((Fictional story...names and situations have been changed to protect the guilty.))

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An average Woman would’ve just divorced her Husband after she caught him cheating. But not Sholanda. She has to go the extra mile. Because she comes from a long line of dark and mysterious Women that settled their disputes the ol’ fashion way. They rooted you.

To make matters worse, her Husband didn’t even know she knew he was cheating. She just happened to figured it all out one day while she was out getting her hair done. As she sat under the hair dryer, she played back her relationship in slow motion. Within a month she saw her Husband go from “Joe the Plumber” to a Steve Harvey Pimp Suit wearing Playa of the year. “What’s that all about?” She thought to herself. It was then that her Nana AnnieMae Bishop showed up in her mind saying “babe, don’t you know this Man cheating of you?” She couldn’t just go on AnnieMae’s word, so later on she knew all she had to do was ask her Husband one quick question and his face- not his words- but his face would reveal the answer.

“You f—ing some other broad?” She said, as matteroffactly as possible, as directly as possible- right when he strolled in the house smelling like Christmas cologne and beer. “Woman you crazy” he said trying to make his way upstairs to change out of his "Super pimp” uniform. Sholanda knew “woman you crazy” wasn’t an answer to her question. It was an attempt to turn the moment into a comedy, something he’d often do to prevent an argument. But his face said it all. When her Husband was trying to think up a lie about something he’d look down at his watch, even when he wasn’t wearing one. In this case he was, but he made it upstairs fast enough to a safe place where he could think up his rebuttals.

He gave a good list of explanations. But Sholanda knew better. AnnieMae never shows up to tell any lies. Her Husband obviously forgot Sholanda’s middle name. Sholanda “You don’t know who you messing with” Wallace. Was Sholanda out to kill her Husband? No. She just wanted to teach him a lesson and then in time she planned on doing the same to him. She imagined him coming home while she was in bed with his best Friend and his Boss from work. But even that was too amateurish for Sholanda.

The Women of Sholanda’s family followed their own one true religion. They knew something that the Bible doesn’t teach. The truth about the dead. Nana AnnieMae taught everyone how to get money when they needed it, how to win over people when they needed too, and how to get their vengeance on those that opposed them. She would say “when you don’t know, ask, go to that library and find out what you need to know! That library is your Chuch’ and your salvation!” The library AnneMae was talking about wasn’t that quite place with all the books, but that quite place with all the bodies. The cemetery.

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AnnieMae passed on the belief to her Daughters that Black folk or any folk for that matter that don’t honor the dead have no control over what happens to them in life. She taught everyone how to speak effectively with the dead, and most importantly- how the dead speak back.

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When AnnieMae was 35 years old she was one of the wealthiest Women in their Georgia town. A Black Woman, and White folks couldn’t understand how she did it. No one knew why AnnieMae had so much control and power of those White folks, even when there were lynching and killings going on.
She told her secrets only to the Females in the family. She was one of those people that would keep track of all those that died in the Town, especially rich White folks. She said – never be afraid to visit the grave of a wealthy White Woman or Man, and you take that dirt from up off that grave and you sprinkle that dirt around your own house. You keep visiting that Grave even more so than that person’s own family. Spirits are always watching, they never stop watching. They never stop taking either.

Sholanda went to the “library” and confirmed that her Husband was indeed cheating with some Go-Go Dancer he met one day after work. He helped her get her car fixed, and she was the one dressing him up in all these flashy clothes. She loved playing dress up. The spirit Sholanda went too to find this out was a nosey old Lady that used to live right next door to them that passed away 2 months back. She was always watching her Husband in life so she figured even “after-life” she’d still be keeping a good eye on him.

So Sholanda decided to find the prefect spirit that would possess the body of her Husband new fling. She decided it would be this female she heard of that was stabbed by her Husband. AnnieMae taught everyone the correct way to conjurer up a spirit. Sometimes it would take days and even weeks for a spirit to show up. Once she did show up, Sholanda gave the spirit her instructions.

Every night for about 3 weeks, Sholanda’s Husband was coming home like normal. Still dressed up in his pimp suits, still smiling, laughing and happy. Sholanda figured, what ever she did- wasn’t working. She decided to wait another week at least. Then the night came when her Husband didn’t come home at all.

The next day she called his job, no one had seen him. She called his Mother’s house- no one seen him there either. About 2 days later the Police showed up at her home, to give her the terrible news. Her Husband was dead. Stabbed to dead after his new lover went into a jealous rage.

They took Sholanda downtown to view the body. She really didn’t think this would end in the death of her Husband. It shocked her. They uncovered his body and his face made her break down in tears. In her mind she knew it was her fault. The spirit she had conjured was seeking revenge on her own Husband and wanted to get back at someone for what happened to her. She remembered AnnieMae’s word “we give them spirits power to do what they can’t do alone.”

Sholanda demanded to see her Husband’s killer so about 2 of the Officers escorted her to the holding cell where they kept inmates waiting for a trial. When Sholanda looked beyond the bars of the cell, her knees grew weak- she had no other choice but to fall on the floor screaming.

Her Husband’s lover was a Transvestite.

Public Spiritual Announcement:
The most dangerous spiritual crafts, are the ones we fail to master.
If you can't understand it, if you can't practice it then you will never master it- so you shouldn't be playing with it.
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PS- Sholanda is now single.

D@MN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I'm gonna have to read this again.


Astrologer4U

When I first heard this story- realizing that it was probably very true, I was attracted to the statement: "“we give them spirits power to do what they can’t do alone.” That one statement put everything into perspective for me, religions, spiritual traditions and even secret societies. Because when you get right down to it, that's all these societies are about anyway, the conjuring of spirits and the keeping of knowledge of wealth that those spirits possess. That is especially true for the skull and bones.

But what most people will find disturbing, is the fact that someone can not only conjure up a spirit but instruct that spirit to possess someone and cause them to do something crazy. Haven't we heard the term- "the devil made me do it"? People having blackouts, only to wake up and find their loved ones dead?

I couldn't begin to imagine the curriculum our "AnnieMaes" teach their Daughters. But it seems to be true "the honoring of the dead" or a "respect" for the spirit world is the key to mastering reality to it's full potential. And some might way, well- I don't believe in Ancestral worship, or I don't believe in honoring the dead. Humm. But if you have a religion of any kind what you are doing? And of course this is why most religions like Christianity put such a heavy emphasis on "living" ie- "my God is a ~living~ God!!" Translation- we don't worship or honor the dead.

