JESUS WAS MARRIED, SAYS BISHOP

By Clark Morphew
Knight-Ridder

When the Rev. John Shelby Spong, Episcopal Bishop of Newark, NJ, writes a book, you can bet it will be a “church-boiler” but also thoughtful and aimed at the future.

For instance, in his book, Born of Woman: A Bishop Rethinks the Birth of Jesus, he speculates that Jesus may have been married. And of course, Bishop Spong says, the woman he was married to was Mary Magdalene, whom the church has painted with a wide-scarlet brush down through the centuries.

Bishop Spong says that such negative views of Mary Magdalene are pure nonsense. "The only indications that Mary Magdalene even had problems," he says, "are a short Gospel passage that says she was a sinner and another passage that says Jesus cast seven demons out of the woman."

But the Bishop sees other positive indications that Mary Magdalene could have been the wife of Jesus. For instance, when the Gospel writers list the contingent of women who followed Jesus and the disciples from town to town, Mary Magdalene is always mentioned first.

Given the many prohibitions on single Jewish women in those days, Bishop Spong says that the women following Jesus could have been mothers, wives or prostitutes. Bishop Spong thinks that Peter and some of the other disciples had wives who followed along. What then was the role of Mary Magdalene?

The Bible says the women “provided for them out of their means.” And in every account Mary Magdalene is the central figure. Even at the tomb after the crucifixion, the focus is on Mary Magdalene. She tells an angel inside the tomb that someone has taken away her “lord,” which would have been a common reference to a husband in those days, Bishop Spong says. And when she sees a mysterious figure outside the tomb whom she believes is a gardener, she lays claim to the body of Jesus which, of course, would be the duty of a man’s wife.

Bishop Spong, a well-known and controversial liberal, talks about the narrative that describes the moment after the resurrection when Jesus sees Mary and greets her by name. Mary responds, “Rabboni,” an intimate reference to Jesus’ teaching role. Apparently, Mary then moves toward Jesus to embrace him, and Jesus says, “Do not embrace me” or: “Do not cling to me.” In Orthodox Jewish sects, the bishop says, women did not embrace men unless they were married – and then only in the privacy of their homes.

Bishop Spong contends that the wedding at Cana in Galilee was actually the wedding of Jesus and Mary Magdalene. The bishop notes that the only likely time that Jesus’ mother and all of his friends would be at the same wedding was when Jesus himself got married. And he wonders why Jesus’ mother became so upset when the wine was running low. Probably because she was the hostess of her own son’s wedding.

Bishop Spong concludes his chapter on the married Jesus with a charge that the real Mary Magdalene was excised from holy stories as a way of denying women their true sexual nature. “By the turn of the 1st century, there was in the life of the Christian church a clear need to remove Mary Magdalene, the flesh-and-blood woman who was at Jesus’ side in life and in death, and to replace her with a sexless woman, the virgin mother. The record of history is that this was accomplished by portraying Mary Magdalene as a prostitute and thus assassinating her character,” Bishop Spong writes.

Biblical scholars have always had to accept the possibility that at the time of Jesus there was no city called “Nazareth.” They have resisted this possibility, it is true, and sometimes quite vigorously, but it definitely remains, as you may discover yourself by reference to the King James Version of the Bible or a standard Bible dictionary.

The city called “Nazareth” is not mentioned in the entire Old Testament or the Talmud. This is an argument from silence, but it is not negligible. Of far greater weight, however, is the silence of the great Jewish historian Josephus (ca. 37-95 AD). For besides being a widely traveled writer who never missed anything and who described voluminously all that he saw, Josephus never mentions the city of Nazareth in his writings.

There is, however, an ancient city named “Nazeret” in the ancient east African country of Abyssinia (now Ethiopia), about forty miles south of Addis Ababa. Not too far from Nazeret is a city called "Megdela."

Could it be that the Jesus of Nazereth and Mary Magdalene of the Bible are in reality Isa of Nazeret and Miriam of Megdela, Abyssinia?

There is no use in debating about this issue. In the Bible James is the brother of Jesus. In does mention that clearly. However, in scripture it doesn't state anything about Mary Magdalene being the wife of Jesus. If you read the Holy Scriptures carefully remain in the Spirit.

There is no use in debating about this issue. In the Bible James is the brother of Jesus. In does mention that clearly. However, in scripture it doesn't state anything about Mary Magdalene being the wife of Jesus. If you read the Holy Scriptures carefully remain in the Spirit.We know that Jesus had a brother named James. However, many religious scholars now believe that James The Just was Jesus' earthly father. Check out the book titled, The Jesus Scroll by Donovan Joyce for further edification. Remember, the Bible says that Mary, the 14-year-old mother of Jesus, "was with child" when Joseph met her...

Re: Mary Magdalene:

Bishop Spong speculates that Jesus may have been married. And of course, he says, the woman he was married to was Mary Magdalene, whom the church has painted with a wide-scarlet brush down through the centuries.

