Hetep!

Would like to inquire about how the board feels about someone who practices homosexuality and refers to themself as conscious or afrocentric. I know a brother who is a homosexual, however has knowledge and is definitely living in line with the Ancestors and has a very African mind. Is this possible?? How do the board members feel about this?? Is he genuine or a fraud?? I know certain people such as Dr. York see nothing wrong with homosexuality but what is the larger concensus?? Does sexual orientation matter in regards to liberation, both spiritually and physically?? Please let me know what you think, im perplexed and dont want to befriend black tesheru or sebau unaware.

Hetep!

Hetep!

Would like to inquire about how the board feels about someone who practices homosexuality and refers to themself as conscious or afrocentric. I know a brother who is a homosexual, however has knowledge and is definitely living in line with the Ancestors and has a very African mind. Is this possible?? How do the board members feel about this?? Is he genuine or a fraud?? I know certain people such as Dr. York see nothing wrong with homosexuality but what is the larger concensus?? Does sexual orientation matter in regards to liberation, both spiritually and physically?? Please let me know what you think, im perplexed and dont want to befriend black tesheru or sebau unaware.

Hetep!

Hmm Interesting.
I'd like to know others opinions on this.

a couple previous threads on the subject that may be of interest:

Islam And Homosexuality... (www.destee.com/forums/showthread.php?t=14827&highlight=homosexuality)

Homosexuality and the Effeminization of Afrikan Males... (destee.com/forums/showthread.php?t=28785&highlight=homosexuality)

In my opinion, homosexuality is a social disease and the person you describe is a fraud.

Hetep!
Social Disease or moral disorder? and what is actually ,orality, is it relative or absolute? I understand that traditionally scholars, such as Diop and Clarke, have used European scholarship to state that homosexuality is foreign to Afreekans, however the scholarship which stated this was the height of racist polemics. (i.e it was thought Afreekans exist on an animal level and as such could only use sex for biological necessity, that is to mate.) What about animal homosexuality? Its occurs and as such is part of nature, which wholely obeys Nebertcher. Just interested, as I think alot of times we deal with European moral concepts and ideas and act as if they are pure. Can anyone direct me to a text to tell the brother? or a discussion of it? What about the so-called "two spirit" people, and indigenous Afreekan patterns of homosexuality which are mostly gender stratified homosexual relations. I really have a hard time relegating my brothers and sisters to the sebau because of whom they choose to sleep with, especially when a brother or sister can be with a pure devil, or be devilish in attitude and mind and we accept them more readily than one who is living as an Afreekan, just not mating with who we want.
Hetep!

p.s. If Amma is bisexual, then is it really effiminization, or tapping into female energies? are priest of Yemonja effeminized and thus a plague or are they tapping into the passive/feminine energy of creation??

This is the greatest CONTRADICTION THAT EVER EXISTED!!! First of all, "Knowledge and Information" are two different things. He's a Homo with information and that is all !! It only becomes KNOWLEDGE when it is internalized...which means that it is being "LIVED OUT" because it is an internal part of who they are....CUT AND DRY !!!!

Hetep!
Such emotional replies, argumentum ad hominem and all. I dont care what you personally think or feel, just direct me to a source of traditional Afreekan knowledge which says it cant be so. He may be a homo but hes still OUR BROTHER!!!! And if he is misguided we have a responsibility to help him, not lash out or abuse him.
Hetep

brother keita is right...there is a difference between knowledge and information....
the logical thing to do if u believe homosexuals to be conscious is to prove that fact...
asking someone to prove the inverse is a cop out when u have not yet proven ur assertion...

one love
khasm

Hetep!
Brother you read into my words that which isnt there. I have made no assertion, simply seeking truth not opinion. Who said homosexuality was wrong? the same one who said slaves obey your master, so what im trying to find is an AUTHENTIC AFREEKAN answer to the question, not one shaped by tamahus, whether they be european or arab.
Hetep!

Hetep!

Would like to inquire about how the board feels about someone who practices homosexuality and refers to themself as conscious or afrocentric. [...]Please let me know what you think..

Hetep!
Such emotional replies, argumentum ad hominem and all. I dont care what you personally think or feel, just direct me to a source of traditional Afreekan knowledge which says it cant be so.

:?:
From what I read the responses have answered your original question.
Your last post is something else.

:?:
From what I read the responses have answered your original question.
Your last post is something else.

lol....
i was thinking the same thing sister...
maybe there really is no friend...

:11600:

one love
khasm

Hetep!
Maybe no friend?? LOL. Its cool. Just dont understand why. Cant go to this person with that, need some facts to help them see. Cant just say cause the quran says so, or cause the brothers dont like it, not enough.
Hetep!

:SuN041:i no got no problem wit no body sexual orientation.....

Interesting replies. What I want to know for all the people in contact with the spirit world, how do they see homosexuality?

Direct your friend to look up Homosexuality and the Effeminization of Afrikan Males by Mwalimu K. Bomani Baruti.

Homosexuality and the Effeminization of the Afrikan Male begins with an Afrikan Centered investigation into the origins and historical evolution of homosexuality. This elemental study expands into a detailed analysis of the most important part of this work; the growing gender confusion of Afrikans socialized into european culture and society.

http://www.afrikandjeli.net/Baruti.html

REALITY
Despite the many caucasian theories, scientific, genetic, sociological and name game (i.e., unisexual, bisexual, etc.) justifications for homosexuality, the physiology (anatomy of the body) refuses to be part of their homosexual justifications. The mouth's arch and curved structure, teeth, salivary glands, tongue and food sensors (taste buds) are only built for chewing and the digestion of food. There are no sex glands or reproductive functioning parts in the mouth. The rectum is built for storing manure, and the sphincter muscle of the *** hole is made for evacuating manure. There are no sex glands or reproductive functioning parts in the rectum or anus. Human physiology clearly establishes that the mouth and anus are not designed for sex. The caucasians are involved in psychotic ideations about sex rituals and ceremonies. They can not re-define the body or sex in order to match their psychosis. A psychosis is a total break with reality. In reality, the mouth is for food and the anus is for bowel movements. By Dr Llaila O. Afrika

...or take a read through Brother Oldsouls Institute for Black Men for more references:

Afrikan Sexuality (www.whgbetc.com/ifbm/afrikan-sexuality.html)

Malidoma Patrice Somé touches on this subject in his book of water and the spirit and it wasn't well recieved by the ''afrocentric circles'' In his culture (dagara of Burkina Faso in west Africa) homosexuals are considered the 'gatekeepers' between the spirit and the physical.

I think we must ask our self this question, are we black people as a whole in good mental health after physical slavery, spiritual robbery and the theft of our culture, even though we are on the road to consciousness? I think the answer is, none of us are in total good mental health. Most of us who are conscious have issues that categories us as a people who have problems.

Not that we black people are the only people who have issues but we are the ones on the bottom as a whole and this is all over the world not just America.

The brotha that is gay and conscious, we shouldn't be afraid of him, he is no different from the heterosexual black men who claim to be conscious yet they go around using that consciousness as a tool for getting Sistas into bed. Hell, the gay brotha, he may even have better in than the brotha that uses consciosness as a tool for getting Sistas into the bed cause think about it, It takes a hellava person to admit he is gay, yet on the other hand say he is Conscious and have the knowledge which proves he is conscious. What does he have to gain from admitting this to black people who are obviously or may be homophobic? He is taking a huge chance and it takes a person with courage to do such a thing. I say this brotha is a soldier. As long as he is not trying to turn other brothas out and trying to molest our children, we don't have to be afraid of him or call him sick and so forth.

However, I would like to know if he feels he was born gay? Now that is another story.


I am glad this topic has been brought up because I have a real problem with the Nation referring to gay black people as sick, yet on the other hand they claim to love black people. If you are black and claim to love black people, that love, I thought, should be unconditional.


The Nation and so called conscious black people should be knowledgeable enough to know that Homosexuality is one of the many issues black people encountered after being put under white peoples rule. Some of us escaped the homosexuality part and some of us didn't. We can't hate the brotha cause he got caught up in something we could have also gotten caught up in but didn't.

Some black males got caught up in still running around like they on the plantation impregnating children they don't take care of, children they let the white man take care of? They act as though they are still doing what Massa has told them to do and that is make more baby's for him to sell. In this new age, those baby wouldn't be for sale, they would be used as sex objects or for rich white folks who need good organs and the list of what white people use black people for goes on.

REALITY
Despite the many caucasian theories, scientific, genetic, sociological and name game (i.e., unisexual, bisexual, etc.) justifications for homosexuality, the physiology (anatomy of the body) refuses to be part of their homosexual justifications. The mouth's arch and curved structure, teeth, salivary glands, tongue and food sensors (taste buds) are only built for chewing and the digestion of food. There are no sex glands or reproductive functioning parts in the mouth. The rectum is built for storing manure, and the sphincter muscle of the *** hole is made for evacuating manure. There are no sex glands or reproductive functioning parts in the rectum or anus. Human physiology clearly establishes that the mouth and anus are not designed for sex. The caucasians are involved in psychotic ideations about sex rituals and ceremonies. They can not re-define the body or sex in order to match their psychosis. A psychosis is a total break with reality. In reality, the mouth is for food and the anus is for bowel movements. By Dr Llaila O. Afrika

Sex between a man and another man is more mental than physical and not spiritual at all. Sex between a man and woman, when done properly is 25% spiritual 25% mental and 50% physical.


Homosexuality is a mental thing and the mind can play tricks on you depending on which state of mind you are in, you get what I am saying?

If one fools his self into believing that he feels good getting took in the rectum or getting took in the mouth by another man, because of the state of mind he is in, it will feel good to him even if it is not supposed to.

If a boy is molested by a man for over a period of time and the family sweeps it under the rug not helping the boy to deal with what has happened to him, when he goes out into the world he is going to be in a phucked up mental state that will open him up to believing the hype which says, one is born gay. He is going to believe that because he is thinking, "If I was not gay, or didn't look gay, or if there wasn't something about me that was gay, why would a man molest me" His mind is going to ask him that question and because his family never knew how to help him, when he feels sexual feelings or feels he needs love that involves sex, he is going to believe he was born gay and turn to men. Once he has made what he thinks is a conscious choice based upon how he has processed things, he will gravitate towards sleeping with a man on his own and continue to do so. He is going to get in even deeper and deeper to the point that a woman can't do anything for him sexually. After that happens, most of the time, there is no turning back.


Black boys were molested during slavery but no one talked about it, it was on of those things that was swept under the rug because black people did not know how to deal with the conspiracy to feminize little black boys before they became men. As a result, those black boys grew up to molest other black boys in the community and now today we have gay men in the black community.

Somé is somewhat controversial, as it is claimed his reference to the wests definition of "gay" was taken out of context in that he was referring more towards 'spiritual attributes' and not so much sexual activity.

I would believe the Euro will stop at nothing to find rampant homosexuality in Africa as that will prove to them that it is a natural human trait coming direct from the motherland - I've read articles about various masks which bore 2 faces, and euro's call them "Janus masks" (after a Roman god) and instead of speaking of the spiritual unity/connectivity between the 2 faces they interpret it as western transgender, or bi-sexual and then say "see! I told you!" hehehe.

anyway.. I digress... ;) good luck on your quest.

Like I always say we often look at the "scab" as the problem when we should be looking at what caused it. Homosexuality is a manifestation of a problem, yet there are several degrees to that. I often wonder how "conscious" we would be, if white media could come up with other labels for social diseases? I despise the "male homosexual" more specifically just like the next Brotha, but there are other illnesses we suffer from that practically go un-noticed because media has not labeled it a pressure point.

First of all we'd be less concerned even with the male homosexual if male heterosexuals were doing a better job at nation building and designing the "family and community" curriculum that prevent homosexuality.

I would also ask how "conscious" can any Man be if he cannot relate with his Woman or his child? That actually more so than homosexuality is a problem in our community and in fact, I would go as far as to say that homosexuality would manifest "less frequently" among us if Males understand the power of their roles. But you have Brothas who wear "consciousness" as a badge of honor but can't relate to neither Woman nor child. How is that possible?

Perhaps because we think "Manhood" is all about relationships between Men only. Errr, but isn't that what homosexuality is?? So what is that social illness called when a Man would rather be "out with the boys" than loving on his Wife and raising his family? How about the fact that many so-called "conscious" Males are still chasing Women that have no aspirations for powerful consciousness, and will kick the Queen Goddess to the wayside because she doesn't have a big booty, or an MTV model figure, or straight hair, or whatever the case may be....what is that social disease?

How can anyone be truly conscious if....they are not "conscious" of their own illnesses? Or should we pretend that we're not all swimming within the same societal biles? As far as the spirit world, yes spirits do have a problem with homosexuality when it comes down to reproduction, there are billions of spirits waiting to come to earth and for course homosexuality would be a problem.

However homosexuality is also a form of warfare. If you are powerless the spirits don't want anything to do with you anyway, be as homo as you want to be- enjoy your life. But if you are filled with power, knowledge, consciousness, life giving energy etc., spirits will be at war with you. So I can't imagine what that would be like for someone who is "homosexual" and "conscious" - nothing will go right, everyday is a battlefield, you'd have to wear charms and shake redclay dust mixed with sage everywhere you go just to keep those beings from kicking you butt, your own Ancestors will show up to get some licks in. I'm certain this is happening to a great deal of homosexual Men who have power, and if it's not happening- you don't have anything that they want.

...or take a read through Brother Oldsouls Institute for Black Men for more references:

Afrikan Sexuality (www.whgbetc.com/ifbm/afrikan-sexuality.html)

When I read the original post my thoughts also went to Brotha Oldsouls Site
(as referenced above by Sister Zulie)

Mostly because of its compendious discourse. It answers your original question Brother Neb Akhu Ra and goes on to explain in a very matter of a fact way, with a tact that may suite you in explaining to your friend.

Like I always say we often look at the "scab" as the problem when we should be looking at what caused it. Homosexuality is a manifestation of a problem, yet there are several degrees to that. I often wonder how "conscious" we would be, if white media could come up with other labels for social diseases? I despise the "male homosexual" more specifically just like the next Brotha, but there are other illnesses we suffer from that practically go un-noticed because media has not labeled it a pressure point.

