http://www.wilsonsalmanac.com/images2/planets_nasa1.jpg

I wanted to make a separate thread to expound on some the conversations on the "Running Numbers" thread -that way, we can compartmentalize this one point:

We've heard the term "there is power in numbers" and usually we are talking about the power of groups, unions and communities to organize and fight against something. But in this case, we are speaking about numerology and the zodiac- the 9 planets to be precise.

Now. "Black Power" -something we've been discussing recently in a multitude of threads, is magnetism, the ability to absorb from long distances-remotely, even beyond dimensions themselves. Again. This is why the "Black power" fist is really the symbol of an antenna held up about the head. Such power can translate into many different things, our numbers as well as the planets that correspond to them, would help us- somewhat- to pin-point what our exact power is and how we should be training to utilize it.

This should be interesting, if not entertaining to say the least. Keep in mind, we are not dealing with personality, destiny numbers, characteristics etc., that both numerology and astrology are known for. We are speaking about power and where we can draw our power from.

For now we will only deal with the Earth day, even though it's possible to extract a "power number" as detailed in the "Running Numbers" thread and use that as well to direct certain types of energy.

http://www.notablebiographies.com/images/uewb_07_img0452.jpg
"I live like a man who's already dead," Malcolm X

Ancestor Malcolm X was born on May 19, 1925. His earth day number is: 1+9=1

Based on this Malcolm's ruling planet for his Earth day is the Sun. Calculate your Earth day and find out what Planet rules over that day using the list below.

1. Sun (Leo/Aries) 2. Moon (Cancer) 3. Jupiter (Pisces/Sagittarius)
4. Uranus (Aquarius) 5. Mercury (Gemini/Virgo) 6. Venus (Taurus/Libra)
7. Neptune (Pisces/Cancer) 8. Saturn (Capricorn) 9. Mars. (Aries/Scorpio)

Ancestor Malcolm X's "Black power" is drawn from the Sun. Is that surprising? Not at all. So if you were born on the 1st, 10th, 19th or 28th of any month you also draw your power from the Sun.

Sun Gods and Goddesses have always been strong leaders, which is why all leadership, political and spirituality is derived from the Sun Gods our Ancient Ancestors.

Now we know Malcolm X was a Taurus, but it's always very interesting when someone as the same planet ruling their Earth day as well as their astrological sign. Don't worry, it's actually very normal not to have matching planets. If Malcolm was a Leo or Aries for example, that might be too much Sun perhaps. Venus helped him to be a loving and compassionate leader as well. But since we are talking about "power" and not "personality" it's clear that Malcolm's power was drawn from the Sun-like Superman.

http://z.about.com/d/politicalhumor/1/7/c/z/1/obama_super_obama.jpg
(side note: Why is Obama and Wife on myspace? http://www.myspace.com/barackobama, http://www.myspace.com/michelleobama)

But just out of curiosity, I've heard the theories behind the relationship between Malcolm X and soon to be President- Barack Obama.
We are "told" (because ~those in the know~ often lie about their exact day of birth) that President Obama was born on: Aug. 4, 1961 so his power is drawn from Uranus. So while Leo is a Sun sign- which is good for leadership "personality" wise, his real power is drawn from...wait a minute here..Uranus is the planet for very powerful mind control.

I guess we'll have to cross that bridge when we get to it.

http://www.africawithin.com/garvey/Mgarvey%5B1%5D.jpg

Let's go backwards for a moment. Way back. Let's examine Ancestor Marcus Mosiah Garvey, Jr. August 17 1887 - An 8, drawing power from Saturn- which is Set, also known as Satan. Interestingly enough, this Satan tried to free us from bondage "too". Very interesting correlation there. In fact, Satan sparked the Black liberation/consciousness movement-period. This "Jr" gave the other "Jr" his template. You figure it out.

And if you were born on the 8th, 17th or 26th of any month, perhaps you are a "Set" as well. I know many wish such people did in fact carry pitchforks that way you could see them coming.

What this information means to you, depends on how far you are willing to take it. For me personally, my number is 9- drawing my power from Mars. As a Gemini with the power of Mars, I have a hidden advantage. (sinister laughter) But it's perhaps true we all have a hidden advantage once we understand how our Black power can be used to our benefit.

http://schol.files.wordpress.com/2008/02/black-power.jpg

1. Sun (Leo/Aries) 2. Moon (Cancer) 3. Jupiter (Pisces/Sagittarius)
4. Uranus (Aquarius) 5. Mercury (Gemini/Virgo) 6. Venus (Taurus/Libra)
7. Neptune (Pisces/Cancer) 8. Saturn (Capricorn) 9. Mars. (Aries/Scorpio)


Meta, what about the planets in each number, like when someone is born on a day that contains two digits. Like me for instance, my birthday is on the
11th which would be the number 2, However, also 1 and 1 is Sun+Sun If this is correct or incorrect from your understanding on numerolgy, please help me to understand what this say's about me or what it does not say about me?