Really?

Who is printed on money? Dead presidents. Who are the most respected in academia? Dead writers,Dead scholars, dead professors, dead philosophers.
The most popular artists are? Dead. The most popular musicians/singers/rappers are? Dead. Even the most famous fashion designers are dead. And we already know the most honored Black thinkers are dead.

Dead just means they don't walk around in their original form. But they still exist. The truth perhaps, as those like AnnieMae teach, is that the Dead are never really dead. Science would confirm that statement that energy can't die, but it can be rearranged.

That idea might be scary for people. It might be scary for those involved in wars for example to know that those millions of people that die in cold blood, roam the earth- seeking revenge by manipulating the living. It's possible those in power already understand that.

When I first heard this story- realizing that it was probably very true, I was attracted to the statement: "“we give them spirits power to do what they can’t do alone.” That one statement put everything into perspective for me, religions, spiritual traditions and even secret societies. Because when you get right down to it, that's all these societies are about anyway, the conjuring of spirits and the keeping of knowledge of wealth that those spirits possess. That is especially true for the skull and bones.

But what most people will find disturbing, is the fact that someone can not only conjure up a spirit but instruct that spirit to possess someone and cause them to do something crazy. Haven't we heard the term- "the devil made me do it"? People having blackouts, only to wake up and find their loved ones dead?

I couldn't begin to imagine the curriculum our "AnnieMaes" teach their Daughters. But it seems to be true "the honoring of the dead" or a "respect" for the spirit world is the key to mastering reality to it's full potential. And some might way, well- I don't believe in Ancestral worship, or I don't believe in honoring the dead. Humm. But if you have a religion of any kind what you are doing? And of course this is why most religions like Christianity put such a heavy emphasis on "living" ie- "my God is a ~living~ God!!" Translation- we don't worship or honor the dead.

Really?

Who is printed on money? Dead presidents. Who are the most respected in academia? Dead writers,Dead scholars, dead professors, dead philosophers.
The most popular artists are? Dead. The most popular musicians/singers/rappers are? Dead. Even the most famous fashion designers are dead. And we already know the most honored Black thinkers are dead.

Dead just means they don't walk around in their original form. But they still exist. The truth perhaps, as those like AnnieMae teach, is that the Dead are never really dead. Science would confirm that statement that energy can't die, but it can be rearranged.

That idea might be scary for people. It might be scary for those involved in wars for example to know that those millions of people that die in cold blood, roam the earth- seeking revenge by manipulating the living. It's possible those in power already understand that.

Hmmm, did anyone say Palo? I need to clean my ears. It must be the wax.

This is interesting. Please continue bruh.

I've been hearing things too Bro. BlackBird. Hopefully our paleros could speak more on this topic. I already know they are here, but many feel unwelcome to share their knowledge on subjects like this one.

I'm not certain of the particular system Sholanda's story sprang out of. I do know her true story comes from a family of Geechies in Georgia that trace their ancestry back to Haiti. It could be a little of this and a little of that mixed in there.

Is it wrong to settling life issues with Voodoo?
That depends on who you ask right?

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Definately looks Bakongo

Tatas (paleros) don't typically divulge much information to what is known as Aleyos ( the unitiated or non-priest) by Lukumi and Ifa practioners.

I would say most traditional priest, healers, shaman will tell you any force in nature can be appeased, for enriching or negating purposes.

When manipulating these forces (in this story, probably Mfumbe among others) to induce a manufactured outcome, the question becomes, is the petitioner and priest in alignment with what they agreed to do before incarnating on the physical plane.

Change your destiny, at what price?

Are we breaking any contracts we made with our creator?

I have a Nigerian friend I joke with all the time, insisting to him that I might decide to move to Nigeria. While he brags about Nigeria's economy- he constantly warns me about going. "If the Women want you- they will seek to get you!" He said. Naturally he says that because of his terrible experience. He broke a Nigerian Woman's heart so she decided to bury some of his items along with a loc of his hair in a cemetery. Don't get him started on that story, he'd scream about it until his eyes turn bloodshot red. And it happened about 7-8 years ago. He said it turned his life upside down, "I felt like a deadman walking." He said.

What eventually rid him of the spell, was a series of very expensive interventions of behalf of some very power African psychics that instructed him on what he had to do to clean himself off. He never told me what it was he had to do. I assumed it had to something horrible why he never mentioned it.

Bro. Sekhemu- great information and questions.
Even though I was raised up the the Shango Spiritual Baptist tradition, I didn't pay much attention to it. I was usually upset whenever someone was possessed by a spirit, no matter what area of the room they were in they would always some how make their way over to me, and fall on me. Even at five years old it's still embarrassing.

But to say I didn't pay attention to it means I wasn't conscious of how what was going on around me was being absorbed. I know a part of me is always angry that history calls my Ancestors Christians, just as the European religious census calls much of the Afro-Caribbean Christians, along with South America on up through the south. My mother tried to beat the Shango out of my because I was trying to set the house on fire.

Now to be uninitiated in anything of this magnitude is an unsettling thought.
Just for the mere fact that you are dealing with Spirits that require a certain level of attention. Certain rituals. Certain meals. Certain comforts. And I imagine we have so many broken contracts as African people, that perhaps even our Spirits that we no longer honor, have in a hand or had a hand in our enslavement.

Christianity is supposed to cure us of our African beliefs. Purge us of the sins of magick, conjuring, summoning and feeding the dead. Some will say, we are better off without those traditions. Even in Africa many converts are saying it. And I've asked Native Africans this question. "Has converting to Christianity allowed you a better system to control Europeans and Africa, or has it allowed Europeans a better system of controlling Africans?"

If Women and Men like Sholanda mastered their craft better, I don't see how any type of oppression or imperialism could be possible. I believe it does come down to the honoring of the dead, and respecting the "library." For the same reason it is about honoring our Elders, because they also have vast libraries of knowledge. At least the Asians have figured out that much.

