

the system does not care for the people, you work in healthcare, when there is NO CARE in healthcare, when a doctor won't see me based on my "insurance" i have to present a "card" to be treated

what is so hard in what i'm saying

you seem like the type who will hang on to their last breath to save this

material matrix :em3000:

i did not say the system was good I just said that trying to destroy the system was futile.

you think the healthcare system only sees people with health insurance? your wrong there, the healthcare system is stressed to the max, been to an emergency room lately, you think people are paying to see doctors. mexican illegal immigration alone has cost billions of dollars in health care why? because every little thing costs tons of money, a CT scan, an MRI, blood work, trauma, etc. these things cost mega dollars. a health care system that is actually given to all citizens would give you the health care you need, and prevent YOU from being leached. that way if you were ever sick you wouldn't sit in an emergency room and die while illegals are taking up your bed in the hospital. as a medical student one of the things I do is work with residents, I can't tell you how many nights I have been on call, and I am running from one floor to another in hospitals looking for a bed to put some poor old women, or some sick child, or someone, because beds are taken up...other countries with health care systems don't deal with those nightmare type situation especially in inner city hospitals.

You are paying for other people to leach the system. every pay check you get that has money subtracted from it, is money that other people are using. for example, every road, every school, attention from the teacher, everything costs money and your little tax dollars pay for it. so when you have a whole lot of penetration into a system from people who don't pay, and work in the system under the table, send their money back home and don't invest in the system are actually hurting you. that is one of the major problems right now in the US, which is why that card you hate so much would actually help you so much more in the long run. not to mention when people are willing to work under the table, it undercuts the minimum wage. Blacks for example in the last 10 years have been CUT right out of Construction Jobs, Cut out of all kinds of employment opportunities because Republicans have been letting the borders stay open to Mexico.
and yes the system is supposed to help people and it is failing, but I just gave you a major reason why the system is failing, the system is over loaded...
That is just one reason why the system is failing. the other reason why the system is failing is because of overspending of the government in other taxes through war. the other reason the system is failing is dependency on other countries for energy, the other reason why the system is failing is because of a loss of manufacturing Jobs, y'all were sold out...these coorperations that so called run this country is not true these companies are multi-nationals and they are milking both sides. cheap labor from the third world, and sell for inflated costs to us.
Same thing happening to farmers, they grow the food in the third world and here, the middle man makes all the money, and they don't respect any government, or anything. the government wishes they could get their hands on these leaching bastards, but they have manipulated the law and the courts to side with them. didn't the government try to stop microsoft? didn't they try to stop them, they can't...

these pharmaceutical companies, and their genetic manipulation of plants and all they are up to is insane...no I could talk a full 2 hours on what those bastards are up too but I can't even go their cause I am as powerless as everyone else. they don't even conduct their research here, they go to countries that have no ethical standards so they can use Humans as guinea pigs...you don't know the half. the government is not a strong as you think...

Very strong points being made here. The monetary system is indeed a major culprit. The free society that is being dreamt up by some of today's brilliant visionaries would still not fix the problems of society as whole, after all the system we create or volunteer for are in fact extensions of generations of abuse. That would be one part of social science or social psychology "Zeitgeist" has not gone into.

How does capitalism, communism, socialism etc- all the isms come into play to begin with? They don't just manifest out of tin air like how the federal banking system creates money. They are like warts, boils or pimples on the surface of the collective consciousness.

It is not survival of the fittest at that point. These systems especially in the case of Europeans are designed so the weak can survive and be preserved. They are designed so that people who would have nothing that is naturally competitive or creative to use in order to supply food and shelter for themselves to be able to cheat and deceive. Such is the case because of another types of debt called "abuse debt."

This is essentially the reason we are debt slaves now, because we have all, in some point in time or life time have contributed to this form of debt. But before we call it karma, bare witness first to the fact that this same system of debt exists within most single Parent households. Even "not doing" can be labeled abuse, if a Father is "not doing" for his child/children a form of abuse debt can accumulate, not just because of the children but the Mother as well. This "not doing" is called neglect. And as we continue to bypass our basic rights as entities in order to fulfill the dreams that do not pretain to us and our agenda, such "abuse debt" will continue to accumulate.

