Could you change the time for the meeting til after two o'clock?

Could you change the time for the meeting til after two o'clock?





river,

I do not think so river, and here is why; sort of a late notice, but from the first meeting, I quickly found out from Destee that adjusting or changing the set scheduled time was something that neither she nor Zulile would be willing to do. Originally, I wanted flexible time schedules, but now understand the difficulty it imposes.

If I knew what else I could help you with, maybe I could satify your need for the 2:00 change. Example, was there something specific you wanted to say or present, if so, give it to me and I will do it for you.

river,

I do not think so river, and here is why; sort of a late notice, but from the first meeting, I quickly found out from Destee that adjusting or changing the set scheduled time was something that neither she nor Zulile would be willing to do. Originally, I wanted flexible time schedules, but now understand the difficulty it imposes.

If I knew what else I could help you with, maybe I could satify your need for the 2:00 change. Example, was there something specific you wanted to say or present, if so, give it to me and I will do it for you.





Brother Clyde Coger ... i'm sorry for the misunderstanding. I didn't mean to make it sound like we are not willing to change the time for you and your group. We are more than willing to do that. We understand that there will be changes / adjustments / etc., and are here to help in every way we can.

What i said we are not willing to do, is to change the time of the meeting every week. I thought you said it might change every week. That would be a bit much for us to keep up with, as all the other classes have set times.

But please, don't let that keep you and the other Members of the Group from getting together, deciding together, on a time that would be convenient for most or all, and let us know that ... we'll change it for you.

We just don't want to do it every week.

Is that better Brother?

:heart:

Destee

Brother Clyde Coger ... i'm sorry for the misunderstanding. I didn't mean to make it sound like we are not willing to change the time for you and your group. We are more than willing to do that. We understand that there will be changes / adjustments / etc., and are here to help in every way we can.

What i said we are not willing to do, is to change the time of the meeting every week. I thought you said it might change every week. That would be a bit much for us to keep up with, as all the other classes have set times.

But please, don't let that keep you and the other Members of the Group from getting together, deciding together, on a time that would be convenient for most or all, and let us know that ... we'll change it for you.

We just don't want to do it every week.

Is that better Brother?

:heart:

Destee




Sister Destee,

From what I read, you have the perfect understanding of what I wanted, and that was to change the time weekly. I am convinced of the difficulty that weekly time changing would create, and so far, the main group, is okay with the current time schedule.

I also understand your willingness to accomodate time changes on a limited basis. However, in this particular case of time change, the lateness of the request did not allow sufficient time to alert all involved, and I decided to maintain the current time period.

You have my word, that any time changes to our present slot will be kept, as far as practicable, to a bare minium. What we have discussed here provides an understanding to any future requests for time changes, and I thank you!

Okay Brother Clyde ... just wanted to be sure we were together.

I've created a forum for your group, and it can be found in the Teacher's Lounge (http://destee.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=281) ... labeled ... Origin of Racism Group (http://destee.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=290).

I've already moved the original What is the Origin of Racism Thread (http://destee.com/forums/showthread.php?t=55806), to that forum.

I will move this one to that forum as well, along with the Current Discussion Thread (http://destee.com/forums/showthread.php?t=56321).

I'm believing this will help you all, with being able to communicate more efficiently together. Having a place where all the discussions, questions, etc., surrounding the effort, can be easily found.

If you have additioinal threads that you'd like me to move there, just give me a link to it, and i'll do it.

Much Love and Peace.

:heart:

Destee

Okay Brother Clyde ... just wanted to be sure we were together.

I've created a forum for your group, and it can be found in the Teacher's Lounge (http://destee.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=281) ... labeled ... Origin of Racism Group (http://destee.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=290).

I've already moved the original What is the Origin of Racism Thread (http://destee.com/forums/showthread.php?t=55806), to that forum.

I will move this one to that forum as well, along with the Current Discussion Thread (http://destee.com/forums/showthread.php?t=56321).

I'm believing this will help you all, with being able to communicate more efficiently together. Having a place where all the discussions, questions, etc., surrounding the effort, can be easily found.

If you have additioinal threads that you'd like me to move there, just give me a link to it, and i'll do it.

Much Love and Peace.

:heart:

Destee





Thank you so much Capricorn Lady,

This bundling, if you will, of all relevant threads is ideal. Only Destee(or someone that cares about me) could have formulated such a perfect solution making my job so much easier:), thank you Sweetheart!

You are so very welcome Brother Clyde Coger !!! :love:

:heart:

Destee

You are so very welcome Brother Clyde Coger !!! :love:

:heart:

Destee




Thank you Sister Destee

Brother Clyde ... you posted the following in the shout box ... but i think it would be much easier for us to communicate in a thread ... than in the shoutbox ... so i'm copying your request here ... hoping to get more clarification ...

Destee, I need your help with a cut and paste from the Plan page to the link found on the calendar, which is located on the Discussion Forums Page. Go to the What is the Origin of Racism - Group thread, and cut and paste the updates found in Post #1 to the above mentioned link on the calendar. Updates are critical to anyone viewing the link before entering Chat.(painstaking, I have made the directions, as clear as possible)

I'm not sure what you are asking me to do.

You've referenced several pages, without giving me a link to any, making it hard for me to follow.

Please Help! :)

Thanks a Bunch!

:heart:

Destee

Brother Clyde ... i think it would be good too ... for you to create threads in this forum, for all of your Group Members to see and comment on, rather than trying to post to everyone's profile page ... removing the need to repeat the same information several times.

The Calendar Page isn't meant to be updated regularly, though occasional updates are fine.

It should only hold the outline of the class, while the inner-workings, updates, etc., can all be found in this forum.

I will even change the Calendar Page (http://destee.com/forums/calendar.php?do=getinfo&e=74&day=2008-10-21&c=1) ... so that it links to this forum.

Just some food for thought.

:heart:

Destee

Brother Clyde ... you posted the following in the shout box ... but i think it would be much easier for us to communicate in a thread ... than in the shoutbox ... so i'm copying your request here ... hoping to get more clarification ...

Destee, I need your help with a cut and paste from the Plan page to the link found on the calendar, which is located on the Discussion Forums Page. Go to the What is the Origin of Racism - Group thread, and cut and paste the updates found in Post #1 to the above mentioned link on the calendar. Updates are critical to anyone viewing the link before entering Chat.(painstaking, I have made the directions, as clear as possible)

I'm not sure what you are asking me to do.

You've referenced several pages, without giving me a link to any, making it hard for me to follow.

Please Help! :)

Thanks a Bunch!

:heart:

Destee





Destee,

My apologies about the shout box;

If you will go the thread: What is the Origin of Racism - Group, and you know where it is located, simply cut and paste the Plan info that is located on Post #1 to the Calender link, which is located on the Discussion Forums page, I will truly love you, K

Destee,

My apologies about the shout box;

If you will go the thread: What is the Origin of Racism - Group, and you know where it is located, simply cut and paste the Pland info that is located on Post #1 to the Calender link, which is located on the Discussion Forums page, I will truly love you, K



Okay Brother Clyde ... i believe i've done what you've asked ... check it out to be sure.

:heart:

Destee

Brother Clyde ... i think it would be good too ... for you to create threads in this forum, for all of your Group Members to see and comment on, rather than trying to post to everyone's profile page ... removing the need to repeat the same information several times.

The Calendar Page isn't meant to be updated regularly, though occasional updates are fine.

It should only hold the outline of the class, while the inner-workings, updates, etc., can all be found in this forum.

I will even change the Calendar Page (http://destee.com/forums/calendar.php?do=getinfo&e=74&day=2008-10-21&c=1) ... so that it links to this forum.

Just some food for thought.

:heart:

Destee



It was only after you informed me of the "bundling" of all threads under the one title, did I realize the maxmium benefit. I had certainly thought about doing just that, creating functional threads to make even easier the communication process between the members.

I also thought about the calender, and felt it should not be changed, but I wanted it changed, knowing I would not ask you to change it again. Alas, you have gone one better, and given access to the calender, to boot.

I am not doing bad for a rookie:) Thanks for the food, now how about some dessert, seriously:)

It was only after you informed me of the "bundling" of all threads under the one title, did I realize the maxmium benefit. I had certainly thought about doing just that, creating functional threads to make even easier the communication process between the members.

I also thought about the calender, and felt it should not be changed, but I wanted it changed, knowing I would not ask you to change it again. Alas, you have gone one better, and given access to the calender, to boot.

I am not doing bad for a rookie:) Thanks for the food, now how about some dessert, seriously:)

Yes Brother, instead of having one thread with most everything in it, you can make lots of individual threads ... speaking on the particular issues ... making it easier for everyone to stay caught up.

That's my hope anyway!

