Hello family....

A few week ago I was in a discussion about the movie "Crash" and the question came up if you were in your car with your wife and some cops came up and pull u over for going through a yellow light. Now while they[the cops] ran your plates and license one of the officers got fresh with your wife. What would u do? My answer was that I would try and protect her... in what ever way necessary. Most in the discussion seem to think that by standing by and letting whatever happen to happen and not do anything to cause yourself to be arrested was the better way to handle the situation. Then try and seek revenge later. What really got me was most of the sisters agreed.

As I stated this discussion was a few weeks ago and I have been pondering this scenario every sense. And for the life of me I just can't seem to wrap my head around that waiting for revenge stuff. What is happening is happening right then and there. In your face..up close and very personal..What the hell does revenge have to do with protecting your woman?...I just don't see it. I could see if you were not there and found out about it later. But it is happening right then and there. In your face..up close and very personal. Are we still on the plantation on our knees? Or are we men... men who's job it is suppose to be... to protect our women?

Still pondering....
Lilpea :1on1:

Then try and seek revenge later. What really got me was most of the sisters agreed.

hahahahahahahhahaa just kiddin' ladies had to get that in it was too easy

anyways BIGLILPEA

what type of revenge will/can you bring on a "to be determined later"
basis? to the police no less that train of thought my work in the streets but against cops to make them pay, well make sure you can bring it like the movie
assault on the 13th Precinct

it has to be address RIGHT THERE, EVEN IF YOU GET ARRESTED
I'M GOING GET ARRESTED PROTECTING MY QUEEN
there are real cops out there, a cop that would do what was done in CRASH
is a punk, a little boy

GUN OR NO GUN BADGE OR NO BADGE, i'm protecting my women
of course you can't make rash decision but sometimes you need to do the
unexpected, like slap the ish of him and take my chances in court

yes you might spend time in jail and lose your job and stuff

so you have to think before you act

and that's why our hands are tied here because it's dealing with a dirty cop

as oppose to just some knucklehead in the streets

i think it comes down to picking and choosing your battles

BUT I WOULD STAND UP IMMEDIATELY AND LET THEM KNOW THAT WAS
UNACCEPTABLE, whatever happens after that i'll take it from there

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Hello family....

A few week ago I was in a discussion about the movie "Crash" and the question came up if you were in your car with your wife and some cops came up and pull u over for going through a yellow light. Now while they[the cops] ran your plates and license one of the officers got fresh with your wife. What would u do? My answer was that I would try and protect her... in what ever way necessary. Most in the discussion seem to think that by standing by and letting whatever happen to happen and not do anything to cause yourself to be arrested was the better way to handle the situation. Then try and seek revenge later. What really got me was most of the sisters agreed.

As I stated this discussion was a few weeks ago and I have been pondering this scenario every sense. And for the life of me I just can't seem to wrap my head around that waiting for revenge stuff. What is happening is happening right then and there. In your face..up close and very personal..What the hell does revenge have to do with protecting your woman?...I just don't see it. I could see if you were not there and found out about it later. But it is happening right then and there. In your face..up close and very personal. Are we still on the plantation on our knees? Or are we men... men who's job it is suppose to be... to protect our women?

Still pondering....
Lilpea :1on1:


Sweet Pea, you and all the men need to discuss that at the next Men's chat forum. I'd be interested in the conclusions.

Sweet Pea, you and all the men need to discuss that at the next Men's chat forum. I'd be interested in the conclusions.

I'm a chess player so I know all about reckless moves regardless of what is going on....therefore I tend to treat life just like that chess game except in life the pieces don't come back that you lose, so you better move right the first time. That means to THINK AND THEN ACT.

Hello lilpea :)

That's a tough one, that particular situation - if anything, my partner would be trying to stop me from damaging the cop. grrrr.

In reference to the movie, I was not impressed with how the woman just stood there and took it, without a word.. her eyes pleading towards her man for protection only emphasised how far removed she was from reality. She thought she was white, right? An honorary white because of her background - she dogged him often for not playing the white game and she finally realized she had a bum hand no matter how hard she played. She didnt even show her cards! grrrr.