Malcolm X 19th is also Sun+Mars

Marcus Garvey 17th is also Sun+Neptune

Obama is on the 4th so his power would be dealing with Uranus alone. Also, did you know that Obamas rising sign is Aquarius?


One more thing two Meta, have you ever had your chart done? If so, do you know or remember what your rising sign is? I get the feeling your rising sign is Scorpio.



Astrologer4U

Queen Astrologer4U, I've had so many charts done and it's been awhile since I've looked at it. I don't recall a rising in Scorpio but I'd have to look thru my junk files to find it.

As far as your numbers, from my understanding you always want to add double digits together to get a single digit, except in the case of master numbers which you have- 11. And there is 22, 33, 44 etc. There are certain places where master numbers have no real value and should be added together anyway. This is such a case, only because there are only 9 vibrations that we are dealing with.

Your double digit theory is still possible, I wouldn't rule it now, more research is needed. This technique is used by hindu astrology, there are mantras for each planet.

Out of curiosity.....
Let's get some "11" people in here and see if we can extract some logic.

Bonnie Pointer
July 11, 1950 (Cancer)
http://i.realone.com/assets/rn/img/6/4/3/7/9777346-9777349-slarge.jpg

Kimberley Coles
January 11, 1966 (Capricorn)
http://www.vh1.com/shared/media/images/movies/people/c/coles_kim/150x223.jpg

Mary Jane Blige
January 11, 1971 (Capricorn)
http://madnews.files.wordpress.com/2008/02/mary-j-blige-u23.jpg

Kimberly Denise Jones aka Lil' Kim
July 11, 1975 (Cancer)
http://images.starpulse.com/Photos/Previews/Lil-Kim-w06.jpg

Bonnie Pointer and Lil' Kim have allot in common. This is an example of what happens when a person has the same ruling planet in their zodiac as well as their Earth day. I'm using this example to explain the logic behind the numbers. Both Miss Pointer and Lil' Kim draw their power from the moon, sometimes that energy can go too far.

An individual's ability to share, participate, reflect and be a member of society is signified by the Moon. The Moon also rules over Womanhood. We can tell that all of these Women are dealing with the power of the Moon in different ways, all dealing with Womanhood and the expression of Womanhood. Mary J. has more Man problems than a maximum security prison if you listened to her albums, and we already know the 411 on Lil' Kim.

http://photos.upi.com/story/t/907a58f9031498fe14b4dd5ad375af8b/Obama_praised_by_Louis_Farrakhan.jpg

Hon. Minister Farrakhan
May 11th, 1933

Sun+Sun or Moon?

President Obama was born on: Aug. 4, 1961 [/IMG]
Jay Z also bears the Crown of being born on the 4th.

http://i421.photobucket.com/albums/pp295/44Reasons/58968e5553f072ca.jpg

I would also like to add I am a Taurus and was born May 4th.

Me Jay and Obama have something in common and it's not the day we were born!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! LOL:welldone:

Yes, I have had my share of negative issues involving men. Not anymore though. I became aware of my power and as a result, I don't waste my energy with people in general. Wasting energy with people not worthy of my energy, is no different from casting pearls to swine. I had to learn that the hard way. Honestly speaking though, for real, negative issues involving men is over with and has been for a long time now. It has to do with Pluto making sublte changes in Sag before entering into Capricorn, which is my Sun sign.


Astrologer4U

MetaSaience:

I do have a question in concerns to the 9 vibrations of this system of numerology verse that of the 8 vibrations of the Chaldean system. Which is more accurate?

Secondly, the ancient used the 7 planet system verses the 12 or 9 ... does it make sense to use 9 vibrational numbers with 9 planet vibrations? I mean it makes logical sense to me, but then we still have the issues with Chaldean 8 vibrational system.

Third, using such vibrations does it work with the 13 signs astrology? Astrologer4U had a question that dealt with the number 11 so in this sense I can see using the reduction factor making the number 11/2, yet Phil Valentine made reference to the Hebrew numbers which in fact came from the ancient Khem.tic peoples. This number system I was learning some years back but I will do my best to give a little rundown on it.

