This question is at the genesis of us beginning to create real justice, freedom, and peace for our people.

People like Lokman offer stagnent commentary filled with latent ambiguity that fails miserably at either defining the real problem and/or finding a real solution.

Anyone have a GOOD answer to this question?

This question is at the genesis of us beginning to create real justice, freedom, and peace for our people.

People like Lokman offer stagnent commentary filled with latent ambiguity that fails miserably at either defining the real problem and/or finding a real solution.

Anyone have a GOOD answer to this question?





A007,

This is only a suggestion, A007. To expedite time, and as thread starter, why not lay your answer on the table, and allow others, if any, to contribute or reject. This would lead us in the right direction and save time. Otherwise, this is the typical style of answering the answer. Why would a person answer the question, knowing that his or her answer would be answered by the thread starter. Lets get away from this style of dialogue and go for the substance or true intent of the thread. Again, only a suggestion!

A007,

This is only a suggestion, A007. To expedite time, and as thread starter, why not lay your answer on the table, and allow others, if any, to contribute or reject. This would lead us in the right direction and save time. Otherwise, this is the typical style of answering the answer. Why would a person answer the question, knowing that his or her answer would be answered by the thread starter. Lets get away from this style of dialogue and go for the substance or true intent of the thread. Again, only a suggestion!



Because if I offer an answer directly after asking a question, then the question is not necessary because there has been a conclusion already reached.

The purpose of the question is to get other's OPINIONS and/or FACTS as they relate to the question. It is an acceptable response to say "I don't know" or "I am not sure". But, to offer an answer before anyone has given it any thought would only set people up to disagree with my theory mostly BECAUSE they haven't given it any THOUGHT.

So, for you, Lokman, and all others I would ask for an opinion/theory on the subject so I can process all information before I offer what my theory is.

Thanks, Peace.

Because if I offer an answer directly after asking a question, then the question is not necessary because there has been a conclusion already reached.

The purpose of the question is to get other's OPINIONS and/or FACTS as they relate to the question. It is an acceptable response to say "I don't know" or "I am not sure". But, to offer an answer before anyone has given it any thought would only set people up to disagree with my theory mostly BECAUSE they haven't given it any THOUGHT.

So, for you, Lokman, and all others I would ask for an opinion/theory on the subject so I can process all information before I offer what my theory is.

Thanks, Peace.




A007,

Why do I get the sense that you have very little confidence in your theory?
Also, what you have stated does little to do away with the idea of, "answer the answer."

A007,

Why do I get the sense that you have very little confidence in your theory?
Also, what you have stated does little to do away with the idea of, "answer the answer."




Lol, my theory is basically unimpeachable. There may different theories, but in all of the ones I have examined they ALL lead back to MY theory. I will not accept the credit for what I believe, because it is a conglomeration of a few different schools of thought.

Your question to me...Why do I get the sense that you have very little confidence in your theory? is funny. I have plenty of confidence in it.

Why do I get the sense you don't have a theory? It is perfectly ok if you don't have one. MOST people don't. And the ones who DO have one only explain the symptoms of the illness not the ORIGIN of the illness. Why not just state what you believe? I am not going to chop it up. I am just going to say if it is similar to my theory or not. Then, after I have gotten a few answers I will offer what I believe to be the origin and we can then compare notes and maybe come to a adequate conclusion.

Thanks

Lol, my theory is basically impeachable. There may different theories, but in all of the ones I have examined they ALL lead back to MY theory. I will not accept the credit for what I believe, because it is a conglomeration of a few different schools of thought.

Your question to me...Why do I get the sense that you have very little confidence in your theory? is funny. I have plenty of confidence in it.

Why do I get the sense you don't have a theory? It is perfectly ok if you don't have one. MOST people don't. And the ones who DO have one only explain the symptoms of the illness not the ORIGIN of the illness. Why not just state what you believe? I am not going to chop it up. I am just going to similar to my theory or not. Then, after I have gotten a few answers I will offer what I believe to be the origin and we can then compare notes and maybe come to a adequate conclusion.

Thanks




A007,

Well...blow me over! I give! I have no clue on the origin of Racism! And this is a promise, neither will I attempt to counter your theory during the discussion. So, I am all ears, or whatever. Does that mean, you will wait until several posters have offered their thoughts before your theory is shared, if so, I will patiently wait.

WHAT IS THE ORIGIN OF RACISM

Greetings Brothers A007 and Clyde Coger

I intend to come back to this and am book marking for now:em4700:
I shall return as available!

Peace..

M.E.
:hearts2:

This question is at the genesis of us beginning to create real justice, freedom, and peace for our people.

People like Lokman offer stagnent commentary filled with latent ambiguity that fails miserably at either defining the real problem and/or finding a real solution.

Anyone have a GOOD answer to this question?

An even more basic question than that:

Is it necessary to know the time and date a problem began in order to solve the problem?

Why not just say that all of the problems among the people of the known universe started with the creation of people so in order to solve all of the problems among the people of the known universe you have to wipe out all of the people in the known universe?

Be serious. (I have to give you something to respond to. Non-white people respond to statements more than we respond to questions)

In order to solve the problem of your alternator in your automobile not properly charging the battery is it necessary to know the origin of the automobile or the battery or the alternator?

In order to solve the problem of your child ripping up the leather couch with a butcher's knife is it necessary to know the origin of the couch and the butcher's knife and study, in detail, when your child was born while the child continues to rip up the couch with the butcher's knife?

No. There is no way anyone can ever know the origin of racism (http://www.counter-racism.com/cgi-bin/work-study/viewtopic.php?p=17#17) because no person that is on the planet today existed when racism was started. All you'll get is speculation on when it started...where it started...why it started...how it started... and who started it.

We were taken down that road by the smartest and most powerful white people. Racism (http://www.counter-racism.com/cgi-bin/work-study/viewtopic.php?p=17#17) is in the universe. You are in the universe. Racism (http://www.counter-racism.com/cgi-bin/work-study/viewtopic.php?p=17#17) is a problem. Racism (http://www.counter-racism.com/cgi-bin/work-study/viewtopic.php?p=17#17) was here when you got here.

So what do you do about racism (http://www.counter-racism.com/cgi-bin/work-study/viewtopic.php?p=17#17) being here in the universe with you and it is affecting you?

Just like with the child you observe what the child is doing and figure out a way to stop the child from doing what he or she is doing if you find that what the child is doing is destructive. After you have stopped the child from cutting up all of the furniture then you can sit down with the child and try to figure out where this aggression began and come up with solutions to keep it from happening again. But the first order of business is to get that butcher's knife out of that child's hands without you being harmed and wrestle that child to the ground if you have to and calm that child down by whatever means you have to. You do that first. But to try to figure out the origin of the child, the butcher's knife and the couch while the child is being destructive?

That's how we treat being mistreated on the basis of color. We attempt to try to figure out when this mistreatment began happening...while we are being mistreated on the basis of color on a daily basis. This is insane behavior. Just as insane as trying to figure out the origin of the child, the couch, and the butcher's knife while the child is ripping up the couch with the butcher's knife. Total insanity. We are insane people.

We don't have to be if we follow THE LOGIC (http://www.counter-racism.com/cgi-bin/work-study/viewtopic.php?t=926&sid=bc03d0b6a3d078963d727fae61686aeb). The first order of business is to figure out a way to stop the white people who practice racism (white supremacy) from doing what they are doing and you have to do that without being harmed. Sounds like it is harder than rocket science but it isn't. It is very simple to do but you have to know what you are doing when you are doing it.

An even more basic question than that:

Is it necessary to know the time and date a problem began in order to solve the problem?

Why not just say that all of the problems among the people of the known universe started with the creation of people so in order to solve all of the problems among the people of the known universe you have to wipe out all of the people in the known universe?

Be serious. (I have to give you something to respond to. Non-white people respond to statements more than we respond to questions)

In order to solve the problem of your alternator in your automobile not properly charging the battery is it necessary to know the origin of the automobile or the battery or the alternator?

In order to solve the problem of your child ripping up the leather couch with a butcher's knife is it necessary to know the origin of the couch and the butcher's knife and study, in detail, when your child was born while the child continues to rip up the couch with the butcher's knife?

No. There is no way anyone can ever know the origin of racism (http://www.counter-racism.com/cgi-bin/work-study/viewtopic.php?p=17#17) because no person that is on the planet today existed when racism was started. All you'll get is speculation on when it started...where it started...why it started...how it started... and who started it.

We were taken down that road by the smartest and most powerful white people. Racism (http://www.counter-racism.com/cgi-bin/work-study/viewtopic.php?p=17#17) is in the universe. You are in the universe. Racism (http://www.counter-racism.com/cgi-bin/work-study/viewtopic.php?p=17#17) is a problem. Racism (http://www.counter-racism.com/cgi-bin/work-study/viewtopic.php?p=17#17) was here when you got here.

So what do you do about racism (http://www.counter-racism.com/cgi-bin/work-study/viewtopic.php?p=17#17) being here in the universe with you and it is affecting you?

Just like with the child you observe what the child is doing and figure out a way to stop the child from doing what he or she is doing if you find that what the child is doing is destructive. After you have stopped the child from cutting up all of the furniture then you can sit down with the child and try to figure out where this aggression began and come up with solutions to keep it from happening again. But the first order of business is to get that butcher's knife out of that child's hands without you being harmed and wrestle that child to the ground if you have to and calm that child down by whatever means you have to. You do that first. But to try to figure out the origin of the child, the butcher's knife and the couch while the child is being destructive?

That's how we treat being mistreated on the basis of color. We attempt to try to figure out when this mistreatment began happening...while we are being mistreated on the basis of color on a daily basis. This is insane behavior. Just as insane as trying to figure out the origin of the child, the couch, and the butcher's knife while the child is ripping up the couch with the butcher's knife. Total insanity. We are insane people.

We don't have to be if we follow THE LOGIC (http://www.counter-racism.com/cgi-bin/work-study/viewtopic.php?t=926&sid=bc03d0b6a3d078963d727fae61686aeb). The first order of business is to figure out a way to stop the white people who practice racism (white supremacy) from doing what they are doing and you have to do that without being harmed. Sounds like it is harder than rocket science but it isn't. It is very simple to do but you have to know what you are doing when you are doing it.

Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a DIFFERENT RESULT. That is EXACTLY what we are continuing to do. We keep trying to figure out a way to stop white people who practice racism...but we have NO IDEA why the practice racism. This is the very definition of INSANITY!!

Your example of the child and couch are not even close to the same thing. the equivilent would be...If I said we need to find out the origin of black people who are the OBJECT of the racism. The origin of the BEHAVIOR of the child is actually the exact same origin as racism. It is the exact same origin as ALL evil. The fact that you don't know the origin of an altenator (object) is not the same as not knowing the origin of the inability of the car to start (how the car is acting).

We continue to try to start the car (stop racism) without knowing WHY the car doesn't start (the origin of the problem). That is insanity. What we have been doing the same thing for the last 200 years and it has NOT WORKED, so why do we continue to try the same things when it is obvious that they are not changing anything?

Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a DIFFERENT RESULT. That is EXACTLY what we are continuing to do. We keep trying to figure out a way to stop white people who practice racism...but we have NO IDEA why the practice racism. This is the very definition of INSANITY!!

Your example of the child and couch are not even close to the same thing. the equivilent would be...If I said we need to find out the origin of black people who are the OBJECT of the racism. The origin of the BEHAVIOR of the child is actually the exact same origin as racism. It is the exact same origin as ALL evil. The fact that you don't know the origin of an altenator (object) is not the same as not knowing the origin of the inability of the car to start (how the car is acting).

We continue to try to start the car (stop racism) without knowing WHY the car doesn't start (the origin of the problem). That is insanity. What we have been doing the same thing for the last 200 years and it has NOT WORKED, so why do we continue to try the same things when it is obvious that they are not changing anything?

I don't know why non-white people continue to search for the origin of racism (http://www.counter-racism.com/cgi-bin/work-study/viewtopic.php?p=17#17). How long have non-white people been trying to find out why white people practice racism (http://www.counter-racism.com/cgi-bin/work-study/viewtopic.php?p=17#17)?

Tribal wars........white man saw that Africa was rich and fueding amongst them selves and they also saw the oppertinity..........to manipulate and exploit!

Africa has to become one.......all the blacks/Africans in north America has to do the same.........................

They have to have a resource of invisible money.........and exploiting and killing blacks/Africans is their source.

They love to hate us...........the only way they can win is with riches and controlling the worlds view of us and their power over us and undeveloped countries.

PEACE:rain:

Tribal wars........white man saw that Africa was rich and fueding amongst them selves and they also saw the oppertinity..........to manipulate and exploit!

Africa has to become one.......all the blacks/Africans in north America has to do the same.........................

They have to have a resource of invisible money.........and exploiting and killing blacks/Africans is their source.

They love to hate us...........the only way they can win is with riches and controlling the worlds view of us and their power over us and undeveloped countries.

PEACE:rain:

great response

An even more basic question than that:

Is it necessary to know the time and date a problem began in order to solve the problem?

Why not just say that all of the problems among the people of the known universe started with the creation of people so in order to solve all of the problems among the people of the known universe you have to wipe out all of the people in the known universe?

Be serious. (I have to give you something to respond to. Non-white people respond to statements more than we respond to questions)

In order to solve the problem of your alternator in your automobile not properly charging the battery is it necessary to know the origin of the automobile or the battery or the alternator?

In order to solve the problem of your child ripping up the leather couch with a butcher's knife is it necessary to know the origin of the couch and the butcher's knife and study, in detail, when your child was born while the child continues to rip up the couch with the butcher's knife?

