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Clyde Coger

11-21-2008, 11:27 AM

What is the Origin of Racism

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Progress Report

The Origin of Racism Group held it’s 6th meeting, November 20th, 2008. The GroupThink(GT) meeting was promptly called at 10:00 AM Eastern and concluded at 11:00 AM Eastern.

In attendance for GT were brown_hOrnet and Clyde C. Coger, Jr., also attending was Da Street Soja. Street’s participation was largely to observed, along with oldiesman, and sister remby.

The idea of a quorum of three(3)as the minimum needed for Consensus was established for fluidity of purpose toward the ultimate goal of the Project.

The following issues/items, submitted by brown_hOrnet, were brought up for discussion and needs Consensus:

1. WE SHOULD MAKE CLEAR WHAT WE ARE SOLVING

2. IS THE NAME, WHAT IS THE ORIGIN OF RACISM, THE PROPER NAME?

Succinct Discussion on Item/issue #! (make clear what we are solving):

brown: if we are going to try to build a system to liberate us from racism, then I think that we could be on the right track. If we are clear on what exactly we are doing, I think that a lot more people would be on board. But I think that a lot of people are under the assumption that we are trying to figure out what the origin of racism is, and I think we all pretty much know what it is, so not too many people are responding.

Clyde: I agree. Clarity of purpose is a must. Again, you are correct in that we all understand the effects of racism, it is our goal to dissect its origin and prepare to offset the effects through a published document. As such, our coming together, in mass, is not the requirement to finish a publication, but to assemble from three to five serious like minded Destee.com family members to accomplish said goal, and that has been achieved. Group Think now consists of A007, Keita, Zulile, brown_hOrnet, Clyde C. Coger, Jr, and Writspirit.

Conclusion: This item #1 is put to GT for consensus on clarity of purpose. Are we building a system, so to speak with the publication to liberate our people from racism?

(All GT members submit your agreement, disagreement, or position on this single item before our next scheduled meeting, preferably by posting a reply to the thread)(quoting is not needed)

Succinct Discussion on item #2 (should we keep our current name):

brown: Yes, I read the plan. And I understand the focus, which I believe is to liberate us. I just feel that the name, “what is the origin of racism,” is not the correct name. Maybe something like “Black Liberation” or something like that. I just don’t feel that our current name will catch on, because I feel that we know the answer.

I think this focus is a beautiful thing . A book, and E-Book, and a newsletter to keep everyone focused and in contact.

Clyde: Understood, as far as identifying our in-house group, the current name serves it’s purpose, and is now cemented within our forum. The title of the published material, of course is a different thing to which I agree with the point you have made, it must catch on.

Conclusion: This item #2 is put to GT for consensus on maintaining our in-house name. Should we change our current in-house name, is it too early to begin selecting the name of the published material?

(All GT members submit your agreement, disagreement, or position on this single item before our next scheduled meeting, preferably by posting a reply to the thread)

The following GT members, A007, Writspirit, Keita and Zulile are expected to provide input to the above, before our next meeting on November 27th, 2008 @ 10:00AM Central. If done properly by posted replies to this thread, we should be able to reach consensus, if not, these items will be the subject of that meeting, or our next agreed upon scheduled meeting.

New/Next Item/Issue for consideration of GT members, as provided by brown_hOrnet, is as follows:

WHAT IS THE ORIGIN OF RACISM?

(Please, GT members, begin thinking on this item only, but no posts until we have reached Consensus on the above two(2) issues)

brown_h0rnet

11-22-2008, 04:26 AM

This is good Clyde. I would especially like to get A007's opinion on this, because he is the thread starter.

Preciate This.

Clyde Coger

11-22-2008, 09:41 AM

This is good Clyde. I would especially like to get A007's opinion on this, because he is the thread starter.

Preciate This.

brown, thanks so much for your response, its really appreciated. And yes, I have conversed with A007 to submit input. More than anything, I certainly can appreciate that you see the necessity for his take, if you will, because he is the fire-plug, so to speak, which started it all! Witout knowing his core beliefs, I, couldn't move forward with a degree of integrity, and I now know you feel the same :).

We should have his position whether or not we have his attendance on the mic. Thanks again My Friend and My Brother!

brown_h0rnet

11-26-2008, 02:47 AM

Ok, we are still waiting on A007, Writspirit, Keita and Zulile for some type of response on the aforementioned issues

Are we looking to "find and define the origin of racism" so to speak, as the Group think name would suggest, in order to come with a solution? Or are we just going to try to address the nine (now 10 + health) issues of people activity and liberate ourselves in spite of racism?

Is it too early for a name change? Should we be thinking about a better name that will catch on better so to speak? If so, what would be some suggestions? We can discuss these things at the next meeting.

Please respond, and let us know sum-um. or... sump'n as Destee would say.

Clyde Coger

11-29-2008, 09:27 PM

Progress Report

The Origin of Racism Group held it’s 7th meeting, November 27th, 2008. The Group Think(GT) meeting was promptly called at 10:00 AM Eastern and concluded at 11:00 AM Eastern, the day of Thanksgiving Holiday.

In attendance for GT were brown_hOrnet, Clyde C. Coger, Jr., and A007 by telephone, explained absences, and made a stern commitment to resolve cp problems, and with due diligence make future meetings.

All outstanding items were placed in abeyance pending quorum consensus, largely at the failure of absentee members to provide input. Changes in the member structure of Group Think reflects Sister Zulile to leave GT and begin work on the Destee.comNewsletter, full-time. This marks a major achievement toward one of the three goals of the project. Central theme of the first edition will be a re-cap of 2008, the kick-off target date is January 2009.

The following New/Next Item/Issue for consideration of GT members, as provided by brown_hOrnet, was discussed as follows:

WHAT IS THE ORIGIN OF RACISM?

Succinct Discussion on New/Next Item:

brown: Well first off, what is racism? I think most of us know what it is, but we have been tricked into not knowing what it is!

At one point in time (before all of this foolishness occured) Ancient Egypt (kemet) was the Holy Land. It was known by EVERYONE around as "The Land of the Gods"(as G.M. James explains). This included the Romans, The Greeks, The Persians etc.. etc.. They perceived us as "Gods". So what happened? We were overrun by the barbarians. Most notably Alexander the Great, who conquered Kemet and then proceeded to steal all of the current knowledge there and claim it for his own. This is what allowed for the current view of Greeks as the founders of modern civilization.

Now this "view" of Greeks being the founders of civilization and Africans contributing nothing to society was very important. Because it caused PREJUDICE! Right now, we live in a system of prejudice. When you go to school, you basically learn (in short) that the White man is God and that "we" are dumb negroes, who's origin was of slavery. This is why a lot of white people subconsciously or consciously feel that they are superior. You probably would too if you were white. The only way you wouldn't be would be if you were deprogrammed. But we are talking about PREJUDICE! Most white people are NOT racist. Most people period are not racist. They are PREJUDICE. Some, are prejudice to the point of killing their own, which is in many cases based on self-hatred. Racism is when you hate somebody JUST BECAUSE OF THEIR RACE! Anyone can be racist, but I don't feel it is in our nature be that way. Prejudice has always been around. As long as Everybody doesn't know Everything, there will be prejudice to certain degrees.

What is the strongest element of racism. Why of course, when white people defined racism as... "the assumption that one's own race is superior to all others. It may follow from this that one's own race therefore has, among other things, the right to control (and, when deemed necessary, enslave and even exterminate) people of races that are taken to be inferior or undesirable."

This definition is SUPER HOT GARBAGE. OF COURSE that is what THEY say it is. Racism is not the assumption that one's race is superior to others!!!! Remember, Ancient Kemet was known as "The Land of the Gods" So why did they go in and attack, rape, and then steal our knowledge and claim it was theirs, BECAUSE THEY THOUGHT THEY WERE SUPERIOR TO GODS? Of course not. They were jealous.

Racism REALLY is "the assumption that one's own race is INFERIOR to all others. It may follow from this that one's own race therefore has, among other things, the NEED to control (and, when deemed necessary, enslave and even exterminate) people of races that are taken to be superior or undesirable, otherwise, they will be outshined, outproduced and cease to exist."

One of our biggest problems is that we FELL for THEIR definition and reasoning for their own behavior. So now you got black folks who believe, "Well, if we just educate them and other races about who we are, then they will stop oppressing us" There is no larger fallacy than this. And it also (in my opinion) gives us an inferiority complex, because we are constantly trying to prove ourselves to white people.

Clyde: I agree, there was certainly a time when color was not an issue, and if so it had to do with people of color having the superior role, if you will, and non-black people on the lower end or having the so-called, inferior position. This becomes the foundational thesis upon which we will build the publication. Starting with Alexander the Great, and the periods before and after his rule are significant periods to begin the discussion on the question: what is the origin of racism.

Conclusion: Continue discussion, reach a consensus and forward material to editor for publishing.

The following GT members, A007, Writspirit, and Keita are expected to provide input to the above, before our next meeting on December 3rd, 2008 @ 10:00AM Central. If done properly by posted replies to this thread, we should be able to reach consensus, if not, these items will be the subject of that meeting, or our next agreed upon scheduled meeting.

brown_h0rnet

12-02-2008, 01:22 AM

As discussed in the last meeting, there are some things going forward in the publication (or ebook or what have you), that need not hit the table, because they are irreconcilable and will only divide us at this time.

#1. Obama
The opinion of Obama literally ranges from Christ to Anti-Christ. To sit around and Discuss Obama in a good or bad light for whatever reason will only kick up red flags. As I have said before, we can address the matrix of white supremacy directly (which is what we need to be doing anyway) without mention of the current president (in a book/e-book that is).

#2. Meat Eaters vs Vegetarians
This is another one that I see argued to no end.

#3. Religion/Religious Texts/Beliefs etc etc..
This issue is the greatest divider of all timez! The second any of these things (like the Bible for example) hit the table, an automatic 15 year argument will immediately ensue.

We are no where near coming to a consensus on ANYTHING as it relates to this, so when we come together to get this BEAST up off of our backs, these things have to be put on the back burner.

My opinion is that we need to address religion from the perspective of how it divides us, because THIS is truly the area of activity that is being controlled. Whitey sits back and plans the next fake terrorist attack, while Black folk sit around arguing about Hebrews.
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With all of this being said, it's not that I don't want to address the 3 issues above at all. Just not in the initial publication. We can talk about all of these things in a debate form in our online newsletter.

For Example. Maybe every month we can have a section in the newsletter called That's Debatable.(or somethin like that) With the subject being something like, "Did the Egyptians worship many gods, or To eat meat or not to eat meat"

People on both sides can put together there short argument and it can be put in the newsletter with a corresponding thread on Destee.com. So everyone who reads the newsletter that is not a destee.com member (if they have an opinion on the subject) can go to destee.com to join and comment and share their opinion. So we can debate all day, yet stay unified towards one common cause. It will also bring in more members.

These are just ideas though, that we can talk about.

NOW

I will wait for some type of feedback on this issues. If someone feels that there are OTHER issues that should not hit the table, ... OR... if you object to any of the current 3 issues that I brought up, please respond and say why?

A007

12-05-2008, 07:01 AM

Clyde Coger

12-07-2008, 03:23 PM

First let me say that I am back up and running. I am still having a problem with hearing things, so I guess I have to buy a new sound card. I will do that probably this coming week.

Second, I APLOGIZE perfusely for my abscense. There has been a shake up at my place of employment that prevented me from doing much of what I had planned in my life. It is resolved and I am back on track. I will now be apart of Group Think EVERYDAY.

I Thank Clyde with all of my heart for keeping the process moving forward. We do indeed have a window of opportunity to do something special. Clyde has remained diligent and steadfast. These are definate requirements of leadership and it is clear that we have them in Clyde.

I will reply to those threads (individually) that I have been asked to and some of which I have not. Give me until the end of the day Saturday and all of them should be addressed. Thanks for keeping hope alive.

Asking for Forgiveness
A007
a.k.a Andre'

A007,

Thank you so much for such a humble apology. It speaks loudly at the integrity and character you possess. This situation that we are in, concerning your in and out attendance, speaks directly to the significance of the project, and the important obligation it carries.

I gave fair warning that neither would it be easy nor would it be without obstacles. Our focus involves making a difference for our people, and certain forces will make that road difficult. So, keeping the forward press, we will get there.

We love you Brother, and my Friend, and we are pulling, praying, and patiently waiting for breakthrough...........Peace!

Jahari Kavi

12-10-2008, 08:05 PM

#1. Obama
The opinion of Obama literally ranges from Christ to Anti-Christ. To sit around and Discuss Obama in a good or bad light for whatever reason will only kick up red flags. As I have said before, we can address the matrix of white supremacy directly (which is what we need to be doing anyway) without mention of the current president (in a book/e-book that is).

#2. Meat Eaters vs Vegetarians
This is another one that I see argued to no end.

#3. Religion/Religious Texts/Beliefs etc etc..
This issue is the greatest divider of all timez! The second any of these things (like the Bible for example) hit the table, an automatic 15 year argument will immediately ensue.

Topic # 1: I like the idea of addressing the corrupt political system in itself, because people tend to get mad when you expose the person who they voted for. I think it's important that we look at the broad area of global politics and how they impact each and everyone of our lives. I remember an obama thread recently, where one member sincerely asked, how certain policies impacted his life directly?

I'll add more thoughts later

brown_h0rnet

12-11-2008, 12:18 PM

Topic # 1: I like the idea of addressing the corrupt political system in itself, because people tend to get mad when you expose the person who they voted for. I think it's important that we look at the broad area of global politics and how they impact each and everyone of our lives. I remember an obama thread recently, where one member sincerely asked, how certain policies impacted his life directly?

I'll add more thoughts later

Jahari, thanks and you make a good point. I think I vaguely remember that Obama thread you are talking about, where people were talking about Obama's affiliation with some "shadowy overlord" groups, and a person asked the question of how do these groups really affect our everyday lives anyway.

I do think that in the future, whether it is in a newsletter or, whether it is in some published material, we need to break down from TOP (Illuminati) to Bottom (hood), how these NWO groups and what they do affect our people's everyday life locally to globally.

We also need to break down how Pseudo-politics (left wing, right wing, conservative, liberal, repub, democ., etc) has a smaller effect.

That way we can truly address the illusion of G.W.S. without mentioning any politicians name, because like I have said, that is a touchy subject.

So, I'm glad that you brought that point up. We will have to put that on the back burner and keep that in mind to definately address in the future.

Right now, the focus is to come to a consensus on the issues that have been brought up in posts #21 (http://destee.com/forums/showpost.php?p=556164&postcount=21), Post #25 (http://destee.com/forums/showpost.php?p=557987&postcount=25) and Post #26 (http://destee.com/forums/showpost.php?p=558591&postcount=26).

As we discussed today in our meeting, once we get them settled, we will move really really fast. So, I see that we have 3 in agreement to leaving the Obama issue off the table.

Jahari Kavi

12-13-2008, 04:49 PM

Succinct Discussion on Item/issue #! (make clear what we are solving):

brown: if we are going to try to build a system to liberate us from racism, then I think that we could be on the right track. If we are clear on what exactly we are doing, I think that a lot more people would be on board. But I think that a lot of people are under the assumption that we are trying to figure out what the origin of racism is, and I think we all pretty much know what it is, so not too many people are responding.

Clyde: I agree. Clarity of purpose is a must. Again, you are correct in that we all understand the effects of racism, it is our goal to dissect its origin and prepare to offset the effects through a published document. As such, our coming together, in mass, is not the requirement to finish a publication, but to assemble from three to five serious like minded Destee.com family members to accomplish said goal, and that has been achieved. Group Think now consists of A007, Keita, Zulile, brown_hOrnet, Clyde C. Coger, Jr, and Writspirit.

Conclusion: This item #1 is put to GT for consensus on clarity of purpose. Are we building a system, so to speak with the publication to liberate our people from racism?

Good Ideas. When we speak of liberation from the many forms of racism, what kind of liberation are we talking about? Economic independence, mental liberation, etc.? I've always felt that the mental liberation is the first step in the process, do you'll agree?

Succinct Discussion on item #2 (should we keep our current name):

brown: Yes, I read the plan. And I understand the focus, which I believe is to liberate us. I just feel that the name, “what is the origin of racism,” is not the correct name. Maybe something like “Black Liberation” or something like that. I just don’t feel that our current name will catch on, because I feel that we know the answer.

I think this focus is a beautiful thing . A book, and E-Book, and a newsletter to keep everyone focused and in contact.

Clyde: Understood, as far as identifying our in-house group, the current name serves it’s purpose, and is now cemented within our forum. The title of the published material, of course is a different thing to which I agree with the point you have made, it must catch on.

Conclusion: This item #2 is put to GT for consensus on maintaining our in-house name. Should we change our current in-house name, is it too early to begin selecting the name of the published material?

(All GT members submit your agreement, disagreement, or position on this single item before our next scheduled meeting, preferably by posting a reply to the thread)

yeah the "origin of racism" kind of through me off as well. The term black liberation seems to scare certain people....even black folks. It shouldn't, but it does. Who will be the target audience of this publication? If it's Destee members, then I think black liberation is just fine. Sadly when one uses the term black liberation a lot of black folks roll their eyes. If this publication is to reach out to those brothers and sisters as well, what should we do as far as "labeling" the goal that we seek to accomplish?

WHAT IS THE ORIGIN OF RACISM?

Succinct Discussion on New/Next Item:

brown: Well first off, what is racism? I think most of us know what it is, but we have been tricked into not knowing what it is!

At one point in time (before all of this foolishness occured) Ancient Egypt (kemet) was the Holy Land. It was known by EVERYONE around as "The Land of the Gods"(as G.M. James explains). This included the Romans, The Greeks, The Persians etc.. etc.. They perceived us as "Gods". So what happened? We were overrun by the barbarians. Most notably Alexander the Great, who conquered Kemet and then proceeded to steal all of the current knowledge there and claim it for his own. This is what allowed for the current view of Greeks as the founders of modern civilization.

Now this "view" of Greeks being the founders of civilization and Africans contributing nothing to society was very important. Because it caused PREJUDICE! Right now, we live in a system of prejudice. When you go to school, you basically learn (in short) that the White man is God and that "we" are dumb negroes, who's origin was of slavery. This is why a lot of white people subconsciously or consciously feel that they are superior. You probably would too if you were white. The only way you wouldn't be would be if you were deprogrammed. But we are talking about PREJUDICE! Most white people are NOT racist. Most people period are not racist. They are PREJUDICE. Some, are prejudice to the point of killing their own, which is in many cases based on self-hatred. Racism is when you hate somebody JUST BECAUSE OF THEIR RACE! Anyone can be racist, but I don't feel it is in our nature be that way. Prejudice has always been around. As long as Everybody doesn't know Everything, there will be prejudice to certain degrees.

What is the strongest element of racism. Why of course, when white people defined racism as... "the assumption that one's own race is superior to all others. It may follow from this that one's own race therefore has, among other things, the right to control (and, when deemed necessary, enslave and even exterminate) people of races that are taken to be inferior or undesirable."

This definition is SUPER HOT GARBAGE. OF COURSE that is what THEY say it is. Racism is not the assumption that one's race is superior to others!!!! Remember, Ancient Kemet was known as "The Land of the Gods" So why did they go in and attack, rape, and then steal our knowledge and claim it was theirs, BECAUSE THEY THOUGHT THEY WERE SUPERIOR TO GODS? Of course not. They were jealous.

Racism REALLY is "the assumption that one's own race is INFERIOR to all others. It may follow from this that one's own race therefore has, among other things, the NEED to control (and, when deemed necessary, enslave and even exterminate) people of races that are taken to be superior or undesirable, otherwise, they will be outshined, outproduced and cease to exist."

One of our biggest problems is that we FELL for THEIR definition and reasoning for their own behavior. So now you got black folks who believe, "Well, if we just educate them and other races about who we are, then they will stop oppressing us" There is no larger fallacy than this. And it also (in my opinion) gives us an inferiority complex, because we are constantly trying to prove ourselves to white people.

Clyde: I agree, there was certainly a time when color was not an issue, and if so it had to do with people of color having the superior role, if you will, and non-black people on the lower end or having the so-called, inferior position. This becomes the foundational thesis upon which we will build the publication. Starting with Alexander the Great, and the periods before and after his rule are significant periods to begin the discussion on the question: what is the origin of racism.

Conclusion: Continue discussion, reach a consensus and forward material to editor for publishing.

I think the nature vs. nurture argument on racism is one that is definitely worth discussing. To be honest I don't know where I stand on the issue as of right now. I know we can't pin point the actual origins of racism, but history has shown us a particular group of people who have used it more often to their advantage and to disadvantage of others.

I think going into specific details about the Greeks is important as well, seeing how many topics can be covered (colonialism, philosophy, religious influence, etc.) just by speaking of the invasions. I think it would be good to talk about the Arab slave trade as well, and the similarities in differences between the Arab and Greek conquests.

As discussed in the last meeting, there are some things going forward in the publication (or ebook or what have you), that need not hit the table, because they are irreconcilable and will only divide us at this time.

#1. Obama
The opinion of Obama literally ranges from Christ to Anti-Christ. To sit around and Discuss Obama in a good or bad light for whatever reason will only kick up red flags. As I have said before, we can address the matrix of white supremacy directly (which is what we need to be doing anyway) without mention of the current president (in a book/e-book that is).

#2. Meat Eaters vs Vegetarians
This is another one that I see argued to no end.

#3. Religion/Religious Texts/Beliefs etc etc..
This issue is the greatest divider of all timez! The second any of these things (like the Bible for example) hit the table, an automatic 15 year argument will immediately ensue.

We are no where near coming to a consensus on ANYTHING as it relates to this, so when we come together to get this BEAST up off of our backs, these things have to be put on the back burner.

My opinion is that we need to address religion from the perspective of how it divides us, because THIS is truly the area of activity that is being controlled. Whitey sits back and plans the next fake terrorist attack, while Black folk sit around arguing about Hebrews.
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I agree, especially with the point on religion. At the end of the day if a person's spiritual beliefs are making them a better brother or sister mentally, spiritually, and physically, then is it really worth sitting up and telling them what is wrong with their beliefs? I think we could address issues of racism within religion, but I agree that we should stay away from denouncing anyone's beliefs.

Clyde Coger

12-13-2008, 07:17 PM

Brother Jahar Kavi,

Your input is duly recognized and incorporation into Group Thinks's consensus process. Again, thanks for your serious involvement. As I prepare updates of each meeting, look for the effect that your particular input has on the issues.

We are fast approaching reaching consensus on these very same items you have comment on, and what you have submitted counts toward the final group consensus, which leads to the published material.

brown_h0rnet

12-14-2008, 02:34 AM

Good Ideas. When we speak of liberation from the many forms of racism, what kind of liberation are we talking about? Economic independence, mental liberation, etc.? I've always felt that the mental liberation is the first step in the process, do you'll agree?

Yes, I do agree that mentality comes first.

When we speak of liberation, we are basically talking about the 9 areas of people activity as outlined in the ISIS Papers (Economics, Education, Entertainment, Labor, Law, Politics, Religion, Sex, War) + Health.
So we are talking about everything.

yeah the "origin of racism" kind of through me off as well. The term black liberation seems to scare certain people....even black folks. It shouldn't, but it does. Who will be the target audience of this publication? If it's Destee members, then I think black liberation is just fine. Sadly when one uses the term black liberation a lot of black folks roll their eyes. If this publication is to reach out to those brothers and sisters as well, what should we do as far as "labeling" the goal that we seek to accomplish?

Good input. The name originally threw me off as well. As far as the name, we will use IF we decide to change it, I think we will have to brainstorm on it.

Do you have any suggestions?

The name Black Liberation was one that I at first just threw out there just to move us in the direction of helping our people, instead of solving where racism originated (though this issue is important). I think maybe something like "The Reconstruction of Black Civilization" which would be a play on words from Chancelor Williams book "Destruction of Black Civilization" But that is just another name I'm throwing out. The material (in my opinion) should be geared towards ANY Black person who wants to liberate themselves from this Beast.

I think the nature vs. nurture argument on racism is one that is definitely worth discussing. To be honest I don't know where I stand on the issue as of right now. I know we can't pin point the actual origins of racism, but history has shown us a particular group of people who have used it more often to their advantage and to disadvantage of others.

I think going into specific details about the Greeks is important as well, seeing how many topics can be covered (colonialism, philosophy, religious influence, etc.) just by speaking of the invasions. I think it would be good to talk about the Arab slave trade as well, and the similarities in differences between the Arab and Greek conquests.

Yes, I agree that it would be difficult to pinpoint the actual origin of racism (if we are talking about one race that hates another race because of jealousy etc. etc.), but the issue of Alexander the Great and his conquest was brought to the forefront because that was probably the beginning of the institution (so to speak) of Racism and Prejudice being brought into place.

The real reason why I brought it up was to dispell what I believe is the MYTH that racism is based on ignorance rather than knowledge. Because it is that myth that puts us in the wrong mind set of trying to prove ourselves to those who feel that they are superior, rather than doing what we gotta do regardless of what "they" think.

I agree, especially with the point on religion. At the end of the day if a person's spiritual beliefs are making them a better brother or sister mentally, spiritually, and physically, then is it really worth sitting up and telling them what is wrong with their beliefs? I think we could address issues of racism within religion, but I agree that we should stay away from denouncing anyone's beliefs.

It looks as if we are all in agreement on this particular issue.

Clyde Coger

12-14-2008, 10:00 AM

Great job Brothers :bowdown:brown and Jahari! This is the beauty of Group Think in action as I envisioned. When thread starter, A007, submits his perspectives on the issues, whether here are on the mic, shortly thereafter the first consensus of the group will be realized and framed.

Again, our current focus is to launch the Destee.comNewsletter while this process to continues to jell and brew..........Peace and Many Thanks for making this happen, sincerely!

Also, rather than interrupt this flow with the update, look for my report of the recent meeting on your Profiles Pages........Peace!

Jahari Kavi

12-14-2008, 01:48 PM

The real reason why I brought it up was to dispell what I believe is the MYTH that racism is based on ignorance rather than knowledge

word.

The name Black Liberation was one that I at first just threw out there just to move us in the direction of helping our people, instead of solving where racism originated (though this issue is important). I think maybe something like "The Reconstruction of Black Civilization" which would be a play on words from Chancelor Williams book "Destruction of Black Civilization" But that is just another name I'm throwing out. The material (in my opinion) should be geared towards ANY Black person who wants to liberate themselves from this Beast.

yeah this is something we should all take time and think about....the name that is....I don't have any ideas right now, but if something pops up I'll let you know.

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Great job Brothers brown and Jahari! This is the beauty of Group Think in action as I envisioned. When thread starter, A007, submits his perspectives on the issues, whether here are on the mic, shortly thereafter the first consensus of the group will be realized and framed.

Again, our current focus is to launch the Destee.comNewsletter while this process to continues to jell and brew..........Peace and Many Thanks for making this happen, sincerely!

Also, rather than interrupt this flow with the update, look for my report of the recent meeting on your Profiles Pages........Peace!

no doubt.....

A007

12-18-2008, 01:50 PM

phynxofkmt

12-18-2008, 02:07 PM

to be a part of this Think Tank, but before I submit my thoughts I need time to read through this thread and get caught up.

Clyde Coger

12-18-2008, 02:14 PM

Sorry that I couldn't make it this morning. I am starting to see EXACTLY what Clyde means by the enemy and trying to prevent this. But, he doesn't know who he deals with when messing with me. I will NEVER give up.

As for item #1 I believe that the origin of racism IS IGNORANCE! So, if this is not the consensus of the group, then we need to discuss this. As for the name we should all submit our ideas and get the group to vote on them.

As for item #2 Our focus should be to find the ORIGIN OF racism AND WORK TOWARDS ENDING THE MINDSET THAT CREATES IT. Until we do this, LIBERATION is impossible.

Let me know what yall think.

A007,

It's good to hear from you and to read you. The meeting went well this morning, and as we say, hang tough A007, hang tough!

What we need from you would be your position on ignorance, and why you feel so strongly about ignorance. And state your position on whether or not the name for the publication should be other than the name of the thread, as you so titled the thread.

We have had discussion on both items, which is reflected through the many notes and updates thus far, and you would do well to digest all that we have said before you submit your position. Understanding or incorporating our thoughts into your thoughts equals strengthing or weakening your initial position. It is this part of the process that forces the Consensus. Perhaps your well laid out thoughts will challenge us on our thoughts. Keep these things in mind as we approach true consensus(That is the Challenge for Group Think).

#1...Give us your detailed position on ignorance

#2...Give us your detailed position on changing the name of the publication

And, first chance you get, please welcome Brother Jahari Kavi to Group Think.....Clyde

Clyde Coger

12-18-2008, 02:26 PM

I would like...

to be a part of this Think Tank, but before I submit my thoughts I need time to read through this thread and get caught up.

And my Sister phynxofkmt,

We would love to have you. This is a godsend to have both you and A007 responding today in like fashion. brown_hOrnet and I have sought the female balance in the Group Think project since Zulile resigned to devote full-time responsibility to the Destee.comNewsletter.

And phynxofkmt, your approach to volunteer and catch up on the reading aspect of this project is admirable. Through PM's profile page notes, e-mails, etc...we can bring you up to speed(and answer questions), easily.

In fact, we rely heavily on profile notes, so begin to check for notes from me, thanks again.

Clyde Coger

12-19-2008, 07:59 AM

Progress Report

The Origin of Racism Group held it’s 10th meeting, December 18th, 2008. The Group Think (GT) meeting was promptly called at 10:00 AM Eastern and concluded at 10:45 AM Eastern. During the later end of the meeting, questions and answers were conducted by text messages between family member Knowledge Seed and Group Think members present and on the mic. Though unprecedented and against desired Group Think procedure, nonetheless, this good-faith effort attempted to arrest any drawbacks said member may have had.

In attendance and on the mic for GT were brown_hOrnet, and Clyde C. Coger, Jr. In the absence of a qualified quorum, the members in attendance agreed to suspend further issues so as not to inundate the catch up process for the third participant.

We conducted extensive discussion on the proposed newsletter. brown_hornet will get with Zulile and share further thoughts, as well as create a new thread in solicitation of creative designers to assist Meta Saience with graphics for the T-Shirt program. This new thread will also solicit all family members to get involved with taking Destee.com to a meaningful level on the Internet.

The Brotha Clyde thread will be change into a more appropriate title since its original purpose has been served, river or an Administrator can only do this. Based upon newcomer, Jahari Kavi’s input, a quorum of three exists on several outstanding issues/items, and will be framed into Consensus for the next schedule meeting. The discussion on the ignorance factor will continue in abeyance pending receipt of A007’s point of view.

The following New/Next Item/Issue for consideration of GT members, as agreed will be as follows:

1. Name of the publication
2. Table of Contents

Consensus on the above will set the groundwork toward creating the manuscript. All members are now being asked to apply careful thought during this bedrock phase and central purpose of the project. We will test the water, so to speak, at the next schedule meeting.

Outstanding Issues awaiting Consensus

Clarity of Purpose
In House name and/or publication title
Question: What is the Origin of Racism (continued discussion)
Issues that Divide us (Obama, Meat eaters vs. Vegetarians, Religion, etc.)

(The following GT members, A007 and Jahari Kavi are expected to provide input to the above outstanding issues, before our next meeting on December 25th, 2008 @ 9:00AM Central. If done properly by posted replies to this thread, we should be able to reach consensus, if not, these items will be the subject of that meeting, provided there is quorum in attendance). (Welcome new member, phynxofkmt. phynxofkmt, the lone sought after female, has completed the original thread I believe, and has received some directions from Clyde for a smooth transition into Group Think). (Keita has been moved from active to inactive pending his return).

(As thread starter, phynxofkmt’s thread: Overcoming Self Hate Part II, is now annexed to the Origin of Racism Forum. This move connects with the purpose of Group Think, and could become the next published material under Destee.com exclusive rights).

Group Think…. Will we meet Christmas Day?

Jahari Kavi

12-21-2008, 04:50 PM

Clarity of Purpose
In House name and/or publication title
Question: What is the Origin of Racism (continued discussion)
Issues that Divide us (Obama, Meat eaters vs. Vegetarians, Religion, etc.)

(The following GT members, A007 and Jahari Kavi are expected to provide input to the above outstanding issues, before our next meeting on December 25th, 2008 @ 10:00AM Central. If done properly by posted replies to this thread, we should be able to reach consensus, if not, these items will be the subject of that meeting, provided there is quorum in attendance). (Welcome new member, phynxofkmt. phynxofkmt, the lone sought after female, has completed the original thread I believe, and has received some directions from Clyde for a smooth transition into Group Think). (Keita has been moved from active to inactive pending his return).

(As thread starter, phynxofkmt’s thread: Overcoming Self Hate Part II, is now annexed to the Origin of Racism Forum. This move connects with the purpose of Group Think, and could become the next published material under Destee.com exclusive rights).

Group Think…. Will we meet Christmas Day?

Clarity of Purpose: Personally I think the purpose if fairly clear.

Publication Title: I'm still not sure, but I do know that acronyms are catchy. This is just an example, but B.A.M....."By An Means..."....that might still be too strong for some people, lol. Or DREAM. Dedication to Restoring and Empowering Africans Mentalities.

Origins of Racism: In the thread about origins of racism I remember mentioning that none of us actually knowing the exact time when racism began, but we all know who benefits from it the most. I think we can attack from a viewpoint of the origins of systematic racism, since that's what racism "really" is and how it works. Like brother Brown mentioned earlier the false definition of racism that was made up by the very same people who institutionalized racism is not what racism really is. I started getting into an argument with a white dude the other day about this and I could clearly see that he wasn't getting my point. Maybe we can even bridge connections from times in the past (from the slave trade, during slavery, post reconstruction, etc.) and now of how systematic racism is still here, but how it manifests itself in different ways. We can also look to see how Africans collectively combatted these racist structures. We can bring up the strengths and weaknesses of these movements, and also how systematic racism destroyed or weakened them.

Issues that Divide us (Obama, Meat eaters vs. Vegetarians, Religion, etc.) - While I do think we should try to avoid some of these topics, I do feel that it can be a good idea to have a civilized discussion about them from time to time. In order for it to not be bias we can ask for input on the subject matter from differing ideologies. For example "religion".....I know this board is filled with people of various religious backgrounds. We have Christians, Muslims, Gods and Earths, Ausar/Auset Society, etc. I see nothing wrong with any of them as long as they are African centered for African people. Maybe we could give everyone a chance to express their viewpoints about their political, religious or spiritual beliefs through an Afrocentric scope........For example my friend was telling me of some brothers and sisters organizing themselves in Iraq, because they were inspired by Obama.

Clyde Coger

12-21-2008, 06:58 PM

Clarity of Purpose: Personally I think the purpose if fairly clear.

Publication Title: I'm still not sure, but I do know that acronyms are catchy. This is just an example, but B.A.M....."By An Means..."....that might still be too strong for some people, lol. Or DREAM. Dedication to Restoring and Empowering Africans Mentalities[/COLOR](This is good I like it-Clyde).

Origins of Racism: In the thread about origins of racism I remember mentioning that none of us actually knowing the exact time when racism began, but we all know who benefits from it the most. [COLOR="red"]I think we can attack from a viewpoint of the origins of systematic racism, since that's what racism "really" is and how it works (Very Good-Clyde). Like brother Brown mentioned earlier the false definition of racism that was made up by the very same people who institutionalized racism is not what racism really is. I started getting into an argument with a white dude the other day about this and I could clearly see that he wasn't getting my point. Maybe we can even bridge connections from times in the past (from the slave trade, during slavery, post reconstruction, etc.) and now of how systematic racism is still here, but how it manifests itself in different ways. We can also look to see how Africans collectively combatted these racist structures (Excellent, also works toward the Table of Contents-Clyde). We can bring up the strengths and weaknesses of these movements, and also how systematic racism destroyed or weakened them.

Issues that Divide us (Obama, Meat eaters vs. Vegetarians, Religion, etc.) - While I do think we should try to avoid some of these topics, I do feel that it can be a good idea to have a civilized discussion about them from time to time. In order for it to not be bias we can ask for input on the subject matter from differing ideologies. For example "religion".....I know this board is filled with people of various religious backgrounds. We have Christians, Muslims, Gods and Earths, Ausar/Auset Society, etc. I see nothing wrong with any of them as long as they are African centered for African people. Maybe we could give everyone a chance to express their viewpoints about their political, religious or spiritual beliefs through an Afrocentric scope........For example my friend was telling me of some brothers and sisters organizing themselves in Iraq, because they were inspired by Obama. (Very Impressive, I agree on both-Clyde)

Jahari Kavi,

Thanks Jahari for your immediate input, the points you make are duly recorded and highlighted in Red Quotes, which you receive high accolades from me on. All submitted points are very impressive and nails down very valid points of view from and for our Black Community. All that you have submitted is excellent work Jahari.

Just one question, what it do for Xmas? Do we meet:)?

Jahari Kavi

12-22-2008, 03:13 PM

Well I know my fam's gonna probably want me to be with them, but I'm down for skippin out on em for a lil while, lol.

Clyde Coger

12-22-2008, 03:29 PM

Well I know my fam's gonna probably want me to be with them, but I'm down for skippin out on em for a lil while, lol.

Got Cha!:), actually since you don't have a mic you're okay Jahari, its for me and brother brown to decide on Xmas:). But I certainly like your attitide about things. If brown and I do decide to meet, and if you do steal away lol, you could always just come to Chat, to listen and do texting. But in no way are you expected or obligated, enjoy the season:)

Clyde Coger

12-26-2008, 02:25 PM

Progress Report

The Origin of Racism Group held it’s 10th meeting, December 25th, 2008. The Group Think (GT) meeting was promptly called at 10:00 AM Eastern and concluded at 10:45 AM Eastern. The later end of the meeting concluded telephonically between those in attendance.

In attendance and on the mic for GT was Clyde C. Coger, Jr. with brown_hornet through text messaging. In the absence of a qualified quorum, the members in attendance agreed to suspend further issues so as not to inundate the catch up process for the third participant.

Better understanding was reached concerning the Destee.comNewsletter, new Thread starting procedures, and more effective use of the Forum when soliciting. Overall, the meeting was productive and meaningful in setting forth expansive measures toward the desired goals.

The following remains status quo:

The following New/Next Item/Issue for consideration of GT members
Outstanding Issues awaiting Consensus

(The following GT members, A007, Jahari Kavi, and phynxofkmt are encouraged to provide input to the above outstanding issues, on or before our next meeting on January 1st, 2009 @ 9:00AM Central. Our first consensus, Clarity of Purpose, will be decided upon in that meeting).

brown_h0rnet

01-01-2009, 09:35 AM

brown_h0rnet

01-01-2009, 09:47 AM

[B]Issues that Divide us (Obama, Meat eaters vs. Vegetarians, Religion, etc.) - While I do think we should try to avoid some of these topics, I do feel that it can be a good idea to have a civilized discussion about them from time to time. In order for it to not be bias we can ask for input on the subject matter from differing ideologies. For example "religion".....I know this board is filled with people of various religious backgrounds. We have Christians, Muslims, Gods and Earths, Ausar/Auset Society, etc. I see nothing wrong with any of them as long as they are African centered for African people. Maybe we could give everyone a chance to express their viewpoints about their political, religious or spiritual beliefs through an Afrocentric scope........For example my friend was telling me of some brothers and sisters organizing themselves in Iraq, because they were inspired by Obama.

I agree Jahari, that everyone should be able to express their viewpoints on ALL of these issues. But I think that these viewpoints should be in the newsletter and it's corresponding threads. The forbidden subjects that we are to leave off of the table just apply to the publication.

These subjects are so controversial, that if a book was to be written, and certain viewpoints on religion and/or politics were expressed... then everyone who disagreed with them would put the book down and denounce it (even if ALL of them were allowed to be expressed). As far as the publication/book, I think that it should just be based on common ground that WE ALL can agree on.

Clyde Coger

01-04-2009, 01:14 PM

Progress Report

The Origin of Racism Group held it’s 11th meeting, January 01st, 2009. The Group Think (GT) meeting was promptly called at 10:00 AM Eastern and concluded at 10:45 AM Eastern. The later end of the meeting resulted in a question and answer period involving brother Qwamii. Qwamii has some web designer skills and is willing to offer the expertise. All questions were answered with a promised to provide links by brown and Clyde to brother Qwamii.

In attendance and on the mic for GT was brown_hornet and Clyde C. Coger, Jr. In the absence of a qualified quorum, the members in attendance agreed to suspend further issues so as not to inundate the catch up process for the third participant.

Solid understanding was reached concerning the Destee.comNewsletter. One of the major benefits will be site user navigation guide affording all participants the opportunity to take advantage of the many resources available. This portion alone should help generate a user-friendlier environment and may increase Premium Membership for those desiring overall maximum results. There was much discussion about the New Solicitation Threads added to the Forum, as well as the title change of the “Brotha Clyde” thread to: Group Think Progress Reports/Feedback. It was decided to bump the solicitation threads for maximum exposure to members. Our initial plan of posting consensus material into the thread: What is the Origin of Racism for editing will stand while remaining incognito with all sensitive material as GT decides. Overall, the meeting was productive and meaningful in setting forth expansive measures toward the desired goals.

The following remains status quo:

New/Next Item/Issue for consideration of GT members
Outstanding Issues awaiting Consensus

(The following GT members, A007, Jahari Kavi, and phynxofkmt are encouraged to provide input to the above outstanding issues, on or before our next meeting on January 8th, 2009 @ 9:00AM Central. Our forum: Origin of Racism Group now has eight (8) thread conducive to attain our goals and objectives, and all members and anyone interested should familiarize themselves with all (8) components. In view of a standing quorum of three (3), any member not submitting input on the Clarity of Purpose issue, that input will not be considered toward reaching the consensus.

Jahari Kavi

01-04-2009, 02:06 PM

i'm sorry I forgot where this thread was at......I will post thoughts in a lil bit.......

Clyde Coger

01-04-2009, 02:19 PM

i'm sorry I forgot where this thread was at......I will post thoughts in a lil bit.......

Jahari Kavi,

Not a problem Jahari, could be the heebie jeebies:). But seriously, we take notice that a guide of some sort is needed to help us better navigate around this huge mansion of ours, you are not alone in this regard, continued Peace between us Jahari. Also, we are bumping our solicitation threads for that for very same reason.