Astrologer4U, each of the Hebrew letters have a numerical value and the same in reverse the numbers have letter values. If you look at it from this system then each letter has a constellation which each constellation has a meaning. The number 11 the numerical value of day you were born on represents the constellation of Pisces if your are going by the amount of numbers in the Hebrew lettering system (22). The number 11 is also the letter 'Vau' which means connection or to connect. There is also another way that you can look at it. 11 can also in the Hebrew number value system be 10 + 1 which would be the letters 'Yod' and 'Alef' having 2 meanings. Alef is the connection between the higher and lower or 'as is above, so below' and the 'Yod' the infinite point of space and time ... which is funny because its still 'Vau' which is to connect.

The constellation of Pisces which has many definitions but and you know them I assume by your name.

This is just a basic if you use the more ancient numbering system which actually goes up to 400. Once again, this numbering system comes from the Egyptians/Khemetic peoples.

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Another example would be 13 which would be the 13th letter of the Hebrew Alef-bet, 'Nun' (Kemetic: Primordial waters) constellation - Southern Fish. Nevertheless, the numerical value of 'Nun' is 50 and has its own meaning.

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MetaSaience probably can help me out with this one but I'm sure Omo can as well ...

My number would be 22 which is the last letter of the Hebrew Alef-Bet which would be 'Tav' - constellation, Southern Cross with a numerical value of 400. Rising would be Libra (11:32am), Cancer whether were using the 13 planets Zodiac or the 12 planet Zodiac. Please note the day you were concieved on has a meaning as well. My day was Thursday - Jupiter (Pisces/Sagittarius)

If your using the 13 planet Zodiac then Barak Obama would be a Cancer (If I'm wrong on this then I hope Brotha Elder Omo correct me on this)as well with the number 4 as I have. Speaking of this system, here is a link to where I got the his birthday to also represent Cancer: Click Here!!! (http://www.geocities.com/astrologyzodiacs/realsolarzodiac.htm)

If the way that MetaSaience propose it to work, work; then it makes total sense. The hypnotic movements he used during his compiagn makes logical sense which means his ability for mind-control can be powerful. He was also born on a Tuesday which represent the planet Mars the sign of Aries/Scorpio.

This is based on the theory that his numbers are correct ...

Peace and Blessings.

according to this chart,my day number is 9,based on this my ruling planet is Mars,so iam a cancer on Mars,what does it mean?

do have a question in concerns to the 9 vibrations of this system of numerology verse that of the 8 vibrations of the Chaldean system. Which is more accurate?


Pluto is not even a planet,so it's maybe more accurate ...

Very keen and very important questions Bro. RU!

I've always been interested in those aspects myself. The system that is most popular, the one I use is the Pythagorean system. Pythagoras was a Greek master mathematician and a student of Kemetic occult math and magic. In fact, this is perhaps where he extract most of his theorems- considering that Kmt has 9 principle Gods. Pythagoras also started his own Secret society behind all this, his students were forbidden to put anything in writing.

Now we know that the Chaldean system is much older. But there are other numerology charts and methods out there. Hebrew Numerology is the Kabbalah. Ancient Japanese used a system called "Ki" There is Cheiro Numerology used in India. And there is still an African system of Numerology used for divination that is unrecorded and only known to certain initiates and those who keep those secrets and mysteries alive.

So I would say the same thing for those who study the Sidereal Zodiac, Kemetic Zodiac or Western Zodiac, if you've studied it and if if it is accurate for you- then use it. It's really that simple. The accuracy rate however, will prove which system you should use. And in that case you'd have to be very scientific instead of loyal.

My theory is that both numerology and astrology give us a map of the "super-conscious" layer we are attached too. This means that, the most accurate method depends on- one- the language of the people or tribe you are born into, and two- the "sense of time" kept by that tribe.

Pythagorean's system will make more sense, because- well...we only have 9 numbers of "value" in reality period. Understand all of these systems are still used, just for different aspects of life. The Kabbalah system wouldn't be used for birth dates, only names and words. It has only 22 vibrations ranging from 1 to 400. The Chaldean's (Iraq) considered the 9 holy, so they took that vibration out of their chart altogether except when it is a result of adding numbers.

Bro. RU, I curious about Bro. OM's interpretation as well, so I'll wait and give some more information later one.

Queen Astrologer4U, seeing that 11 is a master number anyway- I always recommend that strong Masters find their strong students not other Masters, that's where issues usually arrive. The problem with some Men? We don't like being a Woman's student.

Personally, I enjoy it....but that's another thread entirely.

The constellation of Pisces which has many definitions but and you know them I assume by your name.



First name is 14159
Last name is 2111
Birth given Middle name 7133512
Middle name on Drivers licnense 71339835

Help me out Meta...


Astrologer4U

Queen Astrologer4U, seeing that 11 is a master number anyway- I always recommend that strong Masters find their strong students not other Masters, that's where issues usually arrive. The problem with some Men? We don't like being a Woman's student.

Personally, I enjoy it....but that's another thread entirely.