First of all we'd be less concerned even with the male homosexual if male heterosexuals were doing a better job at nation building and designing the "family and community" curriculum that prevent homosexuality.

I would also ask how "conscious" can any Man be if he cannot relate with his Woman or his child? That actually more so than homosexuality is a problem in our community and in fact, I would go as far as to say that homosexuality would manifest "less frequently" among us if Males understand the power of their roles. But you have Brothas who wear "consciousness" as a badge of honor but can't relate to neither Woman nor child. How is that possible?
Perhaps because we think "Manhood" is all about relationships between Men only. Errr, but isn't that what homosexuality is?? So what is that social illness called when a Man would rather be "out with the boys" than loving on his Wife and raising his family? How about the fact that many so-called "conscious" Males are still chasing Women that have no aspirations for powerful consciousness, and will kick the Queen Goddess to the wayside because she doesn't have a big booty, or an MTV model figure, or straight hair, or whatever the case may be....what is that social disease?

How can anyone be truly conscious if....they are not "conscious" of their own illnesses? Or should we pretend that we're not all swimming within the same societal biles? As far as the spirit world, yes spirits do have a problem with homosexuality when it comes down to reproduction, there are billions of spirits waiting to come to earth and for course homosexuality would be a problem.

However homosexuality is also a form of warfare. If you are powerless the spirits don't want anything to do with you anyway, be as homo as you want to be- enjoy your life. But if you are filled with power, knowledge, consciousness, life giving energy etc., spirits will be at war with you. So I can't imagine what that would be like for someone who is "homosexual" and "conscious" - nothing will go right, everyday is a battlefield, you'd have to wear charms and shake redclay dust mixed with sage everywhere you go just to keep those beings from kicking you butt, your own Ancestors will show up to get some licks in. I'm certain this is happening to a great deal of homosexual Men who have power, and if it's not happening- you don't have anything that they want.

What you call it sister zulie lol LOGIC :read:
yeeeeeeeeeep :read:

I would believe the Euro will stop at nothing to find rampant homosexuality in Africa as that will prove to them that it is a natural human trait coming direct from the motherland - I've read articles about various masks which bore 2 faces, and euro's call them "Janus masks" (after a Roman god) and instead of speaking of the spiritual unity/connectivity between the 2 faces they interpret it as western transgender, or bi-sexual and then say "see! I told you!" hehehe.


What you think about this and its intrepretation?

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/48/Niankh.jpg

if not, why not shut up on this topic and talk about something that you know about?:em19:

who knows for sure, tyab? Brothers? Twins? Friends? Their joint tomb is full of images of their wives and children too but no-one talks about that much - they are just loving that 'eternal embrace' ;) "see! I told ya so!" :lol:

James - does one have to be gay to discuss the origins of homosexuality? I have a gay friend - does that count? ;)

:heart:

Hetep!

Would like to inquire about how the board feels about someone who practices homosexuality and refers to themself as conscious or afrocentric. I know a brother who is a homosexual, however has knowledge and is definitely living in line with the Ancestors and has a very African mind. Is this possible?? How do the board members feel about this?? Is he genuine or a fraud?? I know certain people such as Dr. York see nothing wrong with homosexuality but what is the larger concensus?? Does sexual orientation matter in regards to liberation, both spiritually and physically?? Please let me know what you think, im perplexed and dont want to befriend black tesheru or sebau unaware.

Hetep!



:qqb010::10500::em0200::fyi:


Cant be gay and afrocentric.

But this whole thread is negative :lol: :lol: :lol:

:car:

The "homosexuality" topic always make people uneasy. Another reason why IT SHOULD BE discussed. If we stopped discussing every topic just because the central characters we are discussing aren't present then....shut down all the topics on White folks...

unless of course there are White folks on Destee too..

James - does one have to be gay to discuss the origins of homosexuality? I have a gay friend - does that count?
does one have to be black to discuss the origins of blackness?
does one have to be female to discuss the attributes of PMS?
should males decide on abortion?

i have a tendency to talk about what i know.
some stuff i'm not in a real position to know about.
i shut up and listen to those who know better than i do in those cases.

i just fail to see the value of a bunch of non gay people sitting around talking about what they do not know.




:SuN019:

That makes little sense, james. Your not white, but often talk about WS.. how does that add up? We're not talking about what it's like to be homosexual, or how it feels, or if it is right or wrong (we passed that when the brother changed his question) - we can, however, talk about the effects of homosexuality on us, in our communities and it's origins.

From a scientific standpoint....
Homosexuality is nothing new, nor is it exclusively a human condition. 10% of the animal population has same sex predilections. So if 10% of the human population is homosexual it is natural. I can't see that 10% being denied a consciousness because of nature. What I can cee as grounds for losing the link is the people who are outside the 10% and are choosing to be gay. That's different. The people with unnatural urges. Those people forfeit their links, for the links are incompatible with that behavior and karma.

PEACE

That makes little sense, james. Your not white, but often talk about WS.. how does that add up? We're not talking about what it's like to be homosexual, or how it feels, or if it is right or wrong (we passed that when the brother changed his question) - we can, however, talk about the effects of homosexuality on us, in our communities and it's origins.

we all live under a system of white supremacy. we do not live under a system of homosexuality. can you see the difference?

a bunch of straight people sitting around venting on what they know not makes no sense to me.

I was waiting for some key words before I posted this...I think I just got them.

DEVIANT WHITE SUPREMACY and HOMOSEXUALITY
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we all live under a system of white supremacy. we do not live under a system of homosexuality. can you see the difference?

a bunch of straight people sitting around venting on what they know not makes no sense to me.

James - are you saying we are unqualified to talk about any aspect of homosexuality because we are not homosexual?

James - are you saying we are unqualified to talk about any aspect of homosexuality because we are not homosexual?

if homosexuality is somehow impacting on your world you can talk about that. how it affects you.

as for what it is and where it came from and all that, how can you talk about what you do not know?
i have not been a woman for one second. do you see me go around telling women what to do about child birth?
what is wrong with having the class to shut up about what you do not know about?

i don't know any gay people. how am i going to expound on their thing?
i never studied gay history. is there even such a thing?

am i really that far out?

I'm not gay and I don't see anything wrong with people who are heterosexual speaking about Gay people. How do gay people expect for people to understand if they are not willing to educate? I don't see nothing wrong with a Conscious Gay black person, I think they have a lot to offer the community just like any other black person. Loving black peopel means loving black people weather they are gay, on drugs, a prostitute, with or without a college degree, with or with out a high school education, religious or non religois etc. You get my point, I hope. We have enough problems with white people putting conditions on us, we can not be doing the same thing to each other if we do, we would be nothing but hypocrites.

No No No...let me straighten this out right now. Most of us are aware of the 42 negative confessions from the book of the dead also known as "the book of the great awakening"..Pa Neteru". We know about the 42 negative confessions but there are actually 147 negative confessions with the rest being found in the "Papyrus of Ani". One of the confessions is "I have Not laid with Man". Now if you desire I can play an excellent tape in chat by Dr. Patricia Newton which goes into this issue in depth.

Now please allow me to state this reality. Maat or balance which we strive to achieve means that we acknowledge and understand that we all have ying and yang within us or negative and positive or masculine and feminine within us. This is a biological fact that has other ramifications mentally, spiritually and physically. This is what we try or attempt to balance within ourselves and our lives.

Without going into the physical aspects of how we define homosexuality, I want to deal with the mental and spiritual aspects of it which reveals that a person of this nature is seriously out of balance and sync.

I personally classify a homosexual as " not a person who engages in what we might call homosexual acts" but as a person who is in need of the same energy as themselves. Good example: Lets say a man is taking it up the rear because it feels good to him. Well as far as I'm concerned, his woman can put on a strap on and satisfy that...because regardless of the act he is still interacting with feminine energy. But when he desires that it is a man who does so then there is an issue because that means that he desires something more than the physical act itself. It means that he desires the energy of the same sex mentally and spiritually...and as such, physically also. "This is a classification of a "pure homosexual", cut and dry...and when they desire the same energy as themselves on those levels then they are clearly out of balance and sync with their over all reality as living entities.

Can I make it any clearer than this?

What you think about this and its intrepreta Ition?

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/48/Niankh.jpg

This is a relief of how information is to be passed between initates on an order. Foot to foot cheeck to cheeck mouth to ear. All masonic orders use this form as a symbol of an certain degree. It has nothing to do with homosexuality. It is how all bes kept secrets are passed from master teacher to student.

From a scientific standpoint....
Homosexuality is nothing new, nor is it exclusively a human condition. 10% of the animal population has same sex predilections. So if 10% of the human population is homosexual it is natural. I can't see that 10% being denied a consciousness because of nature. What I can cee as grounds for losing the link is the people who are outside the 10% and are choosing to be gay. That's different. The people with unnatural urges. Those people forfeit their links, for the links are incompatible with that behavior and karma.

PEACE

Can u elborate on this more. homo sexuality amongist the animal population is very new to me this information would reshape my personal cosmonology.

Can I make it any clearer than this?

:qqb004:i can't see it......

Can u elborate on this more. homo sexuality amongist the animal population is very new to me this information would reshape my personal cosmonology.

http://www.primates.co.uk/bonobos/bonobosexsoc.html

Bro. Keita as always makes some very strong points. I definitely acknowledge your classification of homosexuality as described.

Now since this is a public forum, the "google" radar has already captured the title of the thread, certainly if "homosexual and conscious" Males and Females wanted to share they would.

However how many Black conscious Authors have written books on this topic but aren't homosexuals themselves? Dr. Frances Cress Welsing? Dr. Llaila Afrika? Should we send them a memo?

But that issue is besides the point.

What perhaps some of us Black Males are afraid of, including myself- is how we accept Homosexuality and bisexuality for the Female but protest it when it comes to the Male.

Show of hands, how many "conscious" Black Lesbians do we know? Even right here on Destee?

So how can this topic really be addressed seriously without mentioning this? The best way? Speak the truth and don't avoid it. We are not all perfect! And yes! Like soooo many Brothas I don't get as upset with the Black "conscious" Sistah who is a lesbian, or a bi-sexual. Hel, some of us think that's sexy. We want in on the deal.

What is the logical difference here? Don't be afraid or ashamed of the truth. This is how intelligent people work out their issues, we discuss them.

Why? Why do we protest the Homosexual Black Man who says he is conscious, but we know he is sleeping with other Men, having anal sex with Men, having oral sex with Men- but somehow we don't take those same offenses with the Black "conscious" Female, who is sleeping with other Females, who is experiencing her sexuality and sensuality with Females, who is enjoying the oral pleasures with Females. Why? Because she likes what we like?

Can a Black Lesbian/Bi-sexual Woman really be conscious? And if so why is their consciousness as Black homosexual Women different from that of Black homosexual Men?

Bro. Keita as always makes some very strong points. I definitely acknowledge your classification of homosexuality as described.

Now since this is a public forum, the "google" radar has already captured the title of the thread, certainly if "homosexual and conscious" Males and Females wanted to share they would.

However how many Black conscious Authors have written books on this topic but aren't homosexuals themselves? Dr. Frances Cress Welsing? Dr. Llaila Afrika? Should we send them a memo?

But that issue is besides the point.

What perhaps some of us Black Males are afraid of, including myself- is how we accept Homosexuality and bisexuality for the Female but protest it when it comes to the Male.

Show of hands, how many "conscious" Black Lesbians do we know? Even right here on Destee?

So how can this topic really be addressed seriously without mentioning this? The best way? Speak the truth and don't avoid it. We are not all perfect! And yes! Like soooo many Brothas I don't get as upset with the Black "conscious" Sistah who is a lesbian, or a bi-sexual. Hel, some of us think that's sexy. We want in on the deal.

What is the logical difference here? Don't be afraid or ashamed of the truth. This is how intelligent people work out their issues, we discuss them.

Why? Why do we protest the Homosexual Black Man who says he is conscious, but we know he is sleeping with other Men, having anal sex with Men, having oral sex with Men- but somehow we don't take those same offenses with the Black "conscious" Female, who is sleeping with other Females, who is experiencing her sexuality and sensuality with Females, who is enjoying the oral pleasures with Females. Why? Because she likes what we like?

Can a Black Lesbian/Bi-sexual Woman really be conscious? And if so why is their consciousness as Black homosexual Women different from that of Black homosexual Men?


Heterosexual female here who totally agrees with this post. The fact of the matter is, gay black people do excist and they are not going any where. We as black people need to accept and embrace those black people who will accept and embrace us back. There is no room for black on black discrimination. I only have a problem with the flaming gay men and women, the ones who go out of their way to imitate the opposite sex. They are the ones we have to keep an eye out for when it comes to our children, not the gay black people who carry their self with class. With all this down low nonsense going on, we should appreciate a black man who is honest enough to admit he is gay. We should also appreciate a gay black male or female who is not so upset with their own people for gay bashing them and yet, they still care enough for their people, to be a conscious black at that.

I thought this was an interesting view from a brother, I remember reading this a minute ago and found it very interesting, it brings a different look to the conversation. This is why I asked earlier how the spirit world looked at this concept.

"I have nothing against gay people. Who cares really, your soul isn't male or female, all of this man, woman, woman, man thing is of earth. Nothing in the higher realms gives a **** about gay, that's an earth concern. What you do is on to you"

Now please allow me to state this reality. Maat or balance which we strive to achieve means that we acknowledge and understand that we all have ying and yang within us or negative and positive or masculine and feminine within us. This is a biological fact that has other ramifications mentally, spiritually and physically. This is what we try or attempt to balance within ourselves and our lives.

Without going into the physical aspects of how we define homosexuality, I want to deal with the mental and spiritual aspects of it which reveals that a person of this nature is seriously out of balance and sync.