:heart:

Destee

Brother Clyde ... i think it would be good too ... for you to create threads in this forum, for all of your Group Members to see and comment on, rather than trying to post to everyone's profile page ... removing the need to repeat the same information several times.

The Calendar Page isn't meant to be updated regularly, though occasional updates are fine.

It should only hold the outline of the class, while the inner-workings, updates, etc., can all be found in this forum.

I will even change the Calendar Page (http://destee.com/forums/calendar.php?do=getinfo&e=74&day=2008-10-21&c=1) ... so that it links to this forum.

Just some food for thought.

:heart:

Destee




Yes Destee, everytining is perfect, what's for dessert?

Yes Destee, everytining is perfect, what's for dessert?



What do you mean ... dessert ?

:heart:

Destee

What do you mean ... dessert ?

:heart:

Destee



Another failed attempt, my dry humor, I will try and do better next time, I promise, K

Meeting Reminder - Group Think - What is the Origin of Racism




9:00 AM Central(10:00 AM Eastern)



Expected to be in attendance

A007
bown_hOrnet
Zulile
Keita
Clyde C. Coger, Jr.

The Collective




Many, many, many thanks to all participating in the Group Think session, you know who you are. We had a very productive meeting, accomplishing much in the way of the collective. Noticeable consensus unfolded in many ways, a very enjoyable mark of achievement, in my view.

Lets continue to be patient with A007, realizing there seems to be obstacles beyond his control preventing consummation, and to that, applies the words of Martin, we shall overcome.

And thanks for the on-going support of lilpea, and in particular, Sister Destee. Destee’s return was invaluable, as usual, and lends the kind of effort needed for our success.

What is the Origin of Racism





Reminder and Notification for Group Think Meeting Thursday 9:00AM Central (10:00AM Eastern)

A007 has verified attendance for Thursday and explained absence of last meeting

Unless regular members are unable to attend, all should be present on Thursday

Please either call or leave a profile note, if you are unable to attend


Side Note: Momentarily, I am leaving the Forums for several hours

What is the Origin of Racism





Reminder and Notification for Group Think Meeting Thursday 9:00AM Central (10:00AM Eastern)

A007 has verified attendance for Thursday and explained absence of last meeting

Unless regular members are unable to attend, all should be present on Thursday

Please either call or leave a profile note, if you are unable to attend


Side Note: Momentarily, I am leaving the Forums for several hours







Progress Report

The Origin of Racism Group held it’s 6th meeting, November 20th, 2008. The Group Think(GT) meeting was promptly called at 10:00 AM Eastern and concluded at 11:00 AM Eastern.

In attendance for GT were brown_hOrnet and Clyde C. Coger, Jr., also attending was Da Street Soja. Street’s participation was largely to observed, along with oldiesman, and sister remby.

The idea of a quorum of three(3)as the minimum needed for Consensus was established for fluidity of purpose toward the ultimate goal of the Project.

The following issues/items, submitted by brown_hOrnet, were brought up for discussion and needs Consensus:

1. WE SHOULD MAKE CLEAR WHAT WE ARE SOLVING

2. IS THE NAME, WHAT IS THE ORIGIN OF RACISM, THE PROPER NAME?


Succinct Discussion on Item/issue #! (make clear what we are solving):

brown: if we are going to try to build a system to liberate us from racism, then I think that we could be on the right track. If we are clear on what exactly we are doing, I think that a lot more people would be on board. But I think that a lot of people are under the assumption that we are trying to figure out what the origin of racism is, and I think we all pretty much know what it is, so not too many people are responding.

Clyde: I agree. Clarity of purpose is a must. Again, you are correct in that we all understand the effects of racism, it is our goal to dissect its origin and prepare to offset the effects through a published document. As such, our coming together, in mass, is not the requirement to finish a publication, but to assemble from three to five serious like minded Destee.com family members to accomplish said goal, and that has been achieved. Group Think now consists of A007, Keita, Zulile, brown_hOrnet, Clyde C. Coger, Jr, and Writspirit.


Conclusion: This item #1 is put to GT for consensus on clarity of purpose. Are we building a system, so to speak with the publication to liberate our people from racism?

(All GT members submit your agreement, disagreement, or position on this single item before our next scheduled meeting, preferably by posting a reply to the thread)(quoting is not needed)


Succinct Discussion on item #2 (should we keep our current name):

brown: Yes, I read the plan. And I understand the focus, which I believe is to liberate us. I just feel that the name, “what is the origin of racism,” is not the correct name. Maybe something like “Black Liberation” or something like that. I just don’t feel that our current name will catch on, because I feel that we know the answer.

I think this focus is a beautiful thing . A book, and E-Book, and a newsletter to keep everyone focused and in contact.

Clyde: Understood, as far as identifying our in-house group, the current name serves it’s purpose, and is now cemented within our forum. The title of the published material, of course is a different thing to which I agree with the point you have made, it must catch on.

Conclusion: This item #2 is put to GT for consensus on maintaining our in-house name. Should we change our current in-house name, is it too early to begin selecting the name of the published material?

(All GT members submit your agreement, disagreement, or position on this single item before our next scheduled meeting, preferably by posting a reply to the thread)



The following GT members, A007, Writspirit, Keita and Zulile are expected to provide input to the above, before our next meeting on November 27th, 2008 @ 10:00AM Central. If done properly by posted replies to this thread, we should be able to reach consensus, if not, these items will be the subject of that meeting, or our next agreed upon scheduled meeting.


New/Next Item/Issue for consideration of GT members, as provided by brown_hOrnet, is as follows:

WHAT IS THE ORIGIN OF RACISM?

(Please, GT members, begin thinking on this item only, but no posts until we have reached Consensus on the above two(2) issues)

This is good Clyde. I would especially like to get A007's opinion on this, because he is the thread starter.

Preciate This.

This is good Clyde. I would especially like to get A007's opinion on this, because he is the thread starter.

Preciate This.




brown, thanks so much for your response, its really appreciated. And yes, I have conversed with A007 to submit input. More than anything, I certainly can appreciate that you see the necessity for his take, if you will, because he is the fire-plug, so to speak, which started it all! Witout knowing his core beliefs, I, couldn't move forward with a degree of integrity, and I now know you feel the same :).

We should have his position whether or not we have his attendance on the mic. Thanks again My Friend and My Brother!

Ok, we are still waiting on A007, Writspirit, Keita and Zulile for some type of response on the aforementioned issues

Are we looking to "find and define the origin of racism" so to speak, as the Group think name would suggest, in order to come with a solution? Or are we just going to try to address the nine (now 10 + health) issues of people activity and liberate ourselves in spite of racism?

Is it too early for a name change? Should we be thinking about a better name that will catch on better so to speak? If so, what would be some suggestions? We can discuss these things at the next meeting.

Please respond, and let us know sum-um. or... sump'n as Destee would say.

Progress Report

The Origin of Racism Group held it’s 7th meeting, November 27th, 2008. The Group Think(GT) meeting was promptly called at 10:00 AM Eastern and concluded at 11:00 AM Eastern, the day of Thanksgiving Holiday.

In attendance for GT were brown_hOrnet, Clyde C. Coger, Jr., and A007 by telephone, explained absences, and made a stern commitment to resolve cp problems, and with due diligence make future meetings.

All outstanding items were placed in abeyance pending quorum consensus, largely at the failure of absentee members to provide input. Changes in the member structure of Group Think reflects Sister Zulile to leave GT and begin work on the Destee.comNewsletter, full-time. This marks a major achievement toward one of the three goals of the project. Central theme of the first edition will be a re-cap of 2008, the kick-off target date is January 2009.


The following New/Next Item/Issue for consideration of GT members, as provided by brown_hOrnet, was discussed as follows:

WHAT IS THE ORIGIN OF RACISM?

Succinct Discussion on New/Next Item:

brown: Well first off, what is racism? I think most of us know what it is, but we have been tricked into not knowing what it is!

At one point in time (before all of this foolishness occured) Ancient Egypt (kemet) was the Holy Land. It was known by EVERYONE around as "The Land of the Gods"(as G.M. James explains). This included the Romans, The Greeks, The Persians etc.. etc.. They perceived us as "Gods". So what happened? We were overrun by the barbarians. Most notably Alexander the Great, who conquered Kemet and then proceeded to steal all of the current knowledge there and claim it for his own. This is what allowed for the current view of Greeks as the founders of modern civilization.