Bishop Spong says that such negative views of Mary Magdalene are pure nonsense. "The only indications that Mary Magdalene even had problems," he says, "are a short Gospel passage that says she was a sinner and another passage that says Jesus cast seven demons out of the woman."

But Bishop Spong sees other positive indications that Mary Magdalene could have been the wife of Jesus. For instance, when the Gospel writers list the contingent of women who followed Jesus and the disciples from town to town, Mary Magdalene is always mentioned first.

Given the many prohibitions on single Jewish women in those days, Bishop Spong says that the women following Jesus could have been mothers, wives or prostitutes. Bishop Spong thinks that Peter and some of the other disciples had wives who followed along. What then was the role of Mary Magdalene?

The Bible says the women “provided for them out of their means.” And in every account Mary Magdalene is the central figure. Even at the tomb after the crucifixion, the focus is on Mary Magdalene. She tells an angel inside the tomb that someone has taken away her “Lord,” which would have been a common reference to a husband in those days, Bishop Spong says. And when she sees a mysterious figure outside the tomb whom she believes is a gardener, she lays claim to the body of Jesus which, of course, would be the duty of a man’s wife.

He talks about the narrative that describes the moment after the resurrection when Jesus sees Mary and greets her by name. Mary responds, “Rabboni,” an intimate reference to Jesus’ teaching role. Apparently, Mary then moves toward Jesus to embrace him, and Jesus says, “Do not embrace me” or: “Do not cling to me.” In Orthodox Jewish sects, the bishop says, women did not embrace men unless they were married – and then only in the privacy of their homes.

Bishop Spong contends that the wedding at Cana in Galilee was actually the wedding of Jesus and Mary Magdalene. The bishop notes that the only likely time that Jesus’ mother and all of his friends would be at the same wedding was when Jesus himself got married. And he wonders why Jesus’ mother became so upset when the wine was running low. Probably because she was the hostess of her own son’s wedding.

Bishop Spong charges that the real Mary Magdalene was excised from holy stories as a way of denying women their true sexual nature. “By the turn of the 1st century, there was in the life of the Christian church a clear need to remove Mary Magdalene, the flesh-and-blood woman who was at Jesus’ side in life and in death, and to replace her with a sexless woman, the virgin mother. The record of history is that this was accomplished by portraying Mary Magdalene as a prostitute...and thus assassinating her character...

[Btw, mell, Mary Magdalene's real name was Miriam Megdela...she was an Ethiopian woman...Megdela is a few miles south of Addis Ababa, Ethiopia's capital. Prophet Isa (Jesus) was born in Nazeret, Ethiopia.]

According to David Icke (The Biggest Secret) "There is a 'royal' bloodline called the Merovingians who claim that the Merovigians are the bloodline of Jesus, via the child or children he conceived with Mary Magadalene, who fled with them to the South of France after the 'Crucifixion'. But there was no Jesus and no Mary because these are symbolic figures in a story which has been told endless times throughout the pre-Christian world, using different names. How could two symbolic people concieve a bloodline that became the Merovingians? It's baloney and this tale has been hatched to divert researchers from the truth. Yes, the truth is about the Merovingians are a major one. But no, it has nothing whatsover to do with Jesus. This particular line, going back to Alexander the Great and beyond, became known as the Merovingians in France by the 5th and 6th centuries."

Ok, I'm just a simple person. Sometimes I do like to think, but not often, so I need you all's help. ok? In my opinion of reading the bible. I see marriage as having sex with someone. "Becoming one." Where is there a ceremony to wed two people together. My vail was my virginity no? I became one with the first man I had sex with right? Where are the I do's and the speak now or forever hold your peaces. Did Jesus jump the broom with Mary M or did he have sex with her. What's really going on???

If we're going to talk Pagan, let's start here with weddings. I would love to know peoples opinion on this and why we're so into marriage vows instead of the becoming one....litterally. Becoming one with someone is sold nightly on T.V. It's reduced to nothing...

feed me information please!!!!

In a book titled, The Jesus Scroll, by Donovan Joyce, the author not only says that Jesus and Mary Magdalene were married, but that they had a son whose name was "Barabbas," which means, "son of the father." He was scheduled for crucifixion for killing a Roman soldier...and Jesus and his followers (mainly the Essenes) devised a plan that would have Jesus go to the cross instead of his son. The basis of the plan was that Jesus would go to the cross, but that he wouldn't die on it...

It is a very intriguing story...and you'll be quite surprised at its ending...

I have posted a thread titled, "Marriage in Ancient Egypt" for further edification.

Yeah, I saw the post "Marriage in Ancient Egypt." It was informative. Just to help me further, you stated moving in together was a big part of marriage. Indeed, but "becoming one" meant sex no? I'm no horn dog, I just want to make sure people understand that becoming one is serious biz.