They must have had Master numbers hiding away in one of their five core numbers because none of them had Master Numbers in their birth day number. It wasn't really an issue of teaching a brother because teaching a brother certain things is a turn off for me, only, and particularly, if I my reason for being with him is to lead into a potential commited relationship. I prefer to share knowledge with a potential man who is interested in becoming committed and, he share his knowledge with me, giving and recieving on both sides. Me teaching him, or guiding him, that is a no, no. Us guiding/teaching each other, cool. The issues I have had with men, have to do more so with trust. Now that you explain that the 11 is the constelation of Pisces, I can understand now why trust would be an issue.



Astrologer4U

Queen Astrologer4U- I don't want to hear you singing anymore Mary J. songs! You certainly have the right energy to attract everything you need in life.

14159= 2
71339835= 3 (7133512)= 22
2111= 7

I'm a 2 as well in the first name. We always want to fix things, people, everything. Fix, heal, patch up, sew together, stable, glue- you name it. But if we were to break down all your numbers in your first name you love to create balance and you have the power to make people feel complete.

Your original middle name is a 22, and your current use of it is a 3. If you vibrate more with your current, it may not be by accident because the 22 is very powerful. A 3 vibration in your mental state means you are thinker, always coming up with ideas, very imaginative. Now a 22 would mean you are somewhere in the fields of science and astronomy. 22 is the Master builder. The middle name speaks about your mental state. Yours says- plain as day- spiritual leader, master teacher, completely evolved creates change.
While your current middle name says- spiritual leader, master teacher, change leads to balance. So if your middle name was indeed misspelled the "512" is telling you why. That change was to balance you out.

Your last name speaks also about the spirit and your need to elevate spiritual matters. You have an 11 here as well 21/11.
The 11 walks the edge between greatness and self-destruction.

But I found the last chart I had done it says I have a rising Sign 10 degrees Libra.

Queen Astrologer4U- I don't want to hear you singing anymore Mary J. songs! You certainly have the right energy to attract everything you need in life.

14159= 2
71339835= 3 (7133512)= 22
2111= 7

I'm a 2 as well in the first name. We always want to fix things, people, everything. Fix, heal, patch up, sew together, stable, glue- you name it. But if we were to break down all your numbers in your first name you love to create balance and you have the power to make people feel complete.

Your original middle name is a 22, and your current use of it is a 3. If you vibrate more with your current, it may not be by accident because the 22 is very powerful. A 3 vibration in your mental state means you are thinker, always coming up with ideas, very imaginative. Now a 22 would mean you are somewhere in the fields of science and astronomy. 22 is the Master builder. The middle name speaks about your mental state. Yours says- plain as day- spiritual leader, master teacher, completely evolved creates change.
While your current middle name says- spiritual leader, master teacher, change leads to balance. So if your middle name was indeed misspelled the "512" is telling you why. That change was to balance you out.

Your last name speaks also about the spirit and your need to elevate spiritual matters. You have an 11 here as well 21/11.
The 11 walks the edge between greatness and self-destruction.

But I found the last chart I had done it says I have a rising Sign 10 degrees Libra.


Meta, I am digesting all that you have said concerning my numbers, sounds accurate so far. The part about self destruction, hmm, let's just say that Astrology has been my saving grace.


If you are 10 degrees Libra rising, you must have an interception. Might your third house Capricorn?

http://www.notablebiographies.com/images/uewb_07_img0452.jpg
"I live like a man who's already dead," Malcolm X



*sighs* How many ways do I love thee Malcolm X?

Greetings all,

Lol@

I know many wish such people did in fact carry pitchforks that way you could see them coming.

How true, I know someone who was born on the 26th, and has got to be the embodiment of evil. I swear, I would rather suffer through a bout of advanced syphillis. Or a plague of locusts. Or spend the day washing the bums of homeless people than to have any interaction with him.

But I digress..

RU2Religious brings to the forefront of my mind an important concept that has always confused me. Using conventional astrology, my sun sign is Sagittarius, but using the 13 sign system, it is Ophiuchus. My moon sign is Gemini and I was born on a Monday. So not sure if I am an Ophiuchus drawing power from Jupiter (in which case, not sure what that means or a Sagittarius with the power of Jupiter. Any thoughts?

@ Seneb
I found the sheer arrogance of the scientists who decided that Pluto was no longer a planet simply astounding. Not only is it a planet, but Pluto is about to enter the sign of Capricorn for the first time in 230 years. Let’s just say Obama wasn’t talking about ‘change’ for nothing. Anyway, hopefully Uncle Omo will add to this.

*Sighs* I miss him. *cries*

Peace!
Alexandra

Very keen and very important questions Bro. RU!

