Where did we come from, Adam or Ape?

What is the origin of man? Are we created beings and decendents of Adam or are we a chance occurance and decendents of single celled organisms which evolved into apes who in turn evolved into us?

Is there another alternative theory which explains where we all came from???

chance occurance chance occurance? i don't think so


Is there another alternative theory which explains where we all came from???

i think the better question is "where we all are going"

:boring:

Are we created beings and decendents of Adam everything comes from something
so descendents of Adam? all that is, is another euro fairy tale

chance occurance? i don't think so



i think the better question is "where we all are going"

:boring:

everything comes from something
so descendents of Adam? all that is, is another euro fairy tale

Hmmmm. So, you don't think we are a chance occurence as the theory of Evolution would suggest and you dismiss Adam as a fairy tale, yet you choose not to give any alternative theory as to the origin of man.

While "where we all are going" is a fine question worthy of an answer, "Where we all came from" is just as valid and worthy question. It is often a criticism of "Uppity" brothers or sisters that they "forgot where they came from" so knowing our origin is essential to knowing what our individual and collective objective is, i.e. "where we all are going"

Before anyones religious or spiritual views can be accepted or dismissed, I want to know if their views answer the question of where we came from. Personally, I flat out reject the theory of evolution because it suggest that the origin of life is a mere chance occurrence. It also suggest that the origin of man as well as reproduction are also chance occurrences. Furthermore, the theory of evolution asserts (not just suggest) that Blacks are "less evolved" than Whites. (Darwinianism)

Now, I don't reject a theory just because I don't like it or because I don't like the source/messenger. I reject or accept a theory based upon its probability of being factually based. I don't want to "forget where I came from" because it is interwoven with "where I am going".

On that note, is there an alternative theory which answers the questions concerning the origin of life and the origin of man?

Where did we come from, Adam or Ape?

What is the origin of man? Are we created beings and decendents of Adam or are we a chance occurance and decendents of single celled organisms which evolved into apes who in turn evolved into us?

Is there another alternative theory which explains where we all came from???

Greetings Excel10k,

As the Father of Biracial children, which evolution theory do you teach them (and ergo believe)? Darwinism and Creationism? Do you think Adam & Eve were White/Black/Brown?.

Hoping to learn from you and others.

Peace,
Alexandra

Ps - Ignore this question; I just read your other post. Cheers.

Greetings Excel10k,

As the Father of Biracial children, which evolution theory do you teach them (and ergo believe)? Darwinism and Creationism? Do you think Adam & Eve were White/Black/Brown?.

Hoping to learn from you and others.

Peace,
Alexandra

Ps - Ignore this question; I just read your other post. Cheers.

This link basically sums up everything I believe about "race".

Answers in Genesis: Racism (http://www.answersingenesis.org/home/area/faq/racism.asp)

Hmmmm. So, you don't think we are a chance occurence as the theory of Evolution would suggest and you dismiss Adam as a fairy tale, yet you choose not to give any alternative theory as to the origin of man.


this is where the problem lies. man thinks of himself somehow "different" than other life when that's not the cause say to say the "origin" of man is a something new when i contend that life is the universe and has always been
but that "life" is manifested the way it is on earth

man is but one species

so i would say both theory of evolution and adam are both euro fantasies
because theory is based on chance when if you understand

universal law in any sense and any form

you will know there is no such thing as "CHANCE"

so the question is not what is the "origin" of man but what is the origin of

"life" because in order of us to live something has to live

something give us life what give life, life?

I went to the "New Answers Page" that was listed and I read it very well. I'm sorry people but this is the biggest crock of bulls--t I ever read in my life!!!! This is the kind of garbage that "man made religion uses to try and justify the Bible and the books in it". It uses what it wants to use of science that supports religion and leaves the rest alone.

1. Races of people did come on the earth at different times. DNA/genetic studies prove this beyond a doubt...with the white race as the last on the earth....taking this back to my concept and scientific reality called devolution. How can we look at devolution? Look at it this way; "An apple is an apple". If we sit the apple on a table and leave it there, the apple will begin to go through a process of change as it slowly begins to rot. The apple is still an apple and is still eatable with many of the nutrients in the apple still there. Only after a certain period of time does the apple reach a stage where it is no longer qualified to be seen as an apple....a stage where the nutrients, the apple look, color, taste, feel and apple value in terms of healing or anything else is depleted or gone.

If this apple were a human being then each stage of decay would represent the stage where a new race appeared until the apple reached the last stage of rot...whereby we would have the white race. Any scientist could check any stage of the apple that it goes through and still conclude that it's still an apple. The question is not "is it still an apple, the question is "what kind of apple is it and how old can each stage be traced back to?" The apple in its original state...the state and condition whereby it can be used for everything would be black people. As the apple begins the process of rotting we would get different races from the original and with each stage of decay something would be lost and missing that the original apple contained.

If as the Bible and white washed science tries to assert by saying that we're "really all the same", then we would all have the same nutritional needs. We could all use the same medicine. We could all eat the same foods with the same health results and we would all have the same blood. As black people we need Tryptophan which is an amino acid in our system. This same amino acid is dangerous in white peoples body. The differences can go on and on....but we're supposed to "all be the same".

The Adam and Eve nonsense? Yeah it's just that! Of the so called 5 books of Moses, the book of Genesis was the last one written. The New Answers Page is so full of it that I could rip it apart with my eyes closed but I'm not here to be teaching no grown a** conditioned man jack...for as it equally says in the 17th Bible that we call the KJV, "he that is ignorant, let him remain ignorant". The Bible is Racist, does support slavery of Black people, was edited by William Shaksphere and has his signature in it and is the most unreliable piece of trash and lies ever written. Did we come from apes? That's the white mans question to keep from admitting that he is the last stage of the African man/woman and like the apple is in a rotted condition. This is why all over the world "white represents death". The white man admits to eating fur burger when mentioning oral sex because white people don't even have hair....it is fur. Everything dead lays down. Look at nature...everything dead lays down....even our hair lays down when we kill it with chemicals and a straightening comb.
I don't want to get started on this because of some catty question that was asked so let me depart from this in peace....I see he games being played and the questions being asked to illicit responses that serve a hidden agenda and I'm not going to be part of it.

Peace

Everything dead lays down. Look at nature...everything dead lays down....even our hair lays down when we kill it with chemicals and a straightening comb.


GREAT POINT!

I went to the "New Answers Page" that was listed and I read it very well. I'm sorry people but this is the biggest crock of bulls--t I ever read in my life!!!! This is the kind of garbage that "man made religion uses to try and justify the Bible and the books in it". It uses what it wants to use of science that supports religion and leaves the rest alone.

1. Races of people did come on the earth at different times. DNA/genetic studies prove this beyond a doubt...with the white race as the last on the earth....taking this back to my concept and scientific reality called devolution. How can we look at devolution? Look at it this way; "An apple is an apple". If we sit the apple on a table and leave it there, the apple will begin to go through a process of change as it slowly begins to rot. The apple is still an apple and is still eatable with many of the nutrients in the apple still there. Only after a certain period of time does the apple reach a stage where it is no longer qualified to be seen as an apple....a stage where the nutrients, the apple look, color, taste, feel and apple value in terms of healing or anything else is depleted or gone.

Peace

Here is the problem with your apple rhetoric. You talk about this apple rot and so on, but you fail to address where the apple comes from in the first place. Did humans just appear out of thin air?

You mention the "Answers" page as selectively using science, when you have done the exact same thing with your mention of DNA? Is there a scientific study you can point to that proves your theory comprehensively? No, I can answer that, there isn't one.

According to you "Races came to the earth at different times". Where did they come from, Mars? I don't question the fact that Races developed at different times, it fits with Bible history. At the time of Adam, there was only one race.

NOW IT IS FUNNY HOW YOU USE THE DUCK AND DODGE TACTIC OF CLAIMING YOU DON'T WANT TO TEACH GROWN FOLKS NOTHING, YET WILL HOP IN,DISPUTE WHAT IS PRESENTED,AND CLAIM YOU WILL NOT SUPPORT YOUR CLAIM BECAUSE THAT WOULD BE "TEACHING" AND YOU DON'T WANT TO DO THAT. WELL, YOU AND I KNOW THAT IS JUST A DUCK AND DODGE TACTIC. NO SENSIBLE PERSON WILL ACCEPT WHAT ANOTHER SAY AS GOSPEL JUST BECAUSE YOU INSIST IT IS TRUE AND CLAIM THAT DEFENDING IT WITH PROOF AND LOGIC WOULD BE "TEACHING."

You can call my belief system any name you want and declare I am the dumbest person on earth, but that is utterly meaningless if that is the extent of your presentation. Be a man, support your claim. Don't come in here acting as though you are all knowing and that your word must be accepted or anyone who doesn't accept it is an idiot. There are many black scholars much smarter than you or I who agree with me and dissagree with you. There are, likewise many black scholars smarter than the both of us who would agree with you, therefore simply denouncing one belief system without making a case for your own is WEAK and illogical. So, if you are unwilling to make a case and defend your theories, do me a favor and keep them to yourself.

At the time of Adam, there was only one race.


so you say "one race" what race was that?

this is where the problem lies. man thinks of himself somehow "different" than other life when that's not the cause say to say the "origin" of man is a something new when i contend that life is the universe and has always been
but that "life" is manifested the way it is on earth

man is but one species

so i would say both theory of evolution and adam are both euro fantasies
because theory is based on chance when if you understand

universal law in any sense and any form

you will know there is no such thing as "CHANCE"

so the question is not what is the "origin" of man but what is the origin of

"life" because in order of us to live something has to live

something give us life what give life, life?

a better question would be what gives life its' intelligence?

Everything dead lays down. Look at nature...everything dead lays down....even our hair lays down when we kill it with chemicals and a straightening comb.
I don't want to get started on this because of some catty question that was asked so let me depart from this in peace....I see he games being played and the questions being asked to illicit responses that serve a hidden agenda and I'm not going to be part of it.

Peace


Hmmmm, so you claim that white peoples hair is dead and our hair is alive.....and you want me to accept scientific claims you make without substantiating evidence. Not likely.

so you say "one race" what race was that?

The human race. "Race" is an evolutionary term.