I have a Nigerian friend I joke with all the time, insisting to him that I might decide to move to Nigeria. While he brags about Nigeria's economy- he constantly warns me about going. "If the Women want you- they will seek to get you!" He said. Naturally he says that because of his terrible experience. He broke a Nigerian Woman's heart so she decided to bury some of his items along with a loc of his hair in a cemetery. Don't get him started on that story, he'd scream about it until his eyes turn bloodshot red. And it happened about 7-8 years ago. He said it turned his life upside down, "I felt like a deadman walking." He said.

What eventually rid him of the spell, was a series of very expensive interventions of behalf of some very power African psychics that instructed him on what he had to do to clean himself off. He never told me what it was he had to do. I assumed it had to something horrible why he never mentioned it.

Bro. Sekhemu- great information and questions.
Even though I was raised up the the Shango Spiritual Baptist tradition, I didn't pay much attention to it. I was usually upset whenever someone was possessed by a spirit, no matter what area of the room they were in they would always some how make their way over to me, and fall on me. Even at five years old it's still embarrassing.

But to say I didn't pay attention to it means I wasn't conscious of how what was going on around me was being absorbed. I know a part of me is always angry that history calls my Ancestors Christians, just as the European religious census calls much of the Afro-Caribbean Christians, along with South America on up through the south. My mother tried to beat the Shango out of my because I was trying to set the house on fire.

Now to be uninitiated in anything of this magnitude is an unsettling thought.
Just for the mere fact that you are dealing with Spirits that require a certain level of attention. Certain rituals. Certain meals. Certain comforts. And I imagine we have so many broken contracts as African people, that perhaps even our Spirits that we no longer honor, have in a hand or had a hand in our enslavement.

Christianity is supposed to cure us of our African beliefs. Purge us of the sins of magick, conjuring, summoning and feeding the dead. Some will say, we are better off without those traditions. Even in Africa many converts are saying it. And I've asked Native Africans this question. "Has converting to Christianity allowed you a better system to control Europeans and Africa, or has it allowed Europeans a better system of controlling Africans?"

If Women and Men like Sholanda mastered their craft better, I don't see how any type of oppression or imperialism could be possible. I believe it does come down to the honoring of the dead, and respecting the "library." For the same reason it is about honoring our Elders, because they also have vast libraries of knowledge. At least the Asians have figured out that much.

Metasaience you did it this time. Let me tell you. I think there is nothing more powerful than a black woman. I have always felt this before knowing the more spiritual/esoteric aspects of this power. I come from a family of powerful women. I mean it's like men just get absorbed in and conform to what the agenda of our women's liking. But, I used to hear my grandma say, there's nothing worse than a silly woman. I never really knew what she meant by that. I was thinking silly as in 'funny.' But now, I think silly meant 'dangerous.'

Now, here's a question for anyone: Now considering this what Meta said But to say I didn't pay attention to it means I wasn't conscious of how what was going on around me was being absorbed. I know a part of me is always angry that history calls my Ancestors Christians, just as the European religious census calls much of the Afro-Caribbean Christians, along with South America on up through the south. My mother tried to beat the Shango out of my because I was trying to set the house on fire.


Many families shunned our traditional practices and even forbade each other from practicing because of fear of being 'caught' and then maybe beaten or killed. maybe worse. Therefore, much was lost. How do we get the knowledge back since some of us fall in the category with the people who were afraid to teach it to their children?
And how do we 'search' for it without disrupting something or someone and risk hurting ourselves?

Metasaience you did it this time. Let me tell you. I think there is nothing more powerful than a black woman. I have always felt this before knowing the more spiritual/esoteric aspects of this power. I come from a family of powerful women. I mean it's like men just get absorbed in and conform to what the agenda of our women's liking. But, I used to hear my grandma say, there's nothing worse than a silly woman. I never really knew what she meant by that. I was thinking silly as in 'funny.' But now, I think silly meant 'dangerous.'

Now, here's a question for anyone: Now considering this what Meta said

Many families shunned our traditional practices and even forbade each other from practicing because of fear of being 'caught' and then maybe beaten or killed. maybe worse. Therefore, much was lost. How do we get the knowledge back since some of us fall in the category with the people who were afraid to teach it to their children?
And how do we 'search' for it without disrupting something or someone and risk hurting ourselves?

The knowledge of our traditions never got lost. It went underground, but now it is resurfacing.

The first step to initiation into any spiritual system, is to get a Roots Reading, which tells you your ethnic background and the system you are suppose to initiate into.

That is such a good question Queen Lite16. What's funny, just before reading your post I was thinking that there are soooooo many independent and very low budget movies that come out of Africa, South America and the Islands that Africans in America never see.

Movies that speak about African spiritual culture and even give allot of very good information about how we perform rituals, conjure spirits etc. I would love to create a library of such content and share it online. What I find interesting is that Asian cultures have made "martial art" films into a billion dollar empire. How many people watch these films and start believing they can learn kung-fu or karate because of them? It's not that Africans don't share their spiritual knowledge in movies, actually they do, but European companies especially don't want to distribute them- especially in the case where that knowledge is very effective. Now you might get a taste or two out of movies like "Ghost Son" or "Serpent and the Rainbow." But nothing extreme.

So to answer your question how do we get our knowledge back? Gain from the knowledge that our Masters are giving out, whether it be in print, film or web. I believe in self-initiates, but I think such people should treat their craft seriously and not use it for play play. Sometimes when we self-initiate without the proper guidance or guides we end up doing more harm to ourselves. I've seen it happen personally.

As far as practicing safely......it's a matter of mathematics, something that should never be void of spirit craft or science. If a Woman can conjure up a spirit to get her Man to treat her better for example. Certainly she should be wise enough to know she could bring serious harm to that Man if she wanted too. Practice the weaker and the less harmless arts and use your understanding to see how it would work out if your enhanced your abilities.

In Sholanda's case sometimes your own emotions can blind you. One reason Black Women are some of the most powerful magicians on the planet is because of that emotional charge, which could be dangerous also. There was a case where a Woman tried something like that on a Master Male Conjurer and he laughed at the spirit and sent it back to her and it killed her. Her mistake was that this Man was wealthier than her in knowledge, so he "fed" her spirit properly whereas she didn't. I mean, you should really know the level of what you are dealing with. Which is why I stick with psychic influences, only because my "Guides" don't exist in this realm as yet.

But those who are willing to master these rites should.

I have a Nigerian friend I joke with all the time, insisting to him that I might decide to move to Nigeria. While he brags about Nigeria's economy- he constantly warns me about going. "If the Women want you- they will seek to get you!" He said. Naturally he says that because of his terrible experience. He broke a Nigerian Woman's heart so she decided to bury some of his items along with a loc of his hair in a cemetery. Don't get him started on that story, he'd scream about it until his eyes turn bloodshot red. And it happened about 7-8 years ago. He said it turned his life upside down, "I felt like a deadman walking." He said.

What eventually rid him of the spell, was a series of very expensive interventions of behalf of some very power African psychics that instructed him on what he had to do to clean himself off. He never told me what it was he had to do. I assumed it had to something horrible why he never mentioned it.

Bro. Sekhemu- great information and questions.
Even though I was raised up the the Shango Spiritual Baptist tradition, I didn't pay much attention to it. I was usually upset whenever someone was possessed by a spirit, no matter what area of the room they were in they would always some how make their way over to me, and fall on me. Even at five years old it's still embarrassing.

But to say I didn't pay attention to it means I wasn't conscious of how what was going on around me was being absorbed. I know a part of me is always angry that history calls my Ancestors Christians, just as the European religious census calls much of the Afro-Caribbean Christians, along with South America on up through the south. My mother tried to beat the Shango out of my because I was trying to set the house on fire.

Now to be uninitiated in anything of this magnitude is an unsettling thought.
Just for the mere fact that you are dealing with Spirits that require a certain level of attention. Certain rituals. Certain meals. Certain comforts. And I imagine we have so many broken contracts as African people, that perhaps even our Spirits that we no longer honor, have in a hand or had a hand in our enslavement.

Christianity is supposed to cure us of our African beliefs. Purge us of the sins of magick, conjuring, summoning and feeding the dead. Some will say, we are better off without those traditions. Even in Africa many converts are saying it. And I've asked Native Africans this question. "Has converting to Christianity allowed you a better system to control Europeans and Africa, or has it allowed Europeans a better system of controlling Africans?"

If Women and Men like Sholanda mastered their craft better, I don't see how any type of oppression or imperialism could be possible. I believe it does come down to the honoring of the dead, and respecting the "library." For the same reason it is about honoring our Elders, because they also have vast libraries of knowledge. At least the Asians have figured out that much.

If Women and Men like Sholanda mastered their craft better, I don't see how any type of oppression or imperialism could be possible

True, and this applies to Africans across the board.

The challenge continues to be to face, combat, conquer and eventually harmonize our lower and elevated halves.

The knowledge of our traditions never got lost. It went underground, but now it is resurfacing.

The first step to initiation into any spiritual system, is to get a Roots Reading, which tells you your ethnic background and the system you are suppose to initiate into.

Thank you Knowledge Seed. I never heard of a Roots Reading. How and Where would I get one of these? Have you had one?

I am not fully sure about initiation into any system, (I guess bc I have been going at it alone for a few years) but I think this information would be helpful for me and others.

That is such a good question Queen Lite16. What's funny, just before reading your post I was thinking that there are soooooo many independent and very low budget movies that come out of Africa, South America and the Islands that Africans in America never see.

Movies that speak about African spiritual culture and even give allot of very good information about how we perform rituals, conjure spirits etc. I would love to create a library of such content and share it online. What I find interesting is that Asian cultures have made "martial art" films into a billion dollar empire. How many people watch these films and start believing they can learn kung-fu or karate because of them? It's not that Africans don't share their spiritual knowledge in movies, actually they do, but European companies especially don't want to distribute them- especially in the case where that knowledge is very effective. Now you might get a taste or two out of movies like "Ghost Son" or "Serpent and the Rainbow." But nothing extreme.

So to answer your question how do we get our knowledge back? Gain from the knowledge that our Masters are giving out, whether it be in print, film or web. I believe in self-initiates, but I think such people should treat their craft seriously and not use it for play play. Sometimes when we self-initiate without the proper guidance or guides we end up doing more harm to ourselves. I've seen it happen personally.

As far as practicing safely......it's a matter of mathematics, something that should never be void of spirit craft or science. If a Woman can conjure up a spirit to get her Man to treat her better for example. Certainly she should be wise enough to know she could bring serious harm to that Man if she wanted too. Practice the weaker and the less harmless arts and use your understanding to see how it would work out if your enhanced your abilities.

In Sholanda's case sometimes your own emotions can blind you. One reason Black Women are some of the most powerful magicians on the planet is because of that emotional charge, which could be dangerous also. There was a case where a Woman tried something like that on a Master Male Conjurer and he laughed at the spirit and sent it back to her and it killed her. Her mistake was that this Man was wealthier than her in knowledge, so he "fed" her spirit properly whereas she didn't. I mean, you should really know the level of what you are dealing with. Which is why I stick with psychic influences, only because my "Guides" don't exist in this realm as yet.

But those who are willing to master these rites should.

Funny you mention the African movies too. I was drawn to them after my former hair dresser used to play them in her shop all the time. I thought wow, we (African Americans) are missing out on something big. We beg to get a mention in a movie here in the States when our brothers and sisters in Africa are producing their own and creating big business. I think it's great. And yes, I see the potential to spread our 'knowledge' with those movies as well.

Don't worry Brother Metasaience, I'll take my time and do it right.
Throwback :laugh:

Thank you Knowledge Seed. I never heard of a Roots Reading. How and Where would I get one of these? Have you had one?

I am not fully sure about initiation into any system, (I guess bc I have been going at it alone for a few years) but I think this information would be helpful for me and others.
No, I haven't had a Roots Reading before, but I am getting one in early 2009.

Since you're in GA, I'm assuming you live in the Atlanta area. If I'm correct, you can get one from a brother named Awotunde.

There are several places to go, but you have to know what you are looking for.

No, I haven't had a Roots Reading before, but I am getting one in early 2009.

Since you're in GA, I'm assuming you live in the Atlanta area. If I'm correct, you can get one from a brother named Awotunde.

There are several places to go, but you have to know what you are looking for.

Nice. thank you. I am actually in NYC at the time being. But great. I'll be down there soon and often. I have written the name down. Anyone else here ever had a Roots Reading done before?

Nice. thank you. I am actually in NYC at the time being. But great. I'll be down there soon and often. I have written the name down. Anyone else here ever had a Roots Reading done before?

Sister how long you will be in NYC, perhaps I can get you in contact with a Priest (Awo) that can perform a reading for you?

The knowledge of our traditions never got lost. It went underground, but now it is resurfacing.

The first step to initiation into any spiritual system, is to get a Roots Reading, which tells you your ethnic background and the system you are suppose to initiate into.

If I may, allow me to make to humbly make one or two corrections.

1) The first step in being initiated into Ifa, or any other of it's various branches, is to that you will receive your Ilekes. This should be determined by the diviner upon your first encounter in a place called an Ojubo

2) Not all Awos will perform Ipela Fa (determining your family tree/bloodline) upon your initial visit and divination.

3) Not everyone needs to be initiated, if need be, Orunmila will make the detemination for you.

The main objective of all devotees is to bring about an insight to inner awareness of self, and then to harmonize that self with family and community. This is known as achieving Iwa Pele, or divine and balanced character.

Movies of interest:

Wedlock of the Gods
http://www.brightcove.tv/title.jsp?title=1406588717&channel=959059306
Scroll for parts 2-5.

You really have to search long and hard for good African movies, or "Nollywood" films. Especially if you are looking for knowledge, most of the movies are driven by a Christian theme, but there are a small few outside of that range.

http://www.nollywoodmovies.tv/
http://www.allafricanmovies.com/

But could true Vodou really be explained in a movie or documentary?
I think it depends on "who" is telling the story.

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Interesting.
http://www.nypost.com/seven/06242008/news/nationalnews/baracks_a_charmer_116926.htm

Sister how long you will be in NYC, perhaps I can get you in contact with a Priest (Awo) that can perform a reading for you?
Greetings Sekhemu-
I appreciate your instruction and advice. I will be here for a while.
Reading?? Perhaps. Here's my email: lite1690@yahoo.com.
Thanks!!

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An average Woman would’ve just divorced her Husband after she caught him cheating. But not Sholanda. She has to go the extra mile. Because she comes from a long line of dark and mysterious Women that settled their disputes the ol’ fashion way. They rooted you.

To make matters worse, her Husband didn’t even know she knew he was cheating. She just happened to figured it all out one day while she was out getting her hair done. As she sat under the hair dryer, she played back her relationship in slow motion. Within a month she saw her Husband go from “Joe the Plumber” to a Steve Harvey Pimp Suit wearing Playa of the year. “What’s that all about?” She thought to herself. It was then that her Nana AnnieMae Bishop showed up in her mind saying “babe, don’t you know this Man cheating of you?” She couldn’t just go on AnnieMae’s word, so later on she knew all she had to do was ask her Husband one quick question and his face- not his words- but his face would reveal the answer.

“You f—ing some other broad?” She said, as matteroffactly as possible, as directly as possible- right when he strolled in the house smelling like Christmas cologne and beer. “Woman you crazy” he said trying to make his way upstairs to change out of his "Super pimp” uniform. Sholanda knew “woman you crazy” wasn’t an answer to her question. It was an attempt to turn the moment into a comedy, something he’d often do to prevent an argument. But his face said it all. When her Husband was trying to think up a lie about something he’d look down at his watch, even when he wasn’t wearing one. In this case he was, but he made it upstairs fast enough to a safe place where he could think up his rebuttals.

He gave a good list of explanations. But Sholanda knew better. AnnieMae never shows up to tell any lies. Her Husband obviously forgot Sholanda’s middle name. Sholanda “You don’t know who you messing with” Wallace. Was Sholanda out to kill her Husband? No. She just wanted to teach him a lesson and then in time she planned on doing the same to him. She imagined him coming home while she was in bed with his best Friend and his Boss from work. But even that was too amateurish for Sholanda.

The Women of Sholanda’s family followed their own one true religion. They knew something that the Bible doesn’t teach. The truth about the dead. Nana AnnieMae taught everyone how to get money when they needed it, how to win over people when they needed too, and how to get their vengeance on those that opposed them. She would say “when you don’t know, ask, go to that library and find out what you need to know! That library is your Chuch’ and your salvation!” The library AnneMae was talking about wasn’t that quite place with all the books, but that quite place with all the bodies. The cemetery.

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AnnieMae passed on the belief to her Daughters that Black folk or any folk for that matter that don’t honor the dead have no control over what happens to them in life. She taught everyone how to speak effectively with the dead, and most importantly- how the dead speak back.

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When AnnieMae was 35 years old she was one of the wealthiest Women in their Georgia town. A Black Woman, and White folks couldn’t understand how she did it. No one knew why AnnieMae had so much control and power of those White folks, even when there were lynching and killings going on.
She told her secrets only to the Females in the family. She was one of those people that would keep track of all those that died in the Town, especially rich White folks. She said – never be afraid to visit the grave of a wealthy White Woman or Man, and you take that dirt from up off that grave and you sprinkle that dirt around your own house. You keep visiting that Grave even more so than that person’s own family. Spirits are always watching, they never stop watching. They never stop taking either.

Sholanda went to the “library” and confirmed that her Husband was indeed cheating with some Go-Go Dancer he met one day after work. He helped her get her car fixed, and she was the one dressing him up in all these flashy clothes. She loved playing dress up. The spirit Sholanda went too to find this out was a nosey old Lady that used to live right next door to them that passed away 2 months back. She was always watching her Husband in life so she figured even “after-life” she’d still be keeping a good eye on him.

So Sholanda decided to find the prefect spirit that would possess the body of her Husband new fling. She decided it would be this female she heard of that was stabbed by her Husband. AnnieMae taught everyone the correct way to conjurer up a spirit. Sometimes it would take days and even weeks for a spirit to show up. Once she did show up, Sholanda gave the spirit her instructions.

Every night for about 3 weeks, Sholanda’s Husband was coming home like normal. Still dressed up in his pimp suits, still smiling, laughing and happy. Sholanda figured, what ever she did- wasn’t working. She decided to wait another week at least. Then the night came when her Husband didn’t come home at all.