No. There is no way anyone can ever know the origin of racism (http://www.counter-racism.com/cgi-bin/work-study/viewtopic.php?p=17#17) because no person that is on the planet today existed when racism was started. All you'll get is speculation on when it started...where it started...why it started...how it started... and who started it.

We were taken down that road by the smartest and most powerful white people. Racism (http://www.counter-racism.com/cgi-bin/work-study/viewtopic.php?p=17#17) is in the universe. You are in the universe. Racism (http://www.counter-racism.com/cgi-bin/work-study/viewtopic.php?p=17#17) is a problem. Racism (http://www.counter-racism.com/cgi-bin/work-study/viewtopic.php?p=17#17) was here when you got here.

So what do you do about racism (http://www.counter-racism.com/cgi-bin/work-study/viewtopic.php?p=17#17) being here in the universe with you and it is affecting you?

Just like with the child you observe what the child is doing and figure out a way to stop the child from doing what he or she is doing if you find that what the child is doing is destructive. After you have stopped the child from cutting up all of the furniture then you can sit down with the child and try to figure out where this aggression began and come up with solutions to keep it from happening again. But the first order of business is to get that butcher's knife out of that child's hands without you being harmed and wrestle that child to the ground if you have to and calm that child down by whatever means you have to. You do that first. But to try to figure out the origin of the child, the butcher's knife and the couch while the child is being destructive?

That's how we treat being mistreated on the basis of color. We attempt to try to figure out when this mistreatment began happening...while we are being mistreated on the basis of color on a daily basis. This is insane behavior. Just as insane as trying to figure out the origin of the child, the couch, and the butcher's knife while the child is ripping up the couch with the butcher's knife. Total insanity. We are insane people.

We don't have to be if we follow THE LOGIC (http://www.counter-racism.com/cgi-bin/work-study/viewtopic.php?t=926&sid=bc03d0b6a3d078963d727fae61686aeb). The first order of business is to figure out a way to stop the white people who practice racism (white supremacy) from doing what they are doing and you have to do that without being harmed. Sounds like it is harder than rocket science but it isn't. It is very simple to do but you have to know what you are doing when you are doing it.



That was a really drawn out allegory, and strangely I understood it and agree with you! Some of the other bloggers believe we have to first find the origin. It’s definitely going to take a whole lot of time to sort through all the many theories and controversy. In the meanwhile, while we are sitting around trying to figure out the origin, with every second that goes by a person is getting hurt (or as you figuratively state a couch is being butchered). I don’t know about the rest of them, but if I found a way to prevent my child, family member or friend from getting emotionally abused by racism, I would take it and then go back to the drawing board on why it started and where it came from. Yes, sometimes you will only get the cure from the source, but there ARE times you can still manage to formulate a cure from trial and error, a.k.a experimenting, without knowing how and where the horrible disease/ mental illness started and or spread.

That was a really drawn out allegory, and strangely I understood it and agree with you! Some of the other bloggers believe we have to first find the origin. It’s definitely going to take a whole lot of time to sort through all the many theories and controversy. In the meanwhile, while we are sitting around trying to figure out the origin, with every second that goes by a person is getting hurt (or as you figuratively state a couch is being butchered). I don’t know about the rest of them, but if I found a way to prevent my child, family member or friend from getting emotionally abused by racism, I would take it and then go back to the drawing board on why it started and where it came from. Yes, sometimes you will only get the cure from the source, but there ARE times you can still manage to formulate a cure from trial and error, a.k.a experimenting, without knowing how and where the horrible disease/ mental illness started and or spread.

I agree there are times when you manage a disease without having the origin, but can you name a time when it is a behavioral?

This question is at the genesis of us beginning to create real justice, freedom, and peace for our people.

People like Lokman offer stagnent commentary filled with latent ambiguity that fails miserably at either defining the real problem and/or finding a real solution.

Anyone have a GOOD answer to this question?




A007,

There have been several posters contributing to the question raised. At what point or how long will it take before your theory is set out? Have you received any good answers yet? If so, please explain.

Greetings Brothers A007 and Clyde Coger

I intend to come back to this and am book marking for now:em4700:
I shall return as available!

Peace..

M.E.
:hearts2:

Greetings Again!

Wow. After reading some of the comments since mine, I'm almost inclined to pass on this. However, I do have my thoughts on the matter..."Origins of Racism" and since I made the commitment to share, I'll do so.

First off, in a nutshell, I'd suggest "Racism" started when those who practice it arrived on the scene.
I hold to the Creation Story put forth by the Dogon people of West Africa who suggest that white folk are the result of an impatient male energy who did not wait for completion (being paired with a female twin soul/energy). As a result, it has moved to and fro across the land in it's incomplete state, angry and jealous of complete beings and living a life of shame. He uses many defenses to hide his true incomplete self working to have complete beings believe that he is really complete.

Racism, in reference to what Afreekan Descendants in the west have come to know, is a SYSTEM designed to force the people(complete beings) to believe that they (white people) are all great and powerful, and that all must desire to be like them and that they are no "different" than any other "human" (complete) beings. They work very hard and very diligently at what they do. They seem to have become quite proficient at it as well. They have been doing it for a very long time.
I could go further into defining how I see this as it plays itself out on ALL five levels of lived experience we share. Those levels are, Spiritual, Societal, Communal, Family and Individual. I think that as this problem exist and began on the Spiritual realm, then the ultimate solution will come from that place as well. I also believe that on each and every level we exist, we are also engaged in this Spiritual Warfare to defeat this thing and hold true to our true selves as complete beings....not living under the rule and reign of incompleteness.
That's a rough draft of my theory and it's drawn from a variety of sources of knowledge that I have been exposed to.

This is an interesting question and at this point I'm with Brother Edward in terms of dealing with FIRST THINGS FIRST. For me, that "first" is ....the individual.

I'm interested now in hearing YOUR theory as I trust Brother Clyde Coger is awaiting as well. I "trust" this about him because of his stated pet peeve of unanswered post. so...looking forward to hearing back from you on this.

M.E.
:hearts2:

here's the best i can do ....now

Greetings Again!

I'm interested now in hearing YOUR theory as I trust Brother Clyde Coger is awaiting as well. I "trust" this about him because of his stated pet peeve of unanswered post. so...looking forward to hearing back from you on this.

M.E.
:hearts2:




Abena,

Thank you my Friend! Couldn’t help but to notice that your views have changed a great degree, and that is a good thing. A007, unfortunately, is very aware of hanging posts, and how they affect me. This begs the question, am I the only one that feels that way about being left high and dry, so to speak. Please, just thinking out a loud, don’t answer, because if I stand alone, what more can I say!

Couldn’t help but to notice that your views have change a great degree,

Greetings Clyde...:wave:

I won't answer your question...respecting your request......BUT

I'm not sure what you mean by above quote. What do you mean:?:

I recognize my ish here cause this may be waaaaay off the topic of this conversation...yet...I want to KNOW.


M.E.
:hearts2:

Greetings Clyde...:wave:

I won't answer your question...respecting your request......BUT

I'm not sure what you mean by above quote. What do you mean:?:

I recognize my ish here cause this may be waaaaay off the topic of this conversation...yet...I want to KNOW.


M.E.
:hearts2:




Abena,

Relax True, specifically, the Dogon theory is what I make reference to. This is miles apart from what we have shared on the issue of white people, do you remember(pardon the Michael Jackson)? Again, its no big deal, and it is, as I said, a good thing!

Abena,

Relax True, specifically,the Dogon theory is what I make reference to. This is miles apart from what we have shared on the issue of white people, do you remember(pardon the Michael Jackson)? Again, its no big deal, and it is, as I said, a good thing!



Ok...and...I am relaxed
Still....I've held this view since hearing Dr. Ani in 1998 and reading her work Yurugu. I don't recall ALL of our conversations yet, I'm certain I mentioned my beliefs about white folk and where they come from. I may have also shared other views however...this is my primary theory. They are always telling us the truth about them...the movie The Terminator did a good job of solidifying and supporting Dr. Ani's work. I wish I knew more of the original script written by SiStar Sophie. Even if those thieving brothers edited the original work...they tell on themselves. They "dropped" their incomplete selves here like the sickly looking character who came down to stop the terminator.


Still waiting on YOU Brother A007
Hey btw..are you saying you are an Agent:?:...... A 007:?:


M.E.
:hearts2:

Ok...and...I am relaxed
Still....I've held this view since hearing Dr. Ani in 1998 and reading her work Yurugu. I don't recall ALL of our conversations yet, I'm certain I mentioned my beliefs about white folk and where they come from. I may have also shared other views however...this is my primary theory. They are always telling us the truth about them...the movie The Terminator did a good job of solidifying and supporting Dr. Ani's work. I wish I knew more of the original script written by SiStar Sophie. Even if those thieving brothers edited the original work...they tell on themselves. They "dropped" their incomplete selves here like the sickly looking character who came down to stop the terminator.


Still waiting on YOU Brother A007
Hey btw..are you saying you are an Agent:?:...... A 007:?:


M.E.
:hearts2:





Abena,

That is fine. I am okay with that. Just simply answered your inquiry!

i no understand why this question is at all important. who cares? just stop racism.

if a cat whupping my butte i don't really care why, i just tryin to get my hand on my gun so i can resolve the issue.

somebody hit me up wit why this is important please.

First, let me explain WHY it is important to find the origin of racism.

It is important to know where it comes from because we continue to follow INSANE roads of trying to rid ourselves of this plague that seems to consume most of us either directly/indirectly aware or unaware. We have tried to fight it in all types of ways that DON'T WORK since it's inception yet HERE WE ARE... still in the same system that has oppressed us for centuries.

Second, let me say that I am COMPLETELY aware that my theory is just that A THEORY... and that I KNOW that I don't have all of the answers. But, I have given this particular subject A LOT of thought.

The origin of racism is the same as the origin of ALL EVIL. The origin is IGNORANCE. In EVERY single case of racism the perpetuator of the problem either didn't know something or THOUGHT he/she knew something that was a lie.

For the record, Racism is not relegated to the white - black dynamic. Japanese have done it to their own. (resulting in the extinction of the samuri) Whites have done it to their own (Hitler trying to exterminate white jews). We have done it to our own (Hutu vs.Tootsi) to just name a few.

Anyway, the ignorance manifests itself in the selfishness that we all share as humans. This selfishness becomes greed, the greed becomes paranoiya, the paranoiya breeds fear, the fear becomes hate and finally the hate becomes a SYSTEM to protect all the things we have obtained as a result of the greed. As it pertains to America, it is a LIE that became the truth because it was told so loudly for so long. The founders of the lie died and took the truth with them (as far as the racists are concerned). The racists now have NO IDEA(ignorance) that it was started as a way to keep slaves IGNORANT to the power they possesed. The have NO IDEA that this is ALL ABOUT ECONOMICS AND CONTROL. They ACTUALLY believe we are harming the world.

So, the question is (and I don't have an answer yet) how do we combat the ignorance?

the question is (and I don't have an answer yet) how do we combat the ignorance?

you combat the ignorance of black people by reading the metu neter.

First, let me explain WHY it is important to find the origin of racism.

It is important to know where it comes from because we continue to follow INSANE roads of trying to rid ourselves of this plague that seems to consume most of us either directly/indirectly aware or unaware. We have tried to fight it in all types of ways that DON'T WORK since it's inception yet HERE WE ARE... still in the same system that has oppressed us for centuries.

Second, let me say that I am COMPLETELY aware that my theory is just that A THEORY... and that I KNOW that I don't have all of the answers. But, I have given this particular subject A LOT of thought.

The origin of racism is the same as the origin of ALL EVIL. The origin is IGNORANCE. In EVERY single case of racism the perpetuator of the problem either didn't know something or THOUGHT he/she knew something that was a lie.

For the record, Racism is not relegated to the white - black dynamic. Japanese have done it to their own. (resulting in the extinction of the samuri) Whites have done it to their own (Hitler trying to exterminate white jews). We have done it to our own (Hutu vs.Tootsi) to just name a few.

Anyway, the ignorance manifests itself in the selfishness that we all share as humans. This selfishness becomes greed, the greed becomes paranoiya, the paranoiya breeds fear, the fear becomes hate and finally the hate becomes a SYSTEM to protect all the things we have obtained as a result of the greed. As it pertains to America, it is a LIE that became the truth because it was told so loudly for so long. The founders of the lie died and took the truth with them (as far as the racists are concerned). The racists now have NO IDEA(ignorance) that it was started as a way to keep slaves IGNORANT to the power they possesed. The have NO IDEA that this is ALL ABOUT ECONOMICS AND CONTROL. They ACTUALLY believe we are harming the world.

So, the question is (and I don't have an answer yet) how do we combat the ignorance?





A007,

Thank you for sharing your theory of ignorance as the origin of racism. A safe play to home base. No one can argue that ignorance is not the so-called origin of racism. Knowledge is king. From what I have read here, all would agree, and are interested in finding the solution, quickly. My question to you centers around that solution. If ignorance is the cause of racism, and knowledge cancels all ignorance, where would you begin collecting such knowledge that would act as a panacea toward eliminating the perpetual ignorance of mankind?

Keep in mind, when I ask this question, I am well aware of your position: “So, the question is (and I don't have an answer yet) how do we combat the ignorance?”

Rather quickly, we have arrived at lets say, Edward Williams’ argument of proactive behavior. We, or most of us understand Williams’ position through his hammering home the message at every opportunity. In other words, we have been inundated with his view of counter racism. If Williams has a structured solution, and you do not have an answer yet, while at the same time, all of us are interested in finding a solution to offset racism, please explain to me why it is that there exists no unity among us to achieve the end result of creating that panacea.