I personally classify a homosexual as " not a person who engages in what we might call homosexual acts" but as a person who is in need of the same energy as themselves. Good example: Lets say a man is taking it up the rear because it feels good to him. Well as far as I'm concerned, his woman can put on a strap on and satisfy that...because regardless of the act he is still interacting with feminine energy. But when he desires that it is a man who does so then there is an issue because that means that he desires something more than the physical act itself. It means that he desires the energy of the same sex mentally and spiritually...and as such, physically also. "This is a classification of a "pure homosexual", cut and dry...and when they desire the same energy as themselves on those levels then they are clearly out of balance and sync with their over all reality as living entities.

Can I make it any clearer than this?

only the blind can't see this

ANOTHER GREAT KEITA POST

see you have to be able to think and see what's not readily seen

he's not judging anybody
he's not dissin' anybody
he's just telling you what it is

if you seek truth it will seek you truth
(hey that's my new signature lol)

only the blind can't see this
:qqb004:i can't see it......

only the blind can't see this

ANOTHER GREAT KEITA POST

see you have to be able to think and see what's not readily seen

he's not judging anybody
he's not dissin' anybody
he's just telling you what it is

if you seek truth it will seek you truth
(hey that's my new signature lol)


True to all of that, and it does make sense.

This may be off-topic and even irrelevant to the thread, but I just have to say-

One thing (in my meditations and frequent time to self) I have come to learn and understand about Truth is that no matter who, what, where, why, when, or how Truth is present[ed], it never comes with happiness, exitement, joy, or enthusiasm (just to name a few) connected to it. We say all the time "Truth hurts" - well, small wonder! It is only after presented and reflected on that it comes to be appreciated with joy, thankfulness, or any of the other "happy feelings."

Because of that, denial, rejection, suppression, regression, and all build up, and there is no room for Truth. Many people like to feel happy, joyful and excited, but when the presence of Truth "shakes" those very grounds, how open is a person to receive Truth?

Just something I felt needed to be mentioned.

As far as Homosexuality, I have to agree with Bro. Keita's initial post of this thread. Right Knowledge (I didn't say "knowledge") - Right Knowledge would tell you whether it should be accepted or tolerated, and to what degree. As it is said, "When you know better, you do better," or in this case - You apply better! Not only telling it like it is, but telling it how it should be!

Peace!

KWABENA

Hello family...

As I have stated before.. I have nothing against gay people male or female.. I would embrace their efforts in helping to solve our problems as people. I was not always like this..yes I had my own prejudice against them...until I met and talked with a few. It became apparent to me that as long as they didn't start no mess there wouldn't be none..and that's just the way I put it to them. For me it's all about respect...if I give respect I expect it in return.

As far a consciousness is concern... I think this site answers that question... the fact that they are here and seeking knownledge..to me, that is a big plus.

Lilpea :1on1:

Black boys were molested during slavery but no one talked about it, it was on of those things that was swept under the rug because black people did not know how to deal with the conspiracy to feminize little black boys before they became men. As a result, those black boys grew up to molest other black boys in the community and now today we have gay men in the black community.

THAT is very profound...very profound. I am tempted to ask you to provide research to support this for two reasons.

1) We just finished talking about this subject (Sexual Orientation) in our Human Sexuality class

2) It will really, really help me (and others, maybe) as I go about performing research on why we are how we are as a people today. It truly does have an impact on our lifestyles as Afrikans in America today.

However, instead of asking you to provide proof, I will go and find it myself. You are welcome to share sources though, if you'd like.

Great statement!

KWABENA

Hello family...

As I have stated before.. I have nothing against gay people male or female.. I would embrace their efforts in helping to solve our problems as people. I was not always like this..yes I had my own prejudice against them...until I met and talked with a few. It became apparent to me that as long as they didn't start no mess there wouldn't be none..and that's just the way I put it to them. For me it's all about respect...if I give respect I expect it in return.

As far a consciousness is concern... I think this site answers that question... the fact that they are here and seeking knownledge..to me, that is a big plus.

Lilpea :1on1:

Agreed...

My current Resident Assistant (RA) is a gay man, and as a former RA, despite how I feel about him, I care more about him getting the job done, than who or what he is. Be that as it may, if I disapprove of him, it's not because of his orientation (he is what he is just like I am what I am, and you all are what you are), it is because he is not getting the job done.

Simply put...

KWABENA

Agreed...

My current Resident Assistant (RA) is a gay man, and as a former RA, despite how I feel about him, I care more about him getting the job done, than who or what he is. Be that as it may, if I disapprove of him, it's not because of his orientation (he is what he is just like I am what I am, and you all are what you are), it is because he is not getting the job done.

Simply put...

KWABENA

Hello Brother KWABENA...

You have every right to be upset with him....I would be too. To reap the benefits and rewards and not doing a good job is not good. I don't care who or what that person is...

Lilpea :1on1:

THAT is very profound...very profound. I am tempted to ask you to provide research to support this for two reasons.

1) We just finished talking about this subject (Sexual Orientation) in our Human Sexuality class

2) It will really, really help me (and others, maybe) as I go about performing research on why we are how we are as a people today. It truly does have an impact on our lifestyles as Afrikans in America today.

However, instead of asking you to provide proof, I will go and find it myself. You are welcome to share sources though, if you'd like.

Great statement!

KWABENA

The research I did, probably won't do your class any good if the class is being taught by a white person or a black person who has taken the white mans way of teaching to be the word of gospel.

For white people, seeing is believing and for white people, documentation is important. For black people it is the opposite, we don't have to literally see anything because we are a spiritual people.

To me Documentation is just something else someone else recorded and now it is looked upon as scholarly Doctrine. White peoples historical recordings in America and other continents outside of Europe has been geared towards making them look righteous, not to make them look bad. White mans best trick was to fool everyone into believing that they are just like him. Now they want to say that homosexuality is perfectly normal and people are born that way but where is there proof? All they have given us is speculation but if you present to your teacher all that I am speculating to you, she or he won't have it. White people have made all of the rules and they know it is impossible for us to truly be us if we have to live by their standards...Robbing us of the knowledge of self.


The research I did started off with white mans invasions of the continents. I researched the white mans rein in Asia and Africa. The dates for when Homosexuality began to form in those continents all began after the white mans rein. For instance, If you check out homosexuality in Asia, you may find some artifacts that display pedophilia and homosexuality but those artifacts didn't come into existence until after the white man Colonized or attempted to colonize that particular region. In Africa alone, Homosexuality is becoming rampant due to religious brainwash and this is not a new thing.

Example, for hundreds of years, white people have been sending missionary's into Africa to so call Convert Africans from their savage ways, today this is still happening. After the white woman missionary has come in as holy Mary mother of God trying to save the savage people, after she has gained the trust of our African people, she then calls for the popes followers to come in to the villages. The popes followers ask African mothers and fathers if they can take their little boys and girls for seven years to live in something like a convent where they will bring these children up for seven years in the eyes of God, at the obedience and consent of the white woman missionary, the African mothers and fathers agree. They release the child back to the parents after the 7 years. The parents give consent and they never know that while their children are gone, they are being molested by the so called holy white people God has called upon to do his bidding.


Do you understand what I am saying?

Boys town was founded by the Catholics, boys are getting molested all the time in boys town. This is nothing new, remember all those Catholic priest getting caught molesting all those boys, see how that was swept under the rug? We don't hear about that anymore. History is now in the present with this situation. Catholicism is a religious cover up for homosexuals and homosexuality and has always been. I used to go to a Catholic school and I could tell you some stories about that and what I experienced.


Also, if you read some of the fictional books written by black authors after slavery, a lot of those books give hints to black boys being molested during slavery. Black Mama Widow was published in 1969 but the story takes place in the 40's that book gives some hints.



Hope that information helps you and when you do your research, please let me know if you find anything that disqualifies or supports what I have said.

:qqb004:i can't see it......

when you let emotions rule :ref:

it's very hard to people do

i have my moments

but this is not one of them

remember bro. Keita was just speaking a fact not judging anyone

anyway africans and i'm talking thru history are about building families

in its' purest sense, but we've been confused for the last 800 years or so

gay is really euro (greece) as well as most perversion (mostly today people are taught the lifestyle)

a gay person 200 years ago was gay, a gay person today (as in right now) in amerikkka are copycat gays, thru experiments, conditioning, environment

all the centuries africans have lived with animals
you don't hear about africans having sex with zebras, and girafees

but who comes to mind when you hear somebody had sex with a dog, goat, or sheep?

all greek so called philosophers studied in africa and the pure spiritual energy
freak them out so much they became, well...................freaks.

my comments are not to offend anyone

trust me

On the real...I don't know any "homosexuals". From my observations it appears that even the people we classify as "homosexuals" are actually "bisexuals". I have never met a man even if he prefers men who would not sleep with a woman. I have never met a woman even if she prefers sleeping with women who would not sleep with a man. I therefore think that other issues than the "physical" are involved somewhere. Brother Meta made a good point; "the average man does have fantasies about being with more than one woman in bed...and I seriously doubt if they would be in bed together and not be touching each other...and no, we as men have no qualms about that scenario with us in the middle.

However, our minds just can't grasp the idea of two men and I'm not sure a woman's mind can grasp it either...I haven't asked. I think that the issue here that is so contradictory like water and oil trying to mix is the statement of being "homosexual AND CONSCIOUS". For some historical, cultural and spiritual reason those two adjectives just don't mesh together...just trying to put those two definitions together does something to the consciousness of anyone who is conscious. This is why I make a distinction between a homosexual "having INFORMATION" and a "homosexual being conscious".

I can see them having information about our history and all that... but in terms of being what we classify as "CONSCIOUS?"...that I can't see, simply because their reality of being homosexual if that is what they are is a contradiction to the term called "Being Conscious" which is an internalization of what you know as opposed to it just being "surface knowledge or information".

On the real...I don't know any "homosexuals". From my observations it appears that even the people we classify as "homosexuals" are actually "bisexuals". I have never met a man even if he prefers men who would not sleep with a woman. I have never met a woman even if she prefers sleeping with women who would not sleep with a man. I therefore think that other issues than the "physical" are involved somewhere. Brother Meta made a good point; "the average man does have fantasies about being with more than one woman in bed...and I seriously doubt if they would be in bed together and not be touching each other...and no, we as men have no qualms about that scenario with us in the middle.

However, our minds just can't grasp the idea of two men and I'm not sure a woman's mind can grasp it either...I haven't asked. I think that the issue here that is so contradictory like water and oil trying to mix is the statement of being "homosexual AND CONSCIOUS". For some historical, cultural and spiritual reason those two adjectives just don't mesh together...just trying to put those two definitions together does something to the consciousness of anyone who is conscious. This is why I make a distinction between a homosexual "having INFORMATION" and a "homosexual being conscious".

I can see them having information about our history and all that... but in terms of being what we classify as "CONSCIOUS?"...that I can't see, simply because their reality of being homosexual if that is what they are is a contradiction to the term called "Being Conscious" which is an internalization of what you know as opposed to it just being "surface knowledge or information".

KEITA FOR PRESIDENT

i'm casting my vote NOV. 4 KEITA as in write in candidate

bro. K this is just another way to say i'm feeling you

The "molestation" issue is especially a concern in the relationship to homosexuality. To be honest, the major problem most people who are against the homosexual lifestyle focus on is it's celebration.

European governed societies want us to "celebrate" the gay lifestyle, celebrate homosexuality..when the truth is still less than 1% of the population claim to be homosexual based on that alone homosexuality could be judged as a defect, something that is not common- but can become common through social engineers. (That percentage is rising in the Black community 20-35%)

Black people are overly empathetic, this is a major facet of our spiritual power. Could we imagine if we celebrated slavery or being a slave in the same sense someone would celebrate being homosexual?

Khvnph8Q17E

Who wants to celebrate having cancer? What is even more interesting is that many of us are "programmed" to believe, oh well- this person's sexual orientation has nothing to do with me. But then you see that Male couple next door adopting a little boy and then it becomes a problem. You see that Lesbian couple adopting a little girl and then it becomes a problem. Or you see that Male couple inviting teenage boys to their parties and then it becomes a problem.

This is because the overall majority of people who have sex and are in relationships are still aloof to the fact that sex and relationship is only a component for "natural progress" which is why when two people are not progressing naturally there are usually problems.

We aren't talking about lighting torches and chasing homosexuals down the streets. We are talking about the sciences of social engineering, which is the responsibility of every "conscious" adult within the community. Meaning- you learn how to speak about these issues, you learn how to prepare your speech for the youth that ask questions. Basically? Be as vocal or even more so than White Media.

This also does not mean we go out of way to "disrespect" homosexual lifestyles and homosexuals themselves. Just as we can speak to our people about other illnesses in the community we should be able to speak about homosexuality, again the problem with homosexuality is that the defect is celebrated.

And as far as the soul being neither male or female, I would challenge that metaphysically. Not to say that I haven't believed that myself. We don't even have to go that far into the properties of the soul. The Human body itself is designed as both Male and Female. Homosexual relationships are still designed as -Male-Female- in case we haven't noticed. There is always a feminine man with a masculine Man, a more feminine Woman with a masculine Woman. This is because even homosexual relationships are designed off genetic memory.

When a Man says "I am a woman trapped in a Man's body." It's not about the soul, because the soul has no gender- it's about the human brain. "A female brain is inside my body" is more like it. Science has already confirmed that the masculine female's brain is the same as masculine man's brain. They both respond to the same stimuli.

What we are talking about here is not soul development but brain development. And who is developing the brains of our youth? Media.
This same genetic memory is true for heterosexual. The Male most likely will be attracted to a Woman with the same physical makeup as the Women within his genetic linage, or with the same brain wave patterns

If homosexuality was a natural phenomenon it would be even more so natural to people to the indigenous people of earth. It is not. And when we see it in nature, make sure that research is showing that those animals pictured in a homosexual act are in their "natural environment". The trick is that the majority of research on so-called "homosexual animals in the wild" are done on animal reservations, or in regions were animals are effected by Human scientific intervention where the population of sexes is controlled.

But the greatest sexual defects in the Black Community happen to be everyone living under European Imperialism. If we can't express our true natural sexuality, then we are sexual defective. Yet we want to celebrate homosexuality, such would be non-existent if we weren't sexually defective to begin with. So what do I mean by that.

In nature, mammals have as many offspring as they want. Everyone is trained, everyone goes out into the world- who ever survives survives. For Africans we always had lots of offspring. We raised them, trained them- all as one. Today all over the world Humans are limited to the number of children they can produce, in fact the choice of having children is frowned upon. She has how many children?? What?? Three??? We can look at homosexuality, but can't "consciously" see the connection? Hummm, so how best can I fulfill my role under European rule?

When in Rome, do as the Romans do. Homosexuality was the best way for them to express sexuality without having children. It's practiced in China/Japan and India for some of the same reasons. The difference for Africans was our land and agriculture. We are builders, creators and you needed thousands of people for those tasks. Also we invented natural methods for birth control- "IF" it came to that.

Yet we want to celebrate homosexuality, but can't celebrate the other defective Males around us, those who want to have many offspring but can't. So what do they do? They spread out their seed among different females. But we come down on them, and would instead raise the homosexual on our shoulders? Why?

Because the European told us the world is overpopulated, the truth is the world for him is overpopulated with too many races that is not like them.

And then there are Males who want more than one Wife. We will depress that concept, only to accept and appreciate homosexuality. Yet there are millions of Black Men who want more than one Wife. If we don't understand this mathematically we may not understand what the word "Wife" is all about either. When a Man wants to take a Wife it means he will be the provider for her and her children. What is one of the major problems in the Black community today?

What are we always complaining about? Black Men who don't do what? Take care of their children. Interesting. But do you see why it's so important for us to govern ourselves socially and politically? Because all our problems stem from the fact that we do not keep major traditions and we build to keep certain problems from manifesting in the first place.

The "molestation" issue is especially a concern in the relationship to homosexuality. To be honest, the major problem most people who are against the homosexual lifestyle focus on is it's celebration.

European governed societies want us to "celebrate" the gay lifestyle, celebrate homosexuality..when the truth is still less than 1% of the population claim to be homosexual based on that alone homosexuality could be judged as a defect, something that is not common- but can become common through social engineers. (That percentage is rising in the Black community 20-35%)

Black people are overly empathetic, this is a major facet of our spiritual power. Could we imagine if we celebrated slavery or being a slave in the same sense someone would celebrate being homosexual?

Khvnph8Q17E

Who wants to celebrate having cancer? What is even more interesting is that many of us are "programmed" to believe, oh well- this person's sexual orientation has nothing to do with me. But then you see that Male couple next door adopting a little boy and then it becomes a problem. You see that Lesbian couple adopting a little girl and then it becomes a problem. Or you see that Male couple inviting teenage boys to their parties and then it becomes a problem.

This is because the overall majority of people who have sex and are in relationships are still aloof to the fact that sex and relationship is only a component for "natural progress" which is why when two people are not progressing naturally there are usually problems.

We aren't talking about lighting torches and chasing homosexuals down the streets. We are talking about the sciences of social engineering, which is the responsibility of every "conscious" adult within the community. Meaning- you learn how to speak about these issues, you learn how to prepare your speech for the youth that ask questions. Basically? Be as vocal or even more so than White Media.

This also does not mean we go out of way to "disrespect" homosexual lifestyles and homosexuals themselves. Just as we can speak to our people about other illnesses in the community we should be able to speak about homosexuality, again the problem with homosexuality is that the defect is celebrated.

And as far as the soul being neither male or female, I would challenge that metaphysically. Not to say that I haven't believed that myself. We don't even have to go that far into the properties of the soul. The Human body itself is designed as both Male and Female. Homosexual relationships are still designed as -Male-Female- in case we haven't noticed. There is always a feminine man with a masculine Man, a more feminine Woman with a masculine Woman. This is because even homosexual relationships are designed off genetic memory.

When a Man says "I am a woman trapped in a Man's body." It's not about the soul, because the soul has no gender- it's about the human brain. "A female brain is inside my body" is more like it. Science has already confirmed that the masculine female's brain is the same as masculine man's brain. They both respond to the same stimuli.

What we are talking about here is not soul development but brain development. And who is developing the brains of our youth? Media.
This same genetic memory is true for heterosexual. The Male most likely will be attracted to a Woman with the same physical makeup as the Women within his genetic linage, or with the same brain wave patterns

If homosexuality was a natural phenomenon it would be even more so natural to people to the indigenous people of earth. It is not. And when we see it in nature, make sure that research is showing that those animals pictured in a homosexual act are in their "natural environment". The trick is that the majority of research on so-called "homosexual animals in the wild" are done on animal reservations, or in regions were animals are effected by Human scientific intervention where the population of sexes is controlled.

But the greatest sexual defects in the Black Community happen to be everyone living under European Imperialism. If we can't express our true natural sexuality, then we are sexual defective. Yet we want to celebrate homosexuality, such would be non-existent if we weren't sexually defective to begin with. So what do I mean by that.

In nature, mammals have as many offspring as they want. Everyone is trained, everyone goes out into the world- who ever survives survives. For Africans we always had lots of offspring. We raised them, trained them- all as one. Today all over the world Humans are limited to the number of children they can produce, in fact the choice of having children is frowned upon. She has how many children?? What?? Three??? We can look at homosexuality, but can't "consciously" see the connection? Hummm, so how best can I fulfill my role under European rule?

When in Rome, do as the Romans do. Homosexuality was the best way for them to express sexuality without having children. It's practiced in China/Japan and India for some of the same reasons. The difference for Africans was our land and agriculture. We are builders, creators and you needed thousands of people for those tasks. Also we invented natural methods for birth control- "IF" it came to that.

Yet we want to celebrate homosexuality, but can't celebrate the other defective Males around us, those who want to have many offspring but can't. So what do they do? They spread out their seed among different females. But we come down on them, and would instead raise the homosexual on our shoulders? Why?

Because the European told us the world is overpopulated, the truth is the world for him is overpopulated with too many races that is not like them.

And then there are Males who want more than one Wife. We will depress that concept, only to accept and appreciate homosexuality. Yet there are millions of Black Men who want more than one Wife. If we don't understand this mathematically we may not understand what the word "Wife" is all about either. When a Man wants to take a Wife it means he will be the provider for her and her children. What is one of the major problems in the Black community today?

What are we always complaining about? Black Men who don't do what? Take care of their children. Interesting. But do you see why it's so important for us to govern ourselves socially and politically? Because all our problems stem from the fact that we do not keep major traditions and we build to keep certain problems from manifesting in the first place.


can i vote MetaSaience too?

Because all our problems stem from the fact that we do not keep major traditions and we build to keep certain problems from manifesting in the first place:bingo:

When in Rome, do as the Romans do.

the DUMBEST statement known to man

One thing (in my meditations and frequent time to self) I have come to learn and understand about Truth is that no matter who, what, where, why, when, or how Truth is present[ed], it never comes with happiness, exitement, joy, or enthusiasm connected to it. We say all the time "Truth hurts"

:SuN036:the one thing that you nave learned is wrong then.....truth don't hurt.....the truth will set you free

it's hard to stay objective when you let emotions rule

what is it about my person that makes you say this?
where did you see any emotion what so ever?
what causes you to think thus of me?

perhaps i am not the one who is suffering from blindness




:qqb023:

so, at the end of the day what we have is a bunch of folk who do not know pontificating anyhow.

:jump:

Hetep!
Thanks family for the replies. Jamesfrmphilly i agree with you, i personally see nothing wrong with a brother being homosexual and conscious, was hoping maybe i would get some good points to the contrary, but all it seems i got was people spouting personal opinion. Most of the older brothers and sisters who dislike "homos" do so because of the socialization they have received, or because of their previous or current religious backgrounds. When will we break from religion and get into culture?????
Astrologer...ill be sure to tell the brother that you think hes a soldier....
Keita...would like to know what tranlsation or copy of the Negative Confessions does "I have not slept with a man" came from. All copies I have see, Ani Papyrus, Enhai payrus and Hunefer Papyrus, state " i have not slept with the husband of a wife" and "i have not had sex with boys" proscibing pederasty and adultery. What papyrus is this coming from?
Again, thanks for the replies, and judging from the lengthiness of the conversation regarding this i see a lot of peoples emotions are involved. I however, now more than ever, think this brother is genuine and can play a part in our peoples liberation. He is an Afreekan if i ever saw one, who hates and fights against european domination, not just in words but more importantly in deeds.
Maybe if we stop having a problem about who is sleeping with who, and work together we can actually see that freedom of self and kind that we all supposedly hope for.

Hetep!
Metasaince....i have a question in regards to soul having no gender....how do you take this quote then from Kore Cosmo by Djehuty......

"44. And how are male and female souls produced?

Souls, Horus, son, are of the self-same nature in themselves, in that they are from one and the same place where the Creator modeled them; nor male nor female are they. Sex is a thing of bodies, not of souls.

That which brings it about that some of them are stouter, some more delicate, is, son, that--cosmic--"air" in which all things are made. "Air" for the soul is nothing but the body which envelops it, an element which is composed of earth and water, air and fire.

As. then, the composition of the female ones has more of wet and cold, but less of dry and warm, accordingly the soul which is shut in a plasm of this kind becomes relaxed and delicate, just as the contrary is found to be in case of males.

For in their case there's more of dry and warm, and less of cold and wet; wherefore the souls in bodies such as these are sturdy and more active."

So yes souls have no gender per se, but do have different characteristics which we associate with gender. Maybe the terminology of active and passive wold suit it better than male and female. So the question now is can a physical male have a passive soul? or a physical female an active one?
While soul, Ba, has no gender, the "airy" substance spoken of here seems to refer to Ka or body double, and this seems to possess a "gender" identify based on composition rather than anatomy.
Hetep!

if you read your statement it contradicts
Hetep!

So yes souls have no gender per se, but do have different characteristics which we associate with gender. Hetep!

souls do have gender, everything in this universe has gender

people confuse it with gender meaning sex that's where problems come in

so when you speak universally gender is not about sex

but about all object in the universe (all object including spirits, things WE can't see) have positive/negative characteristics

what is it about my person that makes you say this?
where did you see any emotion what so ever?
what causes you to think thus of me?

perhaps i am not the one who is suffering from blindness




:qqb023:

although i was answering your post

but generally speaking

it's hard to stay objective when you involve emotions

please JAMES stop making my point for me

lol

what is it about my person that makes you say this?
where did you see any emotion what so ever?
what causes you to think thus of me?

perhaps i am not the one who is suffering from blindness




:qqb023:

i never said you we're blind

YOU DID

also if someone is just giving facts why do you shun it
there was no judgement there
he didn't say gay people were bad
he didn't diss anybody

where's the objectivity?
that's all i ask
you could agree with Keita and still LOVE gay people

where's the problem?

souls do have gender, everything in this universe has gender
people confuse it with gender meaning sex that's where problems come in
so when you speak universally gender is not about sex
but about all object in the universe (all object including spirits, things WE can't see) have positive/negative characteristics

:SuN036:god does not have gender

straight people defining gay people is uncomfortably close to white people defining black people.
we all know how well that worked out.



:SuN011:

:SuN036:god does not have gender

correct

GOD or whatever one may refer to the power

is ABOVE the universe

some say creator

god both defines and defies gender

Bro. Neb Akhu Ra- we have you to thank for a superb and insightful conversation. I vote for all the insightful Brothas and Sistahs on the thread standing if for what they believe! The problem is, too few are challenging these concepts out in the open and hopefully this conversation here is inspiring conversations within the family.

"Conscious" is about knowing thy self.

As far as the genderless Soul (not be confused with spirit) - we have to realize that there are more single celled organisms in the known Universe than there are separated Male and Female. The truth is the separation between Male and Female is a farce. Scientists observe that single celled organisms reproduced on their own, by duplicating themselves, yet there are processes and "behaviors" that take place within these orgasm that can be defined as gender. "Gender" is basically how energy behaves within a localized field. Or we can say different frequencies of consciousness.

The Male pushes and moves energy, usually through tubes, pipes, veins, portals etc, the Female contains energy within organs, orbs, worlds, planets, Universes. Such relationships are all around us. When these relationships are compromised, aren't carried out correctly, soul energy becomes trapped, we have blockages, portals close etc.

When we talk about a genderless Soul, we are speaking about a primordial energy that could be likened to the Sun or any major source of power. The air in a balloon behaves differently based on the shape of that balloon and the space it is contained within.

Everything about what we understand as reality is really based in our relationships. If I have a relationship with the spirit world for example, that relationship is defined by own I behave and respond with the spirit world. This also means that a Male is defined by how he behaves and responds, and the same with the female. These relationships are only important because we are creators, if we were not creators it wouldn't be important at all because things will come into existence and fade, nothing would effect us.

But we are indeed effected by relationships. Everything we do is a response to something else, an event. If a Man on the block decides he wants to beat his Wife in front a group of children while the Elders sit back and watch, the entire block is effected, because again- relationship is everything. We must ask what will the response to this event be within the lives of the children.
Some of us even right now are responding to events that took place hundreds of years ago.

If that same Man decided to dress up and act like a Woman and chase Men down the block in front of children, this also effects the block. What is the response to this event?

And this is my personal answer to the original puzzle- why do we accept homosexuality so easily with Women than we do with Men? Because a Woman at least has a womb and can carry and produce children. A Man cannot. He can walk like a Woman, talk like a Woman, dress like a Woman- but let a Woman try to give her womb to one of her homosexual Male friends- I bet he'd run in an opposite direction. Therefore the "behavior" and responsibility (ability to respond to an event) of bringing life into the world through the "gate" is a task for a specially selected few- that we refer to as Mother Souls.

And yes some do believe a Homosexual Male or more specifically the "androgynous" Male is the gatekeeper between the spirit and physical world. This is a misconception. The "androgynous" or even "feminine" Males of Ancient times perhaps "slept in" more vagina than most heterosexual Males could dream of. And I'm saying that to be as graphic as possible, because too often these types of Males are confused.

Because when we use the term "gatekeeper" what we are talking about? The vagina itself. The Womb. The "limbo" between earth and spirit. So how can you keep a gate if you don't know how to touch one? Hate the smell of one. Want to act like you have one- but can't Respect one? Worship one? Or extract the power from one- which the Males are designed to do?

In society the most highly in tuned people with the spirit world have always been female, and when they are not female they are usually asexual Males who are also highly sensitive. Our society has no tools to define the brain wave patterns for asexual highly spiritual Males, thus most of them are "cultured" to be homosexuals. Had such Males followed their own spiritual instincts- the patterns would be much different.

You will be hard pressed to fine a higher level of creativity and style beyond that of the homosexual Black Male. "Social" rejection of the feminine Male by society as well as culturally by the female has also created this lifestyle. Women will say, well I don't want a Man that acts like and looks like a Woman. But yet she will be with a Female that acts like a Man? Interesting dynamic.

If homosexuality were really as cut and dry as most homosexual scientists and advocates would have us believe it would be impossible for a feminine Male to be "turned on" by a masculine Woman, and this does in fact happen. In fact, homosexuality would be eradicated within decades if such a movement could ever be formed.

The truth perhaps as Bro. Keita pointed out earlier the larger majority of so-called homosexuals are actually bi-sexuals. In fact even for lesbian couples it rare to find a female who is not bi-sexual while the other partner is a masculine female that has been socially rejected by Men. It's so obvious by body type even a child could point it out.

The research I did, probably won't do your class any good if the class is being taught by a white person or a black person who has taken the white mans way of teaching to be the word of gospel.

For white people, seeing is believing and for white people, documentation is important. For black people it is the opposite, we don't have to literally see anything because we are a spiritual people.

To me Documentation is just something else someone else recorded and now it is looked upon as scholarly Doctrine. White peoples historical recordings in America and other continents outside of Europe has been geared towards making them look righteous, not to make them look bad. White mans best trick was to fool everyone into believing that they are just like him. Now they want to say that homosexuality is perfectly normal and people are born that way but where is there proof? All they have given us is speculation but if you present to your teacher all that I am speculating to you, she or he won't have it. White people have made all of the rules and they know it is impossible for us to truly be us if we have to live by their standards...Robbing us of the knowledge of self.


The research I did started off with white mans invasions of the continents. I researched the white mans rein in Asia and Africa. The dates for when Homosexuality began to form in those continents all began after the white mans rein. For instance, If you check out homosexuality in Asia, you may find some artifacts that display pedophilia and homosexuality but those artifacts didn't come into existence until after the white man Colonized or attempted to colonize that particular region. In Africa alone, Homosexuality is becoming rampant due to religious brainwash and this is not a new thing.

Example, for hundreds of years, white people have been sending missionary's into Africa to so call Convert Africans from their savage ways, today this is still happening. After the white woman missionary has come in as holy Mary mother of God trying to save the savage people, after she has gained the trust of our African people, she then calls for the popes followers to come in to the villages. The popes followers ask African mothers and fathers if they can take their little boys and girls for seven years to live in something like a convent where they will bring these children up for seven years in the eyes of God, at the obedience and consent of the white woman missionary, the African mothers and fathers agree. They release the child back to the parents after the 7 years. The parents give consent and they never know that while their children are gone, they are being molested by the so called holy white people God has called upon to do his bidding.


Do you understand what I am saying?

Boys town was founded by the Catholics, boys are getting molested all the time in boys town. This is nothing new, remember all those Catholic priest getting caught molesting all those boys, see how that was swept under the rug? We don't hear about that anymore. History is now in the present with this situation. Catholicism is a religious cover up for homosexuals and homosexuality and has always been. I used to go to a Catholic school and I could tell you some stories about that and what I experienced.


Also, if you read some of the fictional books written by black authors after slavery, a lot of those books give hints to black boys being molested during slavery. Black Mama Widow was published in 1969 but the story takes place in the 40's that book gives some hints.



Hope that information helps you and when you do your research, please let me know if you find anything that disqualifies or supports what I have said.

My how I wish I could say more!

Right now, I have to head to work, but I will make a couple quick comments...

I used to go to a Catholic school and I could tell you some stories about that and what I experienced.

That is not something you would want to say to a person like me...lol...I am a Sagittarius - I thirst for extensive documentation (as you call it) for the purpose of better under/overstanding something! My appetite for Knowledge (applicable knowledge) is like unto a hungry shark in the Deep Sea, so if you choose to, I challenge you to present such stories to me...i'd like to know!

Lastly, you definitely don't want to get me started on presenting information to the Professors. I will become so controversial, this institution will never be the same! That being said, i'd be cautious when bringing such info. as you mentioned to the class. It is that heavy. I did something similar when at my former school, and let's just say...things didn't turn out pretty at all.

Be back later!

KWABENA

My how I wish I could say more!

Right now, I have to head to work, but I will make a couple quick comments...



That is not something you would want to say to a person like me...lol...I am a Sagittarius - I thirst for extensive documentation (as you call it) for the purpose of better under/overstanding something! My appetite for Knowledge (applicable knowledge) is like unto a hungry shark in the Deep Sea, so if you choose to, I challenge you to present such stories to me...i'd like to know!

Lastly, you definitely don't want to get me started on presenting information to the Professors. I will become so controversial, this institution will never be the same! That being said, i'd be cautious when bringing such info. as you mentioned to the class. It is that heavy. I did something similar when at my former school, and let's just say...things didn't turn out pretty at all.

Be back later!

KWABENA

Yes, In Junior college, I went through my revolution stage, I had to see what would happen if I did and let me tell you, my teachers did not like that, especially my black teachers. :em3000:


Any way, I remember that all of the Sisters who were teachers at this school tried to imitate men by the way they walked and talked. I remember that all of the Fathers looked feminine, not in the face but just by how they carried their self. I remember when I got my first catholic school whippin and it was for no good reason. I never got used to that school. Any way, I was always over protective of my little sister so I would walk her to class first and then go to my class. Well, I was late to class three times and on the third time, my teacher sent me to the office. This was my first time in the office, the principal could have just given me a warning but instead, she decides to whip me with this wooden paddle. The sister laid me over her lap, when she could have let me stand up. She raised my dress up so that she could get me real good. Before she began to whip me, she first ran her hand over my behind in a soft like motion. I remember thinking to my self...

"Hmm, what is she doing? Is she being nice to me? Maybe she is not going to whip me"
As soon I was done processing those thoughts... Pow! :bam: She whacked me across my a-- hard as hell. I squeezed my a-- muscles, trying to numb the pain and after I squeezed my a--, she began running her hands over my a-- again. I remember thinking again, "what is she doing? I never got a whipping like this" First she is soothing my a--, then she is whipping my a--. She repeated the whipping in the same fashion three times until I began to cry, then she stopped. At first I could not cry because at that age, I didn't know if she was trying to make me feel good or if she was trying to hurt me. I was going through mixed emotions. Then, something told me to cry because that is what she wanted me to do, so I did, I cried. I was about 9 years of age then.


Now you tell me, what do you think that was all about?

Hetep!

Street So'ja- No souls do not have gender, spirits do. Soul is synonymous with the Ba, which is one, and infinite. While spirit, synonymous with the Ka do have gender as they are finite manifestations of that which is Ba. As the Ba contains the all, it is necessary that it manifest itself through an object which allows it to manifest all that is in the all as distinct singularities. So there is no contradiction. Reread the post brother. Soul is divine, while spirit is that which is persona. The soul is the mind of Re and the spirit is its expansion, and individual manifestation.

Hetep!

Example, for hundreds of years, white people have been sending missionary's into Africa to so call Convert Africans from their savage ways, today this is still happening. After the white woman missionary has come in as holy Mary mother of God trying to save the savage people, after she has gained the trust of our African people, she then calls for the popes followers to come in to the villages. The popes followers ask African mothers and fathers if they can take their little boys and girls for seven years to live in something like a convent where they will bring these children up for seven years in the eyes of God, at the obedience and consent of the white woman missionary, the African mothers and fathers agree. They release the child back to the parents after the 7 years. The parents give consent and they never know that while their children are gone, they are being molested by the so called holy white people God has called upon to do his bidding.

This is interesting, in the book OF WATER AND THE SPIRIT the author recounts the above experince.

thank you

Hetep!

Street So'ja- No souls do not have gender, spirits do. Soul is synonymous with the Ba, which is one, and infinite.

Hetep!

peace brethren
i'm not new to this

you used the word "synonymous" and i quote Soul is synonymous with the Basoul is not BA but very close it. NOTHING is the ALL (GOD) except the ALL (GOD) itself

so therefore a soul is NOT GOD but close to god, so it falls under
characteristics of the universe, which fall under the polar event of gender

so you said yourself "Soul is synonymous with the Ba" But it is not Ba

the soul, the soul is BA

a soul is not genderless, "GOD" is the only genderless energy in the universe. THE ONLY ONE

souls do not override GOD they follow in tune with and thus falls victim
so to speak to the universe which is genderful

positive/negative forces in constant battle that's like saying HEAVEN and HELL exist above GOD you know that's not true
if it's NOT GOD then it has gender RULE NUMBER ONE OF A POLAR UNIVERSE

i do understand what you saying trust me

but nothing can out do the ALL (GOD), not souls, spirits, not US and most of
not the universe itself for the THE ALL (GOD) is the power

not the other way around

peace brethren

one day it will come to you

i appreciate you strength you search for the truth it is neverending

although this is NOT the subject of the thread i do appreciate you taking time to hear me out

Amnat my dear, could you fix your, the one about "Soul and Water" so that your post does not look like it has no quote.


Thanks my dear...
love you

thank you


the highlighted quote is by Astrologer4u i was drawing attention to it because this experince as been documented by the Author of Water and the spirit, im having problems with my quotes sorry.

the highlighted quote is by Astrologer4u i was drawing attention to it because this experince as been documented by the Author of Water and the spirit, im having problems with my quotes sorry.


Amnat, am interested in reading that book. Been on line trying to locate the book but I think I am going to need the name of the Author, would you be able to get a hold of the Authors name please?

Amnat, am interested in reading that book. Been on line trying to locate the book but I think I am going to need the name of the Author, would you be able to get a hold of the Authors name please?


Malidoma Patrice Some

http://dickinsg.intrasun.tcnj.edu/diaspora/water.html

I'll like your take on his cultural belives on homosexualilty aswell, as i said before in his culture (Dagara of Bukina faso) homosexuals are regarded as the gatekeepers between the spirit world and the physical world, very interesting read.

Malidoma Patrice Some

http://dickinsg.intrasun.tcnj.edu/diaspora/water.html

I'll like your take on his cultural belives on homosexualilty aswell, as i said before in his culture (Dagara of Bukina faso) homosexuals are regarded as the gatekeepers between the spirit world and the physical world, very interesting read.

Thanks dear, good looking out!


I read some inserts from that link you gave me, I just ordered the book. I am so glad that an African native finally recorded what really happen to him because everything I had stated was speculation based on what I seen going on around me and what I researched based on what I seen and researched. However, there was no so called real tangible proof. For instance, I knew that homosexuality is a white mans thing because he say's it in his historical writings and he dispalys it in his historical art. If homosexuality is a white mans thing, how did everyone else on the planet become poisoned by it? My research led me to check out the years for when white man entered into other country's and compare it to the date of when homosexuality was recognized in those countries or continent. I was led to some art in Asia which displayed pedophilia and homosexuality but the art was dated after the white man came. I wish I had kept that information. My Gemini rising makes me the did that done that type so when I prove something to my self, sometimes I don't collect the information of where I got it from because I always know, if I did it once, I can do it again, you know what I mean? Any way, did the same thing for Africa but found no so called art or writings which dealt wit homosexuality. However, did find some art that displayed orgy's and such... Also found recent articles of homosexuality in Africa... Any way, my conclusion was, all people who white people colonized or attempted to colonize has picked up on some of the white mans beast like ways.

Now, I need to understand why is it that people are being led like little sheep by white people? To this day, everyone competes to live more European like. Even if we are not competeting, we are still forced to live our life according to the European standards.

For instance, I knew that homosexuality is a white mans thing because he say's it in his historical writings and he dispalys it in his historical art. If homosexuality is a white mans thing, how did everyone else on the planet become poisoned by it?

like all his poison, he attacks kids

remember they molested kids not grown people

everyone got poisoned by him from the statement

"when in rome do as the romans do"

that a spirit killer right there

they didn't say "do as the africans do" because they were about life and living

so do as the romans do, crazy follow crazy:em2700:

i think the problem with black people is that we have too many cats who are sure that they know what they do not know.

i think the problem with black people is that we have too many cats who are sure that they know what they do not know.



My brotha, you are obviously gay, am I right or wrong?

My brotha, you are obviously gay, am I right or wrong?

:qqb023:no i'm not gay, i'm intelligent.........smart enough to know what i don't know

:qqb023:no i'm not gay, i'm intelligent.........smart enough to know what i don't know


Why you keep sounding like people don't understand you? Like people are talking about you specifically?

Why you keep sounding like people don't understand you. Like people are talking about you specifically?

:11300:i'm responding to a bunch who know nothin talking like they do

Hetep!

Brother Street so'ja thanks for your reply, however i think we have a different ontological understanding of ba, and how it relates to All. As i see it, the All is just that, All and is manifested through the singularities which exist in the All. That is, a puzzle is made up of all of its pieces. If the "All" is Ba, and Ba is Nebertcher, then yes we are the All, we are Nebertcher. This, to me, is the greatest of all mysteries, how we, which are singular and plural, are actually the All and complete. By saying we are All, i mean that at our root, to use psychological terminology our collective unconscious, is that of Nebertcher Himself, at our most fundamental essence we are the Mind of God, The All. However, due to the elemental compositions which make up or spirit, our capacity to manifest the All which we have within us is limited in its scope. I.e. One can be a man of war and of peace, uniting opposite like in the All, however if placed in a state of war, only ones warlike aspect will manifest. Maybe this can help explain my vantage point a little better.
Whats beautiful about truth brother, is that it is the combining of all facts and ideas to a cohesive, unified reality. What you see is right, as well as what i see, however the truth is something other than that, which we cant arrive at by reasoning or searching. It comes only to us in that state of Hetep or divine quisence (?), the place where we get back to the All, Nebertcher.

One can be a man of war and of peace, uniting opposite like in the All, i get your point, my point was nothing overrides the ALL, i get you're saying about we are the ALL i get that, but we very limited, infinite(MENTAL THOUGHT) in a finite sense if you may lol

you state uniting opposite like in the All
my contention was that the ALL doesn't need to unite opposites because the
ALL created the opposites(polarity) to begin with

i appreciate your post

Whats beautiful about truth brother, is that it is the combining of all facts and ideas to a cohesive, unified reality. What you see is right, as well as what i see, however the truth is something other than that, which we cant arrive at by reasoning or searching. It comes only to us in that state of Hetep or divine quisence (?), the place where we get back to the All, Nebertcher.


YES I AGREE very much i'm STILL learning i will until i am no longer
my mind is not stuck in a time warp, when i see BS i know what it is
i have a strong spirit that's good at filtering out BS

you have talent my friend, we can learn from each other
i can/and do learn from everyone, but if you going to give me your programmed illusional thinking i'm not interested

you on the other hand my brethren Neb Akhu Ra i see are trying to break from that (i hope lol)

peace brethren, keep searching, as i will and i hope we can shake hands
on top of the mountain of TRUTH

peace

:11300:i'm responding to a bunch who know nothin talking like they do


Well, it is obvious they are not paying you any attention so why waste your time? If you know what you know, those that don't know what you know, hopefully they will know when the time is for them to know. For now, there is nothing you or anyone else can do to try and convince people of something they don't want to be convinced of. You can keep wasting your time with short and futile responses :tongue2: or you can spend more time trying to help people understand what ever it is, you have come to know. :teach:


Hope you don't get dissapointed with this response because that is not what I am intending. I don't have any problems with you or gay black people. I love em all. Don't you?

Well, it is obvious they are not paying you any attention so why waste your time? If you know what you know, those that don't know what you know, hopefully they will know when the time is for them to know. For now, there is nothing you or anyone else can do to try and convince people of something they don't want to be convinced of. You can keep wasting your time with short and futile responses :tongue2: or you can spend more time trying to help people understand what ever it is, you have come to know. :teach:


Hope you don't get dissapointed with this response because that is not what I am intending. I don't have any problems with you or gay black people. I love em all. Don't you?

:qqb009:beam me up scotty, there's no intelligent life forms down here......

:qqb009:beam me up scotty, there's no intelligent life forms down here......



And you would be no exception to the rule my dear.

I agree with Meta and Keita on their points.....

I am in LA right now, and one of my first thoughts was mayne... is everybody gay out this piece... real talk....

I try to take the position that I'd like to not judge anyone...

that being said....

first as far as divinity is concerned and being concious homosexuality wouldn't exist...

second.... some use homosexuality as a power trip meaning they are just selfish, greedy and are using the power in sex to manifest what they want....

thirdly i think some are as it was stated unblanced meaning a seed was planted.. and seeds can be planted so many ways and prosper...

the only one i personally hold it against is the one who full well knows that it is against the natural order of things and still choses it......

it's all in the mind, and some minds are more fragile and can be manipulated so easily

it's a touchy subject because there are many people whom i love very much that have gone this route ........

and i gotta really lolololololol .......

cause i was reading br. keita's post and it was all well written and poised and i'm nodding my head like good point.. sounding educated and knowledgeable here... then i got to the part about

"takin it up the rear" .... lololololololololololololol

One Love Ya'll...

Yes, In Junior college, I went through my revolution stage, I had to see what would happen if I did and let me tell you, my teachers did not like that, especially my black teachers. :em3000:


Any way, I remember that all of the Sisters who were teachers at this school tried to imitate men by the way they walked and talked. I remember that all of the Fathers looked feminine, not in the face but just by how they carried their self. I remember when I got my first catholic school whippin and it was for no good reason. I never got used to that school. Any way, I was always over protective of my little sister so I would walk her to class first and then go to my class. Well, I was late to class three times and on the third time, my teacher sent me to the office. This was my first time in the office, the principal could have just given me a warning but instead, she decides to whip me with this wooden paddle. The sister laid me over her lap, when she could have let me stand up. She raised my dress up so that she could get me real good. Before she began to whip me, she first ran her hand over my behind in a soft like motion. I remember thinking to my self...

"Hmm, what is she doing? Is she being nice to me? Maybe she is not going to whip me"
As soon I was done processing those thoughts... Pow! :bam: She whacked me across my a-- hard as hell. I squeezed my a-- muscles, trying to numb the pain and after I squeezed my a--, she began running her hands over my a-- again. I remember thinking again, "what is she doing? I never got a whipping like this" First she is soothing my a--, then she is whipping my a--. She repeated the whipping in the same fashion three times until I began to cry, then she stopped. At first I could not cry because at that age, I didn't know if she was trying to make me feel good or if she was trying to hurt me. I was going through mixed emotions. Then, something told me to cry because that is what she wanted me to do, so I did, I cried. I was about 9 years of age then.


Now you tell me, what do you think that was all about?

See...all the more reason why I can not take any religious [american] content or principles seriously. I question the ethical approach (or lack thereof) of americatholic-based institutions.

KWABENA

See...all the more reason why I can not take any religious [american] content or principles seriously. I question the ethical approach (or lack thereof) of americatholic-based institutions.

KWABENA


But KWABENA, what do you think about that whole scene? What sickness do white people engage in that reminds you of what that Catholic school lesbian tacher did to me?

But KWABENA, what do you think about that whole scene? What sickness do white people engage in that reminds you of what that Catholic school lesbian tacher did to me?

In order to answer questions like this, I would have to see it from their eyes. In their eyes, there is nothing "sick" about it; it is how it is. Because I am at the point where no matter how different someone/something is from what I am used to, I have to respect it. Therefore, if it is/was acceptable to do what they did to you according to whatever guidelines and policies that private institution set forth, i'd have to respect that. Personally, it's nothing I would do to a child/student, but that's just me.

I hope I answered your question. If not, let me know.

KWABENA

In order to answer questions like this, I would have to see it from their eyes. In their eyes, there is nothing "sick" about it; it is how it is. Because I am at the point where no matter how different someone/something is from what I am used to, I have to respect it. Therefore, if it is/was acceptable to do what they did to you according to whatever guidelines and policies that private institution set forth, i'd have to respect that. Personally, it's nothing I would do to a child/student, but that's just me.

I hope I answered your question. If not, let me know.

KWABENA

You are not understanding. Rubbing my bottom and then whipping, that is straight up Sadism. I never been spanked like that until I went to that school.

The Catholic system is a sytem which experiments it's sicknesses with children. That was my point which I have been trying to point out to you. You asked me to tell you of my experinces at the Catholic institution so I did. Just so you will understand what Sadism is, I left you some information.



Sexual sadism:


Definition
The essential feature of sexual sadism is a feeling of sexual excitement resulting from administering pain, suffering, or humiliation to another person. The pain, suffering, or humiliation inflicted on the other is real; it is not imagined and may be either physical or psychological in nature. A person with a diagnosis of sexual sadism is sometimes called a sadist. The name of the disorder is derived from the proper name of the Marquis Donatien de Sade (1740-1814), a French aristocrat who became notorious for writing novels around the theme of inflicting pain as a source of sexual pleasure.


Description
In addition to the sexual pleasure or excitement derived from inflicting pain and humiliation on another, a person diagnosed with sexual sadism often experiences significant impairment or distress in functioning due to actual sadistic behaviors or sadistic fantasies.

With regard to actual sadistic behavior, the person receiving the pain, suffering, or humiliation may or may not be a willing partner. Whether or not the partner is consenting, it is the very real suffering they are experiencing that is arousing to the sadist. When the sexual activity is consensual, the behavior is sometimes referred to as sadomasochism. The consenting partner may be given a diagnosis of sexual masochism. Like sadism, masochism is a term derived from a proper name; in this instance, from Leopold von Sacher-Masoch (1836-1895), an Austrian novelist who described the disorder in his books.

The sadistic acts performed or fantasized by a person with sadism often reflect a desire for sexual or psychological domination of another person. These acts range from behavior that is not physically harmful although it may be humiliating to the other person (such as being urinated upon), to criminal and potentially deadly behavior. Acts of domination may include restraining or imprisoning the partner through the use of handcuffs, cages, chains, or ropes. Other acts and fantasies related to sexual sadism include paddling, spanking, whipping, burning, beating, administering electrical shocks, biting, urinating or defecating on the other person, cutting, rape, murder, and mutilation.

Notice all of the descriptions for inflicting Sadism, all of the descriptions are things whites have done to blacks through out history.

You are not understanding. Rubbing my bottom and then whipping, that is straight up Sadism. I never been spanked like that until I went to that school.

The Catholic system is a sytem which experiments it's sicknesses with children. That was my point which I have been trying to point out to you. You asked me to tell you of my experinces at the Catholic institution so I did. Just so you will understand what Sadism is, I left you some information.



Sexual sadism:


Definition
The essential feature of sexual sadism is a feeling of sexual excitement resulting from administering pain, suffering, or humiliation to another person. The pain, suffering, or humiliation inflicted on the other is real; it is not imagined and may be either physical or psychological in nature. A person with a diagnosis of sexual sadism is sometimes called a sadist. The name of the disorder is derived from the proper name of the Marquis Donatien de Sade (1740-1814), a French aristocrat who became notorious for writing novels around the theme of inflicting pain as a source of sexual pleasure.


Description
In addition to the sexual pleasure or excitement derived from inflicting pain and humiliation on another, a person diagnosed with sexual sadism often experiences significant impairment or distress in functioning due to actual sadistic behaviors or sadistic fantasies.

With regard to actual sadistic behavior, the person receiving the pain, suffering, or humiliation may or may not be a willing partner. Whether or not the partner is consenting, it is the very real suffering they are experiencing that is arousing to the sadist. When the sexual activity is consensual, the behavior is sometimes referred to as sadomasochism. The consenting partner may be given a diagnosis of sexual masochism. Like sadism, masochism is a term derived from a proper name; in this instance, from Leopold von Sacher-Masoch (1836-1895), an Austrian novelist who described the disorder in his books.

The sadistic acts performed or fantasized by a person with sadism often reflect a desire for sexual or psychological domination of another person. These acts range from behavior that is not physically harmful although it may be humiliating to the other person (such as being urinated upon), to criminal and potentially deadly behavior. Acts of domination may include restraining or imprisoning the partner through the use of handcuffs, cages, chains, or ropes. Other acts and fantasies related to sexual sadism include paddling, spanking, whipping, burning, beating, administering electrical shocks, biting, urinating or defecating on the other person, cutting, rape, murder, and mutilation.

Notice all of the descriptions for inflicting Sadism, all of the descriptions are things whites have done to blacks through out history.

Well I appreciate the information. I will be sure to make it useful in my research. As far as the Catholic system is concerned, well...it is what it is...I just know I won't be participating in such practices.

If I misunderstood, that's on me; i'll realize the point one way or another.

Peace!

KWABENA

Well I appreciate the information. I will be sure to make it useful in my research. As far as the Catholic system is concerned, well...it is what it is...I just know I won't be participating in such practices.

If I misunderstood, that's on me; i'll realize the point one way or another.

Peace!

KWABENA


Maybe I misunderstood because it was to my understanding that, you wanted me to provide research to support what I had said about black boys being molested during slavery. I told you of how I basically in short, brought history into the future by researching Africa and Asia and comparing that information to what I see going on today in those continents and America as a result to Colonization and Slavery. This was your response to what I previously posted below...


THAT is very profound...very profound. I am tempted to ask you to provide research to support this for two reasons.

1) We just finished talking about this subject (Sexual Orientation) in our Human Sexuality class

2) It will really, really help me (and others, maybe) as I go about performing research on why we are how we are as a people today. It truly does have an impact on our lifestyles as Afrikans in America today.

However, instead of asking you to provide proof, I will go and find it myself. You are welcome to share sources though, if you'd like.

Great statement!

I then got back to you telling you that I could tell you of some stories I experienced in Catholic school but I wasn't going to get into that at the time. I was telling you that becuase I was trying to bring the past into the future. One of the examples aside from my experience was "Boys Town" This was your response below...


That is not something you would want to say to a person like me...lol...I am a Sagittarius - I thirst for extensive documentation (as you call it) for the purpose of better under/overstanding something! My appetite for Knowledge (applicable knowledge) is like unto a hungry shark in the Deep Sea, so if you choose to, I challenge you to present such stories to me...i'd like to know!

Now I am really confused because after I told you of my experience at the Catholic school like you basically encouraged me to do in your above quote, this was your response below...


See...all the more reason why I can not take any religious [american] content or principles seriously. I question the ethical approach (or lack thereof) of americatholic-based institutions.!


I noticed that you put emphasis on American. Any way, I asked you what you thought about the whole seen I described to you in reference to my experience at the Catholic School and this was your response which from where I am standing, contradicts your previous statement and response.


In order to answer questions like this, I would have to see it from their eyes. In their eyes, there is nothing "sick" about it; it is how it is. Because I am at the point where no matter how different someone/something is from what I am used to, I have to respect it. Therefore, if it is/was acceptable to do what they did to you according to whatever guidelines and policies that private institution set forth, i'd have to respect that. Personally, it's nothing I would do to a child/student, but that's just me..


Any way, I am not understanding what is you are in need of at this point. Are you getting anything from this discussion as you expressed you desired to get? Please let me know.

In case you missed it Amnat posted a book wich confirms that the historical and present sickness of the Catholic institution is not only happening in America as you attempted to point out. It is happening in Africa as well like I previously stated. Here is the Link that Amant posted which will lead you to an African man born in the Motherland. He has written a book about his experience.





Malidoma Patrice Some

http://dickinsg.intrasun.tcnj.edu/diaspora/water.html

I'll like your take on his cultural belives on homosexualilty aswell, as i said before in his culture (Dagara of Bukina faso) homosexuals are regarded as the gatekeepers between the spirit world and the physical world, very interesting read..

I agree with Meta and Keita on their points.....

I am in LA right now, and one of my first thoughts was mayne... is everybody gay out this piece... real talk....

I try to take the position that I'd like to not judge anyone...

that being said....

first as far as divinity is concerned and being concious homosexuality wouldn't exist...

second.... some use homosexuality as a power trip meaning they are just selfish, greedy and are using the power in sex to manifest what they want....

thirdly i think some are as it was stated unblanced meaning a seed was planted.. and seeds can be planted so many ways and prosper...

the only one i personally hold it against is the one who full well knows that it is against the natural order of things and still choses it......

it's all in the mind, and some minds are more fragile and can be manipulated so easily

it's a touchy subject because there are many people whom i love very much that have gone this route ........

and i gotta really lolololololol .......

cause i was reading br. keita's post and it was all well written and poised and i'm nodding my head like good point.. sounding educated and knowledgeable here... then i got to the part about

"takin it up the rear" .... lololololololololololololol

One Love Ya'll...

The answer to that would be NO.

Perhaps it may be the company you rollin' with but plenty of straight folks in LA. Just dont expect to find them in the club or the church or in WEST hollywood.
But its all good....I was thinking the same thing about ATL which is why I had to head back west.

Homosexual and Conscious?

Cant really say that I know since Im a straight man. Dont know too many folks who are heterosexual and CONSCIOUS as far as that goes...

Maybe I misunderstood because it was to my understanding that, you wanted me to provide research to support what I had said about black boys being molested during slavery. I told you of how I basically in short, brought history into the future by researching Africa and Asia and comparing that information to what I see going on today in those continents and America as a result to Colonization and Slavery. This was your response to what I previously posted below...

Oh No! lol

I choose not to ask people to provide research for a reason. It is not like I felt as though I “had the answers,” then asked you to provide research, despite the fact I “had the answers.” What I was meaning to say was I would like to learn more about that – more about the sexual/psychological abuse done to our people throughout history (our-story), and how it has led to us being how/where we are today. The information you provided was, if you want to say, a Start. If there was anything I could and would ask of you, it would be to suggest resources where I could read further into, for example, Sexual Sadism Committed Against Afrikan People – Past and Present. Nothing along the lines of “Astrologer4u, I don’t believe you; show me some research to support your information.”

Moving on…

I then got back to you telling you that I could tell you of some stories I experienced in Catholic school but I wasn't going to get into that at the time. I was telling you that becuase I was trying to bring the past into the future. One of the examples aside from my experience was "Boys Town" This was your response below...

Now I am really confused because after I told you of my experience at the Catholic school like you basically encouraged me to do in your above quote, this was your response below...

I noticed that you put emphasis on American. Any way, I asked you what you thought about the whole seen I described to you in reference to my experience at the Catholic School and this was your response which from where I am standing, contradicts your previous statement and response.


Ok Ok…First and foremost, Wow! Never in my thought processing would I think you would get this serious. Then again, I have to take the blame, because I said what I said, and did not think about how you would take it. As a result, you got confused. Well let’s fix the confusion.

As a person, I can not say I am surprised something like that happened to you, for the simple fact that I realize what a “sick” world we live in. As far as “America” is concerned, that was not anything to offend you; it is me saying that despite all that I have learned from “America” about being righteous and all, even the most religious-minded persons are not righteous. Therefore, why listen to them and follow their lead? It’s about how I view Ethics in America, moreso than how I viewed your particular situation. I was seeing it from the far outside-in, which is why you got confused. As far as your situation, I’d have to consider the personality-type of the woman who did that to you. Is that how she always is and was as a person, or was it just you who had that experience with her?



Any way, I am not understanding what is you are in need of at this point. Are you getting anything from this discussion as you expressed you desired to get? Please let me know.

I stated what I was in need of at the start of the post. So far, you have been great providing at least something that I can start from on my quest to better “seeing” this impact on us as a people. Needless to say, I am getting something, but I will get much more when I look further into this on my free time. I will take the time to look into how the sadistic (I am sure sadism came from that, or vice-versa) catholic system strongly impacted our people in the past, and how it has led to us behaving the way we behave today.

Peace, and thanks again for the info.

KWABENA

HETEPU FAMILY THIS IS A GREAT DAY IN OUR STORY I SAY THAT BECAUSE WE ARE FORTUNATE TO RECIEVE OUT-FORMATION ABOUT INFORMATION WE ASSUME TO OVERSTAND UNDER THE THINKING OF THE FORIEGN INVADERS. IN THE WORDS OF THE MASTER TEACHER PA RE AMUNUBI ROAKPTAH WHO HAS ADDRESS EVERY TOPIC ABOVE THE EARTH AND BELOW THE CONCRETE HAS EXPLAIN IT

BLACK MAN FIRST IF WE ALL AGREE THAT WOMEN IS GOD AND WE CAME FROM HER AND S-HE COMING FROM MALE AND WE HAVE BEINGS THAT REPRESENT HER ENERGY OR PASSIVE SIDE IN A MALE BODY OR EMULATE HER WOULDNT THAT MEAN IF A MAN EMULATES A WOMEN HE IS EMULATING GOD?


DR MZY STATED THAT RA WAS CONSIDERED ANDORGYNEOUS HAVEING BOTHE MALE AND FE-MALE PARTS WELL IT S SAFE TO CONCLUDE THAT WE AS GENDER PERSONS HAVE DUAL CHARATERISTICS AND WHEN ONE TENDS TO SHOW MORE THAN THE OTHER OR ACT ON HIS DUAL SIDE HOW CAN ANYONE SAY ITS WRONG OR DISAGREES WITH YOUR MORAL THINKING WHEN IT IS A FACT OF ONES EXISTENCE

IT IS NOTED IN THE BLACK BOOK WRITTEN BY DR MZY THAT THE Y CHROMOSOME IS A BROEKN X AND THAT ITS MISSING GENETIC MATERIAL AND THAT THE X CHROMOSOME PRE-DATE THE Y AS FE-MALE PRE DATE THE MALE CALL MITROCHONDIRA DNA WHICH ALSO PROVES WOMEN IS GOD& CREATED FIRST



IN THE SACRED RECORD OF TEHUTI WRITTEN BY DR MZY HE STATED TO YOU METAPHYSICANS THAT TO EVERY THING THEIR A OPPOSITE (LAWS OF POLARITY)LIKE UP DOWN IN AND OUT MALE FE-MALE BUT WHAT THEY FORGOT TO INCLUDE WAS TO EVERY OPPOSITE THERE A ABSTRACT AND SO IT WOULD BE MALE -FEMALE& ALSO HE MALE-SHEMALE WHICH EXPLAINS THEIR EXISTENCE


AS TO IF THIS SO-CALL ANOMALY AS BRO PHIL VALENTINE WOULD SAY IS A RESULT OF THINGS THAT HAS DISTRUPTED MALES ORIGINAL NATURE AND WE HAVE COME OUT OF A CONDITIONING THAT HAS TAKEN EVERYTHING OFF BALANCE & OUT OF TUNE WITH THE NATURAL ORDER OF THINGS BUT THAT DOESNT MEAN THE HOMOSEXUAL COMMUNITY SPIRIT DOESNT EXIST BECAUSE YOU MUST ANALYZE THE PYSCHO-EMOTIONAL ENERGY AND FIND OUR WHERE IT COMES FROM AND HOW IF HOMOSEXUALITY REPRESENTS A PROBLEM IN MAN AND IN NATURE DID IT PRE-EXIST .SOME HAVE STATED THAT IN OUR LIMITED KNOWLEDGE OF HOW NATURE WORKS AND USES ITS CREATION TO ACHIEVE A CERTAIN GOAL THAT YOU CANT HAVE A INFINITE AMOUNT OF BEINGS LIKE HUMIMS ON A FINITE PLANET(FACT) SO HOW WOULD NATURE REMEDY THIS PROBLEM BESIDE KILLINGS WARS AND SPITTING OUT DISEASES TO PROTECT ITSELF FROM HUMIMS(NOT HOMOSEXUALS) HUMIMS ? OF COURSE ACTIVATE THE FEMININE (FEM-IN-NINE) ENERGY IN MALES. HOWEVER IF ITS EASY FOR YOU TO EQUATE THE HOMOSEXUAL WORLD WITH A MENTAL DISEASE THAN YOU WOULD HAVE TO SAY THE HETEROSEXUAL AND HOMOSEXUAL NUBIAN ARE IN THE SAME CONDITION AND HOW CAN ONE BE AWAKEN FROM THE SOCIAL ILLS OR CONDITIONING AND NOT THE OTHER? YES OUR BROTHERS CAN BE CONSIOUS AND ARE CONSIOUS AND ARE HELPING TO LIBERATE THE MINDS OF OUR PEOPLE AND THE SAME ENEMY THAT HARM YOUR BLOODLINE DID SO TO THEIR GENERATION(GENES) AND THEY ARE INHERITORS OF OUR ANCERTAL KNOWLEDGE AND CULTURE & SHOULD BE EMBRACE IN LOVE & UNITY AS THE NUWUABIANS HAVE DONE.


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HETEPU FAMILY THIS IS A GREAT DAY IN OUR STORY I SAY THAT BECAUSE WE ARE FORTUNATE TO RECIEVE OUT-FORMATION ABOUT INFORMATION WE ASSUME TO OVERSTAND UNDER THE THINKING OF THE FORIEGN INVADERS. IN THE WORDS OF THE MASTER TEACHER PA RE AMUNUBI ROAKPTAH WHO HAS ADDRESS EVERY TOPIC ABOVE THE EARTH AND BELOW THE CONCRETE HAS EXPLAIN IT

BLACK MAN FIRST IF WE ALL AGREE THAT WOMEN IS GOD AND WE CAME FROM HER AND S-HE COMING FROM MALE AND WE HAVE BEINGS THAT REPRESENT HER ENERGY OR PASSIVE SIDE IN A MALE BODY OR EMULATE HER WOULDNT THAT MEAN IF A MAN EMULATES A WOMEN HE IS EMULATING GOD?


DR MZY STATED THAT RA WAS CONSIDERED ANDORGYNEOUS HAVEING BOTHE MALE AND FE-MALE PARTS WELL IT S SAFE TO CONCLUDE THAT WE AS GENDER PERSONS HAVE DUAL CHARATERISTICS AND WHEN ONE TENDS TO SHOW MORE THAN THE OTHER OR ACT ON HIS DUAL SIDE HOW CAN ANYONE SAY ITS WRONG OR DISAGREES WITH YOUR MORAL THINKING WHEN IT IS A FACT OF ONES EXISTENCE

IT IS NOTED IN THE BLACK BOOK WRITTEN BY DR MZY THAT THE Y CHROMOSOME IS A BROEKN Y AND THAT ITS MISSING GENETIC MATERIAL AND THAT THE X CHROMOSOME PRE-DATE THE Y AS FE-MALE PRE DATE THE MALE CALL MITROCHONDIR A DNA WHICH ALSO PROVES WOMEN IS GOD



IN THE SACRED RECORD OF TEHUTI WRITTEN BY DR MZY HE STATED TO YOU METAPHYSICANS THAT TO EVERY THING THEIR A OPPOSITE LIKE UP DOWN IN AND OUT MALE FE-MALE BUT WHAT THEY FORGOT TO INCLUDE WAS TO EVERY OPPOSITE THERE A ABSTRACT AND SO IT WOULD BE MALE -FEMALE HE MALE-SHEMALE WHICH EXPLAINS THEIR EXISTENCE


MORE ON THIS TOPIC


So what are you saying? Can a homosexual, he-male, she-male whatever, can they be conscious or what?

:qqb013:

the answer is yes you can be homosexual and consious thats like saying can you be lesbian and consious as long as you function as a humim being with compacity to learn,understand and appl information and alos internalize it yes you can people place limitations on others to put them in a box the nerve of them,you and i and them were created in the image & after the likness of god so guess what god is? lol

look at how anyone operate or function with consiousness that call themselves hetero sexual? whats the difference lol the emotional responses on here defys logic they are children of the nezdiru embrace them they are the shamans amongst us here to serve a great purpose

the answer is yes you can be homosexual and consious thats like saying can you be lesbian and consious as long as you function as a humim being with compacity to learn,understand and appl information and alos internalize it yes you can people place limitations on others to put them in a box the nerve of them,you and i and them were created in the image & after the likness of god so guess what god is? lol

look at how anyone operate or function with consiousness that call themselves hetero sexual? whats the difference lol the emotional responses on here defys logic they are children of the nezdiru embrace them they are the shamans amongst us here to serve a great purpose


I question this on a simple basis. I'm a carpenter or so I tell you....and in reality I may actually be...but I've never built anything. Am I a carpenter?...maybe. I guess I could classify myself as a carpenter who does not practice carpentry. Like a painter who never paints or a musician who never plays. Now imagine me being conscious but I never exhibit or manifest consciousness. Now I say this to say that; My mouth can say anything such as I am a carpenter, a painter, a musician or a writer....but the reality of my life in terms of manifesting those things as being true is anything but those things. In light of that, am I really those things? I think not. In other words, how does one claim to be conscious without practicing consciousness? I'm simply curious for this answer.

WELL BROTHER WHAT IS PRACTISCING KONSIOUSNESS? THERE IN LYES YOUR ANSWER............................................ ...........................................DEFINE THAT AND WE WILL DISCOVER WHAT IT IS

Like I always say we often look at the "scab" as the problem when we should be looking at what caused it. Homosexuality is a manifestation of a problem, yet there are several degrees to that. I often wonder how "conscious" we would be, if white media could come up with other labels for social diseases? I despise the "male homosexual" more specifically just like the next Brotha, but there are other illnesses we suffer from that practically go un-noticed because media has not labeled it a pressure point.

First of all we'd be less concerned even with the male homosexual if male heterosexuals were doing a better job at nation building and designing the "family and community" curriculum that prevent homosexuality.

I would also ask how "conscious" can any Man be if he cannot relate with his Woman or his child? That actually more so than homosexuality is a problem in our community and in fact, I would go as far as to say that homosexuality would manifest "less frequently" among us if Males understand the power of their roles. But you have Brothas who wear "consciousness" as a badge of honor but can't relate to neither Woman nor child. How is that possible?

Perhaps because we think "Manhood" is all about relationships between Men only. Errr, but isn't that what homosexuality is?? So what is that social illness called when a Man would rather be "out with the boys" than loving on his Wife and raising his family? How about the fact that many so-called "conscious" Males are still chasing Women that have no aspirations for powerful consciousness, and will kick the Queen Goddess to the wayside because she doesn't have a big booty, or an MTV model figure, or straight hair, or whatever the case may be....what is that social disease?

How can anyone be truly conscious if....they are not "conscious" of their own illnesses? Or should we pretend that we're not all swimming within the same societal biles? As far as the spirit world, yes spirits do have a problem with homosexuality when it comes down to reproduction, there are billions of spirits waiting to come to earth and for course homosexuality would be a problem.

However homosexuality is also a form of warfare. If you are powerless the spirits don't want anything to do with you anyway, be as homo as you want to be- enjoy your life. But if you are filled with power, knowledge, consciousness, life giving energy etc., spirits will be at war with you. So I can't imagine what that would be like for someone who is "homosexual" and "conscious" - nothing will go right, everyday is a battlefield, you'd have to wear charms and shake redclay dust mixed with sage everywhere you go just to keep those beings from kicking you butt, your own Ancestors will show up to get some licks in. I'm certain this is happening to a great deal of homosexual Men who have power, and if it's not happening- you don't have anything that they want.

WELL I WOULDNT LABLE IT AS A PROBLEM THE QUESTION IS TO WHO? AND REMEMBER IF YOU STUDY THE VARIOUS LEVELS OF HOMOSEXUALITY AS DEFINE BY THE CULTURE(homosexuals themselevs) THE ISSUE IS NOT ABOUT REPRODUCTION HOMO-SEXUAL CAN AND DO REPRODUCE! (there are many types of homosexuals withinthe nubian race) and THERE WAS A PERIOD IN THE PTHAITE(tahites) KULTURE ACCORDING TO DR MZY TRIAD(DISCIPLE) WHO STUDIED (amongst watusi tribe and pathaites)_WHAT ONE PART OF AFRIKA DID _DID NOT REPRESENT THE REST of afrika or what they practise and according to bro heru this was pre-colonial times)OR BELIEVED OR FOLLOWED. I DONT BELIEVE THAT SPIRTS DISAGREE WITH THE SEXUAL PREFERENCES OF THEIR CHILDREN (being that we were created int their image and after their likeness)WHEN WE REREARCH WE WOULD FIND Ithat this LIFESTYLE existed but was socialy oppress- BUT EXPRESS IN VARIOUS PARTS OF AFRIKA PRE-COLONIAL & post-colonial times DR MALACHI Z. YORK OFFERES STRONG VIEWS BUT YET BALANCE ON THIS TOPIC AS HE ALWAYS TAKES OUR STORY HIGHER INTO THE REALM OF RIGHT KNOWLEDGE OUR ANCESTORS HAVE WORK THROUGH HIM AND CHANNELS SUPREME WISDOM & if you study any ancertsal practises such as vodou &yoruba you 'l find entites who were bi-sexual or favors lesbian & gay humims like ezili freda and hermorpodite entities like olokun,so how would spirits be gainst homosexuals when there are beings of our kind that represent the pyscho-emotional energy of thses spirits who many of us have relations to on earth as their children

WELL I WOULDNT LABLE IT AS A PROBLEM THE QUESTION IS TO WHO? AND REMEMBER IF YOU STUDY THE VARIOUS LEVELS OF HOMOSEXUALITY AS DEFINE BY THE CULTURE THE ISSUE IS NOT ABOUT REPRODUCTION HOMO-SEXUAL CAN AND DO REPRODUCE! THERE WAS A PERIOD IN THE PTHAITE KULTURE ACCORDING TO DR MZY TRIAD(DISCIPLE) WHO STUDIED AFRIKAN OURSTERY WHICH INDACTED A TIME WHEN THERE EXISTED SAME SEX PLEASURE AND OPPOSITE SEX REPRODUCTION AMONGST TRIBE S WHAT ONE PART OF AFRIKA DID DID NOT REPRESENT THE REST OR BELIEVED OR FOLLOWED. I DONT BELIEVE THAT SPIRTS DISAGREE WITH THE SEXUAL PREFERENCES OF THEIR CHILDREN WHEN WE REREARCH WE WOULD FIND IN THIS LIFESTYLE TO BE HIDDEN ALWAYS EXISTED UNDER SOCIAL OPPRESSION BUT EXPRESS IN VARIOUS PARTS OF AFRIKA PRE-COLONIAL TIMES DR MALACHI Z. YORK OFFERES STRONG VIEWS BUT YEST BALANCE ON THIS TOPIC AS HE ALWAYS TAKES OUR STORY HIGHER INTO THE REALM OF RIGHT KNOWLEDGE OUR ANCESTORS HAVE WORK THROUGH HIM AND CHANNELS SUPREME WISDOM



This is where we differ and have a right to. As a former student of his I do not give him the same credibility as you do. Due to my age and due to my having been with him when he had the Asur Allah Community in New York, I have basically also watched his change, been a victim of what I call "flip flop" scholarism from his literature....I basically let go of him back in 1994 in my own quest and journey of growth. So rather than slam the brother or get all into his character it's just best to say that this is the area where we can not break bread in terms of taking what he says as being authentic, right and correct.

the answer is yes you can be homosexual and consious thats like saying can you be lesbian and consious as long as you function as a humim being with compacity to learn,understand and appl information and alos internalize it yes you can people place limitations on others to put them in a box the nerve of them,you and i and them were created in the image & after the likness of god so guess what god is? lol

look at how anyone operate or function with consiousness that call themselves hetero sexual? whats the difference lol the emotional responses on here defys logic they are children of the nezdiru embrace them they are the shamans amongst us here to serve a great purpose


I agree that homosexuals can be conscious, but not upon the basis of your explantion.

WELL BRO AS TO THE WORKS OF DR MZY AND YOUR EXPERIENCE WITH HIM IN WHATEVER SCHOOL OF THOUGHT YOU STUDIED THATS SOMETHING I CANT ARGUE ,HOWEVER TRAVELING WITH HIM THRUGH THE VARIOUS DEGREES OF INFORMATION HE HAS TAUGHT HAS ALLOW ME TO SAY AND QOUTE THIS BROTHERS WORK ,RESEARCH AND EXTREME KNOWLEDGE AND ALL THOSE WHO HAVE STUDEID IN HIS SCHOOLS MAY AGREE TO THE ABOVE SAID.YES WE ARE ALL ON OUR OWN JOURNEY BUT IT STARTED SOMEWHERE AND ITS INTERESTING THAT YOU SAID YOU WAS A ANSAAR BEFORE YOU VENTURED OUT THAT IS IN A SENSE GIVING CREDIT TO HIS works. I WOULDNT SAY HE HAS FLIP FLOP HIS TEACHINGS BUT TO ME HE MORE LIKE REFORM WHAT WAS BEING TAUGHT UNDER VARIOUS SCHOOLS OF THOUGHT(THOTH) AND PUT THE FACTS IN PERSPECTIVE WHICH WAS IMPERATIVE IN ORDER FOR OUR PEOPLE TO SEE THE TRUTH OF OUR KULTURE AND STEP AWAY FROM FOREIGN INVADERS IDEALS.

PA RE AMUNNUBI ROOAKHPTH (DR. MZY) HAS FILL THE RANKS OF ALL OUR GREAT LEADERS AND TEACHERS CARRYING ON THEIR GREAT WORK AND LEADING US HOME DESERVES THE HIGHEST CREDIBILITY,ALTHOUGH YOU MAY DISAGREE WITH HIS METHODOLOGY IT ALL SERVE TO UPLIFT THE KONSIOUSNESS OF OUR PEOPLE WHICH HE HAS ACHEIEVED AND NO GOOD WORKS GO UNPUNISH WHICH IS WHY THE ENEMIE FORCES CAME AGAINST HIM AND WE KNOW WHEN THE ENEIMIE ATTACKS YOU MUST BE ON TO SOMETHING HIS WORKS DEMONSTRATE THE TRUTH HE TEACHES AND THE AFFECTS IT HAS TAKEN ON THEM AND HE IS NOT YET FINISH AS THEY SAY IT AINT OVER TILL ITS OVER AND HIS GETTING OUT OF PRISON AND GOING TO AFRIKA WILL BE THE FINISHING TOUCH OF WHAT THIS GREAT POWERFUL MAN IS HERE TO DO AND WE ARE APART OF IT AS PROPHECY HAS INDICATED.

ITS THE GREAT AND DREADFUL DAY OF THE LORD.............GREAT BECAUSE THE MASTERS ARE HERE DREADFUL BECAUSE THE WRATH THEY BRING IS FIRECE JUST WACTH GOD GO TO WORK..

I agree that homosexuals can be conscious, but not upon the basis of your explantion.

YES WELL BE MY GUESS AND GIVE YOUR EXPLANATION THEIR S ENOUGH ROOM FOR OT LOL............................................I CAN TAKE IT FROM THE SIMPLEST FORM AND BRING OT TO THE MAX BUT FILL THE GAPS IN WOULD YA....LOL

Hetep!

Would like to inquire about how the board feels about someone who practices homosexuality and refers to themself as conscious or afrocentric. I know a brother who is a homosexual, however has knowledge and is definitely living in line with the Ancestors and has a very African mind. Is this possible?? How do the board members feel about this?? Is he genuine or a fraud?? I know certain people such as Dr. York see nothing wrong with homosexuality but what is the larger concensus?? Does sexual orientation matter in regards to liberation, both spiritually and physically?? Please let me know what you think, im perplexed and dont want to befriend black tesheru or sebau unaware.

Hetep!

YES I KNOW MANY ALSO WHO ARE CONSIOUS AND HOMOSEXUALS BUT O ASK THAT QUESTION IN A SENSE SOUNDS DE-HUMANIZING BECAUSE ITS LIKE SAYING CAN YOU BE HOMO-SEXUAL & HUMAN OR DISPLAY HUMAN POTENTIAL AND TO THE BRO WHO STATED DR.MALACHI Z. YORK IS A FRAUD I SUGGEST YOU DO YOUR HOMEWORK FRAUDULENT PEOPLE DONT PUT AS MUCH WORK TIME AND ENERGY TO EDUCATE PEOPLE IN OVER 720 PUBLICATIONS NOR BUILD BLACK COMMUNITES UP,TEACH & RAISE THE KONSIOUSNESS OF PEOPLE AND LIBERATE MINDS.

ok, i guess this is an old topic, and i skimmed through a lot of what has been said (i only read about five pages) so i don't know if anyone on this forum is a homosexual or not.

i am a lesbian, as being attracted to someone of the same sex; and i consider myself to be conscious and pro-black. I feel that what I do in my own bed room and who I have a relationship with is my own business. I know a lot of people may feel that I am less that human, not human, or don't deserve to live because of who I am, but how is that new? There are plenty of white racist who don't want me to live and feel as though I am not human because I am black. But how would they know? They are not black are they. so there you go.

ok, i guess this is an old topic, and i skimmed through a lot of what has been said (i only read about five pages) so i don't know if anyone on this forum is a homosexual or not.

i am a lesbian, as being attracted to someone of the same sex; and i consider myself to be conscious and pro-black. I feel that what I do in my own bed room and who I have a relationship with is my own business. I know a lot of people may feel that I am less that human, not human, or don't deserve to live because of who I am, but how is that new? There are plenty of white racist who don't want me to live and feel as though I am not human because I am black. But how would they know? They are not black are they. so there you go.

Sister Terrig ... Welcome Welcome Welcome ... :wave:

Thanks for joining us and sharing.

Please make yourself right at home, because you are.

:heart:

Destee

Sister Terrig ... Welcome Welcome Welcome ... :wave:

Thanks for joining us and sharing.

Please make yourself right at home, because you are.

:heart:

Destee

Thanks!

Hetep!

Would like to inquire about how the board feels about someone who practices homosexuality and refers to themself as conscious or afrocentric. I know a brother who is a homosexual, however has knowledge and is definitely living in line with the Ancestors and has a very African mind. Is this possible?? How do the board members feel about this?? Is he genuine or a fraud?? I know certain people such as Dr. York see nothing wrong with homosexuality but what is the larger concensus?? Does sexual orientation matter in regards to liberation, both spiritually and physically?? Please let me know what you think, im perplexed and dont want to befriend black tesheru or sebau unaware.

Hetep!

What a shame that the 'underdog' would come to adopt the same prejudices and intolerance towards others that was shown to him by his 'oppressor'.

Peace to all the African-centered gay men and women.:)

Hetep!

Would like to inquire about how the board feels about someone who practices homosexuality and refers to themself as conscious or afrocentric. I know a brother who is a homosexual, however has knowledge and is definitely living in line with the Ancestors and has a very African mind. Is this possible?? How do the board members feel about this?? Is he genuine or a fraud?? I know certain people such as Dr. York see nothing wrong with homosexuality but what is the larger concensus?? Does sexual orientation matter in regards to liberation, both spiritually and physically?? Please let me know what you think, im perplexed and dont want to befriend black tesheru or sebau unaware.

Hetep!

People have the right to practice freely whatever the choose. GOD loves all of her children.

Let me be clear again on my position. I in no way support those who practice ritualistic acts of power and seek to enslave minds that should be free, however, the fact of the matter is that some are naturally homosexual, and have just as much of a right to have peace, freedom and justice, as well as breathe GOD'a conciousness as anyone else.

Making people ashamed of who they are is a direct cause of hate, rage and anger.

Let us not come from oppression and be oppressors, or one can not call themself free from slavery.

If someone else's lifestyle truly makes a person so enraged then perhaps they should look at the reasons for their own feelings.

Much peace, love, honor and respect to all my homosexual sisters and brothers.

ok, i guess this is an old topic, and i skimmed through a lot of what has been said (i only read about five pages) so i don't know if anyone on this forum is a homosexual or not.

i am a lesbian, as being attracted to someone of the same sex; and i consider myself to be conscious and pro-black. I feel that what I do in my own bed room and who I have a relationship with is my own business. I know a lot of people may feel that I am less that human, not human, or don't deserve to live because of who I am, but how is that new? There are plenty of white racist who don't want me to live and feel as though I am not human because I am black. But how would they know? They are not black are they. so there you go.

:em2300: I second that.