I've always been interested in those aspects myself. The system that is most popular, the one I use is the Pythagorean system. Pythagoras was a Greek master mathematician and a student of Kemetic occult math and magic. In fact, this is perhaps where he extract most of his theorems- considering that Kmt has 9 principle Gods. Pythagoras also started his own Secret society behind all this, his students were forbidden to put anything in writing.

The Pythagorean system is the one that I've been using for about a score now, but I've used the Chaldean system as well. I was very sleepy last night or should I say this morning so let me clear this up real quick.

I didn't mean to say the 13 planet Zodiac ... lol. I meant to say the 13 constellation zodiac system.

With this being said, the question was more so about Uranus & Neptune being used as planets that has an influences on our planet through its vibrations. Here is the question of the year for me at least, which is what I've been dealing with for sometime.

What I've learned up to this point is that ancient Israelites were in fact ancient Egyptians/Khem.tians, Northern Egyptian/Lower Egypt. They were citizens of 'On' which is the place of 'Ra' worship. This is why the name 'Yisra' means 'Yis - Place' and 'Ra - Sun' is the 'Place of Ra' and when you add the 'el' which is 'ar' in Khemetic it means the 'Place of Ra worship'. Yisra`el is simply the place of Ra worship and biblically this can be proven through Genesis 40 and 41 which proclaims the city of 'On'. We also know up to this point that the holy city called 'Zion' in the bible is no other then the city of 'Zoan' the ancient Capital of Northern Egypt and thus what is called modern Yisra`el is was only a trading center point but it wasn't ancient Yisra`el.

I said all of this to say that the ancient Hebrews knowledge was the knowledge of Northern Kemet so in the bible in Job chapter 38:31-32.

31 Canst thou bind the sweet influences of Pleiades, or loose the bands of Orion? Job 32 Canst thou bring forth Mazzaroth in his season? or canst thou guide Arcturus with his sons?

Was this the original origins of the ancient Zodiac system being that it is called Mazzaroth/Zodiac based on Khemetic teachings?

1. Pleiades = 7 Planets
2. Orion = 3
3. Bear/Ursa Major/Big Dipper= 1
4. Cubs/Ursa Minor/Little Dipper = 1

7+3+1+1 = 12 which are the 12 signs of the Zodiac. Could the true influences be the influences of the seven sister planets and the brother 3 planets of Ausar constellations with the brothas and sistas? This would change the influence of the 12 number dramatically. This is a question that I've been asking for the answer some years now.

I know that the 7 planets of ancient astrology actually works on a planetary level meaning it doesn't matter what sign you are, the moon controls the water and thus all humans have water within their body so the moon influences you regardless. The same can be said about all of the 7 planets within our system so could the spiritual influence be based on a entirely different format? Each of the 7 planets have some type of vibration effect on this planet physically.

does these influence us on a physical level or a spiritual? Can our spiritual influences be based on the others mentioned?


Now we know that the Chaldean system is much older. But there are other numerology charts and methods out there. Hebrew Numerology is the Kabbalah. Ancient Japanese used a system called "Ki" There is Cheiro Numerology used in India. And there is still an African system of Numerology used for divination that is unrecorded and only known to certain initiates and those who keep those secrets and mysteries alive.

Exactly which is why I question a lot of what we have on the surface because there is a lot of hidden information on an esoteric level that we don't have or don't really see which is why I proposed that maybe the bible was actually giving us the actual influence for our Khemetic people?

Cheiro Book of Numbers is a rare book to get. Sophia Stewart was the one that introduced the book to me and she told me to order it. I got it but is number system is very different then what I'm used to ... I go over it every once and a while but its definition for number is different.

Example the number 11 which I believe to be the master number for the Messenger is 11 (my birth number 7/22/71 - 11). Cheiro explains that this number is in danger of treachery and to watch for deceptive people who will be against you, especially from the opposite sex. What bothers me about his interpretation is that he might be accurate with the 11 thing ... lol. I've been dupped bad by some sistas but I could never hate them - as a matter of fact my love for them increases 1000 folds. Cheiro explanation of the number to me seems bias as to say people with the numbers 4 and 8 are negative or that these numbers are negative. I believe this is a terrible assessment being that I am a 22/4 and have had a lot of good happen in my life. The number 22 again in some systems like 11 is a matter number. It seems to me that he goes against the grain when it comes to the master numbers in some trains of thought. As a matter of fact his number apposes master numbers now that I think about it. Well until you get to 33 which offers fortune (I have this one as well). When I think about it again, I have 11, 22, 33, 44, and 55 as so-called master numbers. The way he talks about the number 4 I had to put the book down because I couldn't imagine what he would say about a 44 ... lol. I'm almost certain that he had some relationship problems with 4's and 8's.