This becomes a plea to us to become real men and women, drop the petty differences, grid up our loins, and get busy, as Williams would say, doing what we were created to do. Otherwise, this thread will become, as many of the rest, an archive. Frankly, a revolving dilemma!

I have made good my promise of not countering your theory, but, what I have done is to challenge all reading these words to break out of egos, competition, break out of tradition, of being typical, and act reasonably and responsibly in a manner of common purpose and common effort, or love.

Finally, if knowledge is king, then nothing can be omitted or downplayed in this significant process in front us, as you say.

what ever it is the origin of racism is certainly not ignorance.
those who practice racism are certainly aware of what they are doing.
ignorance can be excused. it can be remedied. what we are dealing with is pure evil.

the origin of evil is the devil.

A007,

Thank you for sharing your theory of ignorance as the origin of racism. A safe play to home base. No one can argue that ignorance is not the so-called origin of racism. Knowledge is king. From what I have read here, all would agree, and are interested in finding the solution, quickly. My question to you centers around that solution. If ignorance is the cause of racism, and knowledge cancels all ignorance, where would you begin collecting such knowledge that would act as a panacea toward eliminating the perpetual ignorance of mankind?

Keep in mind, when I ask this question, I am well aware of your position: “So, the question is (and I don't have an answer yet) how do we combat the ignorance?”

Rather quickly, we have arrived at lets say, Edward Williams’ argument of proactive behavior. We, or most of us understand Williams’ position through his hammering home the message at every opportunity. In other words, we have been inundated with his view of counter racism. If Williams has a structured solution, and you do not have an answer yet, while at the same time, all of us are interested in finding a solution to offset racism, please explain to me why it is that there exists no unity among us to achieve the end result of creating that panacea.

The reason there is no unity is because had not agreed on what the ORIGIN was and we can not agree on what the course of action should be. The reason that the non-violent movement of the civil rights era worked is because a SIGNIFICANT (not all) amount of us agreed on a course of action. Now, it seems that the various religions, educations, egos, and ignorance get in the way.

This becomes a plea to us to become real men and women, drop the petty differences, grid up our loins, and get busy, as Williams would say, doing what we were created to do. Otherwise, this thread will become, as many of the rest, an archive. Frankly, a revolving dilemma!

I have made good my promise of not countering your theory, but, what I have done is to challenge all reading these words to break out of egos, competition, break out of tradition, of being typical, and act reasonably and responsibly in a manner of common purpose and common effort, or love.

Finally, if knowledge is king, then nothing can be omitted or downplayed in this significant process in front us, as you say.



I am willing to drop ALL tradition and ego in order to come to a workable solution. This means, as Malcom said, leaving our religions and differences AT HOME. Are people going to be able to do that for a benefit of the greater good?

:qqb009:williams has read the metu neter....

what ever it is the origin of racism is certainly not ignorance.
those who practice racism are certainly aware of what they are doing.
ignorance can be excused. it can be remedied. what we are dealing with is pure evil.

the origin of evil is the devil.

See, that is exactly why we can not unify and combat this as a unit. For those of us whom are LOGICAL there is no devil.

I have two young white women who work for me. They honestly believed because they are attracted to black men that they are not racists. They have NO IDEA that they are racist. The ignorance is so deep that I had one in tears when I pointed out EXACTLY how she was IN FACT A RACIST.

However, we can agree to disagree on the devil and on the ignorance of those who practice racism and STILL AGREE on a course of action that will minimize the effects of racism.

See, that is exactly why we can not unify and combat this as a unit. For those of us whom are LOGICAL there is no devil.

I have two young white women who work for me. They honestly believed because they are attracted to black men that they are not racists. They have NO IDEA that they are racist. The ignorance is so deep that I had one in tears when I pointed out EXACTLY how she was IN FACT A RACIST.

You can take the word of white people who mistreat people on the basis of color or you can follow THE LOGIC (http://www.counter-racism.com/cgi-bin/work-study/viewtopic.php?t=926).

Many people cry when they have been confronted with the deception they have been practicing. And can make you beLIEve that they never knew what they were doing and what the result of what they were doing would be.

However, we can agree to disagree on the devil and on the ignorance of those who practice racism and STILL AGREE on a course of action that will minimize the effects of racism.

No course of action will accomplish its goal objective of replacing the SYSTEM of racism (white supremacy) with a SYSTEM of justice without tying any course of action to do so back to how the white people who practice racism (white supremacy) are doing so in all areas of people activity including Economics, Education, Entertainment, Labor, Law, Politics, Religion, Sex and War.

Three things must be closely examined:

1) How the white people who practice racism (white supremacy) do what they do in all areas of people activity including Economics, Education, Entertainment, Labor, Law, Politics, Religion, Sex and War.
2) What the effect is on non-white people in all areas of people activity including Economics, Education, Entertainment, Labor, Law, Politics, Religion, Sex and War.
3) What non-white people must do to replace the SYSTEM of racism (white supremacy) with a SYSTEM of justice in all areas of people activity including Economics, Education, Entertainment, Labor, Law, Politics, Religion, Sex and War.

Since we are in agreement to cease the ignorance discussion and also cease the devil discussion let's just pick an area of people activity and go through what THEY do, the effect it has on US, and what WE must do to replace the SYSTEM of racism (white supremacy) with a SYSTEM of justice. Let's stop posting to this thread and open 9 other threads, one for each area of people activity, and post and discuss numbers 1 through 3 for all of the problems that we can come up with that non-white people have that can be solved...solving of course the major problem of people being mistreated on the basis of color before, or in the process of, solving all other problems.

I have found that for a lot of the problems we will have to work backward because we don't know all of the things the white people who practice racism (white supremacy) are doing against us. That's OK though. Let's start today...even if it is just the four of us...A007, Mr. Coger, jamesfrmphilly and myself. Others will join in as we get this plane off the ground. But first we gotta get it airborne.

We can start with just one thread for one area of people activity. Let's make it simple and take baby steps.

All aboard?

You can take the word of white people who mistreat people on the basis of color or you can follow THE LOGIC (http://www.counter-racism.com/cgi-bin/work-study/viewtopic.php?t=926).

Many people cry when they have been confronted with the deception they have been practicing. And can make you beLIEve that they never knew what they were doing and what the result of what they were doing would be.


I am positive she had no idea she was racist. It is the same as chistians, muslims, jews, or any other people who have been indoctrinated. They HONESTLY believe they have truth!! It is not until they are presented with indisputable information that they HAVE TO choose to either DISREGARD TRUTH or CHANGE what they believe. Fifty percent of the people will choose to hold on to what they believe IN SPITE of facts to the contrary.


No course of action will accomplish its goal objective of replacing the SYSTEM of racism (white supremacy) with a SYSTEM of justice without tying any course of action to do so back to how the white people who practice racism (white supremacy) are doing so in all areas of people activity including Economics, Education, Entertainment, Labor, Law, Politics, Religion, Sex and War.


This has already been determined. This has already been fought. The problem is...attacking the problem this way is like treating the individual symptoms of the flu. As soon as the cough gets better the nose gets worse. The flu VIRUS has to be attacked. The RACISM VIRUS must be attacked.

In fact EVERY SYMPTOM THAT YOU NAMED is only the fruit from the ECONOMICS tree. "Permit me to issue and control the money of the nation and I care not who makes its laws." — Mayer Amsched Rothchild, a prominent European banker in the eighteenth century He is basically saying that in a capitalistic society EVERYTHING is for a sale up to and including Education, Entertainment, Labor, Law, Politics, Religion, Sex and War.

Let me say that I am absolutely 100 percent in agreement that we need to solve the economic problems in order to make great strides in our communities. But, this will do little to combat actual racism. In this world as it stands either you are a rich N---- or a poor N---- but you still a N----. The only way to combat that IMO is through the eradication of ignorance as it pertains to this thought process.

I am positive she had no idea she was racist. It is the same as chistians, muslims, jews, or any other people who have been indoctrinated. They HONESTLY believe they have truth!! It is not until they are presented with indisputable information that they HAVE TO choose to either DISREGARD TRUTH or CHANGE what they believe. Fifty percent of the people will choose to hold on to what they believe IN SPITE of facts to the contrary.




This has already been determined. This has already been fought. The problem is...attacking the problem this way is like treating the individual symptoms of the flu. As soon as the cough gets better the nose gets worse. The flu VIRUS has to be attacked. The RACISM VIRUS must be attacked.

In fact EVERY SYMPTOM THAT YOU NAMED is only the fruit from the ECONOMICS tree. "Permit me to issue and control the money of the nation and I care not who makes its laws." — Mayer Amsched Rothchild, a prominent European banker in the eighteenth century He is basically saying that in a capitalistic society EVERYTHING is for a sale up to and including Education, Entertainment, Labor, Law, Politics, Religion, Sex and War.

Let me say that I am absolutely 100 percent in agreement that we need to solve the economic problems in order to make great strides in our communities. But, this will do little to combat actual racism. In this world as it stands either you are a rich N---- or a poor N---- but you still a N----. The only way to combat that IMO is through the eradication of ignorance as it pertains to this thought process.

Thank you.

See, that is exactly why we can not unify and combat this as a unit. For those of us whom are LOGICAL there is no devil.

I have two young white women who work for me. They honestly believed because they are attracted to black men that they are not racists. They have NO IDEA that they are racist. The ignorance is so deep that I had one in tears when I pointed out EXACTLY how she was IN FACT A RACIST.

However, we can agree to disagree on the devil and on the ignorance of those who practice racism and STILL AGREE on a course of action that will minimize the effects of racism.





A007,

This post was selected as my response post because it identifies the main problem. But first, I must say, thanks to you all for taking the call to arms, and the willingness to break-away from our tradition.

This first "baby step" is most impressive. Edward has place on the table an excellent beginning point, and I will pledge to do my best in assisting this joint venture. It is almost necessary, I feel, to caution Brother jamesfrmphilly, a true battle ax, to allow this process to, at least begin, unhindered. And James, I say this not to single you out, of course, but to somewhat ad temperance to the fight and fire you possess, which is a good thing.

A007, your willingness to concede and move forward, somewhat, is exemplary and shows great intentions. As I slept on this Edward, I thought of a day for us in chat, (if Destee will permit) which would strike a new beginning and allow us to actually meet one another. This would be exclusive to the collective of: What is the Origin of Racism group. Considering this would help the small group, as you say, come together, and provide a working model, since others, I am sure, will be watching us.

Thank you all for your patience in allowng me to reply this slowly, but with all my heart.

For those of us whom are LOGICAL there is no devil.

the devil is the one who gives you hell. as you say there is no devil, i assume you have no one giving you hell.
good for you and god bless.

i say that the greatest trick the devil ever did was to make people think he did not exist.

Brother jamesfrmphilly, a true battle ax

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:qqb024:@#$%$^&




Explain.

Brother jamesfrmphilly, a true battle ax

:qqb024:@#$%$^&

Explain.

just being a battle axe.....

:qqb024:@#$%$^&



just being a battle axe.....




jamesfrmphilly,

My Brother, no one is better at one liners than you. You are, and please pardon me for what I am about to say, our Straight Talk Epress... Peace!

This is a classic example of how one of the ten stops, stop name-calling, helps to minimize confusion and conflict between non-white people. Even if there is no intention to harm each other the focus of the conversation was lost. For us, that is the beginning of the end and you can see it in other threads as well.

Instead of focusing on the content of starting the thread and everyone agreeing or disagreeing to do so or not to do so, we went from talking about the devil yet again...to name-calling (battle axe) to a reaction to name-calling to a request to explain the reaction to name-calling to a non-explanation of the reaction of being name-called to an opening of discussion on "one-liners"...and guess what...we still got the problem.

This is what I mean by Circular Thought...going from problem perception, away from problem resolution, down a diversionary path and back to problem perception. Even when we think we're doing something we ain't doing nothing to work against the smartest and most powerful white people.

This will be my last post on Destee.com. The interaction has been a learning experience. Thank you.

This will be my last post on Destee.com..
sorry to hear that.

sorry to hear that.





jamesfrmphilly,

My sentiments exactly. I purposely waited for A007's return to the thread so that we could assess what to do in carrying-on. Hopefully, A007 will return in the morning and advise us of how he feels about continuing. Again, thanks for accepting my friendship request, and without being funny, your last post is the perfect example of the one-liner, Straight Talk Express, exactly what we need more of, straight talk.


A007,

jamesfrmphilly and I have become friends, and it appears we have lost Edward, but not his ideals, at least for the moment. Please advise how we should continue after catching up on all posts. Our job, to include any other willing participants, continues to focus on grinding out the solution to the ignorance issue. In my last post, I made a suggestion, please comment on acceptance, or with any counter proposals, etc...Peace my friend!

A007,

This post was selected as my response post because it identifies the main problem. But first, I must say, thanks to you all for taking the call to arms, and the willingness to break-away from our tradition.

This first "baby step" is most impressive. Edward has place on the table an excellent beginning point, and I will pledge to do my best in assisting this joint venture. It is almost necessary, I feel, to caution Brother jamesfrmphilly, a true battle ax, to allow this process to, at least begin, unhindered. And James, I say this not to single you out, of course, but to somewhat ad temperance to the fight and fire you possess, which is a good thing.

A007, your willingness to concede and move forward, somewhat, is exemplary and shows great intentions. As I slept on this Edward, I thought of a day for us in chat, (if Destee will permit) which would strike a new beginning and allow us to actually meet one another. This would be exclusive to the collective of: What is the Origin of Racism group. Considering this would help the small group, as you say, come together, and provide a working model, since others, I am sure, will be watching us.

Thank you all for your patience in allowng me to reply this slowly, but with all my heart.



Absolutely!! I would welcome any and all people who want to be a part of the solution.