Get rid of EVOLUTIONIZED terms (http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/nab/are-there-different-races)

Hmmmm, so you claim that white peoples hair is dead and our hair is alive.....and you want me to accept scientific claims you make without substantiating evidence. Not likely.

you're taking the word dead literally here

do you feel you have an inferiority complex 10k?

The human race. "Race" is an evolutionary term.

Get rid of EVOLUTIONIZED terms (http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/nab/are-there-different-races)

cop out

lol

the Adam and Eve fairy tale is all allegory
the evolutionary ape theory belongs in the ground with Darwin

All creation came out of Afrika...the Motherland.:bingo:

the Adam and Eve fairy tale is all allegory
the evolutionary ape theory belongs in the ground with Darwin

All creation came out of Afrika...the Motherland.:bingo:

for that

both are fairy tales

this is where the problem lies. man thinks of himself somehow "different" than other life when that's not the cause say to say the "origin" of man is a something new when i contend that life is the universe and has always been
but that "life" is manifested the way it is on earth

man is but one species

so i would say both theory of evolution and adam are both euro fantasies
because theory is based on chance when if you understand

universal law in any sense and any form

you will know there is no such thing as "CHANCE"

so the question is not what is the "origin" of man but what is the origin of

"life" because in order of us to live something has to live

something give us life what give life, life?

Origin of life, man, species, intelligent life, etc. etc. etc. It all had to originate somewhere.... You have denounced both common theories as euro fantasies but have yet to give an alternative theory or assertion for where anything comes from. Are you suggesting life and intelligence created itself out of thin air? You keep posing a "better question" and denouncing common theories but have no answers are theories of your own. You are essentially saying "I don't have any ideas of my own, but i KNOW your ideas are wrong".

the Adam and Eve fairy tale is all allegory
the evolutionary ape theory belongs in the ground with Darwin

All creation came out of Afrika...the Motherland.:bingo:

That is all sweet and stuff, but WHO or WHAT created it out of Afrika? Did life create itself? That claim without a narrative is empty. Was life created as a single cell organism? Was man created then plants? Give a narrative that brings logic to the table.

:sand:

Are you suggesting life and intelligence created itself out of thin air? did i?

I don't have any ideas of my own,but i KNOW your ideas are wrong".

now you are catching on i don't have ideas never claimed i did but your

adam and ape story is just that stories

nobody really knows where all this truly comes from the easy way out is

to say "GOD"

i say it's even much more then that if your mind can stretch to

what i'm saying here this "GOD" is actually undefinable in terms that we

can't comprehend at this present time hopefully there will be a day when

an living being on this planet can understand the base core nature of the

universe

i don't have an "IDEA" I KNOW that our origin is beyond our conscious

and it undefinable at the present moment and i'm not going to sit here

and say everyone came from "Adam" or "APE" when i know those terms are

incorrect. Come on Excel10k you are venturing too far out from your comfort zone now grab that blanket man

:smash:

...it certainly sounds like you need one as your topic is begging for research, deep research!

Reading is fundamental:em2300:

:smash:

...it certainly sounds like you need one as your topic is begging for research, deep research!

Reading is fundamental:em2300:

I am not the one out here making claims without a willingness to discuss even the most basic of explainations. My research is done and I am prepared to drill down into it in search of truth. It is vividly apparent that you cannot say the same.

"Everything is created out of Africa" OK, what does that mean? "Duhhh, I don't know...It just means I don't have to believe in God"

did i?



now you are catching on i don't have ideas never claimed i did but your

adam and ape story is just that stories

nobody really knows where all this truly comes from the easy way out is

to say "GOD"

i say it's even much more then that if your mind can stretch to

what i'm saying here this "GOD" is actually undefinable in terms that we

can't comprehend at this present time hopefully there will be a day when

an living being on this planet can understand the base core nature of the

universe

i don't have an "IDEA" I KNOW that our origin is beyond our conscious

and it undefinable at the present moment and i'm not going to sit here

and say everyone came from "Adam" or "APE" when i know those terms are

incorrect. Come on Excel10k you are venturing too far out from your comfort zone now grab that blanket man

Bro.! Talk about taking the easy way out. How is it that you KNOW "Adam" or "APE" are incorrect?
It is apparent that you believe what you want to believe. The truth matters not.

I am actually in the middle of my comfort zone.

I am not the one out here making claims without a willingness to discuss even the most basic of explainations. My research is done and I am prepared to drill down into it in search of truth. It is vividly apparent that you cannot say the same.

"Everything is created out of Africa" OK, what does that mean? "Duhhh, I don't know...It just means I don't have to believe in God"

Didn't you say that your kids are as black as you? Why did you say that if you don't believe that all humans derive from an African man and woman?


Tell us what you "think" you know or what you "feel" you believe


Let's take a break from you wanting to know what people think and tell us what it is that is going on inside of excells head in terms of where ever we are evolved from apes, hahaha etc.

I am not the one out here making claims without a willingness to discuss even the most basic of explainations. My research is done and I am prepared to drill down into it in search of truth. It is vividly apparent that you cannot say the same.

"Everything is created out of Africa" OK, what does that mean? "Duhhh, I don't know...It just means I don't have to believe in God"


Your claim is the two A's, Adam or Ape?

I dunno excell... Is your original mother and father an Ape?



Astrologer4U

:dance:

FUNNY :spin:

I agree, Fine1952 :lol:

Excel - Astrologer4U has a good point - why not just post your beliefs and allow people to address them (if they feel so inclined..) instead of posting a question you already believe you have the answer to. What is your purpose?

no, "embarrassed" was much too weak a word ...

c'mon, y'all: from the very first post in this thread, it was about nothing but something to argue/fight about. and it has been nothing but ever since. nobody is saying anything; nobody is gonna "win" this thing.

there ain't been but one really intelligent point brought out in the entire thread: we ain't nowhere near smart enough to have any of these "Answers" yet. and, no; i ain't talking about the DesteeFam, nor "African Americans". i'm talking that since so-called "intelligent" allegedly "civilized" man has only been around for a few hundred thousand years, we ain't even close to beginning to make the slightest sense out of something that has been around for, we think, some dozens of billions of years.

duh!! what the world needs to do is stop trying to find the answers to "where it all began", "what's out there" and finally start thinking about this space that we live in RIGHT NOW and recognize that we are seriously trashing it.

for you, excell10k and clyde coger and other proponents of the biblical theory of existence: how can you call yourselves believers and defenders of god's gifts when the only thing man is doing is trashing this massively wonderful gift of creation? for the rest of us, everybody knows that the way that things are done today is only damaging stuff: what in the entire history of this crap has ever benefited this environment? when is anyone gonna ever listen to the folks that keep on trying to tell us that we should rethink what we think we know, since it is obvious that what we think we know must have some serious flaws in it given the state of everything today.

somebody tossed an analogy when i last entered one of these sillinesses to the effect of why should i abandon the old lady crossing the street just because there are too many loud and brash idiots messing things up? well, since that old lady keeps beating me over the head, what sort of fool would i be to keep trying to point out to the backwards people that spending so much time looking backwards and everywhere but right in front of their face is only gonna keep them stumbling and bumbling along??

seeking distance ... (of course, the typical response is to welcome this distraction in order to escape this thread and turn around and attack my comments .... smh .. <embarrassment>)

Your claim isthe two A's, Adam or Ape?

I dunno excell... Is your original mother and father an Ape?

Astrologer4U

Sister Astrologer4U ... you are in violation of our rules. You can't make the discussions personal.

There is nothing more personal, than talking about someone's Parents, suggesting they might be apes.

If you continue in this vein Sister, you will experience the consequences, up to and including being banned.

Please consider this an official warning.

:heart:

Destee

Didn't you say that your kids are as black as you? Why did you say that if you don't believe that all humans derive from an African man and woman?


Tell us what you "think" you know or what you "feel" you believe


Let's take a break from you wanting to know what people think and tell us what it is that is going on inside of excells head in terms of wheater we are evolved from apes, hahaha etc.

No, of course I didn't say that.

We are all dealing with "belief" systems here. The point I am dealing with is that so called "Afrocentric" brothers and sisters stand judgmental of brothers and sisters who believe Christianity. They look down their noses at the millions of Blacks who believe the Bible but are very shallow on theories of their own are pretend to be offended when asked to substantiate their beliefs. I know why I believe what I believe and am fully willing to discuss/defend/drill down into it. On the other hand, those who act as though they have risen above those of us who believe the Bible are weak and illogical in defense or discussion of their own belief system. They are more interested in denouncing what we believe than demonstrating that their own beliefs are anything more than a part of selectively denouncing all things they percieve as "White".


What's going on in my head? Well, I have always made it clear that I believe in biblical Christianity. I question the reasoning and logic of those who look down their noses at believers such as myself, but who are empty when it comes to coming up with alternative theories or being able to explain why they believe they know Adam or Ape is incorrect or why they believe something else is correct.
Of course we are not evolved from Apes.

I agree, Fine1952 :lol:

Excel - Astrologer4U has a good point - why not just post your beliefs and allow people to address them (if they feel so inclined..) instead of posting a question you already believe you have the answer to. What is your purpose?


My beliefs have never been a secret. I believe in Biblical Christianity as do millions of other Blacks world wide.
You have missed my point, however. My point is not to PROVE that what I believe is true. My point was to discuss the two popular theories of origin of life and man as well as consider and discuss alternatives in African spirituality or any other alternatives brothers and sisters might subscribe to.

Rather than being willing to enter into open and respectful discussion of the various theories, most were only interested in attacking Christianity and refused to offer ANY alternatives. That is weak and illogical.

I posted the thread correctly for its intended purpose, which is to discuss the various theories, for those who have no intention of discussing the various theories and only want to trash mine, this thread was never intended for them, they are thread hi-jackers.

Sister Astrologer4U ... you are in violation of our rules. You can't make the discussions personal.

There is nothing more personal, than talking about someone's Parents, suggesting they might be apes.

If you continue in this vein Sister, you will experience the consequences, up to and including being banned.

Please consider this an official warning.

:heart:

Destee


The question of the thread starter (excell) is Adam or Ape? He is asking the thread participants if they think they came from Adam, as in Adam and Eve. Or, do we (the thread partcipants) believe that we evolved from Apes? For such a question to be asked implies that if I agree with Darwinism, I would also agree that I and everyone else, have evovled from Apes...meaning, if we agree with Darwins theory, it would mean that our original mothers and fathers, were originally Apes.