Now true African or indigenous societies already have a good handle on the accumulation of this style of debt. Pleasure societies do not amass abuse debts, thus there is no way for them to manifest as the "isms" that rape so-called civilized worlds.

The Caucasian, as an extension of "negroid sub-consciousness" had to become our slave Master in order for us to "see within" and beyond the material world that had in fact before he arrive become our physical Masters.
We are still learning that this world is a construct of symbols and not our being. So this is why we should ask what do these things symbolize? What does Obama symbolize for us, what does Socialism symbolize? What does Fascism symbolize?

There is no equal system among society if it is not the product of the family or community structure. If inequality exists within our family or community structure it will manifest within the overall world. The bottom line is, such systems cannot exist without fuel. Just as we provide the fuel for GWS with our actions and thoughts- the Federal Banking System can "imagine" money out of thin air, money that is not backed by anything but the need to create more. We must remember money is used to fix pain and finance pleasures within our type of social constructs. Without money as a "problem solver" the FBS would lose it's footing.

"The Old World Order"- the systems of native Earth, were also systems of creative and co-creativeness. Everyone is equal because we are all seen as creators and contributors to our society. Women are respected as creators of children, families and societal order and Men are respected as creators of shelter and domain, security and tools.

America would become Socialist, because the current system has failed. The change Obama will bring to the table might be the amero. Or it could be the change from Capitalism to Socialism. It could mean different things to different people, but in the end it doesn't mean much of a difference. At least not for us.

You decide...

akLlxxWaJZM

these pharmaceutical companiesi know pharmaceutical companies, they used to treat us to lunch regularly,
at least 30 of them, give free samples, give us pens, post it notes, and other small items that ALWAYS ADVERTISED THEIR NAMES
you don't need to go into anything i know the guinea pig episodes, people have died waiting for the stupid FDA to do something
that's why i don't that pills



you think the healthcare system only sees people with health insurance? your wrong there, the healthcare system is stressed to the max, been to an emergency room lately.. matter of fact i have

i worked in major private hospital in New York, NY for 11 years i know who i was told to turn away, people who didn't have insurance, they were sent to city hospitals, and yes it's stress to the max, so YES some sectors of the healthcare system turn people away
who don't have insurance or an insurances that a perspective doctor doesn't participate with

i don't know where you worked besides wyckoff, but if you know anything the first question you asked a patient was "what's their name" and "what kind of insurance" do they have




.you don't know the half. the government is not a strong as you think...

i don't know the half? hahahahahahhahahahaha

not only did i not mention that the government is strong, WHERE DID
I EVEN MENTION GOVERNMENT?

:insane:

i know pharmaceutical companies, they used to treat us to lunch regularly,
at least 30 of them, give free samples, give us pens, post it notes, and other small items that ALWAYS ADVERTISED THEIR NAMES
you don't need to go into anything i know the guinea pig episodes, people have died waiting for the stupid FDA to do something
that's why i don't that pills


matter of fact i have

i worked in major private hospital in New York, NY for 11 years i know who i was told to turn away, people who didn't have insurance, they were sent to city hospitals, and yes it's stress to the max, so YES some sectors of the healthcare system turn people away
who don't have insurance or an insurances that a perspective doctor doesn't participate with

i don't know where you worked besides wyckoff, but if you know anything the first question you asked a patient was "what's their name" and "what kind of insurance" do they have





i don't know the half? hahahahahahhahahahaha

not only did i not mention that the government is strong, WHERE DID
I EVEN MENTION GOVERNMENT?

:insane:

no I don't think so, I don't think you know the half. Emergency rooms see patients with no insurance..as for the rest of it...come off it. and I don't even have to laugh at you...:qqb004: the system is overloaded and pharmaceuticals companies such as Monsanto, are multi-nationals, they do most of their phase 1 testing outside of the US for good reason. they also, dump their meds in the bottom of the oceans every year to keep the value high, and strategically target certain countries that can afford their mafia prices.

this article particularly the bolded part should at least point to the fact I am not lying. ER, cannot turn away anyone who needs care not in any state, that I have been in at least. illegals can't be turned away in an ER either. clearly you are speaking from a paradigm of just trying to make me look like I don't know what I am talking about...and your not very successful at it. shakes head. i have rotate at many hospitals, and know what i am talking about...regardless. this is getting ridiculous now...
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2009/01/emergency-room.html

Emergency room doctors filed a lawsuit today against the state, saying that California’s overstressed emergency healthcare system is on the verge of collapse unless they receive additional funding.