I do, however, ask for any ideas on how to address this ignorance that plagues those who practice racism.

What is the next step?

Absolutely!! I would welcome any and all people who want to be a part of the solution.

I do, however, ask for any ideas on how to address this ignorance that plagues those who practice racism.

What is the next step?




A007,

Actually, the next step is for you to catch up on what you have missed. Nevertheless, great attitude, I look forward to it.

I do, however, ask for any ideas on how to address this ignorance that plagues those who practice racism.
people who practice racism are not ignorant, they are evil.
you do not address evil. you crush it.

people who practice racism are not ignorant, they are evil.
you do not address evil. you crush it.




jamesfrmphilly,

I take this to mean that you will not be part of the solution team.

from reading the posts I'm kinda stuck in the middle on this one.

First off, in a nutshell, I'd suggest "Racism" started when those who practice it arrived on the scene.

Although some might consider this speculation, I'd have to agree....I look at who has benefitted the most from racism more than anything.

It is important to know where it comes from because we continue to follow INSANE roads of trying to rid ourselves of this plague that seems to consume most of us either directly/indirectly aware or unaware. We have tried to fight it in all types of ways that DON'T WORK since it's inception yet HERE WE ARE... still in the same system that has oppressed us for centuries.



I agree with this also. Mainly, because of a text message convo I had with a friend of mine a few weeks back. He brought up the point of black people"blaming white people too much" for our current conditions, to which I had to disagree. My friend had the idea of learning from the mistakes committed by all of "our" mothers and fathers. By "our" he meant humanity in a nutshell, as if we're supposed to walk to the sun with one another holding hands singing "kumbaya," lol. The lack of understanding of who benefitted from racism the most never once crossed his mind, or otherwise he wouldn't have made such a statement. As far as I'm concerned the biggest mistake "our" people ever made was placing trust in others that didn't look like them.......................that's the mistake I choose to learn from.............


But this is a good discussion, keep it going, lol.......

from reading the posts I'm kinda stuck in the middle on this one.



Although some might consider this speculation, I'd have to agree....I look at who has benefitted the most from racism more than anything.



I agree with this also. Mainly, because of a text message convo I had with a friend of mine a few weeks back. He brought up the point of black people"blaming white people too much" for our current conditions, to which I had to disagree. My friend had the idea of learning from the mistakes committed by all of "our" mothers and fathers. By "our" he meant humanity in a nutshell, as if we're supposed to walk to the sun with one another holding hands singing "kumbaya," lol. The lack of understanding of who benefitted from racism the most never once crossed his mind, or otherwise he wouldn't have made such a statement. As far as I'm concerned the biggest mistake "our" people ever made was placing trust in others that didn't look like them.......................that's the mistake I choose to learn from.............


But this is a good discussion, keep it going, lol.......




Jahari Kavi,
:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

people who practice racism are not ignorant, they are evil.
you do not address evil. you crush it.

EVERY SINGLE CASE of evil is originated from IGNORANCE. And please don't give the "love of money" arguement again because the "love of money" has nothing to do with rape, child molestation, a mother drowning her children, domestic abuse, child abuse/neglect, charles manson, ed gain, jeoffry dalmer, ted bundy or MILLIONS of other acts of evil that have NOTHING to do with the love of money.

With that being said, I do realize that racism is the result of the money (but ignorance is the ORIGIN) However, I am POSITIVE that most racists HAVE NO IDEA that their racism stems from their ancestors lies BECAUSE OF MONEY.

EVERY SINGLE CASE of evil is originated from IGNORANCE
i think you are dead wrong and therefore doomed to failure

I took this from part of an old post I did a while back. Maybe this will clarify the issue a little.


Let us turn to "The Oxford Companion To The English Language" for a better definition of this word so that we have some clarity. Mind you, this is not the definition of black people, but of the highest authority of White people. It is as follows:

1. The word Racism is of European origin. French.

2. Although often presented as scientific, especially in the wake of Darwinism, such a theory serves to buttress the assumption that one's own race is superior to all others. It may follow from this that one's own race therefore has, among other things, the right to control (and, when deemed necessary, enslave and even exterminate) people of races that are taken to be inferior or undesirable. It was used to justify European expansion and taken to extremes by the Nazis during world war two and continues to underpin the concept of white supremacy.

Okay, time for class to begin ! Based upon their own definition, no black person can be a racist. Based upon the definition,which is theirs, it is a system of control. Therefore racisim is a system of white people, by white people, that is used to control, enslave, and exterminate anyone not classified as white.

The key words to understand is that it's a system of control. What do black people control ? We don't control our education, they do. We don't control the economics of this country, they do. We don't control the health care, the entertainment industry, the produce, the laws, the religions, the banking system or anything else as it relates to anyone...including ourselves. We know who controls all of this, and based upon their own definition of their own word, the only racist in the world are white people !!!

The only thing that black people can be is prejudice, because we clearly do not have the system, the control or the power to be racist. How we may ask does this affect anyone on a personal level ? Well lets face it, if you don't like someone because they are white, it means absolutely nothing at all.

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I took this from part of an old post I did a while back. Maybe this will clarify the issue a little.


Let us turn to "The Oxford Companion To The English Language" for a better definition of this word so that we have some clarity. Mind you, this is not the definition of black people, but of the highest authority of White people. It is as follows:

1. The word Racism is of European origin. French.

2. Although often presented as scientific, especially in the wake of Darwinism, such a theory serves to buttress the assumption that one's own race is superior to all others. It may follow from this that one's own race therefore has, among other things, the right to control (and, when deemed necessary, enslave and even exterminate) people of races that are taken to be inferior or undesirable. It was used to justify European expansion and taken to extremes by the Nazis during world war two and continues to underpin the concept of white supremacy.

Okay, time for class to begin ! Based upon their own definition, no black person can be a racist. Based upon the definition,which is theirs, it is a system of control. Therefore racisim is a system of white people, by white people, that is used to control, enslave, and exterminate anyone not classified as white.

The key words to understand is that it's a system of control. What do black people control ? We don't control our education, they do. We don't control the economics of this country, they do. We don't control the health care, the entertainment industry, the produce, the laws, the religions, the banking system or anything else as it relates to anyone...including ourselves. We know who controls all of this, and based upon their own definition of their own word, the only racist in the world are white people !!!

The only thing that black people can be is prejudice, because we clearly do not have the system, the control or the power to be racist. How we may ask does this affect anyone on a personal level ? Well lets face it, if you don't like someone because they are white, it means absolutely nothing at all.

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Keita,

Greetings, and it is good to see you back and posting again. Unarguably, what you have submitted is key. A strategic building block toward developing a solution. Hopefully, you have digested the entire thread, if so, you understand its challenge in attempting to break-away from traditional thread archives, resulting in dead-lock incessant discussion (back and forth).

If it is that you have not captured the intent of the entire thread, we can only hope that you will, and come to understand, the thread starter’s (A007) real intent of prophecy and persuasion, by joining us in the endeavor. By way of recent activity, we understand it will not be easy, and that the road will be muddy and ruff, but we are going to try, nonetheless! And if this is something you do not wish to participate in, that is understandable also, however, know that this definition will be used as a building block, unless you object.

i think you are dead wrong and therefore doomed to failure




jamesfrmphilly,

I guess this answers my question to you in my last post, or does it?

I guess this answers my question to you in my last post, or does it?
:qqb009:no, i will not be a part of the team.

while many racists are ignorant, racism itself is not based on or founded by ignorance. it is based in evil.
evil is not based on ignorance. evil people know exactly what they are doing and chose to do it anyway.

you have to look at the difference between ignorance and brainwashing. brainwashed people are not ignorant, they are mind controlled.

:qqb009:no, i will not be a part of the team.

while many racists are ignorant, racism itself is not based on or founded by ignorance. it is based in evil.
evil is not based on ignorance. evil people know exactly what they are doing and chose to do it anyway.

you have to look at the difference between ignorance and brainwashing. brainwashed people are not ignorant, they are mind controlled.




I hear you james. Thanks for the repy.

This is a classic example of how one of the ten stops, stop name-calling, helps to minimize confusion and conflict between non-white people. Even if there is no intention to harm each other the focus of the conversation was lost. For us, that is the beginning of the end and you can see it in other threads as well.

Instead of focusing on the content of starting the thread and everyone agreeing or disagreeing to do so or not to do so, we went from talking about the devil yet again...to name-calling (battle axe) to a reaction to name-calling to a request to explain the reaction to name-calling to a non-explanation of the reaction of being name-called to an opening of discussion on "one-liners"...and guess what...we still got the problem.

This is what I mean by Circular Thought...going from problem perception, away from problem resolution, down a diversionary path and back to problem perception. Even when we think we're doing something we ain't doing nothing to work against the smartest and most powerful white people.

This will be my last post on Destee.com. The interaction has been a learning experience. Thank you.



:SuN021:

Brother Williams, when you create ripples on the surface of a placid body of water the effects are exponential, and the impact extends beyond the point of contact.
You have made a tremendous contribution, in my somewhat biased opinion. As an avid researcher of The UICCSC I have been able to utilize the logic to enervate if not enrage some of the staid selected black so called leadership in this area. It is my hope that they will move beyond the anger that I sense and join me in my imperfect quest to replace racism with justice, and to develop an effective strategy against white supremacist behavior that in our ignorance we are often supporting.
I wear a few hats and we have actually dialogued even before you reached out to Destee. I am sure that we will 'speak' again...here! Your message is valuable and your focus is laser like, it has been my pleasure Brother Edward!

....You can lead a horse to water,... or you may be the horse...!

Peace!

:SuN021:

Brother Williams, when you create ripples on the surface of a placid body of water the effects are exponential, and the impact extends beyond the point of contact.
You have made a tremendous contribution, in my somewhat biased opinion. As an avid researcher of The UICCSC I have been able to utilize the logic to enervate if not enrage some of the staid selected black so called leadership in this area. It is my hope that they will move beyond the anger that I sense and join me in my imperfect quest to replace racism with justice, and to develop an effective strategy against white supremacist behavior that in our ignorance we are often supporting.
I wear a few hats and we have actually dialogued even before you reached out to Destee. I am sure that we will 'speak' again...here! Your message is valuable and your focus is laser like, it has been my pleasure Brother Edward!

....You can lead a horse to water,... or you may be the horse...!

Peace!


I have a question here. Not to start any dissension but a few things are troubling me and have been for months/years.

What I am getting from this "system" some of you speak of are definitions/labels such as "non-white people"...."victims"...."so-called black people".......then "white people".

How then are WE to identify as a group when the rest of the world identifies as some type of cultural/ethnic GROUP or "Nationality".

On a cultural level what is "so-called black CULTURE" on "non-white people CULTURE"?

It seems to me that the actual ORIGIN of racism is the denial/rejection of SELF and the "racial divisions" which occured as various groups migrated into Kemt/Nile Valley civilization. I also think that there are more than enough artifacts/paintings which prove this.

Peace

i think you are dead wrong and therefore doomed to failure

Just because you think it does not make it so. If you were able to articulate a logical reason for believing that I am wrong then MAYBE we could discuss that in order that we may figure out who is in fact "wrong".

What's more, I have STUDIED my theory for more than six years now, so a flippant remark without any foundation does little more than make me chuckle. But, thanks for your response nonetheless.

I will conclude by asking you the same question I have asked hundreds of people without ONE SINGLE CORRECT RESPONSE....

Can you give me ONE example act of evil that does not have ignorance as the origin???

Before you try.... let me tell you that you can't. EVERY example will be because the perpetuator didn't know something !

Just because you think it does not make it so. If you were able to articulate a logical reason for believing that I am wrong then MAYBE we could discuss that in order that we may figure out who is in fact "wrong".

What's more, I have STUDIED my theory for more than six years now, so a flippant remark without any foundation does little more than make me chuckle. But, thanks for your response nonetheless.

I will conclude by asking you the same question I have asked hundreds of people without ONE SINGLE CORRECT RESPONSE....

Can you give me ONE example act of evil that does not have ignorance as the origin???

Before you try.... let me tell you that you can't. EVERY example will be because the perpetuator didn't know something !




A007,

Without question, you have a valid point, and so does james, however, the back and forth, is not where we are now. As thread starter, this has to be managed, and I am waiting on you. If you think we should talk, that is fine with me. Otherwise, I am uncertain whether or not you are familiar with the impact this can have, and has had. What say you!

I have a question here. Not to start any dissension but a few things are troubling me and have been for months/years.

What I am getting from this "system" some of you speak of are definitions/labels such as "non-white people"...."victims"...."so-called black people".......then "white people".

How then are WE to identify as a group when the rest of the world identifies as some type of cultural/ethnic GROUP or "Nationality".

On a cultural level what is "so-called black CULTURE" on "non-white people CULTURE"?

It seems to me that the actual ORIGIN of racism is the denial/rejection of SELF and the "racial divisions" which occured as various groups migrated into Kemt/Nile Valley civilization. I also think that there are more than enough artifacts/paintings which prove this.

Peace

How are you Brother O, it has been a while for me here, and it is wonderful to 'hear' you and know you are still in the fight.
In the course of my studies or my work to beat back personal ignorance, I cannot give you a date certain for the start of racism, warfare between my people extends back before the Papal Bull Decree which created the Line of Demarcation, which as you know divided the known earth at the behest of white supremacist europeans; so to be honest, I won't even attempt that.

You may be correct in your surmisal, it has been many years since I absorbed the work of Chancelor Williams, or G.G.M. James, and in those works I recall references that alluded to racist/ethnocentric/ or micro-nationalist collusion, and cultural thievery.
I filled myself with the works of many thinkers from our shared past some considered great, others not so, and I can say unequivically that none of that material empowered me with a plan. They provided a wonderful platform for my emerging conciousness but, all that did was enliven my speaking ability and style, none of it addressed a solution to the problem that we are discussing.
Until I read some years ago Mr. Fullers work, I was a cultural warrior, I am now realigning my thinikng to push counter-racist logic. It is in my estimation my battering ram against the shield of the white supremacist. It works for me personally!
I told you some time back that a dear friend and comrade once challenged my micro-nationalist stance using terminology gathered from Kwame Ture and the AAPRP. Mr Fuller has suggested that we can make headway if we recognize in our blackness, the shared condition of suffering, and see clearly that no matter the non-white group, they are all in the same position when measured against the white supremacist.
I agree also with Mr. Fullers assertion that the creation of legions of cultural and ethnic categories is the muscle, the fuel so to speak that feeds the evil that is racism.
When the white supremacist are united against me/us they benefit from our inability to unite in return. As long as we are Haitian, Jamiacan, Trinidadian, Black American, Chinese, Vietnamese, Mexican, Dominican, Puerto Rican, Cuban, Angolan, Nigerian, Ethiopian, Egyptian/Kemetian...and on and on, we empower the racist with the fractured nature of our existence. We can continue in this fashion or we can try something new. Brother Edwards was that voice. I cannot tell you whether it will work, but Nkrumah, Malcolm, Marcus, MLK, Nasser, Biko, Mugabe, Mbeki, Selassie,Dubois, Douglas, Mumia, and on and on, have come up against it and IT is still standing. Knowing of you only through the responses I have read here, I trust you know that I truly respect the vastness of your knowledge. Yet, you may agree that the solution to our condition is still beyond our reach, why we would or should we discount the effectiness of counter-racist strategy before coming together in monolithic implementation. Peace Good Brother!

How are you Brother O, it has been a while for me here, and it is wonderful to 'hear' you and know you are still in the fight.
In the course of my studies or my work to beat back personal ignorance, I cannot give you a date certain for the start of racism, warfare between my people extends back before the Papal Bull Decree which created the Line of Demarcation, which as you know divided the known earth at the behest of white supremacist europeans; so to be honest, I won't even attempt that.

You may be correct in your surmisal, it has been many years since I absorbed the work of Chancelor Williams, or G.G.M. James, and in those works I recall references that alluded to racist/ethnocentric/ or micro-nationalist collusion, and cultural thievery.
I filled myself with the works of many thinkers from our shared past some considered great, others not so, and I can say unequivically that none of that material empowered me with a plan. They provided a wonderful platform for my emerging conciousness but, all that did was enliven my speaking ability and style, none of it addressed a solution to the problem that we are discussing.
Until I read some years ago Mr. Fullers work, I was a cultural warrior, I am now realigning my thinikng to push counter-racist logic. It is in my estimation my battering ram against the shield of the white supremacist. It works for me personally!
I told you some time back that a dear friend and comrade once challenged my micro-nationalist stance using terminology gathered from Kwame Ture and the AAPRP. Mr Fuller has suggested that we can make headway if we recognize in our blackness, the shared condition of suffering, and see clearly that no matter the non-white group, they are all in the same position when measured against the white supremacist.
I agree also with Mr. Fullers assertion that the creation of legions of cultural and ethnic categories is the muscle, the fuel so to speak that feeds the evil that is racism.
When the white supremacist are united against me/us they benefit from our inability to unite in return. As long as we are Haitian, Jamiacan, Trinidadian, Black American, Chinese, Vietnamese, Mexican, Dominican, Puerto Rican, Cuban, Angolan, Nigerian, Ethiopian, Egyptian/Kemetian...and on and on, we empower the racist with the fractured nature of our existence. We can continue in this fashion or we can try something new. Brother Edwards was that voice. I cannot tell you whether it will work, but Nkrumah, Malcolm, Marcus, MLK, Nasser, Biko, Mugabe, Mbeki, Selassie,Dubois, Douglas, Mumia, and on and on, have come up against it and IT is still standing. Knowing of you only through the responses I have read here, I trust you know that I truly respect the vastness of your knowledge. Yet, you may agree that the solution to our condition is still beyond our reach, why we would or should we discount the effectiness of counter-racist strategy before coming together in monolithic implementation. Peace Good Brother!




Prizmm,

Greetings Brother Prizmm, if I may interject into this side-bar discussion between you and Brother O, the things you have stated are indeed true, and reasonable. The bigger point becomes this, we had the voice, Edward, and that voice left, rather abruptly. No one has commented on his abrupt departure, however. So, it is not as though we pushed him away. And we humbly await his return, if so.

As I stated to Keita, the entire thread should be digested to understand its intent, not an isolated incident, only. Should we stop due to the absence of Edward, should we wait for his return and do nothing (I don't think so), or should we go forward with his ideals, as I have written and pledged to do so in this thread.

What is missing here is the thread starter. I patiently await his involvement, Edwards' re-involvement, as well as your and any others input toward a solution, rather than an archived thread... And that is Peace to you my man.

Just because you think it does not make it so. If you were able to articulate a logical reason for believing that I am wrong then MAYBE we could discuss that in order that we may figure out who is in fact "wrong".

What's more, I have STUDIED my theory for more than six years now, so a flippant remark without any foundation does little more than make me chuckle. But, thanks for your response nonetheless.

I will conclude by asking you the same question I have asked hundreds of people without ONE SINGLE CORRECT RESPONSE....

Can you give me ONE example act of evil that does not have ignorance as the origin???

Before you try.... let me tell you that you can't. EVERY example will be because the perpetuator didn't know something !

it is not possible to "prove" anything to anyone who already has a point of view. i will not try.

although many evil people are also ignorant, the one does not cause the other. the conditions co exist.
what you may think is ignorance may actually be brainwashing and mind control.
that is another thing all together.

i happen to think that you are wrong.
only time will tell.

it is not possible to "prove" anything to anyone who already has a point of view. i will not try.

although many evil people are also ignorant, the one does not cause the other. the conditions co exist.
what you may think is ignorance may actually be brainwashing and mind control.
that is another thing all together.

i happen to think that you are wrong.
only time will tell.


I didn't ask you to "prove" anything. I asked you "Can you give me ONE example act of evil that does not have ignorance as the origin???"

Well....??

It is IMPOSSIBLE to brainwash or control the mind of someone who KNOWS that this is what you are attempting to do. This means that a person HAS TO BE IGNORANT in order to be brainwashed or indoctrinated. The fact that they were ignorant is what ultimately leads to the evil. This the same with EVERY case of evil. They were IGNORANT first...and everything else developed as a RESULT OF THE IGNORANCE.

If this is NOT the case, I will welcome just ONE example.

A007,

Without question, you have a valid point, and so does james, however, the back and forth, is not where we are now. As thread starter, this has to be managed, and I am waiting on you. If you think we should talk, that is fine with me. Otherwise, I am uncertain whether or not you are familiar with the impact this can have, and has had. What say you!




Of course we should talk. I apologize for the back and forth with James. The reason I do this and have done this with you , Music, James, and a few others is because people make determinations and have beliefs without having REALLY thought them through and CHALLENGE what they believe with logic and/or facts. The problem is...when we do this...we become just as dangerous as the racists. When we believe something that is not true (which is all that racists do) then we set ourselves up for failure. IMO we have to put our egos aside for the sake of what is logical and true (when a truth can be determined). I challenge people with questions because that is the best way to get them to realize that what they thought before had not be really thought through or challenged.


Anyway, If we can all agree that our religions, preconceived notions and vendettas can be left at home I think we can come together and make a difference.

Of course we should talk. I apologize for the back and forth with James. The reason I do this and have done this with you , Music, James, and a few others is because people make determinations and have beliefs without having REALLY thought them through and CHALLENGE what they believe with logic and/or facts. The problem is...when we do this...we become just as dangerous as the racists. When we believe something that is not true (which is all that racists do) then we set ourselves up for failure. IMO we have to put our egos aside for the sake of what is logical and true (when a truth can be determined). I challenge people with questions because that is the best way to get them to realize that what they thought before had not be really thought through or challenged.


Anyway, If we can all agree that our religions, preconceived notions and vendettas can be left at home I think we can come together and make a difference.



A007,

Well...thank you for this reply! I am certainly all to familiar with the problems, and anxiously moving toward becoming part of the solution. james has clearly said, he will not be on the team. Even Edward said, when he was hear, our kick-off group will probably be small, and others will perhaps follow, once we get started (Obama had to win white support before we decided to give him our support, and that is understandable).

The problem is as always, getting starting! As the thread starter, it is your baby, I will assist you in every way possible, as previously shared with you. It is a great undertaking, and I am glad to be with you, and a part of this thing.

I didn't ask you to "prove" anything. I asked you "Can you give me ONE example act of evil that does not have ignorance as the origin???"

Well....??

It is IMPOSSIBLE to brainwash or control the mind of someone who KNOWS that this is what you are attempting to do. This means that a person HAS TO BE IGNORANT in order to be brainwashed or indoctrinated. The fact that they were ignorant is what ultimately leads to the evil. This the same with EVERY case of evil. They were IGNORANT first...and everything else developed as a RESULT OF THE IGNORANCE.

If this is NOT the case, I will welcome just ONE example.

i do not think that you know how brainwashing works.
you are so firm in your position that you are not open minded.
rather than deal with this i will agree to dis agree.
you do you.

i do not think that you know how brainwashing works. you are so firm in your position that you are not open mined.
rather than deal with this i will agree to dis agree. you do you.

Funny that is exactly what the last brainwashed person said to me...lol.

Agreeing to disagree is one of the most detrimental things to our cause. People hate being wrong...so they will just not pursue truth. That is killing us.

I asked a simple question. You can not answer it...so rather than saying you don't know you say let's agree to disagree. How is that helping us?

A007,

Well...thank you for this reply! I am certainly all to familiar with the problems, and anxiously moving toward becoming part of the solution. james has clearly said, he will not be on the team. Even Edward said, when he was hear, our kick-off group will probably be small, and others will perhaps follow, once we get started (Obama had to win white support before we decided to give him our support, and that is understandable).

The problem is as always, getting starting! As the thread starter, it is your baby, I will assist you in every way possible, as previously shared with you. It is a great undertaking, and I am glad to be with you, and a part of this thing.



Clyde,

Do you think we should start another thread that is a invitation rather than a question?

Clyde,

Do you think we should start another thread that is a invitation rather than a question?




A007,

Not really, most are aware of this thread. Lets give it a little time. Direct solicitations have been offered, already. Especially to those who have already posted. Sorry about the delay, out taking care of some business!

I see racism in this era of time as having its roots in white supremecy. And the roots and tactics of it lie in sorcery of words and willie lynchism. When you call someone white you invoke the meaning of the word white on them....

White: free from spot or blemish innocent and pure...etc

And when you call someone black it invokes the obvious opposites. It is a true and exact science the sorcery of words and invocation of them that the proprietors of white supremecy have implemented in this society. It is their words we speak......

I see racism in this era of time as having its roots in white supremecy. And the roots and tactics of it lie in sorcery of words and willie lynchism. When you call someone white you invoke the meaning of the word white on them....

White: free from spot or blemish innocent and pure...etc

And when you call someone black it invokes the obvious opposites. It is a true and exact science the sorcery of words and invocation of them that the proprietors of white supremecy have implemented in this society. It is their words we speak......





ang-EL,

I see you point, and it makes sense. The words we use, or need to change our usage of is part of the problem. Would you like to become part of a team that this thread is putting together to hammer out a way in which our people can overcome these attitudes? If so, post that intent to A007, the thread starter.

I see racism in this era of time as having its roots in white supremecy. And the roots and tactics of it lie in sorcery of words and willie lynchism. When you call someone white you invoke the meaning of the word white on them....

White: free from spot or blemish innocent and pure...etc

And when you call someone black it invokes the obvious opposites. It is a true and exact science the sorcery of words and invocation of them that the proprietors of white supremecy have implemented in this society. It is their words we speak......

Words are only the power that we give them. Case in point ...N----- is not even a word. They made it up and used it in such an ugly manner that we now feel like it is ugly. If we make a word up..."glably" and use it as a weapon against white for 400 years it will have a negative connotation and eventually be politically incorrect to use.

If racism had it's root in white supremecy then Hutu would do what they do to the Tootsies. Hindus would not fight Buddhists...etc. The evil transcends color lines. If we got rid of all white people...at some point we would find other ways to oppress ourselves...unless we fight the ignorance of it all.

If you would read carefully you would see that I said "in this era of time"....And it is not the people we need to get rid of it is the names we use for them.

Clyde, Do you think we should start another thread that is a invitation rather than a question?





A007,

Here is the plan! We must begin to managed this thread through solicitation only. No more back and forth discussion, please. Once Edward is replaced, or he returns ( that gives us 3 people) we will begin the formulation of strategies toward confronting the ignorance issue, which will be posted back to this thread, showing growth and progression. But please no more back and forth on the question, we have decided to go forward on the ignorance issue.

Here is why! In review of this last exchange between you and ang-EL, my solicitation of ang-EL went is completely ignored (root form of ignorance/word play). At the end of the day, ang-EL has yet to answer. Example, ang-EL was clearly asked by me to contact you, didn’t happen, while you should have been aware of the solicitation, but nowhere to be found. End result, zero. We only need one more person to begin the exploratory solution series.

Furthermore, You and ang-EL are not that far apart on the issues:

ang-EL: And it is not the people we need to get rid of it is the names we use for them.

A007: Words are only the power that we give them

A007: If racism had it's root in white supremacy then Hutu would do what they do to the Tootsies


ang-EL: If you would read carefully you would see that I said "in this era of time”

Above is clear back and forth, which gets us nowhere! On the other hand, below, I quickly agreed with ang-EL and solicited.

Clyde: ang-EL,

I see your point, and it makes sense. The words we use, or need to change our usage of is part of the problem. Would you like to become part of a team that this thread is putting together to hammer out a way in which our people can overcome these attitudes? If so, post that intent to A007, the thread starter.



Now, this is precisely the kind of exchange that occurs daily. A person is completely overlooked, or not addressed, at all. The conversation becomes a side-bar, selfish dialogue of back and forth replies until someone so-call, wins, while black people lose. Again, to reiterate, A007 and ang-EL, why was my post not considered by either of you in the back and forth discussion highlighted above. Could it be we are not paying attention and reading all posts, or do we chose to ignore (cherry pick) the posts we desire. Since ignore is the root word for ignorance, what does that tell you? Enough is enough, lets move on with the solution.

Baby steps: One more poster, that is serious about becoming a part of the solution instead of continuing to be a part of the problem, is needed to replace Edward Williams. When that happens, A007, we will move forward into a consensus plan of action on the question: What is the Origin of Racism.

ang-EL,

I see you point, and it makes sense. The words we use, or need to change our usage of is part of the problem. Would you like to become part of a team that this thread is putting together to hammer out a way in which our people can overcome these attitudes? If so, post that intent to A007, the thread starter.



Please accept my most sincere apologies Clyde Coger. I hadnt read your post until just now. I enthusiastically accept your offer to assistin any way I can to help uplift fallen humanity.:horse:

A007,

Here is the plan! We must begin to managed this thread through solicitation only. No more back and forth discussion, please. Once Edward is replaced, or he returns ( that gives us 3 people) we will begin the formulation of strategies toward confronting the ignorance issue, which will be posted back to this thread, showing growth and progression. But please no more back and forth on the question, we have decided to go forward on the ignorance issue.

Here is why! In review of this last exchange between you and ang-EL, my solicitation of ang-EL went is completely ignored (root form of ignorance/word play). At the end of the day, ang-EL has yet to answer. Example, ang-EL was clearly asked by me to contact you, didn’t happen, while you should have been aware of the solicitation, but nowhere to be found. End result, zero. We only need one more person to begin the exploratory solution series.

Furthermore, You and ang-EL are not that far apart on the issues:

ang-EL: And it is not the people we need to get rid of it is the names we use for them.

A007: Words are only the power that we give them

A007: If racism had it's root in white supremacy then Hutu would do what they do to the Tootsies


ang-EL: If you would read carefully you would see that I said "in this era of time”

Above is clear back and forth, which gets us nowhere! On the other hand, below, I quickly agreed with ang-EL and solicited.

Clyde: ang-EL,

I see your point, and it makes sense. The words we use, or need to change our usage of is part of the problem. Would you like to become part of a team that this thread is putting together to hammer out a way in which our people can overcome these attitudes? If so, post that intent to A007, the thread starter.



Now, this is precisely the kind of exchange that occurs daily. A person is completely overlooked, or not addressed, at all. The conversation becomes a side-bar, selfish dialogue of back and forth replies until someone so-call, wins, while black people lose. Again, to reiterate, A007 and ang-EL, why was my post not considered by either of you in the back and forth discussion highlighted above. Could it be we are not paying attention and reading all posts, or do we chose to ignore (cherry pick) the posts we desire. Since ignore is the root word for ignorance, what does that tell you? Enough is enough, lets move on with the solution.

Baby steps: One more poster, that is serious about becoming a part of the solution instead of continuing to be a part of the problem, is needed to replace Edward Williams. When that happens, A007, we will move forward into a consensus plan of action on the question: What is the Origin of Racism.

AGREED.

Please accept my most sincere apologies Clyde Coger. I hadnt read your post until just now. I enthusiastically accept your offer to assist in any way I can to help uplift fallen humanity.:horse:




ang-EL,

Not a problem ang-EL, not a problem! We are on our way! There are some exciting things on my mind that I want to share with you, and others, that I think you will be in agreement with, as I am sure you feel the same. Lets figure out a way for us to talk. As suggested, this thread can archive the steps in our growth and progression.

ang-EL,

My most humble apologies for misdirecting my reply to A007, in lieu of yourself. Please re-read, if necessary. It is now my understang that three of us are coming together in pursuit of a solution to help our Black People answer racism. So, we really are on our way, thanks so much ang-EL. Beginning later today, we shall meet and figure out a way to verbally talk, first.

alright brother just keep me posted. I have some business to manage today so I will be in and out all day but I will respond asap.....Sooner than later.

I don't know why non-white people continue to search for the origin of racism (http://www.counter-racism.com/cgi-bin/work-study/viewtopic.php?p=17#17). How long have non-white people been trying to find out why white people practice racism (http://www.counter-racism.com/cgi-bin/work-study/viewtopic.php?p=17#17)?

We have to find out the origin of racism in order to form an effective solution.

Why do you keep bringing up only non-white people? They are not the only people to practice racism. Asians do it to other asians. Africans do it to other Africans. Whites do it to other whites. Indians do it to other Indians. The ignorance is universal.

But, for the purpose of this thread we will be addressing the racism that is used to keep African-Americans down.

alright brother just keep me posted. I have some business to manage today so I will be in and out all day but I will respond asap.....Sooner than later.




ang-EL,

Okay my Brother, take care of your business. It will all come together!

We have to find out the origin of racism in order to form an effective solution.

Why do you keep bringing up only non-white people? They are not the only people to practice racism. Asians do it to other asians. Africans do it to other Africans. Whites do it to other whites. Indians do it to other Indians. The ignorance is universal.

But, for the purpose of this thread we will be addressing the racism that is used to keep African-Americans down.





Exactly,A007.

so whats it gonna be?

so whats it gonna be?



ang-EL and A007,

Go to your profile page, I left a note there. here is my e-mail:
lurlenecoger@bellsouth.net
Lets exchange phone numbers so we can talk and exchange ideas rather rapidly. Do frequent your profile page for messages, and please check your e-mail for a request made.

A007,

If you check in today, go to your profile page, and check your e-mail!

A007,

Brother, we are waiting on you! ang-El and I have exchanged e-mail addresses, exchanged phone numbers, we have talked. All is well! And this resulting from him following the directions I left. Using your e-mail address, I forwarded my phone number, but have yet to receive back from you a response or a undelivered notification. Go to Your profile page and catch up, please...Peace!

Bump!

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Family,
Much, continued thanks for not posting here, in allowance for the Group! Tenatively, kick-off will be October 14, 2008. Thereafter, group findings will be tracked, posted, and edited (here). At that point, if comment is deemed necessary, please leave a brief and factual reply.

Bump for Abena!

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Thanks for the Bump Clyde!
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M.E.
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Thanks for the Bump Clyde!
:kiss::kiss:


M.E.
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You are welcome, sweetheart!

We have to find out the origin of racism in order to form an effective solution.

Why do you keep bringing up only non-white people? They are not the only people to practice racism. Asians do it to other asians. Africans do it to other Africans. Whites do it to other whites. Indians do it to other Indians. The ignorance is universal.

But, for the purpose of this thread we will be addressing the racism that is used to keep African-Americans down.

Here is the problem and one which needs serious clarity. I really am not a part of this chat thing because I have no doubt concerning "what I know and what I don't know but seek to know".

1. Racism does not find its roots in white supremacy, it is the other way around.

2. Racism and prejudice are two different things. Prejudice is simply to "pre-judge something or someone" and all people all over the globe are guilty of this in various degrees.

3. White Supremacy did not exist as a system of thought and behavior until after "racism" came into being.

4. Racism did not exist as a social thought or pattern of thinking until it was created by "Johann Friedrich Blumenbach" in 1775. It was he who divided mankind into five distinct races or groups and assigned character traits to each. Subsequently he placed the white race at the top and assigned superior qualities to them above the other races. Because he was an anthropologist it became to the white collective, "a scientific fact" that they were superior. From this thought process of being superior was born the concept of "white supremacy" which over time became a developed system.

5. What we see with the hutus and tooties in Rawanda could well be atrributed to white people. It was they who set up and cut boundary lines in Africa where the hutus and tooties lived peacefully. Then the white man came back in and changed the boundary lines and all chaos broke out...and we must bear in mind the psychological and social colonization that each group went through at the hands of white people that played its part as well.

6. The hindus and Buddist are killing each other not over race but philosophical differences...as are many other groups on the earth. The point is that it has nothing to do with "racism or white supremacy".

7. White people historically have never known peace time among themselves, so it does not and should not surprise anyone that they kill each other...and even then it was not because of race. It was because they had divided themselves into different clans with different philosophical thought processes that became cultural.

Now in terms of white supremacy? That is a world wide system born out of racism whereby the white race has been deemed superior to all other races. It became a system of control and genocide once their psuedo-science declared the other races as being inferior to theirs and once they acknowledged that they were indeed a minority on the earth subject to physical extinction should there be any harmony with their race and the darker races. Bottom line: "white people can only exist as long as white people mate with white people." It therefore serves their interest and survival as a race to keep chaos, confusion, hate, and anything else in the environment, the educational system, the media, the health care system, the entertainment system, the religious system and all systems that will keep their people divided from the rest of the human race.

Having said this and made it as clear as can be, if you don't understand this then there is really nothing more I can say. This don't take no rocket scientist to understand.

Here is the problem and one which needs serious clarity. I really am not a part of this chat thing because I have no doubt concerning "what I know and what I don't know but seek to know".

1. Racism does not find its roots in white supremacy, it is the other way around.

2. Racism and prejudice are two different things. Prejudice is simply to "pre-judge something or someone" and all people all over the globe are guilty of this in various degrees.

3. White Supremacy did not exist as a system of thought and behavior until after "racism" came into being.

4. Racism did not exist as a social thought or pattern of thinking until it was created by "Johann Friedrich Blumenbach" in 1775. It was he who divided mankind into five distinct races or groups and assigned character traits to each. Subsequently he placed the white race at the top and assigned superior qualities to them above the other races. Because he was an anthropologist it became to the white collective, "a scientific fact" that they were superior. From this thought process of being superior was born the concept of "white supremacy" which over time became a developed system.

5. What we see with the hutus and tooties in Rawanda could well be atrributed to white people. It was they who set up and cut boundary lines in Africa where the hutus and tooties lived peacefully. Then the white man came back in and changed the boundary lines and all chaos broke out...and we must bear in mind the psychological and social colonization that each group went through at the hands of white people that played its part as well.

6. The hindus and Buddist are killing each other not over race but philosophical differences...as are many other groups on the earth. The point is that it has nothing to do with "racism or white supremacy".

7. White people historically have never known peace time among themselves, so it does not and should not surprise anyone that they kill each other...and even then it was not because of race. It was because they had divided themselves into different clans with different philosophical thought processes that became cultural.

Now in terms of white supremacy? That is a world wide system born out of racism whereby the white race has been deemed superior to all other races. It became a system of control and genocide once their psuedo-science declared the other races as being inferior to theirs and once they acknowledged that they were indeed a minority on the earth subject to physical extinction should there be any harmony with their race and the darker races. Bottom line: "white people can only exist as long as white people mate with white people." It therefore serves their interest and survival as a race to keep chaos, confusion, hate, and anything else in the environment, the educational system, the media, the health care system, the entertainment system, the religious system and all systems that will keep their people divided from the rest of the human race.

Having said this and made it as clear as can be, if you don't understand this then there is really nothing more I can say. This don't take no rocket scientist to understand.




Keita,

And likewise, I am going to make myself as clear as I can! This will be the clarity you request. There isn't anything that you have said that I didn't know, and that is not a put down to you, in fact, it shows that we are on the same page.

So, the question becomes, why are we not, but please don't answer, because that is part of the problem, the key is for us, all of us, to finally, come together. The sole purpose of the Group is to reach, consensus.

Consensus is group think for the common good, not individual thought. Example, if you and I are discussing with only one other person, and we, that is to say, you and I keitha agree, then the third person must also, or make one hell of a point, circumventing us(you and I) being in agreement. And if that is possible, so be it! But if not, the consensus Stands.

This is what we lack. Agreement! We can argue, but we have to learn to agree! That is the challenge before us, no competition, just resolve, repeat, Resolve!

You have just place on the table, issues concerning the Origin of Racism. Others also have an opinion, this process is fail safe because, by its very nature, it flushes out the truth, or at least the truth of the moment, as is reflected by the Group. This gives us a starting point from which to climb to new heights, and finally reach our Ojective, agreed?

Lastly, I, more than anyone would like to have you on board, and have said this, repeatedly, yet, I received no response to my direct invite. Not a problem, ain't mad at ya, believe me! The door remains open to you, but keita, we are moving on with or without you!

In all due respect, I understand fully what you are saying and am in agreement with it. What we have are people who are suffering from myopia (a defect of vision) and in essence that alone will not allow them to recognize facts as they are presented that can not be refuted. Classic example: History records that a white guy named "Les Paul" invented the electric guitar. This is a fact that can not be disputed although a person with myopia would think differently or at least try to see it differently.

I have no problem with history when white people admit that they created racism. Who am I to call them a liar? They know what they did and when they did it. I have no problem when white people admit that they created "white supremacy". Again, who am I to call them a liar when they know what they did and when they did it? If we have black people here who refuse to believe the very white people who say what they did and when they did it, then the only people who have a problem are those black people who insist on calling the creators of those things a liar. That's like bumping my head up against a wall when there should be no wall at all. But if I am here i will be there.

Peace Out

In all due respect, I understand fully what you are saying and am in agreement with it. What we have are people who are suffering from myopia (a defect of vision) and in essence that alone will not allow them to recognize facts as they are presented that can not be refuted. Classic example: History records that a white guy named "Les Paul" invented the electric guitar. This is a fact that can not be disputed although a person with myopia would think differently or at least try to see it differently.

I have no problem with history when white people admit that they created racism. Who am I to call them a liar? They know what they did and when they did it. I have no problem when white people admit that they created "white supremacy". Again, who am I to call them a liar when they know what they did and when they did it? If we have black people here who refuse to believe the very white people who say what they did and when they did it, then the only people who have a problem are those black people who insist on calling the creators of those things a liar. That's like bumping my head up against a wall when there should be no wall at all. But if I am here i will be there.

Peace Out




keita,

OMG, it is good that we can now lay down the guns between us, and since I am talking directly to you, I need not explain myself to anyone else, nor will I. And if it is that you think it inappropriate, the use of my terminology, neither do I to you mince my words; for this gap between us has been a long and hard fought battle, I am certain, we both have bled, some.

It is now behind us, that long wide road we have traveled, author to author, precept upon precept, but now man to man, my Brother Man! Thank you for coming on board, I was not going to do it without you, even if it would have taken another confrontation, I was willing to go the distance. Here is why, the myopia you spoke of, hits the nail on the head, so to speak, and, if you will; it can also be call, ignorance, they both are the same in my/our minds view. So, lets leave that legacy that you and I speak so much about. With great passion, I look forward to this joint mission, this awakening for our People, and all others! :toasts: It is our job to remove the wall that should not exist, as you say!

With great passion, I look forward to this joint mission, this awakening for our People, and all others! It is our job to remove the wall that should not exist, as you say!


Sounds consistent with Step Twelve of Racism Non~Anonymous!

12. Once the Spiritual Awakening (BE~coming Conscious) happens, we are Mandated by that Spiritual Energy, that Power of WE, to awaken another/others and to continue the practice the principles of MA'AT in all our affairs.

Meh Happy to See and Hear Brothers working it out!
:bowdown::bowdown::bowdown::bowdown:

:dj::dj::dj:
I'm Troddin Home...
Track #6
in da Recovery Room (http://www.rnanetwork.ning.com)

M.E.
:hearts2:

Sounds consistent with Step Twelve of Racism Non~Anonymous!

12. Once the Spiritual Awakening (BE~coming Conscious) happens, we are Mandated by that Spiritual Energy, that Power of WE, to awaken another/others and to continue the practice the principles of MA'AT in all our affairs.

Meh Happy to See and Hear Brothers working it out!
:bowdown::bowdown::bowdown::bowdown:

:dj::dj::dj:
I'm Troddin Home...
Track #6
in da Recovery Room (http://www.rnanetwork.ning.com)

M.E.
:hearts2:





Abena,
:bowdown: :teach: :bowdown:

Hopefully, this is the last Bump!

I haven't read all the post, so i don't know if this has come to play yet. But i came across a guy on youtube whos states, "The System of Racism is White Matriarchy."

While i'm not convince about some things he states, i still found it interesting. I also thought about this thread. So here goes. I hope it helps yall to expound a little as well.


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I haven't read all the post, so i don't know if this has come to play yet. But i came across a guy on youtube whos states, "The System of Racism is White Matriarchy."

While i'm not convince about some things he states, i still found it interesting. I also thought about this thread. So here goes. I hope it helps yall to expound a little as well.

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PurpleMoons,

Purple, thank you for this information. What it does for me, it validates that our Project, What is the Origin of Racism, is much needed. There are several issues I have after viewing all 3 videos.

Typically, people such as this guy, all begin with the racial groups as being separate and distinct, which is not the case. You are given no point of origination between, basically the two groups, blacks and whites, or color and non-color.

This affords him to say repeatedly, the white woman is the devil. Elijah Muhammad also preached this devil connection. Anyone that continues to assign the devil to humans is incorrect, and would be considered unscholarly. Hence the need for the Origin of Racism. His breakdown of tribalism and matriarchy, to a degree is proper, the exception and what waters down his argument would be the constant mantra, that the white woman is the devil theory, which was not proven, and has not been proven. Do you unserstand what I am saying Purple?

What would be impressive would be to begin with the origin of humans, and here is where most of our scholars miss the boat, so to speak. Many times I have shown this origin, this origin is a factual, and scientific, and irrefutable point.

I will say again, white people are a mutation of black people, it is just that simple, and scholarly. What is contain in these videos would not pass on the world stage, other than as laughable.

When the devil is brought up, it has to be explained, just what definition of the devil he is using. Notice that was not given. Devil is connected with the Bible. Did he assume his viewers would apply the biblical definition, of course! Are there some of our people still that turn their backs to the Bible, of course! Are there many definitions of the devil, of course! Can you see where I'm headed with this, of course you can. We pick and choose what we desire of the Bible!

Gallant attempt by the young man, impressive, but if we were to have a conversation, meaning him and me, his whole concept would be overturned. Now this is true, whether or not you accept what I say. In fact, what needs to begin to happen, is that these people should be invited to Destee.com for a debate, seriously! It is a debate I would love to have!

I will point our Group Think crew to these videos, and asked them to review and consider what can be extracted, and what should not be extracted from this source. I love you to death Purplemoons:heart:, and thank you for this, and your sincere involvement with what I am doing.

One last thing, it was totally unnecessary for him to not have on a shirt, unless his idea was to attract females. I personally do not wish to watch men half-clothed nor would I appear in that fashion and expect to be taken seriously. The tribal custom of dress has changed, this young man didn't offer an explanation for his appearance, he could have prefaced by saying that he was going back to our roots, or sump'n, wouldn't you agree? Now thats a question I need a answer from you on:)

PurpleMoons,

Purple, thank you for this information. What it does for me, it validates that our Project, What is the Origin of Racism, is much needed. There are several issues I have after viewing all 3 videos.

Typically, people such as this guy, all begin with the racial groups as being separate and distinct, which is not the case. You are given no point of origination between, basically the two groups, blacks and whites, or color and non-color.

This affords him to say repeatedly, the white woman is the devil. Elijah Muhammad also preached this devil connection. Anyone that continues to assign the devil to humans is incorrect, and would be considered unscholarly. Hence the need for the Origin of Racism. His breakdown of tribalism and matriarchy, to a degree is proper, the exception and what waters down his argument would be the constant mantra, that the white woman is the devil theory, which was not proven, and has not been proven. Do you unserstand what I am saying Purple?

What would be impressive would be to begin with the origin of humans, and here is where most of our scholars miss the boat, so to speak. Many times I have shown this origin, this origin is a factual, and scientific, and irrefutable.

I will say again, white people are a mutation of black people, it is just that simple, and scholarly. What is contain in these videos would not pass on the world stage, other than as laughable.

When the devil is brought up, it has to be explained, just what definition of the devil he is using. Notice that was not given. Devil is connected with the Bible. Did he assume his viewers would apply the biblical definition, of course! Are there some of our people still that turn their backs to the Bible, of course! Are there many definitions of the devil, of course! Can you see where I'm headed with this, of course you can. We pick and choose what we desire of the Bible!

Gallant attempt by the young man, impressive, but if we were to have a conversation, meaning him and me, his whole concept would be overturned. Now this is true, whether or not you accept what I say. In fact, what needs to begin to happen, is that these people should be invited to Destee.com for a debate, seriously! It is a debate I would love to have!

I will point our Group Think crew to these videos, and asked them to review and consider what can be extracted, and what should not be extracted from this source. I love you to death Purplemoons:heart:, and thank you for this, and your sincere involvement with what I am doing.

One last thing, it was totally unnecessary for him to not have on a shirt, unless his idea was to attract females. I personally do not wish to watch men half-clothed nor would I appear in that fashion and expect to be taken seriously. The tribal custom of dress has changed, this young man didn't offer an explanation for his appearance, he could have prefaced by saying that he was going back to our roots, or sump'n, wouldn't you agree? Now thats a question I need a answer from you on:)



Yes, i do understand.

What i found interesting is his idea that racism is a matriarchal system. If this is true, then one can start looking for signs of racism way back as far as they can go into the matriarchal systems. That is what caught my attention and what made me think of the group think team.

While i wasn't stuck on that "white women is the devil" ideology, i also understood why he would say that. Yes, it would be great to begin with
the beginning of humans, but that is a beginning that is questionable. There are so many different ideologies/beliefs. It would be most difficult to pinpoint the actual truth. Especially since there are limited trustworthy documents which verifies actuality. How would you know which is truth and which is designed to read as truth? I think in this case, its better to begin at the end, and work your way on back. This path can be a little more defined.

Yeah, it was unnecessary for him to be without a shirt. However, his shirtless frame wasn't a distraction for me. It was his understanding of why he thinks "racism is a matriarchal system", thats what caught my attention. It's really weird too. Sometimes clues can come from the strangest
mediums. If i come across anything else, i'll post it for you all to evaluate.

Love you too Brother Clyde!:hearts1:

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@Topic


Hmm, I was just talking to someone the other day about Queen Elizabeth and how she was born and the female dominance of the European culture was brought up. Also, the idea that white men and women have this game of chilvalry which involves the Damsel in distress syndrome and the white man to the rescue, it is all drama which soldifies the falness of the white man being the dominant one when he is not. Very interesting, was just talking about this not to long ago.

Also, in that topic Sweetapple posted about why do our black men not respect us? Or something to that matter, there was also talk about how we as black women learned from the white women to spoil our men when they are children, then we wonder why they are not the man we inteneded them to be when they grow up. The reason for this is because, we have not done the white womans bidding completly. We have not lied to our black boys and soldified through dramatic play, that they are the dominant ones before they become men... Telling them that they are the strong ones, when it is clear, that a whole lot of us have raised them to be weak. It is all a reverse.


Sister


Asrologer4U

@Clyde


I agree with Purple about the origins of humans Clyde, that will be a tuffy. Meanwhile, we do know that white people come from black people as you said. We do know that they are the opposite of us and many of the things they do, is opposite of how we would do things.

One thing I would have to disagree with though about the man in the video. I don't fully agree that African people were totally patriarchal, I think African people were historically a blend of both matriarchal and patriarchal. Also, I don't think in the African culture anything was based on looks but I do think things were based on attributes. Attributes meaning in tune with the earth and it's inhabitants. In other words, natural attributes.

Purplemoons and Astrologer4U,

Sisters, we are on point with each other, except concerning origins. Present day Cloning is a direct result of the Genome Project. DNA, and its 3 Billion plus letters have been define, it is no mystery and not at all difficult as you all seem to think, I have said this many times, and I have written about it many times, it just hasn’t sunk in yet.

Molecular Biologist, as a result of the Genome Project, have determined irrefutably that all human life traces back to a female African, its call Mt DNA (mitochondria). Are you not understanding that, or are you all rejecting it, either way the fact remains; and it is the message, the only message that needs to be told.

Once again, all humans trace back to Africa, all humans to a single African female!

And I love both of you :) deeply!

@Clyde


One thing I would have to disagree with though about the man in the video. I don't fully agree that African people were totally patriarchal, I think African people were historically a blend of both matriarchal and patriarchal. Also, I don't think in the African culture anything was based on looks but I do think things were based on attributes. Attributes meaning in tune with the earth and it's inhabitants. In other words, natural attributes.

I second that. It was blend of the two systems.

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Purplemoons and Astrologer4U,

Sisters, we are on point with each other, except concerning origins. Present day Cloning is a direct result of the Genome Project. DNA, and its 3 Billion plus letter have been define, it is no mystery and not at all difficult as you all seem to think, I have said this many times, and I have written about it many times, it just hasn’t sunk in yet.

Molecular Biologist, as a result of the Genome Project, have determined irrefutably that all human life traces back to a female African, its call Mt DNA (mitochondria). Are you not understanding that, or are you all rejecting it, either way the fact remains; and it is the message, the only message that needs to be told.

Once again, all humans trace back to Africa, all humans to a single African female!

And I love both of you :) deeply!



I hear you Brother Clyde, i'm neither rejecting or accepting it. But if it isn't as difficult as you say, then why haven't we found the origin of human life yet? Yes, all dna traces back to one Ancient Mother, but that doesn't tell us how she...herself...originated, where did she come from, how did she get here, or was she even human at all? Tracing our existence back to this one women, doesn't tell us where racism first began. Unless you believe it began at the very beginning of self-discovery. Do you think it began with her?

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I hear you Brother Clyde, i'm neither rejecting or accepting it. But if it isn't as difficult as you say, then why haven't we found the origin of human life yet? Yes, all dna traces back to one Ancient Mother, but that doesn't tell us how she...herself...originated, where did she come from, how did she get here, or was she even human at all? Tracing our existence back to this one women, doesn't tell us where racism first began. Unless you believe it began at the very beginning of self-discovery. Do you think it began with her?







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PurpleMoons, :heart:

Here is what you may have missed that I said:

"Typically, people such as this guy, all begin with the racial groups as being separate and distinct, which is not the case. You are given no point of origination between, basically the two groups, blacks and whites, or color and non-color."

And then there was this:

"What would be impressive would be to begin with the origin of humans, and here is where most of our scholars miss the boat, so to speak. Many times I have shown this origin, this origin is a factual, and scientific, and irrefutable point."


Relating to origins of Life or Humans, there or only two choices, and they are, creation or evolution(macro). Regardless of which choice one selects, the point is this; the mother of all living was and is the African female.

Whether she was created, whether she evolved, or lastly, and a new paradigm, whether she was designed by the Intelligent Desigher, which is also to say, quasi created. The central and significant theme is African Origin, period.

So, in answer to your high-lighted question, we have found the origin of human life, and depending upon your worldview, each of us can answer the question, rightly or wrongly!

Never was it propositioned that with the advent eve or lucy, tells us the beginning of racism. This was never alluded to. And no, and obviously it doesn't begin with self-discovery nor with eve or lucy.

The purpose of our Group Think project is to uncover the origin of racism, through group consensus of the facts.

PurpleMoons, :heart:

Here is what you may have missed that I said:

"Typically, people such as this guy, all begin with the racial groups as being separate and distinct, which is not the case. You are given no point of origination between, basically the two groups, blacks and whites, or color and non-color."

And then there was this:

"What would be impressive would be to begin with the origin of humans, and here is where most of our scholars miss the boat, so to speak. Many times I have shown this origin, this origin is a factual, and scientific, and irrefutable."


Relating to origins of Life or Humans, there or only two choices, and they are, creation or evolution(macro). Regardless of which choice one selects, the point is this; the mother of all living was and is the African female.

Whether she was created, whether she evolved, or lastly, and a new paradigm, whether she was designed by the Intelligent Desigher, which is also to say, quasi created. The central and significant theme is African Origin, period.

So, in answer to your high-lighted question, we have found the origin of human life, and depending upon your worldview, each of us can answer the question, rightly or wrongly!

Never was it propositioned that with the advent eve or lucy, tells us the beginning of racism. This was never alluded to. And no, and obviously it doesn't begin with self-discovery nor with eve or lucy.

The purpose of our Group Think project is to uncover the origin of racism, through group consensus of the facts.



Okay, got it!:SuN011:

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PurpleMoons, :heart:

Here is what you may have missed that I said:

"Typically, people such as this guy, all begin with the racial groups as being separate and distinct, which is not the case. You are given no point of origination between, basically the two groups, blacks and whites, or color and non-color."

And then there was this:

"What would be impressive would be to begin with the origin of humans, and here is where most of our scholars miss the boat, so to speak. Many times I have shown this origin, this origin is a factual, and scientific, and irrefutable."


Relating to origins of Life or Humans, there or only two choices, and they are, creation or evolution(macro). Regardless of which choice one selects, the point is this; the mother of all living was and is the African female.

Whether she was created, whether she evolved, or lastly, and a new paradigm, whether she was designed by the Intelligent Desigher, which is also to say, quasi created. The central and significant theme is African Origin, period.

So, in answer to your high-lighted question, we have found the origin of human life, and depending upon your worldview, each of us can answer the question, rightly or wrongly!

Never was it propositioned that with the advent eve or lucy, tells us the beginning of racism. This was never alluded to. And no, and obviously it doesn't begin with self-discovery nor with eve or lucy.

The purpose of our Group Think project is to uncover the origin of racism, through group consensus of the facts.





Clyde, I now I have your book and I also have my yellow highlighter, I will get back to you about this once I finish reading your book.



Sister

Astrologer4U

Clyde, I now I have your book and I also have my yellow highlighter, I will get back to you about this once I finish reading your book.



Sister

Astrologer4U





Astrologer4U,

Thank you for your recent purchase of Does Color Matter? And Color of the Cross, you will enjoy them both, and I see you are a woman of your word, that is a good thing. If there are any questions, use e-mail, PM’s, or call me.

I find it strange that you would replace your argument against what I have stated to PurpleMoons, with information concerning my book. Since you have agreed with Purple, on origins of life being difficult to prove, is there any rebuttal you offer to what I have shared with Purple, or does what I explained suffice the question, as it does with PurpleMooons?


Please understand, our project, Origin of Racism, is independent of the question, origins of life, and the project has nothing at all to do with the book, Does Color Matter? It is the goal of Group Think to unfold the degree to which racism had its beginning.

I think you and Purple were thrown off at me mentioning this:

“What would be impressive would be to begin with the origin of humans, and here is where most of our scholars miss the boat, so to speak. Many times I have shown this origin, this origin is a factual, and scientific, and irrefutable point.”

Here is the point I was attempting to make, the young man didn’t take us back to the beginning, but starts with post creation. It is the beginning of life that is significant to understand prompting no real dichotomy among humans, that human life itself, fits within a vacuum.

Furthermore, this particular thread is not for back and forth debate, rather it serves the purpose for reviewing by the Family, and any suggestions, such as what Purple posted; but ultimately, it gathers the consensus reached from Group Think, and becomes the published material.

So as to not encourage others, I offer that any differences we may need to settle, should become the topic of a new thread, unless you have been convinced, already! What say you, Astrologer4U ?

Since you have agreed with Purple, on origins of life being difficult to prove, is there any rebuttal you offer to what I have shared with Purple, or does what I explained suffice the question, as it does with PurpleMooons?

Actually Brother Clyde, the answer doesn't suffice with me. What suffice is, that is your answer, and with that i'm cool.

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Actually Brother Clyde, the answer doesn't suffice with me. What suffice is, that is your answer, and with that i'm cool.

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Thank you for clearing that up Purple, good luck on finding any other answer, outside of my answer, if you will, which explains the origin of Life. That will be a daunting task, to say the least, my Sister!

Group Think (GT) Consensus

Active quorum members of the Group Think project: Origin of Racism Group, have discussed and agreed upon the following issues and have reached consensus on:

Clarity of Purpose
Issues that Divide us (Obama, Meat eaters vs. Vegetarians, Religion, etc.)



Clarity of Purpose

Clarity of purpose is a must, so fittingly; this #1 item was put to GT for consensus of the group’s clarity of purpose, and hinges on two (2) very important questions:

Are we building a system, so to speak with the publication to liberate our people from racism? Or are we just going to try to address the ten issues of people activity and liberate ourselves in spite of racism?

All of us understand the effects of racism, it is the goal of GT to dissect its origin and prepare to offset the effects through a non-intimidating homegrown published document. As such, our coming together in mass, is not a prerequisite to finish a publication, but to assemble from three to five serious like minded Destee.com family members to accomplish said goal, and that has been achieved with the creation of the Group Think project.

Therefore when we speak of liberation from the many forms of racism, what kind of liberation are we talking about? It is GT’s position that outside of economic independence, our mental liberation is the first step in the process. Moreover, when we speak of liberation, we are basically talking about the 9 areas of people activity as outlined in the ISIS Papers, Economics, Education, Entertainment, Labor, Law, Politics, Religion, Sex, and War, and in addition, Health as the 10th. So we are talking about everything.





Issues that Divide us(Obama, Meat eaters vs. Vegetarians, Religion, Matriarchy vs. Patriarchy, etc.)

As discussed in the 9th meeting, December 11, 2008, topics such as Obama, meat eaters vs. vegetarians, religion, etc…need not hit the table, because they are irreconcilable and will only divide us at this time. As a group of people, we are nowhere near coming to a consensus on any of the above-related subjects. When we come together, topics such as these should be put on the back burner, as issues that divide us.

Those lining up on either side of these topics can put their short arguments into the newsletter with a corresponding thread on Destee.com. So everyone who reads the newsletter, that is not a destee.com member (if they have an opinion on the subject) can go to destee.com and join and comment and share their opinion. In this manner, we can debate all day; yet stay unified towards one common cause. It will also bring in more members, and make clear our focus is to come to a consensus on the issues.

At the end of the day if a person's spiritual beliefs are making them a better brother or sister mentally, spiritually, and physically, then is it really worth sitting up and telling them what is wrong with their beliefs? We think we could address issues of racism within religion, but agree that we should stay away from denouncing anyone's beliefs.

Any matters of a similar nature that only acts to impede GT, will be added to this list. Of course said matters will be consensus concluded.

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From this point forward, all members are asked not to post comments to this thread, as the original intent and purpose of the thread is for deposit of consensus material only, that will be edited for the homegrown published document. Any ideas or comments should be posted to this link: http://destee.com/forums/showthread.php?t=56440

Any GT members desiring a minor adjustment, should be specific in that request, and should cut and paste the adjustments to my profile page.

This question is at the genesis of us beginning to create real justice, freedom, and peace for our people.

People like Lokman offer stagnent commentary filled with latent ambiguity that fails miserably at either defining the real problem and/or finding a real solution.

Anyone have a GOOD answer to this question?

Thank you Sir for this post. I have a few questions in response:

1. What contructive purpose does it serve to study the "historical origin" of racism when we are subject to racism (white supremacy) "today?"

2. Do you think we should devise a code of thought, speech, action, and emotional response "today" to help us deal with our "current" degree of subjugation?

3. If studying the "origin" of racism hasn't removed us from the confines of white supremacy at this point, then why should we continue to do something that has demonstrated failure? Because if studying the origin has not failed thus far, then are we still subject to the system of racism?

it all started in the begenning with kane and abble. one was of the lighter skin and one was of the darker skin . think about it kane killed abbly because abble was more favrate than kane by god and his parents. but god favor was because of his works.( abble) adam & eve i,m not sure but the color of the skin had soming to do with it . so to me it all started in the beginning

Peace jblackmel and paul shields, I have forwarded you a PM explaining where to re-post your reply of questions/statements in this thread. Also, this thread is for the deposit of Group Think Consensus only, thanks to other members for compliance.

Group Think (GT) Consensus

Active quorum members of the Group Think project: Origin of Racism Group, have discussed and agreed upon the following through consensus-based resolution reached in the 16th Group Think Meeting. Guidelines: Any titles selected in the naming of our homegrown publication, can include or reflect “Destee.com Family” or something similar.

This will do two (2) things, first, it is expected to generate competition in the “title selection” process from our widely diverse Family; and second, by reaching across such a broad base, fulfills the Group Think objective to increase Site (Destee.com) participation. Guidelines to: Determine Title of the publication will change accordingly.

GT members, brown_hornet and Clyde C. Coger, Jr., will create and post a Thread seeking the Communities involvement, within the new “title selection” guidelines, for the naming of the homegrown publication, by Wednesday, February 18, 2009.


To date: Possible Titles of our homegrown publication

Black Liberation

The Reconstruction of Black Civilization

BAM: By Any Means

DREAM: Dedication to Restoring and Empowering Africans Mentalities

(So Family, lets put the thinking caps on and get this done)




From this point forward, all members are asked not to post comments to this thread, as the original intent and purpose of the thread is now for consensus material only that will be edited for the homegrown published document. Any ideas or comments should be posted to this link: http://destee.com/forums/showthread.php?t=56440

Any GT members desiring a minor adjustment, should be specific in that request, and should cut and paste the adjustments to my profile page.

Peace jblackmel and paul shields, I have forwarded you a PM explaining where to re-post your reply of questions/statements in this thread. Also, this thread is for the deposit of Group Think Consensus only, thanks to other members for compliance.


From this point forward, all members are asked not to post comments to this thread, as the original intent and purpose of the thread is now for consensus material only that will be edited for the homegrown published document. Any ideas or comments should be posted to this link: http://destee.com/forums/showthread.php?t=56440

Any GT members desiring a minor adjustment, should be specific in that request, and should cut and paste the adjustments to my profile page.

Brother Clyde, why are you telling members where and why not to post in certain threads? This community has always encouraged members to share in threads which interest them. While I do understand your intentions of such, we don’t want any member to feel limited or restricted from any discussions. So please stop telling members where they can comment and share, and no longer add the bolded text to your post.

Another thing Brother Clyde, you have taken a thread which you didn’t even create… virtually changing it to what you want it to be, (telling other folks not to post to it.) You have no right to do this. If you want to suggest those intents and purposes, you first need to start your own thread…hoping the family will abide. But understand, no one has to abide to those rules.

Thank you in advance for your cooperation!:love:

:heart:

Great Questions...
Thank you Sir for this post. I have a few questions in response:

[QUOTE=jblackmel;569365] 1. What contructive purpose does it serve to study the "historical origin" of racism when we are subject to racism (white supremacy) "today?"

The purpose is to help find a solution to a GLOBAL problem. It is IMPOSSIBLE to cure a disease without knowing it's origins. One may TREAT THE SYMPTOMS but a real CURE is what we should desire.

2. Do you think we should devise a code of thought, speech, action, and emotional response "today" to help us deal with our "current" degree of subjugation?

Of course we should deal with the ills of today. However, it will just be putting a band-aid on an infected sore. It will look and feel better for a time, but it will continue to eat at us until we address the ORIGIN and how to cure the illness.

3. If studying the "origin" of racism hasn't removed us from the confines of white supremacy at this point, then why should we continue to do something that has demonstrated failure? Because if studying the origin has not failed thus far, then are we still subject to the system of racism?

I don't know of any studies of the "origin" that has given us a clear, concise, and logical answer. If there is such a study, then the MASSES have yet to hear of it. That is our purpose here at Destee...to come up with the origin, a possible solution and to deliver it to the MASSES.

.....Group Consensus... Reached: October 23, 2009!

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GroupThink (GT) Consensus

Active quorum members of the GroupThink project, have discussed and agreed upon the following through consensus-based resolution reached in the 51st GroupThink Meeting:

It is the decision of GT, by consensus, to conclude that the time is now here for Family members, desiring to wear Destee.com T-Shirts and advertise this grand site, to be able to do so. Therefore, a deadline of November 5, 2009 has been set in order to gather all promises or leads to T-Shirt vendors. All pertinent information of those with T-Shirt vendors should be submitted to GT by or before the deadline date.

Having grapple with acquiring a T-Shirt program for one(1) year, adversely affects the groups credibility with the Community, which is fully aware of the untiring efforts to provide T-Shirts for the Family.

The alternative will be to go with Zazzle or Cafepress, unless the vendors of promise manifest.



















From this point forward, all members are asked not to post comments to this thread, as the original intent and purpose of the thread is now for consensus material only that will be edited for the homegrown published document. Any ideas or comments should be posted to this link: http://destee.com/forums/showthread.php?t=56440

Any GT members desiring a minor adjustment, should be specific in that request, and should cut and paste the adjustments to my profile page.