Yeah, I saw the post "Marriage in Ancient Egypt." It was informative. Just to help me further, you stated moving in together was a big part of marriage. Indeed, but "becoming one" meant sex no? I'm no horn dog; I just want to make sure people understand that becoming one is serious biz.Becoming one does not just pertain to the physical, as you imply, Royal_T, it applies to the mental and spiritual aspects of a marriage as well, which surely makes "becoming one" a very serious undertaking...

In other words, when two people enter a marriage bond, they become one physically, mentally and spiritually...holy matrimony...

As-Salaam Alaikum Brother Aliq,

I must say I do not agree with these two points:

However, many religious scholars now believe that James The Just was Jesus' earthly father.

and

In a book titled, The Jesus Scroll, by Donovan Joyce, the author not only says that Jesus and Mary Magdalene were married, but that they had a son whose name was "Barabbas," which means, "son of the father." He was scheduled for crucifixion for killing a Roman soldier...and Jesus and his followers (mainly the Essenes) devised a plan that would have Jesus go to the cross instead of his son. The basis of the plan was that Jesus would go to the cross, but that he wouldn't die on it...


I don't agree with them simply because in the Qur'an, we are told that Jesus (pbuh) was the one sent to the cross, and there is no mention of this having been devised for his son....and Jesus (pbuh) was born of a virgin birth...he had no "earthly" biological father...


Now, as for the book, THE JESUS SCROLL...much of the information in there I find EXTREMELY interesting because it corelates with the information in another book I've been reading called THE HIRAM KEY by Christopher Knight and Robert Lomas...these two are FreeMasons who went on a search to find where the Masonic traditions come from...I shall put many of what they said regarding the issues on the thread dealing with Jesus' (pbuh) existence....


As-Salaam Alaikum...

Wa-Alaikum-Salaam, sister...your points are well taken...

Ma Salaam.

Indeed Aqil. I didn't underestimate the mental and spiritual at all, I just failed to type them in. I don't believe there should be a physical without those two first. Sorry for the confusion, but physical is indeed a powerful powerful presence. I'm done now! :)

In other words, Royal_T, a three-in-one...

found this thread very interesting... thanks for the insight...

peace

You're quite welcome, NADIA*BINTA...

Ma Salaam.

Brother Aqil,

You must stop adding copywritten information to the forum, without including the owner's permission. It is against our rules and i've banned folk for doing it far fewer times than you have. Thank you.

:heart:

Destee

My badd, Destee...

The DaVinci Code was written by Dan Brown. Here is the link:

http://www.danbrown.com/novels/davinci_code/reviews.html

yes this was very interesting.....Agil ... .


anyway ...she was a lucky women to be that close to him in spirrit as well in flesh




and we are lucky that we can be that close to ...to be one with him...



I do believe that intamacy, is Only ment to Become One.....


that will lead to my next Topic .......WHat does Marriage Means according the Bible..?


Love Liberty

Brother Aqil I've been checking out your forums and I must admit your are very knowledgeable and well read. It is obvious you are searching for the truth and a deeper understand of our world. My question to you brother is have you found divine truth? What I mean is have you studied god's word, meditated on the meaning and prayed for to God for understanding. If you have done those things and GOD has provided your answers there will be no book, scholar or historian that can tell you different. As for Jesus being married, first you must first understand why Jesus was here in the first place. If you believe as I that Jesus was here to show man that GOD is real and loves all people, and what GOD wants is for us to live by GOD's word, and that Jesus was the example for all men to emulate then it is possible for Jesus to have been married. If you believe that Jesus died so that man would be redeemed of his sins then it is possible for Jesus to have been married. The better question is why would it have mattered if Jesus was married? These questions are tricks of the emeny designed to cause chaos, strife and division among men. If we are constantly brickering over the small picture we will never see the big picture. Brother I'm not as read as you and have probably forgetten more than I can remember, but I do have a personally relationship with GOD. As my worldly mind loses it's worldly knowledge my spiritual mind grows and that is where I find may my answers. Brother ask God to give you spiritual sight and spiritual knowledge. Matters of the flesh will pass away but the spirit is eternal.

Peace

...My question to you brother is have you found divine truth?Yes.

What I mean is...have you studied God's word, meditated on the meaning, and prayed to God for understanding?Yes.

If you have done those things and GOD has provided your answers there will be no book, scholar or historian that can tell you different...True...however, God provides answers through books (e.g., The Bible, the Holy Qur'an, the Baghavad Gita, the Hindu Vedic Scriptures and other holy books of the world), in addition to scholars and historians (e.g., Bishop Spong)...

Brother, ask God to give you spiritual sight and spiritual knowledge. Matters of the flesh will pass away, but the spirit is eternal.I believe in what the great Prophet Jesus said:

“Do not make long prayers asking God for foolish things. He knows what is good for you better than you do, and He needs no prompting to keep Him interested. When you pray, try to understand what God wants from you; it is much more important than what you want from God.”

(The Essene Gospel of Peace)

Brother you are right God communicates to us in ways for us to understand via books and messangers. His commands are clear, But also we need a personal relationship with God. God blesses us immeasureable. And when asked God will guide your step when facing choices. What I'm talking about is when you go to that place inside your and commune with God and hear God's voice with a message for you. That's way more special and endearing. No prayer is frivelous, God gives what you need. What you need is always the best thing for. Brother continue to seek the truth and strive for perfection. Don't sweat the small stuff.

Be sure and do the same, my brother...:star:

Was Mary Magdalene the wife of Prophet Jesus?Bishop James Spong speculates that Jesus may have been married. And of course, he says, the woman he was married to was Mary Magdalene, whom the church has painted with a wide-scarlet brush down through the centuries.

Bishop Spong says that such negative views of Mary Magdalene are pure nonsense. "The only indications that Mary Magdalene even had problems," he says, "are a short Gospel passage that says she was a sinner and another passage that says Jesus cast seven demons out of the woman."

But Bishop Spong sees other positive indications that Mary Magdalene could have been the wife of Jesus. For instance, when the Gospel writers list the contingent of women who followed Jesus and the disciples from town to town, Mary Magdalene is always mentioned first.

Given the many prohibitions on single Jewish women in those days, Bishop Spong says that the women following Jesus could have been mothers, wives or prostitutes. Bishop Spong thinks that Peter and some of the other disciples had wives who followed along. What then was the role of Mary Magdalene?

The Bible says the women “provided for them out of their means.” And in every account Mary Magdalene is the central figure. Even at the tomb after the crucifixion, the focus is on Mary Magdalene. She tells an angel inside the tomb that someone has taken away her “Lord,” which would have been a common reference to a husband in those days, Bishop Spong says. And when she sees a mysterious figure outside the tomb whom she believes is a gardener, she lays claim to the body of Jesus which, of course, would be the duty of a man’s wife.

He talks about the narrative that describes the moment after the resurrection when Jesus sees Mary and greets her by name. Mary responds, “Rabboni,” an intimate reference to Jesus’ teaching role. Apparently, Mary then moves toward Jesus to embrace him, and Jesus says, “Do not embrace me” or: “Do not cling to me.” In Orthodox Jewish sects, the bishop says, women did not embrace men unless they were married – and then only in the privacy of their homes.

Bishop Spong contends that the wedding at Cana in Galilee was actually the wedding of Jesus and Mary Magdalene. The bishop notes that the only likely time that Jesus’ mother and all of his friends would be at the same wedding was when Jesus himself got married. And he wonders why Jesus’ mother became so upset when the wine was running low. Probably because she was the hostess of her own son’s wedding.

Bishop Spong charges that the real Mary Magdalene was excised from holy stories as a way of denying women their true sexual nature. “By the turn of the 1st century, there was in the life of the Christian church a clear need to remove Mary Magdalene, the flesh-and-blood woman who was at Jesus’ side in life and in death, and to replace her with a sexless woman, the virgin mother. The record of history is that this was accomplished by portraying Mary Magdalene as a prostitute...and thus assassinating her character...

Everything I have studied about the Levant, so-called Semitic or Middle-Eastern cultures of that part of the world and especially Jewish/Hebraic cultures of ancient Palestine, mentions it was practically unheard-of for a man to reach the age of 30 and not be married. If he was a single man, He (Jesus) would have seemed very strange and peculiar, in the context of Jewish culture.

We need to be careful in always accepting this spiritual celibacy idea, about Jesus and the priesthoods. As you see in the Catholic Church, this practice is being revealed and exposed for its hypocrisy and irrelevance, this is more to do with the pious religiosity of early Christian zealots and some pre-Christian priesthoods, than true spirituality or religious culture. Most likely celibacy, in “some” ancient priesthoods, was probably achieved through castration or its equivalent; this is what Origen, (born in Africa) the most renowned early Christian scholar and theologian did to himself. And if you don’t think castration was a pervasive act in order to receive higher-results in the European world, then you need to consider the act of castrating young boys in the church choir in order to produce castratos, was a well-known practice and is well documented.

Also, in order to understand some deeper meaning, to some ancient religious stories, we have to understand about, what historians call “sacred prostitutes and temple virgins”. The word virginity and prostitution didn’t always carry the same meaning, as transliterated by the church and laymen of medieval Europe.

Peace :)

Well that is what bishop says....


God knows the answer ...

but i dont think so ....

but if she was she was a LUUUUUUUCCCCCKY LADY....

and i coundnt even be jalours of that cause He would NOTICE (lol)

and he would kick Butt...cause jaloursy is not from him.....

it reminds me of a piece out of a song "'have you ever seen a picture of jesus laughing ......mmmm?do you think he had a beautifull smile ................
a smile that healed ......"'

well if we are in the love than we are all married to him right ?


anyway its inportant for what he did......

he save me over and over again.....and because of that i will get married one day....(first i need to find out still what marriage is)
and maybe i dont but with jesus in my life i will be oke.......

thats how inportant his sacrefice was.....

trough that saved us ...
saved you me...
if you believe...
every night he saves me....
every day.....


Let us pray and reach out...
that everyone may hear about this love....


this is love...

Everything I have studied about the Levant, so-called Semitic or Middle-Eastern cultures of that part of the world and especially Jewish/Hebraic cultures of ancient Palestine, mentions it was practically unheard of for a man to reach the age of 30 and not be married. If he was a single man, He (Jesus) would have seemed very strange and peculiar, in the context of Jewish culture...Shokran my brother...this is el haqq. And according to Jewish rabinnical law, a female is considered a woman at the age of 14...

"The real Mary Magdalene was excised from holy stories as a way of denying women their true sexual nature. By the turn of the 1st century, there was in the life of the Christian church a clear need to remove Mary Magdalene, the flesh-and-blood woman who was at Jesus’ side in life and in death, and to replace her with a sexless woman...the virgin mother. The record of history is that this was accomplished by portraying Mary Magdalene as a prostitute and thus assassinating her character."

(Rev. James Shelby Spong)

Biblical scholars have always had to accept the possibility that at the time of Jesus there was no city called “Nazareth.” They have resisted this possibility, it is true, and sometimes quite vigorously, but it definitely remains, as you may discover yourself by reference to the King James Version of the Bible or a standard Bible dictionary.

The city called “Nazareth” is not mentioned in the entire Old Testament or the Talmud. This is an argument from silence, but it is not negligible. Of far greater weight, however, is the silence of the great Jewish historian Josephus (ca. 37-95 AD). For besides being a widely traveled writer who never missed anything and who described voluminously all that he saw, Josephus never mentions the city of Nazareth in his writings.

There is, however, an ancient city named “Nazeret” in the ancient east African country of Abyssinia (now Ethiopia), about forty miles south of Addis Ababa. Not too far from Nazeret is a city called "Megdela."

Could it be that the Jesus of Nazereth and Mary Magdalene of the Bible are in reality Isa of Nazeret and Miriam of Megdela, Abyssinia?

What are your thoughts on this, IssaEl21?

Do you have any comments, Music Producer?

Do you have any comments, Music Producer?4: And it shall come to pass in that day, that the prophets shall be ashamed every one of his vision, when he hath prophesied; neither shall they wear a rough garment to deceive:
5: But he shall say, I am no prophet, I am an husbandman; for man taught me to keep cattle from my youth.
6: And one shall say unto him, What are these wounds in thine hands? Then he shall answer, Those with which I was wounded in the house of my friends.
7: Awake, O sword, against my shepherd, and against the man that is my fellow, saith the LORD of hosts: smite the shepherd, and the sheep shall be scattered: and I will turn mine hand upon the little ones.

This passage comes from the Old Testaments but yours has probably been edited out or rearranged so that it makes no since to interpret. But to me it makes much since and is clear. For others, well its just words in an old book that nobody reads anymore.

The linking or connector phrase to see many prophesy of the time when the True Messiah begins is, “in that day”.

David Icke book makes jesus to be a myth. The very bloodline you talk about he rejects. In my opinion the real mythical bloodline was started by Thothmoses III (King David) when he merged Isis/hathor with Ishtar.

I have also read that Jesus was married to Mary Magdalene In the book called The Davinci Code. I think it's highly possible that Jesus was marry. After all he was human.

It also said that Mary Magdalene is the Holy Grail that every one is looking for. They want to know where she is buried because she has documents buried with her that will give you the actual story of Jesus when he walk the earth and also of his lineage that still lives today. Yes, it said that Mary was with child and had to flee for her life and her unborn child.

Consider how the Bible came to be. who was the one who gathered the stories to put in the book? How did he choose which storys to place in it. Surly there are many stories told by many people, but why was those particular Gospels chosen?

The book goes on to say that a pagan Roman emperor Constantine the great, collated the Bible. He chose which gospels, out of more than 80, would be considered for the bible.

The book was label fictional, but of course it would be if it is going against the stories in the Bible. Some of the passages in this book I find very offensive. Like how Jesus and Mary are still potrayed as caucains. However, I also read the Davinci had an orignal painting of the actual last supper where they were potrayed as Black.

The book is a very interesting read. I'm not saying that what he wrote is law, but not knowing the whole truth and believing that the story in the Bibles have been altered, It's a possibilty to consider.

Jesus being married! Wouldn't that shakedown the walls of Christanity that some have come to trust today?

I am currently reading a non-ficition book entitled "When Jesus Became God: The Epic Fight over Christ's Divinity in the Last days of Rome." by Richard E. Rubenstein. This book discusses Constantine and the Council of Nicaea. The Apostale's Creed most of us recite in church? Made up by the Nicaean Council, according to history. The Holy Trinity we sing about? Accepted as the "official" Church view, courtesy of the Nicaean Council.......... If you get a chance, read this book. also read "Excavating Jesus: Beneath the stones, Beneath the texts" by John Dominic Crossan and Jonathan L. Reed.

Both books examine the historical documents available plus what we know about Jewish history/culture in that part of the world during that time period.

Was Jesus married? It is highly likely that he was. Marriage was held in the highest esteem, and still is in some parts of the world.

One thing we should remember is that "The DaVinci Code" is a work of fiction. Now, there IS a companion book to "The DaVinci Code" only i cannot think of the title at this moment. But it gives a history and background on thre landmarks, documents, and arguements in "The DaVinci Code."

Thank you Sister Toylin! I will look into those books as well. :luvv:

Here's another one: "Breaking the Da Vinci Code: Answers to questions everybody's asking" by Darrell L. Bock.

Unfortunately, Christians have adopted the Christ of faith and denied the Jesus of history...

Where r all of u taking ur information?Are you carrying parking of your sources?Because i want to remind you that in my bible I do not read nowhere that Jesus was maried.I suppose that all your texts came AFTER the bible.So please...i want to be ensure that you have the garantee of what you bring to us!I don't want to be laught tomorrow when i'll say to my friends or my family that Jesus wasn't the symbol of the confirmed bachelor.I wish u'll understand my fear and not be angry or having some feelings like that;it's not worth it

I believe this is what Scripture calls damnable heresy Peace

A frequent question asked by readers of Dan Brown’s The Da Vinci Code is “How much of the novel’s depiction of historical events, people, artwork, and institutions is correct.” The short answer is “Not much.” In fact, the only thing more amazing than Brown’s consistent misrepresentation of facts is a widespread acceptance of his claims, with both reviewers and readers praising the “research” and “knowledge” supposedly evident in his novel. The Da Vinci Hoax: Exposing the Errors in The Da Vinci Code examines, in much detail, the lengthy list of claims made in the Code. Here is a brief look at just a few of the claims made in Brown’s novel and on his web site.

Opus Dei

One of Brown’s “bizarre true facts” is that Opus Dei exists and “has recently completed construction of a $47 million, 133,000-square-foot American Headquarters at 243 Lexington Avenue in New York City.” Why this is considered bizarre is, well, bizarre. Far more bizarre than the existence of a personal prelature of the Catholic Church – erroneously described as a “a church” in the Code - is the character of a murderous albino Opus Dei monk. Never mind that Opus Dei is not a religious order and that it consists of mostly lay people, with less than 2% of its members being priests. As others have noted, Brown’s mythical Opus Dei has simply taken the place of the Jesuits, an order commonly depicted as murderous, vile, and corrupt by anti-Catholics writing in the 1800s and well into the 1900s.

Clear Facts about muddy fiction

The Da Vinci Code states that over a three hundred year period in the medieval era, the Catholic Church was responsible for burning a total of five million women at the stake. That’s quite a bit off of the best current estimate of 30,000 to 50,000 of men and women killed during the four hundred years from 1400 to 1800—certainly a significant number, but not comparable to the Holocaust or Stalin’s purges. Many of those deaths didn’t involve burning. Witches were hanged, strangled, and beheaded as well. In addition, witch-hunting was not woman-hunting: at least twenty percent of all suspected witches were male. Despite what the novel clams, midwives were not especially targeted; nor were witches liquidated as obstacles to professionalized medicine and mechanistic science.

Another glaring error is found in character Robert Langdon’s explanation of the origin of the tetragrammaton —YHWH (pronounced as Yahweh)— the sacred name of God, which observant Jews believe should not be uttered. Langdon claims that YHWH comes from the name Jehovah, which he insists is an androgynous union between “the masculine Jah and the pre-Hebraic name for Eve, Havah.” A quick trip to the encyclopedia (or theological dictionary, if you prefer) shows that Langdon is wildly off the mark. The name “Jehovah” didn’t even exist until the thirteenth century at the earliest (and wasn’t common until the sixteenth century), and is an English word. It was created by artificially combining the consonants of YHWH (or JHVH) and the vowels of Adonai (which means “Lord”), the name substituted for YHWH in the Old Testament by Jews. The Hebrew—not “pre-Hebraic”—word for Eve is hawwâ, (pronounced “havah”), which means “mother of all living.” There is absolutely nothing androgynous about any of this, but that dubious assertion is in keeping with the neognostic flavor of the novel.

Possibly Brown’s silliest mistake about the Templars is charging that Pope Clement V not only burnt hundreds of Templars but had their ashes “tossed unceremoniously into the Tiber River”. That the statement is put in the mouth of his “Royal Historian” character, Teabing, only adds to its irony. The largest burnings of Templars actually took place in Paris, with smaller holocausts in three other French cities and possibly Cyprus. There’s no record of Knights burnt at Rome. In any event, the pope couldn’t have dumped any remains in the Tiber since he resided at Avignon in southern France and not in Rome. Also, the Templars had nothing to do with gothic architecture, despite Brown’s claims that they had everything to do with it.

The Code claims that the Merovingians founded Paris. Nope. This is a mistake no educated Parisian would make, inasmuch as Paris was originally a Gallic village called Lutetia Parisiorum that was expanded into a city by the Romans. On and on it goes, with faulty and often blatantly incorrect statements about Jesus, Mary Magdalene, the Vatican, paganism, early Christianity, medieval Christianity, modern day Catholicism, the life and work of Leonardo, secret societies, the origins of the English language, Constantine, and much more….