The next day she called his job, no one had seen him. She called his Mother’s house- no one seen him there either. About 2 days later the Police showed up at her home, to give her the terrible news. Her Husband was dead. Stabbed to dead after his new lover went into a jealous rage.

They took Sholanda downtown to view the body. She really didn’t think this would end in the death of her Husband. It shocked her. They uncovered his body and his face made her break down in tears. In her mind she knew it was her fault. The spirit she had conjured was seeking revenge on her own Husband and wanted to get back at someone for what happened to her. She remembered AnnieMae’s word “we give them spirits power to do what they can’t do alone.”

Sholanda demanded to see her Husband’s killer so about 2 of the Officers escorted her to the holding cell where they kept inmates waiting for a trial. When Sholanda looked beyond the bars of the cell, her knees grew weak- she had no other choice but to fall on the floor screaming.

Her Husband’s lover was a Transvestite.

Public Spiritual Announcement:
The most dangerous spiritual crafts, are the ones we fail to master.
If you can't understand it, if you can't practice it then you will never master it- so you shouldn't be playing with it.
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PS- Sholanda is now single.

Oh My gosh Brother MetaSaience ... this story is ... uhhhh ... scary ... on a few levels, to me.

I want to laugh because you almost make it humorous, though i don't believe that's your intent?

How you gonna say names and stuff have been changed to protect the guilty, then post a wedding picture of Sholanda ... :lol: ... oh my gosh ... i know that can't be her, can it? Surely Brothers will be running from whoever that Sister is in the picture, just on GP!

Okay ... how Sholanda get it so wrong?! How her husband end up dead, if that wasn't her intent? I mean, she had the wisdom of Nana AnnieMae and everything! She came from a long line of women, with this knowledge, and the Brother ended up dead ... accidently?! If those who are the most knowledgeable can make such errors, what kind of outcomes can the rest of us expect?! :eeek: ... i believe this is the scary part of it, for me.

Okay ... another thing ... what's the significance of her husband's lover being a transvestite? With you ending with that statement, it all catching her off-guard, i get the feeling that there's more to that than meets the eye? If so, please let me know.

lol @ Sholanda is now single ... :lol: ... and i'd imagine she's gonna remain that way ... if'n she can ever be tied to this story!

Ohhhhh but you know what ... my Great Aunt Josephine told me one time, that she aint never gotta worry about having a Man in her life, as long as there are graveyards! She was like 80 when she said that! :eeek:

God is My Witness ... My Auntie told me that ... so ... i guess Sholanda don't gotta worry either?!

Great Story Brother MetaSaience ... Thanks for Sharing!

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Destee

Oh My gosh Brother MetaSaience ... this story is ... uhhhh ... scary ... on a few levels, to me.

I want to laugh because you almost make it humorous, though i don't believe that's your intent?

How you gonna say names and stuff have been changed to protect the guilty, then post a wedding picture of Sholanda ... :lol: ... oh my gosh ... i know that can't be her, can it? Surely Brothers will be running from whoever that Sister is in the picture, just on GP!

Okay ... how Sholanda get it so wrong?! How her husband end up dead, if that wasn't her intent? I mean, she had the wisdom of Nana AnnieMae and everything! She came from a long line of women, with this knowledge, and the Brother ended up dead ... accidently?! If those who are the most knowledgeable can make such errors, what kind of outcomes can the rest of us expect?! :eeek: ... i believe this is the scary part of it, for me.

Okay ... another thing ... what's the significance of her husband's lover being a transvestite? With you ending with that statement, it all catching her off-guard, i get the feeling that there's more to that than meets the eye? If so, please let me know.

lol @ Sholanda is now single ... :lol: ... and i'd imagine she's gonna remain that way ... if'n she can ever be tied to this story!

Ohhhhh but you know what ... my Great Aunt Josephine told me one time, that she aint never gotta worry about having a Man in her life, as long as there are graveyards! She was like 80 when she said that! :eeek:

God is My Witness ... My Auntie told me that ... so ... i guess Sholanda don't gotta worry either?!

Great Story Brother MetaSaience ... Thanks for Sharing!

:heart:

Destee

At a quick glance that couple looks like Angela Bassett and Courtney B. Vance.

At a quick glance that couple looks like Angela Bassett and Courtney B. Vance.

ohhhh okay ... Thanks Brother ... i had no idea who they were ... i thot it was Sholanda nem ... :lol:

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Destee

Goddess Destee, thanks for reading! I wouldn't dare post a photo of such a powerful Woman online without her knowledge especially! But that stock photo is a random couple I believed would fit the profile the best. Sholanda's true identity is well protected.

Honestly no one knew she was into the craft like that. Transvestite murders happen all the time, but usually it's the other way around. When the Men find out the Woman is actually a Man they sometimes go into a rage a kill that person.

In some cultures they believe the disparity between Men and Women are on purpose. Some Women commune and have sex with spirits and then transfer that power and knowledge to other Women who are the main reproducers of children in the family. I think we mentioned this on another thread where we were discussing the movie "Eve's Bayou" sometimes when those Women who are supposed to be wedded to the spirit world try having relations with Men, it can be fatal for those Men.

Sholanda's mistake was 2 fold. She learned about her Husband's infidelity from the mind of a spirit that perhaps didn't communicate the full details. Perhaps if she knew her Husband's "new fling" was a Transey, it would've been less of a vengeful act. Most Women just find that disgusting. Naturally a divorce would be in order and that would be that. I'm sure Eddie Murphy's Wife eventually found out about his lifestyle and saw the disgust in it.

Her 2nd mistake was that she conjured a spirit that was seeking revenge anyway. A spirit that was stabbed by her own Husband perhaps for infidelity as well. When that spirit possessed the Transey, it did what was done to it. Which might be true what spiritualist say, we often seek to do or un-do what was done to us.

In my family my practicing Aunts would say the easiest people to possess are Men that drink, take drugs, children and foolish Women. About a year or so ago a Man in Atlanta came home, and it's still unknown why he did it. He took his two young Sons outside into the woods, killed them and then himself. Rumors surrounding the case says his Woman, the Mother of the children was cheating on him with a very powerful spiritual practitioner. When she decided to break up with him to devote herself to her family he decided otherwise.