Originally Posted by Astrologer4U

Your claim is the two A's, Adam or Ape?

I dunno excell... Is your original mother and father an Ape?

Astrologer4U

The implication of the above is to suggest that I, Astrologer4U, did not evolve from an Ape, however if you excell, have a space in your mind which thinks it is possible, let me ask you then...the above quote


Now, if excell can ask the thread participants if they think they came from one or the other, Adam or an Ape, I don't see why I can't ask him if his (original) meaning (origin) If his original mother or father is an Ape?

The question was asked not as an insult, due to the context of this particular thread.


If my asking him that question is in violation, I can only conclude that the title of the thread and this thread discussion, is in total violation.


The keyword is (original) being that this thread is about original "origins" of humans.



However, I do not wish to argue with you about the debatable matter at hand in this topic. I do not wish to argue with you period. It is clear to me what is taking place...I will presume in this topic (if I may) taking heed, to your warning, not to ask the questions for which have been asked to me and everyone else who bothers to participate in this thread.


Thank you very much....



Astrologer4U

One whom created land and water created man ADAM from man rib created EVE
from such creation call life came many others of person/places and things
Ape was made in the form of man from that was caveman and so forth of humankind
to life like.

most were only interested in attacking Christianity and refused to offer ANY alternatives. That is weak and illogical.


you made a point you believe in Christianity. see excel to say something is
weak and illogical is well...... weak and illogical because you base that
on an "alternatives" solely which is ludicrous why believe in something
just because it is an "alternative" i don't get it

just because you believe in a formatted "alternative" does not make you

right soley based on you believing that alternative

nobody knows where all of this comes from let alone man himself

which in actuality is an oxymoron

you suggested adam or ape or another alternative

i know adam or ape is not an "alternative" and i don't have an answer as

the real "alternative" and when i said that you jumped on all me

when in reality i answered your question the best way i know how

and NOBODY knows where life starts not even close

let alone MAN who by the way is part of LIFE

peace

The question of the thread starter (excell) is Adam or Ape? He is asking the thread participants if they think they came from Adam, as in Adam and Eve. Or, do we (the thread partcipants) believe that we evolved from Apes? For such a question to be asked implies that if I agree with Darwinism, I would also agree that I and everyone else, have evovled from Apes...meaning, if we agree with Darwins theory, it would mean that our original mothers and fathers, were originally Apes.






The implication of the above is to suggest that I, Astrologer4U, did not evolve from an Ape, however if you excell, have a space in your mind which thinks it is possible, let me ask you then...the above quote


Now, if excell can ask the thread participants if they think they came from one or the other, Adam or an Ape, I don't see why I can't ask him if his (original) meaning (origin) If his original mother or father is an Ape?

The question was asked not as an insult due to the context of this particular thread.


If my asking him that question is in violation, I can only conclude that the title of the thread and this thread discussion, is in total violation.


The keyword is (original) being that this thread is about original "origins" of humans.



However, I do not wish to argue with you about the debatable matter at hand in this topic. I do not wish to argue with you period. It is clear to me what is taking place...I will presume in this topic (if I may) taking heed, to your warning, not to ask the questions for which have been asked to me and everyone else who bothers to participate in this thread.


Thank you very much....



Astrologer4U

The theories presented are widely held beliefs, and can be discussed without talking about individual Member's Parents.

If you want to bring Parents into the discussion ... bring your own ... not someone else's.

Talk about your Parents being apes, if this is what you believe (as indicated above), not someone else's Parents.

It does require some finesse, to discuss sensitive topics without making them personal. Not everyone has this ability, and consequently, they violate the rules. You're not the first, and i doubt that you'll be the last.

Nonetheless ... making the discussions personal (in our opinion), is a violation, whether you agree or not.

:heart:

Destee

No, of course I didn't say that."



Brother excell, you did say your childen were as black as you...my response to you when you said that was and I quote "Don't kid yourself"

We are all dealing with "belief" systems here. The point I am dealing with is that so called "Afrocentric" brothers and sisters stand judgmental of brothers and sisters who believe Christianity. They look down their noses at the millions of Blacks who believe the Bible but are very shallow on theories of their own are pretend to be offended when asked to substantiate their beliefs. I know why I believe what I believe and am fully willing to discuss/defend/drill down into it. On the other hand, those who act as though they have risen above those of us who believe the Bible are weak and illogical in defense or discussion of their own belief system. They are more interested in denouncing what we believe than demonstrating that their own beliefs are anything more than a part of selectively denouncing all things they percieve as "White".

"We are dealing with belief systems"?????

So let me get this straight, if we don't go by your belief, we must go by Darwinism? How about trying this on for size, what if one was to believe in neither, due to the fact that, there really is no full evidence to support either? What would you say then? What would the title of this thread be entitled then? Your premise is, one should have an "alternative" however, you have limited the alternatives to the Bible and or Darwinism. What this tells me is, you only chose the bible because you don't want to say you came from an Ape. In other words, your choices were limited, so you chose what you have analyzed to suit you best in this world as a Christian, sense in your mind, the bible does not support evolution. How you answer this question will demonstrate how small your ideology is about peoples belief system. Your answer will determined if you need to or not to, broaden your mind in terms of people period. With your being a Virgo, it is very difficult for you to do that because you analyze issues, and concepts from a personal perspective. You have not reached the capacity to be objective from all sides.


One more thing, Evolution/Darwinism or Christianity, do not debunk that all first humans were Africans and all the other races came last.

you made a point you believe in Christianity. see excel to say something is
weak and illogical is well...... weak and illogical because you base that
on an "alternatives" solely which is ludicrous why believe in something
just because it is an "alternative" i don't get it

just because you believe in a formatted "alternative" does not make you

right soley based on you believing that alternative

nobody knows where all of this comes from let alone man himself

which in actuality is an oxymoron

you suggested adam or ape or another alternative

i know adam or ape is not an "alternative" and i don't have an answer as

the real "alternative" and when i said that you jumped on all me

when in reality i answered your question the best way i know how

and NOBODY knows where life starts not even close

let alone MAN who by the way is part of LIFE

peace

Fair enough. I accept your "real alternative" that you don't know and believe that no one else can know either. Obviously I dissagree with you, but that is what this is all about, discussing various alternatives to the origin of life, man, intelligence, and species. Your "alternative" that we cannot know is understandable. Debatable, but understandable why someone would believe that way. I dissagree. If you have specific questions as to why I dissagree, I will be happy to address them.

Thanks

One whom created land and water created man ADAM from man rib created EVE
from such creation call life came many others of person/places and things
Ape was made in the form of man from that was caveman and so forth of humankind
to life like.

According to the bible, the above would not be correct. For Animals were first to excist and humans came after. This is the loop hole Darwin created his theory from.

This is not to say that I believe that I evolved from an Ape, it is just to give an example of loop holes for arguements, such as Humans evolved from Apes.

"We are dealing with belief systems"?????

So let me get this straight, if we don't go by your belief, we must go by Darwinism? How about trying this on for size, what if one was to believe in neither, due to the fact that, there really is no full evidence to support either? What would you say then? What would the title of this thread be entitled then? Your premise is, one should have an "alternative" however, you have limited the alternatives to the Bible and or Darwinism. What this tells me is, you only chose the bible because you don't want to say you came from an Ape. In other words, your choices were limited so you chose what you have analyzed to suit you best in this world as a Christian, sense the bible does not support evolution. How you answer this question will demonstrate how small your ideology about peoples belief system is. Your answer will determined if you need to or not to, broaden your mind in terms of people period. With your being a Virgo, it is very difficult for you to do that because you analyze issues, and concepts from a personal perspective. You have not reached the capacity to be objective from all sides.


One more thing, Evolution/Darwinism or Christianity, do not debunk that all first humans were Africans and all the other races came last.

Are you intentionally trying to distort my original post or do you truely not understand it??? I NEVER SUGGESTED THAT YOU EITHER HAD TO GO WITH MY BELIEF SYSTEM OR DARWINISM.

The thread title was "Adam or Ape". As with all "Titles" they are meant to be an attention grabber, to draw more opinions to the table. The narrative or body of the initial post clearly made way for ANY alternative belief system that might explain the origin of life, man, and species.

The point was that even if you wanted to believe neither, I wanted to discuss that as well. It was never an intent to PROVE my belief system as right, but to discuss the various belief systems openly and respectfully. Is that even possible with you?

The choices are not limited to evolution or creationism, but I do think a person should know what they believe and why they believe it. If they choose to enter into a discussion of the various theories on the origin of life, they should not just criticise those who believe on theory or another alternative, they should respectfully explain why they beleive what they believe and why they reject any specific alternative they reject.

Also most Biblical scholars agree that the first humans were in Africa, this doesn't create a problem for Biblical Chirstianity and presents no need to debunk.

My beliefs have never been a secret. I believe in Biblical Christianity as do millions of other Blacks world wide.
You have missed my point, however. My point is not to PROVE that what I believe is true. My point was to discuss the two popular theories of origin of life and man as well as consider and discuss alternatives in African spirituality or any other alternatives brothers and sisters might subscribe to.

Rather than being willing to enter into open and respectful discussion of the various theories, most were only interested in attacking Christianity and refused to offer ANY alternatives. That is weak and illogical.

I posted the thread correctly for its intended purpose, which is to discuss the various theories, for those who have no intention of discussing the various theories and only want to trash mine, this thread was never intended for them, they are thread hi-jackers.

To consider and discuss... for what? What is your aim if not to prove your theory? Why ask others to prove theirs? Do you assume your Xian beliefs (as practiced by millions of Blacks worldwide.. ) make it valid by numbers alone when in fact it could simply demonstrate the depth of Black deception?

What you would like, is that if anyone disagrees with your commentary, that they prove you wrong, instead of you putting any effort into proving your theory right. For many, the Bible is not irrefutable 'truth' so you'd have to dig a bit deeper if you are sincerely looking for alternatives or any discussion of value. This seems impossible for you. That's ok. But the guise you wear of wanting to discuss alternatives is as see-through as the Emperors New Clothes ;)

Both the Ape and Adam are euro theories, thus this topic (to me) is moot from the start. I wondered where you were going with it - but that's pretty clear now. Thank you!