California has seen 85 hospital closures in the last decade. An additional 55 facilities have shut down emergency rooms. The state now ranks last in the country in access to emergency care and is last in emergency rooms per capita with only seven per 1 million people. The national average is 20 emergency rooms per 1 million people.


“Patients are suffering every day,” said Irv Edwards, one of the doctors represented in the lawsuit and president of Emergent Medical Associates, which staffs 12 emergency rooms in Southern California. “There are emergency rooms throughout the state where people, we believe, have died. Some have died in the lobby before they were seen. Some have died shortly after being placed in a bed after having waited in the lobby for hours. Are people truly suffering consequences? Absolutely.”

Emergency room physicians say they have been particularly hard hit by the state’s fiscal problems. Unlike other doctors, who can choose not to accept Medi-Cal patients, emergency rooms cannot deny treatment. They provide care for these patients but are reimbursed at rates they say are half the cost of the treatment. California’s reimbursement rate ranks 43rd in the country, state officials said.

“As we go forward, these emergency room doctors, they can’t any longer take on the financial burden of the state’s obligation to its poor and to its elderly,” said attorney Raymond Boucher, who filed the lawsuit in Los Angeles County Superior Court today. “This isn’t a joke. This isn’t just a power play. They are on life support.”

Emergency room doctors statewide believe they subsidized more than $100 million in services provided to Medi-Cal patients in 2007 alone, according to the lawsuit.

Tony Cava, a spokesman for the state Department of Health Care Services, declined to comment on the lawsuit until the state has been served with the papers. However, he acknowledged the low reimbursement rate and said more budget cuts may be on the horizon.

A budget proposal calls for cutting an additional $1.1 billion from Medi-Cal by decreasing eligibility and eliminating some optional benefits. Reimbursement rates for doctors also are scheduled to be reduced an additional 1% to 5% on March 1.

Besides overcrowding and threatened quality of care, Edwards said he was also seeing a flight of medical school graduates out of California and a graying of the ranks of emergency room doctors.
“Ever increasingly, I’m hearing the story, ‘I’d love to stay and I love California, but I can’t afford to live here any longer,’ ” Edwards said. “They say, ‘Reimbursement is not competitive with what I’d get in other states, not to mention I can buy a house there for a quarter of the price of a California home.’ ”
Most medical school graduates carry $250,000 to $300,000 in debt and they cannot afford to stay, he said.

“I’m seeing an exodus of providers of emergency medicine and ... a graying of our specialty,” he said. “Fewer and fewer young doctors are wishing to practice in California.”

no I don't think so, I don't think you know the half. Emergency rooms see patients with no insurance..as for the rest of it...come off it. and I don't even have to laugh at you...:qqb004:


laugh at me?

come off of what you're on you mean?

i said healthcare and YOU SAID emergency room, healthcare is much much more than just the "emergency room", i thought you knew that as a healthcare provider

please read AGAIN


i worked in major private hospital in New York, NY for 11 years i know who i was told to turn away, people who didn't have insurance, they were sent to city hospitals, and yes it's stress to the max (city hospitals), so YES some sectors of the healthcare system turn people away
who don't have insurance or an insurances that a perspective doctor doesn't participate with

i don't know where you worked besides wyckoff, but if you know anything the first question you asked a patient was "what's their name" and "what kind of insurance" do they have


you call yourself a healthcare provider? in what capacity? you act as if every hospital operates the same way i SAID PRIVATE HOSPITAL, i know there's the JCAHO protocol, but when they came they just looked the set up the didn't get into insurance situations

Very strong points being made here. The monetary system is indeed a major culprit. The free society that is being dreamt up by some of today's brilliant visionaries would still not fix the problems of society as whole, after all the system we create or volunteer for are in fact extensions of generations of abuse. That would be one part of social science or social psychology "Zeitgeist" has not gone into.

How does capitalism, communism, socialism etc- all the isms come into play to begin with? They don't just manifest out of tin air like how the federal banking system creates money. They are like warts, boils or pimples on the surface of the collective consciousness.

It is not survival of the fittest at that point. These systems especially in the case of Europeans are designed so the weak can survive and be preserved. They are designed so that people who would have nothing that is naturally competitive or creative to use in order to supply food and shelter for themselves to be able to cheat and deceive. Such is the case because of another types of debt called "abuse debt."

This is essentially the reason we are debt slaves now, because we have all, in some point in time or life time have contributed to this form of debt. But before we call it karma, bare witness first to the fact that this same system of debt exists within most single Parent households. Even "not doing" can be labeled abuse, if a Father is "not doing" for his child/children a form of abuse debt can accumulate, not just because of the children but the Mother as well. This "not doing" is called neglect. And as we continue to bypass our basic rights as entities in order to fulfill the dreams that do not pretain to us and our agenda, such "abuse debt" will continue to accumulate.

Now true African or indigenous societies already have a good handle on the accumulation of this style of debt. Pleasure societies do not amass abuse debts, thus there is no way for them to manifest as the "isms" that rape so-called civilized worlds.

The Caucasian, as an extension of "negroid sub-consciousness" had to become our slave Master in order for us to "see within" and beyond the material world that had in fact before he arrive become our physical Masters.
We are still learning that this world is a construct of symbols and not our being. So this is why we should ask what do these things symbolize? What does Obama symbolize for us, what does Socialism symbolize? What does Fascism symbolize?

There is no equal system among society if it is not the product of the family or community structure. If inequality exists within our family or community structure it will manifest within the overall world. The bottom line is, such systems cannot exist without fuel. Just as we provide the fuel for GWS with our actions and thoughts- the Federal Banking System can "imagine" money out of thin air, money that is not backed by anything but the need to create more. We must remember money is used to fix pain and finance pleasures within our type of social constructs. Without money as a "problem solver" the FBS would lose it's footing.

"The Old World Order"- the systems of native Earth, were also systems of creative and co-creativeness. Everyone is equal because we are all seen as creators and contributors to our society. Women are respected as creators of children, families and societal order and Men are respected as creators of shelter and domain, security and tools.

America would become Socialist, because the current system has failed. The change Obama will bring to the table might be the amero. Or it could be the change from Capitalism to Socialism. It could mean different things to different people, but in the end it doesn't mean much of a difference. At least not for us.

You decide...

akLlxxWaJZM

the debt is a bad thing absolutely, I am taken longer to graduate than others because I go home and work and then go back to school, it is hard but this system is so unstable that I am afraid of being too much in debt. but all kinds of people are in debt, and all kinds of people chose material progress over sustainability...socialism can't change people...people change themselves. peace.

laugh at me?

come off of what you're on you mean?

i said healthcare and YOU SAID emergency room, healthcare is much much more than just the "emergency room", i thought you knew that as a healthcare provider

please read AGAIN



you call yourself a healthcare provider? in what capacity? you act as if every hospital operates the same way i SAID PRIVATE HOSPITAL, i know there's the JCAHO protocol, but when they came they just looked the set up the didn't get into insurance situations

actually this is what I said..
you think the healthcare system only sees people with health insurance? your wrong there, the healthcare system is stressed to the max, been to an emergency room lately, you think people are paying to see doctors I think I mentioned emergency rooms, I am done...I know what I do, if you don't who cares.

actually this is what I said..
I think I mentioned emergency rooms, I am done...I know what I do, if you don't who cares.

i said you mentioned emergency rooms HELLO, and i said i mentioned
HEALTHCARE as a whole i said healthcare is MORE than just emergency rooms, you have preventive care, dialysis, chemo, well care
and so forth

you never did say your capacity in healthcare though

I am done...I know what I do, if you don't who cares.is that what "jesus" would say?

i said you mentioned emergency rooms HELLO, and i said i mentioned
HEALTHCARE as a whole

you never did say your capacity in healthcare though



is that what "jesus" would say?

actually Jesus would...he said do not cast your pearls before swine lest they turn around and rend you with it. he said dust of your feet and move one when your dealing with someone who has a vanity problem...you were wrong pure and simple... private hospitals can't turn away patients in ER's either for your information. your true colors are shining through. divine my behind.. no ER can turn away a patient...and like I said all of these things cost money. now I know you ain't no God.
http://www.knoxbar.org/DVMedicaltreatment.htm

By law, a hospital emergency room must provide you with a "medically appropriate screening" to find out whether in fact you have an emergency condition. This is done regardless of whether you have insurance or money to pay for your care. If the screening procedure determines that you do have an emergency condition, the emergency room personnel must stabilize you before you can be discharged or transferred. (Transfer may be necessary if your problem cannot be adequately cared for at the hospital you've chosen.) The initial screening exam may be done by a nurse, a physician's assistant, or a physician. Remember, you will be screened regardless of your insurance or payment status; hospital personnel may ask you about insurance, so long as their inquiry does not delay the screening.

If the screening determines that you do not have an emergency condition (or in the case of pregnancy, that you are not in labor), you may be discharged and advised to follow up with your regular doctor. This means that your injuries can safely be treated in a less "intense" setting than an emergency room, or perhaps need no further care. If at all possible, stay away from the person who injured you and avoid anything that would prevent you from healing. Follow carefully all instructions you are given.

you really do not know nothing about it. if you don't know what medical students in their 3 and 4th year do, well go to medical school.

actually Jesus would...he said do not cast your pearls before swine lest they turn around and rend you with it. he said dust of your feet and move one when your dealing with someone who has a vanity problem...you were wrong pure and simple...private hospitals can't turn away patients in ER's either. your true colors are shining through. divine my behind..
http://www.knoxbar.org/DVMedicaltreatment.htm



you really do not know nothing about it. if you don't know what medical students in their 3 and 4th year do, well go to medical school.

i just asked you what you capacity was how did we get here?
i know what you residents or fellows do trust me, work under attendings in teaching hospitals

also MY TRUE COLORS ARE SHINING NOW IT'S YOU THAT"S SHINING

again i will said it for you you seem to don't understand or don't believe

patients who were not severely injured and DID NOT HAVE INSURANCE

were INFLUENCED to go to Bellevue to get their treatment

i never said an emergency room doesn't turn away patients

I SAID WHERE I WORKED DID

very small subtleties involving mostly homeless patients

i have a vanity problem

ok resident cool

By law, a hospital emergency room must provide you with a "medically appropriate screening" to find out whether in fact you have an emergency condition. This is done regardless of whether you have insurance or money to pay for your care. If the screening procedure determines that you do have an emergency condition, the emergency room personnel must stabilize you before you can be discharged or transferred.

WE OVER SCREENED

If the screening determines that you do not have an emergency condition (or in the case of pregnancy, that you are not in labor), you may be discharge

more time then not people were "influenced" to go to bellevue, certain patients, like i mentioned before

exactly once you control that, laws are IRREVELANT

people see capitalists as progress when in truth they're holding us back

because their basis is control and power, if progress tickles in, so be it

and that progress is ultimately OBEDIENCE

few can really see thru to the core because it's so well camouflaged

then i realized it's "NOT CAMOUFLAGED" at all

we are being spiritually raped right out in the open


then i realized :hearthis:it's "NOT CAMOUFLAGED" at all

we are being spiritually raped right out in the open


It is out in the open and perpetrated so that if you question Capitalism, you don't like making money. You don't have America's welfare at heart, you don't want to see business prosper.

http://destee.com/forums/showthread.php?t=23477&highlight=capital

I posted this in 2004. It is Andrew Jacksons farewell speech.
In it he talks about This same situation. It is long and I posted the entire speech. ( I know this broke a site rule...sorry Destee ) I did provide the link in the post.

http://destee.com/forums/showthread.php?t=23477&highlight=capital

I posted this in 2004. It is Andrew Jacksons farewell speech.
In it he talks about This same situation. It is long and I posted the entire speech. ( I know this broke a site rule...sorry Destee ) I did provide the link in the post.

i see you were on it already

that's good that's good

you broke the rules 5 years ago

boyee you in twubble!

Destee gonna get you

lol

it's all good man

:fyi:

your link has the link

I know a good number of Black Men and Women that feel very guilty about Capitalism and it's process especially in dealing in areas of production and sales. Capitalism allows the Business Man to charge us whatever the market will bare, or a so-called "fair market" price. In the African marketplace, African people are used to their customers debating and haggling them for a cheaper price for their products and services. This is expected, it shows that whatever they are offering is of good value and a service to the community.

Under Capitalism there is an average 400% markup on most goods and services. And to add insult to injury when those products aren't sold, they are either destroyed or sold at reduced profit. This is what retailers would call "a sale." Every day in America tons of food is destroyed because it couldn't be sold, meanwhile millions go hungry. And this is a significant problem when we are ruled by "profits."

Capitalism says that deceptive measure can and should be taken into account especially if it means bigger profits for the business. Such a practice itself also creates an "abuse" debt in the form of guilt. And this is why we have movies like "Pay it forward" or the recent movie with Will Smith "Seven Pounds." This is why we have White Philanthropists going around handing out millions of dollars for all their worthy causes. This too is because of abuse debt.

White guilt actually has very little to do with Black folks. White guilt has been amassed through centuries of blood Whites have been committing within their own communities and families. Slavery may have sent White guilt to it's boiling point, but the direct recipients of White guilt are actually White females under 21. The pain and abuse of White females within European history is in the form of incest, rape and even murder. This is also why we had both Hilary Clinton and Obama standing neck to neck, because they represent recipients of White guilt.

In reality, most Blacks do not practice Capitalism down to the letter. We don't privately own anything really, not even our own behinds. What are we are in most cases are Inflationists- we add value to America's goods and services.

Remember when bandannas were just scarfs and cloths? We start wearing them on our heads and the sales went through the roof. The secret is that everyone wants piece of what we see value in.

But because we are Inflationists, we cause the prices of goods and services to rise when we start patronizing them- this act itself also creates our debt. So for every flashy video we see on BET or MTV where Rappers are advertising liquors, fashions, vehicles etc- this sort of advertising is very effective causing the demand for these products and thus a jump in price. Banks then secure loans to people that want to take pleasure in the things we advertise.

In a fair economic system, we would only advertise those products that we ourselves as a people produce. So if the Brothas and Sisters in Chicago for example are engineering, building and manufacturing devices that convert regular gasoline driven cars into solar powered cars- it would make sense to have Rappers bragging about that in their videos. The more production factories we have, the more stable we would be as a nation. Because instead of borrowing money from banks, we would be borrowing money from these same factories and such loans could be paid back in the form of labor instead of debt or money.

It's the very system that White scholars that read about our history in Africa would call slavery. When in fact at it's best it was indentured servitude. But this took place in most cases for those who were paying back a debt, not someone beat over the head and captured. Sometimes the servant would decide to stay and have just as much wealth and land as the owner he was serving. If that is slavery, sign me up.

The average Black person is America over the age of 50 is still working...
for nothing.

I know a good number of Black Men and Women that feel very guilty about Capitalism and it's process especially in dealing in areas of production and sales. Capitalism allows the Business Man to charge us whatever the market will bare, or a so-called "fair market" price. In the African marketplace, African people are used to their customers debating and haggling them for a cheaper price for their products and services. This is expected, it shows that whatever they are offering is of good value and a service to the community.

Under Capitalism there is an average 400% markup on most goods and services. And to add insult to injury when those products aren't sold, they are either destroyed or sold at reduced profit. This is what retailers would call "a sale." Every day in America tons of food is destroyed because it couldn't be sold, meanwhile millions go hungry. And this is a significant problem when we are ruled by "profits."

Capitalism says that deceptive measure can and should be taken into account especially if it means bigger profits for the business. Such a practice itself also creates an "abuse" debt in the form of guilt. And this is why we have movies like "Pay it forward" or the recent movie with Will Smith "Seven Pounds." This is why we have White Philanthropists going around handing out millions of dollars for all their worthy causes. This too is because of abuse debt.

White guilt actually has very little to do with Black folks. White guilt has been amassed through centuries of blood Whites have been committing within their own communities and families. Slavery may have sent White guilt to it's boiling point, but the direct recipients of White guilt are actually White females under 21. The pain and abuse of White females within European history is in the form of incest, rape and even murder. This is also why we had both Hilary Clinton and Obama standing neck to neck, because they represent recipients of White guilt.

In reality, most Blacks do not practice Capitalism down to the letter. We don't privately own anything really, not even our own behinds. What are we are in most cases are Inflationists- we add value to America's goods and services.

Remember when bandannas were just scarfs and cloths? We start wearing them on our heads and the sales went through the roof. The secret is that everyone wants piece of what we see value in.