I saved a friend from suicided in Florida because he was messing with the same Haitian female I was dating only 3 months before him. The central different between him and I was that I always take the time to speak with the spirits around me that protect me, meanwhile he did allot of drinking. This same female told me she tried to harm me before and her own spirits told her that I had too many "strong ones" around me. In her words "you are like a undiscovered King"

I can't say there aren't those who weren't unsuccessful, it depends on how much you love these Women. Love literally breaks down barriers, which is also very dangerous especially if that person is secretly out to harm you. I never put anything past a Black Woman, regardless of how conscious or un-conscious they might be. Truth be told there are Women out there conjuring up spirits and don't even realize that's what they are doing.

I watched a close friend of mine send every Man she has ever dated to Prison. I finally convinced her to get a reading and she found on her Grandmother was a practicing Witch and had made contracts with different spirits that was taking it out on the females in the family. Every female in the family is manless. I'm talking about common colds last longer in her family than the Men.

So naturally the only way such families can reproduce is as quickly as possible, because the Men can never stay around the Women long enough to raise the children. And on Keshia Cole's show- her family has the same issues and they call it a "generational curse." They have no idea how deep that rabbit hole goes.

There are ways to end these curses, but we have to be wise enough and willing to follow the instructions. For me it was as simple as a spiritual bath or two. For a friend of mine he had to sleep with an old Gypsie lady. But wait a minute, don't knock it because it worked. At least- that's his story anyway. I suspect even some of the mummification rites in KMT had to do with the removing of curses. You don't have to be dead to be mummified. The point is "to be reborn."

I trust that those who commune with spirits know that they don't always see life as we see it. Sometimes they reality they view is backwards. For example, I have people who are always trying to get their spirits to read me, and usually they tell them about what I dream about more so than what I am actually doing. Maybe I sleep too much? The point is spirits don't always view the same reality. And only those who treat their craft with seriousness really learn the difference.

Public Spiritual Announcement:
The most dangerous spiritual crafts, are the ones we fail to master.
If you can't understand it, if you can't practice it then you will never master it- so you shouldn't be playing with it.

Noted.


Don't get him started on that story, he'd scream about it until his eyes turn bloodshot red.

Lol. Oh my.

I never put anything past a Black Woman, regardless of how conscious or un-conscious they might be.

Lol. Hmph.

I watched a close friend of mine send every Man she has ever dated to Prison. I finally convinced her to get a reading and she found on her Grandmother was a practicing Witch and had made contracts with different spirits that was taking it out on the females in the family. Every female in the family is manless. I'm talking about common colds last longer in her family than the Men.

I can relate.

For a friend of mine he had to sleep with an old Gypsie lady. But wait a minute, don't knock it because it worked.

Ahaha. Eww. I have met Gypsies, young and old, blech.

The point is spirits don't always view the same reality. And only those who treat their craft with seriousness really learn the difference.



Indeed.

I came, I learnt, and I was entertained. Good stuff Brother Metasaience!

Queen Alex! I know you have more to offer than that! What advice would you have for Sistahs like Sholanda...because you know they're reading.

Bro. Sekhemu and Bro. Knowledge Seed made some major points. I believe in having readings done myself as well as proper initiation either by practitioners or by spirits themselves that guide us. So did Morpheus. Which is why he took Neo to see the Oracle. That scene struck me personally, because the Oracle lived in the projects if you noticed. Very similar to the projects I remembered in Harlem, and sure enough there was a Woman that lived there that had some of the wealthiest clients in New York City.

It appears to be very important for a person to understand not only their destiny, but how they are being viewed by the spirit world. Psychology has embraced that concept under the heading of "regression therapy." Unknown to most Black people in the religious community, regression therapy is re-scripting the religious paradigm, because not only are people aware that they are reincarnated beings, but in some cases regression therapy allows people to become more aware of their spiritual ancestry.

This is also part of the reason why "new age" and "sci-fi" religions are becoming more popular. Once you become regressed certain religious ideologies will not make sense to you anymore.

The consensus in the spirit world is saying that Humans are "stuck" and aren't evolving spiritually. The whole idea behind "the kingdom of heaven is at hand" was the eventual creation of a bridge between the physical world and spiritual world, one that did not require birth, but a direct and fluid movement so that spirits wishing to experience life could do so without going through the process of birth. This agenda is halted especially by the lack of spiritual science among common Africans.

It is clear, that the only ones capable of such a task- are Africans themselves. For example African magicians perfected a method most Europeans call "sin eating" it is a form of religious magick still performed, and in fact - communion as performed in Churches is a style of "sin-eating."

During the burial ritual, the High Priest would perform a rite that absorbed that dead person's "sins" or negative karma(memories, guilts, regrets etc.) that energy would then be transfered into foods like bread and wine. The High Priest would then drink and eat the food taking away the "sins" of that person. Obviously there's allot that can be mentioned here, but in a nutshell, that spiritual science allowed spirits to ascend.

Africans weren't conjuring up spirits just because they could, or getting possessed or mounted by spirits just because it was something fun to do on a weekend. These rites were different forms of "sin-eating" allowing spirits to experience moments that would cause their ascension. And in some cases allowing them to communicate things that kept them in bondage to the earth. Most of us haven't realized yet that "Spirits in Bodies" are actually the minority on this planet. There are actually more Spirits "out of bodies" many that cannot ascend, meaning they can't shake their form and reach a higher vibrational level.

What's interesting is these rites are in our blood. They still remain in us. Some of us have the power to conjurer up spirits into ourselves. Self-conjurers. Mike Tyson did so before every fight. Beyonce does it, she summons an alter-ego named Sasha Fierce. Even some prostitutes and erotic dancers confess to being able to summon spirits to do the work they do. Denzel Washington conjurers up spirits to perform his characters. Like Shamans some Ball ballers summon the elements themselves. Speed and even flight are controlled by etheric force.

Like a Spiritual Practitioner one said to me "most people don't know they have tails, so you can pull a person's spiritual tail and cause them all types of pain, only because they are not conscious one is even there."

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Ironically, the only Human beings on the planet- that are made aware of their "tails" at least how desired that area is, are Women- and especially Black Women. There are even folk stories about how the African Woman's behind being the result of her tail being curled up under her garment. Different versions of the story talk about a Reptile Queen that hid her tail in this fashion.