Now this "view" of Greeks being the founders of civilization and Africans contributing nothing to society was very important. Because it caused PREJUDICE! Right now, we live in a system of prejudice. When you go to school, you basically learn (in short) that the White man is God and that "we" are dumb negroes, who's origin was of slavery. This is why a lot of white people subconsciously or consciously feel that they are superior. You probably would too if you were white. The only way you wouldn't be would be if you were deprogrammed. But we are talking about PREJUDICE! Most white people are NOT racist. Most people period are not racist. They are PREJUDICE. Some, are prejudice to the point of killing their own, which is in many cases based on self-hatred. Racism is when you hate somebody JUST BECAUSE OF THEIR RACE! Anyone can be racist, but I don't feel it is in our nature be that way. Prejudice has always been around. As long as Everybody doesn't know Everything, there will be prejudice to certain degrees.

What is the strongest element of racism. Why of course, when white people defined racism as... "the assumption that one's own race is superior to all others. It may follow from this that one's own race therefore has, among other things, the right to control (and, when deemed necessary, enslave and even exterminate) people of races that are taken to be inferior or undesirable."

This definition is SUPER HOT GARBAGE. OF COURSE that is what THEY say it is. Racism is not the assumption that one's race is superior to others!!!! Remember, Ancient Kemet was known as "The Land of the Gods" So why did they go in and attack, rape, and then steal our knowledge and claim it was theirs, BECAUSE THEY THOUGHT THEY WERE SUPERIOR TO GODS? Of course not. They were jealous.

Racism REALLY is "the assumption that one's own race is INFERIOR to all others. It may follow from this that one's own race therefore has, among other things, the NEED to control (and, when deemed necessary, enslave and even exterminate) people of races that are taken to be superior or undesirable, otherwise, they will be outshined, outproduced and cease to exist."

One of our biggest problems is that we FELL for THEIR definition and reasoning for their own behavior. So now you got black folks who believe, "Well, if we just educate them and other races about who we are, then they will stop oppressing us" There is no larger fallacy than this. And it also (in my opinion) gives us an inferiority complex, because we are constantly trying to prove ourselves to white people.

Clyde: I agree, there was certainly a time when color was not an issue, and if so it had to do with people of color having the superior role, if you will, and non-black people on the lower end or having the so-called, inferior position. This becomes the foundational thesis upon which we will build the publication. Starting with Alexander the Great, and the periods before and after his rule are significant periods to begin the discussion on the question: what is the origin of racism.

Conclusion: Continue discussion, reach a consensus and forward material to editor for publishing.

The following GT members, A007, Writspirit, and Keita are expected to provide input to the above, before our next meeting on December 3rd, 2008 @ 10:00AM Central. If done properly by posted replies to this thread, we should be able to reach consensus, if not, these items will be the subject of that meeting, or our next agreed upon scheduled meeting.

As discussed in the last meeting, there are some things going forward in the publication (or ebook or what have you), that need not hit the table, because they are irreconcilable and will only divide us at this time.

#1. Obama
The opinion of Obama literally ranges from Christ to Anti-Christ. To sit around and Discuss Obama in a good or bad light for whatever reason will only kick up red flags. As I have said before, we can address the matrix of white supremacy directly (which is what we need to be doing anyway) without mention of the current president (in a book/e-book that is).

#2. Meat Eaters vs Vegetarians
This is another one that I see argued to no end.

#3. Religion/Religious Texts/Beliefs etc etc..
This issue is the greatest divider of all timez! The second any of these things (like the Bible for example) hit the table, an automatic 15 year argument will immediately ensue.

We are no where near coming to a consensus on ANYTHING as it relates to this, so when we come together to get this BEAST up off of our backs, these things have to be put on the back burner.

My opinion is that we need to address religion from the perspective of how it divides us, because THIS is truly the area of activity that is being controlled. Whitey sits back and plans the next fake terrorist attack, while Black folk sit around arguing about Hebrews.
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With all of this being said, it's not that I don't want to address the 3 issues above at all. Just not in the initial publication. We can talk about all of these things in a debate form in our online newsletter.

For Example. Maybe every month we can have a section in the newsletter called That's Debatable.(or somethin like that) With the subject being something like, "Did the Egyptians worship many gods, or To eat meat or not to eat meat"

People on both sides can put together there short argument and it can be put in the newsletter with a corresponding thread on Destee.com. So everyone who reads the newsletter that is not a destee.com member (if they have an opinion on the subject) can go to destee.com to join and comment and share their opinion. So we can debate all day, yet stay unified towards one common cause. It will also bring in more members.

These are just ideas though, that we can talk about.

NOW

I will wait for some type of feedback on this issues. If someone feels that there are OTHER issues that should not hit the table, ... OR... if you object to any of the current 3 issues that I brought up, please respond and say why?

First let me say that I am back up and running. I am still having a problem with hearing things, so I guess I have to buy a new sound card. I will do that probably this coming week.

Second, I APLOGIZE perfusely for my abscense. There has been a shake up at my place of employment that prevented me from doing much of what I had planned in my life. It is resolved and I am back on track. I will now be apart of Group Think EVERYDAY.

I Thank Clyde with all of my heart for keeping the process moving forward. We do indeed have a window of opportunity to do something special. Clyde has remained diligent and steadfast. These are definate requirements of leadership and it is clear that we have them in Clyde.

I will reply to those threads (individually) that I have been asked to and some of which I have not. Give me until the end of the day Saturday and all of them should be addressed. Thanks for keeping hope alive.

Asking for Forgiveness
A007
a.k.a Andre'

First let me say that I am back up and running. I am still having a problem with hearing things, so I guess I have to buy a new sound card. I will do that probably this coming week.

Second, I APLOGIZE perfusely for my abscense. There has been a shake up at my place of employment that prevented me from doing much of what I had planned in my life. It is resolved and I am back on track. I will now be apart of Group Think EVERYDAY.

I Thank Clyde with all of my heart for keeping the process moving forward. We do indeed have a window of opportunity to do something special. Clyde has remained diligent and steadfast. These are definate requirements of leadership and it is clear that we have them in Clyde.

I will reply to those threads (individually) that I have been asked to and some of which I have not. Give me until the end of the day Saturday and all of them should be addressed. Thanks for keeping hope alive.

Asking for Forgiveness
A007
a.k.a Andre'




A007,

Thank you so much for such a humble apology. It speaks loudly at the integrity and character you possess. This situation that we are in, concerning your in and out attendance, speaks directly to the significance of the project, and the important obligation it carries.

I gave fair warning that neither would it be easy nor would it be without obstacles. Our focus involves making a difference for our people, and certain forces will make that road difficult. So, keeping pressing, we will get there.

We love you Brother, and my Friend, and we are pulling, praying, and patiently waiting for breakthrough...........Peace!

#1. Obama
The opinion of Obama literally ranges from Christ to Anti-Christ. To sit around and Discuss Obama in a good or bad light for whatever reason will only kick up red flags. As I have said before, we can address the matrix of white supremacy directly (which is what we need to be doing anyway) without mention of the current president (in a book/e-book that is).

#2. Meat Eaters vs Vegetarians
This is another one that I see argued to no end.

#3. Religion/Religious Texts/Beliefs etc etc..
This issue is the greatest divider of all timez! The second any of these things (like the Bible for example) hit the table, an automatic 15 year argument will immediately ensue.

Topic # 1: I like the idea of addressing the corrupt political system in itself, because people tend to get mad when you expose the person who they voted for. I think it's important that we look at the broad area of global politics and how they impact each and everyone of our lives. I remember an obama thread recently, where one member sincerely asked, how certain policies impacted his life directly?

I'll add more thoughts later

Topic # 1: I like the idea of addressing the corrupt political system in itself, because people tend to get mad when you expose the person who they voted for. I think it's important that we look at the broad area of global politics and how they impact each and everyone of our lives. I remember an obama thread recently, where one member sincerely asked, how certain policies impacted his life directly?

I'll add more thoughts later

Jahari, thanks and you make a good point. I think I vaguely remember that Obama thread you are talking about, where people were talking about Obama's affiliation with some "shadowy overlord" groups, and a person asked the question of how do these groups really affect our everyday lives anyway.

I do think that in the future, whether it is in a newsletter or, whether it is in some published material, we need to break down from TOP (Illuminati) to Bottom (hood), how these NWO groups and what they do affect our people's everyday life locally to globally.

We also need to break down how Pseudo-politics (left wing, right wing, conservative, liberal, repub, democ., etc) has a smaller effect.

That way we can truly address the illusion of G.W.S. without mentioning any politicians name, because like I have said, that is a touchy subject.

So, I'm glad that you brought that point up. We will have to put that on the back burner and keep that in mind to definately address in the future.


Right now, the focus is to come to a consensus on the issues that have been brought up in posts #21 (http://destee.com/forums/showpost.php?p=556164&postcount=21), Post #25 (http://destee.com/forums/showpost.php?p=557987&postcount=25) and Post #26 (http://destee.com/forums/showpost.php?p=558591&postcount=26).