But because we are Inflationists, we cause the prices of goods and services to rise when we start patronizing them- this act itself also creates our debt. So for every flashy video we see on BET or MTV where Rappers are advertising liquors, fashions, vehicles etc- this sort of advertising is very effective causing the demand for these products and thus a jump in price. Banks then secure loans to people that want to take pleasure in the things we advertise.

In a fair economic system, we would only advertise those products that we ourselves as a people produce. So if the Brothas and Sisters in Chicago for example are engineering, building and manufacturing devices that convert regular gasoline driven cars into solar powered cars- it would make sense to have Rappers bragging about that in their videos. The more production factories we have, the more stable we would be as a nation. Because instead of borrowing money from banks, we would be borrowing money from these same factories and such loans could be paid back in the form of labor instead of debt or money.

It's the very system that White scholars that read about our history in Africa would call slavery. When in fact at it's best it was indentured servitude. But this took place in most cases for those who were paying back a debt, not someone beat over the head and captured. Sometimes the servant would decide to stay and have just as much wealth and land as the owner he was serving. If that is slavery, sign me up.

The average Black person is America over the age of 50 is still working...
for nothing.

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Meta your name should really be MetaSCIENCE!
And I agree with this entire post.

i just asked you what you capacity was how did we get here?
i know what you residents or fellows do trust me, work under attendings in teaching hospitals

also MY TRUE COLORS ARE SHINING NOW IT'S YOU THAT"S SHINING

again i will said it for you you seem to don't understand or don't believe

patients who were not severely injured and DID NOT HAVE INSURANCE

were INFLUENCED to go to Bellevue to get their treatment

i never said an emergency room doesn't turn away patients

I SAID WHERE I WORKED DID

very small subtleties involving mostly homeless patients

i have a vanity problem

ok resident cool

i will be going through match 2010, so not a resident yet as i said. and residents and fellows are licenced physicians, they don't work with attending all that much, they round with attendings to inform the attending of what how they are treated, and they get advice...but they see their patients independently. students work directly under residents, they do what the resident tells them. so a resident tells a student go do a history and physical on this patient and present it on rounds to the attending, run down to pathology and see if the tox screen or blood work is available, call the patients family, go see the social worker and start discharge to a rehabilitation facility, go find the specialist for a consult, go and find out how many patients off the list we can discharge to get more beds, go to radiology and see if the imaging results are ready...etc. there are some examples for you and sometimes students work under the attending as well...and what does this have to do with anything nothing...

you have adjusted you position over and over because your only concern is being right...and you were wrong. you said that we don't see patients without a card, and that was not true, we do, then you said that I was talking about the entire health care system, and I referenced the emergency room, as I showed you, then you said oh that doesn't happen in private hospitals, and again you were wrong. then when all else fails, interrogate me and try to discredit me by my personal faith or maybe worse perhaps ignorant jealousy.
any emergency that ends up in an ER has to be stabilized. Residents work in the ER so that means students are their to...So from first hand experience. if someone comes in to any ER, they have to be examined and screened if they are not stable they have to be treated. even a screenings cost billions. what is the big deal. furthermore you feel the need to ask me what would Jesus say? well I told you what he would say...you don't have the right to bully and interrogate someone because they just don't think your opinion is correct? from the banking system to the ideologies of the current political machination you have been wrong.

I am no liar, don't need to what purpose would it serve, I came to this forum to look at black issues. didn't come here to chase any men, got one already, didn't come here for any other reason than info and to share info. I am curious what dodge your going to utilize next, but then again this is just beneath me... so I am ending the conversation. lata to you so'ja...hope you find someone else to war with cause it ain't me..

I know a good number of Black Men and Women that feel very guilty about Capitalism and it's process especially in dealing in areas of production and sales. Capitalism allows the Business Man to charge us whatever the market will bare, or a so-called "fair market" price. In the African marketplace, African people are used to their customers debating and haggling them for a cheaper price for their products and services. This is expected, it shows that whatever they are offering is of good value and a service to the community.

Under Capitalism there is an average 400% markup on most goods and services. And to add insult to injury when those products aren't sold, they are either destroyed or sold at reduced profit. This is what retailers would call "a sale." Every day in America tons of food is destroyed because it couldn't be sold, meanwhile millions go hungry. And this is a significant problem when we are ruled by "profits."

Capitalism says that deceptive measure can and should be taken into account especially if it means bigger profits for the business. Such a practice itself also creates an "abuse" debt in the form of guilt. And this is why we have movies like "Pay it forward" or the recent movie with Will Smith "Seven Pounds." This is why we have White Philanthropists going around handing out millions of dollars for all their worthy causes. This too is because of abuse debt.

White guilt actually has very little to do with Black folks. White guilt has been amassed through centuries of blood Whites have been committing within their own communities and families. Slavery may have sent White guilt to it's boiling point, but the direct recipients of White guilt are actually White females under 21. The pain and abuse of White females within European history is in the form of incest, rape and even murder. This is also why we had both Hilary Clinton and Obama standing neck to neck, because they represent recipients of White guilt.

In reality, most Blacks do not practice Capitalism down to the letter. We don't privately own anything really, not even our own behinds. What are we are in most cases are Inflationists- we add value to America's goods and services.

Remember when bandannas were just scarfs and cloths? We start wearing them on our heads and the sales went through the roof. The secret is that everyone wants piece of what we see value in.

But because we are Inflationists, we cause the prices of goods and services to rise when we start patronizing them- this act itself also creates our debt. So for every flashy video we see on BET or MTV where Rappers are advertising liquors, fashions, vehicles etc- this sort of advertising is very effective causing the demand for these products and thus a jump in price. Banks then secure loans to people that want to take pleasure in the things we advertise.

In a fair economic system, we would only advertise those products that we ourselves as a people produce. So if the Brothas and Sisters in Chicago for example are engineering, building and manufacturing devices that convert regular gasoline driven cars into solar powered cars- it would make sense to have Rappers bragging about that in their videos. The more production factories we have, the more stable we would be as a nation. Because instead of borrowing money from banks, we would be borrowing money from these same factories and such loans could be paid back in the form of labor instead of debt or money.

It's the very system that White scholars that read about our history in Africa would call slavery. When in fact at it's best it was indentured servitude. But this took place in most cases for those who were paying back a debt, not someone beat over the head and captured. Sometimes the servant would decide to stay and have just as much wealth and land as the owner he was serving. If that is slavery, sign me up.

The average Black person is America over the age of 50 is still working...
for nothing.

yes your right, production costs nothing, and they sell it back to us at inflated cost, and use us to advertise their garbage...and then the worm of materialistic envy and desire eats away at folks cause us to buy into the I must have's, and the I must keep up with the Jones's. but we continue, because what is the alternative? the problems with these societies has been examined over and over so I would love to hear what you presume is a solution.

you have adjusted you position over and over because your only concern is being right...and you were wrong. you said that we don't see patients without a card, and that was not true, we do, then you said that I was talking about the entire health care system, and I referenced the emergency room, as I showed you, then you said oh that doesn't happen in private hospitals, and again you were wrong.

show me where i "changed" position, you're not even a resident, but you have the right holy than thou attitude so you are well on your way

i said over and over again where i worked that was the practice what is your problem? i did not EVER mention you said the entire healthcare system I DID!
i recognized you said emergency room and i said that was a pratice where i work they would influenced patients to go to the city hospital, I WORKED IN A PRIVATE HOSPITAL AND THAT WAS THEIR PRACTICE. what is your problem
i was there 11 years i know what i was told to do and i know what i saw.

furthermore you feel the need to ask me what would Jesus say? well I told you what he would say...you don't have the right to bully and interrogate someone because they just don't think your opinion is correct? from the banking system to the ideologies of the current political machination you have been wrong.

you've been saying i'm wrong, i'm wrong, i'm wrong, you said communism is NOT part of a banking system, and i said do your research but you know everything so my bad on that


I am no liar, don't need to what purpose would it serve, I came to this forum to look at black issues. didn't come here to chase any men, got one already, didn't come here for any other reason than info and to share info. I am curious what dodge your going to utilize next, but then again this is just beneath me... so I am ending the conversation. lata to you so'ja...hope you find someone else to war with cause it ain't me..

who said you were a liar? now i'm saying you got issues. who said you were chasing anybody? i don't want you, and i know i didn't project that

i'm not at war with you what is your problem you have serious issues

if i'm telling you what my FIRST HAND EXPERIENCE was and you tell me what

i didn't see, how am i at "war" with you

what dodge are you talking about?

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