A007

01-06-2009, 11:49 AM

A007,

At this point, the group is closing in on the consensus that Racism is based on knowledge and not ignorance. Prejudice on the other hand is based on ignorance.

To follow up what Clyde said earlier, please respond to this thread and state your case as to why you believe that Racism originated with ignorance, so that we can have this discussion. Because if not, then we will have to conclude on the other side.

I believe Racism (and any other evil) is originated from ignorance because in EVERY case it requires the believer to NOT KNOW something OR believe SOMETHING TO BE TRUE WHEN IT IS NOT.

I do understand how many people could and would consider racism to be based on knowledge..."because the founders KNEW what they were doing." However, here are the problems with that.
1) The founders of Racism believed that enslaving a people based on the color of their skin and proceed to treat them as less than human was the BEST way to prosper....WE KNOW THIS TO BE UNTRUE...i.e. they were ignorant.
2) When the founders who created LIES and PROPAGANDA to advance racism died MOST of the TRUTHS died with them. It became such an indoctrination that LIES BECAME TRUTH to most. So, the system that was created and advanced on lies, now began to ring true to people who DIDN'T KNOW ANY BETTER. These attitudes remain today in the ignorant people of the south and many of the "old money" desendants. The fact is that THEY ACTUALLY BELIEVE THEY ARE RIGHT...this is classic IGNORANCE.
3) If it were ACTUALLY knowledge that racism came from, this would mean that it is FACT that racism SHOULD exist. Real knowledge is KNOWING something that is FACT. And, as we all KNOW there are no facts to support racism as a justafiable system.

brown_h0rnet

01-06-2009, 03:04 PM

A007,

Thank you for your input. Now... let me address what you are saying point by point.

I believe Racism (and any other evil) is originated from ignorance because in EVERY case it requires the believer to NOT KNOW something OR believe SOMETHING TO BE TRUE WHEN IT IS NOT.

I do understand how many people could and would consider racism to be based on knowledge..."because the founders KNEW what they were doing." However, here are the problems with that.

1) The founders of Racism believed that enslaving a people based on the color of their skin and proceed to treat them as less than human was the BEST way to prosper....WE KNOW THIS TO BE UNTRUE...i.e. they were ignorant.

The founders of Racism were correct when they thought that enslaving people would be the best way FOR THEM to prosper. Who is more prosperous (from a material standpoint) than so called White supremacist? Didn't slavery make this country rich? And if White people didn't enslave us and write us out of history as the founders of civilization, where would they be now? Better off?

Or... Are you saying that White people wanted to advance society as a whole, and they thought that the best way to do so was to enslave melanated people? So now that society is messed up, we NOW know that White people failed? So when White people attacked and brutalized Africa, they thought they were doing a righteous thing for the world? But they were ignorant?

2) When the founders who created LIES and PROPAGANDA to advance racism died MOST of the TRUTHS died with them. It became such an indoctrination that LIES BECAME TRUTH to most. So, the system that was created and advanced on lies, now began to ring true to people who DIDN'T KNOW ANY BETTER. These attitudes remain today in the ignorant people of the south and many of the "old money" desendants. The fact is that THEY ACTUALLY BELIEVE THEY ARE RIGHT...this is classic IGNORANCE.

If most of those truths died with them, then how do we know them now? The truth about "OUR" greatness never died. They were passed on from generation to generation (among so called White Supremacists) and even on to this day through secret societies like the Masonics, Skull & Bones, Cap & Gown, etc etc. And these secret societies (that run this joint), use this knowledge and sit around all day and analyze how to keep us enslaved mentally and physically (often using our strengths against us).

Like a stated before.. the Ignorance that you are talking about is PREJUDICE (to pre-judge). This is the category that most people are in. But those at the top KNOW exactly what they are doing. They also know how to keep everyone ignorant (pre-judice)!

3) If it were ACTUALLY knowledge that racism came from, this would mean that it is FACT that racism SHOULD exist. Real knowledge is KNOWING something that is FACT. And, as we all KNOW there are no facts to support racism as a justafiable system.

So if a man Kills his wife because he KNOWS for a FACT that she cheated on him, then that means that the homicide SHOULD have existed because it was based on knowledge? But if he killed her because he THOUGHT she cheated on him (but didn't have the facts) then it would be wrong?

Whether or not an action is based on knowledge or ignorance doesn't mean that it should or should not exist. Whether or not racism should exist is a whole different (positive - negative type) discussion.

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If in fact, Racism is based on ignorance, then what do you suggest as a solution? Should we take a bunch of John Henry Clark and Dr. Ben books to the Illuminati (consolidated White supremacists) for them to read? And when they read these books, will they then say, "OH... Yall really did build the pyramids! We didn't know this!" And then they will stop oppressing us because they are no longer ignorant? Or if we teach them that slavery isn't good for society as a whole, then they will stop?

Truth be told, the knowledge that our grandmaster teachers have taught us about how great we are, IS the reason why They (who can never be us) oppress us.

This goes along with the fact that if recessive gene people didn't oppress us, their race would cease to exist genetically (which is a fact). This FACT is another basis of their system of racism against us.

Hemmitt Explains the Difference Between Racism and Prejudice
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A007

01-07-2009, 10:11 AM

A007,

Thank you for your input. Now... let me address what you are saying point by point.

The founders of Racism were correct when they thought that enslaving people would be the best way FOR THEM to prosper. Who is more prosperous (from a material standpoint) than so called White supremacist? Didn't slavery make this country rich? And if White people didn't enslave us and write us out of history as the founders of civilization, where would they be now? Better off?

Or... Are you saying that White people wanted to advance society as a whole, and they thought that the best way to do so was to enslave melanated people? So now that society is messed up, we NOW know that White people failed? So when White people attacked and brutalized Africa, they thought they were doing a righteous thing for the world? But they were ignorant?

I am saying that WITHOUT A DOUBT this country would have been better off if they HAD NOT STOLEN us and enslaved us. The free labor that they stole has cost them immeasurable time, money, war, lives, heartbreak, despair and respect. This country COULD have been built WITHOUT slavery just and MANY others were. And had they been smart enough to build it without evil they would not have had to pay for or die in civil war. The southern economy would not have collapsed. The money it cost to fight the civil rights movement would not have been spent. I could go on but you get the picture. IT WAS A TERRIBLE MISTAKE TO ENSLAVE US!! Their IGNORANCE told them different!

If most of those truths died with them, then how do we know them now? The truth about "OUR" greatness never died. They were passed on from generation to generation (among so called White Supremacists) and even on to this day through secret societies like the Masonics, Skull & Bones, Cap & Gown, etc etc. And these secret societies (that run this joint), use this knowledge and sit around all day and analyze how to keep us enslaved mentally and physically (often using our strengths against us).

Like a stated before.. the Ignorance that you are talking about is PREJUDICE (to pre-judge). This is the category that most people are in. But those at the top KNOW exactly what they are doing. They also know how to keep everyone ignorant (pre-judice)!

When I say the truths died with them, I am referring to the KNOWLEDGE that racism is WRONG. Most people seem to believe that because they KNOW how to perpetuate the system that they KNOW it to be wrong. This is a TERRIBLE assumption. It is no different than the brainwashing of any religion. The people who believe it BELIEVE IT WITH ALL OF THE SOUL. The people who practice racism now either BELIEVE IT TO BE THE CORRECT COURSE OF ACTION WITH ALL OF THEIR SOUL....OR....HAVE NO IDEA THAT THEY ARE EVEN RACIST.

One can know this when we take the time to study that WHITES ARE NOT THE FIRST TO IMPLEMENT SUCH A SYSTEM, that it goes on in almost all cultures, and the indoctrinated are dangerous because they DON'T KNOW THE TRUTH! Even when presented with facts they will deny them in order to hold on to what they have been brainwashed to believe.

So if a man Kills his wife because he KNOWS for a FACT that she cheated on him, then that means that the homicide SHOULD have existed because it was based on knowledge? But if he killed her because he THOUGHT she cheated on him (but didn't have the facts) then it would be wrong?

Whether or not an action is based on knowledge or ignorance doesn't mean that it should or should not exist. Whether or not racism should exist is a whole different (positive - negative type) discussion.

You missed the KEY word...JUSTIFIABLE. If that man kills his wife (even if it is fact that she cheated) it does not make what he did JUSTIFIABLE...hence he will probably go to jail...especially if he is black and not rich. Killing her was a MISTAKE based on the IGNORANCE of emotional decision making. RACISM CAN NOT BE JUSTIFIED IN ANY KNOWLEDGABLE PERSONS HEAD because it is wrong POINT BLANK...but there are PLENTY that don't BELIEVE IT to be wrong at all.

________________________________________

If in fact, Racism is based on ignorance, then what do you suggest as a solution? Should we take a bunch of John Henry Clark and Dr. Ben books to the Illuminati (consolidated White supremacists) for them to read? And when they read these books, will they then say, "OH... Yall really did build the pyramids! We didn't know this!" And then they will stop oppressing us because they are no longer ignorant? Or if we teach them that slavery isn't good for society as a whole, then they will stop?

Truth be told, the knowledge that our grandmaster teachers have taught us about how great we are, IS the reason why They (who can never be us) oppress us.

This goes along with the fact that if recessive gene people didn't oppress us, their race would cease to exist genetically (which is a fact). This FACT is another basis of their system of racism against us.

The solution is EDUCATION. Do I believe they will be openly receptive. NO! Do I believe it will be easy? NO! But yes we have to present our case that it is detrimental to society as a whole...BECAUSE IT IS! Yes we have to present the fact that the hatred they harbor for us is UNWARRANTED but more importantly is what is KILLING THEM with heart attacks and strokes...etc.

Case in point...every elementary school in America teaches that MILK is good for our children...when in fact it is TERRIBLE!! So, the person telling people that milk is not good for them is "crazy" until you present the evidence. Then there are STILL many people who will dismiss the evidence so they can continue to believe what they have been brainwashed to believe. HOWEVER, THERE ARE PLENTY THAT RECEIVE THE MESSAGE AND CHANGE WHAT THEY BELIEVE! Eventually, if enough people get the message out, the MAJORITY OF people will KNOW the truth about milk and act accordingly. I'm not sure how long it will take...but it is a step in the right direction. The same is true of RACISM!!

Clyde Coger

01-07-2009, 05:28 PM

Guys: A007 and brown_hornet,

We are not far from reaching consensus on this issue and here is why:

brown_hornet:

A007,

At this point, the group is closing in on the consensus that Racism is based on knowledge and not ignorance. Prejudice on the other hand is based on ignorance.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

A007:

The solution is EDUCATION. Do I believe they will be openly receptive. NO! Do I believe it will be easy? NO! But yes we have to present our case that it is detrimental to society as a whole...BECAUSE IT IS!

In my view, between the three terms, knowledge (education), ignorance and prejudice there is no polarity, which is to say, a separation of sorts into distinct categories. Rather, there is antithesis’s between the three terms, meaning, a kind of contrast, which is inseparable from the other. So, whether the basis is knowledge (education), ignorance or prejudice, all three conditions are the trappings of what we recognize as racism. And on that basis, the three or four of us seem to agree.

If knowledge equals education and ignorance equals a lack of education, if you will, then knowledge and ignorance are linked covertly, would you both agree?

Please consider the lecture of Dr. Claude Anderson, as it relates to racism below, and demonstrates yet another twist which defines racism and prejudice. In all honesty, Hemmitt and Anderson are actually not far apart at all on the matter, the same as the both of you not being far apart. Because the system of racism is now complete, it is extremely hard to label as such, which by the way, has nothing to do with achieving the goal of its eradication, would you both agree?

America is failing…. Dr. Claude Anderson
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dLGUBS32vOk

Remember guys, Group Think reaches consensus, not just back and forth dialogue. We must find all points of common interest, and settle the differences, this is the hard part, and it is not easy!

phynxofkmt

01-08-2009, 07:05 AM

I believe Racism (and any other evil) is originated from ignorance because in EVERY case it requires the believer to NOT KNOW something OR believe SOMETHING TO BE TRUE WHEN IT IS NOT.

I do understand how many people could and would consider racism to be based on knowledge..."because the founders KNEW what they were doing." However, here are the problems with that.
1) The founders of Racism believed that enslaving a people based on the color of their skin and proceed to treat them as less than human was the BEST way to prosper....WE KNOW THIS TO BE UNTRUE...i.e. they were ignorant.
2) When the founders who created LIES and PROPAGANDA to advance racism died MOST of the TRUTHS died with them. It became such an indoctrination that LIES BECAME TRUTH to most. So, the system that was created and advanced on lies, now began to ring true to people who DIDN'T KNOW ANY BETTER. These attitudes remain today in the ignorant people of the south and many of the "old money" desendants. The fact is that THEY ACTUALLY BELIEVE THEY ARE RIGHT...this is classic IGNORANCE.
3) If it were ACTUALLY knowledge that racism came from, this would mean that it is FACT that racism SHOULD exist. Real knowledge is KNOWING something that is FACT. And, as we all KNOW there are no facts to support racism as a justafiable system.

If I may present an alternate hypothesis, one that I have been long in considering. Racism may be a form of vengeance based on the initial rejection and deliberate attempt of Original Tribes to abandon and foresake those with leprosy and loss of pigmentation. Here is what I was told by high ranking members of the Mechanical lodge:
There were numerous exodus out of Africa, and that included those who were expunged for experimenting with their skin, and those who contracted the disease of leprosy or vitiligo. Vitiligo is actually a disease of the immune system.

These tribes left the Motherland and were "cut off", physically, mentally, and psychologically from their original state, and in effect, their parents.
(I believe that some of these tribes may have been physically trapped into the Germanic regions and are today known as the "Bog People", and will discuss this later)

Anyhow, the tribes that were ostracized found themselves weak, and dying. Their source of survival was to return to their homelands and rape their own families to produce offspring that could survive.

If we look again at the Maafa, in the context of genetic material, what we see is the planned theft and capture of the Original Tribe for his DNA.
I believe this was the true purpose behind the slave trade, and the TRUE reason for the continued enslavement of melanin rich people.

If you look carefully at the amount of disease, sickness and early death that the Caucasian is afflicted by, it is obvious that his condition of whiteness is burden. Unless melanin rich people can be coerced, manipulated, bought or seduced into sexual unions with them, their time on the clock is limited.

The whites study us because they are searching for a cure. They don't wish to ask us for it, they don't wish to buy and compensate the melanin rich peoples for their genetic material, because they carry the memory of being "cut off", and for this they are very, very angry - calcified to be exact.

For Caucasians, this planet is unpleasant. Either the sun is too hot, the winds too fierce or the weather to cold. white-ness requires artificial or unnatural means of adaptation.

Their genetic misery is their source of hate, and that will not change. In fact, it is a war that both sides are playing, some consciously, others are unaware. Everytime a mixed union takes place, there lies the potential to either return all genetic material back to black with the next offspring, thereby absorbing the whiteness; or to reverse the result in 3 generations and return to white.

Movies that remind me of this story are Star Trek Insurrection, The Dark Crystal

Clyde Coger

01-08-2009, 07:57 PM

Alternate Hypothesis

If I may present an alternate hypothesis, one that I have been long in considering. Racism may be a form of vengeance based on the initial rejection and deliberate attempt of Original Tribes to abandon and foresake those with leprosy and loss of pigmentation. Here is what I was told by high ranking members of the Mechanical lodge:
There were numerous exodus out of Africa, and that included those who were expunged for experimenting with their skin, and those who contracted the disease of leprosy or vitiligo. Vitiligo is actually a disease of the immune system.

These tribes left the Motherland and were "cut off", physically, mentally, and psychologically from their original state, and in effect, their parents.
(I believe that some of these tribes may have been physically trapped into the Germanic regions and are today known as the "Bog People", and will discuss this later)

Anyhow, the tribes that were ostracized found themselves weak, and dying. Their source of survival was to return to their homelands and rape their own families to produce offspring that could survive.

If we look again at the Maafa, in the context of genetic material, what we see is the planned theft and capture of the Original Tribe for his DNA.
I believe this was the true purpose behind the slave trade, and the TRUE reason for the continued enslavement of melanin rich people.

If you look carefully at the amount of disease, sickness and early death that the Caucasian is afflicted by, it is obvious that his condition of whiteness is burden. Unless melanin rich people can be coerced, manipulated, bought or seduced into sexual unions with them, their time on the clock is limited.

The whites study us because they are searching for a cure. They don't wish to ask us for it, they don't wish to buy and compensate the melanin rich peoples for their genetic material, because they carry the memory of being "cut off", and for this they are very, very angry - calcified to be exact.

For Caucasians, this planet is unpleasant. Either the sun is too hot, the winds too fierce or the weather to cold. white-ness requires artificial or unnatural means of adaptation.

Their genetic misery is their source of hate, and that will not change. In fact, it is a war that both sides are playing, some consciously, others are unaware. Everytime a mixed union takes place, there lies the potential to either return all genetic material back to black with the next offspring, thereby absorbing the whiteness; or to reverse the result in 3 generations and return to white.

Movies that remind me of this story are Star Trek Insurrection, The Dark Crystal

Sister phynxofkmt,

What you identify as a hypothesis is now supported scientifically, and certainly weighs heavily on the question: What is the Origin of Racism?

However, please consider that this discussion of A007, brown_hornet and myself that you have entered centers on post #46, please click and review this link: http://destee.com/forums/showpost.php?p=564247&postcount=46

Again, the quote of A007 that you have responded to is a past due and long awaited response of A007, detailing his position that Ignorance is the basis of Racism.

Since your reply addresses the Origin and not necessarily the question of Ignorance as a basis of Racism, I am asking that you re-submit your position on the issue of Ignorance or Knowledge as a basis of Racism. I am also asking Group Think members to consider your post as input to the question: What is the Origin of Racism?

At this point you need only to submit your understanding of whether Ignorance or Knowledge is the basis of Racism. If you have any questions please don’t hesitate to ask.

Clyde Coger

01-09-2009, 10:19 AM

Progress Report

The Origin of Racism Group held it’s 12th meeting, January 08th, 2009. The Group Think (GT) meeting was promptly called at 10:00 AM Eastern and concluded at 10:45 AM Eastern. The later end of the meeting resulted in a question and answer period involving brother shaka64. All questions were answered with a promise to provide links by brown and Clyde to brother shaka64.

In attendance and on the mic for GT was brown_hornet and Clyde C. Coger, Jr. In the absence of a qualified quorum, the members in attendance agreed to suspend further issues so as not to inundate the catch up process for the third participant.

Again, solid understanding was reached concerning the Destee.comNewsletter. It was decided to stop bumping the solicitation threads since the goal had been achieved through interest shown from the following, Qwamii, DymePlay2g, and ready2chat. It was decided that brown would create our ninth thread soliciting involvement from those interested with the Group Think project. It was decided to pass on to MetaSaience the names of those that will assist with graphic designing of T-Shirts (Tees), as well as Newsletter web design. A007’s recent input on the Ignorance issue was acknowledged to be in receipt for consideration, however, the consensus concerning Clarity of Purpose stands and will be moved to the intended thread for review and editing. Overall, the meeting was productive and meaningful in setting forth expansive measures toward the desired goals.

The following remains status quo:

The following New/Next Item/Issue for consideration of GT members, as agreed will be as follows:

1. Table of Contents

Outstanding Issues awaiting Consensus

Issues that Divide and Impede
Name/Title of the published work (Latest input below and in great form)
http://destee.com/forums/showpost.php?p=562617&postcount=41
Question: What is the Origin of Racism? (Latest input) http://destee.com/forums/showpost.php?p=565339&postcount=56

(All current standing members of GT are encouraged to provide input to the above outstanding issues, on or before our next meeting on January 15th, 2009 @ 9:00AM Central)

Ionlyspeaktruth

01-09-2009, 10:27 AM

Clyde Coger

01-09-2009, 10:41 AM

Clyde, I will be at

The next meeting. I was trading this week at the time. :)

Ionlyspeaktruth,

Brother, thanks for your interest and involvement. This road has been ruff, but there is light at the end of the tunnel..............Peace!

brown_h0rnet

01-09-2009, 05:06 PM

A007,

I apologize for the late response. We may be close to a resolution, but then we may be far away. I think that I am confused by some of what you are saying, so let me ask for some clarification on what is highlighted in blue.

Let me start off by stating some irrefutable facts.

#1. White or so called White (whateva) people are genetically recessive. If a white person decides to get freaky with a brown person, ... the baby will come out brown. Therefore... if a true level playing field was created, and we became the "melting pot" that America claims to be, then White people would cease to exist. They would be no more. So FOR THEM TO SURVIVE a system of oppression and separate classes etc etc.. MUST exist.

#2. At the time when Nubian people where building and maintaining great civilizations (that are much greater than this Beast we live in), White people were practicing savagery. And before they came and whooped our behinds, they were the least respected. Now, this condition has been reversed. So when you say...

I am saying that WITHOUT A DOUBT this country would have been better off if they HAD NOT STOLEN us and enslaved us. The free labor that they stole has cost them immeasurable time, money, war, lives, heartbreak, despair and respect.
It confuses me. Your statement doesn't seem historically accurate. No one is more respected than white people (they are regarded as the founders of civilization). No one has lost less lives than white people (if this is not true, white people wouldn't be here as they are less than 10 percent of the population. No one has endured less heartbreak and despair than white people. No one has more money than white people. And all of this is because of white people's conquest enslavement and colonization of Black people. Then you said...

This country COULD have been built WITHOUT slavery just and MANY others were. And had they been smart enough to build it without evil they would not have had to pay for or die in civil war. The southern economy would not have collapsed. The money it cost to fight the civil rights movement would not have been spent. I could go on but you get the picture. IT WAS A TERRIBLE MISTAKE TO ENSLAVE US!! Their IGNORANCE told them different!

First of all, the civil war and EVEN the southern economy collapsing wasn't because of the mistake of slavery. This was all about Dishonest Abe's (http://www.libertyforlife.com/constitution/politicians/dishonest_abe.htm) doing.

I could also go on about what you said, but let me ask you this. Considering the fact that if white people didn't enslave and oppress us, they would not exist... Are you saying that what you mentioned is worse than total annihilation? How did white people lose in this scenario if they went from worst to first?

When I say the truths died with them, I am referring to the KNOWLEDGE that racism is WRONG.

Again, No knowledge whatsoever died with the founders of racism. All of the knowledge they had was passed down. But let's pretend what you are saying is true.

If they KNEW racism was wrong, then why did they practice it?

And third, you say that they had the "KNOWLEDGE that racism is WRONG" So if they had that KNOWLEDGE, then why are you saying that it is based on ignorance?

The solution is EDUCATION. Do I believe they will be openly receptive. NO! Do I believe it will be easy? NO! But yes we have to present our case that it is detrimental to society as a whole...BECAUSE IT IS! Yes we have to present the fact that the hatred they harbor for us is UNWARRANTED but more importantly is what is KILLING THEM with heart attacks and strokes...etc.

Once again, I want to be clear on what you are saying.

Are you saying that...

White people were basically good people with good intentions for the world. So when they came out of the caves and saw the pyramids, they decided to do US, and the rest of the world a favor. They wanted the world to prosper, more than it already had.

So out of ignorance, they thought that the best way to do this was to Attack the melanated people. Kill them, torture them, rape them, colonize them, STEAL their knowledge, write them out of history and place THEMSELVES as the founders of knowledge and civilization.

But now, in 2009, we can look back and realize that Even though white people are the most prosperous people and Even though they would be dead had they not done what they did, they made a mistake by doing it.

So for us to solve this problem, we must go into the highways and byways and educate the masses that slavery is wrong (because they don't know) and once enough people catch on to this, that Racism will begin to fade away?

I just want to be clear on what you are saying. If you can help me with the areas that are highlighted in blue, then we can be on our way to a consensus.

brown_h0rnet

01-09-2009, 05:35 PM

Because the system of racism is now complete, it is extremely hard to label as such, which by the way, has nothing to do with achieving the goal of its eradication, would you both agree?

Yes, labeling exactly what racism is seems to be difficult. But the bottom line is, we all know who is Doin WRONG.

Labeling Racism is not the issue. Determining the underlining cause is essential. Why is the Knowledge vs Ignorance point important?

If you think that Racism comes from ignorance, then obviously the way to solve it, is to prove that you aren't inferior, and or prove that racism is wrong. In fact, the people who are oppressing you aren't even your enemy. They are doing it because they don't know any better.

If you think that Racism comes from knowledge, then obviously running around shouting, "We built the pyramids" won't help. Because the true racist (at the top) already know we did. So the solution is to empower oneself and create a system that will OVERRIDE the current system that is in place. And do it whether they like it or not!

These paths are as different as night and day. In my opinion, the reason why white people have so much power over us is because the white supremacist have created this MYTH that they (out of ignorance) think that they are superior to us.

So we are constantly trying to impress them. We can't even be validated unless we win THEIR awards, go to THEIR schools, live in THEIR neighborhoods. We are constantly runnin up behind Mista Charley tryin to convince him we are equal.

We are in essence trying to be equal with THE MOST BACKWARDS PEOPLE!
(http://destee.com/forums/showthread.php?t=57425&highlight=backwards+people)

The person who is trying to gain acceptance is always in a position of weakness.

Until we realize Who WE are and TA HELL wit what everyone else thinks, and stop waiting on Whitey to accept us, then we won't ever come out of this BEAST!

America is failing…. Dr. Claude Anderson [/B][/COLOR]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dLGUBS32vOk

I'm lovin Claude's lecture. I agree that he isn't far away from Hemmitt. Hemmitt is talking about what the basis for Racism is, when Claude is more or less giving a definition of it. I think they both agree on prejudice.

brown_h0rnet

01-09-2009, 05:41 PM

If I may present an alternate hypothesis, one that I have been long in considering. Racism may be a form of vengeance based on the initial rejection and deliberate attempt of Original Tribes to abandon and foresake those with leprosy and loss of pigmentation. Here is what I was told by high ranking members of the Mechanical lodge:
There were numerous exodus out of Africa, and that included those who were expunged for experimenting with their skin, and those who contracted the disease of leprosy or vitiligo. Vitiligo is actually a disease of the immune system.

These tribes left the Motherland and were "cut off", physically, mentally, and psychologically from their original state, and in effect, their parents.
(I believe that some of these tribes may have been physically trapped into the Germanic regions and are today known as the "Bog People", and will discuss this later)

Anyhow, the tribes that were ostracized found themselves weak, and dying. Their source of survival was to return to their homelands and rape their own families to produce offspring that could survive.

If we look again at the Maafa, in the context of genetic material, what we see is the planned theft and capture of the Original Tribe for his DNA.
I believe this was the true purpose behind the slave trade, and the TRUE reason for the continued enslavement of melanin rich people.

If you look carefully at the amount of disease, sickness and early death that the Caucasian is afflicted by, it is obvious that his condition of whiteness is burden. Unless melanin rich people can be coerced, manipulated, bought or seduced into sexual unions with them, their time on the clock is limited.

The whites study us because they are searching for a cure. They don't wish to ask us for it, they don't wish to buy and compensate the melanin rich peoples for their genetic material, because they carry the memory of being "cut off", and for this they are very, very angry - calcified to be exact.

For Caucasians, this planet is unpleasant. Either the sun is too hot, the winds too fierce or the weather to cold. white-ness requires artificial or unnatural means of adaptation.

Their genetic misery is their source of hate, and that will not change. In fact, it is a war that both sides are playing, some consciously, others are unaware. Everytime a mixed union takes place, there lies the potential to either return all genetic material back to black with the next offspring, thereby absorbing the whiteness; or to reverse the result in 3 generations and return to white.

Movies that remind me of this story are Star Trek Insurrection, The Dark Crystal

:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:
:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

I am very interested in further commentary on the "Bog People". Maybe a different thread. I am feeling what you are saying. Thanks for the input.

phynxofkmt

01-10-2009, 05:14 PM

Yes, labeling exactly what racism is seems to be difficult. But the bottom line is, we all know who is Doin WRONG.

Labeling Racism is not the issue. Determining the underlining cause is essential. Why is the Knowledge vs Ignorance point important?

If you think that Racism comes from ignorance, then obviously the way to solve it, is to prove that you aren't inferior, and or prove that racism is wrong. In fact, the people who are oppressing you aren't even your enemy. They are doing it because they don't know any better.

If you think that Racism comes from knowledge, then obviously running around shouting, "We built the pyramids" won't help. Because the true racist (at the top) already know we did. So the solution is to empower oneself and create a system that will OVERRIDE the current system that is in place. And do it whether they like it or not!

These paths are as different as night and day. In my opinion, the reason why white people have so much power over us is because the white supremacist have created this MYTH that they (out of ignorance) think that they are superior to us.

So we are constantly trying to impress them. We can't even be validated unless we win THEIR awards, go to THEIR schools, live in THEIR neighborhoods. We are constantly runnin up behind Mista Charley tryin to convince him we are equal.

We are in essence trying to be equal with THE MOST BACKWARDS PEOPLE!
(http://destee.com/forums/showthread.php?t=57425&highlight=backwards+people)

The person who is trying to gain acceptance is always in a position of weakness.

Until we realize Who WE are and TA HELL wit what everyone else thinks, and stop waiting on Whitey to accept us, then we won't ever come out of this BEAST!

I'm lovin Claude's lecture. I agree that he isn't far away from Hemmitt. Hemmitt is talking about what the basis for Racism is, when Claude is more or less giving a definition of it. I think they both agree on prejudice.

Thank you Brown hornet for your reply to my post. As requested by brother Clyde, I would like to bring all of this together under the debate of knowledge or ignorance. I was reading the post Adam or Ape, and the link provided by brother Excel is integral in this forum. I have long been an opponent of the evolution theory, because IT was the seed, or at least one of them that began RACISM. Darwin's theory of evolution is the basis for dividing up Blacks as well, because according to his theory, the Egyptians are not negroid since they don't fall into his category of Negroid stock. Even to this day, some dictionaries till define being Black / Negro based on certain facial features and hair textures, which is ridiculous to say the least. Ethiopians and Dravidians are examples of melanin rich people with features that could also be considered European. Forgive my spelling, I'm typing as fast as I can b4 the baby wakes :baby:

So, in terms of Knowledge or Ignorance, I'd say this is a good place to begin. I don't have time to read the whole Adam / Ape thread and I sensed it was going astray anyhow, but... in my humble opinion we have two theories to contend with that promote racism. Evolution and Creationism. The Creationist wants me to believe that a male god created a man in his image and a womban from his rib. Right here we have displaced the African womban from her rightful place as progenitor of the human race and in doing so fall as a nation. Remember that a nation can only rise as high as it's womben. So, Creationism certainly doesn't serve us either, but we don't want to fight people's religious beliefs right? Then let's focus on removing evolution and race from the formal institutions. Then we must insist on having history rectified in the curriculum so that the Greek philosophy is credited back to Africa (not just white egyptian fallacy). Will the school boards nationwide submit to pressure? Well, we would have to have a timeline, and a council of sorts to ensure nationwide program changes.

I was reading the posts here, and what I found interesting is our perceptions. I live in a predominately white neighborhood, and was raised in one. I am used to working, living and surviving around white people. I don't see them as being the most affluent or the most powerful. Not in the least bit. Many of them are not "cultured" regardless of their certification, many of them have difficulty problem solving without creating strife and conflict, and many of them are jealous of non-whites for how they perceive others as being able to rise up. Some whites do know the history of African achievements and for that reason want to suppress the truth to keep their power and status. Then there are the middle class who went to the same schools I did and came away with knowing absolutely nothing about anyone else but themselves and feel content in that mental isolation.

I was recently contacted on facebook by some old classmates. They remember me vividly from my days as debate and speech (I kicked butt!).
One of them now resides in a small town in Ontario and I commented that I had considered moving there until I discovered it is 99% white. Well within a few conversations, the old classmate revealed his obvious racial prejudice, yet cannot seem to see it for himself. I guess the point is that we cannot hope to change those that are already part of the problem. What we can aim for is the generations to come, to make changes so that these children don't fall into programming based on their skin color.

I suggest we use scientific theory to promote the educational changes. If we remove the concept of race altogether than we at least have a better playing board to make our next move.

Clyde Coger

01-22-2009, 07:36 PM

Clyde Coger

01-22-2009, 07:52 PM

Knowledge or ignorance

Thank you Brown hornet for your reply to my post. As requested by brother Clyde, I would like to bring all of this together under the debate of knowledge or ignorance. I was reading the post Adam or Ape, and the link provided by brother Excel is integral in this forum. I have long been an opponent of the evolution theory, because IT was the seed, or at least one of them that began RACISM. Darwin's theory of evolution is the basis for dividing up Blacks as well, because according to his theory, the Egyptians are not negroid since they don't fall into his category of Negroid stock. Even to this day, some dictionaries till define being Black / Negro based on certain facial features and hair textures, which is ridiculous to say the least. Ethiopians and Dravidians are examples of melanin rich people with features that could also be considered European. Forgive my spelling, I'm typing as fast as I can b4 the baby wakes :baby:

So, in terms of Knowledge or Ignorance, I'd say this is a good place to begin. I don't have time to read the whole Adam / Ape thread and I sensed it was going astray anyhow, but... in my humble opinion we have two theories to contend with that promote racism. Evolution and Creationism. The Creationist wants me to believe that a male god created a man in his image and a womban from his rib. Right here we have displaced the African womban from her rightful place as progenitor of the human race and in doing so fall as a nation. Remember that a nation can only rise as high as it's womben. So, Creationism certainly doesn't serve us either, but we don't want to fight people's religious beliefs right? Then let's focus on removing evolution and race from the formal institutions. Then we must insist on having history rectified in the curriculum so that the Greek philosophy is credited back to Africa (not just white egyptian fallacy). Will the school boards nationwide submit to pressure? Well, we would have to have a timeline, and a council of sorts to ensure nationwide program changes.

I was reading the posts here, and what I found interesting is our perceptions. I live in a predominately white neighborhood, and was raised in one. I am used to working, living and surviving around white people. I don't see them as being the most affluent or the most powerful. Not in the least bit. Many of them are not "cultured" regardless of their certification, many of them have difficulty problem solving without creating strife and conflict, and many of them are jealous of non-whites for how they perceive others as being able to rise up. Some whites do know the history of African achievements and for that reason want to suppress the truth to keep their power and status. Then there are the middle class who went to the same schools I did and came away with knowing absolutely nothing about anyone else but themselves and feel content in that mental isolation.

I was recently contacted on facebook by some old classmates. They remember me vividly from my days as debate and speech (I kicked butt!).
One of them now resides in a small town in Ontario and I commented that I had considered moving there until I discovered it is 99% white. Well within a few conversations, the old classmate revealed his obvious racial prejudice, yet cannot seem to see it for himself. I guess the point is that we cannot hope to change those that are already part of the problem. What we can aim for is the generations to come, to make changes so that these children don't fall into programming based on their skin color.

I suggest we use scientific theory to promote the educational changes. If we remove the concept of race altogether than we at least have a better playing board to make our next move.

Sister phynxofkmt,

Thank you for narrowing your focus to knowledge or ignorance with the compliment, this is a good place to begin. If I understand you correctly, since Evolution and Creationism are components of racism, you seem to be saying the system of formal education needs overhauling and needs to be replaced, and that through the advent of scientific data, which redefines from the old classification of races to genetic orientation, which should be our next or first move.

With that understanding, you are correct, in the sense that whites across the board should acknowledge scientific technology and DNA discoveries, as well as blacks. You have no argument from me in these regards except the use of timelines. I would prefer immediate adoption by all school boards without resistance:).

However, let me share this, as it relates to the Creationists view of God’s gender. To preface, this link contains a dialogue with one of Destee’s great young minds, brother nibs. In part, none can determine God’s sex but God: http://destee.com/forums/showpost.php?p=466442&postcount=555

Clyde Coger

01-22-2009, 08:34 PM

Progress Report

The Origin of Racism Group held it’s 13th meeting, January 22nd, 2009. The Group Think (GT) meeting was promptly called at 10:00 AM Eastern and concluded at 11: AM Eastern. In attendance and on the mic for GT were brown_hornet, Ionlyspeaktruth (Paul), and Clyde C. Coger, Jr. In view of the recent down time experienced by the Site, members decided to conduct an impromptu meeting. Also in attendance was Destee member 1999 (Mario).

Meaningful discussion took place on such topics as, internet pros and cons, the importance of preventing another site down, methods of connecting with one another if site down occurs again, and consideration toward writing one another, the old fashion way. Brother 1999 offered his help with free site hosting and whatever else Destee needs, and vows to contact Destee with the offer.

A directive coming out of this meeting is for all Group Think members to provide e-mail addresses, phone numbers, and any links by permanently posting them to this thread. The following members should only provide those phone numbers, e-mail addresses and links deemed appropriate:

Jahari Kavi
brown_hornet
phynxofkmt
Ionlyspeaktruth
Clyde C. Coger, Jr. (lurlenecoger@bellsouth.net …Ph. 662-781-4115)

Please post and record all information for future use

Zulile

01-22-2009, 09:22 PM

please be advised - by posting such information your details are apt to be picked up by automatic internet sweepers - thus a lifetime worth of spam. Do so at your own risk!

Ionlyspeaktruth

01-22-2009, 09:33 PM

Queen Zulile,:flirt::luvu: not trying to be funny an sh##, but I get so much spam this might actually decrease it!!:great::em2300::10500::10500: Ok We can now resume our programming. OK I'll do it for you Z :yesno::hammer:

phynxofkmt

01-22-2009, 09:44 PM

Sister phynxofkmt,

Thank you for narrowing your focus to knowledge or ignorance with the compliment, this is a good place to begin. If I understand you correctly, since Evolution and Creationism are components of racism, you seem to be saying the system of formal education needs overhauling and needs to be replaced, and that through the advent of scientific data, which redefines from the old classification of races to genetic orientation, which should be our next or first move.

With that understanding, you are correct, in the sense that whites across the board should acknowledge scientific technology and DNA discoveries, as well as blacks. You have no argument from me in these regards except the use of timelines. I would prefer immediate adoption by all school boards without resistance:).

However, let me share this, as it relates to the Creationists view of God’s gender. To preface, this link contains a dialogue with one of Destee’s great young minds, brother nibs. In part, none can determine God’s sex but God: http://destee.com/forums/showpost.php?p=466442&postcount=555

Dear Brothers,

First, allow me to apologize for not making our meetings. My internal clock is backwards and I'm trying to set it straight again - bear with me please....

I have been thinking ahead to when my son will be old enough to go to school. My heart sinks at the thought of what he will face. Yes, he may be involved with a school team and make friends and learn to socialize, but ultimately what will his attendance do for his mind?

The facilities exist, the institution for education is set up, and it ought to provide a form of knowledge and instruction on how to learn. But it does not do that - I can only speak of education in Canada first hand; what I have heard /read about the American schools seems even more despairing (sorry to say) . The curriculum is the first priority, because it is the
BELIEF SYSTEM THAT BECOMES ENTRENCHED INTO THE MIND, and these beliefs contribute directly to self-worth and self-value. In essence we hand over our children at the age of 5 or 6, for 6-8 hours / day until they are 17 years of age. The state has a hold of our minds and our mental development for at least 37,400 hours of our sensitive growing periods.

No wonder we feel like fighting a useless battle when our children are grown! Deprogramming all of those hours of indoctrination is far too much on the Nation to contend with; we must gain control of the institution's doctrines now before they are able to defeat another generation of latent genius.

I considered this with my child: even if I am able to afford private school, the curriculum will be similar in bias and discriminatory. If I home school him he is isolated from a social experience and that could have other unwanted affects on his success. But if I don't get out of this red neck province, he will go through the same racism that I did, only he will experience it as a boy becoming a man, and I cannot have that. Toronto received the provincial okay on a separate school for Black youth; the premise being the low graduation rates and other social factors. We should not have to be deprived in order to receive what we need and desire. Pushing for a Black school in Alberta causes many people to chuckle and shake their heads, the province doesn't have the same population of Black people as Ontario and we have the barrier of racism met with tolerance for racism.

With Barack Obama in office, he did mention improving education as one of the platform promises, so if a move is to be made, now is the time to push for it. He obviously won't support segregation and the integration movement of the 60's undermines the effort for separate schools. Therefore an overhaul of the curriculum as discussed previously would be the most subtle and yet powerful move on the chess board. IMHO...

Jahari Kavi

01-23-2009, 12:20 AM

first let me apologize for my absenteeism...I've gotten caught up with some things lately and school just started back for me

Yes, labeling exactly what racism is seems to be difficult. But the bottom line is, we all know who is Doin WRONG.
Labeling Racism is not the issue. Determining the underlining cause is essential. Why is the Knowledge vs Ignorance point important?

If you think that Racism comes from ignorance, then obviously the way to solve it, is to prove that you aren't inferior, and or prove that racism is wrong. In fact, the people who are oppressing you aren't even your enemy. They are doing it because they don't know any better.

If you think that Racism comes from knowledge, then obviously running around shouting, "We built the pyramids" won't help. Because the true racist (at the top) already know we did. So the solution is to empower oneself and create a system that will OVERRIDE the current system that is in place. And do it whether they like it or not!

These paths are as different as night and day. In my opinion, the reason why white people have so much power over us is because the white supremacist have created this MYTH that they (out of ignorance) think that they are superior to us.

So we are constantly trying to impress them. We can't even be validated unless we win THEIR awards, go to THEIR schools, live in THEIR neighborhoods. We are constantly runnin up behind Mista Charley tryin to convince him we are equal.

We are in essence trying to be equal with THE MOST BACKWARDS PEOPLE!

The person who is trying to gain acceptance is always in a position of weakness.

Until we realize Who WE are and TA HELL wit what everyone else thinks, and stop waiting on Whitey to accept us, then we won't ever come out of this BEAST!

I agree. I was actually having a discussion with some white guy the other day who was apart of an "anti-racism" group. I thought it was corny and asked him what he defined as "racism." Unfortunately he used Websters dictionary without realizing that, that is racist in itself. When dealing with models of european racism I think it's important to notice trends in their racist ideologies. This brings me to the video lecture of "yurugu."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bC9V2v2gMlg&feature=related

It has 18 parts, but I like how this intelligent sister broke european racist cognition down as a step by step process.

