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01-25-2008, 08:15 PM
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View Full Version : Black People : Are drugs used as a form of warfare against our communities? Natinr 01-25-2008, 08:15 PM opening this for serious discussion mazimtaim 01-25-2008, 08:26 PM Hmmm, good question. I think that drug use itself, is not that big an issue within the "Black" community. It is the enforcement of drug laws that is a big issue. In my studies, I was surprised to find out that "White" drug use is enormous. And the per capita argument just doesn't wash, since "Whites" use drugs (in some estimates) at a higher rate than "Black" people. I think American Indians have the highest rate. But when you look at the prisons, it is mostly just us. Again, a tool used to villify our culture and our way of life. Son of RA 01-26-2008, 12:45 AM Drugs, fast food, AIDS/HIV, Ebola, etc are examples of "silent weapons" and "silent weapons" are used in a "silent war". Now if only Africans worldwide would figure out who is it they are at war with (Global white supremacy) and stop thinking that they are each others enemy. http://land.netonecom.net/tlp/ref/sw4qw/index.shtml Natinr 01-26-2008, 01:49 AM Hmmm, good question. I think that drug use itself, is not that big an issue within the "Black" community. It is the enforcement of drug laws that is a big issue. In my studies, I was surprised to find out that "White" drug use is enormous. And the per capita argument just doesn't wash, since "Whites" use drugs (in some estimates) at a higher rate than "Black" people. I think American Indians have the highest rate. But when you look at the prisons, it is mostly just us. Again, a tool used to villify our culture and our way of life. I don't give a **** about what substances whie folks are taking, I am concerned about Black folks and what goes on in our communities!!!!!! Is there any city from!Detroit, Chicago, Phillie, Los Angeles, New York, Atlanta, New Orleans, Miami, Newark, Dallas, or any city in the South or the Caribean, were Black folks are concentrated, that has not been devestated by heroin, crack addiction and dealing and the gang violence than surounds such activity? The Nation of Islam fought against it when Malcom was there and still do today, the Black Panthers fought against it! And we don't think it is an attack??????????????? We know what agencies bring it into our communities, did Maxine Wates speak about this epidemic in our comunity in vain? As I mentioned before, Chancellor Willams, when asked the question by Gil Noble, what was the main thing that put a damper on the movement of the 70s he replied, 30.00 worth of heroin was reduced to 3.00 at street price, and agencies along with the mob recruited young men and let them know that the seling of this would be the new in thing. Now we have music glorifying this activity There is not one person on this board who has not witnessed the devestation of OUR communities, or have not lost a family member to gun violence or drug abuse. The British literaly forced by WAR and genocide opium traffic on the Chinese, so why is it so hard for us to see the conspiracy of this attack o our communities??? Natinr 02-06-2008, 08:02 AM young folks it feeds into the jails, the numbers of families destroyed and children abused and negected from abuse why are we silent about this not so silent killer(drive bys still going on all over the nation)??????????:qqb012: spicybrown 02-06-2008, 12:59 PM opening this for serious discussion They may be used as weapons, but must we WILLINGLY run dab smack into these "bullets & swords," then cry foul? Also, elders refusing to pass down important info is the root of many of our "generational ills." :qqb001: Destee 02-06-2008, 01:40 PM I don't give a **** about what substances whie folks are taking, I am concerned about Black folks and what goes on in our communities!!!!!! Is there any city from!Detroit, Chicago, Phillie, Los Angeles, New York, Atlanta, New Orleans, Miami, Newark, Dallas, or any city in the South or the Caribean, were Black folks are concentrated, that has not been devestated by heroin, crack addiction and dealing and the gang violence than surounds such activity? The Nation of Islam fought against it when Malcom was there and still do today, the Black Panthers fought against it! And we don't think it is an attack??????????????? We know what agencies bring it into our communities, did Maxine Wates speak about this epidemic in our comunity in vain? As I mentioned before, Chancellor Willams, when asked the question by Gil Noble, what was the main thing that put a damper on the movement of the 70s he replied, 30.00 worth of heroin was reduced to 3.00 at street price, and agencies along with the mob recruited young men and let them know that the seling of this would be the new in thing. Now we have music glorifying this activity There is not one person on this board who has not witnessed the devestation of OUR communities, or have not lost a family member to gun violence or drug abuse. The British literaly forced by WAR and genocide opium traffic on the Chinese, so why is it so hard for us to see the conspiracy of this attack o our communities??? I think most would agree that drugs (and all things related) are used as a weapon of war against us. :heart: Destee Natinr 02-18-2008, 12:44 AM to put an end to this horror, that has taken the neighbor out of neighborhood and now it is just "hood"? Desert Storm 02-18-2008, 01:01 AM Seeing how drugs has effect my family and thus effected me by not being able to know if my family members can make a responsible decision without having to have it?, I say drugs is a warfare against our communities. When you are on drugs, who is in control? You or the drugs? Not just we but many people are in deep shyte because of drugs. Have you ever seen someone struggle just to get off drugs? It's hard to see. Getting off drugs takes a minute and by the time you get off drugs the damage is done. You are just then trying to live your life again and learn how to have good coping skills. That takes time. And within that time we are defeating ourselves and effecting others. Meanwhile children are being seperated from family and put into the fostercare system and it is a cycle. After getting off of drugs you have to learn all over again. When you look at who is being greatly effected by drugs it's us. So even if we aren't in jail or in slavery (physically) we are on drugs. Parents are on drugs, kids are on drugs, everytime something goes wrong we are on drugs. It's just not a healthy cycle. While we are on drugs it is effecting everyone around us. It's like a dominoe effect. Anyways, good thread sis. Heart to Heart Much Love Desert Storm A007 02-18-2008, 01:04 AM It is only a symptom of the larger problem. Ghandi said it best, "keeping people in poverty is the cruelist violence of all". The drug war is fought in our communities because we don't have the resources to push it elsewhere. We are seeking the american dream without sufficient plan to accomplish it. Those of us in the hood have only the drug dealers close enough to teach us how to obtain the MONEY we want. Don't misunderstand me...I know that there are alternatives to the drug trade and that the alternatives are more viable and lucrative in the long run than the drug trade, but the cycle that is in the hood stays there because those who get out through other means do not come back to SHOW the people that there is a way out of poverty indepenent of the drug trade. We need to change our economic situations in order effect change with ALL of the issues in our communities. Natinr 02-18-2008, 01:23 AM It is only a symptom of the larger problem. Ghandi said it best, "keeping people in poverty is the cruelist violence of all". The drug war is fought in our communities because we don't have the resources to push it elsewhere. We are seeking the american dream without sufficient plan to accomplish it. Those of us in the hood have only the drug dealers close enough to teach us how to obtain the MONEY we want. Don't misunderstand me...I know that there are alternatives to the drug trade and that the alternatives are more viable and lucrative in the long run than the drug trade, but the cycle that is in the hood stays there because those who get out through other means do not come back to SHOW the people that there is a way out of poverty indepenent of the drug trade. We need to change our economic situations in order effect change with ALL of the issues in our communities. since a child I remember cats who rejected their middle class background for the limelight of peddling powders, Fat Cat Nichols and his posse all grew up middle class. And what about the millionaire rappers that advertize it? Those who, had a problem from this and joined the NOI stopped the drug use and dealing first! THEN their economic situation changed A007 02-18-2008, 01:51 AM since a child I remember cats who rejected their middle class background for the limelight of peddling powders, Fat Cat Nichols and his posse all grew up middle class. And what about the millionaire rappers that advertize it? Those who, had a problem from this and joined the NOI stopped the drug use and dealing first! THEN their economic situation changed I won't dispute that there are some who reject their middle class background for the drug life because of the illusion of glamour. However, have you ever asked yourself WHY those chose that path? Do you honestly believe that if presented with the option of starting companies like microsoft, dell, BET, nike, fed-ex, mcdonalds, and countless others in which the CEO's are 100 times as rich and ANY of the drug dealers still in the hood that they would choose the life of crime first? People don't deal drugs because it is their chosen profession. The do it because of EASY money and the false assumption that they can acheive some measure of wealth. Get it? Money? Wealth? It is about economics. Ask yourself why..if it is a moral issue..doesn't it effect WHITE middle class communities like it does black? It is not because they USE less (as a previous post alluded to). Ask yourself why it doesn't touch Bill Cosby's, Michael Jordan's, Bob Johnson's, Tavis Smiley's, etc. children the way it effects ours. The answer is because they have MONEY. Does that mean they are immune? No, look at Nicole Richey and others...but it is easy to see that their struggles are internal and ours are smack in the middle of our hoods. Natinr 02-18-2008, 02:33 AM I won't dispute that there are some who reject their middle class background for the drug life because of the illusion of glamour. However, have you ever asked yourself WHY those chose that path? Do you honestly believe that if presented with the option of starting companies like microsoft, dell, BET, nike, fed-ex, mcdonalds, and countless others in which the CEO's are 100 times as rich and ANY of the drug dealers still in the hood that they would choose the life of crime first? People don't deal drugs because it is their chosen profession. The do it because of EASY money and the false assumption that they can acheive some measure of wealth. Get it? Money? Wealth? It is about economics. Ask yourself why..if it is a moral issue..doesn't it effect WHITE middle class communities like it does black? It is not because they USE less (as a previous post alluded to). Ask yourself why it doesn't touch Bill Cosby's, Michael Jordan's, Bob Johnson's, Tavis Smiley's, etc. children the way it effects ours. The answer is because they have MONEY. Does that mean they are immune? No, look at Nicole Richey and others...but it is easy to see that their struggles are internal and ours are smack in the middle of our hoods. we do not have a responsibility to solve this problem?, and SINCE you wanted to go the celebrity route, cats on junk didn't kill Jordan's father??????? And Cosby's daughter wasn't strung out? If you do not see it as a moral issue after reading all the posts about lives desroyed, long before I joined and the lives you have seen destroyed, then I can't stay up all night to convince you:hammer: A007 02-18-2008, 10:24 AM we do not have a responsibility to solve this problem?, and SINCE you wanted to go the celebrity route, cats on junk didn't kill Jordan's father??????? And Cosby's daughter wasn't strung out? If you do not see it as a moral issue after reading all the posts about lives desroyed, long before I joined and the lives you have seen destroyed, then I can't stay up all night to convince you:hammer: Lol, by all means get some sleep. But, understand what the topic of the post was...Is it used as warfare against our communities. The answer is YES. The solution is ECONOMIC. That is all I am saying. You mentioned the killing of Jordan's father and Cosby's daughter. I already touched on the INTERNAL demons that all people face. These will never go away. But my point was ...is it messing up Cosby and Jordan's neighborhood? Do they live in high crime dangerous neighborhoods with dealers on the corner? Are their crack and weed house in their neighborhood? The answer is NO. That is because of MONEY. We are talking about how drugs effect our communities. Move to an affluent neighborhood (preferably black) and see how FEW of the daily drug deals you see going down. As for the rich people doing drugs...that will happen until we address how selfish and ignorant we are as human...but that is a different topic. Natinr 02-18-2008, 10:29 AM Easy money as a way to wealth has nothng to do with economics but with ones innate sense, of good and evil. THEY tried to push crappy beef onchildren and had to recall 150 million pounds, was that economics? trying to poison kids??????? Is it COOL to stay in high school and get good grades,or drop out hang out onthe corner and sling rocks? While listenig to music on an IPOD rewarding such behavior. AND WHO OR WHAT DETERMINES WHAT IS COOL, US OR THEM???? And was Malcom, and the Black Panther Party and Black Men Against Crack(Sonny Carson) and Viola Plummer and the Imam of Masjid A Taqwah,in Brooklyn; were they depriving Blackmen of "economic oportunity" by physically fighting against drugs in our community?????? Meritorius Manumition rewarded snitching Africanskidnaped, for tellling massa about anyone who tried to escape. The reward would be money, or the freedom of oneself. Who makes an easier dollar then the pimp? And who lives more luxuriously! But what endeavor could be more sick minded and evil. In many parts of Africa,homicide is a high paying part time job but how much of ones integrity does one want to compromise? At the rate our communities are going here, in the Caribean, Canada, Europe,and the Motherland I don't think we have the luxury to rationalize, what all of our grandparents would concider EVIL!:time: Natinr 02-18-2008, 10:34 AM Lol, by all means get some sleep. But, understand what the topic of the post was...Is it used as warfare against our communities. The answer is YES. The solution is ECONOMIC. That is all I am saying. You mentioned the killing of Jordan's father and Cosby's daughter. I already touched on the INTERNAL demons that all people face. These will never go away. But my point was ...is it messing up Cosby and Jordan's neighborhood? Do they live in high crime dangerous neighborhoods with dealers on the corner? Are their crack and weed house in their neighborhood? The answer is NO. That is because of MONEY. We are talking about how drugs effect our communities. Move to an affluent neighborhood (preferably black) and see how FEW of the daily drug deals you see going down. As for the rich people doing drugs...that will happen until we address how selfish and ignorant we are as human...but that is a different topic. TO LIVE IN HELL??????:drink: A007 02-18-2008, 10:56 AM Easy money as a way to wealth has nothng to do with economics but with ones innate sense, of good and evil. THEY tried to push crappy beef onchildren and had to recall 150 million pounds, was that economics? trying to poison kids??????? Is it COOL to stay in high school and get good grades,or drop out hang out onthe corner and sling rocks? While listenig to music on an IPOD rewarding such behavior. AND WHO OR WHAT DETERMINES WHAT IS COOL, US OR THEM????: That depends on which neighborhood you are in. Again, in Jordan's neighborhood it is not cool to drop out of school and sell drugs. Nor was it in the middle class neighborhood that I moved to when I was twelve. Did that mean that the white kids stayed away from drugs? Absolutely not!! In fact I had to ride my bike PAST the white junior high school so I could attend the black school because it has LESS drug activity. But guess what...if the white kids were not in school buying drugs...they had to go past all of the white neighborhoods and go to the black neighborhood to buy drugs. I knew of two white drug dealers (both from the middle class) and they BOTH dealt in the BLACK neighborhoods. Why? Because the police would not mess with them in the lower economic communities. But if they brought it out the "NICE" hoods they would get arrested. Don't misunderstand me Natinr, I KNOW that the color of our skin makes us a target. I realize that we are losing in the court rooms and jail houses. But, you must understand that OJ would have went to jail if he didn't have the MONEY that he had to pay those high powered attorneys. It is the same for us. If we had more money (or more to lose) we would shy away from a life of drugs running and subsequent jail time. If we had hope of living well outside of being a dealer...MOST would choose it. You said it correctly that the lure of EASY money attracts some. But, guess what, it is some of the HARDEST money in the world to make. How many jobs require that we duck the police, carry a gun for protection, and worry about how much time we will do in prison for working? Guess what? My children (i have four boys) will not even CONSIDER selling drugs! They KNOW it is a trap and that it is not even very lucrative when you think about it. I sat down with my son's and showed them how much the neighborhood drug dealer makes per hour. They realized that 9 dollars an hour can be made at mcdonalds without the worries of jail or death. But my children STILL see the dealers. Do you think when we go out the rich neighborhoods we see the dealers...ummmmmm NO! Why, because it is policed and protected more because of the money. A007 02-18-2008, 11:00 AM TO LIVE IN HELL??????:drink: Oh, I see. You are one of those people who believe that the love of money is the root to all evil??? What does loving money have to do with a (rich) mother drowning her kids in the tub?...NOTHING...yet it was evil. What does the love of money have to do with the Millions of rapes that occur in the world today?? NOTHING ...yet it is evil I could go on..but you get my drift. Anyway, we don't have to LOVE money to know that we need it as a tool to build a strong and powerful african-american community. Natinr 02-18-2008, 11:04 AM That depends on which neighborhood you are in. Again, in Jordan's neighborhood it is not cool to drop out of school and sell drugs. Nor was it in the middle class neighborhood that I moved to when I was twelve. Did that mean that the white kids stayed away from drugs? Absolutely not!! In fact I had to ride my bike PAST the white junior high school so I could attend the black school because it has LESS drug activity. But guess what...if the white kids were not in school buying drugs...they had to go past all of the white neighborhoods and go to the black neighborhood to buy drugs. I knew of two white drug dealers (both from the middle class) and they BOTH dealt in the BLACK neighborhoods. Why? Because the police would not mess with them in the lower economic communities. But if they brought it out the "NICE" hoods they would get arrested. Don't misunderstand me Natinr, I KNOW that the color of our skin makes us a target. I realize that we are losing in the court rooms and jail houses. But, you must understand that OJ would have went to jail if he didn't have the MONEY that he had to pay those high powered attorneys. It is the same for us. If we had more money (or more to lose) we would shy away from a life of drugs running and subsequent jail time. If we had hope of living well outside of being a dealer...MOST would choose it. You said it correctly that the lure of EASY money attracts some. But, guess what, it is some of the HARDEST money in the world to make. How many jobs require that we duck the police, carry a gun for protection, and worry about how much time we will do in prison for working? Guess what? My children (i have four boys) will not even CONSIDER selling drugs! They KNOW it is a trap and that it is not even very lucrative when you think about it. I sat down with my son's and showed them how much the neighborhood drug dealer makes per hour. They realized that 9 dollars an hour can be made at mcdonalds without the worries of jail or death. But my children STILL see the dealers. Do you think when we go out the rich neighborhoods we see the dealers...ummmmmm NO! Why, because it is policed and protected more because of the money. And there stil is a need for direct physical battle of immediency and urgency, economics takes time,sometimes years! ARE we wiling to sit around and wait for an economic change while so manylives are ruined? Natinr 02-18-2008, 11:10 AM Oh, I see. You are one of those people who believe that the love of money is the root to all evil??? What does loving money have to do with a (rich) mother drowning her kids in the tub?...NOTHING...yet it was evil. What does the love of money have to do with the Millions of rapes that occur in the world today?? NOTHING ...yet it is evil I could go on..but you get my drift. Anyway, we don't have to LOVE money to know that we need it as a tool to build a strong and powerful african-american community. NOW THE TRUTH IS OUT, NOTONBLY AM I MISQUOTED, BUT IT BECOMES CLEAR WHAT SIDE SOME FOLKS ARE ON FROM READING THE ENTIRE AND ALL THREADS, to even come on a Black board with such an arguement means........................................!:qqb 019: A007 02-18-2008, 11:33 AM NOW THE TRUTH IS OUT, NOTONBLY AM I MISQUOTED, BUT IT BECOMES CLEAR WHAT SIDE SOME FOLKS ARE ON FROM READING THE ENTIRE AND ALL THREADS, to even come on a Black board with such an arguement means........................................!:qqb 019: If I understand you then I apologize. But the statement about living in hell in reference to changing our economic structure threw me. But, what is the truth? The truth is out? What does this mean? Prizmm 02-18-2008, 04:23 PM It is only a symptom of the larger problem. Ghandi said it best, "keeping people in poverty is the cruelist violence of all". The drug war is fought in our communities because we don't have the resources to push it elsewhere. We are seeking the american dream without sufficient plan to accomplish it. Those of us in the hood have only the drug dealers close enough to teach us how to obtain the MONEY we want. Don't misunderstand me...I know that there are alternatives to the drug trade and that the alternatives are more viable and lucrative in the long run than the drug trade, but the cycle that is in the hood stays there because those who get out through other means do not come back to SHOW the people that there is a way out of poverty indepenent of the drug trade. We need to change our economic situations in order effect change with ALL of the issues in our communities. For the record it was and is the tireless effort of legions of wisened, embattled black grandmother, grandfathers, and mothers and fathers who created financial awareness for most of us. I beg your pardon, but; drug dealers don't show me anything about making money. Drug dealers are in my estimation destroyers of neighborhoods that wish to become communities. they are the reason blacks do not have communities. Making deals with enforcement officials to layer the areas where blacks live with drugs is not endearing. Drug dealers have proven beyond any doubt that they are not equal opportunity destroyers. they will sell that ***t only where enforcement officials allow them to do so, turning black mothers and fathers into zombies unable to care for themselves or their offspring. When you are awake and learned you would never reference drug dealers as persons to be emulated. By the way many of our people made money over the generations without doing the work of the white supremacist. Drug dealers are the arms and eyes of white supremacist...and they would never realize it unless they were the last person standing. [B]I despise anyone who pads their wallet by choking off the lives and aspirations of black men and women, boys and girls![/The Struggle Continues. Peace!B] Blackbird 02-18-2008, 05:14 PM Drugs... Drugs... Drugs... One of the most destructive modern-day weapons that the powers that be have at their disposal against the Black community. Drugs devastate our communities a variety of ways: direct, indirect and the "butterfly" effect. The standard goals are: 1. Decrease the availability of human resources in the Black community. 2. Destroy the basic unit of organization, support and strength: the family. 3. Marginalize the effectiveness and economic power of the Black dollar. 4. Devalue the locations in the Black community to offset into viable economic engine from establishing. 5. Foster an environment of chaos, terror and depravity to third world levels. 6. Promote a climate of gross consumerism, ghetto mythmaking and stereotypes. 7. Remove an education-oriented consciousness and replace with low expectations values. 8. Support a generational conflict within the Black community. 9. Disintegrate the cornerstones of an authentic culture in the Black community and subvert it with synthetic pseudo-pillars of right conduct. At one level, we have the street-based pusher doing his "hustle" to make ends meet, floss and otherwise be the "HNIC". Most young brothers and ever increasingly sisters mentally drop out of school by the 4th grade so for many of them, the prospects of completing school and obtaining some gainful employment or legitimate business enterprise is far off in their young minds. Drugs provide the avenue to earn "good" money and not punch a clock or involve oneself in something that one is disinterested in (school). The downside is getting "knocked" (arrested) or "taxed" (jacked) as we called it. Drugs have helped to increase the prison industrial complex's population significantly, especially with the sentencing guidelines, and escalate Black on Black violence in our communities. We are increasingly marching into the "belly of the beast" to do our "bid" until at least, a quarter of our life is wasted (especially Fed time). Young voices and minds, the potential leaders and motivaters of positive change, are left to rot until they are institutionalized behind bars and in cell blocks. We have a lessened pool of available human resources with dead and incarcerated members and a substantial loss in brain power (brain drain). The drug user is a complex individual, many times suffering from past issues of abuse, neglect or emotional support and dealing with the present challenges of low self-esteem/awareness, economic and opportunity stagnation or inavailability, stress and other problems. This individual is not an island. This person is someone's child, spouse or parent, as well as, a needed member of their community. The impact of their substance abuse on their respective relationships is substantial and damaging. The family unit is eroded and community is incomplete. The criminal behavior of the addict is heightened as they engage in different criminal acts to get their "fix." Those crimes include, but are limited not: sexual vices, child neglect and abuse, theft, property damage and trespassing. They are effectively put out of commission by sporadic bouts of arrests, rehabiliation, child protective services investigations and interim disability. They initially sought escapism from their troubles, but their escape led to their virtual prison, incarcerating them to a hard to escape hell of delusions, compulsions and paranoia. They are, if they are hard-core addicts, trapped in drug-induced psychoses - hardly your typical revolutionary for changes. The children, the future generation, are now easily prey to Child Protective Services, the local county and/or state agency charged with their protection and advocay. These agencies, typical goverment bureaucracies, are manned with biased, prejudiced and heavy caseloaded case managers who routinely suffer from apathy and lack of concern. Their only concern is doing the minimal with each child so they can document their work hours accordingly. Many times, the child in care of CPS suffer from educational neglect, sexual and physical abuse, and prejudice. Drugs have so stressed the resources of CPS that children in custody are rushed into foster homes of people without adequate background checks or training. For a nice portion of foster parents, the children are a $500+ check used to bolster their monthly coffers. Many kids become a commodity. Many of these children because their parents could not complete their case plan and no qualifiable relatives came forth are left to languish in the foster care system until they runaway or "term out" at 18. A new cycle of drugs begins. I will continue later. My daughter is crying. Blackbird Agent_Jack 02-18-2008, 06:26 PM Drug Dealing is the epitome of the entrepreneurial spirit. Eli Lilly would agree. Desert Storm 02-18-2008, 07:24 PM It is only a symptom of the larger problem. Ghandi said it best, "keeping people in poverty is the cruelist violence of all". The drug war is fought in our communities because we don't have the resources to push it elsewhere. We are seeking the american dream without sufficient plan to accomplish it. Those of us in the hood have only the drug dealers close enough to teach us how to obtain the MONEY we want. Don't misunderstand me...I know that there are alternatives to the drug trade and that the alternatives are more viable and lucrative in the long run than the drug trade, but the cycle that is in the hood stays there because those who get out through other means do not come back to SHOW the people that there is a way out of poverty indepenent of the drug trade. We need to change our economic situations in order effect change with ALL of the issues in our communities. I'm sorry but I believe this is bull shyte. Our people coming out of slavery had way limited resources than we do now and were still able to get educated. They were more poor than we were now and were still educated. If you want to get educated and if you want to make money there are more resources than ever before to do so. There are also people from third world countries who have less resources than we do and come from being very poor and they some how find a way to make money and get education. Tired of the excuses. No disrespect but it's not going to work. Much Love, Heart to Heart Desert Storm Prizmm 02-18-2008, 07:51 PM Drugs... Drugs... Drugs... One of the most destructive modern-day weapons that the powers that be have at their disposal against the Black community. Drugs devastate our communities a variety of ways: direct, indirect and the "butterfly" effect. The standard goals are: 1. Decrease the availability of human resources in the Black community. 2. Destroy the basic unit of organization, support and strength: the family. 3. Marginalize the effectiveness and economic power of the Black dollar. 4. Devalue the locations in the Black community to offset into viable economic engine from establishing. 5. Foster an environment of chaos, terror and depravity to third world levels. 6. Promote a climate of gross consumerism, ghetto mythmaking and stereotypes. 7. Remove an education-oriented consciousness and replace with low expectations values. 8. Support a generational conflict within the Black community. 9. Disintegrate the cornerstones of an authentic culture in the Black community and subvert it with synthetic pseudo-pillars of right conduct. At one level, we have the street-based pusher doing his "hustle" to make ends meet, floss and otherwise be the "HNIC". Most young brothers and ever increasingly sisters mentally drop out of school by the 4th grade so for many of them, the prospects of completing school and obtaining some gainful employment or legitimate business enterprise is far off in their young minds. Drugs provide the avenue to earn "good" money and not punch a clock or involve oneself in something that one is disinterested in (school). The downside is getting "knocked" (arrested) or "taxed" (jacked) as we called it. Drugs have helped to increase the prison industrial complex's population significantly, especially with the sentencing guidelines, and escalate Black on Black violence in our communities. We are increasingly marching into the "belly of the beast" to do our "bid" until at least, a quarter of our life is wasted (especially Fed time). Young voices and minds, the potential leaders and motivaters of positive change, are left to rot until they are institutionalized behind bars and in cell blocks. We have a lessened pool of available human resources with dead and incarcerated members and a substantial loss in brain power (brain drain). The drug user is a complex individual, many times suffering from past issues of abuse, neglect or emotional support and dealing with the present challenges of low self-esteem/awareness, economic and opportunity stagnation or inavailability, stress and other problems. This individual is not an island. This person is someone's child, spouse or parent, as well as, a needed member of their community. The impact of their substance abuse on their respective relationships is substantial and damaging. The family unit is eroded and community is incomplete. The criminal behavior of the addict is heightened as they engage in different criminal acts to get their "fix." Those crimes include, but are limited not: sexual vices, child neglect and abuse, theft, property damage and trespassing. They are effectively put out of commission by sporadic bouts of arrests, rehabiliation, child protective services investigations and interim disability. They initially sought escapism from their troubles, but their escape led to their virtual prison, incarcerating them to a hard to escape hell of delusions, compulsions and paranoia. They are, if they are hard-core addicts, trapped in drug-induced psychoses - hardly your typical revolutionary for changes. The children, the future generation, are now easily prey to Child Protective Services, the local county and/or state agency charged with their protection and advocay. These agencies, typical goverment bureaucracies, are manned with biased, prejudiced and heavy caseloaded case managers who routinely suffer from apathy and lack of concern. Their only concern is doing the minimal with each child so they can document their work hours accordingly. Many times, the child in care of CPS suffer from educational neglect, sexual and physical abuse, and prejudice. Drugs have so stressed the resources of CPS that children in custody are rushed into foster homes of people without adequate background checks or training. For a nice portion of foster parents, the children are a $500+ check used to bolster their monthly coffers. Many kids become a commodity. Many of these children because their parents could not complete their case plan and no qualifiable relatives came forth are left to languish in the foster care system until they runaway or "term out" at 18. A new cycle of drugs begins. I will continue later. My daughter is crying. Blackbird :darts: :bowl: I have said this over the years many times, but I don't think I have ever smashed a grandslam! I commend you, excellent, excellent! Peace! A007 02-19-2008, 09:20 AM You all missed this part "Don't misunderstand me...I know that there are alternatives to the drug trade and that the alternatives are more viable and lucrative in the long run than the drug trade" let me reiterate that I am not condoning the trade, in fact I am condemning it as it was a DIRECT AND DELIBERATE assault on our culture by officials who has white supremacy at heart. However, my stance remains clear, IF WE WERE ECONOMICALLY STABLE AND UNIFIED, it would have been impossible to do this. Again I ask, why didn't affect the affluent neighborhoods like it did our poor hoods? Because the MONEY provides better monitoring and protection by the so called "law enforcers". If money is not an issue for families and kids, then dealing drugs is not an issue for them either. The best defence is parenting! But guess what...there are PLENTY of parents who are TEACHING their children the drug trade BECAUSE they need (or want) money. And even when the parents aren't doing it, the streets are and the parents aren't doing anything about it. If you all do not believe the drug trade is about money...ask a dealer to do it for FREE and see how many there are!! You all are missing the point completely. The answer to the question is...YES it was used as warfare against our communities! The answer to HOW we eradicate it is....economic education, unity, and control of our own communities. Prizmm 02-19-2008, 01:12 PM Quote AOO7: The best defence is parenting! But guess what...there are PLENTY of parents who are TEACHING their children the drug trade BECAUSE they need (or want) money. And even when the parents aren't doing it, the streets are and the parents aren't doing anything about it. :fight: If this is so, it simply afffirms that some people don't deserve children and should never have become parents....I will not refer to a person who teaches their child to be predators against their own as 'parents' and they should not flatter themselves with that title either. Parents should teach their Offspring. They are in reality the first line of defense in terms of the childs development; but teaching them to become pariahs, predators, thugs as opposed to counter-racist, warriors for the good (in my opinion); THERE IS NO EXCUSE! these people are "sellouts" they are avaricious and concerned only with the god of materialism. Investing yourself in drug activites to buy above your means ( I have never owned a pair of Jordans, didn't buy them for my children either) is shameful! And an obvious reason why ...The Struggle Continues! Peace! hiphopolx 02-19-2008, 03:25 PM The drugs wouldn't be a problem if they were legal and controlled. OxyContin , Xanax, Vicodin, Ritalin etc. are just as bad as coke. How often do you hear about shootings and violent crimes involving these drugs. These drugs are said to be highly addictive. If someone got out of hand using these drugs they could simply go get help. Merck Inc. won't be shooting it's competition if they feel threatened and if someone could prove their drugs(major drug corp.) harmed them they could sue. The illusion is that the illegal drugs in our communities can't be controlled. I say if they really want to eliminate the crack problem, then legalize it. And watch how fast they will take control of it. Natinr 02-19-2008, 11:56 PM The drugs wouldn't be a problem if they were legal and controlled. OxyContin , Xanax, Vicodin, Ritalin etc. are just as bad as coke. How often do you hear about shootings and violent crimes involving these drugs. These drugs are said to be highly addictive. If someone got out of hand using these drugs they could simply go get help. Merck Inc. won't be shooting it's competition if they feel threatened and if someone could prove their drugs(major drug corp.) harmed them they could sue. The illusion is that the illegal drugs in our communities can't be controlled. I say if they really want to eliminate the crack problem, then legalize it. And watch how fast they will take control of it. You need to ask yourself, do Black folks take illegal drugs at times as a relief from a society that mutilates us spiritualy, culturally and economically????? then what would be the consequence of all the stressed out law abiding Black folks, now able to get HOOKED legally? You need to go to some web sites dealing with Mothers Against Drunk Driving!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! JUST CAUSE SOMETHING IS LEGAL, DON'T MEAN IT WON'T BE ABUSED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! AMSTERDAM IS SO FULL OF JUNKIES, THEY GOT INVOLUNTARY EUTHENASIA THERE!!!!!!!!!!! DO THE MATH!:qqb004: Agent_Jack 02-20-2008, 01:07 AM You need to ask yourself, do Black folks take illegal drugs at times as a relief from a society that mutilates us spiritualy, culturally and economically????? then what would be the consequence of all the stressed out law abiding Black folks, now able to get HOOKED legally? You need to go to some web sites dealing with Mothers Against Drunk Driving!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! JUST CAUSE SOMETHING IS LEGAL, DON'T MEAN IT WON'T BE ABUSED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! AMSTERDAM IS SO FULL OF JUNKIES, THEY GOT INVOLUNTARY EUTHENASIA THERE!!!!!!!!!!! DO THE MATH!:qqb004: I don't think you get it 4 real. You have sincere intentions and I love you for it, but you may not be in touch with what's really going on. PEACE. Natinr 02-20-2008, 09:56 AM I don't think you get it 4 real. You have sincere intentions and I love you for it, but you may not be in touch with what's really going on. PEACE. Bring your facts, I am always willing to learn Thank you Blackbird 02-20-2008, 09:58 PM It is nonsensical to argue whether drugs should be legalized or not. The bottomline is what impact do drugs, both legal or illegal, have on our communities? I, personally, believe the impact is diastrous and it extends far beyond the immediate effects of drug pusher (moneymaker) and drug user (zombie). It is more profound than what is readily apparent for anyone from the hood to testify and witness to as an outward expression. While constituting a problem within itself, drugs should also be viewed as one of many symptom to a far greater problem affecting our people. Any work involving our communities should take into consideration the role that drugs play and we should develop interventions to begin to come to terms with it use and deal with it in a constructive and positive way. Drug use is never recreational. We use drugs to escape from something. The invisible prisons that hold our minds and communities on 24-7 lockdown. The invention of the Afro-American myth. We need re-education, re-programming, because there is a myth circulating in our communities that all drugs are not equal. Crack cocaine is far worse than a little weed smoke. Oh really. Get for real. Marijuana addiction constitutes one the greatest addictions in our community and should be rightly addressed as so. At a substance abuse level, our people should be debriefed of those thinking errors. Drugs do one of two things or both of them: take away from what you already have or inhibit you from progressing. So many young people can not function without toking on at least blunt a day. We drive smoking blunts, talk smoking blunts, take breaks at work smoking blunts, have sex smoking blunts, read smoking blunts, have sex smoking blunts and raise our kids smoking blunts. Until, due to our highness, something happens to our child and CPS enters the scene and find out we been smoking blunts. We get slapped with a case plan and fail to get our kids back smoking blunts. Yes, it's indicative of a far more serious problem but drugs need to be addressed along with the other caseload of problems we face. Maybe I'm too passionate this issue. My wife is a substance abuse counselor for adolescent offenders and does social summaries for children in the custody of CPS. Many of those children are our kids. I also provide outreach services for juvenile prostitutes, gang members and other kids in the juvenile justice system, as well as, future community education programming. Blackbird Natinr 02-21-2008, 12:53 AM It is nonsensical to argue whether drugs should be legalized or not. The bottomline is what impact do drugs, both legal or illegal, have on our communities? I, personally, believe the impact is diastrous and it extends far beyond the immediate effects of drug pusher (moneymaker) and drug user (zombie). It is more profound than what is readily apparent for anyone from the hood to testify and witness to as an outward expression. While constituting a problem within itself, drugs should also be viewed as one of many symptom to a far greater problem affecting our people. Any work involving our communities should take into consideration the role that drugs play and we should develop interventions to begin to come to terms with it use and deal with it in a constructive and positive way. Drug use is never recreational. We use drugs to escape from something. The invisible prisons that hold our minds and communities on 24-7 lockdown. The invention of the Afro-American myth. We need re-education, re-programming, because there is a myth circulating in our communities that all drugs are not equal. Crack cocaine is far worse than a little weed smoke. Oh really. Get for real. Marijuana addiction constitutes one the greatest addictions in our community and should be rightly addressed as so. At a substance abuse level, our people should be debriefed of those thinking errors. Drugs do one of two things or both of them: take away from what you already have or inhibit you from progressing. So many young people can not function without toking on at least blunt a day. We drive smoking blunts, talk smoking blunts, take breaks at work smoking blunts, have sex smoking blunts, read smoking blunts, have sex smoking blunts and raise our kids smoking blunts. Until, due to our highness, something happens to our child and CPS enters the scene and find out we been smoking blunts. We get slapped with a case plan and fail to get our kids back smoking blunts. Yes, it's indicative of a far more serious problem but drugs need to be addressed along with the other caseload of problems we face. Maybe I'm too passionate this issue. My wife is a substance abuse counselor for adolescent offenders and does social summaries for children in the custody of CPS. Many of those children are our kids. I also provide outreach services for juvenile prostitutes, gang members and other kids in the juvenile justice system, as well as, future community education programming. Blackbird And God Bless you Brother, you make the ancestors smile cause you express that wisdom, your intensity literally saves lives on a spiritual level that definately will be manifest in all who read your postes!!!!!!!1:toast: :toast: :toast: :lift: :lift: :lift: :number1: hiphopolx 02-21-2008, 06:07 AM Bring your facts, I am always willing to learn Thank you From the Dutch Embassy web site August 6, 1998 http://www.netherlands-embassy.org/drug-inf.htm Press, Public and Cultural Affairs Drug Policy and Crime Statistics Recent accounts in the U.S. press about the Netherlands drug policy have included incorrect and misleading statistics about drug use and drug-related crimes in the Netherlands. What follows is a short list of facts and comparisons to refute those accounts and sources are given to permit and encourage third party verification of facts. Last month use of cannabis (marijuana) by high school seniors: 18.1% in the Netherlands (1996); 23.7% in the U.S. (1997). (Sources: The Trimbos Institute, Amsterdam, the Netherlands; Monitoring the Future Survey, University of Michigan and White House Office of National Drug Control Policy) Any lifetime use (prevalence) of cannabis by older teens (1994): 30% in the Netherlands; 38% in the U.S. (Sources: Center for Drug Research, University of Amsterdam; Monitoring the Future Survey, University of Michigan and White House Office of National Drug Control Policy) Recent (last month) use of cannabis by 15 year olds (in 1995): 15% in the Netherlands; 16% in the U.S.; 24% in the U.K. (Sources: Trimbos Institute, Amsterdam, the Netherlands; Monitoring the Future Survey, University of Michigan and White House Office of National Drug Control Policy; Council of Europe, ESPAD Report) Any lifetime use of cannabis by 15 year olds (in 1995): 29% in the Netherlands; 34% in the U.S.; 41% in the U.K. (Sources: Netherlands Institute of Health and Addiction, U.S. National Institute for Drug Abuse; Council of Europe, ESPAD Report) Heroine addicts as a percentage of population (in 1995): 160 per 100,000 in the Netherlands; 430 per 100,000 in the U.S. (Sources: Netherlands Ministry of Health, Welfare and Sport; White House Office of National Drug Control Policy) Murder rate as a percentage of population (in 1996): 1.8 per 100,000 in the Netherlands; 8.22 in the U.S. (Sources: Netherlands Bureau of Statistics; White House Office of National Drug Control Policy) Incarceration rate as a percentage of population (1997): 73 per 100,000 in the Netherlands; 645 per 100,000 in the U.S. (Sources: Netherlands Ministry of Justice; White House Office of National Drug Control Strategy) Crime-related deaths as a percentage of population: 1.2 per 100,000 in the Netherlands (1994); 8.2 per 100,000 in the U.S. (1995). (Sources: World Health Organization; Uniform Crime Reports, U.S. Federal Bureau of Investigation) Per capita spending on drug-related law enforcement: $27 per capita in the Netherlands; $81 per capita in the U.S. (Sources: Netherlands Ministry of Justice; White House Office of National Drug Control Strategy) DUTCH CRIME STATS: Top Stats All Stats View this page with: Just Stats Sources Definitions Both Assaults 44,129 [14th of 57] Car thefts 38,320 [14th of 55] Drug offences 47 per 100,000 people [20th of 34] Murders 183 [40th of 62] Prisoners 18,242 prisoners [48th of 164] Rape victims 0.8% [7th of 20] Rapes 1,648 [20th of 65] Rapes (per capita) 0.100445 per 1,000 people [22nd of 65] Total crimes 1,305,640 [14th of 60] Total crimes (per capita) 79.5779 per 1,000 people [9th of 60] SOURCES: Seventh United Nations Survey of Crime Trends and Operations of Criminal Justice Systems, covering the period 1998 - 2000 (United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime, Centre for International Crime Prevention); UNODC; UNICRI (United Nations Interregional Crime and Justice Research Institute). 2002. Correspondence on data on crime victims. March. Turin; International Centre for Prison Studies - World Prison Brief AMERICAN CRIME STATS: Top Stats All Stats View this page with: Just Stats Sources Definitions Both Assaults 2,238,480 [1st of 57] Car thefts 1,147,300 [1st of 55] Drug offences 560.1 per 100,000 people [4th of 34] Illicit drugs world's largest consumer of cocaine, shipped from Colombia through Mexico and the Caribbean; consumer of ecstasy and of Mexican heroin, marijuana and methamphetamine; minor consumer of high-quality Southeast Asian heroin; illicit producer of cannabis, marijuana, depressants, stimulants, hallucinogens, and methamphetamine; money-laundering center Murders 12,658 [6th of 62] Murders with firearms 8,259 [4th of 32] Murders with firearms (per capita) 0.0279271 per 1,000 people [8th of 32] Rapes 89,110 [1st of 65] Rapes (per capita) 0.301318 per 1,000 people [9th of 65] Total crimes 23,677,800 [1st of 60] SOURCES: Seventh United Nations Survey of Crime Trends and Operations of Criminal Justice Systems, covering the period 1998 - 2000 (United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime, Centre for International Crime Prevention); UNODC; CIA World Factbook, 14 June, 2007 Interesting facts on American Crime * Russia has almost twice as many judges and magistrates as the United States. Meanwhile, the United States has 8 times as much crime. * The United States puts 0.7 % of its population in Prison - a vastly higher percentage than any other nation. Natinr You need to ask yourself, do Black folks take illegal drugs at times as a relief from a society that mutilates us spiritualy, culturally and economically????? then what would be the consequence of all the stressed out law abiding Black folks, now able to get HOOKED legally? They'd get help not jail time You need to go to some web sites dealing with Mothers Against Drunk Driving!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! There you go sending me off to go reading again. http://destee.com/forums/showpost.php?p=504609&postcount=33 LOL JUST CAUSE SOMETHING IS LEGAL, DON'T MEAN IT WON'T BE ABUSED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You are correct. Who said other wise? Maybe I could talk to'em AMSTERDAM IS SO FULL OF JUNKIES, THEY GOT INVOLUNTARY EUTHENASIA THERE!!!!!!!!!!! What ever they got over there, it's worst here, according to the math, DO THE MATH! It has been DONE. Hotep Keita Kenyatta 02-21-2008, 08:27 AM I also agree that the use of drugs in our communities speak of a greater problem that is the direct result of the impact of white supremacy. You know, almost all educated black psychologist who are African oriented also admit that; "tell me the drug they are using and they can tell you what the social, psychological, systemic or over all internalized pressure is that the person is going through that has so many of our people "self medicating" to try and handle what they lack the strength, support system or will to "consciously deal with". Mind you, this is not 100% or absolute but it covers a very large segment. Natinr 02-21-2008, 08:40 AM From the Dutch Embassy web site August 6, 1998 http://www.netherlands-embassy.org/drug-inf.htm Press, Public and Cultural Affairs Drug Policy and Crime Statistics Recent accounts in the U.S. press about the Netherlands drug policy have included incorrect and misleading statistics about drug use and drug-related crimes in the Netherlands. What follows is a short list of facts and comparisons to refute those accounts and sources are given to permit and encourage third party verification of facts. Last month use of cannabis (marijuana) by high school seniors: 18.1% in the Netherlands (1996); 23.7% in the U.S. (1997). (Sources: The Trimbos Institute, Amsterdam, the Netherlands; Monitoring the Future Survey, University of Michigan and White House Office of National Drug Control Policy) Any lifetime use (prevalence) of cannabis by older teens (1994): 30% in the Netherlands; 38% in the U.S. (Sources: Center for Drug Research, University of Amsterdam; Monitoring the Future Survey, University of Michigan and White House Office of National Drug Control Policy) Recent (last month) use of cannabis by 15 year olds (in 1995): 15% in the Netherlands; 16% in the U.S.; 24% in the U.K. (Sources: Trimbos Institute, Amsterdam, the Netherlands; Monitoring the Future Survey, University of Michigan and White House Office of National Drug Control Policy; Council of Europe, ESPAD Report) Any lifetime use of cannabis by 15 year olds (in 1995): 29% in the Netherlands; 34% in the U.S.; 41% in the U.K. (Sources: Netherlands Institute of Health and Addiction, U.S. National Institute for Drug Abuse; Council of Europe, ESPAD Report) Heroine addicts as a percentage of population (in 1995): 160 per 100,000 in the Netherlands; 430 per 100,000 in the U.S. (Sources: Netherlands Ministry of Health, Welfare and Sport; White House Office of National Drug Control Policy) Murder rate as a percentage of population (in 1996): 1.8 per 100,000 in the Netherlands; 8.22 in the U.S. (Sources: Netherlands Bureau of Statistics; White House Office of National Drug Control Policy) Incarceration rate as a percentage of population (1997): 73 per 100,000 in the Netherlands; 645 per 100,000 in the U.S. (Sources: Netherlands Ministry of Justice; White House Office of National Drug Control Strategy) Crime-related deaths as a percentage of population: 1.2 per 100,000 in the Netherlands (1994); 8.2 per 100,000 in the U.S. (1995). (Sources: World Health Organization; Uniform Crime Reports, U.S. Federal Bureau of Investigation) Per capita spending on drug-related law enforcement: $27 per capita in the Netherlands; $81 per capita in the U.S. (Sources: Netherlands Ministry of Justice; White House Office of National Drug Control Strategy) DUTCH CRIME STATS: Top Stats All Stats View this page with: Just Stats Sources Definitions Both Assaults 44,129 [14th of 57] Car thefts 38,320 [14th of 55] Drug offences 47 per 100,000 people [20th of 34] Murders 183 [40th of 62] Prisoners 18,242 prisoners [48th of 164] Rape victims 0.8% [7th of 20] Rapes 1,648 [20th of 65] Rapes (per capita) 0.100445 per 1,000 people [22nd of 65] Total crimes 1,305,640 [14th of 60] Total crimes (per capita) 79.5779 per 1,000 people [9th of 60] SOURCES: Seventh United Nations Survey of Crime Trends and Operations of Criminal Justice Systems, covering the period 1998 - 2000 (United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime, Centre for International Crime Prevention); UNODC; UNICRI (United Nations Interregional Crime and Justice Research Institute). 2002. Correspondence on data on crime victims. March. Turin; International Centre for Prison Studies - World Prison Brief AMERICAN CRIME STATS: Top Stats All Stats View this page with: Just Stats Sources Definitions Both Assaults 2,238,480 [1st of 57] Car thefts 1,147,300 [1st of 55] Drug offences 560.1 per 100,000 people [4th of 34] Illicit drugs world's largest consumer of cocaine, shipped from Colombia through Mexico and the Caribbean; consumer of ecstasy and of Mexican heroin, marijuana and methamphetamine; minor consumer of high-quality Southeast Asian heroin; illicit producer of cannabis, marijuana, depressants, stimulants, hallucinogens, and methamphetamine; money-laundering center Murders 12,658 [6th of 62] Murders with firearms 8,259 [4th of 32] Murders with firearms (per capita) 0.0279271 per 1,000 people [8th of 32] Rapes 89,110 [1st of 65] Rapes (per capita) 0.301318 per 1,000 people [9th of 65] Total crimes 23,677,800 [1st of 60] SOURCES: Seventh United Nations Survey of Crime Trends and Operations of Criminal Justice Systems, covering the period 1998 - 2000 (United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime, Centre for International Crime Prevention); UNODC; CIA World Factbook, 14 June, 2007 Interesting facts on American Crime * Russia has almost twice as many judges and magistrates as the United States. Meanwhile, the United States has 8 times as much crime. * The United States puts 0.7 % of its population in Prison - a vastly higher percentage than any other nation. Natinr You need to ask yourself, do Black folks take illegal drugs at times as a relief from a society that mutilates us spiritualy, culturally and economically????? then what would be the consequence of all the stressed out law abiding Black folks, now able to get HOOKED legally? They'd get help not jail time You need to go to some web sites dealing with Mothers Against Drunk Driving!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! There you go sending me off to go reading again. http://destee.com/forums/showpost.php?p=504609&postcount=33 LOL JUST CAUSE SOMETHING IS LEGAL, DON'T MEAN IT WON'T BE ABUSED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You are correct. Who said other wise? Maybe I could talk to'em AMSTERDAM IS SO FULL OF JUNKIES, THEY GOT INVOLUNTARY EUTHENASIA THERE!!!!!!!!!!! What ever they got over there, it's worst here, according to the math, DO THE MATH! It has been DONE. Hotep when you leave out one small detail RACE, which unfortunatey your ever, ever, so hard work fails to break downthe demographic to what is germain to this board Black and White and we are concerned only with Black, now go back to google and I wil see you in a little while :whip: hiphopolx 02-21-2008, 12:01 PM when you leave out one small detail RACE, which unfortunatey your ever, ever, so hard work fails to break downthe demographic to what is germain to this board Black and White and we are concerned only with Black, now go back to google and I wil see you in a little while :whip: Natinr ''AMSTERDAM IS SO FULL OF JUNKIES, THEY GOT INVOLUNTARY EUTHENASIA THERE!!!!!!!!!!!'' Nuff said:SuN043: hiphopolx 02-21-2008, 01:20 PM The law of Ausar states that Man must not have no preferences, and must be impartial and equal to all people and events. It must be realized that no one or no situation can be against one. This is the true meaning of Selflessness, and At-Onement, and establishes the foundation to spiritually share in God's omniscience and onipotence (to be able to spiritually affect others because we are a part of them and they us!) For those of us whom think differently from the popular thoughts you are alone. Hotep :read: Natinr 02-21-2008, 02:41 PM The law of Ausar states that Man must not have no preferences, and must be impartial and equal to all people and events. It must be realized that no one or no situation can be against one. This is the true meaning of Selflessness, and At-Onement, and establishes the foundation to spiritually share in God's omniscience and onipotence (to be able to spiritually affect others because we are a part of them and they us!) For those of us whom think differently from the popular thoughts you are alone. Hotep :read: on the Black community which is religiously diverse, Malcom said we don't catch hel due to our religion we catch hel cause we are Black, so like if you got to go the religion route with a discourse regarding warfare on a religiously diverse community that sounds a bit desperate in my opinion Zulile 02-21-2008, 03:11 PM Natinr - amsterdam is not full of addicts - the city is full of tourists sampling the wares and legal prostitution. Blackbird 02-21-2008, 05:02 PM To what degree you believe the impact of drugs have on our communities? Blackbird hiphopolx 02-21-2008, 11:44 PM on the Black community which is religiously diverse, Malcom said we don't catch hel due to our religion we catch hel cause we are Black, so like if you got to go the religion route with a discourse regarding warfare on a religiously diverse community that sounds a bit desperate in my opinion I didn't consider my action a religious one. It was more intuitive of an action than what your humble opinion expressed. |
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