Brother excell, you did say your childen were as black as you...my response to you when you said that was and I quote "Don't kid yourself"



Prove it.

I said "almost" or "nearly." I never said "as black as me"

My 15 year old son, is in fact, nearly as dark as me. He is only lighter by a shade and during the summer can easily get darker than me.

I have sereral other children who are also relatively close to my complexion. My 15 year old, who happens to be taller then me is often mistake as my wifes husband. Most are totally astounded and do not believe my wife could be his mother.

NOW, WHAT DOES ANY OF THIS HAVE TO DO WITH THE PRICE OF TEA IN COMPTON?!?!?!?

Where did we come from, Adam or Ape?

What is the origin of man? Are we created beings and decendents of Adam or are we a chance occurance and decendents of single celled organisms which evolved into apes who in turn evolved into us?

Is there another alternative theory which explains where we all came from???

According to the teachings of my ancestors and other people on the continent (the original man), mankind did not evolve from apes, we "de-evolved" from "God." Descriptions of the first humans across the African continent often show very Godly beings who could do things that people today only dream of. However, as time goes by, these beings stop knowing that they are Gods and start believing that they are human.

Prove it.

I said "almost" or "nearly." I never said "as black as me"

My 15 year old son, is in fact, nearly as dark as me. He is only lighter by a shade and during the summer can easily get darker than me.

I have sereral other children who are also relatively close to my complexion. My 15 year old, who happens to be taller then me is often mistake as my wifes husband. Most are totally astounded and do not believe my wife could be his mother.

NOW, WHAT DOES ANY OF THIS HAVE TO DO WITH THE PRICE OF TEA IN COMPTON?!?!?!?

Brother Excel10K ... when you bring your children, wife, Family, into the discussions ... you make them the topic ... encouraging the discussions to become personal.

We can't protect you from your own self.

If you don't want folk talking about your Family, you should not present them as fodder for these discussions.

:heart:

Destee

To consider and discuss... for what? What is your aim if not to prove your theory? Why ask others to prove theirs? Do you assume your Xian beliefs (as practices by Millions of blacks worldwide.. ) make it valid by numbers alone when in fact it could simply demonstrate the depth of Black deception?

What you would like, is that if anyone disagrees with your commentary, that they prove you wrong, instead of you putting any effort into proving your theory right. For many, the Bible is not irrefutable 'truth' so you'd have to dig a bit deeper if you are sincerely looking for alternatives or any discussion of value. This seems impossible for you. That's ok. But the guise you wear of wanting to discuss alternatives is as see-through as the Emperors New Clothes ;)

Both the Ape and Adam are euro theories, thus this topic (to me) is moot from the start. I wondered where you were going with it - but that's pretty clear now. Thank you!

What are any discussions for, to gain understanding of why people believe what they believe! Duhhh! If they only attack my belief it does nothing to explain why they believe something different. It only explains that they reject mine. Why are they/you afraid to discuss and validify why they believe what they believe? Do they lack confidence in their belief system?

We are not talking about "irrefutable truths", I am talking about "beliefs". None of us where present when life was originated so we are all practicing "faith". I don't want anyone to prove me wrong or right, I just want to know 1) if they have thought about the origin of life 2) What do they believe concerning that question 3) What supports their belief system

What is so difficult about that? No, the quantity of people who believe a certain thing does not make it true. But, by the same token it is inappropriate to attack the belief system of millions of people when you are unwilling to discuss your alternative theory.

Well.. duuuuhhh!! *smacks forehead*

Thanks again :)

Brother Excel10K ... when you bring your children, wife, Family, into the discussions ... you make them the topic ... encouraging the discussions to become personal.

We can't protect you from your own self.

If you don't want folk talking about your Family, you should not present them as fodder for these discussions.

Thanks in advance.

:heart:

Destee

I did not bring them into this discussion, A4U did. Talk to her. That is why I asked her what does any of this have to do with the price of tea in Compton. Are you suggesting that because I brought them up many moons ago that they are fodder for all other discussions regardless of relevence to the topic at hand??


BTW, I did not ask for your protection. I asked HER what did it have to do with anything. (The tone here is not intended as "snappy" I just didn't know how to say this in a diplomatic way)

Are you intentionally trying to distort my original post or do you truely not understand it??? I NEVER SUGGESTED THAT YOU EITHER HAD TO GO WITH MY BELIEF SYSTEM OR DARWINISM.

This say's it plain... Adam or Ape? Those two belief systems were, "your" alternatives. Please dont' jump on the bandwagon with concluding what my attempt was, especially when your intent is as clear as day.

Again...


Adam or Ape?

The thread title was "Adam or Ape". As with all "Titles" they are meant to be an attention grabber, to draw more opinions to the table. The narrative or body of the initial post clearly made way for ANY alternative belief system that might explain the origin of life, man, and species.


If the above quote is true, you would have accepted what DSS "initially" told you, but instead you debunked what he said as being not an alternative. Sure, you came back and "somewhat" accepted what he said and I say somewhat because even when you did your acceptance speech to DSS, you still threw in a few monkey wrenches to state that you could not accept what he accepts. The thing is, you are not him, so why would you care?

The point was that even if you wanted to believe neither, I wanted to discuss that as well. It was never an intent to PROVE my belief system as right, but to discuss the various belief systems openly and respectfully. Is that even possible with you?


I can't even answer that question because you have not yourself, begun to explore the the possibilties of that. I gave example of that in my above response, in this post. The example of DSS. If you can't just learn to live and let live, how can anyone discuss variations of anything with you? Now analyze that...

The choices are not limited to evolution or creationism, but I do think a person should know what they believe and why they believe it. If they choose to enter into a discussion of the various theories on the origin of life, they should not just criticise those who believe on theory or another alternative, they should respectfully explain why they beleive what they believe and why they reject any specific alternative they reject.



The above quote is a contradiction because when people tell you why they don't accept Christianity, you take that as being critical towards what you believe. I believe that Astrology is the truth and that it is the ultimate, great truth... but you know what, lot's of people don't feel as I do. I have family members who are Christians and they say I am doing the devils work. I chuckle inside when they say such superstitious things because I don't have a problem with what I believe. In other words, I am firm and steadfast in my belief and don't need people to validate my belief. How firm are you? And do you show how firm you are by action or lip service?


The thing about it is, thsoe same family members won't admit to it but they come to me in secret asking me questions about theri life and wanting me to deal with it from an astrological perspective. As long as I help them by using Astrology and don't say the words Planets, Astrology, signs etc, they will let me proceed in helping them...hehehe


Also most Biblical scholars agree that the first humans were in Africa, this doesn't create a problem for Biblical Chirstianity and presents no need to debunk.

Good then, so you know there were no white people around as the first humans to inhabit this earth and you also know that white people are at the end of the human spectrum. Great, we agree on something.

BTW, I did not ask for your protection. I asked HER what did it have to do with anything. (The tone here is not intended as "snappy" I just didn't know how to say this in a diplomatic way)


Not a suprise to me at all...Very interesting...hahaha

I did not bring them into this discussion, A4U did. Talk to her. That is why I asked her what does any of this have to do with the price of tea in Compton. Are you suggesting that because I brought them up many moons ago that they are fodder for all other discussions regardless of relevence to the topic at hand??


BTW, I did not ask for your protection. I asked HER what did it have to do with anything.

Few things are forgotten around here ... and if you mention it once ... it becomes fodder for any and every subsequent discussion thereafter ... should a Member consider it relative.

The key to this though, is each and every Member has the ability to keep what is personal to themselves, only putting on an open discussion forum, those things they feel comfortable with sharing (and having discussed by others).

If you have no problem with folk talking about your wife and children, using them as fodder for these discussions, then by all means ... continue.

You don't have to ask for our protection, every Member gets it, when deemed necessary.

Our protection is not just for them / you individually, but for the Spirit of this community as well.

Using our children, spouses, parents, as topics of discussion ... can get very ugly ... and we have no choice but to monitor such closely.

Again ... if you want to continue presenting your children and wife as targets ... be my guest.

We will deal with it all accordingly, not letting your presentation of them, or the subsequent responses, reflect negatively on the whole.

:heart:

Destee

Ah, just for the record, I asked excell about the "origins" of his parents in this thread. I didn't ask him anything about his wife and children. Didn't even bring them up.

This is just for the record.:coffee:


Astrologer4U

My bad, I did ask him if he said his kids were as black as he to make a point about African origin.


...hehehe


my bad foreal:donttell:

This say's it plain... Adam or Ape? Those two belief systems were, "your" alternatives. Please dont' jump on the bandwagon with concluding what my attempt was, especially when your intent is as clear as day.

Again...


Adam or Ape?


NO, MY OWN EXACT WORDS SAY'S IT PLAINLY

Adam or Ape?

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Where did we come from, Adam or Ape?

What is the origin of man? Are we created beings and decendents of Adam or are we a chance occurance and decendents of single celled organisms which evolved into apes who in turn evolved into us?

Is there another alternative theory which explains where we all came from???

BASED on the responses so far, there have been no other alternative theory which explains where we all came from. The first two addresses the two most common theories. The third opens the floor for ANY other alternative which explains where we all come from.

The reality is "I don't know" or "We cannot know" IS NOT a theory which explains where we all came from.


If the above quote is true, you would have accepted what DSS "initially" told you, but instead you debunked what he said as being not an alternative. Sure, you came back and "somewhat" accepted what he said and I say somewhat because even when you did your acceptance speech to DSS, you still threw in a few monkey wrenches to state that you could not accept what he accepts. The thing is, you are not him, so why would you care?

As stated, "We cannot know" is not a theory, so it doesn't answer the question. It is an accepted and understandable position.


The above quote is a contradiction because when people tell you why they don't accept Christianity, you take that as being critical towards what you believe. I believe that Astrology is the truth and that it is the ultimate, great truth... but you know what, lot's of people don't feel as I do. I have family members who are Christians and they say I am doing the devils work. I chuckle inside when they say such superstitious things because I don't have a problem with what I believe. In other words, I am firm and steadfast in my belief and don't need people to validate my belief. How firm are you? And do you show how firm you are by action or lip service?

Excellent point. I want to know WHY you believe in Astrology. I don't just want to criticise you for believing in it. I want insight into why the different belief systems exist. Does Astrology offer a theory on the origin of life and man? I don't just want to tell you you are wrong, I want to DISCUSS and understand what leads people to various belief systems.


The thing about it is, thsoe same family members won't admit to it but they come to me in secret asking me questions about theri life and wanting me to deal with it from an astrological perspective. As long as I help them by using Astrology and don't say the words Planets, Astrology, signs etc, they will let me proceed in helping them...hehehe

This is proof that alternative views can sometimes co-exist. If we have an understanding of them. If, on the other hand, you are only willing to throw stones at mine and not explain yours in discussion, that leaves no room for understanding.



Good then, so you know there were no white people around as the first humans to inhabit this earth and you also know that white people are at the end of the human spectrum. Great, we agree on something.

The reality is that race is an evolutionary term. So we agree, but not in the same manner.

Few things are forgotten around here ... and if you mention it once ... it becomes fodder for any and every subsequent discussion thereafter ... should a Member consider it relative.

The key to this though, is each and every Member has the ability to keep what is personal to themselves, only putting on an open discussion forum, those things they feel comfortable with sharing (and having discussed by others).

If you have no problem with folk talking about your wife and children, using them as fodder for these discussions, then by all means ... continue.

You don't have to ask for our protection, every Member gets it, when deemed necessary.

Our protection is not just for them / you individually, but for the Spirit of this community as well.

Using our children, spouses, parents, as topics of discussion ... can get very ugly ... and we have no choice but to monitor such closely.

Again ... if you want to continue presenting your children and wife as targets ... be my guest.

We will deal with it all accordingly, not letting your presentation of them, or the subsequent responses, reflect negatively on the whole.

:heart:

Destee

While I understand you have to enforce the rules, I doesn't bother me at all to discuss my wife and children. They can be used as "fodder". It doesn't bother me at all. I just asked A4U, after answering her question, what in the world does it have to do with anything??? I actually enjoy talking about my peeps.

Dang, I'm mad that I actually answered the question, and then got ignored.

Dang, I'm mad that I actually answered the question, and then got ignored.

Sorry, things have moved quickly. What post #?

Sorry, things have moved quickly. What post #?

Post 44:

According to the teachings of my ancestors and other people on the continent (the original man), mankind did not evolve from apes, we "de-evolved" from "God." Descriptions of the first humans across the African continent often show very Godly beings who could do things that people today only dream of. However, as time goes by, these beings stop knowing that they are Gods and start believing that they are human.

Excellent point. I want to know WHY you believe in Astrology. I don't just want to criticise you for believing in it. I want insight into why the different belief systems exist. Does Astrology offer a theory on the origin of life and man? I don't just want to tell you you are wrong, I want to DISCUSS and understand what leads people to various belief systems.


I already stated what I believed about it so that should explain why I believe in it. Either you got it, or you don't want to get, it or you just missed it. If you missed it, go back and re read it. If you didn't miss it I can't begin to help you understand....



This is proof that alternative views can sometimes co-exist. If we have an understanding of them. If, on the other hand, you are only willing to throw stones at mine and not explain yours in discussion, that leaves no room for understanding.


Did I ever throw stones at you because you are a Christian?

As for understanding other peoples alternatives, what do you really need to understand and why is it important to you?


The reality is that race is an evolutionary term. So we agree, but not in the same manner.

Evolutionary term? You can't have your cake and eat it too, although you will try.:kickball:

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Wow! Now there is an interesting theory. Tell me about some of the things they could do that humans cannot now. Can you direct me or tell me about some of these teachings? Do they address how man came to earth, etc?

Wow! Now there is an interesting theory. Tell me about some of the things they could do that humans cannot now. Can you direct me or tell me about some of these teachings? Do they address how man came to earth, etc?

I attended a lecture by Dr. Fu-Kiau Bunseki, a prominent Kongolese scholar this past summer, and he said that the pyramids of Kamit were built by people moving the rocks with their minds.

While I understand you have to enforce the rules, I doesn't bother me at all to discuss my wife and children. They can be used as "fodder". It doesn't bother me at all. I just asked A4U, after answering her question, what in the world does it have to do with anything??? I actually enjoy talking about my peeps.

As i said above, it's not only about protecting your wife and children from being attacked in these discussions ... but it is also about protecting the character and integrity of this community. It surprises me even, that a man would want his Family being discussed so negatively ... offering them up for such ... and enjoying it.

No matter that you find joy in it, we will not let our discussions sink to such depths.

I don't know what kind of reception you expected, coming to a "Black Web Site" announcing the fact that your wife is white.

Perhaps it was your intent to cause disruption, for a blind man could see that doing as you have, might elicit such a response.

You continue to be at the heart of many disruptions, along with others, and it's not looking good for any of you.

You've all been warned, so at this point all i can say is ... continue at your own risk.

:heart:

Destee

Post 44:

I guess that is what Keita was driving at with the rotten apple thing.

I guess that is what Keita was driving at with the rotten apple thing.

Exactly. Just about all ancient folks believe in things called "ages", and each age has different types of people ruling it. In the Hindu tradition, they call these ages the Yugas. In my tradition, the Igbo, we call them Ugas. In the earliest ages, mankind typically is shown as living like Gods, because that is what they were. And if you start off as a God, you can't go anywhere else but down. So in the following, things like death and disease enter the world. Eventually things get to a point where there wickedness and ignorance rules the world (the Kali Yuga, or the Azi Uga), which is the age we are in presently.

I'm terribly confused...:?:

Where did we come from, Adam or Ape?

What is the origin of man? Are we created beings and decendents of Adam or are we a chance occurance and decendents of single celled organisms which evolved into apes who in turn evolved into us?

Is there another alternative theory which explains where we all came from???

Someone has already stated that we "devolved". With that being said, I'll leave you with this.

"Theogony recapitulates embryogeny".

Check out the following links:
http://theblackgod.com/E=mc(2).pdf
http://theblackgod.com/Truth%20of%20God.pdf
http://theblackgod.com/Bible_Quran_Black_God.pdf

I would also recommend that you purchase "Book of God: An Encyclopedia of proof that the Black man is God" and "Truth of God: The Bible, the Qu'ran, and Point #12"

I went to one of my other threads to bring this over. This is from the thread called "creation or evolution" which is the same as "adam or ape". I find it strange that the same question is being asked with a twist on it...lol



Here's the deal. The answer to these questions and issues cover several fields. One must be well studied in world religions and scriptures as well as world mythology. One must be well studied in biology, anthropology, science, history and metaphysics. Why so?...because it would take all of these things or a knowledge base of them to tie all the pieces together. Fortunately I am in that position and in being in that position I equally understand the ramifications of trying to continue this in a "forum setting". It simply would not work. To even attempt to do so would be to invite too many tandems from the less informed, the highly opinionated, the die hard religionist and the un-scientific thinkers that would throw the entire discussion off base.

Someone mentioned "evolution and creation...but there is another issue not considered here and that is "devolution". This simply means that we started from a higher life form physically and spiritually and over time have devolved or become lesser than what we began as. In explaining this I want to say that both concepts of "creation and evolution" in terms of how we got here are wrong. To make it simple I could say that "the word manifested as flesh" is how we got here but even that requires a scientific breakdown so that we understand how the invisible became visible and what our relationship to the invisible is.

I could say that the first manifestation was androgynous or feminine with the ability to procreate without the need of an external life form...thus the worlds oldest story of the "virgin birth". Over time this original manifestation began to devolve to the point where there was a separation of the sexes from the initial one. At this point the original devolved manifestation was no longer able to create from itself and required the aid of the external manifestation in order to procreate. Of course we would have to discuss what caused this devolution to take place as well as other factors....but all of that is another story which would cause this thread to digress. The point is that the original life form was feminine as we would define it.

I'm terribly confused...:?:i stand corrected; this is the most insightful comment in this entire thread.

eventually, mankind will recognize the wisdom in saying "i don't know" and move on to living in the world as it is (or should have been without man's infinitesimal wisdom) today.

but let me not divert you from your diversions ... :(

(nipping in the bud time: i've been saying it for over three years, but it just keeps getting ignored.)

i stand corrected; this is the most insightful comment in this entire thread.

eventually, mankind will recognize the wisdom in saying "i don't know" and move on to living in the world as it is (or should have been without man's infinitesimal wisdom) today.

but let me not divert you from your diversions ... :(

(nipping in the bud time: i've been saying it for over three years, but it just keeps getting ignored.)



Actually Anafrican, the subject of this topic is not at all what I was refering to, but thanks any way.

I went to one of my other threads to bring this over. This is from the thread called "creation or evolution" which is the same as "adam or ape". I find it strange that the same question is being asked with a twist on it...lol

Here's the deal. The answer to these questions and issues cover several fields. One must be well studied in world religions and scriptures as well as world mythology. One must be well studied in biology, anthropology, science, history and metaphysics. Why so?...because it would take all of these things or a knowledge base of them to tie all the pieces together. Fortunately I am in that position and in being in that position I equally understand the ramifications of trying to continue this in a "forum setting". It simply would not work. To even attempt to do so would be to invite too many tandems from the less informed, the highly opinionated, the die hard religionist and the un-scientific thinkers that would throw the entire discussion off base.

I appreciate you providing the additional details and the good faith effort to substantiate your belief system rather than just denounce mine. (Although you did in fact denounce mine, but that is fine. At least we have a discussion.
I only have one degree. It is not in any of the disciplines you have mentioned. Unless you have a degree in all of these fields, we will just have to assume we are equally qualified to discuss the issue at hand as we have no way of measuring who is "well studied" and who is not.

My intent is not to prove nor disprove your nor my belief, but to understand the various belief systems. The latter part of the above statement really sounds suspiciously like a diversion tactic as a fall back to declare one "less informed" if they don't accept your declaration of one theory as "incorrect" and your theory as FACT based on your word alone.


Someone mentioned "evolution and creation...but there is another issue not considered here and that is "devolution". This simply means that we started from a higher life form physically and spiritually and over time have devolved or become lesser than what we began as. In explaining this I want to say that both concepts of "creation and evolution" in terms of how we got here are wrong. To make it simple I could say that "the word manifested as flesh" is how we got here but even that requires a scientific breakdown so that we understand how the invisible became visible and what our relationship to the invisible is.

OK, so questions of this type should include "devolution" in addition to "creation" and "evolution". I am very familiar with the supposed scientific break down of both "evolution" and "creation" but I also want to understand the scientific breakdown of "devolution". In my selecting what is right for me, I eliminated "evolution" as a viable option based upon the scientific breakdown.

I am of the opinion that any and all beliefs, if true, can withstand challenges and doubt if one approach it with a sincere desire for truth rather than an agenda.


I could say that the first manifestation was androgynous or feminine with the ability to procreate without the need of an external life form...thus the worlds oldest story of the "virgin birth". Over time this original manifestation began to devolve to the point where there was a separation of the sexes from the initial one. At this point the original devolved manifestation was no longer able to create from itself and required the aid of the external manifestation in order to procreate. Of course we would have to discuss what caused this devolution to take place as well as other factors....but all of that is another story which would cause this thread to digress. The point is that the original life form was feminine as we would define it.

Is there scientific support for the existence of a form of life that is feminine with the ability to self-procreate? Where did that form of life come from? Who or what guides/controls the devolution of life? I don't think it would be a digression to discuss what caused this devolution to take place. In "devolution" theory, do animals devolve also? Who created animals and plants? Who created the earth? Where did all of this, all of us come from in the first place?

Both you and I have eliminated evolution as bogus. You have also eliminated "creation" as " the biggest bunch of bs you have ever read". I must admit that without a scientific breakdown, "devolution" on the surface appears as "the biggest bunch of bologna I have ever read" as well. But, I want to understand it. Are their scientific studies that support "devolution"? I understand the laws of thermodynamics and the fact that things universally are winding down, moving from order to disorder....but that obviously is a quantum leap from us begining as Gods or even us begining as females with the ability to self-procreate.

The scientific break-down of the devolution theory is cructial to my understanding of it. I understand you may not want to "teach" me the entire theory, but I do ask that you give me the outline of scientific support for the theory and a direction I can go to research it further. Please don't give me a set of encyclopedias to read and say "read this and you will believe like me". I would appreciate it if you would simply give me the general proof that supports devolution and secific concepts I can research and if available, studies that support those concepts. Any and all information would be appreciated.

Exactly. Just about all ancient folks believe in things called "ages", and each age has different types of people ruling it. In the Hindu tradition, they call these ages the Yugas. In my tradition, the Igbo, we call them Ugas. In the earliest ages, mankind typically is shown as living like Gods, because that is what they were. And if you start off as a God, you can't go anywhere else but down. So in the following, things like death and disease enter the world. Eventually things get to a point where there wickedness and ignorance rules the world (the Kali Yuga, or the Azi Uga), which is the age we are in presently.

:welldone:

As I said earlier, this is a subject that a forum setting can not think about entertaining. There are too many aspects to delve into and I can write about all the ramifications on this for a whole year before reaching a point where we can seriously dialog. As stated earlier by Onyemobi, we did indeed start off as Gods. There was a point in time when we were "breathatarians"...meaning that we did not have to eat. As we devolved or degenerated we became fruitarians, then degenerated to vegetarians and then degenerated to meat eaters. With each level of devolution or degeneration our lifespan degenerated with it.

Man/woman is the only life form that requires a cup, bowl or container to drink water. Anatomically we are not built to drink water as the animals are. research will unveil that at one time we did not drink water...we didn't have to. Even when we degenerated to fruitarians we didn't drink water....for the body is 3/4ths water and so is fruit. So a person on a fruitarian diet would be consuming from the fruit the exact ratio that his/her body is comprised of and the nutrients as well. We equally have to take environment in consideration as that is a factor as well. We have to know how the change in the earth affected things as well. We would have to understand the science of transformation...of manifestation... of the invisible becoming visible. In other words, there was never a time when we as Black people did not exist. We keep looking for a God outside of ourselves without understanding that we are it in a devolved condition physically speaking. But before we devolved how were we? Where is the proof that we devolved? It's found in world myths, world religions and in science itself. We want to know about sex separation and many issues that realistically does us no good to know. What we should want to know, we don't want to know.

We should be wanting to know and re-establish a system and knowledge base that will allow us to manifest our true reality...and this is obviously something that we can not do as long as white people can hear, learn or know what we are up to...cause they would darn sure seek to destroy it in a heartbeat.We want to phantom realities that we can measure and put on a scale and see because that's how white people do it...but the fact of the matter is that reality can not be measured and weighed out on a scale. I don't trust no Afripeans any more than Europeans cause the Afripean is simply a black face with a white mind.

You want to know how we can heal by touch, how we can move objects with our minds, how we can see into the future, how we can telepathically speak?....sorry people, white people and people who think like them can not weigh these things or measure them under a microscope and so the mysteries of who we really are/were/and can be will remain a mystery. As I said earlier, I can not do this in a forum as Excel 10 and others might like so I just have to end this where it's at until I'm more stable to do so. These issues are last on my list as we are headed into an economic condition close to "physical survival" as the devil plays his games that we are caught up in.

As I said earlier, this is a subject that a forum setting can not think about entertaining. There are too many aspects to delve into and I can write about all the ramifications on this for a whole year before reaching a point where we can seriously dialog. As stated earlier by Onyemobi, we did indeed start off as Gods. There was a point in time when we were "breathatarians"...meaning that we did not have to eat. As we devolved or degenerated we became fruitarians, then degenerated to vegetarians and then degenerated to meat eaters. With each level of devolution or degeneration our lifespan degenerated with it.

Man/woman is the only life form that requires a cup, bowl or container to drink water. Anatomically we are not built to drink water as the animals are. research will unveil that at one time we did not drink water...we didn't have to. Even when we degenerated to fruitarians we didn't drink water....for the body is 3/4ths water and so is fruit. So a person on a fruitarian diet would be consuming from the fruit the exact ratio that his/her body is comprised of and the nutrients as well. We equally have to take environment in consideration as that is a factor as well. We have to know how the change in the earth affected things as well. We would have to understand that the science of transformation...of manifestation... of the invisible becoming visible. In other words, there was never a time when we as Black people did not exist. We keep looking for a God outside of ourselves without understanding that we are it in a devolved condition physically speaking. But before we devolved how were we? Where is the proof that we devolved? It's found in world myths, world religions and in science itself. We want to know about sex separation and many issues that realistically does us no good to know. What we should want to know we don't ant to know.

We should be wanting to know and re-establish a system and knowledge base that will allow us to manifest our true reality...and this is obviously something that we can not do as long as white people can hear, learn or know what we are up to...cause they would darn sure seek to destroy it in a heartbeat.We want to phantom realities that we can measure and put on a scale and see because that's how white people do it...but the fact of the matter is that reality can not be measured and weighed out on a scale. I don't trust no Afripeans any more than Europeans cause the Afripean is simply a black face with a white mind.

You want to know how we can heal by touch, how we can move objects with our minds, how we can see into the future, how we can telepathically speak?....sorry people, white people and people who think like them can not weigh these things or measure them under a microscope and so the mysteries of who we really are/were/and can be will remain a mystery. As I said earlier, I can not do this in a forum as Excel 10 and others might like so I just have to end this where it's at until I'm more stable to do so. These issues are last on my list as we are headed into an economic condition close to "physical survival" as the devil plays his games that we are caught up in.

:great:

As i said above, it's not only about protecting your wife and children from being attacked in these discussions ... but it is also about protecting the character and integrity of this community. It surprises me even, that a man would want his Family being discussed so negatively ... offering them up for such ... and enjoying it.

No matter that you find joy in it, we will not let our discussions sink to such depths.

I don't know what kind of reception you expected, coming to a "Black Web Site" announcing the fact that your wife is white.

Perhaps it was your intent to cause disruption, for a blind man could see that doing as you have, might elicit such a response.

You continue to be at the heart of many disruptions, along with others, and it's not looking good for any of you.

You've all been warned, so at this point all i can say is ... continue at your own risk.

:heart:

Destee

I did not come here and say "Hi, my name is Excel, my wife is white". Someone asked the specific question "Is your wife white?". So, there was no concealment of the fact, but there certainly was no "announcement". The reception I receive for answering a specific question is not my fault. I am just doing what free people do...make a choice that works for me. I don't need the approval of the greater Black community. You can't please all of the people all of the time, anyway.

The only disruption is from people who feel it is their paragative or right to cast judgement upon me for not making the choice they would have approved of. The only time I have mentioned my family is in manners that has nothing to do with their race or in response to specific questions or comments. There is no fault in either of those situations, it is not mine. Some folks simply need to recognize that THEY are being a disruption when they make an issue out of MY personal choices.

excell, stop playing victim and please quit it with the whinning. I for one has not said anything derogatory, about your wife and children.

As a matter a fact, with the exception of one person, I can honestly say that everyone has been respectful towards your family and has not said anything negative about them. Things about you have been said, but not about your family.

As I said earlier, this is a subject that a forum setting can not think about entertaining. There are too many aspects to delve into and I can write about all the ramifications on this for a whole year before reaching a point where we can seriously dialog. As stated earlier by Onyemobi, we did indeed start off as Gods. There was a point in time when we were "breathatarians"...meaning that we did not have to eat. As we devolved or degenerated we became fruitarians, then degenerated to vegetarians and then degenerated to meat eaters. With each level of devolution or degeneration our lifespan degenerated with it.

Man/woman is the only life form that requires a cup, bowl or container to drink water. Anatomically we are not built to drink water as the animals are. research will unveil that at one time we did not drink water...we didn't have to. Even when we degenerated to fruitarians we didn't drink water....for the body is 3/4ths water and so is fruit. So a person on a fruitarian diet would be consuming from the fruit the exact ratio that his/her body is comprised of and the nutrients as well. We equally have to take environment in consideration as that is a factor as well. We have to know how the change in the earth affected things as well. We would have to understand the science of transformation...of manifestation... of the invisible becoming visible. In other words, there was never a time when we as Black people did not exist. We keep looking for a God outside of ourselves without understanding that we are it in a devolved condition physically speaking. But before we devolved how were we? Where is the proof that we devolved? It's found in world myths, world religions and in science itself. We want to know about sex separation and many issues that realistically does us no good to know. What we should want to know, we don't want to know.

We should be wanting to know and re-establish a system and knowledge base that will allow us to manifest our true reality...and this is obviously something that we can not do as long as white people can hear, learn or know what we are up to...cause they would darn sure seek to destroy it in a heartbeat.We want to phantom realities that we can measure and put on a scale and see because that's how white people do it...but the fact of the matter is that reality can not be measured and weighed out on a scale. I don't trust no Afripeans any more than Europeans cause the Afripean is simply a black face with a white mind.

You want to know how we can heal by touch, how we can move objects with our minds, how we can see into the future, how we can telepathically speak?....sorry people, white people and people who think like them can not weigh these things or measure them under a microscope and so the mysteries of who we really are/were/and can be will remain a mystery. As I said earlier, I can not do this in a forum as Excel 10 and others might like so I just have to end this where it's at until I'm more stable to do so. These issues are last on my list as we are headed into an economic condition close to "physical survival" as the devil plays his games that we are caught up in.

You have basically made a string of claims that on the surface sound about as credible as the theory of Evolution. I truely do appreciate you providing this information, as it is the very first time I have heard some of this and appreciate the insight. As I mentioned, "on the surface" it sounds less than credible, but i truely want to look deeper than the surface. I previously asked for scientific support of the theory of Devolution and none was provided in this series of claims.

You did well in giving me the basic outline of your theory. That part was exactly what I requested. I also requested the basics of the scientific breakdown and support for the theory which you did not provide. I would appreciate it if, when time permits you could put me on track as to where to begin researching the probability of such a theory.

Insomuch as the economic conditions, you and I are probably in close agreement on. I have been preparing for this since about the year 2000. (Not Y2K, I did not buy into that) I have feared economic collaspe of the U.S. since then. I practice debt free living, grow much of my own food, and own cattle for food and for sale (tax advantage business). My 7 sons all know how to use rifles and shotguns in case survival does become "physical". They can hunt and they can also defend against aggressors who might want to make "our" substanance "their" substanance.

excell, You are asking people to scientifically prove their belief system and you have not scientifically proved yours for Adam and Eve, on the basis of Christianity, for which you are a Christian.

I guess my post just got ignored.

I think this may be an answer- or perhaps a customary nod of acknowledgment similar to what Onyemobi received would suffice ;)


I do ask that you give me the outline of scientific support for the theory and a direction I can go to research it further. Please don't give me a set of encyclopedias to read and say "read this and you will believe like me". I would appreciate it if you would simply give me the general proof that supports devolution and secific concepts I can research and if available, studies that support those concepts.

I guess my post just got ignored.

Your post got ignored because you offered links for excell to go and read. News flash! excell does not accept sources, he does not go and read anything, although he plays like he would. I remember giving him a source that would help him understand what was going on in the Sudan. He told me that I can't just give someone something to read, that at least I would have to point out to him what part he should be reading. I came back and posted a very important part from the source for him to read and guess what....he went right over it and to this day, he still has not responded.

I think this may be an answer- or perhaps a customary nod of acknowledgment similar to what Onyemobi received would suffice ;)


this is the response he gave to Onyemobi...

Wow! Now there is an interesting theory. Tell me about some of the things they could do that humans cannot now. Can you direct me or tell me about some of these teachings? Do they address how man came to earth, etc?



He got the outline so why is he still asking for more:?:

Your post got ignored because you offered links for excell to go and read. News flash! excell does not accept sources, he does not go and read anything, although he plays like he would. I remember giving him a source that would help him understand what was going on in the Sudan. He told me that I can't just give someone something to read, that at least I would have to point out to him what part he should be reading. I came back and posted a very important part from the source for him to read and guess what....he went right over it and to this day, he still has not responded.
I provided those sources because they were written by an African American professor who graduated with a PhD from the University of Michigan, in Islamic Studies. Furthermore, this individual provided the scientific proof for the devolution "theory" that many people are here advocating.

I provided those sources because they were written by an African American professor who graduated with a PhD from the University of Michigan, in Islamic Studies. Furthermore, this individual provided the scientific proof for the devolution "theory" that many people are here advocating.


Dear, I understand why you provided the information you provided but what you need to understand is, why you provided what you provided, is neither here nor there. Any how, good luck with providing sources for people who ignore them.:ooops:

excell, You are asking people to scientifically prove their belief system and you have not scientifically proved yours for Adam and Eve, on the basis of Christianity, for which you are a Christian.

No, he emphasized the importance of the scientific breakdown. I am merely asking him to point me in the direction that I can begin to look at the breakdown he emphasized as important. It is nothing less than what I would expect and be willing to do if asked.

If you have a specific question about the scientific breakdown of biblical creation, let me know. Generally, the things I would point to are the age of the earth, the vast evidence of the worldwide flood, the intricacies of the human body, the laws of thermodynamics, the fossil records, anthropology, etc. etc. etc.

I have no problem going into the scientific support for my belief system. Do understand that scientific support is not unquestionable and therefore, we call it "faith" or a "belief" because we were not present and we cannot scientifically duplicate "Creation".

No, he emphasized the importance of the scientific breakdown. I am merely asking him to point me in the direction that I can begin to look at the breakdown he emphasized as important. It is nothing less than what I would expect and be willing to do if asked.

If you have a specific question about the scientific breakdown of biblical creation, let me know. Generally, the things I would point to are the age of the earth, the vast evidence of the worldwide flood, the intricacies of the human body, the laws of thermodynamics, the fossil records, anthropology, etc. etc. etc.

I have no problem going into the scientific support for my belief system. Do understand that scientific support is not unquestionable and therefore, we call it "faith" or a "belief" because we were not present and we cannot scientifically duplicate "Creation".

Keita gave you some scientific support, you are asking him to fully provide scientific support and he told you why he was not going to. When one really craves or has hunger for something, one does not ask for anything to be given to him. One will work for what he craves instead of asking for handouts. You have been generously, given your outline. So, why don't you go and do the rest for yourself? That is, if you are really hungry.

Also, if you wanted to be fair, you would have offered up your scientific support for your belief system first, so that people could respond with offering up why their belief system debunks yours etc. That is usually how a fair and honest discussion begins.

If you don't want to waste time putting in the effort to write up long drabbed post about your scientific support, how can you expect someone else to invest that kind of time into helping you understand? Particularly when you claim to want people to...one of your most famous quotes... "Help me understand" :1on1:

I did not come here and say "Hi, my name is Excel, my wife is white". Someone asked the specific question "Is your wife white?". So, there was no concealment of the fact, but there certainly was no "announcement". The reception I receive for answering a specific question is not my fault. I am just doing what free people do...make a choice that works for me. I don't need the approval of the greater Black community. You can't please all of the people all of the time, anyway.

The only disruption is from people who feel it is their paragative or right to cast judgement upon me for not making the choice they would have approved of. The only time I have mentioned my family is in manners that has nothing to do with their race or in response to specific questions or comments. There is no fault in either of those situations, it is not mine. Some folks simply need to recognize that THEY are being a disruption when they make an issue out of MY personal choices.

Brother Excel10K ... sometimes, when certain topics or revelations are presented, disruptive energy accompanies it. The community has gotten better over the years, responding less agitated to the pushing of such buttons, but it still happens on occasion. When it does, regardless of the fact that it is rarely the "messengers" fault alone, they usually pay the price for the breaking of our peace.

It's not personal, as we seek only to end the disruptive energy, one way or another.

In an effort to do that, i asked for your help. I asked you not to respond to those who are clearly at odds with you. I asked you to not bring your Family into the discussions. I asked you to recognize that you are in fact a part of the disruption ... and you're not hearing me ... so i've got to try something different.

Your Membership has been suspended for 2 weeks (http://destee.com/forums/showthread.php?t=31792).

You're welcome to return after this time, and if the same disruption continues, you'll be banned permanently.

Much Love and Peace.

:heart:

Destee

excell, stop playing victim and please quit it with the whinning. I for one has not said anything derogatory, about your wife and children.

As a matter a fact, with the exception of one person, I can honestly say that everyone has been respectful towards your family and has not said anything negative about them. Things about you have been said, but not about your family.

Sister Astrologer4U ... i don't understand why you insist on being a part of this disruption. You continually fan the flames, refusing to ignore this Brother, making the discussions personal, remaining right in the middle of everything ... making yourself look like the disruption ... telling him to stop, when it doesn't appear you can. You've been repeatedly warned, yet you continue doing the same. I don't understand it, but if you want to be all in it with him, so be it.

Your Membership has been suspended for 2 weeks (http://destee.com/forums/showthread.php?t=31792).

You're welcome to return after this time, and if the disruption continues, you'll be banned permanently.

Much Love and Peace.

:heart:

Destee

they probably exchanged yahoo im addresses
so that they can fight during these 2 weeks also...lol
smh...simply ignoring someone does wonders...please advise

one love
khasm

sookie sookie now...

Our ancestors never taught about man coming from ape,they know about the origin of the universe,they had knowledge of the cosmos,they described stars that yt discovered just the other day with their billion dollars telescope...

So if we came from ape,i think they will tell us about this....

Our ancestors never taught about man coming from ape,they know about the origin of the universe,they had knowledge of the cosmos,they described stars that yt discovered just the other day with their billion dollars telescope...

So if we came from ape,i think they will tell us about this....




Seneb My Friend,
:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

Wholeheartedly I agree with your position taken of our ancestors, and their anti-Ape (anti-evolutionary) stance illustrated with broad and divergent views of creation myths, alone. However, we have some Africans that strangely espouse the idea of evolution, and this I find alarming!

they probably exchanged yahoo im addresses
so that they can fight during these 2 weeks also...lol
smh...simply ignoring someone does wonders...please advise

one love
khasm


It's seems that at least on two occasions, you seem to be available to indirectly make, not so positive comments towards me. I really don't appreciate that, particularly being that you have never introduced yourself to me, nor have you had anything nice to say to me. I conclude that you have never said anything positively and directly towards me, because you don't know me and don't care to know me... We can agree that this goes both ways. To sum things up, this is direct, not indirect... If that is you in the avatar, I suggest that you see someone about that brown spot on your nose. We wouldn't want that to be something, that could be contagious. :11600:



@Destee

I will never believe that I was disruptive in any way form or fashion, particularly sense there are no links to post I have made, to prove it. With that said...Thanks for giving me no choice but to take some time off. I really needed it. The time off helped me to purge my self, of my addiction. Happy belated birthday and happy belated 2009.



Sister


Astrologer4U

Welcome back Astrologer4U.

@Destee

I will never believe that I was disruptive in any way form or fashion, particularly sense there are no links to post I have made, to prove it. With that said...Thanks for giving me no choice but to take some time off. I really needed it. The time off helped me to purge my self, of my addiction. Happy belated birthday and happy belated 2009.



Sister


Astrologer4U

Sister Astrologer4U ... you don't have to believe that you are, or have been, disruptive.

Your not believing it, may explain why you've returned doing basically the same stuff, insuring the same results (suspension / banned).

You have posted to most every thread Brother Excel10K has ever created since he joined us, bringing them all back to the top ... even those created before you joined us ... spamming them all with a link to your assessment of him personally / astrologically. The topics of those threads have nothing to do with Brother Excel10K personally or astrologically. It seems like you're obsessed with him. He's not even posted since the suspension, but here you are, right back on top of him.

Michelle Rhee Chancellor, District of Columbia Public Schools
http://destee.com/forums/showpost.php?p=565551&postcount=45

What do we Ultimately and Collectively Want?
http://destee.com/forums/showpost.php?p=565556&postcount=155

Help me understand "racism"
http://destee.com/forums/showpost.php?p=565555&postcount=216

Modern Day Harriet Tubman
http://destee.com/forums/showpost.php?p=565549&postcount=21

The Civil Responsibility Movement Launching 21 January 2008
http://destee.com/forums/showpost.php?p=565553&postcount=27

I will be deleting all of the posts above (duplicates / spam), leaving the one below, where it is actually relevant to the discussion:

Self Consciousness Through Astrology
http://destee.com/forums/showpost.php?p=565548&postcount=207

You are being warned ... again (and possibly for the last time) ... about being disruptive.

1. Cross posting ... posting the same information in duplicate threads ... is not allowed.

2. Thread hijacking ... intentionally taking threads off topic ... is something you've already been warned about.

3. Making discussions personal ... failing to stay focused on the topic, choosing rather to make the Member the topic ... is also something you've already been warned about.

Again, you don't have to believe you are being disruptive, but as long as you're here, you are subject to our determination of such.

Happy New Year and Happy Birthday to you as well.

Much Love and Peace.

:heart:

Destee

If I am obsessed with anything, it would be Assssssstroooooology

Good day to you too Destee...

You seem to be holding a grudge against me Sis. I apologize for whatever I have done that you can't seem to get over it, and therefore you continue to post false labels on me and continue to threaten me with a total banned...


You got me all wrong, you have misunderstood me tremendously, and that is a sad thing being that this is a black site where We Black People Are About Loving, Encouraging, Embracing, Teaching and Building With Black People. No Hate Allowed...

Destee, where did I go wrong in promoting these things here at your lovely site? Help me to understand before you recklessly punish me by getting rid of me for good. I think it is only fair that you help me to understand where I went wrong if you wish to help me grow. I know that I am not perfect at all and I don't claim to be, If I am to grow, I need to understand my faults through other peoples eyes. I need to understand how people objectvely view me as well cause I'm on the inside looking out. Yes, Astrology is my thing and I am very good at it but even Astrologers need help with working towards a better self. Astrologers spend so much time on everyone else, believe it or not, they too can forget about themsleves and what they need to work towards. You being a Capricorn like myself, I am sure you can understand this. So again, before you get rid of me, please help me to understand what your problem is with me? Give me the benefit of your doubt before you crush me for good.:smash:

After all, isn't real love for our people unconditional?



Astrologer4U

Where did we come from, Adam or Ape?

What is the origin of man? Are we created beings and decendents of Adam or are we a chance occurance and decendents of single celled organisms which evolved into apes who in turn evolved into us?

Is there another alternative theory which explains where we all came from???


Problems with the Darwinian Mechanism


The Problem of the Obvious
The question of evolution versus creation is fundamentally about this question: Is life the result of random chance, or is life the result of specific intelligent design for a purpose, by a magnificent Creator?

On a very elementary level, one is faced with the obvious—that there at least appears to be intelligent design. Order and design surround us. Famous evolutionist Richard Dawkins in his 1986 book The Blind Watchmaker acknowledges this problem when he admits, "Biology is the study of complicated things that give the appearance of having been designed for a purpose." (7, pg. 76)

When looking at rocks near the bank of a stream one can obviously tell the difference between a rock that has been randomly formed by the erosion of sand and water, and an arrowhead. One is the product of natural processes; the other is the product of intelligent design.

If one asks an evolutionist if the watch he is wearing created itself, he will say no. Such a conclusion is obvious. But biological systems are vastly more complex than a watch. It should be equally obvious that a hand, or an eye, or even an amoeba must be designed.

Likewise, when one sees a bird's nest, everyone naturally assumes that there is a bird that built it. The existence of a computer demands a computer designer. Creation demands a creator.....




http://www.faithfacts.org/evolution-or-creation/origins-and-silly-putty/darwinian-mechanism-problems

narcissism and neuroticism unleashed.

I haven't seen this thread in almost a Year. Had Cherry waited 3 more days to bump this thread up, it would have been a year since I posted to it...LOL

What's even more interesting is, we are now in a Mercury Retrograde and when this thread took place, we were in a Mercury retrograde, Destee's site went down (a Mercury retrograde occurence) and no one could sign in to post anything for about two weeks I think it was.


For those of you who don't believe in Astrology, the start of this thread, and the pause of this thread taking place last year on 1-11-2009 to the restart of this thread today on Destees birthday, which happens to be a Mercury retrograde day, is living proof living proof that Astrology is not something to be taken lightly. I am sure that we will see more proofs of Astrology taking place here at Destee.com. All the current ruckus taking place at Destee.com right now, is the result of Mercury retrograde. I know one thing for sure, Destee is happy the site didn't go down again like it did last year.


Dates for Mercury Retrograde...http://destee.com/forums/showthread.php?t=57799


:em2300:Destee, you not gone get rid of me after revisiting this thread are ya?






Astrologer4U

I was wondering why dude was asked was his wife a white woman, very interesting :SuN049:

Where did we come from, Adam or Ape?

What is the origin of man? Are we created beings and decendents of Adam or are we a chance occurance and decendents of single celled organisms which evolved into apes who in turn evolved into us?

Is there another alternative theory which explains where we all came from???

we came from a black hole, my ancestors on my native american side, teaches we're one with everything, and one with the tru creator

I was wondering why dude was asked was his wife a white woman, very interesting :SuN049:

Oh, you read that thread? LOL that was a hellava comedy wasn't it? Can you bump it up cuz I can't find it...hahaha... I forget the name of that thread.


Astrologer4U

Oh, you read that thread? LOL that was a hellava comedy wasn't it? Can you bump it up cuz I can't find it...hahaha... I forget the name of that thread.


Astrologer4U

http://destee.com/forums/showpost.php?p=624787&postcount=287

NOW MAWU CREATED ALL THE ANIMALS. BUT THEY HAD NO NAMES AS YET. MAWU SAID, " A LITTLE LATER I WILL GIVE YOU EACH A NAME. IN ORDER TO GIVE YOU A NAME, THOUGH, YOU MUST WORK THE CLAY FOR ME" FOR MAWU HAD NOT FINISHED MAKING ALL THE CREATURES SHE WANTED TO MAKE, AND SHE NEEDED THIS CLAY OUT OF WHICH TO MOLD THEM.


THEY BEGAN TO WORK THE CLAY. MAWU SAID TO WHAT IS NOW MONKEY "AS YOU HAVE FIVE FINGERS ON EACH HAND, IF YOU WORK WELL, I WILL PUT YOU AMONG MEN, INSTEAD OF AMONG THE ANIMALS".

WHEN MAWU SAID THIS TO HIM, THE ANIMAL WHO IS NOW MONKEY BOASTED BEFORE ALL THE ANIMALS "WELL ME!.... NOW TOMORROW, I WONT BE AMONG YOU ANIMALS. I'LL BECOME A MAN."

FIRST HE TOLD THIS TO LION, THEN TO THE HYENA, THEN TO THE ELEPHANT AND THEN HE CALLED EACH ANIMAL IN TURN AND SAID HE HAD A SECRET TO TELL HIM.WHEN THEY CAME, HE TOLD THEM THE SAME THING.

NOW MONKEY WAS SO BUSY TELLING THIS, AND CLAPPING HIS HANDS WITH JOY AT HIS FATE THAT HE DIDNT DO NO WORK AT ALL.

NOW, WHILE THE ANIMALS WAS WORKING, MAWU CAME TO SEE WHAT THEY WAS DOING SHE CAME TO OBSERVE THOSE WHO WAS WORKING WELL, THOSE WHO WAS LAZY. AS MAWU APPROACHED, SHE SAW THAT THE ANIMAL CALLED MONKEY WAS HAPPIER THAN THE OTHERS. HE CONTINUED TO SING, CLAPPING HIS HANDS, "TOMORROW I CHANGE INTO A MAN, MAWU HERSELF TOLD ME THAT."

MAWU HEARD THIS. SHE ORDERED HIM TO COME TO HER. SHE THEN KICKED HIM AND SAID, "YOU WILL ALWAYS BE MONKEY. YOU WILL NEVER WALK ERECT."

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Actually, that's not the thread where it was originally exposed that his wife was white. The link you gave me was after it was exposed that his wife was white. He never answered the question so 360 was following him around trying to get him to admit to it, that's what you read in that link. Any way, having Excel around was the good ole days. Miss ya Excel but I know you still lurk...hahaha


Astrologer4U

Actually, that's not the thread where it was originally exposed that his wife was white. The link you gave me was after it was exposed that his wife was white. He never answered the question so 360 was following him around trying to get him to admit to it, that's what you read in that link. Any way, having Excel around was the good ole days. Miss ya Excel but I know you still lurk...hahaha


Astrologer4U


He may not be "lurking" at all....He may actually be here. :em2700: