If I decide that two plus two equals five and that works for me who is to say I'm wrong? What makes one person's math better than anyone else's?

Suppose a book contains both truths and errors Is it true just because it contains truths? Is it false just because it contains errors?

Poisoned carrots have just as much vitamin A as non-poisoned carrots.

If the Church and the Mosque gave me the option to take what is true and leave the rest alone all would be well. But they tell me I must go whole hog or nothing and devote my life to the exclusion of anything outside their respective books. That's where I disagree.

Mathematics don't lie, so aint no arguing with that. But as far situations or your position on something, truth is subjective to perspective.

If I decide that two plus two equals five and that works for me who is to say I'm wrong? What makes one person's math better than anyone else's?

Suppose a book contains both truths and errors Is it true just because it contains truths? Is it false just because it contains errors?

Poisoned carrots have just as much vitamin A as non-poisoned carrots.

If the Church and the Mosque gave me the option to take what is true and leave the rest alone all would be well. But they tell me I must go whole hog or nothing and devote my life to the exclusion of anything outside their respective books. That's where I disagree.

Someone once said there was no truth until you make it so.

The Truth is stable, unchanging, and unchangeable. Unfortunately each person's truth is filtered thru their knowledge and experiences. 2 + 2 = 4 all day long, but if you are bad at math, 2 + 2 = 5 will be your personal true equation until you are taught and learn better! A way to approach people without thumping them over the head with what is true (to me), and this has worked for me, is to ask them why they believe the way they believe. It creates a dialouge. I am not out to convert anyone to what I personally believe. thru my experiences I note a lot of good in most religions. And, to be honest I'd rather see how religion manifests in individuals, in other words, what is their "walk" like? If a person isn't living what they are talking, then their message, their truth, becomes shallow in my eyes, any way. But who am I to judge????????????

CHAOS

LETS DO THIS AGAIN

ALL TRUTH IS HALF TRUTH.

THE SO CALLED LIE IS THE SAME AS THE TRUTH.

DarkMagic,

What you have stated is true. What is true for you today may not be so a year from now. People say that time changes all things but this is not true either. Time does not change anything, it only presents the opportunity for change.

...but rather within that part of man that superscribes to GOD. :hearts3:

In other words -- "Truth" is not an earthly thing but rather a divine virtue....!

Who decides the truth?
The Truth is stable, unchanging, and unchangeable. Unfortunately each person's truth is filtered thru their knowledge and experiences. 2 + 2 = 4 all day long, but if you are bad at math, 2 + 2 = 5 will be your personal true equation until you are taught and learn better! A way to approach people without thumping them over the head with what is true (to me), and this has worked for me, is to ask them why they believe the way they believe. It creates a dialouge. I am not out to convert anyone to what I personally believe. thru my experiences I note a lot of good in most religions. And, to be honest I'd rather see how religion manifests in individuals, in other words, what is their "walk" like? If a person isn't living what they are talking, then their message, their truth, becomes shallow in my eyes, any way. But who am I to judge????????????



mizjoice,

Well said, mizjoice, well said!

If I decide that two plus two equals five and that works for me who is to say I'm wrong? What makes one person's math better than anyone else's?

Suppose a book contains both truths and errors Is it true just because it contains truths? Is it false just because it contains errors?

Poisoned carrots have just as much vitamin A as non-poisoned carrots.

If the Church and the Mosque gave me the option to take what is true and leave the rest alone all would be well. But they tell me I must go whole hog or nothing and devote my life to the exclusion of anything outside their respective books. That's where I disagree.

you decide what the truth is..............

like the part of the movie the great debators......

q: who is ur opponent
a: he doesn't exist

q: and why doesn't he exist
a: because god is the judge

once u define what "god" is ..... i think u'll fine that u determine what the truth is....

Mathematics don't lie, so aint no arguing with that. But as far situations or your position on something, truth is subjective to perspective.

creative mind would say that math can lie...

because there are times when 2 = 1 and u can divide by 0 ..

I could create a proof / theorem to explain it.. but I won't...

it's funny that even the most skilled mathematician can't not see beyone his own rational mind......

The Truth is stable, unchanging, and unchangeable. Unfortunately each person's truth is filtered thru their knowledge and experiences. 2 + 2 = 4 all day long, but if you are bad at math, 2 + 2 = 5 will be your personal true equation until you are taught and learn better! A way to approach people without thumping them over the head with what is true (to me), and this has worked for me, is to ask them why they believe the way they believe. It creates a dialouge. I am not out to convert anyone to what I personally believe. thru my experiences I note a lot of good in most religions. And, to be honest I'd rather see how religion manifests in individuals, in other words, what is their "walk" like? If a person isn't living what they are talking, then their message, their truth, becomes shallow in my eyes, any way. But who am I to judge????????????

2+2=4 = 4+4=8

it's all the same thing......

the 4 of hearts is equivelent to the 8 of spades...

math is abstract ..... numbers are chaotic.......

they are never final and they fluctuate.......

they can be broken down........ to the essence ......

so i would say that the truth is forever changing but if broken down is built on only one foundation...

truth is subjective and what your perception is of it.....that is all

Mathematics don't lie, so aint no arguing with that. But as far situations or your position on something, truth is subjective to perspective.

That's Peace! But then you knew I would say that.

Truth is the light that brings you out of the stages of mental darkness. So what ever does that for you is your truth. Forget the organized faiths. I could never understand how people could get degrees in something like theology that cannot be proven.

If a book has truth and lies in it then how can you be sure what really is true and what really is a lie in that book? You can't, therefore only a book that is 100% percent true is worthy of reading.

For example if I wrote a book on how to defuse a bomb and told you that the book has some truths and some lies within it would and/or could you trust the book ? Of course not! You can only trust a book with the complete truth on defusing a bomb and likewise on how to live your life.

If a book has truth and lies in it then how can you be sure what really is true and what really is a lie in that book? You can't, therefore only a book that is 100% percent true is worthy of reading.

For example if I wrote a book on how to defuse a bomb and told you that the book has some truths and some lies within it would and/or could you trust the book ? Of course not! You can only trust a book with the complete truth on defusing a bomb and likewise on how to live your life.

What if there was different ways in defusing the bomb?

What if there was different ways in defusing the bomb?

The bible is the ultimate book of truth , so anything and everything you need to know about life is in the bible .
If there is an ultimate book for defusing bombs, then it will have anything and everything you need to know about defusing bombs.

In both cases there would be no reason to look at any other books on those subjects.

Thats a good question because I'm tired of the women in my family telling me that I am going to hell because I dont claim Jesus as my lord and savior and that I should ask for forgiveness. I should have kept my mouth closed about not believing. I had asked one of my them, how does she know that the Bible holds the whole truth. She said because it said so??? I dont agree with that at all. I believe that my ancestors are the true christs because they were crucified for just being.
I hate to see pictures of a white "god" hanging up on their walls, like the white man is so holy(now I even question the meaning of that word) and then above me? I think not. I would rather bow my head to a Black Man then Jesus.
Doesnt that cause confusion in the minds of the black people who worship him?
I consider the truth to be whatever my spirit agrees with at the time. Every time I learn something bits and pieces of the puzzle begin to connect. I'm still puzzled about what "God" is. Is perceiving what "it" is as just a "god" limiting then just knowing that there is a Creator?

creative mind would say that math can lie...

because there are times when 2 = 1 and u can divide by 0 ..

I could create a proof / theorem to explain it.. but I won't...

it's funny that even the most skilled mathematician can't not see beyone his own rational mind......
Please do create this "theorem".

CHAOS

I FIGURE SOMEBODY WOULD SAY THIS BY NOW BUT IT ALL DEPEND ON WHAT TYPE OF MATH ONE IS DOING.

IN DECIMAL MATH 2+2 WOULD EQUAL 4
IN BINARY MATH 2+2 WOULD EQUAL 22

CHAOS

I FIGURE SOMEBODY WOULD SAY THIS BY NOW BUT IT ALL DEPEND ON WHAT TYPE OF MATH ONE IS DOING.

IN DECIMAL MATH 2+2 WOULD EQUAL 4
IN BINARY MATH 2+2 WOULD EQUAL 22
Ok, i cee you.

Please do create this "theorem".

it's otta reach because everyone searching for zeros..

it would be invisible...... if u can grasp the nature of nothing it wouldn't need to be proved.......

Thats a good question because I'm tired of the women in my family telling me that I am going to hell because I dont claim Jesus as my lord and savior and that I should ask for forgiveness. I should have kept my mouth closed about not believing. I had asked one of my them, how does she know that the Bible holds the whole truth. She said because it said so??? I dont agree with that at all. I believe that my ancestors are the true christs because they were crucified for just being.
I hate to see pictures of a white "god" hanging up on their walls, like the white man is so holy(now I even question the meaning of that word) and then above me? I think not. I would rather bow my head to a Black Man then Jesus.
Doesnt that cause confusion in the minds of the black people who worship him?
I consider the truth to be whatever my spirit agrees with at the time. Every time I learn something bits and pieces of the puzzle begin to connect. I'm still puzzled about what "God" is. Is perceiving what "it" is as just a "god" limiting then just knowing that there is a Creator?

We know that we were created. Everything beyondd that is based on belief which is based on what we want to be true.

I have to agree with you and some of the others. Truth is not static reality. Since we experience reality as a linear progression we call time it is revealed to us bit by bit and moment by moment so how can anyone say they have THE TRUTH in its entirety? My truth is not universally experienced yet it is a part of the universe that we all live in so why do we go to war over whose piece of the puzzle is better than the others?

We know that we were created. Everything beyondd that is based on belief which is based on what we want to be true.

I have to agree with you and some of the others. Truth is not static reality. Since we experience reality as a linear progression we call time it is revealed to us bit by bit and moment by moment so how can anyone say they have THE TRUTH in its entirety? My truth is not universally experienced yet it is a part of the universe that we all live in so why do we go to war over whose piece of the puzzle is better than the others?

There is such a thing as absolute truth such as the sun that never changes .

Water is wet
Fire is hot
Boulders are heavy etc.

So somethings are always true whether you believe its true or not

The bible is the ultimate book of truth , so anything and everything you need to know about life is in the bible.

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:haha::haha:

:haha:
:haha::haha:

Instead of laughing , why not come up with evidence to the contrary.


OH Yeah ! THAT'S Right !

YOU DON'T HAVE ANY!!!!

Instead of laughing , why not come up with evidence to the contrary.


OH Yeah ! THAT'S Right !

YOU DON'T HAVE ANY!!!!

Well for you to tell other that the bible teaches how to do everything someone needs in life is crazy. I don't even need to respond to that because it makes no sense. Observe the level of living of many Christians collectively and I get my answer. I don't need to say anything, the proof is in the pudding.

Well for you to tell other that the bible teaches how to do everything someone needs in life is crazy. I don't even need to respond to that because it makes no sense. Observe the level of living of many Christians collectively and I get my answer. I don't need to say anything, the proof is in the pudding.

You are right a lot of people who call themselves christian arent living their lives they way should . The reason for this is because they are not keeping in step with what is written in the bible.

If these people who called themselves christian did try to live up to the example in the bible they would be living better llives , but some people just like to choose what they like to believe in the bible and discard the rest.

If you do this you are sure to live your life the wrong way , which unfortunately a lot of people do.

Christianity tells christians they should live righteous lives, and condemns _others_ who fail to do so, but does not teach its adherents how to live righteously.

It does no good to tell a man to live righteously if he genuinely has no idea how to rise above the lusts of the flesh/body.

There are verses, hidden in a mystery within the bible, which can lead a man to realize godliness within. But, that is not what gets preached from the pulpit on Sunday morning.

Even worse, Christianity is such a horribly hypocritical religion. It does not matter what you do, because Jesus will forgive you for it. Hence, according to Christian doctrine, there are no consequences of sin as long as you pray for forgiveness afterwards. That is 180 degreees from the doctine of Ma'at, or Karma.

Christianity is not so much a religion as it is a convenient excuse to _feel_ good about yourself irregardless of the presence, or absence, of love in your heart.

Christianity is not unique in this regard. You can find similar expressions of hypocrisy in other belief systems. It is this idea, often expressed even by those who hate and despise both the bible and Christianity, that _my_ God approves of the hate in _my_ heart, but condemns the hate in the heart of others.

Christianity tells christians they should live righteous lives, and condemns _others_ who fail to do so, but does not teach its adherents how to live righteously.
It does no good to tell a man to live righteously if he genuinely has no idea how to rise above the lusts of the flesh/body.

The bible does teach you how to live life . Read the bible.

Even worse, Christianity is such a horribly hypocritical religion. It does not matter what you do, because Jesus will forgive you for it. Hence, according to Christian doctrine, there are no consequences of sin as long as you pray for forgiveness afterwards. That is 180 degreees from the doctine of Ma'at, or Karma.

There is no hypocrasy in the bible , but unfortunately there are christians who say one thing and do another . They are not living a true christian life as described in the bible.

There is such a thing as absolute truth such as the sun that never changes .

The sun is changing all the time. Right now it is a white dwarf but the day will come when it grows to a red giant and then goes nova. Just because its change is too slow for human perception does not mean it does not change.

Water is wet
Water can dry up, be evaporated by the sun or just drip away so that all truths based on what it used to be are of the past and true only for the past.
Fire is hot
Boulders are heavy etc.
The adjectives hot and heavy are both good examples of the subjective experience of sentient beings. They not only vary from creature to creature but also from place to place. A boulder that is heavy on Earth would float on the moon. Fire that is hot to earthly creatures would not bother creatures who have adapted to much higher temperatures. In fact when my uncle was stationed in viet Nam their bodies got so used to temperatures of 134 degrees that when it dropped down to 90 they had to put on their overcoats.. Even the numerical temperatures and weights of things are not constant but changes over time.

So somethings are always true whether you believe its true or not You have yet to show me an example.

Instead of laughing , why not come up with evidence to the contrary.


OH Yeah ! THAT'S Right !

YOU DON'T HAVE ANY!!!!
Acts 1:16-18
16 "Men and brethren, this Scripture had to be fulfilled, which the Holy Spirit spoke before by the mouth of David concerning Judas, who became a guide to those who arrested Jesus;

17 for he was numbered with us and obtained a part in this ministry."

18 (Now this man purchased a field with the wages of iniquity; and falling headlong, he burst open in the middle and all his entrails gushed out.

Keep your finger on that passage in Acts and turn to the 27 th chapter of Matthew.

Matthew 27:3-7
3 Then Judas, His betrayer, seeing that He had been condemned, was remorseful and brought back the thirty pieces of silver to the chief priests and elders,

4 saying, "I have sinned by betraying innocent blood." And they said, "What is that to us? You see to it!"

5 Then he threw down the pieces of silver in the temple and departed, and went and hanged himself.

6 But the chief priests took the silver pieces and said, "It is not lawful to put them into the treasury, because they are the price of blood."

7 And they consulted together and bought with them the potter's field, to bury strangers in.

Let's look at what we have here and see if we can convince ourselves that this is not a contradiction

Death of Judas
Mat – hung himself before the field was purchased
Acts – fell down in the field

Who bought the potter's field
Mat – the priests
Acts – Judas

Disagreeing with the author of Acts was not enough for Matt. He then tells u:

9 Then was fulfilled what was spoken by Jeremiah the prophet, saying, "And they took the thirty pieces of silver, the value of Him who was priced, whom they of the children of Israel priced,

10 and gave them for the potter's field, as the Lord directed me."

This quote is not even in Jeremiah. It is in Zechariah! Look it up for yourself.

This is one example of many but how many do you need?

The sun is changing all the time. Right now it is a white dwarf but the day will come when it grows to a red giant and then goes nova. Just because its change is too slow for human perception does not mean it does not change.


Water can dry up, be evaporated by the sun or just drip away so that all truths based on what it used to be are of the past and true only for the past.

The adjectives hot and heavy are both good examples of the subjective experience of sentient beings. They not only vary from creature to creature but also from place to place. A boulder that is heavy on Earth would float on the moon. Fire that is hot to earthly creatures would not bother creatures who have adapted to much higher temperatures. In fact when my uncle was stationed in viet Nam their bodies got so used to temperatures of 134 degrees that when it dropped down to 90 they had to put on their overcoats.. Even the numerical temperatures and weights of things are not constant but changes over time.
You have yet to show me an example.

No you are just being ridiculous

If water dries up it is no longer water, it has become a gas

A boulder would not float on the moon . It would be lighter on the moon but it still would be heaver than a feather therefore it still would be considered a
heavy object whether on earth or the moon.

Your claim about your uncle having to put on coats in 90 degree weather is so ludicrous . The difference between 134 degrees and 90 degrees is 44 degrees which you suggest would cause the body to undergo some sort of body temperature adjustment in terms of what would be a comfortable temperature to go outside with no coat.
You seem to forget forget we experience a temperature change equal or greater than that every year when we go from spring to summer .
Where I live at we went from 30 degree weather to 80 degree weather in a week's time and my body didn't undergo any body temperature changes.

So this proves that there are things that are true no matter what.

Acts 1:16-18
16 "Men and brethren, this Scripture had to be fulfilled, which the Holy Spirit spoke before by the mouth of David concerning Judas, who became a guide to those who arrested Jesus;

17 for he was numbered with us and obtained a part in this ministry."

18 (Now this man purchased a field with the wages of iniquity; and falling headlong, he burst open in the middle and all his entrails gushed out.

Keep your finger on that passage in Acts and turn to the 27 th chapter of Matthew.

Matthew 27:3-7
3 Then Judas, His betrayer, seeing that He had been condemned, was remorseful and brought back the thirty pieces of silver to the chief priests and elders,

4 saying, "I have sinned by betraying innocent blood." And they said, "What is that to us? You see to it!"

5 Then he threw down the pieces of silver in the temple and departed, and went and hanged himself.

6 But the chief priests took the silver pieces and said, "It is not lawful to put them into the treasury, because they are the price of blood."

7 And they consulted together and bought with them the potter's field, to bury strangers in.

Let's look at what we have here and see if we can convince ourselves that this is not a contradiction

Death of Judas
Mat – hung himself before the field was purchased
Acts – fell down in the field

Who bought the potter's field
Mat – the priests
Acts – Judas

Disagreeing with the author of Acts was not enough for Matt. He then tells u:

9 Then was fulfilled what was spoken by Jeremiah the prophet, saying, "And they took the thirty pieces of silver, the value of Him who was priced, whom they of the children of Israel priced,

10 and gave them for the potter's field, as the Lord directed me."

This quote is not even in Jeremiah. It is in Zechariah! Look it up for yourself.

This is one example of many but how many do you need?

The priests said "It is not lawful to put them into the treasury, because they are the price of blood." .
This means they did not want anything to do with the money,so they must have bought the field in name of Judas so on the official record of ownership the field belong to Judas. Paul must have been referring to this record.

There is no contradiction in how Judas died .In Matthew it said he hung himself,so that means his body was elevated. After a while a dead body that is hanging is going to fall down and when that decomposing body hits the ground quite naturally it might bursts open just as it says in Acts.

Jerimiah 32:9 is where you will find the prophesy

(9) so I bought the field at Anathoth from my cousin Hanamel and weighed out for him seventeen shekels of silver.
Shekels refer to the weight of the silver and would be equivalent to the 30 pieces of silver .

Just as I keep saying over and over again , whenever you test the bible it will always pass with flying colors. Pray to God so you can know the truth. Peace

No you are just being ridiculous

If water dries up it is no longer water, it has become a gas

A boulder would not float on the moon . It would be lighter on the moon but it still would be heaver than a feather therefore it still would be considered a
heavy object whether on earth or the moon.

Your claim about your uncle having to put on coats in 90 degree weather is so ludicrous . The difference between 134 degrees and 90 degrees is 44 degrees which you suggest would cause the body to undergo some sort of body temperature adjustment in terms of what would be a comfortable temperature to go outside with no coat.
You seem to forget forget we experience a temperature change equal or greater than that every year when we go from spring to summer .
Where I live at we went from 30 degree weather to 80 degree weather in a week's time and my body didn't undergo any body temperature changes.

So this proves that there are things that are true no matter what.
Oceolo. You went from 30 degrees to 80 degrees and did not have to change your clothes? Both temperatures felt the same to you? Okay.

My point remains that everything changes and all adjectives like hot cold heavy light dry wet liquid gas are experienced differently by different organisms in different environments. You can not name anything which does not change. You can not name anything that stays the same and is experienced the same way by everyone throughout eternity. Not even God because then there would not be so many different religions.

The priests said "It is not lawful to put them into the treasury, because they are the price of blood." .
This means they did not want anything to do with the money,so they must have bought the field in name of Judas so on the official record of ownership the field belong to Judas. Paul must have been referring to this record.

There is no contradiction in how Judas died .In Matthew it said he hung himself,so that means his body was elevated. After a while a dead body that is hanging is going to fall down and when that decomposing body hits the ground quite naturally it might bursts open just as it says in Acts.

Jerimiah 32:9 is where you will find the prophesy

(9) so I bought the field at Anathoth from my cousin Hanamel and weighed out for him seventeen shekels of silver.
Shekels refer to the weight of the silver and would be equivalent to the 30 pieces of silver .

Just as I keep saying over and over again , whenever you test the bible it will always pass with flying colors. Pray to God so you can know the truth. Peace
Oceolo,

I read the verse you pointed out in Jeremiah and I read again he verse in Matthew, They are not the same. They don't even say the same thing accept that a field was bought. No mention of a potters' field. No mention of the thirty pieces of silver as we find in Zachariah 11:12, 13

11:12
I told them, "If you think it best, give me my pay; but if not, keep it." So they paid me thirty pieces of silver.

11:13
And the Lord said to me, "Throw it to the potter"--the handsome price at which they priced me! So I took the thirty pieces of silver and threw them into the house of the Lord to the potter.

What we find in Matthew are the faulty recollections of the author that there was a verse somewhere in Jeremiah that said something about buying a field then he goes on to tie the events of Judas to the verses in Zachariah.

Nowhere does the bible say the priests bought the field in Judas' name. You have to explain things away by saying this must have happened and that must have happened but never does this book just say what it means and mean what it says because no omniscient God had anything to do with it. You didn't test the bible. You simply twisted it around to say what you wanted it to say.

The priests said "It is not lawful to put them into the treasury, because they are the price of blood." .
This means they did not want anything to do with the money,so they must have bought the field in name of Judas so on the official record of ownership the field belong to Judas. Paul must have been referring to this record.

There is no contradiction in how Judas died .In Matthew it said he hung himself,so that means his body was elevated. After a while a dead body that is hanging is going to fall down and when that decomposing body hits the ground quite naturally it might bursts open just as it says in Acts.

Jerimiah 32:9 is where you will find the prophesy

(9) so I bought the field at Anathoth from my cousin Hanamel and weighed out for him seventeen shekels of silver.
Shekels refer to the weight of the silver and would be equivalent to the 30 pieces of silver .

Just as I keep saying over and over again , whenever you test the bible it will always pass with flying colors. Pray to God so you can know the truth. Peace


Based on your inability to prove that there are no contradictions in the bible, we can consider you last statement incorrect.

Truth can only be known by CONSTANT challenge with all things that we currently have access to as knowledge. Once one has settled on the fact that they have truth, he/she has proven that truth is not their ultimate goal.