Clyde Coger

01-23-2009, 09:19 AM

LOL!

Queen Zulile,:flirt::luvu: not trying to be funny an sh##, but I get so much spam this might actually decrease it!!:great::em2300::10500::10500: Ok We can now resume our programming. OK I'll do it for you Z :yesno::hammer:

All standing Group Think members,

I will take a chance on the SPAM attack, as I don't think its that serious. But please record my personal information, if you have not already, and use it to send me your appropriate information as requested, so that in turn, everyone can be copied by e-mail.

Again my e-mail: (currently experiencing problems)

Phone: 662-781-4115

For Paul's letter:), my address: 8740 Cedar Lake Drive East...Walls, MS 38680-9447

A007

01-24-2009, 09:24 AM

A007,

I apologize for the late response. We may be close to a resolution, but then we may be far away. I think that I am confused by some of what you are saying, so let me ask for some clarification on what is highlighted in blue.

Let me start off by stating some irrefutable facts.

#1. White or so called White (whateva) people are genetically recessive. If a white person decides to get freaky with a brown person, ... the baby will come out brown. Therefore... if a true level playing field was created, and we became the "melting pot" that America claims to be, then White people would cease to exist. They would be no more. So FOR THEM TO SURVIVE a system of oppression and separate classes etc etc.. MUST exist.

#2. At the time when Nubian people where building and maintaining great civilizations (that are much greater than this Beast we live in), White people were practicing savagery. And before they came and whooped our behinds, they were the least respected. Now, this condition has been reversed. So when you say...

It confuses me. Your statement doesn't seem historically accurate. No one is more respected than white people (they are regarded as the founders of civilization). No one has lost less lives than white people (if this is not true, white people wouldn't be here as they are less than 10 percent of the population. No one has endured less heartbreak and despair than white people. No one has more money than white people. And all of this is because of white people's conquest enslavement and colonization of Black people. Then you said...

First of all, the civil war and EVEN the southern economy collapsing wasn't because of the mistake of slavery. This was all about Dishonest Abe's (http://www.libertyforlife.com/constitution/politicians/dishonest_abe.htm) doing.

I could also go on about what you said, but let me ask you this. Considering the fact that if white people didn't enslave and oppress us, they would not exist... Are you saying that what you mentioned is worse than total annihilation? How did white people lose in this scenario if they went from worst to first?

Again, No knowledge whatsoever died with the founders of racism. All of the knowledge they had was passed down. But let's pretend what you are saying is true.

If they KNEW racism was wrong, then why did they practice it?

And third, you say that they had the "KNOWLEDGE that racism is WRONG" So if they had that KNOWLEDGE, then why are you saying that it is based on ignorance?

Once again, I want to be clear on what you are saying.

Are you saying that...

White people were basically good people with good intentions for the world. So when they came out of the caves and saw the pyramids, they decided to do US, and the rest of the world a favor. They wanted the world to prosper, more than it already had.

So out of ignorance, they thought that the best way to do this was to Attack the melanated people. Kill them, torture them, rape them, colonize them, STEAL their knowledge, write them out of history and place THEMSELVES as the founders of knowledge and civilization.

But now, in 2009, we can look back and realize that Even though white people are the most prosperous people and Even though they would be dead had they not done what they did, they made a mistake by doing it.

So for us to solve this problem, we must go into the highways and byways and educate the masses that slavery is wrong (because they don't know) and once enough people catch on to this, that Racism will begin to fade away?

I just want to be clear on what you are saying. If you can help me with the areas that are highlighted in blue, then we can be on our way to a consensus.

That I can sum up the all of the answers to all of your questions and comments in a couple of paragraphs without answering individually because it will continue to take us in circles. I am sure this response to take us in a completely different direction...which is VERY necessary.

The answer to EVERYTHING that you are asking is: RACISM did not start with the TRANSATLANTIC SLAVE TRADE!!! It seems that you keep referring to the ORIGINS by bringing up what THEY have done to US....and in my haste to dispell what you were pointing out, I fell into the trap of trying to show you (and others) that ONLY ignorance can allow one group to enslave, degrade, torture, kill, and systematically destroy the psyche of another group of people. Because Racism is EVIL (diliberate delievery of harm to others) and ALL EVIL is based on ignorance (not knowing the TRUTH about something).

I say all of this to illustrate that SLAVERY was around 10,000 years ago. It involved us enslaving our own country-men because on war conquests. Even the Arab Slave trade was 500 years before the TransAtlantic Slave trade...and in the Arab Slave trade SLAVICS (caucasion) made up the largest portions of slaves. Whites were SLAVES loooong before they were MASTERS.

Everyone wants to point to the caucasion as the origin of racism...THEY ARE NOT. White people are NOT the ORIGIN of much at all...almost everything they take credit for they STOLE from another culture....they had NONE of their own. RACISM is no exception...THEY STOLE THE RACISM CONCEPT FROM WESTERN AFRICA (US) AND ARAB NATIONS!

Now, the question is WHAT WAS THE ORIGIN OF OUR RACISM? I do realize that it was more about tribes and class than color of skin, so don't come with that debate because it is of no consequence because the SAME EVIL is still there.

brown_h0rnet

01-26-2009, 04:24 AM

That I can sum up the all of the answers to all of your questions and comments in a couple of paragraphs without answering individually because it will continue to take us in circles. I am sure this response to take us in a completely different direction...which is VERY necessary.

The answer to EVERYTHING that you are asking is: RACISM did not start with the TRANSATLANTIC SLAVE TRADE!!! It seems that you keep referring to the ORIGINS by bringing up what THEY have done to US....and in my haste to dispell what you were pointing out, I fell into the trap of trying to show you (and others) that ONLY ignorance can allow one group to enslave, degrade, torture, kill, and systematically destroy the psyche of another group of people. Because Racism is EVIL (diliberate delievery of harm to others) and ALL EVIL is based on ignorance (not knowing the TRUTH about something).

I say all of this to illustrate that SLAVERY was around 10,000 years ago. It involved us enslaving our own country-men because on war conquests. Even the Arab Slave trade was 500 years before the TransAtlantic Slave trade...and in the Arab Slave trade SLAVICS (caucasion) made up the largest portions of slaves. Whites were SLAVES loooong before they were MASTERS.

Everyone wants to point to the caucasion as the origin of racism...THEY ARE NOT. White people are NOT the ORIGIN of much at all...almost everything they take credit for they STOLE from another culture....they had NONE of their own. RACISM is no exception...THEY STOLE THE RACISM CONCEPT FROM WESTERN AFRICA (US) AND ARAB NATIONS!

Now, the question is WHAT WAS THE ORIGIN OF OUR RACISM? I do realize that it was more about tribes and class than color of skin, so don't come with that debate because it is of no consequence because the SAME EVIL is still there.

A007,

It seems that you have gone off on a tangent.

While there are many definitions of Racism, the Root word of Racism is RACE. So if a person of one Race, enslaves a person of the same Race, it is not RACE-ISM... it is just slavery. So what you are talking about, is not relevant to the subject. We are talking about the Origins of RACE-ism, not the origin of slavery. This debate IS OF CONSEQUENCE because it is not the SAME EVIL.

Right now, we live under a matrix/system/illusion of White Supremacy. This is based on the illusion that White (melanin recessive) people are superior to all "others". What we are trying to do is come up with some solutions to free ourselves from this False Matrix. So What is the origin of This False Matrix? If you read my points you will see that I never pointed to the Transatlantic Slave trade as the origin of this. My reference point is Alexander the (so-called) Great and his conquest of Khemet. (which was well before even the arab slave trade you speak of)

Alexander and the Greeks invaded Khemet, plundered their libraries and stole their information. Then they established so called Greek philosophy (stolen Egyptian philosophy). This allowed Them to be fraudulently known as the founders of civilization. Before then, AFRICANS were known as the founders. Now the people who did this, as well as the people who continue to oppress us to this day, KNEW what they were doing, and to this day, they KNOW what they are doing. This is not the SAME EVIL as you say. This was the first time in history, that one race wrote another race out of history, and wrote themselves into it as the Gods (so to speak)

So since you say that they stole Racism from Africans and the Arabs... at what point Prior to these events I speak of (300's BC) do you see Africans ignorantly practicing oppresion on themselves BASED ON RACE? At what point to we see one African Tribe writing or even speaking another Tribe out of history, and placing themselves in it where the first African tribe was based on their ignorance?

Secondly, you made a statement to the effect that white people lost out by enslaving black people, because they lost lives and respect.

I asked this question.

If we know undeniably that White people would not be here if they didn't oppress us, and if we know undeniably that White people (though they may not be well liked) are viewed as the founders of civilization... then how did they lose by enslaving and oppressing us? But you didn't answer the question.

Why is this question important? Because if white people won out in this scenario, then obviously them oppressing us is working for them, and therefore it can't be considered ignorant and must be considered knowledgeble for them to do so. And it would be futile to try to educate them so they know that what they are doing is wrong.

Or...

Are you saying that...

White people were basically good people with good intentions for the world. So when they came out of the caves and saw the pyramids, they decided to do US, and the rest of the world a favor. They wanted the world to prosper, more than it already had.

So out of ignorance, they thought that the best way to do this was to Attack the melanated people. Kill them, torture them, rape them, colonize them, STEAL their knowledge, write them out of history and place THEMSELVES as the founders of knowledge and civilization.

But now, in 2009, we can look back and realize that Even though white people are the most prosperous people and Even though they would be dead had they not done what they did, they made a mistake by doing it.

So for us to solve this problem, we must go into the highways and byways and educate the masses that slavery is wrong (because they don't know) and once enough people catch on to this, that Racism will begin to fade away?

I just want to be clear on what you are saying. If you can help me with the areas that are highlighted in blue, then we can be on our way to a consensus.

A007

01-27-2009, 01:17 PM

A007,

It seems that you have gone off on a tangent.

While there are many definitions of Racism, the Root word of Racism is RACE. So if a person of one Race, enslaves a person of the same Race, it is not RACE-ISM... it is just slavery. So what you are talking about, is not relevant to the subject. We are talking about the Origins of RACE-ism, not the origin of slavery. This debate IS OF CONSEQUENCE because it is not the SAME EVIL.

This is the CENTER OF OUR DEBATE. Even though I DISAGREE this is not the SAME EVIL. I will not attempt to explain why because again IT IS NOT IMPORTANT....because ALL EVIL is caused by IGNORANCE. Racism being one of the Evils is just what we get sidetracked by. If ALL EVIL has as it ORIGIN the same problem (ignorance) then why distinguish between evils???? The origin of racism is IGNORANCE because the origin of ALL EVIL is ignorance. And since you have already stated that racism is evil...then we have our ANSWER!!

Right now, we live under a matrix/system/illusion of White Supremacy. This is based on the illusion that White (melanin recessive) people are superior to all "others". What we are trying to do is come up with some solutions to free ourselves from this False Matrix. So What is the origin of This False Matrix? If you read my points you will see that I never pointed to the Transatlantic Slave trade as the origin of this. My reference point is Alexander the (so-called) Great and his conquest of Khemet. (which was well before even the arab slave trade you speak of)

Alexander and the Greeks invaded Khemet, plundered their libraries and stole their information. Then they established so called Greek philosophy (stolen Egyptian philosophy). This allowed Them to be fraudulently known as the founders of civilization. Before then, AFRICANS were known as the founders. Now the people who did this, as well as the people who continue to oppress us to this day, KNEW what they were doing, and to this day, they KNOW what they are doing. This is not the SAME EVIL as you say. This was the first time in history, that one race wrote another race out of history, and wrote themselves into it as the Gods (so to speak)

So since you say that they stole Racism from Africans and the Arabs... at what point Prior to these events I speak of (300's BC) do you see Africans ignorantly practicing oppresion on themselves BASED ON RACE? At what point to we see one African Tribe writing or even speaking another Tribe out of history, and placing themselves in it where the first African tribe was based on their ignorance?

That may be all well and good...but Sumerarians wrote about their practice of slavery starting at 3000 BC. Kenyans and Ethiopians also had slavery around 3000 BC. It is all poison fruit from the same tree. You seem to want to focus on the fact that the evil doers are of a different race. Do you think that the system Rwanda had (very much like the one here) was better than the one here because they were of the same race? RACE WAS NOT AN ISSUE YET PEOPLE WERE STILL OPPRESED, MISTREATED, SYSTEMATICALLY SHUT OUT, and their HISTORY CHANGED ...so much so that they decided that death would be better...for either the oppressors or the oppressed. So how does your race arguement reconcile with that?

Secondly, you made a statement to the effect that white people lost out by enslaving black people, because they lost lives and respect.

I said it was ignorant because they lost those things and more...WHEN THEY DIDN'T HAVE TO. They could have made us PARTNERS in the building and the WORLD would be a much better place for THEM AND US!! Do you disagree?

I asked this question.

If we know undeniably that White people would not be here if they didn't oppress us, and if we know undeniably that White people (though they may not be well liked) are viewed as the founders of civilization... then how did they lose by enslaving and oppressing us? But you didn't answer the question.

If you mean here as USA...that is untrue...they would be here. If you mean here as in existence...that is untrue also.... they would be here. That statement is to say that we would have dominated them in to extinction. If that was the case...why didn't we do it in Asia, India, or South America places we were BEFORE caucasions?

Why is this question important? Because if white people won out in this scenario, then obviously them oppressing us is working for them, and therefore it can't be considered ignorant and must be considered knowledgeble for them to do so. And it would be futile to try to educate them so they know that what they are doing is wrong.

I never said that they didn't know what they were doing was wrong...what I alluded to is...that they DIDN'T KNOW THAT IT IS NOT THE BEST COURSE OF ACTION. Do you think it IS the best course of action for them????

Or...

Are you saying that...

White people were basically good people with good intentions for the world. So when they came out of the caves and saw the pyramids, they decided to do US, and the rest of the world a favor. They wanted the world to prosper, more than it already had.

So out of ignorance, they thought that the best way to do this was to Attack the melanated people. Kill them, torture them, rape them, colonize them, STEAL their knowledge, write them out of history and place THEMSELVES as the founders of knowledge and civilization.

I think you know I don't believe that...and if they wrote us out of history how do we know OUR history?

But now, in 2009, we can look back and realize that Even though white people are the most prosperous people and Even though they would be dead had they not done what they did, they made a mistake by doing it.

They would not be dead...lol. Why do you say that?

So for us to solve this problem, we must go into the highways and byways and educate the masses that slavery is wrong (because they don't know) and once enough people catch on to this, that Racism will begin to fade away?

We have to use the media to educate those whom are racist and don't even believe that they are!! We also have to use personal relationships to break destructive beliefs that are rooted in lies or propaganda.

If you think that white people who believe that most AA's are thieves, liars, pimps, unintelligent, lazy, and good for nothing are just PRETENDING to believe those things then you are BLIND. The ACTUALLY BELIEVE THOSE THINGS....you wouldn't consider that IGNORANCE???!!!

I just want to be clear on what you are saying. If you can help me with the areas that are highlighted in blue, then we can be on our way to a consensus.

Here is what I am saying in a nutshell....

THE ROOT OF ALL EVIL up to and including RACISM is IGNORANCE. This is not to say that the perpetuators of evil do not know WHAT they are doing. It is only to say that they do not KNOW THAT THERE IS A BETTER WAY!! Even if they have heard of a DIFFERENT way to achieve an end they DON'T BELIEVE that it is the BEST WAY.

There is a BETTER WAY and it is my contention that those who do not seek this way do not do so because they are MISINFORMED, MISLED, MISGUIDED, OR HAVE NEVER EVEN GIVEN AN ALTERNATIVE ANY THOUGHT....the very definition of IGNORANCE!

brown_h0rnet

01-27-2009, 05:01 PM

A007,

Thank you for answering my questions. Now, maybe we can move toward a consensus.

That may be all well and good...but Sumerarians wrote about their practice of slavery starting at 3000 BC. Kenyans and Ethiopians also had slavery around 3000 BC. It is all poison fruit from the same tree. You seem to want to focus on the fact that the evil doers are of a different race. Do you think that the system Rwanda had (very much like the one here) was better than the one here because they were of the same race? RACE WAS NOT AN ISSUE YET PEOPLE WERE STILL OPPRESED, MISTREATED, SYSTEMATICALLY SHUT OUT, and their HISTORY CHANGED ...so much so that they decided that death would be better...for either the oppressors or the oppressed. So how does your race arguement reconcile with that?

Of course not. I can't stress this enough. We are trying to liberate ourselves from this illusion of white supremacy. We are not trying to stop EVIL. You couldn't do that if you wanted to!! That is a tangent discussion. Am I focusing on the fact that evil doers are a different race? Of course I am. What is the name of this group? What is the origin of What? We are talking about RACIST White Supremacy... not Evil, not Slavery or Surfdome.

You see A007, you were the one who opened up the original thread. This thread was called What is the Origin of RACE-ISM (http://destee.com/forums/showthread.php?t=55806) and it led to this group think process. So now that we are deep into the discussion, you are actually now telling me that I am focusing to much on Racism?!

Now if you want to open a different thread about Evil and ignorance, then that is fine. If you don't think racism can be fought unless there is no ignorance whatsoever, and your objective is to educate the entire world to the point of no one being ignorant, then that is your mission. But if you do, consider that if when we as Black people were at our PEAK, we couldn't eradicate the ignorance you claim is responsible for our problems, then how can we now? Are we more knowledgeable than then past great civilizations? This will be a totally different thread.

What we are talking about now is RACE-ISM, the method by which one RACE, is suppressing and oppressing other RACES to keep its RACE in a position of supremacy. We have to stay on point with our group and our purpose or else we will never move along.

Now... let's discuss RACE-ism and whether IT is based on knowledge or ignorance.

I said it was ignorant because they lost those things and more...WHEN THEY DIDN'T HAVE TO. They could have made us PARTNERS in the building and the WORLD would be a much better place for THEM AND US!! Do you disagree?

Of course I disagree. You say Caucasions could have made us partners in the building? Nubians built great civilizations and empires before white people were even thought of. Then, they came an tore those civilizations down. So now you are saying that they were trying to build? ?? ?? ?? BUILD WHAT? A007, If you don't answer anything else, PLEASE answer that question!

If I wanted to build a house, then I would build a house.

I wouldn't INVADE YOUR HOUSE, kill rape and torture your family, enslave them and then turn around and tell everyone else that I was the one who built the house because out of ignorance, I THOUGHT THAT WOULD BE THE BEST THING FOR BOTH OF US!

This point is not logical. It is based on the idea that White people actually thought that the best way for whites and blacks to prosper were to oppress blacks. That is not ignorance. That is stupidity. And if the Rulers of this White Supremacist Matrix were that stupid, then they would not have been able to stay in control this long.

If someone steals a million dollars from me, I have 2 options. I can either make another million dollars, or steal my million dollars back. Trying to convince the robber that stealing my million dollars was not in my best interest (because after all, he is trying to help Him AND Me right?) would be foolish.

They weren't trying to build, they were trying to control! They didn't do what they thought was best for US and THEM. They did what the KNEW was best FOR THEM. Anyone can see this. So, this argument doesn't have any foundation.

Now, in your response to my summarizing that White people wouldn't be here if they didn't oppress us, you said a couple of things.

They would not be dead...lol. Why do you say that?

If you mean here as USA...that is untrue...they would be here. If you mean here as in existence...that is untrue also.... they would be here. That statement is to say that we would have dominated them in to extinction. If that was the case...why didn't we do it in Asia, India, or South America places we were BEFORE caucasions?

Ok, let me go over this again. Generally speaking, If a Brown person has sex with a White person, the baby will be brown. White people are the most genetically recessive. Black people are the most genetically dominant. Therefore, if you were to put Black and White, and everything else, into a true melting pot... Society would move towards being Black. And conversely the White Race (recessive to all others) would move towards extinction. Even to this day, the population of caucasions is dwindling. THIS IS GENETICS! Can you refute that? Can you say that White people are ignorant of this? So part of white supremacy is based on survival. And any person who is dying out, is not trying to survive based on ignorance!

Any place, including India, Asia or South America, were to be totally Multiculturized (for lack of a better word) where Darker skin people are integrated equally into that society, that society will move towards darker skin people. So if a society hasn't been dominated, then that simply means that Black people haven't been there in an integrated setting long enough for it to revert back to Black.

I never said that they didn't know what they were doing was wrong...what I alluded to is...that they DIDN'T KNOW THAT IT IS NOT THE BEST COURSE OF ACTION. Do you think it IS the best course of action for them????

Of course it was. Would you rather in a complete position of power at the top of the food chain (controlling the worlds wealth), and be known as Gods, who founded knowledge and civilization..

or..

would you rather be in a position of weakness, sitting on the sideline watching melanated people build pyramids while everyone knows that you are the last race to be here and had to be civilized by melanated people because you were practicing savagery?

It is a no brainer that White Supremacy benefits Whites. That's why they call it White supremacy!! It is the System by which Whites are Supreme! Being known as supreme is better than being known as inferior or even equal. This is obvious! Unless you can explain how that statement is wrong, then I don't see your argument standing.

I think you know I don't believe that...and if they wrote us out of history how do we know OUR history?

The truth is A007, WE DON'T KNOW OUR FULL STORY! Why do you think we sit up on Destee and argue about history so much? How much do you think White people argue about their history? We all know THEIR story. God was white, His son was white, the first humans were white, and the founders of knowledge and civilization were white. Black folk came in afterwards. How do we know their story? Because they wrote themselves in. We are still (to this very day) trying to peace back together our rich history that they have destroyed.

When I said, they wrote us out of history, I didn't mean it as literal as you seem to be taking it. Because if they wrote us all the way out, people would think we are aliens. I simply mean that those who are in control of "Massa" media, have propagated the myth that they are Gods and we are slaves. They didn't burn every single book. And our scholars like John Henry Clark, Dr. Ben etc etc.. have done a wonderful job of piecing things together through research(not to mention, there are a lot of indigenious tribes that have carried on ORAL TRADITION), but we still don't know ALL the answers.

We have to use the media to educate those whom are racist and don't even believe that they are!! We also have to use personal relationships to break destructive beliefs that are rooted in lies or propaganda.

If you think that white people who believe that most AA's are thieves, liars, pimps, unintelligent, lazy, and good for nothing are just PRETENDING to believe those things then you are BLIND. The ACTUALLY BELIEVE THOSE THINGS....you wouldn't consider that IGNORANCE???!!!

Ok,...

In order for us to come to a consensus, we have to keep up with everything that has gone on in the threads. I have already explained this, but I want to recap it again.

My point was and is, that Racism and Prejudice are two different things. Right now, you are not differentiating between the two. You are talking about prejudice. My point is that Racism is based on knowledge. Prejudice (which is pre-judging) is based on ignorance. When you are ignorant of something, you Pre-Judge it. EVERYONE is prejudice when it comes to things they don't know.

Before this illusion of so called White Supremacy was created, it was known that Black people were the founders of civilization, knowledge. Then came the freeks... oops, I mean the Greeks, who took the joint over, stole our knowledge and proceeded to claim it was theirs. They then wrote themselves into HIS-story as the originators. Those who did this had the KNOWLEDGE that this was false. They were Racist, based on their knowledge. No... they didn't think it was in everyones (including the Egyptians) best interest to do what they did.

Once the illusion was created, it was propagated to the masses over the years. At this point in time, the masses believe that THEY are the founders, and conversely, WE contributed nothing to society. They don't know any better! THEY ARE PRE-JUDGE DISS! They are not racist! As I have stated before, the vast majority of white people are NOT RACIST! But the rulers of this matrix KNOW what the original Greeks knew (because the secrets were passed down from generation to generation), that WE are the originators!

You are talking about people thinking that Africans are liars, lazy, unintelligent, theives etc etc.. and grouping them in with so called White Supremacist WHO KNOW BETTER as if they are the same. White Supremacist KNOW that THEY are the liars, pimps, theives etc etc.

So how can you educate THEM on what they already know? That's right... you can't. And what kind of personal relationship do you think that you are going to develop with The Rockefellers, The Rothschilds, The Morgans, and the Schiffs that will stop them from oppressing you? Any relationship that a Black person has with a White Supremacist, is either as an enemy or a House Negro. Having multiracial picnics is not going to get this BEAST up off of our backs! If they did, we would be free by now.

Here is what I am saying in a nutshell....

THE ROOT OF ALL EVIL up to and including RACISM is IGNORANCE. This is not to say that the perpetuators of evil do not know WHAT they are doing. It is only to say that they do not KNOW THAT THERE IS A BETTER WAY!! Even if they have heard of a DIFFERENT way to achieve an end they DON'T BELIEVE that it is the BEST WAY.

There is a BETTER WAY and it is my contention that those who do not seek this way do not do so because they are MISINFORMED, MISLED, MISGUIDED, OR HAVE NEVER EVEN GIVEN AN ALTERNATIVE ANY THOUGHT....the very definition of IGNORANCE!

Good and Evil have existed since the beginning of time. They both existed before there were people walking around on this planet who could even be ignorant! If there was no evil, how could you classify anything as being good. That is the Principle of Polarities. But that is a whole different story that we aren't talking about.

As far as racism is concerned, I think I have proven that it is ILLOGICAL to believe that those who are oppressing us are doing so because they don't know any better. Ignorance doesn't put you in the position of power. So if you can't explain how WHITE SUPREMACIST (not Us and Them), lost out and would be better off if they didn't take their course of action, then your points have no foundation, and we have to move on.

A007

01-28-2009, 11:03 AM

A007,

Thank you for answering my questions. Now, maybe we can move toward a consensus.

Of course not. I can't stress this enough. We are trying to liberate ourselves from this illusion of white supremacy. We are not trying to stop EVIL. You couldn't do that if you wanted to!! That is a tangent discussion. Am I focusing on the fact that evil doers are a different race? Of course I am. What is the name of this group? What is the origin of What? We are talking about RACIST White Supremacy... not Evil, not Slavery or Surfdome.

You see A007, you were the one who opened up the original thread. This thread was called What is the Origin of RACE-ISM (http://destee.com/forums/showthread.php?t=55806) and it led to this group think process. So now that we are deep into the discussion, you are actually now telling me that I am focusing to much on Racism?!

Now if you want to open a different thread about Evil and ignorance, then that is fine. If you don't think racism can be fought unless there is no ignorance whatsoever, and your objective is to educate the entire world to the point of no one being ignorant, then that is your mission. But if you do, consider that if when we as Black people were at our PEAK, we couldn't eradicate the ignorance you claim is responsible for our problems, then how can we now? Are we more knowledgeable than then past great civilizations? This will be a totally different thread.

What we are talking about now is RACE-ISM, the method by which one RACE, is suppressing and oppressing other RACES to keep its RACE in a position of supremacy. We have to stay on point with our group and our purpose or else we will never move along.

Now... let's discuss RACE-ism and whether IT is based on knowledge or ignorance.

Forgive me for cutting your post short but...the rest of it is irrelevent because my answer to this question is paramount to the discussion.

Yes I started the thread WHAT IS THE ORIGIN OF RACISM. But the focus is on the word is ORIGIN....NOT RACISM!! The ORIGIN of racism is the the ORIGIN of ALL EVIL. I think we agreed that racism is EVIL and that EVIL has IGNORANCE as its ORIGIN. So...the only decrepency that we have is...Do we start with battling EVIL or do we start with battling RACISM. Well the point of my original thread was...you CANNOT fight RACISM without fighting the ORIGIN OF EVIL ITSELF. If we could...IT WOULD BEEN DONE ALREADY. We would have succeeded in conquering racism if there was a different way. The problem is that if we START with trying to fight RACISM as a system and never address WHERE IT CAME FROM...it WILL NEVER BE DEFEATED!! It is like treating the SYMPTOM of a disease rather than the CAUSE, which is what we have been trying to do for the last 100 years and it is CLEAR that it does not work.

Now, please don't misunderstand me...I DO KNOW that the system of racism can be neutralized by the redistribution of wealth and power, because, after all, it is about ECONOMICS. I also know there are plenty of ways that we can affect change with a better command of ECONOMICS...but this is NOT WHAT WE ARE DISCUSSING. We are not discussing this because it would not curb racism at all...in fact it may cause more of it.

So, if we want to change the focus of the group to fighting racism through the acquisition and practaical use of money in order that we may change the distribution of wealth and power, then I am for that. BUT, if our focus is to find the ORIGIN of Racism and combat it through education and experience then we need to focus on the EVIL as its root and not the SYMPTOM of racism because it is just a part of a MUCH more deadly disease.

A007

01-28-2009, 12:14 PM

I will reply to a couple of these only for clarification sake.

A007,

Of course I disagree. You say Caucasions could have made us partners in the building? Nubians built great civilizations and empires before white people were even thought of. Then, they came an tore those civilizations down. So now you are saying that they were trying to build? ?? ?? ?? BUILD WHAT? A007, If you don't answer anything else, PLEASE answer that question!

I don't really understand the question because I was referring to AMERICA when I made the statement about building. It was in the context of the slave trade because you are talking about the SYSTEM THAT OPPRESSES US NOW. So, to answer that...they were trying to BUILD AMERICA INTO A PROPEROUS COUNTRY. Do you disagree that it would have been better for the ENTIRE WORLD if they had made us PARTNERS in the building of this land rather than SLAVES??!!

If I wanted to build a house, then I would build a house.

I wouldn't INVADE YOUR HOUSE, kill rape and torture your family, enslave them and then turn around and tell everyone else that I was the one who built the house because out of ignorance, I THOUGHT THAT WOULD BE THE BEST THING FOR BOTH OF US!

This point is not logical. It is based on the idea that White people actually thought that the best way for whites and blacks to prosper were to oppress blacks. That is not ignorance. That is stupidity. And if the Rulers of this White Supremacist Matrix were that stupid, then they would not have been able to stay in control this long.

If you are saying it was not IGNORANCE, then it seems that you AGREE that it was best for both them and us for them to oppress us. If you are saying that it was NOT the BEST thing for both them AND US...then it HAS TO BE IGNORANCE!! Stupidity is the INABILITY TO LEARN...we know they were not stupid.

If someone steals a million dollars from me, I have 2 options. I can either make another million dollars, or steal my million dollars back. Trying to convince the robber that stealing my million dollars was not in my best interest (because after all, he is trying to help Him AND Me right?) would be foolish.

Poor analogy.

They weren't trying to build, they were trying to control! They didn't do what they thought was best for US and THEM. They did what the KNEW was best FOR THEM. Anyone can see this. So, this argument doesn't have any foundation.

So you DO THINK IT WAS BEST FOR THEM???!!

[QUOTE=brown_h0rnet;566827]Now, in your response to my summarizing that White people wouldn't be here if they didn't oppress us, you said a couple of things.

Ok, let me go over this again. Generally speaking, If a Brown person has sex with a White person, the baby will be brown. White people are the most genetically recessive. Black people are the most genetically dominant. Therefore, if you were to put Black and White, and everything else, into a true melting pot... Society would move towards being Black. And conversely the White Race (recessive to all others) would move towards extinction. Even to this day, the population of caucasions is dwindling. THIS IS GENETICS! Can you refute that? Can you say that White people are ignorant of this? So part of white supremacy is based on survival. And any person who is dying out, is not trying to survive based on ignorance!

I know about the genetics of the races...i am well versed in it. The problems with arguement are twofold.

1) You make a poor assumption that it takes RACISM to perserve the white race. 1897BC Egyptian king Senwosret colonized Greece and we dominated greece for 2 generations and did not even make a DENT in caucasions. Don't get me wrong I do know that they would be much smaller in numbers HERE in the Americas...but EUROPE will be JUST FINE unless we were to conquer them and made it a point to assimalate them into extinction.
2) That those whom ARE NOT RACIST even care about the mixing of the races. For those whites who are married to other cultures it would seem that your arguement doesn't make sense.

Any place, including India, Asia or South America, were to be totally Multiculturized (for lack of a better word) where Darker skin people are integrated equally into that society, that society will move towards darker skin people. So if a society hasn't been dominated, then that simply means that Black people haven't been there in an integrated setting long enough for it to revert back to Black.

I agree!

Of course it was. Would you rather in a complete position of power at the top of the food chain (controlling the worlds wealth), and be known as Gods, who founded knowledge and civilization..

or..

would you rather be in a position of weakness, sitting on the sideline watching melanated people build pyramids while everyone knows that you are the last race to be here and had to be civilized by melanated people because you were practicing savagery?[/qutoe]

There is a middle ground in which the creator intended for all of humanity to exist in.

[QUOTE=brown_h0rnet;566827]The truth is A007, WE DON'T KNOW OUR FULL STORY! Why do you think we sit up on Destee and argue about history so much? How much do you think White people argue about their history? We all know THEIR story. God was white, His son was white, the first humans were white, and the founders of knowledge and civilization were white. Black folk came in afterwards. How do we know their story? Because they wrote themselves in. We are still (to this very day) trying to peace back together our rich history that they have destroyed.

Of the white people that I know personally (and I know a LOT of them) NONE OF THEM BELIEVE WHAT YOU JUST STATED!!

When I said, they wrote us out of history, I didn't mean it as literal as you seem to be taking it. Because if they wrote us all the way out, people would think we are aliens. I simply mean that those who are in control of "Massa" media, have propagated the myth that they are Gods and we are slaves. They didn't burn every single book. And our scholars like John Henry Clark, Dr. Ben etc etc.. have done a wonderful job of piecing things together through research(not to mention, there are a lot of indigenious tribes that have carried on ORAL TRADITION), but we still don't know ALL the answers.

OK.

Ok,...

In order for us to come to a consensus, we have to keep up with everything that has gone on in the threads. I have already explained this, but I want to recap it again.

My point was and is, that Racism and Prejudice are two different things. Right now, you are not differentiating between the two. You are talking about prejudice. My point is that Racism is based on knowledge. Prejudice (which is pre-judging) is based on ignorance. When you are ignorant of something, you Pre-Judge it. EVERYONE is prejudice when it comes to things they don't know.

I am not speaking prejudice...predjudice is only indirectly related to RACISM. You are prejudiced about some things, I am prejudiced about some things we all have prejudice. I am not speaking about that at all. Prejudice is NOT EVIL!

Before this illusion of so called White Supremacy was created, it was known that Black people were the founders of civilization, knowledge. Then came the freeks... oops, I mean the Greeks, who took the joint over, stole our knowledge and proceeded to claim it was theirs. They then wrote themselves into HIS-story as the originators. Those who did this had the KNOWLEDGE that this was false. They were Racist, based on their knowledge. No... they didn't think it was in everyones (including the Egyptians) best interest to do what they did.

Once the illusion was created, it was propagated to the masses over the years. At this point in time, the masses believe that THEY are the founders, and conversely, WE contributed nothing to society. They don't know any better! EXACTLY MY POINT!!!!!!! THEY DON'T KNOW BETTER (anymore)

THEY ARE PRE-JUDGE DISS! They are not racist! As I have stated before, the vast majority of white people are NOT RACIST! But the rulers of this matrix KNOW what the original Greeks knew (because the secrets were passed down from generation to generation), that WE are the originators!

You are talking about people thinking that Africans are liars, lazy, unintelligent, theives etc etc.. and grouping them in with so called White Supremacist WHO KNOW BETTER as if they are the same. White Supremacist KNOW that THEY are the liars, pimps, theives etc etc.

So how can you educate THEM on what they already know? That's right... you can't. And what kind of personal relationship do you think that you are going to develop with The Rockefellers, The Rothschilds, The Morgans, and the Schiffs that will stop them from oppressing you? Any relationship that a Black person has with a White Supremacist, is either as an enemy or a House Negro. Having multiracial picnics is not going to get this BEAST up off of our backs! If they did, we would be free by now.

Why do you assume they KNOW BETTER. I think you give them too much credit. People are afraid of things the DON'T KNOW!! Slave traders told white people THAT HAD NEVER SEEN US IN OUR NATURAL ENVIRONMENT AND DIDN'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT US horrible LIES about us (like us being cannibals) and because they DIDN'T KNOW ANY BETTER THEY BELIEVED THE LIES. Now you are saying they were smart enough to KNOW BETTER. Yeah right!!!

Good and Evil have existed since the beginning of time. They both existed before there were people walking around on this planet who could even be ignorant! If there was no evil, how could you classify anything as being good. That is the Principle of Polarities. But that is a whole different story that we aren't talking about.

Not true...good and evil ONLY EXIST IN HUMANS!

As far as racism is concerned, I think I have proven that it is ILLOGICAL to believe that those who are oppressing us are doing so because they don't know any better. Ignorance doesn't put you in the position of power. So if you can't explain how WHITE SUPREMACIST (not Us and Them), lost out and would be better off if they didn't take their course of action, then your points have no foundation, and we have to move on.

By your arguement, that ABSOLUTELY did the RIGHT THING because it was the best thing for them. (even though this is not true)...but.. the question is...SHOULD WE TO THE SAME THING because it would be best for us?

Clyde Coger

01-28-2009, 12:38 PM

A007,

I have tried desperately to get your attention, please review a note from me on your profile page. Is this back and forth never ending? Or can we come to consensus in order to move forward?

brown_h0rnet

01-28-2009, 12:58 PM

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Forgive me for cutting your post short but...the rest of it is irrelevent because my answer to this question is paramount to the discussion.

Yes I started the thread WHAT IS THE ORIGIN OF RACISM. But the focus is on the word is ORIGIN....NOT RACISM!! The ORIGIN of racism is the the ORIGIN of ALL EVIL. I think we agreed that racism is EVIL and that EVIL has IGNORANCE as its ORIGIN. So...the only decrepency that we have is...Do we start with battling EVIL or do we start with battling RACISM. Well the point of my original thread was...you CANNOT fight RACISM without fighting the ORIGIN OF EVIL ITSELF. If we could...IT WOULD BEEN DONE ALREADY. We would have succeeded in conquering racism if there was a different way. The problem is that if we START with trying to fight RACISM as a system and never address WHERE IT CAME FROM...it WILL NEVER BE DEFEATED!! It is like treating the SYMPTOM of a disease rather than the CAUSE, which is what we have been trying to do for the last 100 years and it is CLEAR that it does not work.

Now, please don't misunderstand me...I DO KNOW that the system of racism can be neutralized by the redistribution of wealth and power, because, after all, it is about ECONOMICS. I also know there are plenty of ways that we can affect change with a better command of ECONOMICS...but this is NOT WHAT WE ARE DISCUSSING. We are not discussing this because it would not curb racism at all...in fact it may cause more of it.

So, if we want to change the focus of the group to fighting racism through the acquisition and practaical use of money in order that we may change the distribution of wealth and power, then I am for that. BUT, if our focus is to find the ORIGIN of Racism and combat it through education and experience then we need to focus on the EVIL as its root and not the SYMPTOM of racism because it is just a part of a MUCH more deadly disease.

A007,

We have to keep on point with this groups focus. You asked a question what is the origin of Racism. The focus is on Origin AND Racism. Not just Origin. You claim that the origin of Racism is evil (which comes from ignorance), then why not just open a thread called What is the Origin of Evil? This is a tangent discussion and it is moving us away from the stated issue.

What is the Origin of Racism?

Origin (beginning of). Racism (keeping one's RACE above all other RACES).

The first time that we see an illusionary (that illusion being that the White race is superior to all other RACES) system being set up, was when the Greeks began to establish they they were the originators of civilization, and the founders of knowledge that they stole from us! Before then Khemet was known as "the land of the Gods". Before them, We were known as the ones who had it goin on. Therefore, this was the Origin(the beginning of), of this current system of RACE-ism (keeping one's RACE above all others). And THAT, was based on knowledge.

And as I clearly outlined, your idea that this RACE-ism was out of ignorance, because white people thought that they were doing the best thing for the world, is illogical. And my point was not refuted.

At no point did we agree that the origin of evil is ignorance!

Evil has been here since the beginning of time. It was here long before there were people here that could even be ignorant. Evil and Good are duel forces (as all forces come in pairs). This is a universal law (Principle of Polarity) taught by our ancestors. Without Evil, there would be no such thing as good (you can't have one without it being relative to the other)

So to say that ignorance started Evil is to violate universal laws. We are not trying to find and fight the Origin of Evil. Good and Evil will always be in battle with eachother. We are trying to win the battle (with respect to White Supremacy). We are not trying to make our enemies our friend by educating them (on what they already know). We are not trying to fight how the universe is structured.

So... if you want to go off and fight against what YOU believe is the Origin of Evil using education (which to me it is impossible to think we can eradicate ignorance, considering that we are not all knowing ourselves), then you can go ahead and do that. That is a tall task! A Noble thought, but not realistic.

That is a different thread. You could call that one, What is the Origin of Evil, and then you could open up a dialogue on how to stop Evil. But now, we are moving towards consensuses that Deal with us liberating ourselves from RACE-ISM!

A007

01-29-2009, 01:54 PM

A007,

I have tried desperately to get your attention, please review a note from me on your profile page. Is this back and forth never ending? Or can we come to consensus in order to move forward?

Sorry I didn't notice you trying to get my attention. I also apologize for missing the meeting this morning. I started doing my taxes and lost track of time. I really did plan to be there. So, can u do me a favor?? Can you call me one hour before we are to meet every week? You have my cell phone number. My home number is 901-435-6055. I will answer one or the other. This will ensure that I make it to all of the meetings that I am available for.

To answer your question. I am not sure if it will be never ending. There are two things that are for sure. 1) We HAVE TO agree on one "origin" for us to address it effectively. 2) Someone is going to have to change what they already believe. At this point it seems rather futile, but I remain optimistic.

We can not come to a consensus if we do not agree on basic principles. I am not sure what to do. I welcome any input that you have.

Clyde Coger

01-29-2009, 02:22 PM

Sorry I didn't notice you trying to get my attention. I also apologize for missing the meeting this morning. I started doing my taxes and lost track of time. I really did plan to be there. So, can u do me a favor?? Can you call me one hour before we are to meet every week? You have my cell phone number. My home number is 901-435-6055. I will answer one or the other. This will ensure that I make it to all of the meetings that I am available for.

To answer your question. I am not sure if it will be never ending. There are two things that are for sure. 1) We HAVE TO agree on one "origin" for us to address it effectively. 2) Someone is going to have to change what they already believe. At this point it seems rather futile, but I remain optimistic.