As we discussed today in our meeting, once we get them settled, we will move really really fast. So, I see that we have 3 in agreement to leaving the Obama issue off the table.

Succinct Discussion on Item/issue #! (make clear what we are solving):

brown: if we are going to try to build a system to liberate us from racism, then I think that we could be on the right track. If we are clear on what exactly we are doing, I think that a lot more people would be on board. But I think that a lot of people are under the assumption that we are trying to figure out what the origin of racism is, and I think we all pretty much know what it is, so not too many people are responding.

Clyde: I agree. Clarity of purpose is a must. Again, you are correct in that we all understand the effects of racism, it is our goal to dissect its origin and prepare to offset the effects through a published document. As such, our coming together, in mass, is not the requirement to finish a publication, but to assemble from three to five serious like minded Destee.com family members to accomplish said goal, and that has been achieved. Group Think now consists of A007, Keita, Zulile, brown_hOrnet, Clyde C. Coger, Jr, and Writspirit.


Conclusion: This item #1 is put to GT for consensus on clarity of purpose. Are we building a system, so to speak with the publication to liberate our people from racism?

Good Ideas. When we speak of liberation from the many forms of racism, what kind of liberation are we talking about? Economic independence, mental liberation, etc.? I've always felt that the mental liberation is the first step in the process, do you'll agree?

Succinct Discussion on item #2 (should we keep our current name):

brown: Yes, I read the plan. And I understand the focus, which I believe is to liberate us. I just feel that the name, “what is the origin of racism,” is not the correct name. Maybe something like “Black Liberation” or something like that. I just don’t feel that our current name will catch on, because I feel that we know the answer.

I think this focus is a beautiful thing . A book, and E-Book, and a newsletter to keep everyone focused and in contact.

Clyde: Understood, as far as identifying our in-house group, the current name serves it’s purpose, and is now cemented within our forum. The title of the published material, of course is a different thing to which I agree with the point you have made, it must catch on.

Conclusion: This item #2 is put to GT for consensus on maintaining our in-house name. Should we change our current in-house name, is it too early to begin selecting the name of the published material?

(All GT members submit your agreement, disagreement, or position on this single item before our next scheduled meeting, preferably by posting a reply to the thread)


yeah the "origin of racism" kind of through me off as well. The term black liberation seems to scare certain people....even black folks. It shouldn't, but it does. Who will be the target audience of this publication? If it's Destee members, then I think black liberation is just fine. Sadly when one uses the term black liberation a lot of black folks roll their eyes. If this publication is to reach out to those brothers and sisters as well, what should we do as far as "labeling" the goal that we seek to accomplish?


WHAT IS THE ORIGIN OF RACISM?

Succinct Discussion on New/Next Item:

brown: Well first off, what is racism? I think most of us know what it is, but we have been tricked into not knowing what it is!

At one point in time (before all of this foolishness occured) Ancient Egypt (kemet) was the Holy Land. It was known by EVERYONE around as "The Land of the Gods"(as G.M. James explains). This included the Romans, The Greeks, The Persians etc.. etc.. They perceived us as "Gods". So what happened? We were overrun by the barbarians. Most notably Alexander the Great, who conquered Kemet and then proceeded to steal all of the current knowledge there and claim it for his own. This is what allowed for the current view of Greeks as the founders of modern civilization.

Now this "view" of Greeks being the founders of civilization and Africans contributing nothing to society was very important. Because it caused PREJUDICE! Right now, we live in a system of prejudice. When you go to school, you basically learn (in short) that the White man is God and that "we" are dumb negroes, who's origin was of slavery. This is why a lot of white people subconsciously or consciously feel that they are superior. You probably would too if you were white. The only way you wouldn't be would be if you were deprogrammed. But we are talking about PREJUDICE! Most white people are NOT racist. Most people period are not racist. They are PREJUDICE. Some, are prejudice to the point of killing their own, which is in many cases based on self-hatred. Racism is when you hate somebody JUST BECAUSE OF THEIR RACE! Anyone can be racist, but I don't feel it is in our nature be that way. Prejudice has always been around. As long as Everybody doesn't know Everything, there will be prejudice to certain degrees.

What is the strongest element of racism. Why of course, when white people defined racism as... "the assumption that one's own race is superior to all others. It may follow from this that one's own race therefore has, among other things, the right to control (and, when deemed necessary, enslave and even exterminate) people of races that are taken to be inferior or undesirable."

This definition is SUPER HOT GARBAGE. OF COURSE that is what THEY say it is. Racism is not the assumption that one's race is superior to others!!!! Remember, Ancient Kemet was known as "The Land of the Gods" So why did they go in and attack, rape, and then steal our knowledge and claim it was theirs, BECAUSE THEY THOUGHT THEY WERE SUPERIOR TO GODS? Of course not. They were jealous.

Racism REALLY is "the assumption that one's own race is INFERIOR to all others. It may follow from this that one's own race therefore has, among other things, the NEED to control (and, when deemed necessary, enslave and even exterminate) people of races that are taken to be superior or undesirable, otherwise, they will be outshined, outproduced and cease to exist."

One of our biggest problems is that we FELL for THEIR definition and reasoning for their own behavior. So now you got black folks who believe, "Well, if we just educate them and other races about who we are, then they will stop oppressing us" There is no larger fallacy than this. And it also (in my opinion) gives us an inferiority complex, because we are constantly trying to prove ourselves to white people.

Clyde: I agree, there was certainly a time when color was not an issue, and if so it had to do with people of color having the superior role, if you will, and non-black people on the lower end or having the so-called, inferior position. This becomes the foundational thesis upon which we will build the publication. Starting with Alexander the Great, and the periods before and after his rule are significant periods to begin the discussion on the question: what is the origin of racism.

Conclusion: Continue discussion, reach a consensus and forward material to editor for publishing.


I think the nature vs. nurture argument on racism is one that is definitely worth discussing. To be honest I don't know where I stand on the issue as of right now. I know we can't pin point the actual origins of racism, but history has shown us a particular group of people who have used it more often to their advantage and to disadvantage of others.

I think going into specific details about the Greeks is important as well, seeing how many topics can be covered (colonialism, philosophy, religious influence, etc.) just by speaking of the invasions. I think it would be good to talk about the Arab slave trade as well, and the similarities in differences between the Arab and Greek conquests.

As discussed in the last meeting, there are some things going forward in the publication (or ebook or what have you), that need not hit the table, because they are irreconcilable and will only divide us at this time.

#1. Obama
The opinion of Obama literally ranges from Christ to Anti-Christ. To sit around and Discuss Obama in a good or bad light for whatever reason will only kick up red flags. As I have said before, we can address the matrix of white supremacy directly (which is what we need to be doing anyway) without mention of the current president (in a book/e-book that is).

#2. Meat Eaters vs Vegetarians
This is another one that I see argued to no end.

#3. Religion/Religious Texts/Beliefs etc etc..
This issue is the greatest divider of all timez! The second any of these things (like the Bible for example) hit the table, an automatic 15 year argument will immediately ensue.

We are no where near coming to a consensus on ANYTHING as it relates to this, so when we come together to get this BEAST up off of our backs, these things have to be put on the back burner.

My opinion is that we need to address religion from the perspective of how it divides us, because THIS is truly the area of activity that is being controlled. Whitey sits back and plans the next fake terrorist attack, while Black folk sit around arguing about Hebrews.
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I agree, especially with the point on religion. At the end of the day if a person's spiritual beliefs are making them a better brother or sister mentally, spiritually, and physically, then is it really worth sitting up and telling them what is wrong with their beliefs? I think we could address issues of racism within religion, but I agree that we should stay away from denouncing anyone's beliefs.

Brother Jahar Kavi,

Your input is duly recognized and incorporation into Group Thinks's consensus process. Again, thanks for your serious involvement. As I prepare updates of each meeting, look for the effect that your particular input has on the issues.

We are fast approaching reaching consensus on these very same items you have comment on, and what you have submitted counts toward the final group consensus, which leads to the published material.

Good Ideas. When we speak of liberation from the many forms of racism, what kind of liberation are we talking about? Economic independence, mental liberation, etc.? I've always felt that the mental liberation is the first step in the process, do you'll agree?

Yes, I do agree that mentality comes first.

When we speak of liberation, we are basically talking about the 9 areas of people activity as outlined in the ISIS Papers (Economics, Education, Entertainment, Labor, Law, Politics, Religion, Sex, War) + Health.
So we are talking about everything.


yeah the "origin of racism" kind of through me off as well. The term black liberation seems to scare certain people....even black folks. It shouldn't, but it does. Who will be the target audience of this publication? If it's Destee members, then I think black liberation is just fine. Sadly when one uses the term black liberation a lot of black folks roll their eyes. If this publication is to reach out to those brothers and sisters as well, what should we do as far as "labeling" the goal that we seek to accomplish?

