found online at: http://igbokwenu.wikispaces.com/Igbo+Spirituality+101

The spiritual system of Ndi Igbo (the Igbo people) is one of the oldest on Earth. The roots of Igbo spirituality is the same as the roots of every other African one; that is, in Africa. Igbo spirituality predates Islam, Christianity, Judaism and every other -ism that one can think of. If there are any similarities between the traditional practices of the Igbo and those of other religions, it is because they were borrowed from our ancestors, and not the other way around.

The ancient spirituality of the Ndi Igbo, like most other traditional African spiritual systems, has been misunderstood and demonized unjustly. Evangelical churches, with the help of Nollywood movies, have helped to paint a negative picture of traditional Igbo spirituality that dates back to the arrival of the Europeans in Alaigbo (Igboland). It is quite unfortunate that most of the people who condemn Igbo spirituality do not know much about it, and base their most of their information from the lies of the very same people who wanted to destroy it and everything about our culture. While all the misconceptions about the traditional practices cannot be corrected in one article, this introduction to Igbo Spirituality will help clear a few things up.

The basis of Igbo Spirituality is the concept of “Chi.” Similar to the “Ori” of the Yoruba, and the “Ka” of Ancient Egyptians, Chi was the fundamental force of creation. Everyone and everything has a Chi. Ndi Igbo, like other Africans, worshiped one Creator, who is known by many names: Obasi Dielu (The Supreme God), Chi di ebere (God the merciful), Odenigwe (The Ruler of Heavens), etc. The two most popular names for Supreme Being used in Alaigbo were Chukwu and Chineke. The dominant name, Chukwu, which is a combination of the Igbo words “Chi” and “Ukwu”, literally means “The Big Chi”, and shows that Igbos believed that the Supreme Being was omnipresent and all-pervading. Chineke, which most people translate as “God the Creator” actually has a deeper meaning. Chi is the masculine aspect of God and Eke is the feminine aspect. Ndi Igbo knew that it took male and female to create life, so the Creator of everything would have to encompass both parts.

Because Ndi Igbo believed that everything in it had a chi, they also gave names to the Chi found in nature (the Alusi). The Alusi of the sky was known as Igwe. The Alusi of the yams (the most important crop of Ndi Igbo) was called Ahiajoku. The Alusi of the Sun was called Anyanwu. The most important of the forces of Nature was Ani, which was the feminine force that presided over the Earth. The Alusi were not limited to natural forces; metaphysical and supernatural forces and principles also had their own names and attributes. Ikenga was the Alusi of strength and Agwu was the Alusi of wisdom and healing. Each Alusi had its invididual personality and function, but they all were still parts of Chukwu.

The Ndiichie (esteemed ancestor spirits) also held a high place in traditional Igbo society. Elders have always been revered in Igbo society, and even more so after they passed onto Be Mmuo (the land of the spirits). The Nddichie would often be consulted to offer advice to their descendants and appeal to the Alusi on their behalf. Ndi Igbo have never worshiped their ancestors, only venerated them, which is no different then what Catholics do to their saints or what every country does to its national heroes. Respect and honor for the Nddichie was shown in one way by pouring of libations while chanting incantations. Ndi Igbo believed in the concept of reincarnation, and felt that the Nddiichie often reincarnated back on Earth. In fact, all Mmadu (human beings) were believed to reincarnate seven or eight times, and that depending on your karma, one either ascends or descends into another spiritual plane.

The personal relationship between God and Man in Igbo spirituality is as close as it can get. Ndi Igbo did not believe that they were separate from their Creator, and felt that the Chi that resided within them kept them connected. Igbo felt that their Chi was unique and personal and served as a guide and protector to them. A person’s destiny was also guided by their Chi. Those with a strong Chi would have prosperity, good health and good fortune, while those with a weak Chi would be prone to sickness, poverty and bad luck.

Even though the Igbo are largely Christian now, their traditional spiritual beliefs still live on. Along with these beliefs, a fundamental part of Igbo philosophy was “Biri Ka'm Biri” (live and let live). Ndi Igbo did not believe in fighting wars over religion. In their view, everybody should be able to worship God as they see fit. If there is any lesson from Igbo spirituality that we must not forget, it is this one.
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Thanks.

Very Interesting!!
good stuff,

Igbo Kwenu

Igbo Kwezuonu




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The Osu Caste System in Igboland Discrimination Based on Descent

By
Victor E. Dike

Introduction

The Igbos are found mostly in the Southeastern and South-central Nigeria called Igboland or Igbo society (Alaigbo or Anaigbo). By the late 20th century the population of the Igbos are about 27 million.1 The majority of the Igbos are Christians, but some of them practice the indigenous traditional religion, whose major tenets are shared by all Igbo-speaking people of Nigeria (Uchendu 1965). The traditional religion is passed on to succeeding generations, but the advent of Christianity in Igboland around "1885" had some influence on the traditional beliefs (Talbot 1969). The indigenous traditionalists believe in the earth goddess, deities and ancestral spirits and in a Creator-God, Chukwu, Obasi, Chi, or Chineke, the "Supreme God" (Achebe 1959). The Igbo traditional beliefs have some positive influence on the culture and social lives of the people. For instance, the forefathers of the Igbos were known for their righteousness, honesty and hard work. And they were opinion leaders, impartial judges and people of impeccable character.

However, a relic of the indigenous religious practice of the Igbos is the dehumanizing Osu caste system, which has divided and alienated the Igbos.

Therefore, this paper discusses the Osu caste system, an indigenous religious belief system, practiced within the Igbo nation, with the purpose of bringing the discriminatory, dehumanizing and obnoxious Osu caste system to the attention of the international community. This is because whenever issues of discriminatory practices around the world are tabled for discussion in the international community the repugnant and discriminatory Osu caste system is never mentioned.....

The Osu Caste System and the Indigenous Religious Practices of the Igbo nation

All human beings are created equal, but human experiences are heterogeneous. Some people have had it rough all their life on earth, while others do not have a lot to complain about. Naturally, life has the same meaning for everyone, but the Osu caste system in Igboland seems to have changed the meaning of life for a group of people branded Osu. No historical question gives the Igbos more concern than that of, "How did the Osu caste system come to be in Igboland?" This section of the paper attempts to deal with the question.

There are many versions of oral information on the origins of the Osu caste system. In the absence of documented information, oral sources are central to the study of history in Igboland, and other parts of Nigeria. There is a paucity of written information on the issue of the Osu caste system. This is apparently because many people shy away from discussing the issue for fear of being branded Osu lovers. However, available little documented information show that the Osu caste system started out of the indigenous religious practices of the Igbos....


COMPLETE ARTICLE HERE (http://www.nigerdeltacongress.com/oarticles/osu_caste_system_in_igboland%20D.htm)

In this article we can see why the Afrikans brought over to the new world as slaves were able to create a new religion mixing several together. They are all based on the same theology, for one thing, and they accepted other beliefs as legit. There was no feeling of religious superiority nor any conception that one would force another to practice the other's religion, like the evil twins christianity and islam.
This is a very positive message, regardless of whether people like cherryblossom want to do the massa's work and throw some negative ish into the mix. Thanks, Onyemobi.

ase
found online at: http://igbokwenu.wikispaces.com/Igbo+Spirituality+101

The spiritual system of Ndi Igbo (the Igbo people) is one of the oldest on Earth. The roots of Igbo spirituality is the same as the roots of every other African one; that is, in Africa. Igbo spirituality predates Islam, Christianity, Judaism and every other -ism that one can think of. If there are any similarities between the traditional practices of the Igbo and those of other religions, it is because they were borrowed from our ancestors, and not the other way around.

The ancient spirituality of the Ndi Igbo, like most other traditional African spiritual systems, has been misunderstood and demonized unjustly. Evangelical churches, with the help of Nollywood movies, have helped to paint a negative picture of traditional Igbo spirituality that dates back to the arrival of the Europeans in Alaigbo (Igboland). It is quite unfortunate that most of the people who condemn Igbo spirituality do not know much about it, and base their most of their information from the lies of the very same people who wanted to destroy it and everything about our culture. While all the misconceptions about the traditional practices cannot be corrected in one article, this introduction to Igbo Spirituality will help clear a few things up.

The basis of Igbo Spirituality is the concept of “Chi.” Similar to the “Ori” of the Yoruba, and the “Ka” of Ancient Egyptians, Chi was the fundamental force of creation. Everyone and everything has a Chi. Ndi Igbo, like other Africans, worshiped one Creator, who is known by many names: Obasi Dielu (The Supreme God), Chi di ebere (God the merciful), Odenigwe (The Ruler of Heavens), etc. The two most popular names for Supreme Being used in Alaigbo were Chukwu and Chineke. The dominant name, Chukwu, which is a combination of the Igbo words “Chi” and “Ukwu”, literally means “The Big Chi”, and shows that Igbos believed that the Supreme Being was omnipresent and all-pervading. Chineke, which most people translate as “God the Creator” actually has a deeper meaning. Chi is the masculine aspect of God and Eke is the feminine aspect. Ndi Igbo knew that it took male and female to create life, so the Creator of everything would have to encompass both parts.

Because Ndi Igbo believed that everything in it had a chi, they also gave names to the Chi found in nature (the Alusi). The Alusi of the sky was known as Igwe. The Alusi of the yams (the most important crop of Ndi Igbo) was called Ahiajoku. The Alusi of the Sun was called Anyanwu. The most important of the forces of Nature was Ani, which was the feminine force that presided over the Earth. The Alusi were not limited to natural forces; metaphysical and supernatural forces and principles also had their own names and attributes. Ikenga was the Alusi of strength and Agwu was the Alusi of wisdom and healing. Each Alusi had its invididual personality and function, but they all were still parts of Chukwu.

The Ndiichie (esteemed ancestor spirits) also held a high place in traditional Igbo society. Elders have always been revered in Igbo society, and even more so after they passed onto Be Mmuo (the land of the spirits). The Nddichie would often be consulted to offer advice to their descendants and appeal to the Alusi on their behalf. Ndi Igbo have never worshiped their ancestors, only venerated them, which is no different then what Catholics do to their saints or what every country does to its national heroes. Respect and honor for the Nddichie was shown in one way by pouring of libations while chanting incantations. Ndi Igbo believed in the concept of reincarnation, and felt that the Nddiichie often reincarnated back on Earth. In fact, all Mmadu (human beings) were believed to reincarnate seven or eight times, and that depending on your karma, one either ascends or descends into another spiritual plane.

The personal relationship between God and Man in Igbo spirituality is as close as it can get. Ndi Igbo did not believe that they were separate from their Creator, and felt that the Chi that resided within them kept them connected. Igbo felt that their Chi was unique and personal and served as a guide and protector to them. A person’s destiny was also guided by their Chi. Those with a strong Chi would have prosperity, good health and good fortune, while those with a weak Chi would be prone to sickness, poverty and bad luck.

Even though the Igbo are largely Christian now, their traditional spiritual beliefs still live on. Along with these beliefs, a fundamental part of Igbo philosophy was “Biri Ka'm Biri” (live and let live). Ndi Igbo did not believe in fighting wars over religion. In their view, everybody should be able to worship God as they see fit. If there is any lesson from Igbo spirituality that we must not forget, it is this one.__________________

In this article we can see why the Afrikans brought over to the new world as slaves were able to create a new religion mixing several together. They are all based on the same theology, for one thing, and they accepted other beliefs as legit. There was no feeling of religious superiority nor any conception that one would force another to practice the other's religion, like the evil twins christianity and islam.

This is a very positive message, regardless of whether people like cherryblossom want to do the massa's work and throw some negative ish into the mix. Thanks, Onyemobi.

ase

Look, Awo Dino.

I'm not "throwing some negative ish" nor doing "massa's work."

From what I've also read from African accounts, the Osu caste system in Nigeria has been in existence for many centuries.

Sister Cherryblossom, that there was/is caste in Africa, and many other places in the world is not news. What could possibly be your motivation to post that negative article after the positive one. It's sickening how y'all do the massa's work countering anything positive coming out of Africa. What's equally sickening is how you deny it. I have called out both christians and non-christians for coming at the other sideways with there passive-agressive bs. Come straight. Don't tell me you were just sharing some info, blah blah blah. It's obvious, and it's your right. just come straight. There is a caste system right here in the good ole' U.S. within the church.
I know you are a good person, so whydo you do this?

Look, Awo Dino.

I'm not "throwing some negative ish" nor doing "massa's work."

From what I've also read from African accounts, the Osu caste system in Nigeria has been in existence for many centuries.

Look, Awo Dino.

I'm not "throwing some negative ish" nor doing "massa's work."

From what I've also read from African accounts, the Osu caste system in Nigeria has been in existence for many centuries.







From my understanding, it was not a "caste system" until the slave trade (which is alluded to in the article by the way). Prior to that, Osus were essentially like employees to the priests. And I also think a topic like this deserves a thread of its own, rather then being posted in this one.

Sister Cherryblossom, that there was/is caste in Africa, and many other places in the world is not news. What could possibly be your motivation to post that negative article after the positive one. It's sickening how y'all do the massa's work countering anything positive coming out of Africa. What's equally sickening is how you deny it. I have called out both christians and non-christians for coming at the other sideways with there passive-agressive bs. Come straight. Don't tell me you were just sharing some info, blah blah blah. It's obvious, and it's your right. just come straight. There is a caste system right here in the good ole' U.S. within the church.
I know you are a good person, so whydo you do this?

Is the Osu Caste System a part of the Igbo spirituality? YES or NO?

Is the Osu Caste System a part of the Igbo spirituality? YES or NO?

Ironically, it seems to be more of a part of Igbo Christianity then the traditional Igbo spirituality.

Is the Osu Caste System a part of the Igbo spirituality? YES or NO?

Dear sister, try to understand this. The parts cannnot be separated and analysed in that fashion. So your question needs to be reformulated. Let's say that the caste system is part of the political-economy. But, we cannot separate religion from the political-economy or the culture in general. It (religion) is embedded in the culture.
So what's your point?
Igbo spirituality is bad because in Igbo society there exists a so-called caste system?
Afrikans are inferior to the euro-christian, because the euro christian doesn't have a caste system? (just a poverty creating one)

If you read the article, you would have been able to answer your own question. The answer is right there, for everyone to see.

From my understanding, it was not a "caste system" until the slave trade (which is alluded to in the article by the way). Prior to that, Osus were essentially like employees to the priests. And I also think a topic like this deserves a thread of its own, rather then being posted in this one.

This is the "Spirituality/Religion" Forum. Anyone can post to any thread in this forum.

If you wanted this to be EXCLUSIVE to adherents of this belief, then you should ask a Moderator to MOVE IT to the ATR study sub-forum.

Yes, the article does stipulate the affects of Colonialism.

However, prior to the slave trade, did this "system" in Igboland practice human sacrifices of the "employees to the priests?" When Igbo Chieftains died, were these "employees to the priests" sacrificed to "serve them" in death?

Also, prior to the slave trade, did the Igbo view twin births as "evil?"
Prior to the slave trade, were twin babies killed because of this belief?
Were the mothers who gave birth to twins ostracized within the Igbo community?

Please correct or enlighten me if any of this is not true to Igbo spirituality.

This is the "Spirituality/Religion" Forum. Anyone can post to any thread in this forum.


I didn't really care if you post it or not, I just said that it would have been appropriate in its own topic. What you did was the equivalent of me posting articles about the Inquisition and Crusades in any topic related to Christianity.


If you wanted this to be EXCLUSIVE to adherents of this belief, then you should ask a Moderator to MOVE IT to the ATR study sub-forum.

Its obviously not written for people who practice it, or else it would not be called "Igbo Spirituality 101"


Yes, the article does stipulate the affects of Colonialism.


Well that answers your question right there. Perhaps it should be moved to the Christianity section, since its Christians who are doing the damage, not the traditionalists.


However, prior to the slave trade, did this "system" in Igboland practice human sacrifices of the "employees to the priests?"


To the best of my knowledge no. The only people that were sacrificed were people who committed alu (abominations).


When Igbo Chieftains died, were these "employees to the priests" sacrificed to "serve them" in death?


I've heard that before, but haven't seen any type of evidence to support it.


Also, prior to the slave trade, did the Igbo view twin births as "evil?"


In some communities, multiple births were viewed as taboo.


Prior to the slave trade, were twin babies killed because of this belief?


No, they were left in the "evil forest"


Were the mothers who gave birth to twins ostracized within the Igbo community?


Yes, until they were given a ritual cleansing.

Sister Cherryblossom, that there was/is caste in Africa, and many other places in the world is not news. What could possibly be your motivation to post that negative article after the positive one.

It's sickening how y'all do the massa's work countering anything positive coming out of Africa. What's equally sickening is how you deny it. I have called out both christians and non-christians for coming at the other sideways with there passive-agressive bs.

Come straight. Don't tell me you were just sharing some info, blah blah blah. It's obvious, and it's your right. just come straight. There is a caste system right here in the good ole' U.S. within the church.

I know you are a good person, so why do you do this?

Soooo, because this is viewed as "negative," it shouldn't be shared?

And because I, a Christian, shared it, I gotta be "doing massa's work?"

So, following your own line of reasoning here, if I am being "passive-aggressive" here, just as you and others have done towards Christianity, then you (and they) are also "doing massa's work."

If that is the prerequisite, then you are also guilty of "doing massa's work" and 'throwing negative ish into the mix.'

So, get offa your high horse here. You can't take the "moral high road" here.

Talking 'bout you've called out others for their b.s.

COME STRAIGHT about your own.

And don't try that weak psychology on me with that "I know you are a good person." LMBO!

But, you just got through saying that I do "massa's work" and "throw negative ish into the mix, right?"

But, NOW, all of a sudden I'm a "good person?!" :lol:


Whew!....You should take this act on the road! :lol:

I didn't really care if you post it or not, I just said that it would have been appropriate in its own topic.

What you did was the equivalent of me posting articles about the Inquisition and Crusades in any topic related to Christianity.


No, it's not.

This is an OPEN forum. It is not restricted like the "STUDY SUB-FORUMS."

So, if you posted an article in any Christianity topic in THIS forum, it would not be inappropriate nor a rule violation.

Yes, my post was controversial.

But, it wasn't disrespectful nor a rule violation just to post it here.


And thank you for that information.

What is the "evil forest" and were they left there to die?

No, it's not.

This is an OPEN forum. It is not restricted like the "STUDY SUB-FORUMS."

So, if you posted an article in any Christianity topic in THIS forum, it would not be inappropriate nor a rule violation.

Yes, my post was controversial.

But, it wasn't disrespectful nor a rule violation just to post it here.


I didn't say it was any of the above. It was just bad decorum, and not something I would do, but hey whatever.


What is the "evil forest" and were they left there to die?

The place where the bodies of people who died very unnatural deaths were left. And yes, they were left to die.

I didn't say it was any of the above. It was just bad decorum, and not something I would do, but hey whatever.

The place where the bodies of people who died very unnatural deaths were left. And yes, they were left to die.


Yeah, different strokes for different folks......

Were both of the twins taken to the "evil forest" or only one?

How were their deaths "unnatural?"...Were they injured in some way and then taken to the "evil forest" to finish dying?

Were both of the twins taken to the "evil forest" or only one?


Both.


How were their deaths "unnatural?"...Were they injured in some way and then taken to the "evil forest" to finish dying?

One example would be people who were struck by lightning. They were said to be punished by Amadioha, who is our god of thunder.

Both.



One example would be people who were struck by lightning. They were said to be punished by Amadioha, who is our god of thunder.


How did the twins die an "unnatural death?"

Were they first injured in some way and then taken to the "evil forest" to finish dying?

Were their necks broken, throats cut, allowed to bleed out from the umbilical cord?.....How did the twin newborns die an "unnatural death?"

How did the twins die an "unnatural death?"

Were they first injured in some way and then taken to the "evil forest" to finish dying?

Were their necks broken, throats cut, allowed to bleed out from the umbilical cord?.....How did the twin newborns die an "unnatural death?"

I don't know all the details. But I know that they were left to die in the evil forest. Its not one part of my traditional culture I agree with, but I don't deny that such things did occur.

I don't know all the details. But I know that they were left to die in the evil forest. Its not one part of my traditional culture I agree with, but I don't deny that such things did occur.


I can understand that.

There are elements in the past history of my own religion which is not "pretty" nor in accordance with the true teachings of Christianity.

Like mine, your spiritual path also has some positive and some negative aspects; but neither of them should be demeaned or wholly discounted because of the actions of some who marred them.

Thank you for answering my questions.

Originally Posted by cherryblossom
Is the Osu Caste System a part of the Igbo spirituality? YES or NO?

Ironically, it seems to be more of a part of Igbo Christianity then the traditional Igbo spirituality.


Thank you.

So, am I correct in deducing that the past practice of killing twin babies is more a part of "traditional Igbo spirituality" not "Igbo Christianity?"

Peace fam (Igbo kwenu).

Let us come out from the cave and not hide or pretend that we have always been righteous, upright and so forth. I have no qualms about saying that my people are not perfect in their practices.

I'll have you know, as the story goes from my (village) folks back home, that twins were a bad sign and we used to kill them - properly known as infanticide. The truly ironic thing, is that when white folks came they abolished this practice - again, that is how the story has been served to me. And I know that we Afrikans have done this in other parts of the region (known as nigeria) too, so we can wonder where it originated from. See the book called Icarus Girl, by a Yoruba sister who deals with twins and spiritual practices. A beautiful write, really.

NOW, let's abhor the type of ignorance that has been seen previously in this thread, and not equate one groups practice with the whole peoples practice. Pentecostals, methodists, seven day adventists, latter day saints, mormons and what have you do a lot of uneducated, devilish things in the name of who- and whatever, that doesn't mean we can put all christians under that umbrella (however much one might like to) - same applies to shia, sunni, rastas, jehovas, buddhists and a whole lot of other denominations.

I think there are very few of us that know how traditional igbo spirituality was, but as the story was served to me, yes - it was part of our practice. Then someone told us it was whack, and we abandoned it. Moving on.

On an unrelated note. Sister Cherryblossom, you seem very upset lately beloved. Are you ok, Sis? I remember you used to be so cherry (no joke), how you be?

So, some Igbo's have done things we don't think are "humane", "proper" etc. but that doesn't mean they all did. And truly, the Osu caste system was not as widespread as anyone would like to have it. It all depends on what area you went to (today; states).

One (black) Love,

- Ikoro

Not that we're done with THAT, can we talk about the beautiful things again?

Have any of you noticed how much attention we Igbo's give to the Kola nut, maaaaan. Ya'll don't even know. Imma uploead a clip for ya'll and embed it here so you can see what we do when we do what we do. It's so beautiful.

Hot dang, ya'll shoulda never opened this thread and let me in. I'm such a biased person I'm gonna start slandering everybody because I'm too proud of my heritage. Ooooh, Ancestors give me the strength to be as humble as you were >_<

Watch this space.

One,

- Ikoro

Ok, here we have the women dancing at a party (go to youtube for a description of what this is):

Jesus Lovers might like this, as I believ this is a praise song (can't recall, this was in 08).

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This clip right hurr, depicts a village chief (one of many present, mind you) blessing the Kola nut. We are FASCINATED, to say the least, about our Kola nuts. It is not an understatement to say that it is revered as holy.

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One,

- Ikoro

On an unrelated note. Sister Cherryblossom, you seem very upset lately beloved. Are you ok, Sis? I remember you used to be so cherry (no joke), how you be?



I am very well, Brother Ikoro. Thank you for asking; and how are YOU?

No, I'm not upset......And you say I used to be so "cheery," huh? (lol)
Well, thank you for that as well! :D

You have a good night.....I'm going to bed. :sleep:

I am doing well, lady - God is good. Thank you for asking.

You have a good night, and I'll see you at a later point. Don't miss the video I am upping later in another thread (Dozie - Uwa Ke). Much Love.

One,

- Ikoro

Ikoro, I thank you for sharing your culture with us.
ire

I am doing well, lady - God is good. Thank you for asking.

You have a good night, and I'll see you at a later point. Don't miss the video I am upping later in another thread (Dozie - Uwa Ke). Much Love.

One,

- Ikoro

Sister, when I said you were a good person, I meant it. I feel that you are. There are many misguided good people so it's not a contradiction. you posted that original article for a reason, and it wasn't to share your knowledge on Igbo spirituality. When that attempt was shot down, you couldn't let it go, you came back with more. Brotha Ikoro has not ran from your inquiries; he has not romantisized his history. He did say that maybe a new thread would be appropriate, but you couldn't respect that. That's cool. But you're not fooling anyone. Afrika was filled with savages until the good Christian came and civilized 'em. Happy now?


Originally Posted by cherryblossom
Is the Osu Caste System a part of the Igbo spirituality? YES or NO?




Thank you.

So, am I correct in deducing that the past practice of killing twin babies is more a part of "traditional Igbo spirituality" not "Igbo Christianity?"

So, am I correct in deducing that the past practice of killing twin babies is more a part of "traditional Igbo spirituality" not "Igbo Christianity?"

Nigerian Christians today don't kill babies, they wait till they are older, and they mutilate, torture and then kill them.

http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/africa/05/18/nigeria.child.witchcraft/index.html

AAAAHAHAHAHAAHA. My Brother, Onyeombi, na wow! That was so true. Good laughs.

Hey Brother Awo Dino, I think Sister Cherry has a big chip on her shoulder in regards to certain topic - but don't we all? We just counter the conflict with peace and there will be more peace. She wanted to bring something to the table, and although we didn't appreciate the nature of her topic - nor the way she brought it, we can surely tackle it swiftly and continue with the merriment.

Check my post with some contemporary music by an Igbo Brother called Uwa Ke:

http://destee.com/forums/showthread.php?p=625309#post625309

One,

- Ikoro

On an unrelated note. Sister Cherryblossom, you seem very upset lately beloved. Are you ok, Sis? I remember you used to be so cherry (no joke), how you be?

Ikoro, this is very thoughtful of you and very mature of you. What ever woman you have is very lucky.


Astrologer4U

Peace fam (Igbo kwenu).

Let us come out from the cave and not hide or pretend that we have always been righteous, upright and so forth. I have no qualms about saying that my people are not perfect in their practices.

I'll have you know, as the story goes from my (village) folks back home, that twins were a bad sign and we used to kill them - properly known as infanticide. The truly ironic thing, is that when white folks came they abolished this practice - again, that is how the story has been served to me.

Who served this story to you Ikoro? I am not disputing that infanticide took place but who served the story to you that white people abolished it? Were these African people who are traditional story tellers/Shamans/High Priest... you get where I am coming from.



Astrologer4U

Peace A4U, and much Love and Respect for your words that honor one such as I. Having reached 23 years of age, according to the european system/calendar, I feel this is but natural (that is, the love we should have for each other as a people and Brothers in regards to Sisters despite of minor disputes).

Nope, no astrologers or any such things. Just regular village dwellers in rural Igboland. To be honest, one might be amiss to not mention that they are Methodist Christians (one is 7 day adventist) and have little faith in (but great fear and respect for) our traditional means of healing, divination etc (like dibia, our Gods (Alusi) and the like). This leads me personally to question my parents a) objectivity and b) historical accuracy as they were born ca 1950's and thus might not have the chance or inclination to question so much what has been the steady decline and disappearance of our own religion.

However, their knowledge of what has been our traditions before leads me to think that they have come to know some of these traditions personally and intimately, and that we will not find it in books.

I will say that they have shown great loyalty to the nation of Afrikans and Igbo's by worrying much about how our traditions and culture is disappearing at the behest of (what they haven't perceived as) eurocentrism and white supremacy.

One,

- Ikoro

Peace A4U, and much Love and Respect for your words that honor one such as I. Having reached 23 years of age, according to the european system/calendar, I feel this is but natural (that is, the love we should have for each other as a people and Brothers in regards to Sisters despite of minor disputes).

I agree...

Nope, no astrologers or any such things.

None of those people I mentioned had anything to do with Astrologers...LOL I meant Oral history preservers.

The subject of whites abolishing infanticide in Nigeria had me asking all my Nigerian friends some questions. Two of my friends who are Igbo, I asked them how do they learn about the history of Nigeria? Both of them told me they learned from their fathers who passed history down to them. Both of them are in their late 30's and both of them spoke of the war that took place in Nigeria during the 50's. Neither of them spoke about any history in Nigeria beyond that. I asked both of them about the Oral History Preservers in Nigeria, they both told me that they have never spoken with one of those. I went on to ask them where did their fathers get most of their information from. They told me they didn't know. I asked them both if it would be fair to say that their fathers may have passed them down portions of the truth as opposed to the entire truth or a huge percentage of the truth? They both told me yes. One of them even said that he is almost sure that his father passed him down stuff that was biased based on what he was told by his converted Christian mother and father. I was shocked to say the least but never the less impressed that he had enough courage to be somewhat objective, in what he was raised to believe. Another thing, neither of them knew one thing about twin killings in Nigeria. In other words, they never heard of it.

Just regular village dwellers in rural Igboland. To be honest, one might be amiss to not mention that they are Methodist Christians (one is 7 day adventist) and have little faith in (but great fear and respect for) our traditional means of healing, divination etc (like dibia, our Gods (Alusi) and the like). This leads me personally to question my parents a) objectivity and b) historical accuracy as they were born ca 1950's and thus might not have the chance or inclination to question so much what has been the steady decline and disappearance of our own religion.


So you are somewhat in the same boat as one of my friends and I would have to agree. Africa has been touched with European values and therefore, Africa is not what it used to be. Not even amongst the Bushmen and Nomads.

However, their knowledge of what has been our traditions before leads me to think that they have come to know some of these traditions personally and intimately, and that we will not find it in books.

Though their relationship to their traditions are intimate, do you think that certain parts of the tradition have been changed (no longer pure) due to new beliefs based on colonialism?

I will say that they have shown great loyalty to the nation of Afrikans and Igbo's by worrying much about how our traditions and culture is disappearing at the behest of (what they haven't perceived as) eurocentrism and white supremacy.

One,

- Ikoro

I say this in honesty and respectfully. Do you think the worry over tradition dissapearing, is possibly due to a certain amount of guilt on their behalf?



Astrologer4U

found online at: http://igbokwenu.wikispaces.com/Igbo+Spirituality+101

The spiritual system of Ndi Igbo (the Igbo people) is one of the oldest on Earth. The roots of Igbo spirituality is the same as the roots of every other African one; that is, in Africa. Igbo spirituality predates Islam, Christianity, Judaism and every other -ism that one can think of. If there are any similarities between the traditional practices of the Igbo and those of other religions, it is because they were borrowed from our ancestors, and not the other way around.

The ancient spirituality of the Ndi Igbo, like most other traditional African spiritual systems, has been misunderstood and demonized unjustly. Evangelical churches, with the help of Nollywood movies, have helped to paint a negative picture of traditional Igbo spirituality that dates back to the arrival of the Europeans in Alaigbo (Igboland). It is quite unfortunate that most of the people who condemn Igbo spirituality do not know much about it, and base their most of their information from the lies of the very same people who wanted to destroy it and everything about our culture. While all the misconceptions about the traditional practices cannot be corrected in one article, this introduction to Igbo Spirituality will help clear a few things up.

The basis of Igbo Spirituality is the concept of “Chi.” Similar to the “Ori” of the Yoruba, and the “Ka” of Ancient Egyptians, Chi was the fundamental force of creation. Everyone and everything has a Chi. Ndi Igbo, like other Africans, worshiped one Creator, who is known by many names: Obasi Dielu (The Supreme God), Chi di ebere (God the merciful), Odenigwe (The Ruler of Heavens), etc. The two most popular names for Supreme Being used in Alaigbo were Chukwu and Chineke. The dominant name, Chukwu, which is a combination of the Igbo words “Chi” and “Ukwu”, literally means “The Big Chi”, and shows that Igbos believed that the Supreme Being was omnipresent and all-pervading. Chineke, which most people translate as “God the Creator” actually has a deeper meaning. Chi is the masculine aspect of God and Eke is the feminine aspect. Ndi Igbo knew that it took male and female to create life, so the Creator of everything would have to encompass both parts.

Because Ndi Igbo believed that everything in it had a chi, they also gave names to the Chi found in nature (the Alusi). The Alusi of the sky was known as Igwe. The Alusi of the yams (the most important crop of Ndi Igbo) was called Ahiajoku. The Alusi of the Sun was called Anyanwu. The most important of the forces of Nature was Ani, which was the feminine force that presided over the Earth. The Alusi were not limited to natural forces; metaphysical and supernatural forces and principles also had their own names and attributes. Ikenga was the Alusi of strength and Agwu was the Alusi of wisdom and healing. Each Alusi had its invididual personality and function, but they all were still parts of Chukwu.

The Ndiichie (esteemed ancestor spirits) also held a high place in traditional Igbo society. Elders have always been revered in Igbo society, and even more so after they passed onto Be Mmuo (the land of the spirits). The Nddichie would often be consulted to offer advice to their descendants and appeal to the Alusi on their behalf. Ndi Igbo have never worshiped their ancestors, only venerated them, which is no different then what Catholics do to their saints or what every country does to its national heroes. Respect and honor for the Nddichie was shown in one way by pouring of libations while chanting incantations. Ndi Igbo believed in the concept of reincarnation, and felt that the Nddiichie often reincarnated back on Earth. In fact, all Mmadu (human beings) were believed to reincarnate seven or eight times, and that depending on your karma, one either ascends or descends into another spiritual plane.

The personal relationship between God and Man in Igbo spirituality is as close as it can get. Ndi Igbo did not believe that they were separate from their Creator, and felt that the Chi that resided within them kept them connected. Igbo felt that their Chi was unique and personal and served as a guide and protector to them. A person’s destiny was also guided by their Chi. Those with a strong Chi would have prosperity, good health and good fortune, while those with a weak Chi would be prone to sickness, poverty and bad luck.

Even though the Igbo are largely Christian now, their traditional spiritual beliefs still live on. Along with these beliefs, a fundamental part of Igbo philosophy was “Biri Ka'm Biri” (live and let live). Ndi Igbo did not believe in fighting wars over religion. In their view, everybody should be able to worship God as they see fit. If there is any lesson from Igbo spirituality that we must not forget, it is this one.
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Can you provide books and websites that folks can go to and get more info, that they can share wiith children, their block association , and extended family?

Asante' sana

Peace A4U.

Oh, I must have been looking at your name when I wrote "astrologer" :D

As far as I know, my parents have not spoken with any oral history preservers other than their own parents and perhaps listening to a few storytellers on occasion in the village square.

I can't rule out the possibility that my parents might have been told that we used to perform infanticide, but actually never having seen it themselves. Even, it could be they have been told by someone who has been told by yet another someone - at the end of the line might be an exaggeration, a white person or a liar. Naturally, this raises suspicion. On the other hand, I am not so prone to bias that I can't conceive that white folks might actually have abolished the practice if it had once been ours. But the truth is beyond us at this point, because times of old are not documented well anywhere except for in white settlers travel logs.

Very little remains of our tradition, and the youths back home in our lands are discarding it because they have not been told to take care of it by their elders and they see it is not profitable to keep it (rather, it is profitable to pursue eurocentric education).

Regarding guilt, who knows. It is absolutely possible, but my parents left their homeland long ago and have done what little they have thought possible away from ancestral land. I would think more could still be done, but they lack the consciousness (and interest too perhaps) to implement any kind of strategy for the next generations heritage. But more than anything, they are filled with a yearning for their own people, lands and culture - but know not enough about what went wrong (failing to see the evil that foreign religion constitutes) or how it used to be long ago.

They are worried mainly over todays urbanization and our language not being taught in schools (due to colonialism and the biased rule of people that are not from our nation, Muslims form the north).

I am worried for my peoples history, especially because of war (Biafra). So many died, and those who were left were more interested in moving on rather than preserving things of old. Losing a war is bitter, I have seen as much in my father - and it makes people escapists when they are stuck in the same place.

But do keep in mind, my family is from one part of one village in one state only. Things could be much better elsewhere. I still hear of festivals and ceremonial dances from other states, and I know that we still have active Dibia's elsewhere too. However, I have not heard of one place where foreign religion has not tainted or reduced our culture.

But our lands are vast, and its secrets many... to be sure.

One,

- Ikoro

Brother Ankhur.

Re: Links.

I am not certain how valuable the pages may be, but surely, if you contact the admins they can direct you to persons with knowledge of what you seek. The information on the net is mostly made up of amateur sites or white sources :/

http://home.igbonet.com/

http://www.nzuko-ndigbo.org/

http://www.qub.ac.uk/schools/SchoolofEnglish/imperial/nigeria/origins.htm

Also, google Godianiam, or chiism. Might find something there. They have a book, Nkoomi that might have something of interest to you.

One,

- Ikoro

Thx for this thread,i wanted to know about Igbo culture for a while,i feel a kind of attraction with this culture(and kongo culture) for some reason,maybe because of Nollywood(Igweeeeeeee:em2300:).I like the concept of Chi,every concept which promote the Inner God is precious to me.Maybe my ancestors were Igbos!!!

It is not unlikely, Sister Seneb.

Where do you get the nick Seneb from. I read it as the arabic Seynab, which is a commonly used name amongst some Somali Sisters.

One,

- Ikoro

Peace A4U.

Oh, I must have been looking at your name when I wrote "astrologer" :D

As far as I know, my parents have not spoken with any oral history preservers other than their own parents and perhaps listening to a few storytellers on occasion in the village square.

I can't rule out the possibility that my parents might have been told that we used to perform infanticide, but actually never having seen it themselves. Even, it could be they have been told by someone who has been told by yet another someone - at the end of the line might be an exaggeration, a white person or a liar. Naturally, this raises suspicion. On the other hand, I am not so prone to bias that I can't conceive that white folks might actually have abolished the practice if it had once been ours. But the truth is beyond us at this point, because times of old are not documented well anywhere except for in white settlers travel logs.


The truth is not that beyond us. I am not going to go into why, because I know that white folks are watching us and the internet was created to collect information from our subconscious minds and I am not willing to put it out there just yet. Some things can not be said on the internet, at least not yet. There is a time for everything.

Very little remains of our tradition, and the youths back home in our lands are discarding it because they have not been told to take care of it by their elders and they see it is not profitable to keep it (rather, it is profitable to pursue eurocentric education).

So what are you going to do about that? You are a smart young man.

Regarding guilt, who knows. It is absolutely possible, but my parents left their homeland long ago and have done what little they have thought possible away from ancestral land. I would think more could still be done, but they lack the consciousness (and interest too perhaps) to implement any kind of strategy for the next generations heritage. But more than anything, they are filled with a yearning for their own people, lands and culture - but know not enough about what went wrong (failing to see the evil that foreign religion constitutes) or how it used to be long ago.

Then you gotta pick up from where they left off.

They are worried mainly over todays urbanization and our language not being taught in schools (due to colonialism and the biased rule of people that are not from our nation, Muslims form the north).

I am worried for my peoples history, especially because of war (Biafra). So many died, and those who were left were more interested in moving on rather than preserving things of old. Losing a war is bitter, I have seen as much in my father - and it makes people escapists when they are stuck in the same place.

That's very true, for a young man you are so wise. You remind me of Akobundu.

But do keep in mind, my family is from one part of one village in one state only. Things could be much better elsewhere. I still hear of festivals and ceremonial dances from other states, and I know that we still have active Dibia's elsewhere too. However, I have not heard of one place where foreign religion has not tainted or reduced our culture.

But our lands are vast, and its secrets many... to be sure.

One,

- Ikoro


Of course I will keep that in mind.... Thanks for sharing and being honest, I really appreciate it and look forward to more interaction with you.


Astrologer4U

The truth is not that beyond us. I am not going to go into why, because I know that white folks are watching us and the internet was created to collect information from our subconscious minds and I am not willing to put it out there just yet. Some things can not be said on the internet, at least not yet. There is a time for everything.



So what are you going to do about that? You are a smart young man.



Then you gotta pick up from where they left off.



That's very true, for a young man you are so wise. You remind me of Akobundu.




Of course I will keep that in mind.... Thanks for sharing and being honest, I really appreciate it and look forward to more interaction with you.


Astrologer4U


BEST STATEMENT EVER!!!! ....SHOOT THE STUFF I HAVE SAID ON HERE IS FRUGAL TO THE STUFF I COULD SAY BUT CANT BE SAID DUE TO THAT STATEMENT RIGHT THERE..... GREAT POST

It is not unlikely, Sister Seneb.

Where do you get the nick Seneb from. I read it as the arabic Seynab, which is a commonly used name amongst some Somali Sisters.

One,

- Ikoro

Nah,im a brother,in Kemet they used to greet you with "Ankh,Oudja and Seneb" which is Life,Health and Strength .Peace!

Peace fam.

A4U, you are so right in asking me question of what I am doing. For our people back Home in Igboland, I fear I am not doing enough at the time. My family only sends money, but I have dreams of starting a school and building some infirmaries (that I will fund fully so they will be free of charge).

Yet, at the time I am but a law student - another 4 years and I'll be infiltrating some of these wicked institutions and racking up that green stuff (money) so that I can use it against the system.

Akobundu, he has disappeared since I last spoke with him. He is certainly missed. We are from the same lands, although he hails form a slight different people - but we are Igbo's nonetheless. I believe he is my junior, yet he sometimes seems lightyears ahead of me. So much that must be done :)

Yes, I must say, I'll see you around (with pleasure). I am assuming you are a brother, A4U?

Brother Seneb, pardon. My fault. My knowledge of KMT has been dwindling steadily since I put down my 4 Muata Abhaya Ashby books and my T.O.L.M by Ra Un Nefer Amen, certainly it is a -strong- name.

One,

- Ikoro

Peace fam.

A4U, you are so right in asking me question of what I am doing. For our people back Home in Igboland, I fear I am not doing enough at the time. My family only sends money, but I have dreams of starting a school and building some infirmaries (that I will fund fully so they will be free of charge).

Yet, at the time I am but a law student - another 4 years and I'll be infiltrating some of these wicked institutions and racking up that green stuff (money) so that I can use it against the system.

Akobundu, he has disappeared since I last spoke with him. He is certainly missed. We are from the same lands, although he hails form a slight different people - but we are Igbo's nonetheless. I believe he is my junior, yet he sometimes seems lightyears ahead of me. So much that must be done :)

Yes, I must say, I'll see you around (with pleasure). I am assuming you are a brother, A4U?

Brother Seneb, pardon. My fault. My knowledge of KMT has been dwindling steadily since I put down my 4 Muata Abhaya Ashby books and my T.O.L.M by Ra Un Nefer Amen, certainly it is a -strong- name.

One,

- Ikoro



Im a sister Ikoro...hehehe

Also, I just shared some text with Akobundu on Facebook yesterday, I asked him to get his self back over to that thread he started and set folks straight, he said something about his brother was taking care of it.

As for what you can do back home, you can do some young folk stuff, form some alliances with the young folks, set some actions into place with the young folks. Through the efforts and ambition of the youth, elders will will be reminded about what must not be lost.


Astrologer4U

HTP.

We've got a young folks brigage of some sort, and they've asked me to member so I sent some money. But I haven't been from for 4 years now, and I want to know the people I support so I can give them some tasks in the community. Then I need to plant some regulators to check on said folks and see if they are doing what they said they would. Desperation, also known as corruption, runs rampant even on the lowest level of the societal hierarchy. Can't change that from abroad :(

The Elders (and youngsters) in my community at present are getting pretty inspired by my work here. I'm the manager for pan-afrikan youth organization (the oldest and only in the country that is run by, for and with young Afrikans).

I've done some media things, held speeches and I'm frequently called to white institutions (especially colleges and police) to talk about race relations, whiteness, the illusion of inclusion and media's stereotyping of blacks. Then some of the Igbo elders starting telling my dad that "your son is more Afrikan than you" simply because he used to be an orator, and I have (seemingly) taken his place >_>

I have stayed off Facebook for so long now (they are tracking us? LOL), but Brother Akobundu and SISTER A4U =) are on there... dang. I just resist it for now.

One,

- Ikoro

HTP.

We've got a young folks brigage of some sort, and they've asked me to member so I sent some money. But I haven't been from for 4 years now, and I want to know the people I support so I can give them some tasks in the community. Then I need to plant some regulators to check on said folks and see if they are doing what they said they would. Desperation, also known as corruption, runs rampant even on the lowest level of the societal hierarchy. Can't change that from abroad :(


Aww, I understand, trust me...

The Elders (and youngsters) in my community at present are getting pretty inspired by my work here. I'm the manager for pan-afrikan youth organization (the oldest and only in the country that is run by, for and with young Afrikans).

Wow, that's great. You Igbo men are something else. You inspire me as well. Well, if you can't be at home doing what you do here, you just got to do what you can do until you can do more. Sounds like you are on the right track...

I've done some media things, held speeches and I'm frequently called to white institutions (especially colleges and police) to talk about race relations, whiteness, the illusion of inclusion and media's stereotyping of blacks. Then some of the Igbo elders starting telling my dad that "your son is more Afrikan than you" simply because he used to be an orator, and I have (seemingly) taken his place >_>

Do you video tape when you do your speeches? Also, you know how that goes, if you are the son of your father, you are going to be put into his shoes weather you like it or not...hahaha

I have stayed off Facebook for so long now (they are tracking us? LOL), but Brother Akobundu and SISTER A4U =) are on there... dang. I just resist it for now.

One,

- Ikoro

Yes I have heard but then again, anytime you sign on line, you are being tracked. I would have to agree thought. FB might be taking the tracking stuff a bit further...


Astrologer4U

Can you provide books and websites that folks can go to and get more info, that they can share wiith children, their block association , and extended family?

Asante' sana

www.godianism.org

"After God is Dibia" by John Umeh

"Towards an Igbo Metaphysics" by Emmanuel M. P. Edeh

"Odinani: The Igbo Religion" by Emmanuel K. Anizoba

Yeah "After God is Dibia" 1 and 2 is real deep...

Im a sister Ikoro...hehehe

Also, I just shared some text with Akobundu on Facebook yesterday, I asked him to get his self back over to that thread he started and set folks straight, he said something about his brother was taking care of it.

As for what you can do back home, you can do some young folk stuff, form some alliances with the young folks, set some actions into place with the young folks. Through the efforts and ambition of the youth, elders will will be reminded about what must not be lost.


Astrologer4U

By the way, if you didn't know, I'm Akobundu's older brother.

Thanks for sharing Akobundu, Onyemobi and Ikoro!
ire gbogbo

Thanks for sharing Akobundu, Onyemobi and Ikoro!
ire gbogbo

Your welcome god,

Chi Bless

Peace fam.

A4U, you are so right in asking me question of what I am doing. For our people back Home in Igboland, I fear I am not doing enough at the time. My family only sends money, but I have dreams of starting a school and building some infirmaries (that I will fund fully so they will be free of charge).

Yet, at the time I am but a law student - another 4 years and I'll be infiltrating some of these wicked institutions and racking up that green stuff (money) so that I can use it against the system.

Akobundu, he has disappeared since I last spoke with him. He is certainly missed. We are from the same lands, although he hails form a slight different people - but we are Igbo's nonetheless. I believe he is my junior, yet he sometimes seems lightyears ahead of me. So much that must be done :)

Yes, I must say, I'll see you around (with pleasure). I am assuming you are a brother, A4U?

Brother Seneb, pardon. My fault. My knowledge of KMT has been dwindling steadily since I put down my 4 Muata Abhaya Ashby books and my T.O.L.M by Ra Un Nefer Amen, certainly it is a -strong- name.

One,

- Ikoro
Thanks for the luv fam...and yeah I am 17 turning 18 in November...but yeah bruv you taught me alot...and no I wont disappear on here as long as Destee remains a good website lolol...I just go underground for a while but I alwayz comeback lls...
The truth is not that beyond us. I am not going to go into why, because I know that white folks are watching us and the internet was created to collect information from our subconscious minds and I am not willing to put it out there just yet. Some things can not be said on the internet, at least not yet. There is a time for everything.



So what are you going to do about that? You are a smart young man.



Then you gotta pick up from where they left off.



That's very true, for a young man you are so wise. You remind me of Akobundu.




Of course I will keep that in mind.... Thanks for sharing and being honest, I really appreciate it and look forward to more interaction with you.


Astrologer4U
Thanks


Im a sister Ikoro...hehehe

Also, I just shared some text with Akobundu on Facebook yesterday, I asked him to get his self back over to that thread he started and set folks straight, he said something about his brother was taking care of it.

As for what you can do back home, you can do some young folk stuff, form some alliances with the young folks, set some actions into place with the young folks. Through the efforts and ambition of the youth, elders will will be reminded about what must not be lost.


Astrologer4U


I didnt start this particular thread lol...I started this one:

http://www.destee.com/forums/showthread.php?t=60059

My brother who wrote the Igbo Spirituality 101 article, reposted the thread here...

Thanks for the luv fam...and yeah I am 17 turning 18 in November...but yeah bruv you taught me alot...and no I wont disappear on here as long as Destee remains a good website lolol...I just go underground for a while but I alwayz comeback lls...

Thanks

I didnt start this particular thread lol...I started this one:

http://www.destee.com/forums/showthread.php?t=60059

My brother who wrote the Igbo Spirituality 101 article, reposted the thread here...

I'm glad to see both you blood-brothers (Onyemobi and Akobundu) sharing your heritage.