We can not come to a consensus if we do not agree on basic principles. I am not sure what to do. I welcome any input that you have.

A007,

Not a problem, and thanks for leaving your home number, because the cell would not let me through yesterday, it indicated an out of the area or not taking calls at this time message. Below is what I posted yesterday on your profile page, please consider it:

A007,

While I do understand your points, not the best thing to do and never given an alternative thought and evil is ignorance, the question is still what is the orgin of racism, which typically implies the so-called white race as superior to the so-called black race.

And in that regard, ignorance as you attest, does not imply that they didn't know what they were doing, can be construed to mean that they at least had limited knowledge to do the things they did.

Once again, lets not split hairs but lets reach a consensus on the question pertaining to the origin of racism as defined and understood by most to mean that whites are superior to blacks.

The eradication of evil is beyond us!

Clyde

brown_h0rnet

01-29-2009, 02:48 PM

To answer your question. I am not sure if it will be never ending. There are two things that are for sure. 1) We HAVE TO agree on one "origin" for us to address it effectively. 2) Someone is going to have to change what they already believe. At this point it seems rather futile, but I remain optimistic.

We can not come to a consensus if we do not agree on basic principles. I am not sure what to do. I welcome any input that you have.

A007,

The ORIGIN of this current system of RACISM, has already been outline a couple of times in this thread. And to this date, nobody has refuted it. So on that particular point, it's seems we agree.

But then, the discussion got changed to the origin of EVIL, which then led to Racism.

But as Clyde has stated, eradicating evil is beyond us... or... at least it is beyond what we are trying to do in THIS group.

We know that White Supremacist are doing what they believe is best for THEM, and not what they believe is best for the world out of ignorance! And thus far it has worked for THEM. So we must move towards self reliance to liberate us from our enemy.

We have to keep on focus with the STATED issue. Evil is a different thread.

A007

01-29-2009, 03:44 PM

A007,

We have to keep on point with this groups focus. You asked a question what is the origin of Racism. The focus is on Origin AND Racism. Not just Origin. You claim that the origin of Racism is evil (which comes from ignorance), then why not just open a thread called What is the Origin of Evil? This is a tangent discussion and it is moving us away from the stated issue.

What is the Origin of Racism?

Origin (beginning of). Racism (keeping one's RACE above all other RACES).

The first time that we see an illusionary (that illusion being that the White race is superior to all other RACES) system being set up, was when the Greeks began to establish they they were the originators of civilization, and the founders of knowledge that they stole from us! Before then Khemet was known as "the land of the Gods". Before them, We were known as the ones who had it goin on. Therefore, this was the Origin(the beginning of), of this current system of RACE-ism (keeping one's RACE above all others). And THAT, was based on knowledge.

And as I clearly outlined, your idea that this RACE-ism was out of ignorance, because white people thought that they were doing the best thing for the world, is illogical. And my point was not refuted.

I NEVER said they thought it was the best thing for the world. I ASKED YOU IF YOU thought it was the best thing for the world?? You have yet to answer.

I ALSO asked you about the system in RWANDA. You have yet to answer.

I also made the statement that treating RACISM without focusing on the underlying EVIL would be futile because we didn't address THE CAUSE (ORIGIN). You did not comment.

You keep bringing up Greeks and Khemet....but Tribalism (the earlist form of RACISM) existed THOUSANDS of years before Greece was thought of. And guess WHO PERPETUATED IT?? You guessed it, US!! We enslaved and systematically destroyed other tribes, cultures, and RACES before WHITE people even existed. Now you want to discard all of those facts and start in he middle of time with white people because you have a problem with the system that is in place now. That is understandable but here is the question about us starting with Greece and Khemet....WHAT DO WE DO NOW TO CHANGE THE SYSTEM?

At no point did we agree that the origin of evil is ignorance!

Evil has been here since the beginning of time. It was here long before there were people here that could even be ignorant. Evil and Good are duel forces (as all forces come in pairs). This is a universal law (Principle of Polarity) taught by our ancestors. Without Evil, there would be no such thing as good (you can't have one without it being relative to the other)

This is false!!! Good and Evil are HUMAN constructs. There was NO GOOD AND EVIL before us. You are regergetating a theory that you have heard but you haven't given it any thought.

Give me ONE example of GOOD VS. EVIL that doesn't include Humans in some way.

So to say that ignorance started Evil is to violate universal laws. We are not trying to find and fight the Origin of Evil. Good and Evil will always be in battle with eachother. We are trying to win the battle (with respect to White Supremacy). We are not trying to make our enemies our friend by educating them (on what they already know). We are not trying to fight how the universe is structured.

So... if you want to go off and fight against what YOU believe is the Origin of Evil using education (which to me it is impossible to think we can eradicate ignorance, considering that we are not all knowing ourselves), then you can go ahead and do that. That is a tall task! A Noble thought, but not realistic.

I agree we can never rid humans of ALL ignorance. All IGNORANCE DOES NOTE GIVE WAY TO EVIL. I don't know calculus but that ignorance will not cause me to do anything evil. That is why I LIMITED MY QUESTION TO RACISM. Each form of evil has a different KNOWLEGE base that it takes to eradicate it. We agree that RAPE is EVIL but we can't eradicate it with the same information that we use for RACISM. But, just because there is different information necessary to combat both...THEY BOTH ARE EQUAL AND STEM FROM IGNORANCE!! We CAN educate white people so they will know RACISM is not in the best interest of the world or themselves. I HAVE DONE IT for white people that I have come in contact with. IT KNOW IT WORKS!! You are speaking of theory, I am speaking in practical application that has PROVEN effective.

That is a different thread. You could call that one, What is the Origin of Evil, and then you could open up a dialogue on how to stop Evil. But now, we are moving towards consensuses that Deal with us liberating ourselves from RACE-ISM!

So, according to you...HOW DO WE LIBERATE OURSELVES FROM "RACISM"?

Clyde Coger

01-29-2009, 04:06 PM

A007,

I have read your last rebuttal and argument, and I am keenly aware of all sides in this dialogue. What now comes to my mind is this, we can do a chapter outlining your points, they are indeed true constructs. That would entail bringing light to the wrong-doings of Africans against other Africans, if any; certainly that is the case, as we speak.

That kind of factual reporting could become an addendum to the question: What is the Origin to Racism.

Futhermore, the issues you have isolated are common discussion ponts and talking points between us which should be addressed, academically.

I trust this will bring a truce to the debate!

brown_h0rnet

01-29-2009, 09:38 PM

I NEVER said they thought it was the best thing for the world. I ASKED YOU IF YOU thought it was the best thing for the world?? You have yet to answer.

In post #73 (http://destee.com/forums/showpost.php?p=566511&postcount=73) of this thread, I stated... AND I QUOTE

Why is this question important? Because if white people won out in this scenario, then obviously them oppressing us is working for them, and therefore it can't be considered ignorant and must be considered knowledgeble for them to do so. And it would be futile to try to educate them so they know that what they are doing is wrong.

Then you stated in post #74 (http://destee.com/forums/showpost.php?p=566807&postcount=74) AND I QUOTE

I never said that they didn't know what they were doing was wrong...what I alluded to is...that they DIDN'T KNOW THAT IT IS NOT THE BEST COURSE OF ACTION.

So in other words... THEY THOUGHT WHAT THEY WERE DOING WAS THE BEST COURSE OF ACTION!!

You can't come back now and say that is not what you said, because it is! We can't come to a consensus when you are going back and forth.

And as far as ME answering whether I thought what they did was best for the world... come on now... If I thought what they did was best for the world.. I wouldn't be on Destee.com. I would be on Whitee.com commending them for their correct actions.

Out of greed and jealousy, they did what they felt was right for them... They didn't do what they felt was the best course of action for the world.

I ALSO asked you about the system in RWANDA. You have yet to answer.

Not ONLY did I not comment your bit about Rwanda (which is a complex issue, complete with Y-T in the background), I also didn't comment about Slavery 10,000 years ago, or tribalism, or South America, Asia, and India, and a whatever else you are talking about. Why?.. I am only responding to your dialogue regarding RACE-ISM... Let me elaborate after your next quote

I also made the statement that treating RACISM without focusing on the underlying EVIL would be futile because we didn't address THE CAUSE (ORIGIN). You did not comment.

You keep bringing up Greeks and Khemet....but Tribalism (the earlist form of RACISM) existed THOUSANDS of years before Greece was thought of. And guess WHO PERPETUATED IT?? You guessed it, US!! We enslaved and systematically destroyed other tribes, cultures, and RACES before WHITE people even existed. Now you want to discard all of those facts and start in he middle of time with white people because you have a problem with the system that is in place now. That is understandable but here is the question about us starting with Greece and Khemet....WHAT DO WE DO NOW TO CHANGE THE SYSTEM?

Once again A007... TRIBE-alism is not a form of RACE-ism!

You are going backwards down a slippery slope that ends NOWHERE! Just as you sit here and talk about Tribalism, I could then say... Well Hell... Let's go back to Cain and Abel (if you believe in the Bible). Cain killed Abel because he was ignorant and didn't know there was a better course of action! After all, the UNDERLINING EVIL that caused Cain (one person) to kill Abel(his brother).. is what led One Tribe to Kill their brothers in another tribe Right?

So we shouldn't be takin bout Tribalism... LET'S TALK ABOUT CAIN!

But wait, ... Let's talk about Satan and God fighting in the Heavens before Satan was Cast out. After all... the same type of underlining jealousy that made Satan turn against God, made Cain turn on Abel... Right? Satan didn't realize that what he was doing wasn't the best course of action for everyone... Right?

But wait... Let's go back to SET... Cause Set is what became Satan. Let's talk about SET, and ASAR! What made Set Act a fool? Set was EVIL... So he must have been ignorant Right? He needed an alternative course of action to be presented to him.. Right?

So how do we solve Racism? We must first go back to the ORIGIN, which is SET... and analyze his ignorance.

Then we must go out into the Highways and Byways and Educate the masses on Set's ignorance, and teach them that Racism isn't the best thing for all of us together (because they don't know) and eventually it will catch on... and one day, we will live happily ever after.. in a world without Racism.

You see A007, I just said all of that to show you that I TOO can play the game that you are playing. Unfortunately... THIS GAME IS OVER!

We have got to stop defending these White folk for Killing, Raping, Torturing, Mutilating, Pimping, Lying on and Stealing from our people under this idea, that they don't know no betta, cause they were misguided by US OR THEY JUST HAVEN'T CONSIDERED ANY ALTERNATIVES... as you stated at the end of #74 (http://destee.com/forums/showpost.php?p=566807&postcount=74)

We have an advesary that we are trying to overcome. White Supremacist know exactly what they are doing. If "They" could be "taught" different, they would have been by now.

We need to move toward self reliance! We need to educate OUR children RIGHT, instead of trying to convince White folk to do it right. We need to empower ourselves ECONOMICALLY first (because that is the basis of this White Supremacists power structure). That is what I believe that we can start here by bringing in some REVENUE! We need to empower ourselves and stop waiting for acceptance.

THAT.... is how we can begin to liberate ourselves from this system of oppression (to answer your question).

Now, A007

If you feel that the Principle of Polarity (Duel Forces) that our ancestors taught is not correct, then that is a different thread (I'll be glad to engage in that debate with you THERE)

We can't re-create the garden of eden (where no one fights with anyone). We don't have time to trace back to the ORIGIN of LIFE.. and find WHEN THE FIRST PERSON DID SOMETHING BAD TO SOMEONE ELSE... and analyze the "specific type" of ignorance that led to it, so that we can educate against it and eradicate RACE-ISM.

That is an extremely boring, terrible 7 hour long action-less, fantasy based movie that I am not interested in watching.

So at this point, for those involved... I propose we just put it to the vote.

If you believe that White Supremacy is based on ignorace then vote that way..

And if you believe that White Supremacy is based on knowledge.. then vote that way.

My vote is knowledge.

A007

01-30-2009, 11:04 AM

In post #73 (http://destee.com/forums/showpost.php?p=566511&postcount=73) of this thread, I stated... AND I QUOTE

Then you stated in post #74 (http://destee.com/forums/showpost.php?p=566807&postcount=74) AND I QUOTE

So in other words... THEY THOUGHT WHAT THEY WERE DOING WAS THE BEST COURSE OF ACTION!!

WHATTTT?????? Those two statments are not even CLOSE to be equal. My statement is THEY DIDN'T KNOW THAT IT WAS NOT THE BEST COURSE OF ACTION.

This means that THERE WAS A BETTER COURSE OF ACTION!!!...BUT THEY DIDN'T KNOW IT.

How on this EARTH did you get THEY THOUGHT WHAT THEY WERE DOING WAS THE BEST COURSE OF ACTION!!..????? That may be the worst translation of a statement I have ever seen...it is THE POLAR OPPOSITE OF WHAT I WAS STATING.

That is UNLESS YOU believe it was there best course of action, which I am inclined to believe you do because you keep saying they did what was best for them.

And as far as ME answering whether I thought what they did was best for the world... come on now... If I thought what they did was best for the world.. I wouldn't be on Destee.com. I would be on Whitee.com commending them for their correct actions.

Out of greed and jealousy, they did what they felt was right for them... They didn't do what they felt was the best course of action for the world.

EXACTLY!!! But, it was not even the best thing for THEM!! I think you think because they are in power now and are economically better off that it was the best course of action FOR THEM. BUT, my brother, they suffer physically, mentally, and especially spiritually because of their crimes. My contention is that they could have avoided all of that suffering that they deal with (still today) if they had INCLUDED us and not divsed a system to keep us down. Do you disagree with that??

Not ONLY did I not comment your bit about Rwanda (which is a complex issue, complete with Y-T in the background), I also didn't comment about Slavery 10,000 years ago, or tribalism, or South America, Asia, and India, and a whatever else you are talking about. Why?.. I am only responding to your dialogue regarding RACE-ISM... Let me elaborate after your next quote

You didn't comment because it fatally damages your case the racism started with Greeks. And, if you are only responding the the WORD RACISM rather than the attitudes and systems, then you are off base by citing the Greeks as the originators because RACE is a morden construct not accepted until the 19th century. The word RACE-ISM doesn't even exist until the 1930's. The precursors to RACISM were Tribalism (which had us separating people by race also), Cultrualism, and then Religious oppression. So, AGAIN, if we wish the focus of the group to be the ECONOMICS of the MODERN CONSTRUCT OF RACISM then I am ALL FOR IT!! But, you need to overstand that this is ONLY DEALING WITH THE SYMPTOM and it will be replaced by a system of TRIBALISM, CULTURALISM, CLASSISM, OR RELIGIOUSISM if we do not address the ORIGIN of it (WHICH IS IGNORANCE). And, I am not ok with replacing one destructive system with another...I don't care WHAT COLOR the person is who is oppressing me.

Once again A007... TRIBE-alism is not a form of RACE-ism!

Only because Racism is a modern construct. But it is EXACTLY the same thing when we enslaved slovocians (white people) and albinos.

You are going backwards down a slippery slope that ends NOWHERE! Just as you sit here and talk about Tribalism, I could then say... Well Hell... Let's go back to Cain and Abel (if you believe in the Bible). Cain killed Abel because he was ignorant and didn't know there was a better course of action! After all, the UNDERLINING EVIL that caused Cain (one person) to kill Abel(his brother).. is what led One Tribe to Kill their brothers in another tribe Right?

So we shouldn't be takin bout Tribalism... LET'S TALK ABOUT CAIN!

Ok!

But wait, ... Let's talk about Satan and God fighting in the Heavens before Satan was Cast out. After all... the same type of underlining jealousy that made Satan turn against God, made Cain turn on Abel... Right? Satan didn't realize that what he was doing wasn't the best course of action for everyone... Right?

[U][SIZE="2"]EXACTLY!!

[B]But wait... Let's go back to SET... Cause Set is what became Satan. Let's talk about SET, and ASAR! What made Set Act a fool? Set was EVIL... So he must have been ignorant Right? He needed an alternative course of action to be presented to him.. Right?

EXACTLY!!

So how do we solve Racism? We must first go back to the ORIGIN, which is SET... and analyze his ignorance.

Analyzation of SET'S ignorance is not necessary because we are not fighting that now. You cannot mount a decent debate if you are going to leave out important portion of my arguement...in this case it is the part were I said that trying to combat the ignorance of rape would do us no good in trying to battle the ignorance of racism. They are both ignorance but the information needed to fight them are different.

Then we must go out into the Highways and Byways and Educate the masses on Set's ignorance, and teach them that Racism isn't the best thing for all of us together (because they don't know) and eventually it will catch on... and one day, we will live happily ever after.. in a world without Racism.

In a manner of speaking. YES!!

We have got to stop defending these White folk for Killing, Raping, Torturing, Mutilating, Pimping, Lying on and Stealing from our people under this idea, that they don't know no betta, cause they were misguided by US OR THEY JUST HAVEN'T CONSIDERED ANY ALTERNATIVES... as you stated at the end of #74 (http://destee.com/forums/showpost.php?p=566807&postcount=74)[/QUOTE]

I never defended their actions. Don't put words on my screen...lol

We have an advesary that we are trying to overcome. White Supremacist know exactly what they are doing. If "They" could be "taught" different, they would have been by now.

We need to move toward self reliance! We need to educate OUR children RIGHT, instead of trying to convince White folk to do it right. We need to empower ourselves ECONOMICALLY first (because that is the basis of this White Supremacists power structure). That is what I believe that we can start here by bringing in some REVENUE! We need to empower ourselves and stop waiting for acceptance.

I could care less about acceptance. One does not have to accept me to RESPECT me. Yet, I agree with you...the thing they RESPECT MOST IS MONEY.

THAT.... is how we can begin to liberate ourselves from this system of oppression (to answer your question).

But, that is VERY VAGUE! People have been saying the same thing for 60 years or more...yet here we still are. You don't think it is INSANITY to continue to do the same thing over and over and expecting different results??

Now, A007

If you feel that the Principle of Polarity (Duel Forces) that our ancestors taught is not correct, then that is a different thread (I'll be glad to engage in that debate with you THERE)

It is not a different thread. ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS GIVE ME ONE example of Good and Evil that DOESN'T involve humans in some way. Let me help you it CAN'T BE DONE. The only thing close is referring to God's or Angel's...which no animal has any knowledge of but HUMANS!

We can't re-create the garden of eden (where no one fights with anyone). We don't have time to trace back to the ORIGIN of LIFE.. and find WHEN THE FIRST PERSON DID SOMETHING BAD TO SOMEONE ELSE... and analyze the "specific type" of ignorance that led to it, so that we can educate against it and eradicate RACE-ISM.

That is not necessary. If you would have read when I said that we have to combat THIS ignorance DIFFERENTLY than we do RAPE, or serial killing, or any other EVIL that is different.

That is an extremely boring, terrible 7 hour long action-less, fantasy based movie that I am not interested in watching.

So at this point, for those involved... I propose we just put it to the vote.

If you believe that White Supremacy is based on ignorace then vote that way..

And if you believe that White Supremacy is based on knowledge.. then vote that way.

My vote is knowledge.

The thread NEVER MENTIONED WHITE SUPREMACY....It was about the ORIGIN OF RACISM.

You ASSUME White supremacy and Racism are the same thing. That is an EXTREMELY narrow-minded AND SELFISH view because you leave out the REST OF THE WORLD!!! Asians practice RACISM. Indians (from india) practice RACISM. And others. And since they are not WHITE we can LOGICALLY CONCLUDE THAT RACISM AND WHITE SUPREMECY ARE NOT THE SAME THING!!!
You want to be selfish and ONLY consider ourselves because we are black, on a black website, and discussing ONLY our fate. THAT WAS NEVER MY GOAL. So, FOR THE LAST TIME, I will say...IF WE WANT TO CHANGE TO FOCUS FROM THE ORIGIN OF RACISM TO FIGHTING WHITE SUPREMECY THEN I AM FINE WITH THAT!!! I will participate and help as long as we are making positive strides. But, Racism and White supremecy ARE NOT THE SAME THING!!! So, let's not pretend that they are for the sake of us being selfish because SELFISHNESS will make things WORSE not better.

I will say again when it comes to educating the racist attitude away.... I HAVE DONE IT for white people that I have come in contact with. IT KNOW IT WORKS!! You are speaking of theory, I am speaking in practical application that has PROVEN effective.

Why are you fighting something that WORKS???

brown_h0rnet

01-30-2009, 03:17 PM

A007

01-30-2009, 05:03 PM

Okay A007,

Then let's put THAT to a vote.

To those who believe that Racism is based on (or originated with) ignorance, Then Vote for ignorance.

To those who believe that Racism is based on (or originated) with knowledge
Then Vote for knowledge

My vote is for knowledge

What we BELIEVE is not a burden of proof. The KKK continues to vote that they HATE US based on what they BELIEVE.

Either it is TRUE or it is NOT TRUE based on fact, evidence, and/or logic.

What each of us BELIEVES means nothing. With that being said you have gotten ahead of yourself. We first need to vote to see if RACISM is the same as WHITE SUPREMECY. In order to do that we need to answer the question..."Did a system of RACISM (although called something different because the word did not exist until the 1930's) exist before WHITE PEOPLE existed?"Also I am going to need you to answer this... If it is KNOWLEDGE from which they operate, why are the KKK's numbers dwindling? Knowledge (correct and effective) would surely have their numbers growing.

You left ALOT of facts unrefutted in my last post...is that because you don't have answers or because you are so set on NOT CHANGING WHAT YOU BELIEVE that you just dismiss them? Comming to a consensus does us no good if we are following faulty logic.

Clyde Coger

01-30-2009, 11:10 PM

What we BELIEVE is not a burden of proof. The KKK continues to vote that they HATE US based on what they BELIEVE.

Either it is TRUE or it is NOT TRUE based on fact, evidence, and/or logic.

What each of us BELIEVES means nothing. With that being said you have gotten ahead of yourself. We first need to vote to see if RACISM is the same as WHITE SUPREMECY. In order to do that we need to answer the question..."Did a system of RACISM (although called something different because the word did not exist until the 1930's) exist before WHITE PEOPLE existed?"Also I am going to need you to answer this... If it is KNOWLEDGE from which they operate, why are the KKK's numbers dwindling? Knowledge (correct and effective) would surely have their numbers growing.

You left ALOT of facts unrefutted in my last post...is that because you don't have answers or because you are so set on NOT CHANGING WHAT YOU BELIEVE that you just dismiss them? Comming to a consensus does us no good if we are following faulty logic.

A007,

It is apparent that if not stopped, this debate would continue without ending based upon the skill sets demonstrated in this back and forth dialogue. A vote has been called for, and a truce has been offered. The truce as offered would incorporate a chapter outlining an addendum to the question: What is the Origin of Racism.

The addendum would bring focus to the origin of wrongdoings of Africans against other Africans, if any; which is certainly the case, as we speak, and would serve as a consensus to end the on-going debate.

Furthermore, the issues you have globalize, ignorance, evil, and selfishness as key elements of Tribalism, as key elements of racism within the same race(s), and universal ignorance; are common talking points, which should be addressed, academically.

However, there can be only one path, which is to say, a vote or a truce, but not both. Again, let me make this plain, either we vote, or we adopt the truce as outlined above. This conclusion has been reached and is based upon the following facts:

In post #79 on page 8 of the thread, your position is clear: “But, for the purpose of this thread we will be addressing the racism that is used to keep African-Americans down.”
http://destee.com/forums/showpost.php?p=541707&postcound=79

In post #23 on page 3 of the thread, your question and your answer are clear: “So, the question is (and I don't have an answer yet) how do we combat the ignorance?”
http://destee.com/forums/showpost.php?p=540957&postcount=23

In post#27 on page 3 of the thread, your intent to drop tradition and ego for the greater good is clear: “I am willing to drop ALL tradition and ego in order to come to a workable solution. This means, as Malcom said, leaving our religions and differences AT HOME. Are people going to be able to do that for a benefit of the greater good?”
http://destee.com/forums/showpost.php?p=540992&postcount=27

Unless you have had a change in heart, from my understanding, we formed Group Think to come together and decide on answers that would address racism that is used to keep African-Americans down, not to eradicate evil, selfishness nor universal ignorance. None of us, including yourself has the answer to the latter set of problems. Hence our main focuses, again, as members of Group Think are to reach workable solutions through consensus toward the answers by dropping tradition, egos, differences, religion, etc. So far and up until now, Group Think has reached consensus on: Clarity of Purpose and Issues that Divide us, and remains true to the original intent of the group concept:
http://destee.com/forums/showpost.php?p=565503&postcount=115

Base on all of the above, the truce or vote option is deemed as a workable solution upon which to end an otherwise incessant debate that is contrary to the fundamental basis for which Group Think was founded and conducts its business; which is your pleasure a vote or truce?

A007

01-31-2009, 09:49 AM

A007,

It is apparent that if not stopped, this debate would continue without ending based upon the skill sets demonstrated in this back and forth dialogue. A vote has been called for, and a truce has been offered. The truce as offered would incorporate a chapter outlining an addendum to the question: What is the Origin of Racism.

The addendum would bring focus to the origin of wrongdoings of Africans against other Africans, if any; which is certainly the case, as we speak, and would serve as a consensus to end the on-going debate.

Furthermore, the issues you have globalize, ignorance, evil, and selfishness as key elements of Tribalism, as key elements of racism within the same race(s), and universal ignorance; are common talking points, which should be addressed, academically.

However, there can be only one path, which is to say, a vote or a truce, but not both. Again, let me make this plain, either we vote, or we adopt the truce as outlined above. This conclusion has been reached and is based upon the following facts:

In post #79 on page 8 of the thread, your position is clear: “But, for the purpose of this thread we will be addressing the racism that is used to keep African-Americans down.”
http://destee.com/forums/showpost.php?p=541707&postcound=79

In post #23 on page 3 of the thread, your question and your answer are clear: “So, the question is (and I don't have an answer yet) how do we combat the ignorance?”
http://destee.com/forums/showpost.php?p=540957&postcount=23

In post#27 on page 3 of the thread, your intent to drop tradition and ego for the greater good is clear: “I am willing to drop ALL tradition and ego in order to come to a workable solution. This means, as Malcom said, leaving our religions and differences AT HOME. Are people going to be able to do that for a benefit of the greater good?”
http://destee.com/forums/showpost.php?p=540992&postcount=27

Unless you have had a change in heart, from my understanding, we formed Group Think to come together and decide on answers that would address racism that is used to keep African-Americans down, not to eradicate evil, selfishness nor universal ignorance. None of us, including yourself has the answer to the latter set of problems. Hence our main focuses, again, as members of Group Think are to reach workable solutions through consensus toward the answers by dropping tradition, egos, differences, religion, etc. So far and up until now, Group Think has reached consensus on: Clarity of Purpose and Issues that Divide us, and remains true to the original intent of the group concept:
http://destee.com/forums/showpost.php?p=565503&postcount=115

Base on all of the above, the truce or vote option is deemed as a workable solution upon which to end an otherwise incessant debate that is contrary to the fundamental basis for which Group Think was founded and conducts its business; which is your pleasure a vote or truce?

TRUCE...because a vote proves nothing other than the majority accepts faulty logic as truth.

Ionlyspeaktruth

01-31-2009, 11:52 AM

TRUCE...because a vote proves nothing other than the majority accepts faulty logic as truth.

And tell you that your saying that is like you are trying to call us who believe that Racism is NOT based on ignorance people who accept faulty knowledge?? You gotta be kidding me? YOUR premise provides our enemy with a much welcomed 'out" or excuse for the dirty deed. LOL try using that in a courtroom with your black self!! you would be posting once a week from a jail house classroom!! SMH! See, this type of thinking skews an important topic. No more about this from me (so dont bother to try and prolong this). I will just end this by saying that I am tired of Afrikans being apologists for our enemy! Hell, they dont need their own to do it.....They got some of us!! Still SMH!

A007

01-31-2009, 12:46 PM

And tell you that your saying that is like you are trying to call us who believe that Racism is NOT based on ignorance people who accept faulty knowledge?? You gotta be kidding me? YOUR premise provides our enemy with a much welcomed 'out" or excuse for the dirty deed. LOL try using that in a courtroom with your black self!! you would be posting once a week from a jail house classroom!! SMH! See, this type of thinking skews an important topic. No more about this from me (so dont bother to try and prolong this). I will just end this by saying that I am tired of Afrikans being apologists for our enemy! Hell, they dont need their own to do it.....They got some of us!! Still SMH!

LOL... My statement does nothing of the sort. How is being ignorant an excuse or a defense to anything? You guessed it...IT ISN'T. Now, I realize that you stated your peace without any intent on having to defend what you believe. That is what most of us do. So, my rebuttal is for those readers who continue to seek truth through facts, evidence, and logic regardless of how they personally feel. I do appreciate your feedback, however. Because I did not realize that some people may perceive ignorance as an "out" for white people. So, I am glad I got to address it.

OH...and in a courtroom My FACTS, EVIDENCE AND LOGIC would hold up 1000 percent..lol.

Clyde Coger

02-01-2009, 04:34 PM

Progress Report

The Origin of Racism Group held it’s 14th meeting, January 29th, 2009. The Group Think (GT) meeting was promptly called at 10:00 AM Eastern and concluded at 11: AM Eastern. In attendance and on the mic for GT were brown_hornet and Clyde C. Coger, Jr. Other Group Think prospects and family members in attendance were SeekingMaat, Tariq Muhammad and site owner, Destee.

Extensive discussion surrounding the newsletter concluded with this understanding, all efforts toward achieving this goal are welcomed by Destee, all past resources of newsletter formats will be made available by Destee, and can be used immediately. By overwhelming consent, the suggestion of SeekingMaat, for us to consider creating a quarterly magazine of high quality was cheered and widely accepted by all present. These are her thoughts: http://destee.com/forums/showpost.php?p=567211&postcount=3

In keeping with the directive of meeting (13), an effort was made to collect contact numbers and e-mail addresses of GT members for exchange, and continues. It was decided to push for wrapping up the on-going debate of Ignorance or Knowledge, in favor of full GT participation on the matters of, #1. Under Issues that Divide us: reach consensus on adding Patriarchy and Matriarchy, and #2. Under Next New Items: naming the publication, and working on the table of contents(brown_hOrnet is working on the problem of Disconnect).

Current standing member update:

A007
Brown_hornet
Jahari Kavi
Phynxofkmt
Ionlyspeaktruth
SeekingMaat
Tariq Muhammad
Clyde C. Coger, Jr.

(All current standing members of GT are encouraged to provide input to the below outstanding issues, on or before our next meeting, February 05, 2009 @ 9:00AM Central, or by posting here to the feedback thread):

Outstanding Issues awaiting Consensus

Issues that Divide us…Discussion of Patriarchy and Matriarchy

Next New Items for consideration of GT members

Determine Title of the publication
Determine Table of Contents?
Question: What is the Origin of Racism?

All GT members should keep in mind that on those issues whereby we have reached Consensus become controlling and binding, and help guide our thought processes as we move through the Next New Items for consideration. Until enmeshed fully, it would not hurt to review this link often:
http://destee.com/forums/showpost.php?p=565503&postcount=115

Jahari Kavi

02-04-2009, 01:53 PM

just got ya email today brown hornet

#1. Table of contents... and
#2. Title of our book/e-book that we are trying to write.

So I just wanted to let you know in advance to put on your thinking cap. What do you think would be a/or some good titles? And how do you think the book should be structured? (like an intro.. problem.. some solutions) etc etc.

I know that you have already came up with a couple of titles and they are great. If you can think of any others, or if you can think of any chapters etc etc.. please let us know. We will be bringing this to the meetings going forward for consensus.

Clyde will also be bringing this info up to date in the thread.

Just wanted to keep you up to date!

Peace IN!

I wanna give myself sometime to think of an option for a title, but as far as the intro is concerned I think it would be important to address what is and isn't racism. I also think it would be a good idea to bring up websters definition of racism and explain why it is incorrect. After doing so it would probably be a good idea to introduce the true definition of racism and what it looks like and how is has been and still currently is applied to this day.

As far as the contents are concerned, I think the first thing to do out the gate is to explain how studying the origins of racism is helpful to our people. This is question I posed to the board in the general forum, because I honestly don't know the complete answer myself..........but I do believe there are good things that can come out of it.

Clyde Coger

02-04-2009, 05:25 PM

Reminder of Group Think Meeting Thursday, Feb. 05, 2009 9:00AM Central (10:00AM Eas)

Unless standing members are unable to attend, all should post input Here

Please devote serious time to the following three(3) items:

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1. Should the discussion of Matriarchy and Patriarchy be added to, Issues that Divide us

2. Possible Titles of our homegrown publication:

Black Liberation
The Reconstruction of Black Civilization
BAM: By Any Means
DREAM: Dedication to Restoring and Empowering Africans Mentalities

3. Possible Table of Contents:

INTRODUCTION: Why Studying the Origin of Racism is Helpful to our People

What is Racism?
What is and isn't Racism?
Definitions of Racism (http://destee.com/forums/showpost.php?p=541305&postcount=51)
The Nature vs. Nurture argument on Racism*
A Viewpoint of the Origins of Systematic Racism (SR)
From the slave trade, during slavery, and post reconstruction
How Systematic Racism is still here
How SR manifests itself in different ways
How Africans collectively combated these Racist Structures
The Disconnect
Liberation according to the ISIS Papers plus one
Addendum to the Question: What is the Origin of Racism

*(Jahari, please provide more detail explanation)

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Please! All standing members of Group Think submit your input on all of the above, unless you attend tomorrow’s meeting and you are on the mic, on or before our next regular scheduled meeting, February 12, 2009.

Jahari Kavi

02-07-2009, 03:06 PM

1. Should the discussion of Matriarchy and Patriarchy be added to, Issues that Divide us

Most definitely, especially since racism contributes to that divide

2. Possible Titles of our homegrown publication:

Black Liberation
The Reconstruction of Black Civilization
BAM: By Any Means
DREAM: Dedication to Restoring and Empowering Africans Mentalities

I like acronyms, lol......I like BAM cause it's in your face, which can attract people and scare some at the same time........DREAM is a lil softer which could initially push more of our miltant minds away (which I wouldn't want to do) but it might be a lil easier for some of the less militant people to accept

The Nature vs. Nurture argument on Racism*

I've always been interested in exploring the concept of whether racial aggression is based strictly on the environment in which individuals come up in or if there is historical biological evidence that might suggest that racial aggression might be somewhat innate.

Clyde Coger

02-08-2009, 07:15 PM

Progress Report

The Origin of Racism Group held it’s 15th meeting, February 5th, 2009. The Group Think (GT) meeting was promptly called at 10:00 AM Eastern and concluded at 11: AM Eastern. In attendance and on the mic for GT were brown_hornet, A007, and Clyde C. Coger, Jr. No new information concerning the newsletter/magazine was presented except contact with those involved would continue. It was decided that the truce would take effect, and to forgo a vote procedure on the ignorance or knowledge issue at discussion. An addendum to the question: What is the Origin of Racism has been added, with contents provided by A007. There was extensive discussion on the disconnect problem of black people from the forefront of resisting racism, even with all available information at our disposal. Brother brown_hornet will push toward constructing contents for this key element of the publication. His explanation of the problem was highly commended by all present. Family member, Da Street So’ja was present and remains in full support of the Group Think project, but was precluded from sharing input to the issue of disconnect due to mic problems. Thanks Brother Jahari Kavi for the additional information.*

A quorum consensus has been reached to include matters relating to Matriarchy/Patriarchy , in Issues that Divide us, and will be updated, accordingly.

The basic agenda for GT members remains as follows:

Next New Items for consideration of GT members

Determine Title of the publication
Determine Table of Contents?
Question: What is the Origin of Racism?

Possible Titles of our homegrown publication:

Black Liberation
The Reconstruction of Black Civilization
BAM: By Any Means
DREAM: Dedication to Restoring and Empowering Africans Mentalities

(Through consensus-based resolution reached in the 16th Group Think Meeting, any titles selected in the naming of our homegrown publication, can include or reflect “Destee.com Family” or something similar. So Family, lets put the thinking caps on and get this done)Change effective, February 12, 2009

Possible Table of Contents:

INTRODUCTION: Why Studying the Origins of Racism is Helpful to our People

What is Racism?
What is and isn't Racism
Definitions of Racism (http://destee.com/forums/showpost.php?p=541305&postcount=51)
The Nature vs. Nurture argument on Racism*
A Viewpoint of the Origins of Systematic Racism (SR)
From the slave trade, during slavery, and post reconstruction
How Systematic Racism is still here
How SR manifests itself in different ways
How Africans collectively combated these Racist Structures
The Disconnect
Liberation according to the ISIS Papers plus one
Addendum to the Question: What is the Origin of Racism

(All current standing members of GT are encouraged to provide input to the above outstanding issues, on or before our next meeting, February 12, 2009 @ 9:00AM Central, or by posting here to the feedback thread)

Clyde Coger

02-12-2009, 11:20 PM

Progress Report

The Group Think Project-Group held it’s 16th meeting, February 12, 2009. The Group Think (GT) meeting was promptly called at 10:00 AM Eastern and concluded around 11:20 AM Eastern. In attendance and on the mic for GT were brown_hornet, A007, Ionlyspeaktruth, SeekingMaat, and Clyde C. Coger, Jr.

Concerning the newsletter/magazine, family member Mario (1999), received the mock newsletter created by Sister Zulile, and will begin to put together a digital formatted web page. brown_hornet will share all contact information we have on Mario with Sister Zulile for consideration towards that goal.

Under the GT Basic Agenda, we conducted extensive discussion on the title of our homegrown publication.

Succinct Discussion on: (Determine Title of the publication)

Sister SeekingMaat suggested that we include the Destee Family in the “title selection” process of the publication for a more diversified viewpoint, and to attract more participants, especially women, for the Group Think project. GT is comfortable with this in that it (GT) has taken steps toward full community involvement by creating specific threads and the bumping of threads to ensure the resource needs of GT are made public and obvious; it realizes that the newsletter/magazine, when accomplished, will also serve to notify those qualified, both inside and outside of Destee.com, when specific resources are needed.

The apparent need for more female participation was stressed, and also the group’s purpose for answering the question: origin of racism. GT is comfortable in knowing that it welcomes the female persuasion, has a track record of encouraging Sister participation with Group Think, and is very proud to have Sisters phynxofkmt and SeekingMaat on board.

As it relates to racism, GT reminds its members and those incoming, that the question of racism’s origin is the core catalyst and foundation upon which the group was created, and GT has clear Clarity of Purpose which reaches beyond the single scope of racism, to include mental liberation of our People, as the first step in the process. “Moreover, when we speak of liberation, we are basically talking about the 9 areas of people activity as outlined in the ISIS Papers, Economics, Education, Entertainment, Labor, Law, Politics, Religion, Sex, and War, and in addition, Health as the 10th. So we are talking about everything.” Please review the links below for the fundamental direction to which Group Think and its members are committed:
http://destee.com/forums/showpost.php?p=563579&postcount=19
http://destee.com/forums/showpost.php?p=563579&postcount=115

GT members and those incoming are again reminded that the expended efforts of its members, has resulted in a quorum consensus on Clarity of Purpose and Issues that Divide us; and our focus should be bent in the direction of applying truth and education for the mental liberation of ourselves and of our People from the devastating effects of racism white supremacy.

Conclusion: Today marks the milestone achievement of GT’s first consensus based resolution, reached by a quorum of five (5) members through dialogue on the mic in Voice Chat. The following outlines the achievement and the supporting basis: The inclusion of “Destee.com Family, ” or something similar, can be reflected in the final “title selection” of the publication.

This will do two (2) things, first, it is expected to generate competition in the “title selection” process from our widely diverse Family; and second, by reaching across such a broad base, fulfills the Group Think objective to increase Site (Destee.com) participation. Guidelines to: Determine Title of the publication will change accordingly.

GT members, brown_hornet and Clyde C. Coger, Jr., will create and post a Thread seeking the Communities involvement, within the new “title selection” guidelines, for the naming of the homegrown publication, by Wednesday, February 18th.

(All current standing members of GT are encouraged to provide input to the following: Possible Titles of our homegrown publication and Possible Table of Contents issues, on or before our next meeting, February 19, 2009 @ 9:00AM Central, by posting (here) in the feedback thread)

brown_h0rnet

02-17-2009, 01:06 PM

I like acronyms, lol......I like BAM cause it's in your face, which can attract people and scare some at the same time........DREAM is a lil softer which could initially push more of our miltant minds away (which I wouldn't want to do) but it might be a lil easier for some of the less militant people to accept

I would also like to throw this idea in to add to the BAM acronyms. We could also use the name BAMN (By any means necessary)... which is spelled kinna like D**N!!

But, to add to what you are saying, I think BAM will scare some people away.. and I also do believe that DREAM will push some people away also. Either way you go, on those two acronyms, I believe that some people may not want to pay attention. So, I'm not sure, we may be able to find a happy medium, as far as a title.

A couple of more titles

The Old World Order... or maybe
The NU World Order

ANOTHER CHAPTER

I think also, that we should have a chapter in the document that is along the lines of "From The Illuminati to the hood"

As Jahari brought up earlier, that the question about "secret societies" was asked, "How does that really effect us anyway?"

I think we need to break down (from top to bottom) how what the so called Elite and what they do has its effect on all of us. Because most people don't know. And because of that, people get involved in "pseudo" politics (while not seeing the REAL unseen hand). When speaking of secret societies, it is normally a detached conversation.... we need to attach it.

Clyde Coger

02-21-2009, 05:42 PM

Progress Report

The GroupThink Project-Group held it’s 17th meeting, February 19, 2009. The GroupThink (GT) meeting was promptly called at 10:00 AM Eastern and concluded around 11:00 AM Eastern. In attendance and on the mic for GT were brown_hornet and Clyde C. Coger, Jr. Family member in attendance was oldiesman.

Concerning the newsletter/magazine, family member Mario (1999), has received all information submitted by GT, and promises to get back with us after putting something together. Proactively, our Forum name was switched for Origin of Racism to GroupThink Project in order to more accurately reflect the group’s purposes. Sister SeekingMaat raised the stigma of using the term racism in the group name, which conjured the past intent to consider changing not only the name of the original thread, but the group name, as well. Thanks SeekingMaat for making that an issue. Proactively also, GT has created site-wide competition for the naming of its homegrown publication, this too was recommended by Sister SeekingMaat. At present, the reward is three (3) months of Premium Membership, which may be increased to One Year. So far to date, anAfrican* has submitted an entry to the Competition thread, along with dialogue on other titles and chapters.

The following will be added to: The basic agenda for GT members

New Titles

BAMN----By any means necessary
DesteeDotCom: Re~Dedicating Africa*
The Old World Order
The NU World Order

New Chapters

From The Illuminati to the hood(brown_hornet/Jahari kavi)

(All current active members of GT are encouraged to provide input to the basic agenda on or before our next meeting, February 26, 2009 @ 9:00AM Central, by posting here to the feedback thread)

Clyde Coger

02-27-2009, 10:41 PM

Progress Report

The GroupThink Project-Group held it’s 18th meeting, February 26, 2009. The GroupThink (GT) meeting was promptly called at 10:00 AM Eastern and concluded around 11:00 AM Eastern. In attendance and on the mic for GT were brown_hornet, Tariq Muhammad, SeekingMaat and Clyde C. Coger, Jr. Family members in attendance were jblackmel and Remby. Our core purposes were explained to jblackmel with positive acceptance.

At this point concerning the newsletter/magazine project, all members participating with the kick-off of our mainstream media are in high gear. Mario suggests the Destee family seriously considers putting together a conference video toward full promotion of the newsletter/magazine. We began discussion on the idea of a conference video, and will push for its consensus. In the solicitation of newsletter articles, family member LovesDestiny will be one of many, hopefully, that will provide regular contents for the newsletter.

There was also limited discussion provided by Bro Tariq on actions taken to restore trust between males and females of the Community, to its prior level. Also, there was some discussion on involving the Destee family with the publication’s table of contents; however, no consensus was reached. Currently, our table of contents is acceptable and will remain open to new ideas.

Family member MetaSaience has submitted graphics, to include a sample T-Shirt. And our beloved Destee, like everyone else, was completely overwhelmed with the beauty of Meta’s work. Brother MetaSaience also gave tips to help promote the Site, and has agreed to be a regular contributor to the newsletter.

This meeting marked a special new beginning for GT members, having renewed its vows to work in harmony while pursuing the worthwhile goal of expanding Destee.com into an Internet Icon for our people.

(All current active members of GT are encouraged to provide input to the basic agenda on or before our next meeting, March 5, 2009 @ 9:00AM Central, by posting here to the feedback thread). Below is the basic agenda:

The basic agenda for GT members remains as follows:

Next New Items for consideration of GT members

Determine Title of the publication
Determine Table of Contents?
Question: What is the Origin of Racism?

Possible Titles of our homegrown publication:

Black Liberation
The Reconstruction of Black Civilization
BAM: By Any Means
DREAM: Dedication to Restoring and Empowering Africans Mentalities
BAMN----By any means necessary
DesteeDotCom: Re~Dedicating Africa*
The Old World Order
The NU World Order
The End of Racism as we know it.
Fighting the system of Racism.

Possible Table of Contents:

INTRODUCTION: Why Studying the Origins of Racism is Helpful to our People

What is Racism?
What is and isn't Racism
Definitions of Racism (http://destee.com/forums/showpost.php?p=541305&postcount=51)
The Nature vs. Nurture argument on Racism*
A Viewpoint of the Origins of Systematic Racism (SR)
From the slave trade, during slavery, and post reconstruction
How Systematic Racism is still here
How SR manifests itself in different ways
How Africans collectively combated these Racist Structures
The Disconnect (Freek Philosophies)
Liberation according to the ISIS Papers plus one
From The Illuminati to the hood (brown_hornet/Jahari kavi)
Addendum to the Question: What is the Origin of Racism

A007

03-03-2009, 08:55 AM

As we know...the title of a book can make a difference as to how many copies it sells. I believe we need something provocotive the generate interest.

Possibilities in my opinion:

The End of Racism as we know it.
Fighting the system of Racism.

I will have more soon...or someone else come up with better ideas!

Clyde Coger

03-06-2009, 08:56 AM

Progress Report

The GroupThink Project-Group held it’s 19th meeting, March 5, 2009. The (GT) meeting was promptly called at 10:00 AM Eastern and concluded at 11:00 AM Eastern. In attendance and on the mic for GT were brown_hornet, and Clyde C. Coger, Jr. Family members in attendance were oldiesman, paul shields and Remby. During the last 15 minutes or so, member paul shields got on the mic and expressed his support and offered his help with making Destee.com the best site for black people. GT member A007 inputted two (2) new titles, The End of Racism as we know it and Fighting the system of Racism, which increases the list to ten (10) titles received. Without a quorum membership present, discussion flowed accordingly:

All principle players involved with getting the newsletter/magazine project going remain positive, engaged, and in high gear. It has been decided to begin taking steps toward securing a T-Shirt manufacturer, preferably in-house, we will not got outside unless one cannot be found here at Destee. Materials for the publication are fast approaching sensitive levels, demanding a degree of privacy. Steps will be taken at securing whatever privacy we can right here on site.

All active GT members are being asked to help bump the following threads:

The Call To Action (Destee.com Competition)

Calling All Graphics Designers & Distributors.

These threads are packed with solicitation to all Family members having the necessary skill sets needed which covers the projected marketing strategies.

Starting with the basic agenda, our work, to determine consensus-based resolutions, has begun. We need to weight in on the INTRODUCTION: Why Studying the Origins of Racism is Helpful to our People, and the questions: What is Racism? What is and isn't Racism? and Definitions of Racism (http://destee.com/forums/showpost.php?p=541305&postcount=51). The ideal approach for consensus reaching is over the mic, however, your input at the Reports/Feedback thread also accomplishes this task. This first step is a very significant one, and will lay the foundation for the book.

(All current active members of GT are encouraged to provide input to the above on or before our next meeting, March 12, 2009 @ 9:00AM Central, by posting here to the Reports/Feedback thread).

kemetkind

03-06-2009, 09:53 PM

This is so positive and encouraging to see! Keep fighting the good fight Mr. Coger.

I will definitely find ways to assist and contribute to this effort!

Clyde Coger

03-12-2009, 09:29 PM

Progress Report

The GroupThink Project-Group held it’s 20th meeting, March 12, 2009. The (GT) meeting was promptly called at 10:00 AM Eastern and concluded at 11:00 AM Eastern. In attendance and on the mic for GT were brown_hornet, A007, and Clyde C. Coger, Jr. Family members in attendance were lilpea and Da Street So’ja. And also, appearing just shortly after the meeting concluded was our dearly beloved, SeekingMaat, keep in mind the juggling it takes to coordinate time schedules between London and Mobile, Alabama, a super effort, nonetheless. One of Destee.com strongest brothers, Kemetkind, stopped by the GT forum and gave encouragement, which was deeply felt by all GT members and valuably appreciated.

According to all reports it looks very promising for the Destee.comNewsletter to be here before we know it, the ball is rolling fast. Our thread calling for in-house T-Shirt manufacturers was posted and bumped to the Community; so far, A007 may be in contact with a possible candidate. Although it is important to stay in-house, meaning Family members first, it is equally important to get started, please, any Family member with T-Shirt making capabilities, step forward as quickly as possible. The press is now on to select a T-Shirt style and to canvass for the probable number of orders. Attempts to secure private site accommodations of our sensitive book material will continue.

Concerning the Title Selection Competition, we are near to determining a fair process by which this will be done. Destee will share a major role in the final selection, and the GT-Group may act as tiebreaker, if need be. Nevertheless, we are certain the process will be an amiable one. Our continued joint effort remains as follows:

All active GT members are being asked to help bump the following threads:

The Call To Action (Destee.com Competition)

Calling All Graphics Designers & Distributors.

These threads are packed with solicitation to all Family members having the necessary skill sets needed which covers the projected marketing strategies.

Starting with the basic agenda, our work, to determine consensus-based resolutions, has begun. We need to weight in on the INTRODUCTION: Why Studying the Origins of Racism is Helpful to our People, and the questions: What is Racism? What is and isn't Racism? and Definitions of Racism (http://destee.com/forums/showpost.php?p=541305&postcount=51). The ideal approach for consensus reaching is over the mic, however, your input at the Reports/Feedback thread also accomplishes this task. This first step is a very significant one, and will lay the foundation for the book.

(All current active members of GT are encouraged to provide input to the above on or before our next meeting, March 19, 2009 @ 9:00AM Central, by posting here to the Reports/Feedback thread).

Clyde Coger

03-21-2009, 11:50 AM

Progress Report

The GroupThink Project-Group held it’s 21st meeting, March 19, 2009. The (GT) meeting was promptly called at 10:00 AM Eastern and concluded at 11:00 AM Eastern. In attendance and on the mic for GT were brown_hornet, A007, phynxofkmt and Clyde C. Coger, Jr. Family members in attendance were queentswana and Da Street So’ja. Also, join me in welcoming back Sister Writspirit to Destee after having some serious computer problems.

Our Sweet Sister Zulile has completed a first draft of the Destee.comNewsletter, and forwarded it to GT for a casual review. And as usual, this will be an edition that all of the Destee.com Community Family will be proud of, guaranteed. Sister phynxofkmt has stepped up and offers to solicit the Canadian market for T-Shirt manufacturers, etc… At the moment, A007’s possible candidate to manufacture the T-Shirt is on hold. While the press for a T-Shirt style continues, this press will be enhanced when the Newsletter becomes more apparent.

To say the least, it was a glorious occasion to have four (4) out of five (5) standing members of GT on the mic and reaching consensus based resolutions in accordance with our planned goals. More than anything, it is simply beautiful when we come together on behalf of our people and work toward closing the gap and tarring downing walls. And to the Sisters of the Destee Community Family, sister phynxofkmt, as well as sister SeekingMaat are representing very well.

Extensive discussion was held concerning our homegrown publication from its birth to its ending. The Group appears to be in concert with the overall intent and purpose of the material. So, the press is on, certainly, for its completion.

Our continued joint effort remains as follows:

All active GT members are being asked to help bump the following threads:

The Call To Action (Destee.com Competition)

Calling All Graphics Designers & Distributors.

These threads are packed with solicitation to all Family members having the necessary skill sets needed which covers the projected marketing strategies.

Starting with the basic agenda, our work, to determine consensus-based resolutions, has begun. We need to weight in on the INTRODUCTION: Why Studying the Origins of Racism is Helpful to our People, and the questions: What is Racism? What is and isn't Racism? and Definitions of Racism (http://destee.com/forums/showpost.php?p=541305&postcount=51). The ideal approach for consensus reaching is over the mic, however, your input at the Reports/Feedback thread also accomplishes this task. This first step is a very significant one, and will lay the foundation for the book.

(All current active members of GT are encouraged to provide input to the above on or before our next meeting, March 26, 2009 @ 9:00AM Central, by posting here to the Reports/Feedback thread).

Clyde Coger

03-27-2009, 05:53 PM

Progress Report

The GroupThink Project-Group held it’s 22nd meeting, March 26, 2009. The (GT) meeting was promptly called at 10:00 AM Eastern and concluded at 11:00 AM Eastern. In attendance and on the mic for GT were brown_hornet, A007, phynxofkmt and Clyde C. Coger, Jr. Family members in attendance were queentswana, Da Street So’ja and oldiesman.

Promising info continues to come in on the development of the Newsletter, and hats off to our sweet sister Zulile and others for a magnificent first edition of multi pages. Sister phynxofkmt has found a possible T-Shirt set-up with Zazzle.com and will have the costs by our next meeting. A007 re-established connections with his contact and will also bring those costs to our next meeting. So far there are pre-order obligations and a one-time set-up fee of 75.00 dollars associated with the Memphis (A007) connection. Brother brown_hOrnet will pursue Vista Print making this truly a comparative analysis situation. We will go with the most cost effective T-Shirt program between the three (3) sources. Family members are still encouraged to take on this task of T-Shirt production and distribution. At present, brown_hOrnet and phynxofkmt are penning source material for the homegrown publication.

After extensive discussion, it was agreed to invite Sister Destee to our next meeting. Our efforts are aggressively approaching the point where some tactical and sensitive issues need resolving by our beloved, Destee. Some of these issues are storefront allocations, use of the front page for quick and complete Community involvement concerning matters of selections/choices and pricing and distribution of the Newsletter and T-Shirts.

Our continued joint effort remains as follows:

All active GT members are being asked to help bump the following threads:

The Call To Action (Destee.com Competition)

Calling All Graphics Designers & Distributors.

These threads are packed with solicitation to all Family members having the necessary skill sets needed which covers the projected marketing strategies.

Starting with the basic agenda, our work, to determine consensus-based resolutions, has begun. We need to weight in on the INTRODUCTION: Why Studying the Origins of Racism is Helpful to our People, and the questions: What is Racism? What is and isn't Racism? and Definitions of Racism (http://destee.com/forums/showpost.php?p=541305&postcount=51). The ideal approach for consensus reaching is over the mic, however, your input at the Reports/Feedback thread also accomplishes this task. This first step is a very significant one, and will lay the foundation for the book.

(All current active members of GT are encouraged to provide input to the above on or before our next meeting, April 2, 2009 @ 9:00AM Central, by posting here to the Reports/Feedback thread).

Clyde Coger

04-02-2009, 12:11 AM

This is so positive and encouraging to see! Keep fighting the good fight Mr. Coger.

I will definitely find ways to assist and contribute to this effort!

kemetkind,

Again, thank you so much Kemetkind for those kind words. I did leave an immediate response on your profile page, just wanted you know this post was not overlooked...Peace In

A007

04-02-2009, 11:37 PM

In accordance with what was discussed in the Group_Think meeting today we are to establish a couple of dates for the purpose of goal oriented progress that can be messured.

The first deadline facing us is the deadline to have all possible T-shirt vendors and prices in by April 23 which is the 4 Thursday in April. This will allow us the opportunity to come to a consencous and move forward with the ordering of the T-shirts.

The second deadline will be the submissions of each of our areas as it pertains to the publication. These submissions may be rough drafts and/or incomplete because they are mostly for consideration by the members and a way of mesuring our progress towards getting an actual publication done. The deadline for this will be April 30. This is the last Thursday of the month. If there are any questions, comments, or concerns please contact me @ Waterwurksmedia@yahoo.com.

Peace and love.

Clyde Coger

04-03-2009, 05:48 PM

Progress Report

The GroupThink Project-Group held it’s 23rd meeting, April 2, 2009. The (GT) meeting was promptly called at 10:00 AM Eastern and concluded at 11:00 AM Eastern. In attendance and on the mic for GT were brown_hornet, A007, and Clyde C. Coger, Jr. Family members in attendance were Destee, Remby, queentswana, and ms pretty thing.

With the newsletter in production, so to speak, our main focus centered on jump-starting the T-Shirt program. The Vista Print proposal becomes the highlight as presented by brown_hOrnet. So far Vista appears to be the most economical to date, however, a combination scheme in conjunction with Zazzle.com (phynxofkmt), the Memphis Connection (A007), and possibly our brother Nasheed’s mother, could be a viable option. At any rate GT members feel confident that in short order, T-Shirts will be available.

Sister Destee has agreed to provide the GroupThink Project-Group with a private forum of protection for sensitive material relating to the published document. Also, for quick solicitation purposes, Destee will open up the front page of the Site. As we move closer to purchase options, orders, etc…this tool becomes invaluable, pending choice banners of high standards.

Related basic agenda items received input from brother A007’s push for deadline dates. It is on the table for consensus based resolution that GT members set up target dates to receive submissions or rough drafts, complete or incomplete, of the home grown manuscript by April 30th. Also, the push is on for submitting a deadline date of April 23 for vendors and T-Shirt prices. All GT members please provide your input on these items by our next scheduled meeting of April 9, 2009.

To review the Vista Plan: http://destee.com/forums/showpost.php?p=577187&postcount=19

To review the Deadlines: http://destee.com/forums/showpost.php?p=577395&postcount=109

Our continued joint effort remains as follows:

All active GT members are being asked to help bump the following threads:

The Call To Action (Destee.com Competition)

Calling All Graphics Designers & Distributors.

These threads are packed with solicitation to all Family members having the necessary skill sets needed which covers the projected marketing strategies.

Starting with the basic agenda, our work, to determine consensus-based resolutions, has begun. We need to weight in on the INTRODUCTION: Why Studying the Origins of Racism is Helpful to our People, and the questions: What is Racism? What is and isn't Racism? and Definitions of Racism (http://destee.com/forums/showpost.php?p=541305&postcount=51). The ideal approach for consensus reaching is over the mic, however, your input at the Reports/Feedback thread also accomplishes this task. This first step is a very significant one, and will lay the foundation for the book.

(All current active members of GT are encouraged to provide input to the above on or before our next meeting, April 9, 2009 @ 9:00AM Central, by posting here to the Reports/Feedback thread).

$$RICH$$

04-08-2009, 08:32 PM

Great work family !!!
I can feel the good spirit of this project.

phynxofkmt

04-10-2009, 02:19 PM

Good Afternoon Fam,

Sorry I missed you yesterday, I will be there next Thursday, but I want to update you with my report.
The brother I spoke is Mr. Trevor Wright, and he owned his merchandise printing company for 22 years, but took time off to do a real estate project back home in Jamaica. Needless to say he decided to return and reopen his business which he only did 2 weeks ago. It took me some time to locate him because I had an old address and phone number for his business, so I had to tunnel through a network to find him at home.

The bottom line is this:

There is a setup cost per graphic and it depends on how many colors are on the tee shirt.

There is no minimum order

The more colors the higher the price,

The higher quantity, the lower cost per unit

Turn around time is 2 - 3 weeks.

So, before I book time to go and see the merchandise and inspect the material, I thought that I would confirm how many graphics we planned to use, (I'll negotiation the setup costs) and confirm the amount of colors used in them. I can meet with him possibly next wednesday or thursday.

My baby is jumping all over my lap, making computer work kinda hard right now, but I'll check out the meeting info from yesterday and await everyone's reply

Clyde Coger

04-10-2009, 10:16 PM

Progress Report

The GroupThink Project-Group held it’s 24th meeting, April 9, 2009. The (GT) meeting was promptly called at 10:00 AM Eastern and concluded at 11:00 AM Eastern. In attendance and on the mic for GT were brown_hornet, ang-EL and Clyde C. Coger, Jr. Family members in attendance were Da Street So’ja, Remby, KWABENA and oldiesman.

After April 15th, Mario (1999) will be available to spend time ramping up the perpetual newsletter, in addition, Sister VIDALIFE; will also work with Sister Zulile toward that goal. With the newsletter in production, so to speak, our main focus continues to be jump-starting the T-Shirt program. Family members have begun to inquire about T-Shirts and some are anxious to promote Destee.com in a big way, thank you Bro $$RICH$$ for posting those questions to the feedback thread. Brother brown_hOrnet’s mother is providing a black business glossary that can be uploaded on the Internet. This will enable our Community to participate in the Ebony Experiment.

GT members, thanks to Sister Destee, the GroupThink Project-Group now has a private forum, which is located beneath our regular forum on the index page. Feel free to post or deposit sensitive materials in this private forum. Destee has also agreed to allow banners and matters of solicitations on the front page of the Site. All such postings must meet Destee’s approval.

Related basic agenda items were discussed but without the necessary quorum to reach any consensus based resolutions. A007’s push for deadline dates will be address by our next regular schedule meeting. It was decided to slow down our forward thrust, and concentrate on determining a winner in the book Title selection program. Our primary focus at this point should go in the direction of the Newsletter, T-Shirts and selecting a book Title, which awards the winner with 3 mos. of Premium Membership.

To review the Vista Plan: http://destee.com/forums/showpost.php?p=577187&postcount=19

To review the Deadlines: http://destee.com/forums/showpost.php?p=577395&postcount=109

Our continued joint effort remains as follows:

All active GT members are being asked to help bump the following threads:

The Call To Action (Destee.com Competition)

Calling All Graphics Designers & Distributors.

These threads are packed with solicitation to all Family members having the necessary skill sets needed which covers the projected marketing strategies.

Starting with the basic agenda, our work, to determine consensus-based resolutions, has begun. We need to weight in on the INTRODUCTION: Why Studying the Origins of Racism is Helpful to our People, and the questions: What is Racism? What is and isn't Racism? and Definitions of Racism (http://destee.com/forums/showpost.php?p=541305&postcount=51). The ideal approach for consensus reaching is over the mic, however, your input at the Reports/Feedback thread also accomplishes this task. This first step is a very significant one, and will lay the foundation for the book.

(All current active members of GT are encouraged to provide input to the above on or before our next meeting, April 16, 2009 @ 9:00 AM Central, by posting here to the Reports/Feedback thread).

Clyde Coger

04-17-2009, 04:03 PM

Progress Report

The GroupThink Project-Group held it’s 25th meeting, April 16, 2009. The (GT) meeting was promptly called at 10:00 AM Eastern and concluded at 11:00 AM Eastern. In attendance and on the mic for GT were brown_hornet, phynxofkmt and Clyde C. Coger, Jr. Family members in attendance were Remby, queentswana, lilpea and Kromedragon.

All programs and goals are still on target. GroupThink is narrowing in on a successful T-Shirt program, the newsletter is fast becoming a reality and source material for the homegrown publication continues in the forward stage, in spite of attendance and quorum requirements for consensus based resolutions, somewhat untenable.

Related basic agenda items were discussed with an understanding to push away from the issue of racism, the degree to which our focus strays from the mental liberation of our people, kudos to sister phynxofkmt for raising the issue. Unfortunately, deadlines dates, as depicted by A007 were not discussed nor a consensus reached, and is automatically tabled for the next meeting. GT understands its need to slow down our forward thrust, and concentrate on determining a winner in the book Title selection program. Our primary focus at this point should go in the direction of the Newsletter, T-Shirts and selecting a book Title, which awards the winner with 3 mos. of Premium Membership.

The T-Shirt Program and Deadlines

To review the Vista Plan: http://destee.com/forums/showpost.php?p=577187&postcount=19

To review the Deadlines: http://destee.com/forums/showpost.php?p=577395&postcount=109

Our continued joint effort remains as follows:

All active GT members are being asked to help bump the following threads:

The Call To Action (Destee.com Competition)

Calling All Graphics Designers & Distributors.

These threads are packed with solicitation to all Family members having the necessary skill sets needed which covers the projected marketing strategies.

Starting with the basic agenda, our work, to determine consensus-based resolutions, has begun. We need to weight in on the INTRODUCTION: Why Studying the Origins of Racism is Helpful to our People, and the questions: What is Racism? What is and isn't Racism? and Definitions of Racism (http://destee.com/forums/showpost.php?p=541305&postcount=51). The ideal approach for consensus reaching is over the mic, however, your input at the Reports/Feedback thread also accomplishes this task. This first step is a very significant one, and will lay the foundation for the book.

(All current active members of GT are encouraged to provide input to the above on or before our next meeting, April 23, 2009 @ 9:00 AM Central, by posting here to the Reports/Feedback thread).

A007

04-21-2009, 09:48 AM

I am writing to let all GT members know that I will no longer be participating in the GT project as an active member. Please accept my apology for any and all inconvenience my resigning may cause. I am optimistic that you will continue without falter and succeed beyond measure. The reason for my departure is somewhat personal and no doubt incendiary, so I will not post it here in order that there are no hard feelings left behind. If the group still would like my chapter as an addendum (The Origin of Racism) then I will be more than happy to supply it when called upon. You all have by best wishes, support, and love. Thanks for the opportunity.

Peace and Love,

A007

Clyde Coger

04-21-2009, 11:42 AM

....Forgive Me...and we do, at least I certainly do...

I am writing to let all GT members know that I will no longer be participating in the GT project as an active member. Please accept my apology for any and all inconvenience my resigning may cause. I am optimistic that you will continue without falter and succeed beyond measure. The reason for my departure is somewhat personal and no doubt incendiary, so I will not post it here in order that there are no hard feelings left behind. If the group still would like my chapter as an addendum (The Origin of Racism) then I will be more than happy to supply it when called upon. You all have by best wishes, support, and love. Thanks for the opportunity.

Peace and Love,

A007

A007,

Be assured that the issue of your addendum will be addressed in Thursday's meeting...and Peace to you my brother friend, for real.

Clyde Coger

04-24-2009, 07:04 PM

Progress Report

The GroupThink Project-Group held it’s 26th meeting, April 23, 2009. The (GT) meeting was promptly called at 10:00 AM Eastern and concluded at 11:00 AM Eastern. In attendance and on the mic for GT were brown_hornet, and Clyde C. Coger, Jr. Family members in attendance were Remby, queentswana, and ru2relgious.

Our meeting mainly focused on getting the Destee.comNewsletter up and running, with the advent of servers and Hostnames provided by 1999 (Mario). The dedication of ru2religious was simple invaluable, from working late night and making the morning meeting, in order to explain to GT the various possibilities and depth of services offered my bro. Mario. Without ru2relgious and his expertise as a web designer, himself, it was near impossible. Bro. ru2religious will continue to help with NAS (network attachment storage device) set up as well. Because these questions from sister phynxofkmt are quite relevant, they will be addressed here and now:

Questions:
Good Evening Brother Clyde,

I saw the newsletter via the link you sent. Thank you for keeping me in
the loop. Can you clarify for me a few things about the publication?
Is this a final copy? If so, are they excerpts from the threads put into a newsletter format?

Will this be converted to a downloadable pdf file, or is to remain online?

The logo is good (the hand around the D is cool) and the fonts are clean and crisp to read which is good, and good size choice as well.

The screen resolution if it's meant to be read online, can it be readjusted so there is no horizontal scrolling?

Can the editors do another spell and grammar check before publishing?

p.p.s - have you heard anything further from Mama Destee regarding the website and using a template to redesign it?

Answers:
What is available for review was not the final copy, in fact, Zulile is attempting to forward to GT the entire source for review, and it was explained that serious editing had not taken place at this time. Also, sister VIDALIFE will be assisting Zulile with the editing function.

Yes, it will be downloadable, online and uploaded to e-mail database, and the expectation of print and distribution. On the issue of front page templates and redesigns, there was no discussion, however, the understanding is that Destee will consider changes that are submitted through our private forum, my point was for GT to reach consensus on what to submit, whenever the quorum is present, which was not the case in this meeting.

Brother Clyde,

My contact here in Calgary, has not returned to me with a quote and for all intensive purposes it's probably more efficient if you get someone in the U.S to produce them because there will be shipping charges that I'm sure will tip the scales financially in the bid. I wish you and the other GT members great success in the project.

Answer/Reply:
Very good point phynxofkmt, and thanks for making our final selection somewhat easier.

Our brother A007 submitted the following:
Forgive Me.

I am writing to let all GT members know that I will no longer be participating in the GT project as an active member. Please accept my apology for any and all inconvenience my resigning may cause. I am optimistic that you will continue without falter and succeed beyond measure. The reason for my departure is somewhat personal and no doubt incendiary, so I will not post it here in order that there are no hard feelings left behind. If the group still would like my chapter as an addendum (The Origin of Racism) then I will be more than happy to supply it when called upon. You all have by best wishes, support, and love. Thanks for the opportunity.

Peace and Love,

A007

GT discussed accepting A007’s resignation and also accepting his Addendum to the Question: What is the Origin of Racism, for publication within GT guidelines.

Related basic agenda items were discussed with an understanding that a request for materials from A007, in view of his resignation, and in conjunction with his proposed deadlines dates, would be requested, as well as whether or not his source contact in the T-Shirt program remained available to GT. All remaining items, determining a winner in the book Title selection program, T-Shirts and selecting a book Title, which awards the winner with 3 mos. of Premium Membership, are held in abeyance until our next schedule meeting.

The T-Shirt Program and Deadlines

To review the Vista Plan: http://destee.com/forums/showpost.php?p=577187&postcount=19

To review the Deadlines: http://destee.com/forums/showpost.php?p=577395&postcount=109

Our continued joint effort remains as follows:

All active GT members are being asked to help bump the following threads:

The Call To Action (Destee.com Competition)

Calling All Graphics Designers & Distributors.

These threads are packed with solicitation to all Family members having the necessary skill sets needed which covers the projected marketing strategies.

Starting with the basic agenda, our work, to determine consensus-based resolutions, has begun. We need to weight in on the INTRODUCTION: Why Studying the Origins of Racism is Helpful to our People, and the questions: What is Racism? What is and isn't Racism? and Definitions of Racism (http://destee.com/forums/showpost.php?p=541305&postcount=51). The ideal approach for consensus reaching is over the mic, however, your input at the Reports/Feedback thread also accomplishes this task. This first step is a very significant one, and will lay the foundation for the book.

(All current active members of GT are encouraged to provide input to the above on or before our next meeting, April 30, 2009 @ 9:00 AM Central, by posting here to the Reports/Feedback thread).

Clyde Coger

05-01-2009, 10:09 PM

Progress Report

The GroupThink Project-Group held it’s 27th meeting, April 30, 2009. The (GT) meeting was promptly called at 10:00 AM Eastern and concluded at 11:00 AM Eastern. In attendance and on the mic for GT were brown_hornet, ang-EL and Clyde C. Coger, Jr. Family members in attendance were KWABENA, Remby, queentswana, saglifesaw and oldiesman.

In addition to the previous weeks update report, the following questions will be addressed by Mario (1999), as well as setting up a video/phone conference with key players for input to the Newsletter:

Space capacity of the Server
Whether the Server is dedicated
How many can upload to the Server
How much info can be uploaded

Our brother ang-EL, an original member of GT, made a pledge of re-dedication to the aspiring goals of GT, and this comes in the wake of two departing members. Overall our meeting centered on cohesiveness of purpose and commitment to get the job done. A very encouraging meeting, with insight to the willingness of members like Monetary and Kemetstry, that are ready to help with the distribution of the Newsletter, according to KWABENA. Pending the availability of the necessary quorum for consensus-based resolutions, basic agenda were automatically tabled.

Related basic agenda items were discussed with an understanding that a request for materials from A007, in view of his resignation, and in conjunction with his proposed deadlines dates, would be requested, as well as whether or not his source contact in the T-Shirt program remained available to GT. All remaining items, determining a winner in the book Title selection program, T-Shirts and selecting a book Title, which awards the winner with 3 mos. of Premium Membership, are held in abeyance until our next schedule meeting.

The T-Shirt Program and Deadlines
To review the Vista Plan: http://destee.com/forums/showpost.php?p=577187&postcount=19

Our continued joint effort remains as follows:

Starting with the basic agenda, our work, to determine consensus-based resolutions, has begun. We need to weight in on the INTRODUCTION: Why Studying the Origins of Racism is Helpful to our People, and the questions: What is Racism? What is and isn't Racism? and Definitions of Racism (http://destee.com/forums/showpost.php?p=541305&postcount=51). The ideal approach for consensus reaching is over the mic, however, your input at the Reports/Feedback thread also accomplishes this task. This first step is a very significant one, and will lay the foundation for the book.

(All current active members of GT are encouraged to provide input to the above on or before our next meeting, May 7, 2009 @ 9:00 AM Central, by posting here to the Reports/Feedback thread).

Clyde Coger

05-07-2009, 06:55 PM

Progress Report

The GroupThink Project-Group held it’s 28th meeting, May 7, 2009. The (GT) meeting was promptly called at 10:00 AM Eastern and concluded at 11:00 AM Eastern. In attendance and on the mic for GT were brown_hornet, and Clyde C. Coger, Jr. Family members in attendance were Remby, and saglifesaw.

GT is proud to announce that sister phynxofkmt has re-dedicated her involvement with the group, along with providing very hard work toward closing in on a viable T-Shirt Program. Not only is this sister working diligently, but also seeds planted, are evidenced by the recent information submitted and received from family member, theeory. The website, www.joomla.org , will play into the Internet Mall concept, as visioned by GT. Bro. ru2religious is exploring the site for its suitableness of purpose. If sister phynxofkmt will agree, the final quote of silkscreener, forthcoming, can and will secure a distribution point for our overseas Family, thus reducing extra shipping costs, in either direction. Thinking globally, this would be the proper move rather than shipping from America aboard. In addition, GT is leaning toward using Vista for the purchase and distribution of White T-Shirts here at stateside. All T-Shirts proposals should be concluded by next meeting, prompting our submission to Destee, to modify the Front Page in order to solicit family, guests and ghosts for projected purchases, which will help seal price quotes.

Concerning Destee.comNews, sweet Zulile has informed GT that she no longer maintains an interest in the newsletter. Sisters Vidalife, as well as Writspirit will be asked to step up and become editor and co-editor, in order to finish the newsletter, since GT identifies this communication tool as significant and necessary in the mental liberation of our people, the chief cornerstone of the GT concept.

More than anyone, GT understands the current mantra, One Step Away From Greatness, and seeks to do its part in making it happen, and likewise, reaches out to the Family to support the efforts of the GroupThink Project-Group.

Related basic agenda items were discussed with an understanding that a request for materials from A007, in view of his resignation, and in conjunction with his proposed deadlines dates, would be requested, as well as whether or not his source contact in the T-Shirt program remained available to GT. All remaining items, determining a winner in the book Title selection program, T-Shirts and selecting a book Title, which awards the winner with 3 mos. of Premium Membership, and the addendum question, are held in abeyance until our next schedule meeting.

The T-Shirt Program
To review the Vista Plan: http://destee.com/forums/showpost.php?p=577187&postcount=19

Our continued joint effort remains as follows:

All active GT members are being asked to help bump the following threads:

The Call To Action (Destee.com Competition)

Calling All Graphics Designers & Distributors.

These threads are packed with solicitation to all Family members having the necessary skill sets needed which covers the projected marketing strategies.

Starting with the basic agenda, our work, to determine consensus-based resolutions, has begun. We need to weight in on the INTRODUCTION: Why Studying the Origins of Racism is Helpful to our People, and the questions: What is Racism? What is and isn't Racism? and Definitions of Racism (http://destee.com/forums/showpost.php?p=541305&postcount=51). The ideal approach for consensus reaching is over the mic, however, your input at the Reports/Feedback thread also accomplishes this task. This first step is a very significant one, and will lay the foundation for the book.

(All current active members of GT are encouraged to provide input to the above on or before our next meeting, May 14, 2009 @ 9:00 AM Central, by posting here to the Reports/Feedback thread).

Clyde Coger

05-15-2009, 04:05 PM

Progress Report

The GroupThink Project-Group held it’s 29th meeting, May 14, 2009. The (GT) meeting was promptly called at 10:00 AM Eastern and concluded at 10:45 AM Eastern. In attendance and on the mic for GT were brown_hornet, and Clyde C. Coger, Jr. Family members in attendance were Remby, queentswana and saglifesaw.

In the absence of Brother Mario (1999), efforts to launch Destee.comNews will continue. Our brother ru2religious will be called upon to take up the slack, along with Sister VIDALIFE willingness to become editor-in-chief of the newsletter. The push is so strong for a perpetual communication tool among Black People, both inside and outside of Destee, until outside resources, if necessary, will not be considered off-limits.

On the T-Shirt program, points of distribution and inventory control, if necessary, loom critical, as we get closer to launching this goal. Solicitation of Family members to generate interest and orders will be forthcoming as Sister Destee looks over our intent and authorizes such front-page exposure of the Site. In addition, GT will begin a sense of privacy as we work out the kinks and cost of the T-Shirt launch, by utilizing its Private Forum. This first meeting ended with a 15 minutes question and answer session with Brother Saglifesaw.

A Second meeting, a GT first, was arranged and called through a sense of urgency projected by sister phynxofkmt. GT re-assembled around 1:00 PM Central time and met for about 30 minutes. The results of the impromptu meeting sounded the alarm for a business proposal to govern the T-Shirt program and the re-arranging of GT’s current schedule. As it is the business of the GroupThink Project-Group, accommodations and issues are always settled through consensus based resolutions and affirmed by the present quorum of three (3).

Related basic agendas outstanding are:…an understanding that a request for materials from A007, in view of his resignation, and in conjunction with his proposed deadlines dates, would be requested, as well as whether or not his source contact in the T-Shirt program remained available to GT. All remaining items, determining a winner in the book Title selection program, T-Shirts and selecting a book Title, which awards the winner with 3 mos. of Premium Membership, and the addendum question, are held in abeyance until our next schedule meeting.

The T-Shirt Program
To review the Vista Plan: http://destee.com/forums/showpost.php?p=577187&postcount=19

Our continued joint effort remains as follows:

All active GT members are being asked to help bump the following threads:

The Call To Action (Destee.com Competition)

Calling All Graphics Designers & Distributors.

These threads are packed with solicitation to all Family members having the necessary skill sets needed which covers the projected marketing strategies.

Starting with the basic agenda, our work, to determine consensus-based resolutions, has begun. We need to weight in on the INTRODUCTION: Why Studying the Origins of Racism is Helpful to our People, and the questions: What is Racism? What is and isn't Racism? and Definitions of Racism (http://destee.com/forums/showpost.php?p=541305&postcount=51). The ideal approach for consensus reaching is over the mic, however, your input at the Reports/Feedback thread also accomplishes this task. This first step is a very significant one, and will lay the foundation for the book.

(All current active members of GT are encouraged to provide input to the above on or before our next meeting, (Pending), by posting here to the Reports/Feedback thread).

phynxofkmt

05-15-2009, 04:16 PM

Clyde Coger

05-15-2009, 04:33 PM

I have taken the time to visit the Vista website and make a phone call to the supplier directly. The prices that are listed in the thread are no longer available. Please see the website for the regular prices.

http://www.vistaprint.com/t-shirts.aspx?xnav=TsrItem&xnid=aTShirtsPromotion+%26+Events&dng=Promotion+%26+Events

Good work phynxofkmt, better still would you PM ditto this same info to Brother brown, since he is pursuing Vista, this should save him a big headache, Peace In my sister friend, for real.

$$RICH$$

05-15-2009, 07:26 PM

Thankz for the updates here ...

Clyde Coger

05-19-2009, 10:48 AM

Thankz for the updates here ...

You are very welcome bro $$RICH$$.

Clyde Coger

05-22-2009, 08:32 PM

Progress Report

The GroupThink Project-Group held it’s 29th meeting, May 21, 2009. The (GT) meeting was promptly called at 10:00 AM Eastern and concluded at 10:45 AM Eastern. In attendance and on the mic for GT were brown_hornet, and Clyde C. Coger, Jr. Family members in attendance were Remby, queentswana. Final 15 minutes open for questions and answers.

In this meeting, the main focus centered on ways in which Destee.comNews could be set up, and the needed preparation to go front page for solicitation for T-Shirt orders. Without the use of a designated server or computer, a link to the forum-based newsletter could very easily be mailed to members, until printing and outside distribution occurs. Based upon the advent of news worthy issues, such as, Africom, Somalia, Investments in Africa, Swine Flu and Ebony Experiment, just to name a few hot button topics, GT now acts with a sense of urgency to provide an unbiased approach toward the goal of mental liberation of our People.

On the T-Shirt program, sister phynxofkmt did her homework on Vista T-Shirts and reports an alteration in prices, which nullifies any business we conduct, thus scrapping them for now. Minus the necessary quorum, basic agenda items were tabled.

Related basic agenda outstanding are…an understanding that a request for materials from A007, in view of his resignation, and in conjunction with his proposed deadlines dates, would be requested, as well as whether or not his source contact in the T-Shirt program remained available to GT. All remaining items, determining a winner in the book Title selection program, T-Shirts and selecting a book Title, which awards the winner with 3 mos. of Premium Membership, and the addendum question, are held in abeyance until our next schedule meeting.

The T-Shirt Program
To review the Gildan Color Guide: http://destee.com/forums/showpost.php?p=585902&postcount=25

Our continued joint effort remains as follows:

All active GT members are being asked to help bump the following threads:

The Call To Action (Destee.com Competition)

Calling All Graphics Designers & Distributors.

These threads are packed with solicitation to all Family members having the necessary skill sets needed which covers the projected marketing strategies.

Starting with the basic agenda, our work, to determine consensus-based resolutions, has begun. We need to weight in on the INTRODUCTION: Why Studying the Origins of Racism is Helpful to our People, and the questions: What is Racism? What is and isn't Racism? and Definitions of Racism (http://destee.com/forums/showpost.php?p=541305&postcount=51). The ideal approach for consensus reaching is over the mic, however, your input at the Reports/Feedback thread also accomplishes this task. This first step is a very significant one, and will lay the foundation for the book.

(All current active members of GT are encouraged to provide input to the above on or before our next meeting, (May 28, 2009 @ 9:00 AM Central), by posting here to the Reports/Feedback thread).

Clyde Coger

05-29-2009, 12:42 PM

Progress Report

The GroupThink Project-Group held it’s 30th meeting, May 28, 2009. The (GT) meeting was promptly called at 10:00 AM Eastern and concluded at 10:45 AM Eastern. In attendance and on the mic for GT were brown_hornet, phynxofkmt, and Clyde C. Coger, Jr. Family member(s) in attendance was Remby.

Steps will be taken to secure the private forum, by quorum decision. Extensive dialogue concerning original plans of GT in terms of the purpose of having a T-Shirt program, etc… Overall, a healthy discussion surrounding the goals of GT and how these goals are interlocking with other site functions, pursued. Aspects of developing a business plan which recognizes the T-Shirt program as primary and more profit yielding is pending serious discussion pertaining to a series of questions brought to the table by sister phynxofkmt. Inseparable and inclusive is the need to also bring online, Destee.comNews. Sister phynxofkmt is in the balance of making critical domestic choices that may affect continual participation with GT; however, thread input, through Forum navigation, may settle the matter.

On newsletter related issues, brown_hOrnet will launch a new thread soliciting for contributors, as well as begin work on site front-page loading, test marketing the family’s level of interest in purchasing T-Shirt. This plan awaits consensus on the aforementioned series of questions.

Related basic agenda outstanding is…determining a winner and Title of the homegrown publication, which awards the winner with 3 mos. of Premium Membership.

The T-Shirt Program
To review the Gildan Color Guide, follow these directions: run the U.S - go to imprintables, then online catalogue, then tee-shirts, heavy cotton are the basic tees, ultra cotton 2700 are the mens tank, that will lead you to the right site: http://destee.com/forums/showpost.php?p=585902&postcount=25

Our continued joint effort remains as follows:

All active GT members are being asked to help bump the following threads:

The Call To Action (Destee.com Competition)

Calling All Graphics Designers & Distributors.

These threads are packed with solicitation to all Family members having the necessary skill sets needed which covers the projected marketing strategies.

Starting with the basic agenda, our work, to determine consensus-based resolutions, has begun. We need to weight in on the INTRODUCTION: Why Studying the Origins of Racism is Helpful to our People, and the questions: What is Racism? What is and isn't Racism? and Definitions of Racism (http://destee.com/forums/showpost.php?p=541305&postcount=51). The ideal approach for consensus reaching is over the mic, however, your input at the Reports/Feedback thread also accomplishes this task. This first step is a very significant one, and will lay the foundation for the book.

(All current active members of GT are encouraged to provide input to the above on or before our next meeting, (June 4, 2009 @ 9:00 AM Central), by posting here to the Reports/Feedback thread).

Clyde Coger

06-05-2009, 07:34 PM

Progress Report

The GroupThink Project-Group held it’s 31st meeting, June 4, 2009. The (GT) meeting was prevented due to technical difficulties with the Chat Room. In attendance for GT were brown_hornet, and Clyde C. Coger, Jr. Family members in attendance were Remby and queentswana. Big thanks to the sisters for their diligent efforts in attempt to restore the Chat Room.

Clyde Coger

06-12-2009, 10:17 PM

Progress Report

The GroupThink Project-Group held it’s 32nd meeting, June 11, 2009. The (GT) meeting was promptly called at 10:00 AM Eastern and concluded at 11:00 AM Eastern. In attendance for GT were brown_hornet, and Clyde C. Coger, Jr. Family member in attendance was Remby.

GT will take the necessary steps to gain approval from Sister Destee to conduct marketing analysis on the Site’s front page, or by the means to be determined. This marketing analysis will ask critical questions of the Community in reference to the T-Shirt program, seeking personal affects information such as graphic selection, choice of colors, size, quantity etc…

On the Destee.comNews project, Sister VIDALIFE has committed to be in attendance at GT’s next regularly scheduled meeting to work out the details of putting together our newsletter. Her position as editor fills a critical void, and will provide the necessary coordination to make happen one of the main goals of the Site and GroupThink, a perpetual newsletter. Steps will also be taken to reach brother ru2religious and solicit his expertise in web designing to assist in the design of Destee.comNews. Our meeting concluded having only one technical glitch with Chat Room resources.

Related basic agenda outstanding is…determining a winner and Title of the homegrown publication, which awards the winner with 3 mos. of Premium Membership.

The T-Shirt Program
To review the Gildan Color Guide: http://destee.com/forums/showpost.php?p=585902&postcount=25

Our continued joint effort remains as follows:

All active GT members are being asked to help bump the following threads:

The Call To Action (Destee.com Competition)

Calling All Graphics Designers & Distributors.

These threads are packed with solicitation to all Family members having the necessary skill sets needed which covers the projected marketing strategies.

Starting with the basic agenda, our work, to determine consensus-based resolutions, has begun. We need to weight in on the INTRODUCTION: Why Studying the Origins of Racism is Helpful to our People, and the questions: What is Racism? What is and isn't Racism? and Definitions of Racism (http://destee.com/forums/showpost.php?p=541305&postcount=51). The ideal approach for consensus reaching is over the mic, however, your input at the Reports/Feedback thread also accomplishes this task. This first step is a very significant one, and will lay the foundation for the book.

(All current active members of GT are encouraged to provide input to the above on or before our next meeting, (June 18, 2009 @ 9:00 AM Central), by posting here to the Reports/Feedback thread).

brown_h0rnet

06-21-2009, 05:45 AM

Progress Report

The GroupThink Project-Group held it’s 33th meeting, June 18, 2009. The (GT) meeting was promptly called at 10:00 AM Eastern and concluded at 11:15 AM Eastern. In attendance and on the mic for GT were brown_hornet, and VIDALIFE Family member(s) in attendance was Remby, Queentswana and saglifesaw.

Brotha Clyde_Coger was unable to attend the meeting do to technical difficulties (computer problems), but we look forward to having him at the next meeting.

The main focus in this meeting was the role that VIDALIFE (current editor) will play in putting together an ongoing online newsletter with GroupThink. Amongst other things discussed in the newsletter were content, raising revenue, advertising, getting contributions, newsletter content, delivery methods, and most importantly, our seriousness and long term commitment to this project.

VIDALIFE has agreed to put together a sample newsletter to submit to GT. Hopefully this can be a prototype for newsletters to come.

Groupthink will also continue to solicit the Destee.com family for contributers to the newsletter. GT will also seek to contact the queen Destee and work out method, frequency and delivery options on the newsletter.

Our continued joint effort remains as follows:

All active GT members are being asked to help bump the following threads:

The Call To Action (Destee.com Competition)

Calling All Graphics Designers & Distributors.

Calling All Web Designers

Calling on the Destee.com Family (solicitation for newsletter contributers)

These threads are packed with solicitation to all Family members having the necessary skill sets needed which covers the projected marketing strategies.

PEACE IN!

Clyde Coger

06-27-2009, 06:43 PM

Progress Report

The GroupThink Project-Group held it’s 34th meeting, June 25, 2009. The (GT) meeting was promptly called at 10:00 AM Eastern and concluded at 11:15 AM Eastern. In attendance for GT were brown_hornet, VIDALIFE, and Clyde C. Coger, Jr. Family member in attendance was Sister Destee.

In the absence of GT’s organizer, brother brown_hOrnet did a fine job in continuing all aspects of GT last week, and kept the ball rolling so to speak, in grand style.

The GroupThink Project-Group received from Sister Destee answers to the questions concerning front page loading for promotional purposes, newsletter solutions, and marketing T-Shirts. With VIDALIFE and Destee both present, discussion moved in very positive direction, and the principle players now better understand the mission, in spite of sister VIDALIFE being somewhat low sick, she found the strength.

Destee explained that because of what see witnesses from this group, her life long dream and vision of having a respectable newsletter would shortly become reality, and pledges to provide full personal and technical support toward its accomplishment.

On the T-Shirt program, a plan to in-house stock and resale will be worked out soon and shared with the Family; however, the immediate goal is to get Destee.comNews up and running first. Both programs and/or goals are very serious to Destee and GT, requiring careful planning at this stage.

Related basic agenda outstanding is…determining a winner and Title of the homegrown publication, which awards the winner 3 mos. of Premium Membership sponsored by GT.

The T-Shirt Program
To review the Gildan Color Guide: http://destee.com/forums/showpost.php?p=585902&postcount=25

Our continued joint effort remains as follows:

Starting with the basic agenda, our work, to determine consensus-based resolutions, has begun. We need to weight in on the INTRODUCTION: Why Studying the Origins of Racism is Helpful to our People, and the questions: What is Racism? What is and isn't Racism? and Definitions of Racism (http://destee.com/forums/showpost.php?p=541305&postcount=51). The ideal approach for consensus reaching is over the mic, however, your input at the Reports/Feedback thread also accomplishes this task. This first step is a very significant one, and will lay the foundation for the book.

(All current active members of GT are encouraged to provide input to the above on or before our next meeting, (July 02, 2009 @ 9:00 AM Central), by posting here to the Reports/Feedback thread).

Clyde Coger

07-09-2009, 06:51 PM

Progress Report

The GroupThink Project-Group attempted it’s 35th meeting, July 02, 2009. The (GT) meeting was cancelled due to Chat Room technical difficulties. In attendance for GT were brown_hornet, Tariq Muhammad and Clyde C. Coger, Jr.

Related basic agenda outstanding is…determining a winner and Title of the homegrown publication, which awards the winner 3 mos. of Premium Membership sponsored by GT.

The T-Shirt Program
To review the Gildan Color Guide: http://destee.com/forums/showpost.php?p=585902&postcount=25

Our continued joint effort remains as follows:

Starting with the basic agenda, our work, to determine consensus-based resolutions, has begun. We need to weight in on the INTRODUCTION: Why Studying the Origins of Racism is Helpful to our People, and the questions: What is Racism? What is and isn't Racism? and Definitions of Racism (http://destee.com/forums/showpost.php?p=541305&postcount=51). The ideal approach for consensus reaching is over the mic, however, your input at the Reports/Feedback thread also accomplishes this task. This first step is a very significant one, and will lay the foundation for the book.

(All current active members of GT are encouraged to provide input to the above on or before our next meeting, (July 09, 2009 @ 9:00 AM Central), by posting here to the Reports/Feedback thread).

Clyde Coger

07-14-2009, 12:46 PM

Progress Report

The GroupThink Project-Group held it’s 36th meeting, July 09, 2009. The (GT) meeting was promptly called at 10:00 AM Eastern and concluded at 11:00 AM Eastern. In attendance and on the mic for GT were brown_hornet, VIDALIFE, and Clyde C. Coger, Jr. Family members in attendance were Remby and saglifesaw.

After spending time going over the new Chat Room features, GT members devoted the entire meeting to discussing the layout of Destee.comNews. Editor VIDALIFE is confident about the newsletter, and the group shares that confidence. It promises to be a grand 1st edition. The current name, Destee.comNews will remain as long as it is Internet based. The group decided upon changing that name at the time the newsletter goes into print and distribution mode, which is just down the road. Sister VIDALIFE, by all accounts, has worked very hard on not just developing a mock document, and instead has created the first edition of Destee.comNews, which will be a treasure worth keeping.

Our pivotal focus rests with launching a successful, informative and perpetual newsletter, and somewhat places the T-Shirt program on the back burner, for now.

Related basic agenda outstanding is…determining a winner and Title of the homegrown publication, which awards the winner 3 mos. of Premium Membership sponsored by GT.

The T-Shirt Program
To review the Gildan Color Guide: http://destee.com/forums/showpost.php?p=585902&postcount=25

Our continued joint effort remains as follows:

Starting with the basic agenda, our work, to determine consensus-based resolutions, has begun. We need to weight in on the INTRODUCTION: Why Studying the Origins of Racism is Helpful to our People, and the questions: What is Racism? What is and isn't Racism? and Definitions of Racism (http://destee.com/forums/showpost.php?p=541305&postcount=51). The ideal approach for consensus reaching is over the mic, however, your input at the Reports/Feedback thread also accomplishes this task. This first step is a very significant one, and will lay the foundation for the book.

(All current active members of GT are encouraged to provide input to the above on or before our next meeting, (July 16, 2009 @ 9:00 AM Central), by posting here to the Reports/Feedback thread).

Clyde Coger

07-17-2009, 06:21 PM

Progress Report

The GroupThink Project-Group held it’s 37th meeting, July 16, 2009. The (GT) meeting was promptly called at 10:00 AM Eastern and concluded at 11:00 AM Eastern. In attendance and on the mic for GT were brown_hornet, WARRIOR and Clyde C. Coger, Jr. Family members in attendance were asimplepoet, Destee, queentswana, Remby and bro. saglifesaw.

As planned, our meeting developed different alternatives connected to a successful launch of Destee.comNews. We explored a variety of technological solutions that will provide a well-balanced approach to a viable newsletter that the Family will certainly appreciate.

Everyone in attendance is working quite hard, not to leave out editor Sister VIDALIFE and her diligent effort to get us to this point. We expect that soon and very soon our first edition will be readable by the entire Community. So far brother brown_hOrnet has the pleasure all himself.

Related basic agenda outstanding is…determining a winner and Title of the homegrown publication, which awards the winner 3 mos. of Premium Membership sponsored by GT.

The T-Shirt Program
To review the Gildan Color Guide: http://destee.com/forums/showpost.php?p=585902&postcount=25

Our continued joint effort remains as follows:

Starting with the basic agenda, our work, to determine consensus-based resolutions, has begun. We need to weight in on the INTRODUCTION: Why Studying the Origins of Racism is Helpful to our People, and the questions: What is Racism? What is and isn't Racism? and Definitions of Racism (http://destee.com/forums/showpost.php?p=541305&postcount=51). The ideal approach for consensus reaching is over the mic, however, your input at the Reports/Feedback thread also accomplishes this task. This first step is a very significant one, and will lay the foundation for the book.

(All current active members of GT are encouraged to provide input to the above on or before our next meeting, (July 23, 2009 @ 9:00 AM Central), by posting here to the Reports/Feedback thread).

Clyde Coger

07-30-2009, 11:41 AM

Progress Report

The GroupThink Project-Group held it’s 38th meeting, July 23, 2009. The 9GT) meeting was promptly called at 10:00 AM Eastern and concluded at 11:00 AM Eastern. In attendance and on the mic for GT was Clyde C. Coger, Jr. (brown_hOrnet was not mic'ed up). Family members in attendance were Destee, queentswana, and WARRIOR.

Conversion options from pub files to files having e-mail capabilities, largely consumed GT’s meeting time. PDFonline.com appears the way to go while we await the proper software. Hold on Family we are coming.

Related basic agenda outstanding is…determining a winner and Title of the homegrown publication, which awards the winner 3 mos. of Premium Membership sponsored by GT.

The T-Shirt Program
To review the Gildan Color Guide: http://destee.com/forums/showpost.php?p=585902&postcount=25

Our continued joint effort remains as follows:

Starting with the basic agenda, our work, to determine consensus-based resolutions, has begun. We need to weight in on the INTRODUCTION: Why Studying the Origins of Racism is Helpful to our People, and the questions: What is Racism? What is and isn't Racism? and Definitions of Racism (http://destee.com/forums/showpost.php?p=541305&postcount=51). The ideal approach for consensus reaching is over the mic, however, your input at the Reports/Feedback thread also accomplishes this task. This first step is a very significant one, and will lay the foundation for the book.

(All current active members of GT are encouraged to provide input to the above on or before our next meeting, (July 30, 2009 @ 9:00 AM Central), by posting here to the Reports/Feedback thread).

Clyde Coger

07-30-2009, 12:52 PM

Progress Report

The GroupThink Project-Group held it’s 39th meeting, July 30, 2009. The (GT) meeting was promptly called at 10:00 AM Eastern and concluded at 11:00 AM Eastern. In attendance and on the mic for GT were brown_hornet, VIDALIFE and Clyde C. Coger, Jr. Family members in attendance were queentswana and UPTOWNE.

Progress and understanding of the technical difficulties of conversion continues, but solutions to the problem are at step 2, if you will. The T-Shirt program was briefly discussed with the expectancy of samples to be received shortly. Bro. Tariq will be given the graphics currently suited as T-Shirt logos, as well.

Related basic agenda outstanding is…determining a winner and Title of the homegrown publication, which awards the winner 3 mos. of Premium Membership sponsored by GT.

The T-Shirt Program
To review the Gildan Color Guide: http://destee.com/forums/showpost.php?p=585902&postcount=25

Our continued joint effort remains as follows:

Starting with the basic agenda, our work, to determine consensus-based resolutions, has begun. We need to weight in on the INTRODUCTION: Why Studying the Origins of Racism is Helpful to our People, and the questions: What is Racism? What is and isn't Racism? and Definitions of Racism (http://destee.com/forums/showpost.php?p=541305&postcount=51). The ideal approach for consensus reaching is over the mic, however, your input at the Reports/Feedback thread also accomplishes this task. This first step is a very significant one, and will lay the foundation for the book.

(All current active members of GT are encouraged to provide input to the above on or before our next meeting, (August 7, 2009 @ 9:00 AM Central), by posting here to the Reports/Feedback thread).

Clyde Coger

08-06-2009, 12:15 PM

Progress Report

The GroupThink Project-Group held it’s 40th meeting, August 06, 2009. The (GT) meeting was promptly called at 10:00 AM Eastern and concluded at 11:00 AM Eastern. In attendance and on the mic for GT were brown_hornet, VIDALIFE, and Clyde C. Coger, Jr. Family members in attendance were Sister Destee, queentswana, Fine1952 (maybe by accident), and Tariq Muhammad.

As expected, Sister Destee was elated and in attendance reporting on how beautiful the first edition of Destee.comNews, by editor VIDALIFE, really is. There was extended conversation on would be copyright violations and how that aspect could affect certain articles, example, the AP article. After much discussion, the group reached a consensus based resolution that any article the editor deemed appropriate or newsworthy for our people, permission would be sought, up to and including a small fee paid for said article’s use. Again, we are so very close to getting the newsletter out to the Family, and big ups and ty’s to Brother WARRIOR, for his undying efforts. Brother brown_hOrnet spoke to the vision GT has for the perpetual newsletter. This vision includes, ultimately, print distribution, perhaps a newspaper, and eventually a magazine, as first recommended by Sister SeekingMaat. Of course this avant-garde experiment depends upon the acceptance of Sister Destee.

Bro. Tariq came to the mic and reported on receiving the graphics (Bro. MetaSaience’s) currently suited as T-Shirt logos, and indicates that said graphics didn’t seem to be a problem for the T-Shirt maker. Sister VIDALIFE also spoke and gave even deeper insight. Tariq desires that those that have been advised, forward to him by PM their sizes and graphics. This first wave of T-Shirts will be to set up storefront illustrations of what will be available to the Family and Visitors. For the record, Destee’s dream will come true, which is to receive a very jet black Tee with Destee.com (in small caps) on the very back, only… Peace and Blessings Family, and lets pray for the well-being of Sister Destee.

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Related basic agenda outstanding is…determining a winner and Title of the homegrown publication, which awards the winner 3 mos. of Premium Membership sponsored by GT.

The T-Shirt Program
To review the Gildan Color Guide: http://destee.com/forums/showpost.php?p=585902&postcount=25

Our continued joint effort remains as follows:

Starting with the basic agenda, our work, to determine consensus-based resolutions, has begun. We need to weight in on the INTRODUCTION: Why Studying the Origins of Racism is Helpful to our People, and the questions: What is Racism? What is and isn't Racism? and Definitions of Racism (http://destee.com/forums/showpost.php?p=541305&postcount=51). The ideal approach for consensus reaching is over the mic, however, your input at the Reports/Feedback thread also accomplishes this task. This first step is a very significant one, and will lay the foundation for the book.

(All current active members of GT are encouraged to provide input to the above on or before our next meeting, (August 13, 2009 @ 9:00 AM Central), by posting here to the Reports/Feedback thread).

WARRIOR

08-07-2009, 03:19 PM

Clyde Coger

08-15-2009, 02:42 PM

Progress Report

The GroupThink Project-Group held it’s 41st meeting, August 13, 2009. The (GT) meeting was promptly called at 10:00 AM Eastern and concluded at 11:00 AM Eastern. In attendance and on the mic for GT were brown_hornet, VIDALIFE, and Clyde C. Coger, Jr. Family members in attendance were queentswana, Remby, saglifesaw and Tariq Muhammad.

It is with great pleasure that GT gives thanks to all responsible for creating our perpetual newsletter (Destee.comNews) and launching the T-Shirt program. This means that two (2) of the three GT goals have been accomplished, and paves the way for completing the homegrown publication, with all due diligence. Anyone desiring to become a contributing author to this project is welcome to come on board. We are answering the question: What is the Origin of Racism?(pay particular attention to the blue print below and the related basic agenda)

Bro. Tariq and Sis. VIDALIFE both shared that whatever design or style of T-Shirt desired, is possible with the provider. In fact, the first wave of Tees promised to those pre-detrmined is ready for delivery. In short order, a site storefront is in the making, pending the final anointing of our Sister, Destee.

Brother WARRIOR your absence from the meeting is pardoned; your input to the Thread is appreciated, as well as the undying efforts of consistency you have shown this Destee.com Community.

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Related basic agenda outstanding is…determining a winner and Title of the homegrown publication, which awards the winner 3 mos. of Premium Membership sponsored by GT.

The T-Shirt Program
To review the Gildan Color Guide: http://destee.com/forums/showpost.php?p=585902&postcount=25

Our continued joint effort remains as follows:

Starting with the basic agenda, our work, to determine consensus-based resolutions, has begun. We need to weight in on the INTRODUCTION: Why Studying the Origins of Racism is Helpful to our People, and the questions: What is Racism? What is and isn't Racism? and Definitions of Racism (http://destee.com/forums/showpost.php?p=541305&postcount=51). The ideal approach for consensus reaching is over the mic, however, your input at the Reports/Feedback thread also accomplishes this task. This first step is a very significant one, and will lay the foundation for the book.

(All current active members of GT are encouraged to provide input to the above on or before our next meeting, (August 20, 2009 @ 9:00 AM Central), by posting here to the Reports/Feedback thread).

Clyde Coger

08-21-2009, 10:29 AM

Progress Report

The GroupThink Project-Group held it’s 42st meeting, August 20, 2009. The (GT) meeting was promptly called at 10:00 AM Eastern and concluded at 11:00 AM Eastern. In attendance and on the mic for GT were brown_hornet, and Clyde C. Coger, Jr. Family members in attendance were Destee, saglifesaw, HODEE, WARRIOR and Tariq Muhammad.

Destee shared some Site Maintenance issues with us, and explains that her recent bout of sickness has delayed getting out Destee.comNews to the family. Sister Destee is reportedly better and thanked the family for our prayers.

Bro. Tariq shared exciting information about the availability of the first wave of T-Shirts by Friday, pending any unforseen circumstances. Also Bro. WARRIOR and myself suffered some Chat Room difficulties, Bro. brown_hOrnet was able to provide WARRIOR with pertinent info concerning GT's homegrown publication, which remains the final business of the group's original plan of action. If my understanding is correct, WARRIOR agrees to come on board and contribute toward the successful publishing of the book. Family, our Store Front is on the way.

Destee addressed the concerns of recent Chat Room irregularities. After her explanation of quirks that come with a 5 dollar chat room solution, such as what we have, the air was cleared with understanding. We now better appreciate that our audio and video effects at 40 dollars per month is considerably more than our Chat Room. The brief discussion held reveals that an upgrade is in order, since Chat Room activities across the board, are more extensive than ever before. Accordingly, future measures will be taken to make this happen, in line with the dream of Bro. HODEE.

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Related basic agenda outstanding is…determining a winner and Title of the homegrown publication, which awards the winner 3 mos. of Premium Membership sponsored by GT.

The T-Shirt Program
To review the Gildan Color Guide: http://destee.com/forums/showpost.ph...2&postcount=25

Our continued joint effort remains as follows:

Starting with the basic agenda, our work, to determine consensus-based resolutions, has begun. We need to weight in on the INTRODUCTION: Why Studying the Origins of Racism is Helpful to our People, and the questions: What is Racism? What is and isn't Racism? and Definitions of Racism (http://destee.com/forums/showpost.ph...5&postcount=51). The ideal approach for consensus reaching is over the mic, however, your input at the Reports/Feedback thread also accomplishes this task. This first step is a very significant one, and will lay the foundation for the book.

(All current active members of GT are encouraged to provide input to the above on or before our next meeting, (August 27, 2009 @ 9:00 AM Central), by posting here to the Reports/Feedback thread).

Clyde Coger

08-28-2009, 09:48 PM

Progress Report

The GroupThink Project-Group held it’s 43rd meeting, August 27, 2009. The (GT) meeting was promptly called at 10:00 AM Eastern and concluded at 11:00 AM Eastern. In attendance and on the mic for GT were brown_hornet, WARRIOR and Clyde C. Coger, Jr. Family members in attendance were Remby, queentswana and bro. saglifesaw.

After some technical difficulties, GT was able to come together and have a very successful meeting.

No word on the T-Shirts, we are all patiently waiting to hear back from Brother Tariq and Sister VIDALIFE. We do hope that Sister Destee continues to improve health wise and we patiently await promulgation of Destee.comNews. VIDALIFE has already begun work on the second edition for those interested in submitting articles.

Officially, Bro. WARRIOR is now a permanent member of GT, and will contribute greatly with the homegrown publication. The bulk of our meeting was spent bringing WARRIOR up to speed with procedures and values, to include site navigation. Toward the end of GT, bro. saglifesaw shared his passion with us during the question and answer period of the meeting. We were not surprize of this brothers interest with books on Africa, moreso than Africa-Americans. We encourage him to share with the Family some of the sixty (60) books or so in his possession.

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Related basic agenda outstanding is…determining a winner and Title of the homegrown publication, which awards the winner 3 mos. of Premium Membership sponsored by GT.

The T-Shirt Program
To review the Gildan Color Guide: http://destee.com/forums/showpost.ph...2&postcount=25

Our continued joint effort remains as follows:

Starting with the basic agenda, our work, to determine consensus-based resolutions, has begun. We need to weight in on the INTRODUCTION: Why Studying the Origins of Racism is Helpful to our People, and the questions: What is Racism? What is and isn't Racism? and Definitions of Racism (http://destee.com/forums/showpost.ph...5&postcount=51). The ideal approach for consensus reaching is over the mic, however, your input at the Reports/Feedback thread also accomplishes this task. This first step is a very significant one, and will lay the foundation for the book.

(All current active members of GT are encouraged to provide input to the above on or before our next meeting, (September 03, 2009 @ 9:00 AM Central), by posting here to the Reports/Feedback thread).

Clyde Coger

09-04-2009, 09:31 AM

Progress Report

The GroupThink Project-Group held it’s 44th meeting, September 03, 2009. The (GT) meeting was promptly called at 10:00 AM Eastern and concluded at 11:00 AM Eastern. In attendance and on the mic for GT were brown_hornet, WARRIOR and Clyde C. Coger, Jr. Family members in attendance were Remby and queentswana.

GroupThink acknowledges that the functional goals of a perpetual newsletter and a viable T-Shirt Program, to generate revenue, has been accomplished and is now in the hands of those that can make it happen. GT's focus will now be the continuation of the homegrown publication or book. The group understands however, its obligation to monitor and follow-up on the previous mentioned accomplishments, into fruition.

Brother WARRIOR is makinig fast progress in navigatinig the GT Forum and its many procedures, consensuses, and purposes; Brown brown_hOrnet continues to play a major role in updating WARRIOR, whether through, PM's, emails and or phone conversations, to aide in the learning curve process.

We are happy to have WARRIOR on board and look forward to this brothers superb writing skills as a contributing author in approach to the question: What is the Origin of Racism?

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Related basic agenda outstanding is…determining a winner and Title of the homegrown publication, which awards the winner 3 mos. of Premium Membership sponsored by GT.

The T-Shirt Program
To review the Gildan Color Guide: http://destee.com/forums/showpost.ph...2&postcount=25

Our continued joint effort remains as follows:

Starting with the basic agenda, our work, to determine consensus-based resolutions, has begun. We need to weight in on the INTRODUCTION: Why Studying the Origins of Racism is Helpful to our People, and the questions: What is Racism? What is and isn't Racism? and Definitions of Racism (http://destee.com/forums/showpost.ph...5&postcount=51). The ideal approach for consensus reaching is over the mic, however, your input at the Reports/Feedback thread also accomplishes this task. This first step is a very significant one, and will lay the foundation for the book.

(All current active members of GT are encouraged to provide input to the above on or before our next meeting, (September 10, 2009 @ 9:00 AM Central), by posting here to the Reports/Feedback thread).

Clyde Coger

09-12-2009, 02:16 AM

Progress Report

The GroupThink Project-Group held it’s 45th meeting, September 10, 2009. The (GT) meeting was promptly called at 10:00 AM Eastern and concluded at 11:00 AM Eastern. In attendance and on the mic for GT were brown_hornet, WARRIOR and Clyde C. Coger, Jr. Family members in attendance were Destee, Remby, Nasheed and saglifesaw.

Sister Destee surprized us with an unannouced visit to the meeting and the link to Destee.comNews. After some difficulty, all present in the Chat Room, were able to view the link and commented on the beauty of the newsletter, and all praised it's editor, Sister VIDALIFE. Since the newsletter is formatted as a PDF, it was determined that Adobe 9 had to installed or re-installed in order for it to be viewed.

Then, Destee really surprized us with deciding to post Destee.comNews for the Family to enjoy. We agreed to inform the Community of what actions would be necessary to view the newslettter. Brother Nasheed posted a thread with the viewing information, and Brother Clyde rotated the link to the newsletter in the Shout Out. Currently, the Destee News Letter thread has over 100 views.

This temporary viewing of Destee.comNews, allows the Family to take part in reading the much talked efforts of GroupThink. However, it should be understood that Destee has a ways to go yet in actually having e-mail capability to the members of Destee.com. Our Sister will continue to tweek the newsletter until she is satisfied that it's appearance is top-notch. There are several solutions remaining, however, before e-mailing.

The last portion of the meeting concluded with group discussion on tools and resources to be used for in preparation of the homegrown publication.

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Related basic agenda outstanding is…determining a winner and Title of the homegrown publication, which awards the winner 3 mos. of Premium Membership sponsored by GT.

The T-Shirt Program
To review the Gildan Color Guide: http://destee.com/forums/showpost.ph...2&postcount=25

Our continued joint effort remains as follows:

Starting with the basic agenda, our work, to determine consensus-based resolutions, has begun. We need to weight in on the INTRODUCTION: Why Studying the Origins of Racism is Helpful to our People, and the questions: What is Racism? What is and isn't Racism? and Definitions of Racism (http://destee.com/forums/showpost.ph...5&postcount=51). The ideal approach for consensus reaching is over the mic, however, your input at the Reports/Feedback thread also accomplishes this task. This first step is a very significant one, and will lay the foundation for the book.

(All current active members of GT are encouraged to provide input to the above on or before our next meeting, (September 17, 2009 @ 9:00 AM Central), by posting here to the Reports/Feedback thread).

brown_h0rnet

09-24-2009, 11:28 AM

Progress Report

The GroupThink Project-Group held it’s 46th meeting, September 17, 2009. The (GT) meeting was promptly called at 10:00 AM Eastern and concluded at about 11:10 AM Eastern. In attendance and on the mic for GT were Brown_Hornet and Destee.

Due to extenuating circumstances, Brotha Clyde Coger and Warrior were unable to attend the meeting.

Queen Destee did show up at the meeting later on and a brief discussion was had. One topic was The current Newsletter format. Destee said that she feels better about how it is being done, and our method of producing it than before, and that puts us one step closer to letting VIDALIFE go ahead and continue with editing newsletters to be sent out.

Another topic was The Destee Network (http://destee.com/network/) (possible categories to add as well as other marketing strategies), and then finally we discussed possible specialized lists that can be added to our newsletter distribution.

GroupThink's focus will continue to move toward the continuation of the homegrown publication or book while still following up on The Newsletter and the T-Shirt Program.

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Related basic agenda outstanding is…determining a winner and Title of the homegrown publication, which awards the winner 3 mos. of Premium Membership sponsored by GT.

The T-Shirt Program
To review the Gildan Color Guide: http://destee.com/forums/showpost.ph...2&postcount=25

Our continued joint effort remains as follows:

Starting with the basic agenda, our work, to determine consensus-based resolutions, has begun. We need to weight in on the INTRODUCTION: Why Studying the Origins of Racism is Helpful to our People, and the questions: What is Racism? What is and isn't Racism? and Definitions of Racism (http://destee.com/forums/showpost.ph...5&postcount=51). The ideal approach for consensus reaching is over the mic, however, your input at the Reports/Feedback thread also accomplishes this task. This first step is a very significant one, and will lay the foundation for the book.

(All current active members of GT are encouraged to provide input to the above on or before our next meeting, (September 24, 2009 @ 9:00 AM Central), by posting here to the Reports/Feedback thread).

Clyde Coger

09-24-2009, 07:44 PM

MRS. LADY

09-25-2009, 07:34 AM

Progress Report

The GroupThink Project-Group held it’s 47th meeting, September 24, 2009. The (GT) meeting was promptly called at 10:00 AM Eastern and concluded at about 11:10 AM Eastern. In attendance and on the mic for GT were Brown_Hornet, WARRIOR, and Clyde C. Coger, Jr. Family members in attendance were Miss Lady, Remby and emanuel goodman.

As a result of think tanking between Sister Destee and Sister Miss Lady, GT picks up a host of great ideas in a thread concerning site progression from it's author, Miss Lady. Miss Lady was in attendance this morning as promised and further commits to bringing a clear presentation next week, while the quorum of GT digests the entire thread of ideas shared.

Brother brown_hOrnet recapped last weeks meeting bringing WARRIOR and myself up to speed. Information concerning the T-Shirt program from Brother Tariq Muhamman was shared with GT, explaining the delay.

The group takes on the continuing effort to monitor Destee.comNews and the T-Shirt program until self-sustaining, which allows Brother WARRIOR sufficient time to sink fully into the homegrown publication goal of GT. Again, GT is very satisfied with the progress and achievement of said goals.

Brother emanuel goodman was a cite for sore eyes and received a grand welcoming for attending and taking part in GroupThink, in spite of red light conditions caused by inclement weather.

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Related basic agenda outstanding is…determining a winner and Title of the homegrown publication, which awards the winner 3 mos. of Premium Membership sponsored by GT.

The T-Shirt Program
To review the Gildan Color Guide: http://destee.com/forums/showpost.ph...2&postcount=25

Our continued joint effort remains as follows:

Starting with the basic agenda, our work, to determine consensus-based resolutions, has begun. We need to weight in on the INTRODUCTION: Why Studying the Origins of Racism is Helpful to our People, and the questions: What is Racism? What is and isn't Racism? and Definitions of Racism (http://destee.com/forums/showpost.ph...5&postcount=51). The ideal approach for consensus reaching is over the mic, however, your input at the Reports/Feedback thread also accomplishes this task. This first step is a very significant one, and will lay the foundation for the book.

(All current active members of GT are encouraged to provide input to the above on or before our next meeting, (October 01, 2009 @ 9:00 AM Central), by posting here to the Reports/Feedback thread).

is for the poetry, i would hope that plat and rich can make it

i don't know who is responsible for contacting, perhaps Mother Linda

and i'm not sure who is in charge of marketing, but we need someone reppin destee.com on myspace, twitter, facebook and every other site we can use for free to link people up, and someone who is checkin those sites to make sure they are only being used to recruit for our causes and not for personal benefit... separate, personal pages can be made for that

is rich a lawyer... we need a lawyer... the solicitation and business laws vary from state to state, and even more so international so this is a big load of work for me to accomplish on my own......

along with my presentation will be a list of necessary postions to fill because of the amount of research required, however, if i'm able to set up the non profit, and everyone can be a lil patient... when u work for a non profit ur salary is allocated right in the pre-created budget, when u use grants, u have to do the budget prior to actually receiving the funds.....

I'll be in newyork but imma bring my computer, so you'll proly have something from my, Elder Clyde prior to Thursday so u can decide what we gon discuss new and what we have to discuss of past...

i'll just feed u information, and u pace it.. cause as u can c imma mile a minute....

and i'm gettin ready to run......

peace

MRS. LADY

09-25-2009, 07:39 AM

puttin up there on the list... got a few months until the new year.....

and enough talent and beauty right here to get that done...

james can do that.... he loves takin pictures...

Clyde Coger

09-25-2009, 12:33 PM

... part of what i will prepare... very good Miss Lady, very good

is for the poetry, i would hope that plat and rich can make itpart of what i will prepare

i don't know who is responsible for contacting, perhaps Mother Linda

and i'm not sure who is in charge of marketing, but we need someone reppin destee.com on myspace, twitter, facebook and every other site we can use for free to link people up, and someone who is checkin those sites to make sure they are only being used to recruit for our causes and not for personal benefit... separate, personal pages can be made for that

is rich a lawyer... we need a lawyer... the solicitation and business laws vary from state to state, and even more so international so this is a big load of work for me to accomplish on my own......

along with my presentation will be a list of necessary postions to fill because of the amount of research required, however, if i'm able to set up the non profit, and everyone can be a lil patient... when u work for a non profit ur salary is allocated right in the pre-created budget, when u use grants, u have to do the budget prior to actually receiving the funds.....

I'll be in newyork but imma bring my computer, so you'll proly have something from me, Elder Clyde prior to Thursday so u can decide what we gon discuss new and what we have to discuss of past...

i'll just feed u information, and u pace it.. cause as u can c imma mile a minute....

and i'm gettin ready to run......

peace

Miss Lady,

As a point of reference, I made bold some of what you stated above; yes, Linda Chavis is very active and involved with the Brothers Chat proposal of Brother HODEE, believe it or not, the process of officers and grants is in the making, and suites well with what you have outlined in your ideas and proposals for non-profit and grant writing, along with Elder Bakhyr and many others. Linda Chavis awaits you in Sister Chat, only if you can attend.

Here is my position, if we continue to do well, then those not here with us will re-surface and join the band wagon, so, whether or not we are able to reach those mentioned, we should have open arms for their decision to return. It is paramount that we continue the mission of the vision and hope for the best...Peace In my sister friend.

Clyde Coger

09-25-2009, 12:41 PM

...destee calendar worth... see what I mean, another fantasia idea sister

puttin up there on the list... got a few months until the new year.....

and enough talent and beauty right here to get that done...

james can do that.... he loves takin pictures...

Miss Lady,

Perhaps you could persuade jamesfrmphilly by just asking if he would be willing, personally, I have invited brother james to get involved with GroupThink, without success. This doesn't mean he is unwilling, it could mean the right person hasn't asked yet....it could very well be you Miss Lady that he gives in to, you know what I mean:)

Clyde Coger

10-01-2009, 07:32 PM

WARRIOR

10-02-2009, 03:10 PM

Clyde Coger

10-02-2009, 05:04 PM

GREETINGS TO ALL GROUP THINK MEMBERS.....

MY APOLOGIES FOR MY ABSENCE......

AGAIN.....A BROTHERS HUG FOR ELDER BAHKYR FOR JOINING GT....

I STAND IN FULL ACKNOWLEDGEMENT OF EVERYTHING DISCUSSED...

A THANK YOU TO ALL MEMBERS FOR EXCUSING MY ABSENCE....

WARRIOR

Correct Bro. WARRIOR,

As yourself, Elder brings a fresh outlook regarding the question we are to address in the homegrown publication. At this point and thanks to Bro. Tariq, we now have all five(5) seats filled at the GroupThink table for the completion of our final project; the latest to come on board will be our beloved Sister, Chevron Dove...Peace In my brother friend, for real.

Clyde Coger

10-09-2009, 10:05 AM

Progress Report

The GroupThink Project-Group held it’s 48th meeting, October 01, 2009. The (GT) meeting was promptly called at 10:00 AM Eastern and concluded at about 11:10 AM Eastern. In attendance and on the mic for GT were brown_Hornet, Elder Ba'khyr and Clyde C. Coger, Jr. Family members in attendance were Remby, queentswana, and marcus j. Miss Lady left a profile note explaining her absence with the intent to be in attendance next week.

Brother Elder Ba'khyr received orientation to GT and his input was well received. Brother brown_hOrnet will forward the necessary links and tips to Elder as we close in on the homegrown publication, answering the question: What is the Origin of Racism.

.................................................. ...................

Related basic agenda outstanding is…determining a winner and Title of the homegrown publication, which awards the winner 3 mos. of Premium Membership sponsored by GT.

The T-Shirt Program
To review the Gildan Color Guide: http://destee.com/forums/showpost.ph...2&postcount=25

Our continued joint effort remains as follows:

Starting with the basic agenda, our work, to determine consensus-based resolutions, has begun. We need to weight in on the INTRODUCTION: Why Studying the Origins of Racism is Helpful to our People, and the questions: What is Racism? What is and isn't Racism? and Definitions of Racism (http://destee.com/forums/showpost.ph...5&postcount=51). The ideal approach for consensus reaching is over the mic, however, your input at the Reports/Feedback thread also accomplishes this task. This first step is a very significant one, and will lay the foundation for the book.

(All current active members of GT are encouraged to provide input to the above on or before our next meeting, (October 08, 2009 @ 9:00 AM Central), by posting here to the Reports/Feedback thread).

Progress Report

The GroupThink Project-Group held it’s 49th meeting, October 08, 2009. The (GT) meeting was promptly called at 10:00 AM Eastern and concluded at 11:00 AM Eastern. In attendance and on the mic for GT were brown_Hornet, Elder Ba'khyr and Clyde C. Coger, Jr. Family member in attendance was paul shields, recentlly returning from a trip to the Mother land...this brother has a story to tell, Family!

More of the same took place this morning, getting Bro. Elder Ba'khyr oriented to the GT Forum, threads, posts, consensus' reached, etc...In view of now having newer members on oboard, this acclimation process will be continued for a brief period, until all are familiar and comfortable with navigating this large Web Site and the GroupThink Project-Group forum.

It is anticipated to be quickly accomplished via phone calls, through sending PM's and/or e-mails. Below and for easy access is the link to the already agreed upon consensus' of the Group. Please click and review and make yourselves familiar with it's content, by simple scrolling the thread.

The name of the thread is: What is the Origin of Racism?, located presently at the bottom of the forum. The link takes you to page 12, and begins at post #115.

http://destee.com/forums/showpost.php?p=565503&postcount=115

To the loyal Brother brown_hOrnet, next week marks one day on the other side of our anniversary date kick-off: October 14, 2008...Peace In Brother Brown Hornet.

.................................................. ...................

Related basic agenda outstanding is…determining a winner and Title of the homegrown publication, which awards the winner 3 mos. of Premium Membership sponsored by GT.

The T-Shirt Program
To review the Gildan Color Guide: http://destee.com/forums/showpost.ph...2&postcount=25

Our continued joint effort remains as follows:

Starting with the basic agenda, our work, to determine consensus-based resolutions, has begun. We need to weight in on the INTRODUCTION: Why Studying the Origins of Racism is Helpful to our People, and the questions: What is Racism? What is and isn't Racism? and Definitions of Racism (http://destee.com/forums/showpost.ph...5&postcount=51). The ideal approach for consensus reaching is over the mic, however, your input at the Reports/Feedback thread also accomplishes this task. This first step is a very significant one, and will lay the foundation for the book.

(All current active members of GT are encouraged to provide input to the above on or before our next meeting, (October 15, 2009 @ 9:00 AM Central), by posting here to the Reports/Feedback thread).

Clyde Coger

10-15-2009, 07:23 PM

Progress Report

The GroupThink Project-Group held it’s 49th meeting, October 08, 2009. The (GT) meeting was promptly called at 10:00 AM Eastern and concluded at 11:00 AM Eastern. In attendance and on the mic for GT were brown_Hornet, Elder Ba'khyr and Clyde C. Coger, Jr. Family member in attendance was paul shields, recentlly returning from a trip to the Mother land...this brother has a story to tell, Family!

More of the same took place this morning, getting Bro. Elder Ba'khyr oriented to the GT Forum, threads, posts, consensus' reached, etc...In view of now having newer members on oboard, this acclimation process will be continued for a brief period, until all are familiar and comfortable with navigating this large Web Site and the GroupThink Project-Group forum.

It is anticipated to be quickly accomplished via phone calls, through sending PM's and/or e-mails. Below and for easy access is the link to the already agreed upon consensus' of the Group. Please click and review and make yourselves familiar with it's content, by simple scrolling the thread.

The name of the thread is: What is the Origin of Racism?, located presently at the bottom of the forum. The link takes you to page 12, and begins at post #115.

http://destee.com/forums/showpost.php?p=565503&postcount=115

To the loyal Brother brown_hOrnet, next week marks one day on the other side of our anniversary date kick-off: October 14, 2008...Peace In Brother Brown Hornet.

.................................................. ...................

Related basic agenda outstanding is…determining a winner and Title of the homegrown publication, which awards the winner 3 mos. of Premium Membership sponsored by GT.

The T-Shirt Program
To review the Gildan Color Guide: http://destee.com/forums/showpost.ph...2&postcount=25

Our continued joint effort remains as follows:

Starting with the basic agenda, our work, to determine consensus-based resolutions, has begun. We need to weight in on the INTRODUCTION: Why Studying the Origins of Racism is Helpful to our People, and the questions: What is Racism? What is and isn't Racism? and Definitions of Racism (http://destee.com/forums/showpost.ph...5&postcount=51). The ideal approach for consensus reaching is over the mic, however, your input at the Reports/Feedback thread also accomplishes this task. This first step is a very significant one, and will lay the foundation for the book.

(All current active members of GT are encouraged to provide input to the above on or before our next meeting, (October 15, 2009 @ 9:00 AM Central), by posting here to the Reports/Feedback thread).

Progress Report

The GroupThink Project-Group held it’s 50th meeting, October 15, 2009. The (GT) meeting was promptly called at 10:00 AM Eastern and concluded at 11:00 AM Eastern. In attendance and on the mic for GT were brown_Hornet and Clyde C. Coger, Jr. Family members in attendance were HODEE and Remby.

Sister Remby, brown_hOrnet and myself spent the earlier portion of the meeting in reminiscence of GT's humble beginning (Originally, The Origin of Racsim Group). Remby was quite surprized that one year had pass, already. For those interested, below are links to the event of the day on October 14, 2008:

Indian in the machine - October 14 2008 UFO over Alabama

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pRcQPyBn_Iw

Federation Of Light - 2,000 Mile Long Craft Will Appear on Oct 14th 2008?

Bro. HODEE shared some interesting information with us concerning Cafe Press.com, an operation that provides store front merchandise, such as, T-Shirts, mugs, etc... Brother brown_hOrnet will pursue the links and determine whether or not Cafe Press can supply our needs. Brother brown also forwarded a PM to Sister Destee, which inquired about the Mail Man software under consideration for reaching the e-mail data base of Destee.com. This path of contact should be in effect before our second newsletter is processed by editor VIDALIFE.

.................................................. ...................

Related basic agenda outstanding is…determining a winner and Title of the homegrown publication, which awards the winner 3 mos. of Premium Membership sponsored by GT.

The T-Shirt Program
To review the Gildan Color Guide: http://destee.com/forums/showpost.ph...2&postcount=25

Our continued joint effort remains as follows:

Starting with the basic agenda, our work, to determine consensus-based resolutions, has begun. We need to weight in on the INTRODUCTION: Why Studying the Origins of Racism is Helpful to our People, and the questions: What is Racism? What is and isn't Racism? and Definitions of Racism (http://destee.com/forums/showpost.ph...5&postcount=51). The ideal approach for consensus reaching is over the mic, however, your input at the Reports/Feedback thread also accomplishes this task. This first step is a very significant one, and will lay the foundation for the book.

(All current active members of GT are encouraged to provide input to the above on or before our next meeting, (October 22, 2009 @ 9:00 AM Central), by posting here to the Reports/Feedback thread).

Clyde Coger

10-23-2009, 01:54 AM

Progress Report

The GroupThink Project-Group held it’s 50th meeting, October 15, 2009. The (GT) meeting was promptly called at 10:00 AM Eastern and concluded at 11:00 AM Eastern. In attendance and on the mic for GT were brown_Hornet and Clyde C. Coger, Jr. Family members in attendance were HODEE and Remby.

Sister Remby, brown_hOrnet and myself spent the earlier portion of the meeting in reminiscence of GT's humble beginning (Originally, The Origin of Racsim Group). Remby was quite surprized that one year had pass, already. For those interested, below are links to the event of the day on October 14, 2008:

Indian in the machine - October 14 2008 UFO over Alabama

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pRcQPyBn_Iw

Federation Of Light - 2,000 Mile Long Craft Will Appear on Oct 14th 2008?

Bro. HODEE shared some interesting information with us concerning Cafe Press.com, an operation that provides store front merchandise, such as, T-Shirts, mugs, etc... Brother brown_hOrnet will pursue the links and determine whether or not Cafe Press can supply our needs. Brother brown also forwarded a PM to Sister Destee, which inquired about the Mail Man software under consideration for reaching the e-mail data base of Destee.com. This path of contact should be in effect before our second newsletter is processed by editor VIDALIFE.

.................................................. ...................

Related basic agenda outstanding is…determining a winner and Title of the homegrown publication, which awards the winner 3 mos. of Premium Membership sponsored by GT.

The T-Shirt Program
To review the Gildan Color Guide: http://destee.com/forums/showpost.ph...2&postcount=25

Our continued joint effort remains as follows:

Starting with the basic agenda, our work, to determine consensus-based resolutions, has begun. We need to weight in on the INTRODUCTION: Why Studying the Origins of Racism is Helpful to our People, and the questions: What is Racism? What is and isn't Racism? and Definitions of Racism (http://destee.com/forums/showpost.ph...5&postcount=51). The ideal approach for consensus reaching is over the mic, however, your input at the Reports/Feedback thread also accomplishes this task. This first step is a very significant one, and will lay the foundation for the book.

(All current active members of GT are encouraged to provide input to the above on or before our next meeting, (October 22, 2009 @ 9:00 AM Central), by posting here to the Reports/Feedback thread).

Progress Report

The GroupThink Project-Group held it’s 51st meeting, October 22, 2009. The (GT) meeting was promptly called at 10:00 AM Eastern and concluded at 11:00 AM Eastern. In attendance and on the mic for GT were brown_Hornet, Elder Ba'khyr and Clyde C. Coger, Jr. Family members in attendance were queentswana and Remby.

It is the decision of GT, by consensus, to conclude that the time is now here for Family members, desiring to wear Destee.com T-Shirts and advertise this grand site, to be able to do so. Therefore, a deadline of November 5, 2009 has been set in order to gather all promises or leads to T-Shirt vendors. All pertinent information of those with T-Shirt vendors should be submitted to GT by or before the deadline date.

Having grapple with acquiring a T-Shirt program for one(1) year, adversely affects the groups credibility with the Community, which is fully aware of the untiring efforts to provide T-Shirts for the Family.

The alternative will be to go with Zazzle or Cafepress, unless the vendors of promise manifest.

.................................................. ...................

Related basic agenda outstanding is…determining a winner and Title of the homegrown publication, which awards the winner 3 mos. of Premium Membership sponsored by GT.

The T-Shirt Program
To review the Gildan Color Guide: http://destee.com/forums/showpost.ph...2&postcount=25

Our continued joint effort remains as follows:

Starting with the basic agenda, our work, to determine consensus-based resolutions, has begun. We need to weight in on the INTRODUCTION: Why Studying the Origins of Racism is Helpful to our People, and the questions: What is Racism? What is and isn't Racism? and Definitions of Racism (http://destee.com/forums/showpost.ph...5&postcount=51). The ideal approach for consensus reaching is over the mic, however, your input at the Reports/Feedback thread also accomplishes this task. This first step is a very significant one, and will lay the foundation for the book.

(All current active members of GT are encouraged to provide input to the above on or before our next meeting, (October 29, 2009 @ 9:00 AM Central), by posting here to the Reports/Feedback thread).

Clyde Coger

10-30-2009, 02:14 PM

Progress Report

The GroupThink Project-Group held it’s 51st meeting, October 22, 2009. The (GT) meeting was promptly called at 10:00 AM Eastern and concluded at 11:00 AM Eastern. In attendance and on the mic for GT were brown_Hornet, Elder Ba'Khyr and Clyde C. Coger, Jr. Family members in attendance were queentswana and Remby.

It is the decision of GT, by consensus, to conclude that the time is now here for Family members, desiring to wear Destee.com T-Shirts and advertise this grand site, to be able to do so. Therefore, a deadline of November 5, 2009 has been set in order to gather all promises or leads to T-Shirt vendors. All pertinent information of those with T-Shirt vendors should be submitted to GT by or before the deadline date.

Having grapple with acquiring a T-Shirt program for one(1) year, adversely affects the groups credibility with the Community, which is fully aware of the untiring efforts to provide T-Shirts for the Family.

The alternative will be to go with Zazzle or Cafepress, unless the vendors of promise manifest.

.................................................. ...................

Related basic agenda outstanding is…determining a winner and Title of the homegrown publication, which awards the winner 3 mos. of Premium Membership sponsored by GT.

The T-Shirt Program
To review the Gildan Color Guide: http://destee.com/forums/showpost.ph...2&postcount=25

Our continued joint effort remains as follows:

Starting with the basic agenda, our work, to determine consensus-based resolutions, has begun. We need to weight in on the INTRODUCTION: Why Studying the Origins of Racism is Helpful to our People, and the questions: What is Racism? What is and isn't Racism? and Definitions of Racism (http://destee.com/forums/showpost.ph...5&postcount=51). The ideal approach for consensus reaching is over the mic, however, your input at the Reports/Feedback thread also accomplishes this task. This first step is a very significant one, and will lay the foundation for the book.

(All current active members of GT are encouraged to provide input to the above on or before our next meeting, (October 29, 2009 @ 9:00 AM Central), by posting here to the Reports/Feedback thread).

Progress Report

The GroupThink Project-Group held it’s 52nd meeting, October 29, 2009. The (GT) meeting was promptly called at 10:00 AM Eastern and concluded at 11:00 AM Eastern. In attendance and on the mic for GT were brown_Hornet, Elder Ba'Khyr and Clyde C. Coger, Jr. Family members in attendance were 2znm and Remby.

Discussion pertaining to the goals and purpose of GT were conducted with Family member 2znm, which resulted in delightful dialogue. Sister 2znm has a wealth of knoweldge and opened our eyes to some new and different fronts. Brother Elder informed GT of a pressing engagement and we thanked him for demonstrating extraordinary behavior to stop by and qualify his absence.

It is dully noted that Sister Destee provided information, in advance of the deadline, on her T-Shirt vendor, along with establishing contact with the vendor and approval from T-Shirt graphic designer, Brother MetaSacience. Thanks Sister Destee for posting to the Last Call thread in the GroupThink Project-Group forum.

.................................................. ...................

Related basic agenda outstanding is…determining a winner and Title of the homegrown publication, which awards the winner 3 mos. of Premium Membership sponsored by GT.

The T-Shirt Program
To review the Gildan Color Guide: http://destee.com/forums/showpost.ph...2&postcount=25

Our continued joint effort remains as follows:

Starting with the basic agenda, our work, to determine consensus-based resolutions, has begun. We need to weight in on the INTRODUCTION: Why Studying the Origins of Racism is Helpful to our People, and the questions: What is Racism? What is and isn't Racism? and Definitions of Racism (http://destee.com/forums/showpost.ph...5&postcount=51). The ideal approach for consensus reaching is over the mic, however, your input at the Reports/Feedback thread also accomplishes this task. This first step is a very significant one, and will lay the foundation for the book.

(All current active members of GT are encouraged to provide input to the above on or before our next meeting, (Novermber 05, 2009 @ 9:00 AM Central), by posting here to the Reports/Feedback thread).

Clyde Coger

11-05-2009, 02:57 PM

Progress Report

The GroupThink Project-Group held it’s 52nd meeting, October 29, 2009. The (GT) meeting was promptly called at 10:00 AM Eastern and concluded at 11:00 AM Eastern. In attendance and on the mic for GT were brown_Hornet, Elder Ba'Khyr and Clyde C. Coger, Jr. Family members in attendance were 2znm and Remby.

Discussion pertaining to the goals and purpose of GT were conducted with Family member 2znm, which resulted in delightful dialogue. Sister 2znm has a wealth of knoweldge and opened our eyes to some new and different fronts. Brother Elder informed GT of a pressing engagement and we thanked him for demonstrating extraordinary behavior to stop by and qualify his absence.

It is dully noted that Sister Destee provided information, in advance of the deadline, on her T-Shirt vendor, along with establishing contact with the vendor and approval from T-Shirt graphic designer, Brother MetaSacience. Thanks Sister Destee for posting to the Last Call thread in the GroupThink Project-Group forum.

.................................................. ...................

Related basic agenda outstanding is…determining a winner and Title of the homegrown publication, which awards the winner 3 mos. of Premium Membership sponsored by GT.

The T-Shirt Program
To review the Gildan Color Guide: http://destee.com/forums/showpost.ph...2&postcount=25

Our continued joint effort remains as follows:

Starting with the basic agenda, our work, to determine consensus-based resolutions, has begun. We need to weight in on the INTRODUCTION: Why Studying the Origins of Racism is Helpful to our People, and the questions: What is Racism? What is and isn't Racism? and Definitions of Racism (http://destee.com/forums/showpost.ph...5&postcount=51). The ideal approach for consensus reaching is over the mic, however, your input at the Reports/Feedback thread also accomplishes this task. This first step is a very significant one, and will lay the foundation for the book.

(All current active members of GT are encouraged to provide input to the above on or before our next meeting, (Novermber 05, 2009 @ 9:00 AM Central), by posting here to the Reports/Feedback thread).

Progress Report

The GroupThink Project-Group held it’s 53rd meeting, November 05, 2009. The (GT) meeting was promptly called at 10:00 AM Eastern and concluded at 11:00 AM Eastern. In attendance and on the mic for GT were [B]brown_Hornet, Elder Ba'Khyr, WARRIOR, Chevron Dove and Clyde C. Coger, Jr.

Family members in attendance were nubian noir, queentswana, Ms Drea, saglifesaw and Remby.

We welcomed the newest GT memeber this morning, Chevron Dove. Chevron was able to quickly learn mic adjustments, protocol and some of the GroupThink circular flow dialogue technique. Brother Elder had questions concerning the Deadline issues, which were all answered satisfactorily. Sister Destee's vendor from Chicago is selected to deliver on the T-Shirts. We expect to be finalized by November 12, or soon afterwards.

Again, brother brown_hOrnet was able to put together a very complete profile of both Cafe Press and Zazzle. At our fingertigs, brown provided everything we needed to know about the operations of said vendors. Not only GT, but the family is encouraged to click the links provided and help us make the best possible decision, as we go forward with the T-Shirt program.

We enjoyed having sister nubian noir this morning who admits she learned some things about the Chat Room.

.................................................. ...................

Related basic agenda outstanding is…determining a winner and Title of the homegrown publication, which awards the winner 3 mos. of Premium Membership sponsored by GT.

The T-Shirt Program
To review the Gildan Color Guide: http://destee.com/forums/showpost.ph...2&postcount=25

Our continued joint effort remains as follows:

Starting with the basic agenda, our work, to determine consensus-based resolutions, has begun. We need to weight in on the INTRODUCTION: Why Studying the Origins of Racism is Helpful to our People, and the questions: What is Racism? What is and isn't Racism? and Definitions of Racism (http://destee.com/forums/showpost.ph...5&postcount=51). The ideal approach for consensus reaching is over the mic, however, your input at the Reports/Feedback thread also accomplishes this task. This first step is a very significant one, and will lay the foundation for the book.

(All current active members of GT are encouraged to provide input to the above on or before our next meeting, (Novermber 12, 2009 @ 9:00 AM Central), by posting here to the Reports/Feedback thread).

Clyde Coger

11-12-2009, 06:58 PM

Progress Report

The GroupThink Project-Group held it’s 53rd meeting, November 05, 2009. The (GT) meeting was promptly called at 10:00 AM Eastern and concluded at 11:00 AM Eastern. In attendance and on the mic for GT were [B]brown_Hornet, Elder Ba'Khyr, WARRIOR, Chevron Dove and Clyde C. Coger, Jr.

Family members in attendance were nubian noir, queentswana, Ms Drea, saglifesaw and Remby.

We welcomed the newest GT memeber this morning, Chevron Dove. Chevron was able to quickly learn mic adjustments, protocol and some of the GroupThink circular flow dialogue technique. Brother Elder had questions concerning the Deadline issues, which were all answered satisfactorily. Sister Destee's vendor from Chicago is selected to deliver on the T-Shirts. We expect to be finalized by November 12, or soon afterwards.

Again, brother brown_hOrnet was able to put together a very complete profile of both Cafe Press and Zazzle. At our fingertigs, brown provided everything we needed to know about the operations of said vendors. Not only GT, but the family is encouraged to click the links provided and help us make the best possible decision, as we go forward with the T-Shirt program.

We enjoyed having sister nubian noir this morning who admits she learned some things about the Chat Room.

.................................................. ...................

Related basic agenda outstanding is…determining a winner and Title of the homegrown publication, which awards the winner 3 mos. of Premium Membership sponsored by GT.

The T-Shirt Program
To review the Gildan Color Guide: http://destee.com/forums/showpost.ph...2&postcount=25

Our continued joint effort remains as follows:

Starting with the basic agenda, our work, to determine consensus-based resolutions, has begun. We need to weight in on the INTRODUCTION: Why Studying the Origins of Racism is Helpful to our People, and the questions: What is Racism? What is and isn't Racism? and Definitions of Racism (http://destee.com/forums/showpost.ph...5&postcount=51). The ideal approach for consensus reaching is over the mic, however, your input at the Reports/Feedback thread also accomplishes this task. This first step is a very significant one, and will lay the foundation for the book.

(All current active members of GT are encouraged to provide input to the above on or before our next meeting, (Novermber 12, 2009 @ 9:00 AM Central), by posting here to the Reports/Feedback thread).

Progress Report

The GroupThink Project-Group held it’s 54rd meeting, November 12, 2009. The (GT) meeting was promptly called at 10:00 AM Eastern and concluded at 11:00 AM Eastern. In attendance and on the mic for GT were brown_Hornet and Clyde C. Coger, Jr.

Family members in attendance were queentswana, Remby and Chinelo(stopped by).

Based upon the information supplied by Sister Destee, the Chicago vendor may be able to provide a store front solution for the dispensation of merchandise, up to and including T-Shirts.

Based upon the thread input from Bro. Warrior, a consensus has been reached proposing a name change to Destee.comNews. Via Sister SeekingMaat, the new name DesteeNation will be forwarded to Sister Destee for her final approval.

Awaiting the proper quorum count, Zazzle is the choice over Cafe Press based upon easy set up capabilities and a higher percentage payout per item sold.

The Destee Family can look forward to seeing these changes take effect, as soon as praticable.

.................................................. ...................

Related basic agenda outstanding is…determining a winner and Title of the homegrown publication, which awards the winner 3 mos. of Premium Membership sponsored by GT.

The T-Shirt Program
To review the Gildan Color Guide: http://destee.com/forums/showpost.ph...2&postcount=25

Our continued joint effort remains as follows:

Starting with the basic agenda, our work, to determine consensus-based resolutions, has begun. We need to weight in on the INTRODUCTION: Why Studying the Origins of Racism is Helpful to our People, and the questions: What is Racism? What is and isn't Racism? and Definitions of Racism (http://destee.com/forums/showpost.ph...5&postcount=51). The ideal approach for consensus reaching is over the mic, however, your input at the Reports/Feedback thread also accomplishes this task. This first step is a very significant one, and will lay the foundation for the book.

(All current active members of GT are encouraged to provide input to the above on or before our next meeting, (Novermber 19, 2009 @ 9:00 AM Central), by posting here to the Reports/Feedback thread).

WARRIOR

11-13-2009, 05:50 AM

Clyde Coger

11-13-2009, 07:20 AM

GREETINGS TO THE GROUP THINK MEMBERS...

AS TIRING AS THIS MAY SOUND , MY APOLOGIES ARE ENDLESS FOR MY ABSENCES.....

I STAND IN FULL ACKNOWLEDGEMENT & AGREEMENT OF DESTEE NATION....

EXCELLENT CONCEPT.....LETS GO TO WORK....

WARRIOR

WARRIOR,

Thanks for your input to the GT Reports/Feedback thread, it is always appreciated. Seriously consider the below and let us know your opinion:

Awaiting the proper quorum count, Zazzle is the choice over Cafe Press based upon easy set up capabilities and a higher percentage payout per item sold.

brown_hOrnet and myself concur that Zazzle is preferred over Cafe Press. What is your pleasure of the two(2)?

WARRIOR

11-13-2009, 07:53 AM

WARRIOR,

Thanks for your input to the GT Reports/Feedback thread, it is always appreciated. Seriously consider the below and let us know your opinion:

Awaiting the proper quorum count, Zazzle is the choice over Cafe Press based upon easy set up capabilities and a higher percentage payout per item sold.

brown_hOrnet and myself concur that Zazzle is preferred over Cafe Press. What is your pleasure of the two(2)?

I DIDN'T GET MY COMMON SENSE ON SALE......

ZAZZLE IT IS.......COUNT ME IN...

WARRIOR

Clyde Coger

11-13-2009, 08:33 AM

I DIDN'T GET MY COMMON SENSE ON SALE......

ZAZZLE IT IS.......COUNT ME IN...

WARRIOR

lol,Thank you Bro. WARRIOR, that's a rap and the consensus needed to table Cafe Press.

Clyde Coger

11-19-2009, 12:06 PM

Progress Report

The GroupThink Project-Group held it’s 54rd meeting, November 12, 2009. The (GT) meeting was promptly called at 10:00 AM Eastern and concluded at 11:00 AM Eastern. In attendance and on the mic for GT were brown_Hornet and Clyde C. Coger, Jr.

Family members in attendance were queentswana, Remby and Chinelo(stopped by).

Based upon the information supplied by Sister Destee, the Chicago vendor may be able to provide a store front solution for the dispensation of merchandise, up to and including T-Shirts.

Based upon the thread input from Bro. Warrior, a consensus has been reached proposing a name change to Destee.comNews. Via Sister SeekingMaat, the new name DesteeNation will be forwarded to Sister Destee for her final approval.

Awaiting the proper quorum count, Zazzle is the choice over Cafe Press based upon easy set up capabilities and a higher percentage payout per item sold.

The Destee Family can look forward to seeing these changes take effect, as soon as praticable.

.................................................. ...................

Related basic agenda outstanding is…determining a winner and Title of the homegrown publication, which awards the winner 3 mos. of Premium Membership sponsored by GT.

Our continued joint effort remains as follows:

Starting with the basic agenda, our work, to determine consensus-based resolutions, has begun. We need to weight in on the INTRODUCTION: Why Studying the Origins of Racism is Helpful to our People, and the questions: What is Racism? What is and isn't Racism? and Definitions of Racism (http://destee.com/forums/showpost.ph...5&postcount=51). The ideal approach for consensus reaching is over the mic, however, your input at the Reports/Feedback thread also accomplishes this task. This first step is a very significant one, and will lay the foundation for the book.

(All current active members of GT are encouraged to provide input to the above on or before our next meeting, (Novermber 19, 2009 @ 9:00 AM Central), by posting here to the Reports/Feedback thread).

Progress Report

The GroupThink Project-Group held it’s 55th meeting, November 19, 2009. The (GT) meeting was promptly called at 10:00 AM Eastern and concluded at 11:00 AM Eastern. In attendance and on the mic for GT were brown_Hornet, Chevron Dove and Clyde C. Coger, Jr.

Family members in attendance were queentswana, Remby and LOVEDR.

GroupThink proudly announces the creation of a mock Store Front at Zazzle.com. Brother brown_hOrnet has done a fantastic job arranging views, selections and choices of various items for the perspective customer. The Family is encourage to stop bye and take a look, at the again, the mock set-up.

While we await the final transaction of Sister Destee and said vendor, we have this display available, as a look into the future sales of useable merchandise, the Community, we feel, will be excited about. To peek, pleace visit Zazzle.com, the log in information can be found below.

.................................................. ...................

Mock Zazzle.com Store Front :toast:
To Shop: http://www.zazzle.com/

Release of Log in information pending Sister's Destee's approval :toast: Sorry About That!

.................................................. .......................

Related basic agenda outstanding is…determining a winner and Title of the homegrown publication, which awards the winner 3 mos. of Premium Membership sponsored by GT.

Our continued joint effort remains as follows:

Starting with the basic agenda, our work, to determine consensus-based resolutions, has begun. We need to weight in on the INTRODUCTION: Why Studying the Origins of Racism is Helpful to our People, and the questions: What is Racism? What is and isn't Racism? and Definitions of Racism (http://destee.com/forums/showpost.ph...5&postcount=51). The ideal approach for consensus reaching is over the mic, however, your input at the Reports/Feedback thread also accomplishes this task. This first step is a very significant one, and will lay the foundation for the book.

(All current active members of GT are encouraged to provide input to the above on or before our next meeting, (Novermber 26, 2009 @ 9:00 AM Central), by posting here to the Reports/Feedback thread).

WARRIOR

11-22-2009, 04:09 AM

Progress Report

The GroupThink Project-Group held it’s 55th meeting, November 19, 2009. The (GT) meeting was promptly called at 10:00 AM Eastern and concluded at 11:00 AM Eastern. In attendance and on the mic for GT were brown_Hornet, Chevron Dove and Clyde C. Coger, Jr.

Family members in attendance were queentswana, Remby and LOVEDR.

GroupThink proudly announces the creation of a mock Store Front at Zazzle.com. Brother brown_hOrnet has done a fantastic job arranging views, selections and choices of various items for the perspective customer. The Family is encourage to stop bye and take a look, at the again, the mock set-up.

While we await the final transaction of Sister Destee and said vendor, we have this display available, as a look into the future sales of useable merchandise, the Community, we feel, will be excited about. To peek, pleace visit Zazzle.com, the log in information can be found below.

.................................................. ...................

Mock Zazzle.com Store Front :toast:
To Shop: http://www.zazzle.com/

Release of Log in information pending Sister's Destee's approval :toast: Sorry About That!

.................................................. .......................

Related basic agenda outstanding is…determining a winner and Title of the homegrown publication, which awards the winner 3 mos. of Premium Membership sponsored by GT.

Our continued joint effort remains as follows:

Starting with the basic agenda, our work, to determine consensus-based resolutions, has begun. We need to weight in on the INTRODUCTION: Why Studying the Origins of Racism is Helpful to our People, and the questions: What is Racism? What is and isn't Racism? and Definitions of Racism (http://destee.com/forums/showpost.ph...5&postcount=51). The ideal approach for consensus reaching is over the mic, however, your input at the Reports/Feedback thread also accomplishes this task. This first step is a very significant one, and will lay the foundation for the book.

(All current active members of GT are encouraged to provide input to the above on or before our next meeting, (Novermber 26, 2009 @ 9:00 AM Central), by posting here to the Reports/Feedback thread).

AS LONG AS THE GT MEMBERS HAVE FORGIVENESS ALIVE & WELL IN THEIR HEARTS.....MY APOLOGIES FOR BEING ABSENT WILL NEVER CEASE....

SO , AGAIN.......I APOLOGIZE FOR MY ABSENCE.....50 TO 60 HOUR WORK-WEEKS DO INDEED TAKE ITS TOLL......

AND CONSIDERING THE NON-STOP OVERTIME DOES PUTS US IN A LARGER TAX-BRACKET , AGAIN , LIMITS OUR SAVING & SPENDING POWER....

THOUGH I DO FEEL THE RULES HAVE CHANGED ENTIRELY IN THE INDUSTRIAL ARENA , ESPECIALLY WHEN IT COMES TO LABOR......AND I ALSO FEEL THERE IS A MUCH LARGER DESIGN AT PLAY HERE......TO KEEP WORKERS TIRED , DEAF.....AND BLIND.....

ENOUGH OF THAT......LET IT BE KNOWN THAT I AM VERY PROUD OF BRO. BROWN HORNETS EXECUTION ON THE STOREFRONT.....AND I CANNOT WAIT TO PUT MY DESTEE.COM COFFEEMUGS IN ACTION....( i don"t drink coffee but milk will do :) ).....

I STAND IN ACKNOWLEDGEMENT OF ALL OTHER ISSUES......

WARRIOR

Clyde Coger

11-22-2009, 02:11 PM

AS LONG AS THE GT MEMBERS HAVE FORGIVENESS ALIVE & WELL IN THEIR HEARTS.....MY APOLOGIES FOR BEING ABSENT WILL NEVER CEASE....

SO , AGAIN.......I APOLOGIZE FOR MY ABSENCE.....50 TO 60 HOUR WORK-WEEKS DO INDEED TAKE ITS TOLL......

AND CONSIDERING THE NON-STOP OVERTIME DOES PUTS US IN A LARGER TAX-BRACKET , AGAIN , LIMITS OUR SAVING & SPENDING POWER....

THOUGH I DO FEEL THE RULES HAVE CHANGED ENTIRELY IN THE INDUSTRIAL ARENA , ESPECIALLY WHEN IT COMES TO LABOR......AND I ALSO FEEL THERE IS A MUCH LARGER DESIGN AT PLAY HERE......TO KEEP WORKERS TIRED , DEAF.....AND BLIND.....

ENOUGH OF THAT......LET IT BE KNOWN THAT I AM VERY PROUD OF BRO. BROWN HORNETS EXECUTION ON THE STOREFRONT.....AND I CANNOT WAIT TO PUT MY DESTEE.COM COFFEEMUGS IN ACTION....( i don"t drink coffee but milk will do :) ).....

I STAND IN ACKNOWLEDGEMENT OF ALL OTHER ISSUES......

WARRIOR

I must agree Bro. WARRIOR, brown_hOrnet did an excellent job with the Zazzle Project; enough cannot be said about the brother's loyalty and commitment to close the one step away from greatness gap ...Peace In my bro. friend.

Clyde Coger

12-01-2009, 10:59 AM

Progress Report

The GroupThink Project-Group held it’s 55th meeting, November 19, 2009. The (GT) meeting was promptly called at 10:00 AM Eastern and concluded at 11:00 AM Eastern. In attendance and on the mic for GT were brown_Hornet, Chevron Dove and Clyde C. Coger, Jr.

Family members in attendance were queentswana, Remby and LOVEDR.

GroupThink proudly announces the creation of a mock Store Front at Zazzle.com. Brother brown_hOrnet has done a fantastic job arranging views, selections and choices of various items for the perspective customer. The Family is encourage to stop bye and take a look, at the again, the mock set-up.

While we await the final transaction of Sister Destee and said vendor, we have this display available, as a look into the future sales of useable merchandise, the Community, we feel, will be excited about. To peek, pleace visit Zazzle.com, the log in information can be found below.

.................................................. ...................

Mock Zazzle.com Store Front :toast:
To Shop: http://www.zazzle.com/

Release of Log in information pending Sister's Destee's approval :toast: Sorry About That!

.................................................. .......................

Related basic agenda outstanding is…determining a winner and Title of the homegrown publication, which awards the winner 3 mos. of Premium Membership sponsored by GT.

Our continued joint effort remains as follows:

Starting with the basic agenda, our work, to determine consensus-based resolutions, has begun. We need to weight in on the INTRODUCTION: Why Studying the Origins of Racism is Helpful to our People, and the questions: What is Racism? What is and isn't Racism? and Definitions of Racism (http://destee.com/forums/showpost.ph...5&postcount=51). The ideal approach for consensus reaching is over the mic, however, your input at the Reports/Feedback thread also accomplishes this task. This first step is a very significant one, and will lay the foundation for the book.

(All current active members of GT are encouraged to provide input to the above on or before our next meeting, (Novermber 26, 2009 @ 9:00 AM Central), by posting here to the Reports/Feedback thread).

Progress Report

The GroupThink Project-Group held it’s 56th meeting, November 26, 2009. The (GT) meeting was promptly called at 10:00 AM Eastern and concluded at 11:00 AM Eastern. In attendance and on the mic for GT were brown_Hornet, WARRIOR and Clyde C. Coger, Jr.

Family members in attendance were queentswana and Remby.

Through consensus, GT will return to it's final project, completing the homegrown publication, with all deliberate speed. Efforts to drill-down on the title, table of contents and material; with the awarding of 3 months Premium Membership, sponsored by GT, will be awarded to the Family member, fundamentally connected to the selection. If a group member is that person, then a Familly member of choice will be designated the awardee.

The newsletter and T-Shirt projects are at a point where GT can only monitor, with a vigilant eye, their successful implementation.
.................................................. ...................

Mock Zazzle.com Store Front :toast:
To Shop: http://www.zazzle.com/

Release of Log in information pending Sister's Destee's approval :toast: Sorry About That!

.................................................. .......................

Related basic agenda outstanding is…determining a winner and Title of the homegrown publication, which awards the winner 3 mos. of Premium Membership sponsored by GT.

Our continued joint effort remains as follows:

Starting with the basic agenda, our work, to determine consensus-based resolutions, has begun. We need to weight in on the INTRODUCTION: Why Studying the Origins of Racism is Helpful to our People, and the questions: What is Racism? What is and isn't Racism? and Definitions of Racism (http://destee.com/forums/showpost.ph...5&postcount=51). The ideal approach for consensus reaching is over the mic, however, your input at the Reports/Feedback thread also accomplishes this task. This first step is a very significant one, and will lay the foundation for the book.

(All current active members of GT are encouraged to provide input to the above on or before our next meeting, (December 03, 2009 @ 9:00 AM Central), by posting here to the Reports/Feedback thread).

Clyde Coger

12-03-2009, 06:58 PM

Progress Report

The GroupThink Project-Group held it’s 56th meeting, November 26, 2009. The (GT) meeting was promptly called at 10:00 AM Eastern and concluded at 11:00 AM Eastern. In attendance and on the mic for GT were brown_Hornet, WARRIOR and Clyde C. Coger, Jr.

Family members in attendance were queentswana and Remby.

Through consensus, GT will return to it's final project, completing the homegrown publication, with all deliberate speed. Efforts to drill-down on the title, table of contents and material; with the awarding of 3 months Premium Membership, sponsored by GT, will be awarded to the Family member, fundamentally connected to the selection. If a group member is that person, then a Familly member of choice will be designated the awardee.

The newsletter and T-Shirt projects are at a point where GT can only monitor, with a vigilant eye, their successful implementation.
.................................................. ...................

Mock Zazzle.com Store Front :toast:
To Shop: http://www.zazzle.com/

Release of Log in information pending Sister's Destee's approval :toast: Sorry About That!

.................................................. .......................

Related basic agenda outstanding is…determining a winner and Title of the homegrown publication, which awards the winner 3 mos. of Premium Membership sponsored by GT.

Our continued joint effort remains as follows:

Starting with the basic agenda, our work, to determine consensus-based resolutions, has begun. We need to weight in on the INTRODUCTION: Why Studying the Origins of Racism is Helpful to our People, and the questions: What is Racism? What is and isn't Racism? and Definitions of Racism (http://destee.com/forums/showpost.ph...5&postcount=51). The ideal approach for consensus reaching is over the mic, however, your input at the Reports/Feedback thread also accomplishes this task. This first step is a very significant one, and will lay the foundation for the book.

(All current active members of GT are encouraged to provide input to the above on or before our next meeting, (December 03, 2009 @ 9:00 AM Central), by posting here to the Reports/Feedback thread).

Progress Report

The GroupThink Project-Group held it’s 57th meeting, December 03, 2009. The (GT) meeting was promptly called at 10:00 AM Eastern and concluded at 11:00 AM Eastern. In attendance and on the mic for GT were brown_Hornet, and Clyde C. Coger, Jr.

Family members in attendance were queentswana and Remby.

A very productive meeting concluded the title selection of the home-grown publication. The road map leading to completion of the third and final project of GT was accepted and is in place, which assures the needed flexibility for success. From this point forward Family, the majority of our work will be conducted in the PRIVATE-GroupThink forum, as a safeguard protecting the ideals for the manuscript.

.................................................. ...................

Mock Zazzle.com Store Front :toast:
To Shop: http://www.zazzle.com/

Release of Log in information pending Sister's Destee's approval :toast: Sorry About That!

.................................................. .......................

Related basic agenda outstanding is…determining a winner and Title of the homegrown publication, which awards the winner 3 mos. of Premium Membership sponsored by GT.

Our continued joint effort remains as follows:

Starting with the basic agenda, our work, to determine consensus-based resolutions, has begun. We need to weight in on the INTRODUCTION: Why Studying the Origins of Racism is Helpful to our People, and the questions: What is Racism? What is and isn't Racism? and Definitions of Racism (http://destee.com/forums/showpost.ph...5&postcount=51). The ideal approach for consensus reaching is over the mic, however, your input at the Reports/Feedback thread also accomplishes this task. This first step is a very significant one, and will lay the foundation for the book.

(All current active members of GT are encouraged to provide input to the above on or before our next meeting, (December 10, 2009 @ 9:00 AM Central), by posting here to the Reports/Feedback thread).

[/QUOTE]

WARRIOR

12-04-2009, 06:22 PM

Clyde Coger

12-10-2009, 09:49 PM

Progress Report

The GroupThink Project-Group held it’s 57th meeting, December 03, 2009. The (GT) meeting was promptly called at 10:00 AM Eastern and concluded at 11:00 AM Eastern. In attendance and on the mic for GT were brown_Hornet, and Clyde C. Coger, Jr.

Family members in attendance were queentswana and Remby.

A very productive meeting concluded the title selection of the home-grown publication. The road map leading to completion of the third and final project of GT was accepted and is in place, which assures the needed flexibility for success. From this point forward Family, the majority of our work will be conducted in the PRIVATE-GroupThink forum, as a safeguard protecting the ideals for the manuscript.

.................................................. ...................

Mock Zazzle.com Store Front :toast:
To Shop: http://www.zazzle.com/

Release of Log in information pending Sister's Destee's approval :toast: Sorry About That!

.................................................. .......................

Related basic agenda outstanding is…determining a winner and Title of the homegrown publication, which awards the winner 3 mos. of Premium Membership sponsored by GT.

Our continued joint effort remains as follows:

Starting with the basic agenda, our work, to determine consensus-based resolutions, has begun. We need to weight in on the INTRODUCTION: Why Studying the Origins of Racism is Helpful to our People, and the questions: What is Racism? What is and isn't Racism? and Definitions of Racism (http://destee.com/forums/showpost.ph...5&postcount=51). The ideal approach for consensus reaching is over the mic, however, your input at the Reports/Feedback thread also accomplishes this task. This first step is a very significant one, and will lay the foundation for the book.

(All current active members of GT are encouraged to provide input to the above on or before our next meeting, (December 10, 2009 @ 9:00 AM Central), by posting here to the Reports/Feedback thread).

Progress Report

The GroupThink Project-Group held it’s 58th meeting, December 10, 2009. The (GT) meeting was promptly called at 10:00 AM Eastern and concluded at 11:00 AM Eastern. In attendance and on the mic for GT were brown_Hornet, and Clyde C. Coger, Jr.

Family members in attendance were queentswana and Remby.

The person selected from the Destee.com Family to win 3 mos. Premium Membership sponsored by GT, has been declared. The announcement should take place by month end. In view of such excellent title choices, the final decision was not easy. Hats off to SeekingMaat for help making this important step a reality.

The necessary steps safeguarding content material was agreed upon and awaits implementation when Sister Destee returns.

.................................................. ...................

Mock Zazzle.com Store Front :toast:
To Shop: http://www.zazzle.com/

Release of Log in information pending Sister's Destee's approval :toast: Sorry About That!

.................................................. .......................

Our continued joint effort remains as follows:

Starting with the basic agenda, our work, to determine consensus-based resolutions, has begun. We need to weight in on the INTRODUCTION: Why Studying the Origins of Racism is Helpful to our People, and the questions: What is Racism? What is and isn't Racism? and Definitions of Racism (http://destee.com/forums/showpost.ph...5&postcount=51). The ideal approach for consensus reaching is over the mic, however, your input at the Reports/Feedback thread also accomplishes this task. This first step is a very significant one, and will lay the foundation for the book.

(All current active members of GT are encouraged to provide input to the above on or before our next meeting, (December 17, 2009 @ 9:00 AM Central), by posting here to the Reports/Feedback thread).

[/QUOTE]

Clyde Coger

12-17-2009, 10:59 PM

Progress Report

The GroupThink Project-Group held it’s 58th meeting, December 10, 2009. The (GT) meeting was promptly called at 10:00 AM Eastern and concluded at 11:00 AM Eastern. In attendance and on the mic for GT were brown_Hornet, and Clyde C. Coger, Jr.

Family members in attendance were queentswana and Remby.

The person selected from the Destee.com Family to win 3 mos. Premium Membership sponsored by GT, has been declared. The announcement should take place by month end. In view of such excellent title choices, the final decision was not easy. Hats off to SeekingMaat for help making this important step a reality.

The necessary steps safeguarding content material was agreed upon and awaits implementation when Sister Destee returns.

.................................................. ...................

Mock Zazzle.com Store Front :toast:
To Shop: http://www.zazzle.com/

Release of Log in information pending Sister's Destee's approval :toast: Sorry About That!

.................................................. .......................

Our continued joint effort remains as follows:

Starting with the basic agenda, our work, to determine consensus-based resolutions, has begun. We need to weight in on the INTRODUCTION: Why Studying the Origins of Racism is Helpful to our People, and the questions: What is Racism? What is and isn't Racism? and Definitions of Racism (http://destee.com/forums/showpost.ph...5&postcount=51). The ideal approach for consensus reaching is over the mic, however, your input at the Reports/Feedback thread also accomplishes this task. This first step is a very significant one, and will lay the foundation for the book.

(All current active members of GT are encouraged to provide input to the above on or before our next meeting, (December 17, 2009 @ 9:00 AM Central), by posting here to the Reports/Feedback thread).

Progress Report

The GroupThink Project-Group held it’s 59th meeting, December 17, 2009. The (GT) meeting was promptly called at 10:00 AM Eastern and concluded at 11:00 AM Eastern. In attendance and on the mic for GT were brown_Hornet, and Clyde C. Coger, Jr.

Family member in attendance was oldiesman.

In order to expedite completion of the homegrown, members of GT agree to re-align the meeting schedule to accomodate full participation. The definition of racism will be the subject for consensus in the next meeting. Please come prepared or submit your input between now and next week.

It was decided to launch the Zazzle store front and increase available items, in hopes that Sister Destee will agree to move forward with the T-Shirt program, in lieu of her Chicago contact. We are encourage that revenue will be generated that can aid and assist our Beloved Sister doing the current crisis.

.................................................. ...................

Mock Zazzle.com Store Front :toast:
To Shop: http://www.zazzle.com/

Release of Log in information pending Sister's Destee's approval :toast: Sorry About That!

.................................................. .......................

Our continued joint effort remains as follows:

Starting with the basic agenda, our work, to determine consensus-based resolutions, has begun. We need to weight in on the INTRODUCTION: Why Studying the Origins of Racism is Helpful to our People, and the questions: What is Racism? What is and isn't Racism? and Definitions of Racism (http://destee.com/forums/showpost.ph...5&postcount=51). The ideal approach for consensus reaching is over the mic, however, your input at the Reports/Feedback thread also accomplishes this task. This first step is a very significant one, and will lay the foundation for the book.

(All current active members of GT are encouraged to provide input to the above on or before our next meeting, (December 24, 2009 @ 9:00 AM Central), by posting here to the Reports/Feedback thread).

WARRIOR

12-18-2009, 04:58 AM

WARRIOR

12-18-2009, 05:00 AM

Destee

12-18-2009, 07:30 PM

Clyde Coger

12-18-2009, 07:41 PM

Thank You Brothers Clyde, Brown H0rnet, and WARRIOR.

I apologize for not being more present, and do give my permission for you all to move forward with zazzle without me.

I appreciate you all so much, your willingness to work with and for the community, helping us grow, and sharing the information with us.

Yes Yes Yes ... under the current circumstance, we need all the help we can get.

So if we can sell a t-shirt or two right now, in lieu of my ideas and provider, please move forward without me.

Thanks again for all of your help, love, everything!

Much Love and Peace.

:heart:

Destee

Sister Destee,

Thank you for taking the time out to address the site and concerns of GroupThink. brown_hOrnet, especially will be extremely excited to know of your approval to go ahead with the T-Shirt Program through Zazzle.com.

Again, ty very much. I look forward to any update on the family situation and hope that our prayers are making a differenct...Peace and Love.

Clyde Coger

12-24-2009, 12:43 PM

Progress Report

The GroupThink Project-Group held it’s 59th meeting, December 17, 2009. The (GT) meeting was promptly called at 10:00 AM Eastern and concluded at 11:00 AM Eastern. In attendance and on the mic for GT were brown_Hornet, and Clyde C. Coger, Jr.

Family member in attendance was oldiesman.

In order to expedite completion of the homegrown, members of GT agree to re-align the meeting schedule to accomodate full participation. The definition of racism will be the subject for consensus in the next meeting. Please come prepared or submit your input between now and next week.

It was decided to launch the Zazzle store front and increase available items, in hopes that Sister Destee will agree to move forward with the T-Shirt program, in lieu of her Chicago contact. We are encourage that revenue will be generated that can aid and assist our Beloved Sister doing the current crisis.

.................................................. ...................

Mock Zazzle.com Store Front :toast:
To Shop: http://www.zazzle.com/

Release of Log in information pending Sister's Destee's approval :toast: Sorry About That!

.................................................. .......................

Our continued joint effort remains as follows:

Starting with the basic agenda, our work, to determine consensus-based resolutions, has begun. We need to weight in on the INTRODUCTION: Why Studying the Origins of Racism is Helpful to our People, and the questions: What is Racism? What is and isn't Racism? and Definitions of Racism (http://destee.com/forums/showpost.ph...5&postcount=51). The ideal approach for consensus reaching is over the mic, however, your input at the Reports/Feedback thread also accomplishes this task. This first step is a very significant one, and will lay the foundation for the book.

(All current active members of GT are encouraged to provide input to the above on or before our next meeting, (December 24, 2009 @ 9:00 AM Central), by posting here to the Reports/Feedback thread).

Progress Report

The GroupThink Project-Group held it’s 60th meeting, December 24, 2009. The (GT) meeting was promptly called at 10:00 AM Eastern and concluded at 11:00 AM Eastern. In attendance and on the mic for GT were brown_Hornet, and Clyde C. Coger, Jr.

Family member in attendance was queentswana.

Officially, GroupThink's meeting time will be changed to 7:00 AM Central, in lieu of 9:00 AM Central. The meeting will continue to last for only one hour. Also, only minor moves remain before kicking off the T-Shirt program through Zazzle.com. Everything from T-Shirts to coffee mugs will be sold with the exclusive Destee.com logo...Hopefully, in time for Christmas gifts:), for those so moved.

GT members are asked to come prepared to reach consensus based material on the definition(s) of racism, as we move toward completion of the homegrown publication.

SHOP ZAZZLE.COM FOR YOUR PERSONAL AND GIFT NEEDS

.................................................. ...................

Mock Zazzle.com Store Front :toast:
To Shop: http://www.zazzle.com/

Release of Log in information pending Sister's Destee's approval :toast: Sorry About That!

.................................................. .......................

Our continued joint effort remains as follows:

Starting with the basic agenda, our work, to determine consensus-based resolutions, has begun. We need to weight in on the INTRODUCTION: Why Studying the Origins of Racism is Helpful to our People, and the questions: What is Racism? What is and isn't Racism? and Definitions of Racism (http://destee.com/forums/showpost.ph...5&postcount=51). The ideal approach for consensus reaching is over the mic, however, your input at the Reports/Feedback thread also accomplishes this task. This first step is a very significant one, and will lay the foundation for the book.

(All current active members of GT are encouraged to provide input to the above on or before our next meeting, (December 31, 2009 @ 7:00 AM Central), by posting here to the Reports/Feedback thread).

Clyde Coger

12-31-2009, 10:08 AM

Progress Report

The GroupThink Project-Group held it’s 60th meeting, December 24, 2009. The (GT) meeting was promptly called at 10:00 AM Eastern and concluded at 11:00 AM Eastern. In attendance and on the mic for GT were brown_Hornet, and Clyde C. Coger, Jr.

Family member in attendance was queentswana.

Officially, GroupThink's meeting time will be changed to 7:00 AM Central, in lieu of 9:00 AM Central. The meeting will continue to last for only one hour. Also, only minor moves remain before kicking off the T-Shirt program through Zazzle.com. Everything from T-Shirts to coffee mugs will be sold with the exclusive Destee.com logo...Hopefully, in time for Christmas gifts:), for those so moved.

GT members are asked to come prepared to reach consensus based material on the definition(s) of racism, as we move toward completion of the homegrown publication.

SHOP ZAZZLE.COM FOR YOUR PERSONAL AND GIFT NEEDS

.................................................. ...................

Mock Zazzle.com Store Front :toast:
To Shop: http://www.zazzle.com/

Release of Log in information pending Sister's Destee's approval :toast: Sorry About That!

.................................................. .......................

Our continued joint effort remains as follows:

Starting with the basic agenda, our work, to determine consensus-based resolutions, has begun. We need to weight in on the INTRODUCTION: Why Studying the Origins of Racism is Helpful to our People, and the questions: What is Racism? What is and isn't Racism? and Definitions of Racism http://destee.com/forums/showpost.php?p=541305&postcount=51 The ideal approach for consensus reaching is over the mic, however, your input at the Reports/Feedback thread also accomplishes this task. This first step is a very significant one, and will lay the foundation for the book.

(All current active members of GT are encouraged to provide input to the above on or before our next meeting, (December 31, 2009 @ 7:00 AM Central), by posting here to the Reports/Feedback thread).

Progress Report

The GroupThink Project-Group held it’s 61st meeting, December 31, 2009. The (GT) meeting was promptly called at 10:00 AM Eastern and concluded at 11:00 AM Eastern. In attendance and on the mic for GT were brown_Hornet, and Clyde C. Coger, Jr.

Family members in attendance were UPTOWNE, queentswana and bro. mohammed.

A method confirming a GT schedule change was worked out and will be implemented before our next schedule. In view of Sister Destee's plight, we remain hopeful that the T-Shirt Program will be launched for the New Year(2010), and many continued blessings to our Goddess.

Again, GT members are asked to come prepared to reach consensus based material on the definition(s) of racism, as we move toward completion of the homegrown publication.

Notification will be made to the Family member selected to receive the prize of 3 mos. of Premium Membership for their participation in naming the homegrown publication; beginning January, 2010 thru March, 2010.

SHOP ZAZZLE.COM FOR YOUR PERSONAL AND GIFT NEEDS

.................................................. ...................

Mock Zazzle.com Store Front :toast:
To Shop: http://www.zazzle.com/

Release of Log in information pending Sister's Destee's approval :toast: Sorry About That!

.................................................. .......................

Our continued joint effort remains as follows:

Starting with the basic agenda, our work, to determine consensus-based resolutions, has begun. We need to weight in on the INTRODUCTION: Why Studying the Origins of Racism is Helpful to our People, and the questions: What is Racism? What is and isn't Racism? and Definitions of Racism (http://destee.com/forums/showpost.ph...5&postcount=51). The ideal approach for consensus reaching is over the mic, however, your input at the Reports/Feedback thread also accomplishes this task. This first step is a very significant one, and will lay the foundation for the book.

(All current active members of GT are encouraged to provide input to the above on or before our next meeting, (January 07, 2010 @ 9:00 AM Central), by posting here to the Reports/Feedback thread).

Clyde Coger

01-07-2010, 07:24 PM

Progress Report

The GroupThink Project-Group held it’s 61st meeting, December 31, 2009. The (GT) meeting was promptly called at 10:00 AM Eastern and concluded at 11:00 AM Eastern. In attendance and on the mic for GT were brown_Hornet, and Clyde C. Coger, Jr.

Family members in attendance were UPTOWNE, queentswana and bro. mohammed.

A method confirming a GT schedule change was worked out and will be implemented before our next schedule. In view of Sister Destee's plight, we remain hopeful that the T-Shirt Program will be launched for the New Year(2010), and many continued blessings to our Goddess.

Again, GT members are asked to come prepared to reach consensus based material on the definition(s) of racism, as we move toward completion of the homegrown publication.

Notification will be made to the Family member selected to receive the prize of 3 mos. of Premium Membership for their participation in naming the homegrown publication; beginning January, 2010 thru March, 2010.

SHOP ZAZZLE.COM FOR YOUR PERSONAL AND GIFT NEEDS

.................................................. ...................

Mock Zazzle.com Store Front :toast:
To Shop: http://www.zazzle.com/

Release of Log in information pending Sister's Destee's approval :toast: Sorry About That!

.................................................. .......................

Our continued joint effort remains as follows:

Starting with the basic agenda, our work, to determine consensus-based resolutions, has begun. We need to weight in on the INTRODUCTION: Why Studying the Origins of Racism is Helpful to our People, and the questions: What is Racism? What is and isn't Racism? and Definitions of Racism (http://destee.com/forums/showpost.ph...5&postcount=51). The ideal approach for consensus reaching is over the mic, however, your input at the Reports/Feedback thread also accomplishes this task. This first step is a very significant one, and will lay the foundation for the book.

(All current active members of GT are encouraged to provide input to the above on or before our next meeting, (January 07, 2010 @ 9:00 AM Central), by posting here to the Reports/Feedback thread).

Progress Report

The GroupThink Project-Group held it’s 62nd meeting, January 07, 2010. The (GT) meeting was promptly called at 10:00 AM Eastern and concluded at 11:00 AM Eastern. In attendance and on the mic for GT were brown_Hornet, WARRIOR and Clyde C. Coger, Jr.

Family member in attendance, Michael6945.

Thanks to Sister queentswana, GT's new and needed schedule change was without glitch. All items discussed found agreement on the merits and promises productive thru-put.

The newsletter name change from Destee.comNews to DesteeNation, as submitted by Sister SeekingMaat, is still pending final approval from Sister Destee. There may be domain conflict, in that, Destee Nation.com exists already and ironically, sales T-Shirts, etc...

GroupThink accepts the task of following through on a suggestion from Sister cherryblossom, concerning Destee.com Poetry being posted on Billboards in Local Cities. The suggestion actually concurs with a long time desire of the group, and will be implemented based upon the City having a concentration of conscious Black People and the best location to promote Destee.com. The link below depicts the poet and poem selected for this back burner project:

The Black Condition...by 1poetsought
http://destee.com/forums/showpost.php?p=577285&postcount=14

Coordinating the details for permission, etc...remain.

SHOP ZAZZLE.COM FOR YOUR PERSONAL AND GIFT NEEDS

.................................................. ...................

Mock Zazzle.com Store Front :toast:
To Shop: http://www.zazzle.com/

Release of Log in information pending Sister's Destee's approval :toast: Sorry About That!

.................................................. .......................

Our continued joint effort remains as follows:

Starting with the basic agenda, our work, to determine consensus-based resolutions, has begun. We need to weight in on the INTRODUCTION: Why Studying the Origins of Racism is Helpful to our People, and the questions: What is Racism? What is and isn't Racism? and Definitions of Racism http://destee.com/forums/showpost.php?p=541305&postcount=51. The ideal approach for consensus reaching is over the mic, however, your input at the Reports/Feedback thread also accomplishes this task. This first step is a very significant one, and will lay the foundation for the book.

(All current active members of GT are encouraged to provide input to the above on or before our next meeting, (January 14, 2010 @ 7:00 AM Central), by posting here to the Reports/Feedback thread).

Clyde Coger

01-14-2010, 08:13 AM

Progress Report

The GroupThink Project-Group held it’s 62nd meeting, January 07, 2010. The (GT) meeting was promptly called at 10:00 AM Eastern and concluded at 11:00 AM Eastern. In attendance and on the mic for GT were brown_Hornet, WARRIOR and Clyde C. Coger, Jr.

Family member in attendance, Michael6945.

Thanks to Sister queentswana, GT's new and needed schedule change was without glitch. All items discussed found agreement on the merits and promises productive thru-put.

The newsletter name change from Destee.comNews to DesteeNation, as submitted by Sister SeekingMaat, is still pending final approval from Sister Destee. There may be domain conflict, in that, Destee Nation.com exists already and ironically, sales T-Shirts, etc...

GroupThink accepts the task of following through on a suggestion from Sister cherryblossom, concerning Destee.com Poetry being posted on Billboards in Local Cities. The suggestion actually concurs with a long time desire of the group, and will be implemented based upon the City having a concentration of conscious Black People and the best location to promote Destee.com. The link below depicts the poet and poem selected for this back burner project:

The Black Condition...by 1poetsought
http://destee.com/forums/showpost.php?p=577285&postcount=14

Coordinating the details for permission, etc...remain.

SHOP ZAZZLE.COM FOR YOUR PERSONAL AND GIFT NEEDS

.................................................. ...................

Mock Zazzle.com Store Front :toast:
To Shop: http://www.zazzle.com/

Release of Log in information pending Sister's Destee's approval :toast: Sorry About That!

.................................................. .......................

Our continued joint effort remains as follows:

Starting with the basic agenda, our work, to determine consensus-based resolutions, has begun. We need to weight in on the INTRODUCTION: Why Studying the Origins of Racism is Helpful to our People, and the questions: What is Racism? What is and isn't Racism? and Definitions of Racism http://destee.com/forums/showpost.php?p=541305&postcount=51. The ideal approach for consensus reaching is over the mic, however, your input at the Reports/Feedback thread also accomplishes this task. This first step is a very significant one, and will lay the foundation for the book.

(All current active members of GT are encouraged to provide input to the above on or before our next meeting, (January 14, 2010 @ 7:00 AM Central), by posting here to the Reports/Feedback thread).

Progress Report

The GroupThink Project-Group held it’s 63rd meeting, January 14, 2010. The (GT) meeting was promptly called at 08:00 AM Eastern and concluded at 09:00 AM Eastern. In attendance and on the mic for GT were brown_Hornet, WARRIOR and Clyde C. Coger, Jr.

Family members in attendance, sevenyears and saglifesaw.

The Banners for the Destee.com Storefront are ready for Sister Destee's selection and implementation, and our prayers continue to flow for our Goddess and her family. Serious steps were taken formulating procedures for the homegrown publication. The definition of Racism and Table of Contents are being sequenced. Brother Jahari Kavi has been notified of the reward and is designated a Premium Member through March, 2010 for his input toward the final title selection of the homegrown publication.

.................................................. ...................

Mock Zazzle.com Store Front :toast:
To Shop: http://www.zazzle.com/

SHOP ZAZZLE.COM FOR YOUR PERSONAL AND GIFT NEEDS

.................................................. .......................

Our continued joint effort remains as follows:

Starting with the basic agenda, our work, to determine consensus-based resolutions, has begun. We need to weight in on the INTRODUCTION: Why Studying the Origins of Racism is Helpful to our People, and the questions: What is Racism? What is and isn't Racism? and Definitions of Racism http://destee.com/forums/showpost.php?p=541305&postcount=51. The ideal approach for consensus reaching is over the mic, however, your input at the Reports/Feedback thread also accomplishes this task. This first step is a very significant one, and will lay the foundation for the book.

(All current active members of GT are encouraged to provide input to the above on or before our next meeting, (January 21, 2010 @ 7:00 AM Central), by posting here to the Reports/Feedback thread).

Clyde Coger

01-22-2010, 12:10 AM

Progress Report

The GroupThink Project-Group held it’s 63rd meeting, January 14, 2010. The (GT) meeting was promptly called at 08:00 AM Eastern and concluded at 09:00 AM Eastern. In attendance and on the mic for GT were brown_Hornet, WARRIOR and Clyde C. Coger, Jr.

Family members in attendance, sevenyears and saglifesaw.

The Banners for the Destee.com Storefront are ready for Sister Destee's selection and implementation, and our prayers continue to flow for our Goddess and her family. Serious steps were taken formulating procedures for the homegrown publication. The definition of Racism and Table of Contents are being sequenced. Brother Jahari Kavi has been notified of the reward and is designated a Premium Member through March, 2010 for his input toward the final title selection of the homegrown publication.

.................................................. ...................

Mock Zazzle.com Store Front :toast:
To Shop: http://www.zazzle.com/

SHOP ZAZZLE.COM FOR YOUR PERSONAL AND GIFT NEEDS

.................................................. .......................

Our continued joint effort remains as follows:

Starting with the basic agenda, our work, to determine consensus-based resolutions, has begun. We need to weight in on the INTRODUCTION: Why Studying the Origins of Racism is Helpful to our People, and the questions: What is Racism? What is and isn't Racism? and Definitions of Racism http://destee.com/forums/showpost.php?p=541305&postcount=51. The ideal approach for consensus reaching is over the mic, however, your input at the Reports/Feedback thread also accomplishes this task. This first step is a very significant one, and will lay the foundation for the book.

(All current active members of GT are encouraged to provide input to the above on or before our next meeting, (January 21, 2010 @ 7:00 AM Central), by posting here to the Reports/Feedback thread).

Progress Report

The GroupThink Project-Group held it’s 64th meeting, January 21, 2010. The (GT) meeting was promptly called at 08:00 AM Eastern and concluded at 09:00 AM Eastern. In attendance and on the mic for GT were brown_Hornet, WARRIOR and Clyde C. Coger, Jr.

Family members in attendance, Nasheed and Tariq Muhammad.

Contact with Sister Destee was confirmed, Banners were accepted and will be installed soon, throughout the site. Depending upon the success of the IPhone Thread, Bro. WARRIOR has agreed to contribute his input. This move enables GT to help expedite the process by getting involved with relaying information, when needed, for Sister Destee's approval.

Contact was also established with Jahari Kavi and his appreciation of the reward is duly received. There was discussion on creating a deadline for the homegrown publication. A consensus was reached on the basis that under current site conditions, such a deadline would not be feasible.

.................................................. ...................

Mock Zazzle.com Store Front :toast:
To Shop: http://www.zazzle.com/

SHOP ZAZZLE.COM FOR YOUR PERSONAL AND GIFT NEEDS

.................................................. .......................

Our continued joint effort remains as follows:

Starting with the basic agenda, our work, to determine consensus-based resolutions, has begun. We need to weight in on the INTRODUCTION: Why Studying the Origins of Racism is Helpful to our People, and the questions: What is Racism? What is and isn't Racism? and Definitions of Racism http://destee.com/forums/showpost.php?p=541305&postcount=51. The ideal approach for consensus reaching is over the mic, however, your input at the Reports/Feedback thread also accomplishes this task. This first step is a very significant one, and will lay the foundation for the book.

(All current active members of GT are encouraged to provide input to the above on or before our next meeting, (January 28, 2010 @ 7:00 AM Central), by posting here to the Reports/Feedback thread).

Clyde Coger

01-28-2010, 08:10 PM

Progress Report

The GroupThink Project-Group held it’s 64th meeting, January 21, 2010. The (GT) meeting was promptly called at 08:00 AM Eastern and concluded at 09:00 AM Eastern. In attendance and on the mic for GT were brown_Hornet, WARRIOR and Clyde C. Coger, Jr.

Family members in attendance, Nasheed and Tariq Muhammad.

Contact with Sister Destee was confirmed, Banners were accepted and will be installed soon, throughout the site. Depending upon the success of the IPhone Thread, Bro. WARRIOR has agreed to contribute his input. This move enables GT to help expedite the process by getting involved with relaying information, when needed, for Sister Destee's approval.

Contact was also established with Jahari Kavi and his appreciation of the reward is duly received. There was discussion on creating a deadline for the homegrown publication. A consensus was reached on the basis that under current site conditions, such a deadline would not be feasible.

.................................................. ...................

Mock Zazzle.com Store Front :toast:
To Shop: http://www.zazzle.com/

SHOP ZAZZLE.COM FOR YOUR PERSONAL AND GIFT NEEDS

.................................................. .......................

Our continued joint effort remains as follows:

Starting with the basic agenda, our work, to determine consensus-based resolutions, has begun. We need to weight in on the INTRODUCTION: Why Studying the Origins of Racism is Helpful to our People, and the questions: What is Racism? What is and isn't Racism? and Definitions of Racism http://destee.com/forums/showpost.php?p=541305&postcount=51. The ideal approach for consensus reaching is over the mic, however, your input at the Reports/Feedback thread also accomplishes this task. This first step is a very significant one, and will lay the foundation for the book.

(All current active members of GT are encouraged to provide input to the above on or before our next meeting, (January 28, 2010 @ 7:00 AM Central), by posting here to the Reports/Feedback thread).

Progress Report

The GroupThink Project-Group held it’s 65th meeting, January 28, 2010. The (GT) meeting was promptly called at 08:00 AM Eastern and concluded at 09:00 AM Eastern. In attendance and on the mic for GT were brown_Hornet and Clyde C. Coger, Jr.

Family members in attendance, Nasheed and queentswana (little queenie)

GT zeroed in on laying the proper foundation from which to build the unique prespective of racism, using the Oxford Companion to the English Language dictionary as a reference point. If necessary, purchasing this critical reference, will be shared between the members of GroupThink. For the record, Destee_Nation is the current StoreFront name in the Zazzle operation and should not be confused to be an entity different than Destee.com.

.................................................. ...................

Mock Zazzle.com Store Front :toast:
To Shop: http://www.zazzle.com/

SHOP ZAZZLE.COM FOR YOUR PERSONAL AND GIFT NEEDS

.................................................. .......................

Our continued joint effort remains as follows:

Starting with the basic agenda, our work, to determine consensus-based resolutions, has begun. We need to weight in on the INTRODUCTION: Why Studying the Origins of Racism is Helpful to our People, and the questions: What is Racism? What is and isn't Racism? and Definitions of Racism http://destee.com/forums/showpost.php?p=541305&postcount=51. The ideal approach for consensus reaching is over the mic, however, your input at the Reports/Feedback thread also accomplishes this task. This first step is a very significant one, and will lay the foundation for the book.

(All current active members of GT are encouraged to provide input to the above on or before our next meeting, (February 04, 2010 @ 7:00 AM Central), by posting here to the Reports/Feedback thread).

Clyde Coger

02-03-2010, 11:21 PM

Confirmation of 1poetsought's agreement with the Billboard project

http://destee.com/forums/showpost.php?p=633649&postcount=7

Clyde Coger

02-04-2010, 12:16 PM

Progress Report

The GroupThink Project-Group held it’s 65th meeting, January 28, 2010. The (GT) meeting was promptly called at 08:00 AM Eastern and concluded at 09:00 AM Eastern. In attendance and on the mic for GT were brown_Hornet and Clyde C. Coger, Jr.

Family members in attendance, Nasheed and queentswana (little queenie)

GT zeroed in on laying the proper foundation from which to build the unique prespective of racism, using the Oxford Companion to the English Language dictionary as a reference point. If necessary, purchasing this critical reference, will be shared between the members of GroupThink. For the record, Destee_Nation is the current StoreFront name in the Zazzle operation and should not be confused to be an entity different than Destee.com.

.................................................. ...................

Mock Zazzle.com Store Front :toast:
To Shop: http://www.zazzle.com/

SHOP ZAZZLE.COM FOR YOUR PERSONAL AND GIFT NEEDS

.................................................. .......................

Our continued joint effort remains as follows:

Starting with the basic agenda, our work, to determine consensus-based resolutions, has begun. We need to weight in on the INTRODUCTION: Why Studying the Origins of Racism is Helpful to our People, and the questions: What is Racism? What is and isn't Racism? and Definitions of Racism http://destee.com/forums/showpost.php?p=541305&postcount=51. The ideal approach for consensus reaching is over the mic, however, your input at the Reports/Feedback thread also accomplishes this task. This first step is a very significant one, and will lay the foundation for the book.

(All current active members of GT are encouraged to provide input to the above on or before our next meeting, (February 04, 2010 @ 7:00 AM Central), by posting here to the Reports/Feedback thread).

Progress Report

The GroupThink Project-Group held it’s 66th meeting, February 04, 2010. The (GT) meeting was promptly called at 08:00 AM Eastern and concluded at 09:00 AM Eastern. In attendance and on the mic for GT were brown_Hornet, WARRIOR and Clyde C. Coger, Jr.

No members in attendance.

Progress has been made securing source reference material: The Oxford Companion To The English Dictionary by brother brown_hOrnet. We will now begin to close in on the definition portion of the Table of Contents. Brother WARRIOR's receipt of the T-Shirt with the "Shuckin and Jivin" graphic strongly suggests copyrights are in order. Look for the T-Shirt's rotation from his family album on the Home and Index pages.

GT received confirmation from member, 1poestsought, givng us the green light to proceed with the billboard project bearing his poem,: The Black Condition. Details will be worked out and results posted in the not too distance future. http://destee.com/forums/showpost.php?p=633649&postcount=7

.................................................. ...................

Mock Zazzle.com Store Front :toast:
To Shop: http://www.zazzle.com/

SHOP ZAZZLE.COM FOR YOUR PERSONAL AND GIFT NEEDS

.................................................. .......................

Our continued joint effort remains as follows:

Starting with the basic agenda, our work, to determine consensus-based resolutions, has begun. We need to weight in on the INTRODUCTION: Why Studying the Origins of Racism is Helpful to our People, and the questions: What is Racism? What is and isn't Racism? and Definitions of Racism http://destee.com/forums/showpost.php?p=541305&postcount=51. The ideal approach for consensus reaching is over the mic, however, your input at the Reports/Feedback thread also accomplishes this task. This first step is a very significant one, and will lay the foundation for the book.

(All current active members of GT are encouraged to provide input to the above on or before our next meeting, (February 11, 2010 @ 7:00 AM Central), by posting here to the Reports/Feedback thread).

Clyde Coger

02-11-2010, 03:59 PM

Progress Report

The GroupThink Project-Group held it’s 66th meeting, February 11, 2010. The (GT) meeting was promptly called at 08:00 AM Eastern and concluded at 09:00 AM Eastern. In attendance and on the mic for GT were brown_Hornet, WARRIOR and Clyde C. Coger, Jr.

No Member in attendance.

Progress has been made securing source reference material: The Oxford Companion To The English Dictionary by brother brown_hOrnet. We will now begin to close in on the definition portion of the Table of Contents. Brother WARRIOR's receipt of the T-Shirt with the "Shuckin and Jivin" graphic strongly suggests copyrights are in order. Look for the T-Shirt's rotation from his family album on the Home and Index pages.

GT received confirmation from member, 1poestsought, givng us the green light to proceed with the billboard project bearing his poem,: The Black Condition. Details will be worked out and results posted in the not too distance future. http://destee.com/forums/showpost.php?p=633649&postcount=7

.................................................. ...................

Mock Zazzle.com Store Front :toast:
To Shop: http://www.zazzle.com/

SHOP ZAZZLE.COM FOR YOUR PERSONAL AND GIFT NEEDS

.................................................. .......................

Our continued joint effort remains as follows:

Starting with the basic agenda, our work, to determine consensus-based resolutions, has begun. We need to weight in on the INTRODUCTION: Why Studying the Origins of Racism is Helpful to our People, and the questions: What is Racism? What is and isn't Racism? and Definitions of Racism http://destee.com/forums/showpost.php?p=541305&postcount=51. The ideal approach for consensus reaching is over the mic, however, your input at the Reports/Feedback thread also accomplishes this task. This first step is a very significant one, and will lay the foundation for the book.

(All current active members of GT are encouraged to provide input to the above on or before our next meeting, (February 11, 2010 @ 7:00 AM Central), by posting here to the Reports/Feedback thread).

Progress Report

The GroupThink Project-Group held it’s 67th meeting, February 11, 2010. The (GT) meeting was promptly called at 08:00 AM Eastern and concluded at 09:00 AM Eastern. In attendance and on the mic for GT were brown_Hornet, WARRIOR and Clyde C. Coger, Jr.

Member in attendance, London.

Great headway and progress made with finding the critical reference source, Oxford Companion. Brother brown_hOrnet has come through once again for the team, in a big, big way. This lays the foundation to build our answer to the question: What is the Origin of Racism?

Once a path is cleared to the Private GroupThink forum, March may be the expected timeframe to finish up. Brother London's question this morning, put us on notice to hurry up and get it done, lol.

.................................................. ...................

Mock Zazzle.com Store Front :toast:
To Shop: http://www.zazzle.com/

SHOP ZAZZLE.COM FOR YOUR PERSONAL AND GIFT NEEDS

.................................................. .......................

Our continued joint effort remains as follows:

Starting with the basic agenda, our work, to determine consensus-based resolutions, has begun. We need to weight in on the INTRODUCTION: Why Studying the Origins of Racism is Helpful to our People, and the questions: What is Racism? What is and isn't Racism? and Definitions of Racism http://destee.com/forums/showpost.php?p=541305&postcount=51. The ideal approach for consensus reaching is over the mic, however, your input at the Reports/Feedback thread also accomplishes this task. This first step is a very significant one, and will lay the foundation for the book.

(All current active members of GT are encouraged to provide input to the above on or before our next meeting, (February 18, 2010 @ 7:00 AM Central), by posting here to the Reports/Feedback thread).

Clyde Coger

02-18-2010, 09:45 AM

Progress Report

The GroupThink Project-Group held it’s 67th meeting, February 11, 2010. The (GT) meeting was promptly called at 08:00 AM Eastern and concluded at 09:00 AM Eastern. In attendance and on the mic for GT were brown_Hornet, WARRIOR and Clyde C. Coger, Jr.

Member in attendance, London.

Great headway and progress made with finding the critical reference source, Oxford Companion. Brother brown_hOrnet has come through once again for the team, in a big, big way. This lays the foundation to build our answer to the question: What is the Origin of Racism?

Once a path is cleared to the Private GroupThink forum, March may be the expected timeframe to finish up. Brother London's question this morning, put us on notice to hurry up and get it done, lol.

.................................................. ...................

Mock Zazzle.com Store Front :toast:
To Shop: http://www.zazzle.com/

SHOP ZAZZLE.COM FOR YOUR PERSONAL AND GIFT NEEDS

.................................................. .......................

Our continued joint effort remains as follows:

Starting with the basic agenda, our work, to determine consensus-based resolutions, has begun. We need to weight in on the INTRODUCTION: Why Studying the Origins of Racism is Helpful to our People, and the questions: What is Racism? What is and isn't Racism? and Definitions of Racism http://destee.com/forums/showpost.php?p=541305&postcount=51. The ideal approach for consensus reaching is over the mic, however, your input at the Reports/Feedback thread also accomplishes this task. This first step is a very significant one, and will lay the foundation for the book.

(All current active members of GT are encouraged to provide input to the above on or before our next meeting, (February 18, 2010 @ 7:00 AM Central), by posting here to the Reports/Feedback thread).

Progress Report

The GroupThink Project-Group held it’s 68th meeting, February 18, 2010. The (GT) meeting was promptly called at 08:00 AM Eastern and concluded at 09:00 AM Eastern. In attendance and on the mic for GT were brown_Hornet, WARRIOR and Clyde C. Coger, Jr.

No Family member in attendance.

Follow-up to a question concerning, "recording GT meetings" from Bro. London last week, was dispositioned through consensus. It is not GT's desire that this phase of the Group's purpose be recorded; making the Private GroupThink Forum a critical measure toward safe-keeping materials for the homegrown publication, even off site privacy, from time to time. Formulating the Table of Contents begins next week.

.................................................. ...................

Mock Zazzle.com Store Front :toast:
To Shop: http://www.zazzle.com/

SHOP ZAZZLE.COM FOR YOUR PERSONAL AND GIFT NEEDS

.................................................. .......................

Our continued joint effort remains as follows:

Starting with the basic agenda, our work, to determine consensus-based resolutions, has begun. We need to weight in on the INTRODUCTION: Why Studying the Origins of Racism is Helpful to our People, and the questions: What is Racism? What is and isn't Racism? and Definitions of Racism http://destee.com/forums/showpost.php?p=541305&postcount=51. The ideal approach for consensus reaching is over the mic, however, your input at the Reports/Feedback thread also accomplishes this task. This first step is a very significant one, and will lay the foundation for the book.

(All current active members of GT are encouraged to provide input to the above on or before our next meeting, (February 25, 2010 @ 7:00 AM Central), by posting here to the Reports/Feedback thread).

Clyde Coger

03-04-2010, 09:04 AM

Progress Report

The GroupThink Project-Group held it’s 68th meeting, February 18, 2010. The (GT) meeting was promptly called at 08:00 AM Eastern and concluded at 09:00 AM Eastern. In attendance and on the mic for GT were brown_Hornet, WARRIOR and Clyde C. Coger, Jr.

No Family member in attendance.

Follow-up to a question concerning, "recording GT meetings" from Bro. London last week, was dispositioned through consensus. It is not GT's desire that this phase of the Group's purpose be recorded; making the Private GroupThink Forum a critical measure toward safe-keeping materials for the homegrown publication, even off site privacy, from time to time. Formulating the Table of Contents begins next week.

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Our continued joint effort remains as follows:

Starting with the basic agenda, our work, to determine consensus-based resolutions, has begun. We need to weight in on the INTRODUCTION: Why Studying the Origins of Racism is Helpful to our People, and the questions: What is Racism? What is and isn't Racism? and Definitions of Racism http://destee.com/forums/showpost.php?p=541305&postcount=51. The ideal approach for consensus reaching is over the mic, however, your input at the Reports/Feedback thread also accomplishes this task. This first step is a very significant one, and will lay the foundation for the book.

(All current active members of GT are encouraged to provide input to the above on or before our next meeting, (February 25, 2010 @ 7:00 AM Central), by posting here to the Reports/Feedback thread).

Progress Report

The GroupThink Project-Group held it’s 69th meeting, February 25, 2010. The (GT) meeting was promptly called at 08:00 AM Eastern and concluded at 09:00 AM Eastern. In attendance and on the mic for GT were brown_Hornet, WARRIOR and Clyde C. Coger, Jr.

Family member in attendance and site owner, Sister Destee.

GroupThink is now cleared to begin the work on the Home Grown Publication in the Private Forum, thanks to Sister Destee.

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Our continued joint effort remains as follows:

Starting with the basic agenda, our work, to determine consensus-based resolutions, has begun. We need to weight in on the INTRODUCTION: Why Studying the Origins of Racism is Helpful to our People, and the questions: What is Racism? What is and isn't Racism? and Definitions of Racism http://destee.com/forums/showpost.php?p=541305&postcount=51. The ideal approach for consensus reaching is over the mic, however, your input at the Reports/Feedback thread also accomplishes this task. This first step is a very significant one, and will lay the foundation for the book.

(All current active members of GT are encouraged to provide input to the above on or before our next meeting, (March 04, 2010 @ 7:00 AM Central), by posting here to the Reports/Feedback thread).

Clyde Coger

03-04-2010, 09:11 AM

Progress Report

The GroupThink Project-Group held it’s 69th meeting, February 25, 2010. The (GT) meeting was promptly called at 08:00 AM Eastern and concluded at 09:00 AM Eastern. In attendance and on the mic for GT were brown_Hornet, WARRIOR and Clyde C. Coger, Jr.

Family member in attendance and site owner, Sister Destee.

GroupThink is now cleared to begin the work on the Home Grown Publication in the Private Forum, thanks to Sister Destee.

.................................................. ...................

Mock Zazzle.com Store Front :toast:
To Shop: http://www.zazzle.com/

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.................................................. .......................

Our continued joint effort remains as follows:

Starting with the basic agenda, our work, to determine consensus-based resolutions, has begun. We need to weight in on the INTRODUCTION: Why Studying the Origins of Racism is Helpful to our People, and the questions: What is Racism? What is and isn't Racism? and Definitions of Racism http://destee.com/forums/showpost.php?p=541305&postcount=51. The ideal approach for consensus reaching is over the mic, however, your input at the Reports/Feedback thread also accomplishes this task. This first step is a very significant one, and will lay the foundation for the book.

(All current active members of GT are encouraged to provide input to the above on or before our next meeting, (March 04, 2010 @ 7:00 AM Central), by posting here to the Reports/Feedback thread).

Progress Report

The GroupThink Project-Group held it’s 70th meeting, March 04, 2010. The (GT) meeting was promptly called at 08:00 AM Eastern and concluded at 09:00 AM Eastern. In attendance and on the mic for GT were brown_Hornet, WARRIOR and Clyde C. Coger, Jr.

Family member in attendance, oldiesman.

Chapter One is being resolved, through consensus.

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.................................................. .......................

Our continued joint effort remains as follows:

Starting with the basic agenda, our work, to determine consensus-based resolutions, has begun. We need to weight in on the INTRODUCTION: Why Studying the Origins of Racism is Helpful to our People, and the questions: What is Racism? What is and isn't Racism? and Definitions of Racism http://destee.com/forums/showpost.php?p=541305&postcount=51. The ideal approach for consensus reaching is over the mic, however, your input at the Reports/Feedback thread also accomplishes this task. This first step is a very significant one, and will lay the foundation for the book.

(All current active members of GT are encouraged to provide input to the above on or before our next meeting, (March 11, 2010 @ 7:00 AM Central), by posting here to the Reports/Feedback thread).

Clyde Coger

03-11-2010, 05:51 PM

Progress Report

The GroupThink Project-Group held it’s 70th meeting, March 04, 2010. The (GT) meeting was promptly called at 08:00 AM Eastern and concluded at 09:00 AM Eastern. In attendance and on the mic for GT were brown_Hornet, WARRIOR and Clyde C. Coger, Jr.

Family member in attendance, oldiesman.

Chapter One is being resolved, through consensus.

.................................................. ...................

Mock Zazzle.com Store Front :toast:
To Shop: http://www.zazzle.com/

SHOP ZAZZLE.COM FOR YOUR PERSONAL AND GIFT NEEDS

.................................................. .......................

Our continued joint effort remains as follows:

Starting with the basic agenda, our work, to determine consensus-based resolutions, has begun. We need to weight in on the INTRODUCTION: Why Studying the Origins of Racism is Helpful to our People, and the questions: What is Racism? What is and isn't Racism? and Definitions of Racism http://destee.com/forums/showpost.php?p=541305&postcount=51. The ideal approach for consensus reaching is over the mic, however, your input at the Reports/Feedback thread also accomplishes this task. This first step is a very significant one, and will lay the foundation for the book.

(All current active members of GT are encouraged to provide input to the above on or before our next meeting, (March 11, 2010 @ 7:00 AM Central), by posting here to the Reports/Feedback thread).

Progress Report

The GroupThink Project-Group held it’s 71st meeting, March 11, 2010. The (GT) meeting was promptly called at 08:00 AM Eastern and concluded at 09:00 AM Eastern. In attendance and on the mic for GT were brown_Hornet, WARRIOR and Clyde C. Coger, Jr.

No Family members in attendance.

Table of Contents is being worked through and taking shape. In conjunction with the Chapter on Health, an interesting thread was posted recently, which points to our Water supply and the chemical Flouride. There is an answer and explanation forthcoming..from the Home Grown Publication. See link below:

http://destee.com/forums/showthread.php?t=63627
Is there a bleach type smell to the tap water in your city? by MS234

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Mock Zazzle.com Store Front :toast:
To Shop: http://www.zazzle.com/

SHOP ZAZZLE.COM FOR YOUR PERSONAL AND GIFT NEEDS

.................................................. .......................

Our continued joint effort remains as follows:

Starting with the basic agenda, our work, to determine consensus-based resolutions, has begun. We need to weight in on the INTRODUCTION: Why Studying the Origins of Racism is Helpful to our People, and the questions: What is Racism? What is and isn't Racism? and Definitions of Racism http://destee.com/forums/showpost.php?p=541305&postcount=51. The ideal approach for consensus reaching is over the mic, however, your input at the Reports/Feedback thread also accomplishes this task. This first step is a very significant one, and will lay the foundation for the book.

(All current active members of GT are encouraged to provide input to the above on or before our next meeting, (March 18, 2010 @ 7:00 AM Central), by posting here to the Reports/Feedback thread).

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