Good input. The name originally threw me off as well. As far as the name, we will use IF we decide to change it, I think we will have to brainstorm on it.

Do you have any suggestions?

The name Black Liberation was one that I at first just threw out there just to move us in the direction of helping our people, instead of solving where racism originated (though this issue is important). I think maybe something like "The Reconstruction of Black Civilization" which would be a play on words from Chancelor Williams book "Destruction of Black Civilization" But that is just another name I'm throwing out. The material (in my opinion) should be geared towards ANY Black person who wants to liberate themselves from this Beast.


I think the nature vs. nurture argument on racism is one that is definitely worth discussing. To be honest I don't know where I stand on the issue as of right now. I know we can't pin point the actual origins of racism, but history has shown us a particular group of people who have used it more often to their advantage and to disadvantage of others.

I think going into specific details about the Greeks is important as well, seeing how many topics can be covered (colonialism, philosophy, religious influence, etc.) just by speaking of the invasions. I think it would be good to talk about the Arab slave trade as well, and the similarities in differences between the Arab and Greek conquests.

Yes, I agree that it would be difficult to pinpoint the actual origin of racism (if we are talking about one race that hates another race because of jealousy etc. etc.), but the issue of Alexander the Great and his conquest was brought to the forefront because that was probably the beginning of the institution (so to speak) of Racism and Prejudice being brought into place.

The real reason why I brought it up was to dispell what I believe is the MYTH that racism is based on ignorance rather than knowledge. Because it is that myth that puts us in the wrong mind set of trying to prove ourselves to those who feel that they are superior, rather than doing what we gotta do regardless of what "they" think.

I agree, especially with the point on religion. At the end of the day if a person's spiritual beliefs are making them a better brother or sister mentally, spiritually, and physically, then is it really worth sitting up and telling them what is wrong with their beliefs? I think we could address issues of racism within religion, but I agree that we should stay away from denouncing anyone's beliefs.

It looks as if we are all in agreement on this particular issue.

Great job Brothers :bowdown:brown and Jahari! This is the beauty of Group Think in action as I envisioned. When thread starter, A007, submits his perspectives on the issues, whether here are on the mic, shortly thereafter the first consensus of the group will be realized and framed.

Again, our current focus is to launch the Destee.comNewsletter while this process to continues to jell and brew..........Peace and Many Thanks for making this happen, sincerely!

Also, rather than interrupt this flow with the update, look for my report of the recent meeting on your Profiles Pages........Peace!

The real reason why I brought it up was to dispell what I believe is the MYTH that racism is based on ignorance rather than knowledge

word.

The name Black Liberation was one that I at first just threw out there just to move us in the direction of helping our people, instead of solving where racism originated (though this issue is important). I think maybe something like "The Reconstruction of Black Civilization" which would be a play on words from Chancelor Williams book "Destruction of Black Civilization" But that is just another name I'm throwing out. The material (in my opinion) should be geared towards ANY Black person who wants to liberate themselves from this Beast.


yeah this is something we should all take time and think about....the name that is....I don't have any ideas right now, but if something pops up I'll let you know.

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Great job Brothers brown and Jahari! This is the beauty of Group Think in action as I envisioned. When thread starter, A007, submits his perspectives on the issues, whether here are on the mic, shortly thereafter the first consensus of the group will be realized and framed.

Again, our current focus is to launch the Destee.comNewsletter while this process to continues to jell and brew..........Peace and Many Thanks for making this happen, sincerely!

Also, rather than interrupt this flow with the update, look for my report of the recent meeting on your Profiles Pages........Peace!

no doubt.....

Sorry that I couldn't make it this morning. I am starting to see EXACTLY what Clyde means by the enemy and trying to prevent this. But, he doesn't know who he deals with when messing with me. I will NEVER give up.

As for item #1 I believe that the origin of racism IS IGNORANCE! So, if this is not the consensus of the group, then we need to discuss this. As for the name we should all submit our ideas and get the group to vote on them.

As for item #2 Our focus should be to find the ORIGIN OF racism AND WORK TOWARDS ENDING THE MINDSET THAT CREATES IT. Until we do this, LIBERATION is impossible.

Let me know what yall think.

to be a part of this Think Tank, but before I submit my thoughts I need time to read through this thread and get caught up.

Sorry that I couldn't make it this morning. I am starting to see EXACTLY what Clyde means by the enemy and trying to prevent this. But, he doesn't know who he deals with when messing with me. I will NEVER give up.

As for item #1 I believe that the origin of racism IS IGNORANCE! So, if this is not the consensus of the group, then we need to discuss this. As for the name we should all submit our ideas and get the group to vote on them.

As for item #2 Our focus should be to find the ORIGIN OF racism AND WORK TOWARDS ENDING THE MINDSET THAT CREATES IT. Until we do this, LIBERATION is impossible.

Let me know what yall think.




A007,

It's good to hear from you and to read you. The meeting went well this morning, and as we say, hang tough A007, hang tough!

What we need from you would be your position on ignorance, and why you feel so strongly about ignorance. And state your position on whether or not the name for the publication should be other than the name of the thread, as you so titled the thread.

We have had discussion on both items, which is reflected through the many notes and updates thus far, and you would do well to digest all that we have said before you submit your position. Understanding or incorporating our thoughts into your thoughts equals strengthing or weakening your initial position. It is this part of the process that forces the Consensus. Perhaps your well laid out thoughts will challenge us on our thoughts. Keep these things in mind as we approach true consensus(That is the Challenge for Group Think).


#1...Give us your detailed position on ignorance

#2...Give us your detailed position on changing the name of the publication


And, first chance you get, please welcome Brother Jahari Kavi to Group Think.....Clyde

I would like...

to be a part of this Think Tank, but before I submit my thoughts I need time to read through this thread and get caught up.





And my Sister phynxofkmt,

We would love to have you. This is a godsend to have both you and A007 responding today in like fashion. brown_hOrnet and I have sought the female balance in the Group Think project since Zulile resigned to devote full-time responsibility to the Destee.comNewsletter.

And phynxofkmt, your approach to volunteer and catch up on the reading aspect of this project is admirable. Through PM's profile page notes, e-mails, etc...we can bring you up to speed(and answer questions), easily.

In fact, we rely heavily on profile notes, so begin to check for notes from me, thanks again.

Progress Report

The Origin of Racism Group held it’s 10th meeting, December 18th, 2008. The Group Think (GT) meeting was promptly called at 10:00 AM Eastern and concluded at 10:45 AM Eastern. During the later end of the meeting, questions and answers were conducted by text messages between family member Knowledge Seed and Group Think members present and on the mic. Though unprecedented and against desired Group Think procedure, nonetheless, this good-faith effort attempted to arrest any drawbacks said member may have had.

In attendance and on the mic for GT were brown_hOrnet, and Clyde C. Coger, Jr. In the absence of a qualified quorum, the members in attendance agreed to suspend further issues so as not to inundate the catch up process for the third participant.


We conducted extensive discussion on the proposed newsletter. brown_hornet will get with Zulile and share further thoughts, as well as create a new thread in solicitation of creative designers to assist Meta Saience with graphics for the T-Shirt program. This new thread will also solicit all family members to get involved with taking Destee.com to a meaningful level on the Internet.

The Brotha Clyde thread will be change into a more appropriate title since its original purpose has been served, river or an Administrator can only do this. Based upon newcomer, Jahari Kavi’s input, a quorum of three exists on several outstanding issues/items, and will be framed into Consensus for the next schedule meeting. The discussion on the ignorance factor will continue in abeyance pending receipt of A007’s point of view.


The following New/Next Item/Issue for consideration of GT members, as agreed will be as follows:

1. Name of the publication
2. Table of Contents

Consensus on the above will set the groundwork toward creating the manuscript. All members are now being asked to apply careful thought during this bedrock phase and central purpose of the project. We will test the water, so to speak, at the next schedule meeting.


Outstanding Issues awaiting Consensus

Clarity of Purpose
In House name and/or publication title
Question: What is the Origin of Racism (continued discussion)
Issues that Divide us (Obama, Meat eaters vs. Vegetarians, Religion, etc.)

(The following GT members, A007 and Jahari Kavi are expected to provide input to the above outstanding issues, before our next meeting on December 25th, 2008 @ 10:00AM Central. If done properly by posted replies to this thread, we should be able to reach consensus, if not, these items will be the subject of that meeting, provided there is quorum in attendance). (Welcome new member, phynxofkmt. phynxofkmt, the lone sought after female, has completed the original thread I believe, and has received some directions from Clyde for a smooth transition into Group Think). (Keita has been moved from active to inactive pending his return).