For this reason, I kind of wander about his system of numbers. This is not to bash his material but his stuff does bring up question. Nevertheless, in his book I'm a number 51 and I assume you may have the book MetaSaience so you know what that means.

So I would say the same thing for those who study the Sidereal Zodiac, Kemetic Zodiac or Western Zodiac, if you've studied it and if if it is accurate for you- then use it. It's really that simple. The accuracy rate however, will prove which system you should use. And in that case you'd have to be very scientific instead of loyal.

This is where it all goes back to the 'mind' if it really depends on which system is good for you. It seems as though there should be one universal system that works for all. I think that is why I hunt for the correct one but even to say the correct one is based on opinions ... lol. I think you are right, its based on which is correct for the individual until there is one that has been proven universal.

My theory is that both numerology and astrology give us a map of the "super-conscious" layer we are attached too. This means that, the most accurate method depends on- one- the language of the people or tribe you are born into, and two- the "sense of time" kept by that tribe.

Make sense to me.

Pythagorean's system will make more sense, because- well...we only have 9 numbers of "value" in reality period. Understand all of these systems are still used, just for different aspects of life. The Kabbalah system wouldn't be used for birth dates, only names and words. It has only 22 vibrations ranging from 1 to 400. The Chaldean's (Iraq) considered the 9 holy, so they took that vibration out of their chart altogether except when it is a result of adding numbers.

The Chaldean's did take it out but it wasn't their right to do so which means the numbers still exist whether they want it there or not.

Peace and Blessings

Brother Meta, could you please mention the positive side of the number 8. My maturity number is 8, and I have had some extremely powerful experiences with the number 8, as well as 7 and 9.


Also, did you check your third house?


Astrologer4U

Brother Meta, could you please mention the positive side of the number 8. My maturity number is 8, and I have had some extremely powerful experiences with the number 8, as well as 7 and 9.


Also, did you check your third house?


Astrologer4U

While you are at it could you mention number 4 as well ...

I know the question isn't to me but if I'm not mistaken the number 8 represent power and strength.

Peace and Blessings

Bro. RU, I figured you meant the 13 constellations. Actually the software you recommended earlier is very interesting, I'm not sure how accurate it is? Stellarium? I read about it a while ago on astronomy.com and folks were using it then saying it was very accurate. I think we had a thread awhile back about Ophiuchus the 13th zodiac symbol, I suggest that it was taken out because Ophiuchus is a healer, in fact in my opinion Ophiuchus is Mami Wata herself.

http://www.eastbayastro.org/articles/lore/ophiuchus.htm

I don't study the zodiac as much as Queen Astrologer and Bro. OM, but I would like to know myself how the 13 zodiacs would influence us. I've never used the Cheiro numerology system, but I've heard interesting things about. In fact, years ago in a dream I was given a numerology system myself, it freaked me out so much I put it anyway and never used it. I rarely get freaked by numbers, but you can imagine. What happened was I used it to do a reading on a Female I was dating at the time, and all 3 of her names equaled the number 11.

The system was simple, the spirit told me to use the vibration of the number in the chart instead of the number itself. Example the number one is one=655=7. Converting all the numbers you get 742667246. Scary. As above so below. This might very well be a mystery system, but I never used it long enough to really find out, or for that matter understand it's purpose.

We'll delve into more of this as we go along.

Queen Astrologer, the number 8 is usually the number for Authority. Especially executive or spiritual Authority. 7-8-9 are all spiritual numbers. 7-intuition, 8-authority, 9-competition/completion.

Bro. RU, the number 4- is for practicality, math, numbers etc.

Queen Astrologer, I said my charts were in my junk files because I had several done and the Sistah that did them for me did them over a few times because I didn't know my time of birth at the time. I wasn't reading the last chart,the last chart says my rising is 12 degrees in Aries. Sun is 5 degrees in Gemini. Moon 0 is Capricorn. Mercury 23 degrees in Gemini.

But going into why scientists killed Pluto. I have allot of Libra friends, in fact my closest friends are either Libras, Geminis or Sags. I'm curious about this:
Pluto in Libra

Pluto in Libra: gave us a generation (1972 to 1984) that will be obsessed with art. When they grow older and move into positions of power, look for an increase in the art market. They will also be obsessed with fairness, justice, and partnership. Look for the institution of marriage to make a brief comeback, and for a push to reform the legal codes.

http://www.bobmarksastrologer.com/PlanetsignLibra.htm

Pluto rules over world politics. Look at the state of "world politics" right now, coincidence? This of course might be evidence that our superconscious mind is connected to planets in the heavens and numbers help us to understand the links between them and us.