Another interesting rumor among some African practitioners, the longer a Woman's tail, the larger the behind- the more powerful. Now look. It's seems like something worth laughing at at first. But the tail is the antenna into the spirit world, this is true for the Male penis as well. That being so, it makes sense that African Women can conjure spirits through dance.

While "booty dancing" has been used to illustrate how well a female can master the sexual member of a Man, the original dances are Shamanic, where African/indigenous Women would "shake their tails" in order to conjurer up the Ancestors and please the Deities.

Don't be surprised that Whites are learning our higher sciences better than some of us are willing.

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What a story!!! Yet, it seems vaguely familiar in some kind of way. Not sure if I read something like it at some point a while ago. As always, I learn so much when I come here. I usually hang in the background because I am no where near the level of the minds here, but I can't help but to be drawn/guided here at the appropriate time.

If this helps anyone... I had a divination performed by a Babalawo here in Chicago.. (no, looks like its not for me to get to ATL at this time... *sigh*).. and its was powerful. One of the things that came up was getting rooted in my ancestry because of different events that happening currently as well as carrying on a family legacy (which I have no clue about, to be honest)... but it was all in line with experiences that I had been having throughout the year. I'm hoping to have the Roots Reading done before the end of this year. I'm not looking to be initiated into anything (unless the reading says otherwise), but mainly understanding my "ethnicity" and to reconnect. I have a genuine respect for the power of our African spiritual systems and I certainly don't want to end up like Sholanda.

At the same time, where do we find the balance between learning and applying spiritual knowledge?

I have read many of the threads here and noticed that many are in agreement that the African woman has great spiritual power. I'd like to understand how to apply and use it for the good of my family and my people in general. Or maybe this is too much for me to focus on at this point... yet, I would be lying if I did not admit my natural attraction to metaphysics and spiritual things.

In most traditional African societies, "Mothers" or witches and Traditional Priest/ess are typically on opposite ends of the healing/spiritual spectrum.

There is no code of ethics required of full fledged or would be witches, as it relates to witches in traditional African society. Fortunately or unfortunately. this can pose a serious challenge for traditional priest. When when the Sh*t hits the proverbial spiritual fan, a priest is consulted for guidance. The petitioner can be Muslim or Christian, it matters not, at least not in Africa.

Unfortunately time doesn't permit me to elaborate any further, but I will offer additional insights very shortly

Peace and Light fam!

Odabo

Greetings Bro Meta, I'm just catching up on another interesting and thought provoking thread - and one with 'under currents' of lessons ....

IMO Sholanda's need to 'teach her husband a lesson' /no amateurish tactics clouded her judgment. Guidance/advice was given to her by a trusted family member. She then sought advice from a 'nosy neighbour' - who gave her information which she misinterpreted. The new lover encouraged the husband in dress in 'flashy' clothes and "SHE loved playing dress up". Sholanda then spent time and effort invoking a random 'murderess' to do her bidding - never a good idea and a recipe for disaster.

Sholanda's 'singleness' may have been inevitable - had she listened carefully to Aunt AnnieMae and even perhaps the 'nosy neighbour' - her 'singleness' may have been the result of a divorce and not a vengeful murder with all the associated guilt which she now shoulders.:qqb023:

Anyway, just my two cent ....

Sholanda's story has me thinking too.

It is my feeling that, the spirit world invests a great deal of energy in African Women, because traditionally African Women have invested a great deal of energy in the spirit world. When we read about the Daughters of Isis for example, we are talking about Women that were as seriously devoted to a continuity with the spirit world as some Women today are serious about the continuity of their sex life.

That was their sex life in fact.

We read of the African Sybils, we are speaking about Women that devoted most if not all of their lives to the "spiritual accuracy" with hidden Deities that enlightened them about the past, present and future. Such Women still speak to us today through the appearances of the Virgin Mary- which like Jesus is nothing more than a Sigil for spiritual and astral influences.

The African Mother is our Genesis. We are all "Genes" out of "Isis." What we must figure out is which genes? Religion is only "union" but with what? If anything, we are supposed to be "religious" about our genes, the genius within ourselves.

Early Africans sculpted their Gods and Goddesses out of animals and nature, out of the cosmos of their relationship with the Sun. African people created "patterns" that bring about unions with our Deities in an actuality our true selves. These patterns are what lay dormant in our genes. Because those patterns display a repetitive cycle throughout generations.

Black life on planet Earth has created "etched" dominant patterns in our genes. Many of these patterns, especially for African Women deal with a superior ability to see beyond the seen and into the unknown. Most Religions are designed to restrict Women and especially African Women from using what is within them already.

Yet some Christian Women- when following their own inner guidance would pick up a deck of Tarots and master it in less than a month as if trained by the greatest Oracles in the world. How? And yet there are those who would see the spirits of the Ancestors coming back to visit them and would call them Demons and run for the holy water. And even those who call the name of a dead relative and this relative would be summoned in front of them.

The African Man is the re-finer of feminine energy. A well trained God can also discharge spirits that possess him through his penis. What I am saying is, your practice could be with any Black Man with the ability the generate a high vibration- and one who is also trained to received the spirit world.

Sex is possession anyway if you're doing it right.

What most African Men don't realize, but should- is that we are the gatekeepers between the un-conscious Sistahs we see today and the higher evolved Goddesses we read about. The goal is, if one really wants to access and use their Ancestral gifts, they must be devoted to it.

I'm sure even Sholanda's AnnieMae was very devoted to her craft. The difference between being a God or Goddess, (whether on the light or dark side) and a regular Human being is 24-7 devotion to your spirit craft- whatever it maybe. Not everyone wants to conjurer spirits, or run around the house holding a stick of incense and a white candle- some of us feel the dead should stay dead and at peace. But we all possess some aspect of Gene Isis, The Mother. When we learn that aspect, we can use our mind to fold time, and even darken the Sun -beit even within ourselves.

The true "Christ-ians" are the Sons and Daughters of the Ancients that symbolized their spiritual abilities with their God Heru and others, they are therefore Heruians- or Heroes, the protectors.

Ask yourself, how would you go about protecting yourself against a spiritual and invisible enemy? Find that truth and master it.

Listen....

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