(As thread starter, phynxofkmt’s thread: Overcoming Self Hate Part II, is now annexed to the Origin of Racism Forum. This move connects with the purpose of Group Think, and could become the next published material under Destee.com exclusive rights).


Group Think…. Will we meet Christmas Day?

Clarity of Purpose
In House name and/or publication title
Question: What is the Origin of Racism (continued discussion)
Issues that Divide us (Obama, Meat eaters vs. Vegetarians, Religion, etc.)

(The following GT members, A007 and Jahari Kavi are expected to provide input to the above outstanding issues, before our next meeting on December 25th, 2008 @ 10:00AM Central. If done properly by posted replies to this thread, we should be able to reach consensus, if not, these items will be the subject of that meeting, provided there is quorum in attendance). (Welcome new member, phynxofkmt. phynxofkmt, the lone sought after female, has completed the original thread I believe, and has received some directions from Clyde for a smooth transition into Group Think). (Keita has been moved from active to inactive pending his return).

(As thread starter, phynxofkmt’s thread: Overcoming Self Hate Part II, is now annexed to the Origin of Racism Forum. This move connects with the purpose of Group Think, and could become the next published material under Destee.com exclusive rights).


Group Think…. Will we meet Christmas Day?



Clarity of Purpose: Personally I think the purpose if fairly clear.

Publication Title: I'm still not sure, but I do know that acronyms are catchy. This is just an example, but B.A.M....."By An Means..."....that might still be too strong for some people, lol. Or DREAM. Dedication to Restoring and Empowering Africans Mentalities.

Origins of Racism: In the thread about origins of racism I remember mentioning that none of us actually knowing the exact time when racism began, but we all know who benefits from it the most. I think we can attack from a viewpoint of the origins of systematic racism, since that's what racism "really" is and how it works. Like brother Brown mentioned earlier the false definition of racism that was made up by the very same people who institutionalized racism is not what racism really is. I started getting into an argument with a white dude the other day about this and I could clearly see that he wasn't getting my point. Maybe we can even bridge connections from times in the past (from the slave trade, during slavery, post reconstruction, etc.) and now of how systematic racism is still here, but how it manifests itself in different ways. We can also look to see how Africans collectively combatted these racist structures. We can bring up the strengths and weaknesses of these movements, and also how systematic racism destroyed or weakened them.

Issues that Divide us (Obama, Meat eaters vs. Vegetarians, Religion, etc.) - While I do think we should try to avoid some of these topics, I do feel that it can be a good idea to have a civilized discussion about them from time to time. In order for it to not be bias we can ask for input on the subject matter from differing ideologies. For example "religion".....I know this board is filled with people of various religious backgrounds. We have Christians, Muslims, Gods and Earths, Ausar/Auset Society, etc. I see nothing wrong with any of them as long as they are African centered for African people. Maybe we could give everyone a chance to express their viewpoints about their political, religious or spiritual beliefs through an Afrocentric scope........For example my friend was telling me of some brothers and sisters organizing themselves in Iraq, because they were inspired by Obama.

Clarity of Purpose: Personally I think the purpose if fairly clear.

Publication Title: I'm still not sure, but I do know that acronyms are catchy. This is just an example, but B.A.M....."By An Means..."....that might still be too strong for some people, lol. Or DREAM. Dedication to Restoring and Empowering Africans Mentalities[/COLOR](This is good I like it-Clyde).

Origins of Racism: In the thread about origins of racism I remember mentioning that none of us actually knowing the exact time when racism began, but we all know who benefits from it the most. [COLOR="red"]I think we can attack from a viewpoint of the origins of systematic racism, since that's what racism "really" is and how it works (Very Good-Clyde). Like brother Brown mentioned earlier the false definition of racism that was made up by the very same people who institutionalized racism is not what racism really is. I started getting into an argument with a white dude the other day about this and I could clearly see that he wasn't getting my point. Maybe we can even bridge connections from times in the past (from the slave trade, during slavery, post reconstruction, etc.) and now of how systematic racism is still here, but how it manifests itself in different ways. We can also look to see how Africans collectively combatted these racist structures (Excellent, also works toward the Table of Contents-Clyde). We can bring up the strengths and weaknesses of these movements, and also how systematic racism destroyed or weakened them.

Issues that Divide us (Obama, Meat eaters vs. Vegetarians, Religion, etc.) - While I do think we should try to avoid some of these topics, I do feel that it can be a good idea to have a civilized discussion about them from time to time. In order for it to not be bias we can ask for input on the subject matter from differing ideologies. For example "religion".....I know this board is filled with people of various religious backgrounds. We have Christians, Muslims, Gods and Earths, Ausar/Auset Society, etc. I see nothing wrong with any of them as long as they are African centered for African people. Maybe we could give everyone a chance to express their viewpoints about their political, religious or spiritual beliefs through an Afrocentric scope........For example my friend was telling me of some brothers and sisters organizing themselves in Iraq, because they were inspired by Obama. (Very Impressive, I agree on both-Clyde)




Jahari Kavi,

Thanks Jahari for your immediate input, the points you make are duly recorded and highlighted in Red Quotes, which you receive high accolades from me on. All submitted points are very impressive and nails down very valid points of view from and for our Black Community. All that you have submitted is excellent work Jahari.

Just one question, what it do for Xmas? Do we meet:)?

Well I know my fam's gonna probably want me to be with them, but I'm down for skippin out on em for a lil while, lol.

Well I know my fam's gonna probably want me to be with them, but I'm down for skippin out on em for a lil while, lol.




Got Cha!:), actually since you don't have a mic you're okay Jahari, its for me and brother brown to decide on Xmas:). But I certainly like your attitide about things. If brown and I do decide to meet, and if you do steal away lol, you could always just come to Chat, to listen and do texting. But in no way are you expected or obligated, enjoy the season:)

Progress Report

The Origin of Racism Group held it’s 10th meeting, December 25th, 2008. The Group Think (GT) meeting was promptly called at 10:00 AM Eastern and concluded at 10:45 AM Eastern. The later end of the meeting concluded telephonically between those in attendance.

In attendance and on the mic for GT was Clyde C. Coger, Jr. with brown_hornet through text messaging. In the absence of a qualified quorum, the members in attendance agreed to suspend further issues so as not to inundate the catch up process for the third participant.

Better understanding was reached concerning the Destee.comNewsletter, new Thread starting procedures, and more effective use of the Forum when soliciting. Overall, the meeting was productive and meaningful in setting forth expansive measures toward the desired goals.

The following remains status quo:

The following New/Next Item/Issue for consideration of GT members
Outstanding Issues awaiting Consensus

(The following GT members, A007, Jahari Kavi, and phynxofkmt are encouraged to provide input to the above outstanding issues, on or before our next meeting on January 1st, 2009 @ 10:00AM Central. Our first consensus, Clarity of Purpose, will be decided upon in that meeting).

Sorry that I couldn't make it this morning. I am starting to see EXACTLY what Clyde means by the enemy and trying to prevent this. But, he doesn't know who he deals with when messing with me. I will NEVER give up.

As for item #1 I believe that the origin of racism IS IGNORANCE! So, if this is not the consensus of the group, then we need to discuss this. As for the name we should all submit our ideas and get the group to vote on them.

As for item #2 Our focus should be to find the ORIGIN OF racism AND WORK TOWARDS ENDING THE MINDSET THAT CREATES IT. Until we do this, LIBERATION is impossible.

Let me know what yall think.

A007,

At this point, the group is closing in on the consensus that Racism is based on knowledge and not ignorance. Prejudice on the other hand is based on ignorance.

To follow up what Clyde said earlier, please respond to this thread and state your case as to why you believe that Racism originated with ignorance, so that we can have this discussion. Because if not, then we will have to conclude on the other side.

[B]Issues that Divide us (Obama, Meat eaters vs. Vegetarians, Religion, etc.) - While I do think we should try to avoid some of these topics, I do feel that it can be a good idea to have a civilized discussion about them from time to time. In order for it to not be bias we can ask for input on the subject matter from differing ideologies. For example "religion".....I know this board is filled with people of various religious backgrounds. We have Christians, Muslims, Gods and Earths, Ausar/Auset Society, etc. I see nothing wrong with any of them as long as they are African centered for African people. Maybe we could give everyone a chance to express their viewpoints about their political, religious or spiritual beliefs through an Afrocentric scope........For example my friend was telling me of some brothers and sisters organizing themselves in Iraq, because they were inspired by Obama.


I agree Jahari, that everyone should be able to express their viewpoints on ALL of these issues. But I think that these viewpoints should be in the newsletter and it's corresponding threads. The forbidden subjects that we are to leave off of the table just apply to the publication.

These subjects are so controversial, that if a book was to be written, and certain viewpoints on religion and/or politics were expressed... then everyone who disagreed with them would put the book down and denounce it (even if ALL of them were allowed to be expressed). As far as the publication/book, I think that it should just be based on common ground that WE ALL can agree on.

Progress Report

The Origin of Racism Group held it’s 11th meeting, January 01st, 2009. The Group Think (GT) meeting was promptly called at 10:00 AM Eastern and concluded at 10:45 AM Eastern. The later end of the meeting resulted in a question and answer period involving brother Qwamii. Qwamii has some web designer skills and is willing to offer the expertise. All questions were answered with a promised to provide links by brown and Clyde to brother Qwamii.

In attendance and on the mic for GT was brown_hornet and Clyde C. Coger, Jr. In the absence of a qualified quorum, the members in attendance agreed to suspend further issues so as not to inundate the catch up process for the third participant.

Solid understanding was reached concerning the Destee.comNewsletter. One of the major benefits will be site user navigation guide affording all participants the opportunity to take advantage of the many resources available. This portion alone should help generate a user-friendlier environment and may increase Premium Membership for those desiring overall maximum results. There was much discussion about the New Solicitation Threads added to the Forum, as well as the title change of the “Brotha Clyde” thread to: Group Think Progress Reports/Feedback. It was decided to bump the solicitation threads for maximum exposure to members. Our initial plan of posting consensus material into the thread: What is the Origin of Racism for editing will stand while remaining incognito with all sensitive material as GT decides. Overall, the meeting was productive and meaningful in setting forth expansive measures toward the desired goals.


The following remains status quo:

New/Next Item/Issue for consideration of GT members
Outstanding Issues awaiting Consensus

(The following GT members, A007, Jahari Kavi, and phynxofkmt are encouraged to provide input to the above outstanding issues, on or before our next meeting on January 8th, 2009 @ 10:00AM Central. Our forum: Origin of Racism Group now has eight (8) thread conducive to attain our goals and objectives, and all members and anyone interested should familiarize themselves with all (8) components. In view of a standing quorum of three (3), any member not submitting input on the Clarity of Purpose issue, that input will not be considered toward reaching the consensus.

i'm sorry I forgot where this thread was at......I will post thoughts in a lil bit.......

i'm sorry I forgot where this thread was at......I will post thoughts in a lil bit.......





Jahari Kavi,

Not a problem Jahari, could be the heebie jeebies:). But seriously, we take notice that a guide of some sort is needed to help us better navigate around this huge mansion of ours, you are not alone in this regard, continued Peace between us Jahari. Also, we are bumping our solicitation threads for that for very same reason.

A007,

At this point, the group is closing in on the consensus that Racism is based on knowledge and not ignorance. Prejudice on the other hand is based on ignorance.

To follow up what Clyde said earlier, please respond to this thread and state your case as to why you believe that Racism originated with ignorance, so that we can have this discussion. Because if not, then we will have to conclude on the other side.

I believe Racism (and any other evil) is originated from ignorance because in EVERY case it requires the believer to NOT KNOW something OR believe SOMETHING TO BE TRUE WHEN IT IS NOT.

I do understand how many people could and would consider racism to be based on knowledge..."because the founders KNEW what they were doing." However, here are the problems with that.
1) The founders of Racism believed that enslaving a people based on the color of their skin and proceed to treat them as less than human was the BEST way to prosper....WE KNOW THIS TO BE UNTRUE...i.e. they were ignorant.
2) When the founders who created LIES and PROPAGANDA to advance racism died MOST of the TRUTHS died with them. It became such an indoctrination that LIES BECAME TRUTH to most. So, the system that was created and advanced on lies, now began to ring true to people who DIDN'T KNOW ANY BETTER. These attitudes remain today in the ignorant people of the south and many of the "old money" desendants. The fact is that THEY ACTUALLY BELIEVE THEY ARE RIGHT...this is classic IGNORANCE.
3) If it were ACTUALLY knowledge that racism came from, this would mean that it is FACT that racism SHOULD exist. Real knowledge is KNOWING something that is FACT. And, as we all KNOW there are no facts to support racism as a justafiable system.

A007,

Thank you for your input. Now... let me address what you are saying point by point.

I believe Racism (and any other evil) is originated from ignorance because in EVERY case it requires the believer to NOT KNOW something OR believe SOMETHING TO BE TRUE WHEN IT IS NOT.

I do understand how many people could and would consider racism to be based on knowledge..."because the founders KNEW what they were doing." However, here are the problems with that.


1) The founders of Racism believed that enslaving a people based on the color of their skin and proceed to treat them as less than human was the BEST way to prosper....WE KNOW THIS TO BE UNTRUE...i.e. they were ignorant.

The founders of Racism were correct when they thought that enslaving people would be the best way FOR THEM to prosper. Who is more prosperous (from a material standpoint) than so called White supremacist? Didn't slavery make this country rich? And if White people didn't enslave us and write us out of history as the founders of civilization, where would they be now? Better off?

Or... Are you saying that White people wanted to advance society as a whole, and they thought that the best way to do so was to enslave melanated people? So now that society is messed up, we NOW know that White people failed? So when White people attacked and brutalized Africa, they thought they were doing a righteous thing for the world? But they were ignorant?


2) When the founders who created LIES and PROPAGANDA to advance racism died MOST of the TRUTHS died with them. It became such an indoctrination that LIES BECAME TRUTH to most. So, the system that was created and advanced on lies, now began to ring true to people who DIDN'T KNOW ANY BETTER. These attitudes remain today in the ignorant people of the south and many of the "old money" desendants. The fact is that THEY ACTUALLY BELIEVE THEY ARE RIGHT...this is classic IGNORANCE.

If most of those truths died with them, then how do we know them now? The truth about "OUR" greatness never died. They were passed on from generation to generation (among so called White Supremacists) and even on to this day through secret societies like the Masonics, Skull & Bones, Cap & Gown, etc etc. And these secret societies (that run this joint), use this knowledge and sit around all day and analyze how to keep us enslaved mentally and physically (often using our strengths against us).

Like a stated before.. the Ignorance that you are talking about is PREJUDICE (to pre-judge). This is the category that most people are in. But those at the top KNOW exactly what they are doing. They also know how to keep everyone ignorant (pre-judice)!

3) If it were ACTUALLY knowledge that racism came from, this would mean that it is FACT that racism SHOULD exist. Real knowledge is KNOWING something that is FACT. And, as we all KNOW there are no facts to support racism as a justafiable system.

So if a man Kills his wife because he KNOWS for a FACT that she cheated on him, then that means that the homicide SHOULD have existed because it was based on knowledge? But if he killed her because he THOUGHT she cheated on him (but didn't have the facts) then it would be wrong?

Whether or not an action is based on knowledge or ignorance doesn't mean that it should or should not exist. Whether or not racism should exist is a whole different (positive - negative type) discussion.

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If in fact, Racism is based on ignorance, then what do you suggest as a solution? Should we take a bunch of John Henry Clark and Dr. Ben books to the Illuminati (consolidated White supremacists) for them to read? And when they read these books, will they then say, "OH... Yall really did build the pyramids! We didn't know this!" And then they will stop oppressing us because they are no longer ignorant? Or if we teach them that slavery isn't good for society as a whole, then they will stop?

Truth be told, the knowledge that our grandmaster teachers have taught us about how great we are, IS the reason why They (who can never be us) oppress us.

This goes along with the fact that if recessive gene people didn't oppress us, their race would cease to exist genetically (which is a fact). This FACT is another basis of their system of racism against us.

Hemmitt Explains the Difference Between Racism and Prejudice
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A007,

Thank you for your input. Now... let me address what you are saying point by point.





The founders of Racism were correct when they thought that enslaving people would be the best way FOR THEM to prosper. Who is more prosperous (from a material standpoint) than so called White supremacist? Didn't slavery make this country rich? And if White people didn't enslave us and write us out of history as the founders of civilization, where would they be now? Better off?

Or... Are you saying that White people wanted to advance society as a whole, and they thought that the best way to do so was to enslave melanated people? So now that society is messed up, we NOW know that White people failed? So when White people attacked and brutalized Africa, they thought they were doing a righteous thing for the world? But they were ignorant?

I am saying that WITHOUT A DOUBT this country would have been better off if they HAD NOT STOLEN us and enslaved us. The free labor that they stole has cost them immeasurable time, money, war, lives, heartbreak, despair and respect. This country COULD have been built WITHOUT slavery just and MANY others were. And had they been smart enough to build it without evil they would not have had to pay for or die in civil war. The southern economy would not have collapsed. The money it cost to fight the civil rights movement would not have been spent. I could go on but you get the picture. IT WAS A TERRIBLE MISTAKE TO ENSLAVE US!! Their IGNORANCE told them different!


If most of those truths died with them, then how do we know them now? The truth about "OUR" greatness never died. They were passed on from generation to generation (among so called White Supremacists) and even on to this day through secret societies like the Masonics, Skull & Bones, Cap & Gown, etc etc. And these secret societies (that run this joint), use this knowledge and sit around all day and analyze how to keep us enslaved mentally and physically (often using our strengths against us).

Like a stated before.. the Ignorance that you are talking about is PREJUDICE (to pre-judge). This is the category that most people are in. But those at the top KNOW exactly what they are doing. They also know how to keep everyone ignorant (pre-judice)!


When I say the truths died with them, I am referring to the KNOWLEDGE that racism is WRONG. Most people seem to believe that because they KNOW how to perpetuate the system that they KNOW it to be wrong. This is a TERRIBLE assumption. It is no different than the brainwashing of any religion. The people who believe it BELIEVE IT WITH ALL OF THE SOUL. The people who practice racism now either BELIEVE IT TO BE THE CORRECT COURSE OF ACTION WITH ALL OF THEIR SOUL....OR....HAVE NO IDEA THAT THEY ARE EVEN RACIST.

One can know this when we take the time to study that WHITES ARE NOT THE FIRST TO IMPLEMENT SUCH A SYSTEM, that it goes on in almost all cultures, and the indoctrinated are dangerous because they DON'T KNOW THE TRUTH! Even when presented with facts they will deny them in order to hold on to what they have been brainwashed to believe.

So if a man Kills his wife because he KNOWS for a FACT that she cheated on him, then that means that the homicide SHOULD have existed because it was based on knowledge? But if he killed her because he THOUGHT she cheated on him (but didn't have the facts) then it would be wrong?

Whether or not an action is based on knowledge or ignorance doesn't mean that it should or should not exist. Whether or not racism should exist is a whole different (positive - negative type) discussion.


You missed the KEY word...JUSTIFIABLE. If that man kills his wife (even if it is fact that she cheated) it does not make what he did JUSTIFIABLE...hence he will probably go to jail...especially if he is black and not rich. Killing her was a MISTAKE based on the IGNORANCE of emotional decision making. RACISM CAN NOT BE JUSTIFIED IN ANY KNOWLEDGABLE PERSONS HEAD because it is wrong POINT BLANK...but there are PLENTY that don't BELIEVE IT to be wrong at all.

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If in fact, Racism is based on ignorance, then what do you suggest as a solution? Should we take a bunch of John Henry Clark and Dr. Ben books to the Illuminati (consolidated White supremacists) for them to read? And when they read these books, will they then say, "OH... Yall really did build the pyramids! We didn't know this!" And then they will stop oppressing us because they are no longer ignorant? Or if we teach them that slavery isn't good for society as a whole, then they will stop?

Truth be told, the knowledge that our grandmaster teachers have taught us about how great we are, IS the reason why They (who can never be us) oppress us.

This goes along with the fact that if recessive gene people didn't oppress us, their race would cease to exist genetically (which is a fact). This FACT is another basis of their system of racism against us.


The solution is EDUCATION. Do I believe they will be openly receptive. NO! Do I believe it will be easy? NO! But yes we have to present our case that it is detrimental to society as a whole...BECAUSE IT IS! Yes we have to present the fact that the hatred they harbor for us is UNWARRANTED but more importantly is what is KILLING THEM with heart attacks and strokes...etc.

Case in point...every elementary school in America teaches that MILK is good for our children...when in fact it is TERRIBLE!! So, the person telling people that milk is not good for them is "crazy" until you present the evidence. Then there are STILL many people who will dismiss the evidence so they can continue to believe what they have been brainwashed to believe. HOWEVER, THERE ARE PLENTY THAT RECEIVE THE MESSAGE AND CHANGE WHAT THEY BELIEVE! Eventually, if enough people get the message out, the MAJORITY OF people will KNOW the truth about milk and act accordingly. I'm not sure how long it will take...but it is a step in the right direction. The same is true of RACISM!!

Guys: A007 and brown_hornet,

We are not far from reaching consensus on this issue and here is why:

brown_hornet:

A007,

At this point, the group is closing in on the consensus that Racism is based on knowledge and not ignorance. Prejudice on the other hand is based on ignorance.


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A007:

The solution is EDUCATION. Do I believe they will be openly receptive. NO! Do I believe it will be easy? NO! But yes we have to present our case that it is detrimental to society as a whole...BECAUSE IT IS!

In my view, between the three terms, knowledge (education), ignorance and prejudice there is no polarity, which is to say, a separation of sorts into distinct categories. Rather, there is antithesis’s between the three terms, meaning, a kind of contrast, which is inseparable from the other. So, whether the basis is knowledge (education), ignorance or prejudice, all three conditions are the trappings of what we recognize as racism. And on that basis, the three or four of us seem to agree.

If knowledge equals education and ignorance equals a lack of education, if you will, then knowledge and ignorance are linked covertly, would you both agree?

Please consider the lecture of Dr. Claude Anderson, as it relates to racism below, and demonstrates yet another twist which defines racism and prejudice. In all honesty, Hemmitt and Anderson are actually not far apart at all on the matter, the same as the both of you not being far apart. Because the system of racism is now complete, it is extremely hard to labeled as such, which by the way, has nothing to do with achieving the goal of its eradication, would you both agree?



America is failing…. Dr. Claude Anderson
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dLGUBS32vOk


Remember guys, Group Think reaches consensus, not just back and forth dialogue. We must find all points of common interest, and settle the differences, this is the hard part, and it is not easy!

I believe Racism (and any other evil) is originated from ignorance because in EVERY case it requires the believer to NOT KNOW something OR believe SOMETHING TO BE TRUE WHEN IT IS NOT.

I do understand how many people could and would consider racism to be based on knowledge..."because the founders KNEW what they were doing." However, here are the problems with that.
1) The founders of Racism believed that enslaving a people based on the color of their skin and proceed to treat them as less than human was the BEST way to prosper....WE KNOW THIS TO BE UNTRUE...i.e. they were ignorant.
2) When the founders who created LIES and PROPAGANDA to advance racism died MOST of the TRUTHS died with them. It became such an indoctrination that LIES BECAME TRUTH to most. So, the system that was created and advanced on lies, now began to ring true to people who DIDN'T KNOW ANY BETTER. These attitudes remain today in the ignorant people of the south and many of the "old money" desendants. The fact is that THEY ACTUALLY BELIEVE THEY ARE RIGHT...this is classic IGNORANCE.
3) If it were ACTUALLY knowledge that racism came from, this would mean that it is FACT that racism SHOULD exist. Real knowledge is KNOWING something that is FACT. And, as we all KNOW there are no facts to support racism as a justafiable system.

If I may present an alternate hypothesis, one that I have been long in considering. Racism may be a form of vengeance based on the initial rejection and deliberate attempt of Original Tribes to abandon and foresake those with leprosy and loss of pigmentation. Here is what I was told by high ranking members of the Mechanical lodge:
There were numerous exodus out of Africa, and that included those who were expunged for experimenting with their skin, and those who contracted the disease of leprosy or vitiligo. Vitiligo is actually a disease of the immune system.

These tribes left the Motherland and were "cut off", physically, mentally, and psychologically from their original state, and in effect, their parents.
(I believe that some of these tribes may have been physically trapped into the Germanic regions and are today known as the "Bog People", and will discuss this later)

Anyhow, the tribes that were ostracized found themselves weak, and dying. Their source of survival was to return to their homelands and rape their own families to produce offspring that could survive.

If we look again at the Maafa, in the context of genetic material, what we see is the planned theft and capture of the Original Tribe for his DNA.
I believe this was the true purpose behind the slave trade, and the TRUE reason for the continued enslavement of melanin rich people.

If you look carefully at the amount of disease, sickness and early death that the Caucasian is afflicted by, it is obvious that his condition of whiteness is burden. Unless melanin rich people can be coerced, manipulated, bought or seduced into sexual unions with them, their time on the clock is limited.

The whites study us because they are searching for a cure. They don't wish to ask us for it, they don't wish to buy and compensate the melanin rich peoples for their genetic material, because they carry the memory of being "cut off", and for this they are very, very angry - calcified to be exact.

For Caucasians, this planet is unpleasant. Either the sun is too hot, the winds too fierce or the weather to cold. white-ness requires artificial or unnatural means of adaptation.

Their genetic misery is their source of hate, and that will not change. In fact, it is a war that both sides are playing, some consciously, others are unaware. Everytime a mixed union takes place, there lies the potential to either return all genetic material back to black with the next offspring, thereby absorbing the whiteness; or to reverse the result in 3 generations and return to white.

Movies that remind me of this story are Star Trek Insurrection, The Dark Crystal