Bro. RU, I figured you meant the 13 constellations. Actually the software you recommended earlier is very interesting, I'm not sure how accurate it is? Stellarium? I read about it a while ago on astronomy.com and folks were using it then saying it was very accurate. I think we had a thread awhile back about Ophiuchus the 13th zodiac symbol, I suggest that it was taken out because Ophiuchus is a healer, in fact in my opinion Ophiuchus is Mami Wata herself.

Its funny that you brought this software up right now because I'm on it. I've been doing a lot of studies on Astronomy lately in order to recognize the constellations current position. having studied Astrology for 9 years I became and astrologist never looking at the difference between astronomy and astrology. I've converted because in my opinion astronomy is a lot more accurate.

Stellarium:If you put in the place that you were born and the time, the latitude and Longitude will give you the accurate position of your actual birth. What's so good about it is that it is a powerful tool when adding position and galactic numbers together.

Example: I was just working on mine when I looked at this thread and my birth hour, minute, day, month and year along with my birth position (geography) places me n37.45 Latitude and 120.53 longitude between the Leo constellation and Hydra (sea serpent). there is a planet their called '7 Sextans'. I like to do the numerology on the latitude first because all numbers meaning something ... 37.45 = 19/1 and longitude 120.53 = 11/2.

Next the actual system has a number which is 7sextan HP - 48414/21/3. This system is approximately 1048.73 light years away. So now we have a series of numbers (3) which are:

1.) North = 1
2.) West = 2
3.) Galactic # = 3

The word Sextan is the Latin word for '6th' and because it is a fairly new system between Leo and Hydra I can't call it which is what I was hoping Omo could help me with. In India my birthday would land on Leo in many cases (July 22) using the 12month Zodiac calendar. 13th constellation calendar would still be Cancer.

Birth year 7/22/71 = 47/11/2
Birth name - first = 23, Last = 32 together = 55/1 (don't have a middle name)

Combination of both would be 11 +55 = 66/12/3

Thus what I've come to understand so far with this software is that in my chart I have 6 (if you combine the north, west and galactic together) and Sextan which means '6' along with the combination off birthday & full name 66 I find 6 all over the place.

6666 a total of 4 'sixes' equaling 24/6. Then there is the 3's ... If you break 66 down the combination of birthday and name you get 3, galactic #3, Northwest location 3. So now we have 3 three's. 6 or three's is the key numbers for my position and date of birth. This has a lot to do with the energy that I came here with.

For this reason I think I will continue to come from the position astronomy and this software provides the best route for me.

I don't study the zodiac as much as Queen Astrologer and Bro. OM, but I would like to know myself how the 13 zodiacs would influence us. I've never used the Cheiro numerology system, but I've heard interesting things about. In fact, years ago in a dream I was given a numerology system myself, it freaked me out so much I put it anyway and never used it. I rarely get freaked by numbers, but you can imagine. What happened was I used it to do a reading on a Female I was dating at the time, and all 3 of her names equaled the number 11.

The system was simple, the spirit told me to use the vibration of the number in the chart instead of the number itself. Example the number one is one=655=7. Converting all the numbers you get 742667246. Scary. As above so below. This might very well be a mystery system, but I never used it long enough to really find out, or for that matter understand it's purpose.

Wow ... this sounds like a powerful system ... Can't wait until you release this one.

Bro. RU, the number 4- is for practicality, math, numbers etc.

But going into why scientists killed Pluto. I have allot of Libra friends, in fact my closest friends are either Libras, Geminis or Sags. I'm curious about this:
Pluto in Libra

Pluto in Libra: gave us a generation (1972 to 1984) that will be obsessed with art. When they grow older and move into positions of power, look for an increase in the art market. They will also be obsessed with fairness, justice, and partnership. Look for the institution of marriage to make a brief comeback, and for a push to reform the legal codes.

I hope this makes a full comeback.


Peace and Blessings

I don't study the zodiac as much as Queen Astrologer and Bro. OM, but I would like to know myself how the 13 zodiacs would influence us.


Brother Omo, would probably be the one to answer that question. I study tropical Astrology, which does not recognize a 13th sign.


Astrologer4U

Will someone explain the significance of being surrounded by 7's?
All four members of my immediate family are sevens and I'm a one.
I can tell you that it has often felt like I was the "rebel" of the family.
The one to change unproductive family patterns.... but they've had a tendency to "gang up" on me during times of potential change and decision making.

Queen Phynx, 7 people are very analytical. Very intuitive. Usually very low key, meditative and independent people. On the negative side, 7s are very skeptical.

So for you as a 1 people, someone who is very "inventive" this can be an issue. Pretty much, all your choices are scrutinized regardless of the wealth of wisdom you place behind them. By now you've already realized that 7s don't listen to anyone's advice, unless it is told to them that it is coming from some higher spiritual authority.