I do not imagine any Black woman would want her man beaten and jailed with NO JUSTICE in sight as we know very well the LAW will be protecting it's cop. And thats how it would be played out in court when my man got there:

cop: I was checking her for weapons
lawyer: did she object in any way?
cop: not at all.

so who wins? I can tell you who loses with 100% certainty.

Does it make my partner less of a man? absolutely not. When fighting against the 'long arm of the white law' we need to be together and work together. dividing us is the best they can do, and had you responded and gotten yourself jailed.. they would have succeeded. crap that.

I would prefer revenge. I'm cold that way ;) I'm not talking about lodging a formal complaint - I'm talking chess moves. I'll take revenge one step at a time, because I also know there are others fighting for my rights on a larger and louder scale. Every Black person plays a role in our liberation, and mine are at grass root level.

Dont get me wrong, I love the feeling of security and protection from a man - but I also recognize that some battles can only be won together, and we both will need to take a few punches before we get there.

:heart:

I'm a chess player so I know all about reckless moves regardless of what is going on....therefore I tend to treat life just like that chess game except in life the pieces don't come back that you lose, so you better move right the first time. That means to THINK AND THEN ACT.

i'm not reckless but sometimes whatever gonna happen is gonna happen

i like your analogy to chess here it makes so much sense

Yes, DSS - think then act. and together we are unbeatable :heart:
together we can ensure the man wont have fingers to feel anyone up again.. hehehehe

my bad ;)

Hello lilpea :)

That's a tough one, that particular situation - if anything, my partner would be trying to stop me from damaging the cop. grrrr.

In reference to the movie, I was not impressed with how the woman just stood there and took it, without a word.. her eyes pleading towards her man for protection only emphasised how far removed she was from reality. She thought she was white, right? An honorary white because of her background - she dogged him often for not playing the white game and she finally realized she had a bum hand no matter how hard she played. She didnt even show her cards! grrrr.

I do not imagine any Black woman would want her man beaten and jailed with NO JUSTICE in sight as we know very well the LAW will be protecting it's cop. And thats how it would be played out in court when my man got there:

cop: I was checking her for weapons
lawyer: did she object in any way?
cop: not at all.

so who wins? I can tell you who loses with 100% certainty.

Does it make my partner less of a man? absolutely not. When fighting against the 'long arm of the white law' we need to be together and work together. dividing us is the best they can do, and had you responded and gotten yourself jailed.. they would have succeeded. crap that.

I would prefer revenge. I'm cold that way ;) I'm not talking about lodging a formal complaint - I'm talking chess moves. I'll take revenge one step at a time, because I also know there are others fighting for my rights on a larger and louder scale. Every Black person plays a role in our liberation, and mine are at grass root level.

Dont get me wrong, I love the feeling of security and protection from a man - but I also recognize that some battles can only be won together, and we both will need to take a few punches before we get there.

:heart:

That's a tough one, that particular situation - if anything, my partner would be trying to stop me from damaging the cop. grrrr.


GRRRRRRRRRR

Yes, DSS - think then act. and together we are unbeatable :heart:
together we can ensure the man wont have fingers to feel anyone up again.. hehehehe

my bad ;)

SISTA Z


THANK YOU

:haha:

"SMH"

While you're busy planning and thinking...he's out there doing the same thing to your daughters and sisters...mayby even your mother... But to each his/her own. Personally I'd willingly go to jail if just to bring some attention to the situation and him off the streets. After that, then it's time for revenge.

Lilpea :1on1:

"SMH"

While you're busy planning and thinking...he's out there doing the same thing to your daughters and sisters...mayby even your mother... But to each his/her own. Personally I'd willingly go to jail if just to bring some attention to the situation and him off the streets. After that, then it's time for revenge.

Lilpea :1on1:

some attention??

how many of our brothers are STILL in prison on behalf of the entire black community and not just one woman.. how many hundreds have been rotting in prison for decades on "our" collective behalf? let alone for one person..

there is seldom an "after that" - our attention spans are too short.

that is the simple truth.

COLLECTIVE??


Who said any anything about the collective....You must have misunderstood my post...this is up close personal and in your face. The collective has nothing to do with it. I don't expect anybody to ever go to jail with me. Nor have I any intentions on taking anybody with me. All I'm saying is that I can not and will not just stand by while my woman is being molested....just because they happen to be officer's of the law. I'm not made like that, and hope I never except that state of being. For then I would consider myself not a man but nothing but a slave.