For more information on The Da Vinci Hoax, go to www.davincihoax.com, or call 1-800-651-1531 to order the book.

Unfortunately, Christians have adopted the Christ of faith and denied the Jesus of history...

Jesus of History is the same of faith.

I would suggest to you that the Jesus of history is not God...

The Da Vinci Code is in a long line of books; be they historically, conspiratorially or fictionally based. I found many of these books interesting and some of their facts researchable and the rest of their evidence as usually subjective and mysterious, in nature. But, there are many facts in historical journals that are debated by academia daily and some things known as fact have historically been false and misleading (black folks should REALLY be familiar with this..,!)

The fact that Jesus was probably married has more to do with cultural anthropology, than occult mysteries or secret societies. Virginity for spiritual/religious reasons, among men especially, was not the norm in ancient Palestine or among ancient “so-called” Hebrews and since Jesus supposedly grew up in a normal Hebrew household and is believed to have lived a normal Hebraic life until he was at least 30 years old, he probably was married; as it was the cultural norm for Hebrew (ancient Palestinian) males at that time to marry way before the age of thirty.

Since the bible doesn’t place him in any unusual or selective religious Jewish cults that would have demanded a vow of celibacy, I don’t see why this (virginity) is implied. This virginity thing is just early Greco-Roman Christianity trying to inculcate the life of Jesus with pre-Christian cult beliefs, which influenced the formation of the early Catholic priesthood. Also virginity in pre-Christian cultism had a different meaning…basically one version of a spiritual virgin was a temple maiden who had not copulated with a mortal man, but many times they were sexually seduced by priest, would be kings or other holy men who represented a divine or godlike suitor…she is sometimes known among academia, in religio-historical circles, as the “sacred whore” or "sacred prostitute". There are a plethora of books that deal with this…one of many is “When God Was A Woman” by Merlin Stone.


I hope I don't go to hell for reading and researching...




Peace,

Brother Sun Ship :)

Yes . Yashu'a ( Jesus ) also association with The Knights Of Templar , And their order considered him A Brother Knight in which they held A Great Secret as found in A Scroll Entitle '' Genesis , The First Scroll Of Revelation '' By David Wood On Page 113 /

If Yashu'a ( Jesus ) survived , If Madalene was The Wife , If he had children andif they fled from Jerusalem to The Langurdoc . Then many apparently unrelated pieces of the puzzle come together . I feel certain we will find the evidence we need in the Secret Location of the Geomertric Temple at Rennes - Le - Chateau . I Am Also Convinced that this was known to the Vatican . That They Censored The Gospels , Almost Out Of Recongnition , Is generally agreed, but there is every possibility that they shut the gate only to find that the Horse had already gone . There is much to suggest that thiswas not fully realized until Evidence came to light that The Knights Templar Held A Great Secret . The Knights Of Templar Considered Yashua ( Jesus ) To Be A Brother Knight , ''


The Knight Of Templar . Were known as A Religous Military Order Of Knighthood . That devoted themselves to the protection of Pilgrims who Migreated to The Holy Land . The heart of The Old Knight Of Templar was in A Country Town called '' Rennes -Le-Chateau In France . Legends are deep within this French Community . One of which is Surrounding the Ark Of The Covenant . The Ark was believe to have been removed by the templar , Arrived in Jerusalem and acclaimed their mission in The Holy Land In Search Of The Ark Of The Covenant .

What Was This Great Secret That The Knight Of Templar Held ? The great secret of The Knight Of Templar was of Yashu'a ( Jesus ) ' Marriage To Mary Of Magdalene and the birth of their children . Mary's first son was Simon Bar Jesus , Who was Crucified . They had no other children until they took residence in Ancient Tama -Re ( Ancient Egypt ) Betwen The Year 35 A.D. AND 120 A.D. The Year Of Yashu'a ( Jesus ) death .

Yashu'a ( Jesus ) Had two other Sons ( Zubair and Huday ) and two daughters ( Iglaal and San'aa . ) Mary Magdalene and their children traveled to France to the Rennes - Le - Chateau for protection . Mary , Yashu'a ( Jesus ) Mother , Told Mary Magdalene to Cloak herself as Mary , The Mother Of Jesus , And take the children to A Safe place . Once Mary Magdalene and her children made it to Rennes - Le - Chateau , They lived in A Cave . Nobody Knew That They Were There Except For The Knights Of Templar Who Were Guarding The Cave .

Pepole had begun to find out that Yashu'a ( Jesus ) children were there and they went to search for them . But upon arriving at the cave , They were killed by The Knight Of Templar Who had set up three temples at three different points to guard the Children . THAT IS THE GREAT SECRET THAT THEY KEPT . Yashu'a ( Jesus ) was also a member of the order of The Essene . Hr lived within A Community . There have been many different accounts written in which people have spoken about The Essene , but little truth is known about this strictly spiritual community .

The order of The Essene was made of men who remained to themselves from other Societies ; But they never give you The Real Depth Of An Essene . The Essenes are called by many name , Such as The Magi , The Elder , The Wisemen , Hanif . Etc . It is said that Archeologist have found , between Jericho , Massada , And Qumran , A Communtiy type of living in an Oasis . An Oasis is A fertile or green spot in A desert or wasteland , Made by the presence of water .

Upon finding The Dead Sea Scroll Between the years of 1974 A.D. And 1956 A.D. Archeologists Excavated these ruins which proved to be Headquarters of a close knit family or community . According to the presently found dead Sea Scroll Yashu'a ( Jesus ) was A part of the order called The Essenes . that lived in The Jordan . The Essenes lived out there in the Jordan , And spent their time Re-Recording The Scrolls And The Tablets Called The Qumran And Hid Them In Canisters Up In The Qumran Mountain So That They Can Be Preserved Until This Day .

In the ruins . they found Agricultural Implements such as pruning hooks , large quantities of date seeds , And charred remains of Palm Tree Trunks used as ceiling beams . . An Agriculture station found , Indicates that The Brotherhood Of The Essene had A Large amount of landunder cultivation and it was Irrigated by water from numerous springs in The Area . The discipline of The Essene was very strict . Yashu'a ( Jesus ) and Mary Of Magdalene were both A part of A Separate Mystic Order .
Yashu'a ( Jesus )had the position Of A Priest . And Priest were not Allowed To Marry. But Yashu'a ( Jesus ) Became Very Fond Of Mary Magdalene .

( The Bride Of Yashu'a ( Jesus ) Yashu'a Marriage was on this concept . When Yashu'a Reached the age of 27, His Mother sought for him a wife . Having mentioned to him ,'' It is time to marry and have a family '' , Fearing that his radical opinions would cause him harm . Unbeknowing to him . Mary , his mother had already picked for him a wife name Mary Magdalene , Who was the daughter of Zarullah and Manaham . Who was called Mary Of Magdalene , after the town which she came from thus ,
Mary of Magdalene . The town of Magdalene was one of the oldest towns in Galilee on The Western Shore Of The Sea Of Galilee . She lived in Bethany in the East on The Jordan river . For was one who witnessed Yashu'a ( Jesus ) Baptism And Listened To His Teaching And Along With His Disciple Longed For His Return Home . ( Mary Magdalene Wife Of Yashu'a ( Jesus / Zarullah Mother Of Mary Magdalene / Manaham Father Of Mary Magdalene ) .

Thank you for your most interesting discourse, IssaEl21...

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What Was This Great Secret That The Knight Of Templar Held ? The great secret of The Knight Of Templar was of Yashu'a ( Jesus ) ' Marriage To Mary Of Magdalene and the birth of their children . Mary's first son was Simon Bar Jesus , Who was Crucified . They had no other children until they took residence in Ancient Tama -Re ( Ancient Egypt ) Betwen The Year 35 A.D. AND 120 A.D. The Year Of Yashu'a ( Jesus ) death .

Yashu'a ( Jesus ) Had two other Sons ( Zubair and Huday ) and two daughters ( Iglaal and San'aa . ) Mary Magdalene and their children traveled to France to the Rennes - Le - Chateau for protection . Mary , Yashu'a ( Jesus ) Mother , Told Mary Magdalene to Cloak herself as Mary , The Mother Of Jesus , And take the children to A Safe place . Once Mary Magdalene and her children made it to Rennes - Le - Chateau , They lived in A Cave . Nobody Knew That They Were There Except For The Knights Of Templar Who Were Guarding The Cave . {QUOTE}

PEACE - this is what i'm talkin 'bout - JESUS MARRIED MARY MAGDELEND AND HAD CHILDREN. One of their sons Simon bar (son of) Jesus was a sorcere who used to try and imitate his father walked with paul which is why some say paul knew jesus. No, Paul never met or walked with jesus he walked with his son as well as Luke. which is why Luke's books (his gospel which is the only gospel that does not start off with "in the beginning") as well as Acts go along with pauls story but contradicts the other gospels... - Luke even states that he wrote his gospel because he said he was smarter than the other writers. Simon bar Jesus was crucified! and if Jesus and his family fled to Eygipt in 35 a.d. he could not have died at 33 and he lived to be of the ripe ol'e age of 120 as it says in genesis 6:3......

The marriage in can'aa is scarcely described in the bible when Jesus and his mother as well as the desciples are at a wedding and his mother is concerned about the wine. why would mary be concerned about the wine at a wedding when in hebrew law the mother of the one getting married deals with the arrangements of the wedding? because it was her son jesus who was getting married. This is when he performs the miracle of turning water into wine............but they removed so much of it as to hide the truth of it from us! "I come not to change the laws of moses but to fulfill it" - was not moses married.......?

I agree totally brotha IssaEl21

(the degree of christ-ism)

peace