So you have a choice.

You can perform a baptism ritual on the 7th, 16th or 25th and be born again as a 7 person. Or...

You can help to change some of those unproductive patterns, by sticking out your chest, raising your chin, and affirming your ideas and choices as the natural leader that you are.

Queen Phynx, 7 people are very analytical. Very intuitive. Usually very low key, meditative and independent people. On the negative side, 7s are very skeptical.

So for you as a 1 people, someone who is very "inventive" this can be an issue. Pretty much, all your choices are scrutinized regardless of the wealth of wisdom you place behind them. By now you've already realized that 7s don't listen to anyone's advice, unless it is told to them that it is coming from some higher spiritual authority.

So you have a choice.

You can perform a baptism ritual on the 7th, 16th or 25th and be born again as a 7 person. Or...

You can help to change some of those unproductive patterns, by sticking out your chest, raising your chin, and affirming your ideas and choices as the natural leader that you are.

Brother Metasaience-
Can you clarify for me this baptism ritual? Do you mean I can baptize myself and be born into another number or were you talking about a renewal of the same number, just taking away the negative aspects concerning that number?

Not that I want to.. It's my cross to bear. I just found it very interesting to know that you can change things inherent to you.
On a side note, regarding the sidereal astrology. Maybe it's bc I've been only familiar with the solar astrology that I cannot see the characteristics of a Cancer in me. But I am not closed to the thought. I am interested and Bro. Omo was right, there is not much out there on it. As with everything else, I have to Dig Deepah!

Queen Lite, a serious baptism, is a near drowning or near death experience. It's when they take you under until the breaking point, your soul is released from the body and enters back in. The ritual differs, but it's usually very specific about the death process, this means you are literally born again. But the baptism along doesn't give you are new birthdate, it's the ritual, the energies present during the ritual, your name change and acknowledging that time as your new birthdate. So in the case of someone having a vibration or zodiac they don't like, it's possible to experience a new birth.

All numbers have a negative aspect, but you may have already learned of a vibration that works best for you and that should be the number you choose. For example, if you get along very well with someone you should always note that person's earth day and zodiac, most likely these are the people you will get along with well in life- and their vibrations work best for you.

You do have to dig deep to find out more on sidereal astrology. Brotha OM has a very long waiting list!

Thank you Bro. Meta.

Baptism as near death experiences-
Do you know why they do not do baptisms that way in the Christian faith anymore?
I think it was Alexandra, and I could be wrong, that said this baptism actually closes the crown chakra. I found that beyond intriguing but I do not think I addressed the post.

Also, I am find with my eternal 8's. (smile) I tend to get along with almost everyone I come into contact with really , but I have found close friends in Pisces, Libras, and Gemini's. Lets not forget Sag's. Very cool folk. I could prob make it through the whole zodiac w/o feeling like I'm lying to myself. lol. My daughter is a Gemini so I hope it will still pan out. I will not lie, the Gemini relationship has always been like a tug of war, push and pull type relationship, but one of the strongest I've had. Those have been able to withstand tough times.

Correction- In Sidereal I am still a Leo. Now it makes sense. lol.

Queen Lite, I guess that answer about baptisms is on the other thread, but Christian baptism is just the sprinkling of tap water on the child's forehead which is supposed to keep them safe from evil and help them get into heaven.
It does nothing. It doesn't even block anything in most cases, it's a sham. Now in Africa serious Christian Priest can take that too the next level and in their case it's possible they are really blocking up allot of spiritual potential in that child.

Anointing the head, hands and feet with special oils keeps the 3rd eye open and this usually helps babies and children as well. If Parents did a better job protecting their crown chakras of their children, they'd do better in life period.

And don't be afraid to cut off all the hair of your daughters either. Some Women are still going thru ill emotions and attracting the same Men because they don't know how and when to cut off all their hair.

Queen Lite, I guess that answer about baptisms is on the other thread, but Christian baptism is just the sprinkling of tap water on the child's forehead which is supposed to keep them safe from evil and help them get into heaven.
It does nothing. It doesn't even block anything in most cases, it's a sham. Now in Africa serious Christian Priest can take that too the next level and in their case it's possible they are really blocking up allot of spiritual potential in that child.

Anointing the head, hands and feet with special oils keeps the 3rd eye open and this usually helps babies and children as well. If Parents did a better job protecting their crown chakras of their children, they'd do better in life period.

And don't be afraid to cut off all the hair of your daughters either. Some Women are still going thru ill emotions and attracting the same Men because they don't know how and when to cut off all their hair.

Meta- how did you?...... Let me process what just happened.