Lilpea :1on1:

pride before the fall, and all the jazz ;)

you're willing to go to prison so it might bring the situation to light... and then revenge. thats hollywood material! So I'm guessing your woman doesnt need you around, your support, your babies niether.. while you whittle sticks in prison and hope someone pays attention, right?

I would much prefer my man be able to hold his temper and work at a plan that will actually benefit us - personally (not collectively, as you say) because you going to prison isnt it.

But ok. maybe I'm missing something. Say you do stand up and fight back in that scene. you get to feel manly and worthy in the eyes of society - but what happens next? for real? on a personal level... ?

you get to be a slave in chains? hmmm? i'm sincerely curious to know what benefit it has.. personally... outside of ego.

i don't run yellow lights.....

Actually if we watch the movie and understand all the dynamics, he wasn't in a position to go to jail that night. He was in a position to get killed that night and that whiteman with the badge and gun was in a great position and mental mode to do it.

Zulile as u know I give respect and expect respect it return....when that drops it's over.. it has nothing to do with pride...but respect. Now to you that might mean something different...it might even mean pride. But to me it is deeper much deeper. You ask what could I do with me being lock up and my family left to fen for themselves...Well it has happen to me before...for this same reason. I beat it then and he got tossed of the force...as a matter of fact he is no longer period...sure I did 7 hrs. and made bail. But he made it personal and that's the way it ended. The point is he could no longer get away with it.

My higher power don't like ugly....
Lilpea :1on1:

the same reason? You got pulled over, your lady felt up, you fought back got locked up, set free within 7 hours and the cop was fired (now dead)? That's one for the books, bro :) sincerely!

From the earliest days of my childhood I have been taught 2 protect the women in my family no matter what. Moving from the city 2 the county or suburds as some would know it reinforced that teaching. I remember having 2 send my sisters home one direction while I had 2 face 3-6 angry white men, angry because we were there. I did this so that would not be harmed and was willing at that age (11) 2 die in defense of them.

Now, with that in mind and the knowledge I have aquried over these yrs I would have 2 say " From the depths of who I am I would die before I could stand there and allow that 2 past". I understand what everyone is saying but personally I cant see it. I asked females in my family and friends their opinion on this and and it was split 50-50.

Personally I believe that as Men we have allowed 2 much 2 happen. It takes me back 2 something I read. " The women is the focus and the key 2 control. Not wanting her man or son 2 die she will raise her son 2 be a fool and almost force her man 2 be submissive.

IMHO: It's not about chess nor pride. It's about being what the law of "Nature gave us".

Now I am a little conflicted by this. What man doesnt want 2 be there for his family but the question I have is, What kinda of man would u have if he could let this past? Seeking action after the fact may never happen and 2 me " The disrespect and degradation of my woman is more than enough 2 kill or be killed for.

Finally, If a man was 2 let something like this go tell me, How would u truly look at ur man? Would u say, "He loved me enough 2 stay stay with me or would u asked yourself "Am I safe with him" ?

Something 2 think about

Hello family....

A few week ago I was in a discussion about the movie "Crash" and the question came up if you were in your car with your wife and some cops came up and pull u over for going through a yellow light. Now while they[the cops] ran your plates and license one of the officers got fresh with your wife. What would u do? My answer was that I would try and protect her... in what ever way necessary. Most in the discussion seem to think that by standing by and letting whatever happen to happen and not do anything to cause yourself to be arrested was the better way to handle the situation. Then try and seek revenge later. What really got me was most of the sisters agreed.

As I stated this discussion was a few weeks ago and I have been pondering this scenario every sense. And for the life of me I just can't seem to wrap my head around that waiting for revenge stuff. What is happening is happening right then and there. In your face..up close and very personal..What the hell does revenge have to do with protecting your woman?...I just don't see it. I could see if you were not there and found out about it later. But it is happening right then and there. In your face..up close and very personal. Are we still on the plantation on our knees? Or are we men... men who's job it is suppose to be... to protect our women?

Still pondering....
Lilpea :1on1:



I am gonna have to agree with the other sisters who say wait for revenge. If you were my man, I would not want to take the risk that you might get hurt becuz some fool was saying stuff to me that don't bother me at all. Now, if the freshness involved the cop putting his hands on me then he-- yeah! I say we both take his a-- out because if you get into a fight with him, Im not just going to stand there, I'm gonna jump in and make sure we both get the job done. However, I understand it is a man thing, a man wants to not only protect his woman but he also wants to protect his respect as a man.



Sister

Astrologer4U

we need to keep in mind, that in that particular movie scenario, the cop wasnt looking for a fight.. he was looking for any reason to shoot to kill.

There are other scenarios where I would accept my man standing up, but not in a situation where his death is a near guarantee.

Hello family....

A few week ago I was in a discussion about the movie "Crash" and the question came up if you were in your car with your wife and some cops came up and pull u over for going through a yellow light. Now while they[the cops] ran your plates and license one of the officers got fresh with your wife. What would u do? My answer was that I would try and protect her... in what ever way necessary. Most in the discussion seem to think that by standing by and letting whatever happen to happen and not do anything to cause yourself to be arrested was the better way to handle the situation. Then try and seek revenge later. What really got me was most of the sisters agreed.

As I stated this discussion was a few weeks ago and I have been pondering this scenario every sense. And for the life of me I just can't seem to wrap my head around that waiting for revenge stuff. What is happening is happening right then and there. In your face..up close and very personal..What the hell does revenge have to do with protecting your woman?...I just don't see it. I could see if you were not there and found out about it later. But it is happening right then and there. In your face..up close and very personal. Are we still on the plantation on our knees? Or are we men... men who's job it is suppose to be... to protect our women?

Still pondering....
Lilpea :1on1:

This brings to mind a story my Father use to tell me. When he was a young man he shot a cop for harassing one of his Sisters. Now mind you, this all took place somewhere between the 1940s when racial injustices was openly demonstrated. He left his family and home town on the run from the law. He then enlisted in the army, compromised, he had to lie about his name and age because he wasn't old enough to enlist.

When i think about the disconnect it caused us (my siblings and i) i'm so hurt and frustrated by his actions. Yet, i'm proud of him too. Who knows for sure what would have happened to my aunt if he didn't intervene. This has cause us to never know our people on his side. And for that i often feel incomplete.

Sometimes there won't be enough time to rationally think about possible outcomes. You will have to do what you feel is absolutely necessary right then and there. I too would, and have put myself in harms way for a loved one. It's really a tough call when so much is at state. Happening right there in the now.

If my life isn't in immediate danger, i wouldn't want anyone to risk their life for my emotional being. I believe i'm strong enough to take one for the team if we both will survive it. However, if its certain that someone is going to die, its all worth the risk. It would probably be hard to live knowing that i stood, and did nothing while my loved one was killed.

:heart:

This brings to mind a story my Father use to tell me. When he was a young man he shot a cop for harassing one of his Sisters. Now mind you, this all took place somewhere between the 1940s when racial injustices was openly demonstrated. He left his family and home town on the run from the law. He then enlisted in the army, compromised, he had to lie about his name and age because he wasn't old enough to enlist.

When i think about the disconnect it caused us (my siblings and i) i'm so hurt and frustrated by his actions. Yet, i'm proud of him too. Who knows for sure what would have happened to my aunt if he didn't intervene. This has cause us to never know our people on his side. And for that i often feel incomplete.

Sometimes there won't be enough time to rationally think about possible outcomes. You will have to do what you feel is absolutely necessary right then and there. I too would, and have put myself in harms way for a loved one. It's really a tough call when so much is at state. Happening right there in the now.

If my life isn't in immediate danger, i wouldn't want anyone to risk their life for my emotional being. I believe I'm strong enough to take one for the team if we both will survive it. However, if its certain that someone is going to die, its all worth the risk. It would probably be hard to live knowing that i stood, and did nothing while my loved one was killed.

:heart:

Sister Purplemoon...

Sister thank you for sharing your story....this makes me ever so sure my thoughts were the right ones for me.

I am so sorry it ended the way it did....not knowing a part of u is a hurting thing but that is another topic which we share.... and i intend on doing a thread on it soon. So be on the look out.

Lilpea :1on1: