Many of the previous objections to the Christian faith originate from
lack of true Biblical understanding. If both the Old and New
Testaments were read and studied within proper context, these questions
would be answered to the objector's satisfaction.

To get a more complete understanding of the scripture in question, it's
suggested that more than a single verse be read; rather, read the
chapters before, current (with questionable verse), and after. For
example, if chapter X, verse Y is questioned, then for clearer
contextual understanding, read (very carefully) all of chapters before,
current, and after.

Remember most religions compare themselves to the Christian Bible to
prove their accuracy. They wouldn't consider replacing it as a
reference of divine proof since many archaeologists have uncovered
evidence justifying Biblical events. Further proof is reveled when the
Bible is compared to other non-Biblical sources like that of Josephus
IF READ IN CONTEXT!

Consider these websites:

http://agards-bible-timeline.com/q9_historical_proof_bible.html

http://bibletools.org//index.cfm/fuseaction/Bible.show/sVerseID/1/eVerseID/1

http://afgen.com/proof.html

There was once a muslim who spoke to a Christian pastor. The pastor
asked him what muslim's think about Jesus Christ? He answered that
they respect Him. The pastor continued and asked him why was Jesus
accused? The muslim replied that it was for sedition among the Romans
and blasphemy of the Jewish faith. The pastor then asked, "What was
His blasphemy?" The muslim answered that Jesus Christ claimed to be
God! The Christian pastor then asked if Jesus who claimed to be God
would be a prophet in the kurran? The muslim said that he would not be
because he was a liar or a fraud.

The Christian then posed this thought. If Jesus said He was God, you
cannot simply respect Him! You must either revere Him, as the One who
He actually said He was or reject Him as a fraud. You cannot MERELY
respect Him for He could not be in the line of prophets. If He lied
then He is not a prophet. And if He told the truth, He is God which is
above and beyond all prophets! Therefore the kurran is wrong claiming
Him as a mere prophet!

--

"For Christ also hath once suffered for sins,
the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God,
being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit"
(1 Peter 3:18)

Isn't this a thread for Islamic beliefs? Why are you in here?

Many of the previous objections to the Christian faith originate from
lack of true Biblical understanding. If both the Old and New
Testaments were read and studied within proper context, these questions
would be answered to the objector's satisfaction.

To get a more complete understanding of the scripture in question, it's
suggested that more than a single verse be read; rather, read the
chapters before, current (with questionable verse), and after. For
example, if chapter X, verse Y is questioned, then for clearer
contextual understanding, read (very carefully) all of chapters before,
current, and after.

Remember most religions compare themselves to the Christian Bible to
prove their accuracy. They wouldn't consider replacing it as a
reference of divine proof since many archaeologists have uncovered
evidence justifying Biblical events. Further proof is reveled when the
Bible is compared to other non-Biblical sources like that of Josephus
IF READ IN CONTEXT!

Consider these websites:

http://agards-bible-timeline.com/q9_historical_proof_bible.html

http://bibletools.org//index.cfm/fuseaction/Bible.show/sVerseID/1/eVerseID/1

http://afgen.com/proof.html

There was once a muslim who spoke to a Christian pastor. The pastor
asked him what muslim's think about Jesus Christ? He answered that
they respect Him. The pastor continued and asked him why was Jesus
accused? The muslim replied that it was for sedition among the Romans
and blasphemy of the Jewish faith. The pastor then asked, "What was
His blasphemy?" The muslim answered that Jesus Christ claimed to be
God! The Christian pastor then asked if Jesus who claimed to be God
would be a prophet in the kurran? The muslim said that he would not be
because he was a liar or a fraud.

The Christian then posed this thought. If Jesus said He was God, you
cannot simply respect Him! You must either revere Him, as the One who
He actually said He was or reject Him as a fraud. You cannot MERELY
respect Him for He could not be in the line of prophets. If He lied
then He is not a prophet. And if He told the truth, He is God which is
above and beyond all prophets! Therefore the kurran is wrong claiming
Him as a mere prophet!

--

"For Christ also hath once suffered for sins,
the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God,
being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit"
(1 Peter 3:18)

The only way a person can believe the bible is the word of God is...they read things into the bible that are not there AND/OR DENY things the errors and contradictions in the bible.

The Jesus of the bible never claims to be God (in the bible) either... One has to read that into existance by conjecture.

It is neither here nor there, however, because the bible is NOT the word of God.

Many of the previous objections to the Christian faith originate from
lack of true Biblical understanding. If both the Old and New
Testaments were read and studied within proper context, these questions
would be answered to the objector's satisfaction.

To get a more complete understanding of the scripture in question, it's
suggested that more than a single verse be read; rather, read the
chapters before, current (with questionable verse), and after. For
example, if chapter X, verse Y is questioned, then for clearer
contextual understanding, read (very carefully) all of chapters before,
current, and after.

Remember most religions compare themselves to the Christian Bible to
prove their accuracy. They wouldn't consider replacing it as a
reference of divine proof since many archaeologists have uncovered
evidence justifying Biblical events. Further proof is reveled when the
Bible is compared to other non-Biblical sources like that of Josephus
IF READ IN CONTEXT!

Consider these websites:

http://agards-bible-timeline.com/q9_historical_proof_bible.html

http://bibletools.org//index.cfm/fuseaction/Bible.show/sVerseID/1/eVerseID/1

http://afgen.com/proof.html

There was once a muslim who spoke to a Christian pastor. The pastor
asked him what muslim's think about Jesus Christ? He answered that
they respect Him. The pastor continued and asked him why was Jesus
accused? The muslim replied that it was for sedition among the Romans
and blasphemy of the Jewish faith. The pastor then asked, "What was
His blasphemy?" The muslim answered that Jesus Christ claimed to be
God! The Christian pastor then asked if Jesus who claimed to be God
would be a prophet in the kurran? The muslim said that he would not be
because he was a liar or a fraud.

The Christian then posed this thought. If Jesus said He was God, you
cannot simply respect Him! You must either revere Him, as the One who
He actually said He was or reject Him as a fraud. You cannot MERELY
respect Him for He could not be in the line of prophets. If He lied
then He is not a prophet. And if He told the truth, He is God which is
above and beyond all prophets! Therefore the kurran is wrong claiming
Him as a mere prophet!

--

"For Christ also hath once suffered for sins,
the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God,
being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit"
(1 Peter 3:18)

Oh Lawd!!!!!....here we go again...."jesus IS god" huh:?:

Thanks for Sharing!

M.E.
:hearts2:

The only way a person can believe the bible is the word of God is...they read things into the bible that are not there AND/OR DENY things the errors and contradictions in the bible.

You keep saying that the bible has errors and contradictions ,but you never have been able to prove it . You have only been proven wrong.

The Jesus of the bible never claims to be God (in the bible) either... One has to read that into existance by conjecture.

It is neither here nor there, however, because the bible is NOT the word of God.

Actually Jesus said more than once he was God.

John 4:25-26
(25)The woman said, "I know that Messiah" (called Christ) "is coming. When he comes, he will explain everything to us."

(26)Then Jesus declared, "I who speak to you am he."

John 11:21-27
(21)"Lord," Martha said to Jesus, "if you had been here, my brother would not have died. (22)But I know that even now God will give you whatever you ask."

(23)Jesus said to her, "Your brother will rise again."

(24)Martha answered, "I know he will rise again in the resurrection at the last day."

(25)Jesus said to her, "I am the resurrection and the life. He who believes in me will live, even though he dies; (26)and whoever lives and believes in me will never die. Do you believe this?"


(27)"Yes, Lord," she told him, "I believe that you are the Christ, the Son of God, who was to come into the world."

[B]Matthew 26:62-66
(62)Then the high priest stood up and said to Jesus, "Are you not going to answer? What is this testimony that these men are bringing against you?" (63)But Jesus remained silent.
The high priest said to him, "I charge you under oath by the living God: Tell us if you are the Christ, the Son of God."

(64)"Yes, it is as you say," Jesus replied. "But I say to all of you: In the future you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Mighty One and coming on the clouds of heaven."

(65)Then the high priest tore his clothes and said, "He has spoken blasphemy! Why do we need any more witnesses? Look, now you have heard the blasphemy. (66)What do you think?"
"He is worthy of death," they answered.

You keep saying that the bible has errors and contradictions ,but you never have been able to prove it . You have only been proven wrong.



Actually Jesus said more than once he was God.

John 4:25-26
(25)The woman said, "I know that Messiah" (called Christ) "is coming. When he comes, he will explain everything to us."

(26)Then Jesus declared, "I who speak to you am he."

John 11:21-27
(21)"Lord," Martha said to Jesus, "if you had been here, my brother would not have died. (22)But I know that even now God will give you whatever you ask."

(23)Jesus said to her, "Your brother will rise again."

(24)Martha answered, "I know he will rise again in the resurrection at the last day."

(25)Jesus said to her, "I am the resurrection and the life. He who believes in me will live, even though he dies; (26)and whoever lives and believes in me will never die. Do you believe this?"


(27)"Yes, Lord," she told him, "I believe that you are the Christ, the Son of God, who was to come into the world."

[B]Matthew 26:62-66
(62)Then the high priest stood up and said to Jesus, "Are you not going to answer? What is this testimony that these men are bringing against you?" (63)But Jesus remained silent.
The high priest said to him, "I charge you under oath by the living God: Tell us if you are the Christ, the Son of God."

(64)"Yes, it is as you say," Jesus replied. "But I say to all of you: In the future you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Mighty One and coming on the clouds of heaven."

(65)Then the high priest tore his clothes and said, "He has spoken blasphemy! Why do we need any more witnesses? Look, now you have heard the blasphemy. (66)What do you think?"
"He is worthy of death," they answered.

Is it your contention that there are NO ERRORS AND/OR CONTRADICTIONS IN THE BIBLE?

And everything you just quoted from the bible has Jesus claiming to be the SON of God ...not God himself.

As-Salaam Alaikum.
Are you sure you want to have this conversation?

Is it your contention that there are NO ERRORS AND/OR CONTRADICTIONS IN THE BIBLE?

And everything you just quoted from the bible has Jesus claiming to be the SON of God ...not God himself.

There are no errors or contradiction in the bible. I have proved that to you all ready.

The son of God is God.

God put his essence inside of the body of a man (Jesus).

How can Jesus resurrect people and call himself the "truth and the light"f he weren't God?

Why would he be accused of blasphemy if he wasn't saying he was God?

John 10:31-33
31Again the Jews picked up stones to stone him, 32but Jesus said to them, "I have shown you many great miracles from the Father. For which of these do you stone me?"

33"We are not stoning you for any of these," replied the Jews, "but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God."

Why would they say "because you, a mere man, claim to be God"if Jesus was not claiming to be God"?

Oh Lawd!!!!!....here we go again...."jesus IS god" huh:?:

Thanks for Sharing!

M.E.
:hearts2:

:lol:

for real tho!

"If I [Jesus] bear witness of myself, my witness is not true." (John 5:31)

"I [Jesus] am one that bear witness of myself..." (John 8:18)


Just my 3 cents

There are no errors or contradiction in the bible. I have proved that to you all ready.

The son of God is God.

God put his essence inside of the body of a man (Jesus).

How can Jesus resurrect people and call himself the "truth and the light"f he weren't God?

Why would he be accused of blasphemy if he wasn't saying he was God?

John 10:31-33
31Again the Jews picked up stones to stone him, 32but Jesus said to them, "I have shown you many great miracles from the Father. For which of these do you stone me?"

33"We are not stoning you for any of these," replied the Jews, "but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God."

Why would they say "because you, a mere man, claim to be God"if Jesus was not claiming to be God"?

You have never even attempted to prove to that there are no contradictions...and I have never attempted to post all of the errors and/or contradictions because you will deny them even if they are true.

Maybe the others are right...we should start this thread in the religious fourm as not to impose on our islamic brothers and sisters.

As-Salaam Alaikum
Surah 4 Ayat 171:
O People of the Book(Christians and Jews)
Commit no excesses(Blasphemy)
In your religion: nor say
Of G-D nothing but the truth.
Christ Jesus the son of Mary
Was(no more than)
An apostle of G-D
And His Word,
Which He bestowed on Mary,
And a Spirit proceeding
From Him: so believe
In G-D and His Apostles.
Say not"Trinity", desist:
It will be better for you;
For G-D is One G-D
Glory be to HIM.
Far EXALTED is HE above
Having a son. To Him
Belong all things in the heavens
And on earth. And enough
Is G-D as a Disposer of affairs.
As-Salaam Alaikum

"If I [Jesus] bear witness of myself, my witness is not true." (John 5:31)

"I [Jesus] am one that bear witness of myself..." (John 8:18)


Just my 3 cents

Why do people keep quoting the bible out of context?

You should read the whole Chapter then you will understand what the bible is trying to say.

(31)"If I testify about myself, my testimony is not valid. (32)There is another who testifies in my favor, and I know that his testimony about me is valid.
(33)"You have sent to John and he has testified to the truth.

Jesus is not saying that his testimony is valid ,but what he is saying is more like the saying "don't just take my word for it" , so he gives us the testimony of John the baptist that Jesus is God.


(34)Not that I accept human testimony; but I mention it that you may be saved. .........
Here Jesus is clearly saying that he doesn't really require John testimony to validate himself ,but he is using John as another source for the info that Jesus is God so people who might not believe him would believe John and thereffore they would be saved.


(36)"I have testimony weightier than that of John.
Here Jesus reiterates that he doesn't need John because he is God, so his words carry more weight than John's.

You have to read the whole bible or at least a whole book of the bible before you can understand fully what the bible is trying to say.

Pray to God for wisdom in understanding the bible and you will realize the truth. Peace

As-Salaam Alaikum
Surah 4 Ayat 171:
O People of the Book(Christians and Jews)
Commit no excesses(Blasphemy)
In your religion: nor say
Of G-D nothing but the truth.
Christ Jesus the son of Mary
Was(no more than)
An apostle of G-D
And His Word,
ally prWhich He bestowed on Mary,
And a Spirit proceeding
From Him: so believe
In G-D and His Apostles.
Say not"Trinity", desist:
It will be better for you;
For G-D is One G-D
Glory be to HIM.
Far EXALTED is HE above
Having a son. To Him
Belong all things in the heavens
And on earth. And enough
Is G-D as a Disposer of affairs.
As-Salaam Alaikum

This proves that the quran is wrong.

If Jesus is not God that means he is guilty of blasphemy .

An apostle of God would not commit blasphemy, therefore the claim that Jesus was just an apostle of God can't be true and neither can the quran be true .

Also the fact that muhammad wrote in the quran that "satan put lies on his tongue with out his knowledge "
This really proves the quran to be false.

You have never even attempted to prove to that there are no contradictions...and I have never attempted to post all of the errors and/or contradictions because you will deny them even if they are true.

Maybe the others are right...we should start this thread in the religious fourm as not to impose on our islamic brothers and sisters.

You can post what ever you want and you will be proven wrong like always .

You can start a post in the religious forum regarding this topic

This proves that the quran is wrong.

If Jesus is not God that means he is guilty of blasphemy .

An apostle of God would not commit blasphemy, therefore the claim that Jesus was just an apostle of God can't be true and neither can the quran be true .

Also the fact that muhammad wrote in the quran that "satan put lies on his tongue with out his knowledge "
This really proves the quran to be false.No where in the bible does Jesus say he is G-D, Paul said it. Im done with this now.

This proves that the quran is wrong.

If Jesus is not God that means he is guilty of blasphemy .

An apostle of God would not commit blasphemy, therefore the claim that Jesus was just an apostle of God can't be true and neither can the quran be true .

Also the fact that muhammad wrote in the quran that "satan put lies on his tongue with out his knowledge "
This really proves the quran to be false.What u just said makes no sense at all. If I remember right in the bible it says"Mary you will have a son, not Mary you will have My son or give birth to ME. When did Jesus become the "ONLY BEGOTTEN SON OF G_D? When did Jesus say that he was G-D? Now I know you r about to give me a bunch of verses that I have read a million times that don't answer my questions. I want you to give me the exact verse to where Jesus said"I AM G_D". and the exact verse where Jesus says" I AM G-D'S ONLY BEGOTTEN SON". Thanx in advance.

What u just said makes no sense at all. If I remember right in the bible it says"Mary you will have a son, not Mary you will have My son or give birth to ME. When did Jesus become the "ONLY BEGOTTEN SON OF G_D? When did Jesus say that he was G-D? Now I know you r about to give me a bunch of verses that I have read a million times that don't answer my questions. I want you to give me the exact verse to where Jesus said"I AM G_D". and the exact verse where Jesus says" I AM G-D'S ONLY BEGOTTEN SON". Thanx in advance.

first explain to me how what I said doesn't make sense then I will answer your question.
If jesus is just a man and claims he is God he commiting blasphemy
If jesus is an apostle of God he wouldnt commit blasphemy .
Therefore the quran is wrong.
Also muhammad wrote that the devil put lies in his mouth or on his tongue with out his knowledge, so you cant believe anything written by muhammad. another thing that shows the quran cant be true
what is so hard to understand about that?

first explain to me how what I said doesn't make sense then I will answer your question.
If jesus is just a man and claims he is God he commiting blasphemy
If jesus is an apostle of God he wouldnt commit blasphemy .
Therefore the quran is wrong.
Also muhammad wrote that the devil put lies in his mouth or on his tongue with out his knowledge, so you cant believe anything written by muhammad. another thing that shows the quran cant be true
what is so hard to understand about that?Jesus didn't claim he was G-D so no blasphemy was committed. You keep referencing the QuRan, can you give me the Surah and Ayat where you have read this about muhammad plse, I have not seen it.

Peace

Jesus didn't claim he was G-D so no blasphemy was committed. You keep referencing the QuRan, can you give me the Surah and Ayat where you have read this about muhammad plse, I have not seen it.

Peace

Here is a link that to a video that shows that muhammad was not to be trusted
http://youtube.com/watch?v=6_VAM0PjHmc&feature=related

The Bible doesn't contradict itself? hmm.........
"If I [Jesus] bear witness of myself, my witness is not true." (John 5:31)

"I [Jesus] am one that bear witness of myself..." (John 8:18)


Just my 3 cents



Knowledge Seed,

You are a 5%er, why would you take such a cheap shot at the Bible? This saddens and disappoints me! The very next verse explains why his witness is not true(John 5: 32)

Then, without contradicting( John 5: 31), and to satisfy the written law(John 8: 17) he shows two testimonies, again without nullifying the veracity of(John 5: 31).

In my opinion, your exegesis pertaining to Jesus/Yashua, the messiah is unfounded and taken completely out of context!

Here is a link that to a video that shows that muhammad was not to be trusted
http://youtube.com/watch?v=6_VAM0PjHmc&feature=relatedYou speak about things that you haven't read urself. When I speak 2 you about the bible is because I have read the bible. Now once again, Can you show me in The Quran where muhammad says this? One more thing, if you like you tube stuff I have a good one 4 you. Let me know if you want it.

Peace

Knowledge Seed,

You are a 5%er, why would you take such a cheap shot at the Bible? This saddens and disappoints me! The very next verse explains why his witness is not true(John 5: 32)

Then, without contradicting( John 5: 31), and to satisfy the written law(John 8: 17) he shows two testimonies, again without nullifying the veracity of(John 5: 31).

In my opinion, your exegesis pertaining to Jesus/Yashua, the messiah is unfounded and taken completely out of context!
What does my being a 5 percenter have to do with the bible?

Let's say that John the Baptist and the Father did bear witness to Jesus, it doesn't nullify the fact the Jesus beared witness to himself! That is the only point that I was making, which obviously you failed to see.

What does my being a 5 percenter have to do with the bible?

Let's say that John the Baptist and the Father did bear witness to Jesus, it doesn't nullify the fact the Jesus beared witness to himself! That is the only point that I was making, which obviously you failed to see.


Bro Knowledge Seed, remembering what Bobby Hemmitt said on that lecture about spreading certain things to certain people?

Bro Knowledge Seed, remembering what Bobby Hemmitt said on that lecture about spreading certain things to certain people?
I know man. I don't intend to debate anyone on the subject. I'm just stating my piece.

I know man. I don't intend to debate anyone on the subject. I'm just stating my piece.

I feel you.

Jesus was god... and you can be too. read Psalms 82 (specifically verse 6), then read John 10:30-38 (specifically verse 34)

What does my being a 5 percenter have to do with the bible?

Let's say that John the Baptist and the Father did bear witness to Jesus, it doesn't nullify the fact the Jesus beared witness to himself! That is the only point that I was making, which obviously you failed to see.



Knowledge Seed,

My reading and understanding of your thread(5%) expressed many attributes, just to list some, openness in acquiring knowledge in the pursuit of the Truth in God Institute, the ability to approach any religious institution and prove the blackness of God, that studying other sources or religions was not in conflict with goals/purpose; and the flexibility to change when new knowledge was discern. Is any of the above untrue?

To imply a contradiction in the manner that was posted would be false whether the text was the Bible or any other material. A fair read, regardless of the text/material is crucial for gaining knowledge, of any sort.

We will not get into a debate, that was certainly not my intent. Context, however, is something that is two-sided and unfortunately, both views cannot be correct.

Peace!

If Jesus was Yahwey and Jahova please tell me who was he praying to on the cross when he said "ELi Eli Lamasabethany" His God his God....Wait a minute God has a God? Stop playing

ya'll love yall some bobby hemmitt dont yall....

I dont subscribe to Hemmit.

The only way a person can believe the bible is the word of God is...they read things into the bible that are not there AND/OR DENY things the errors and contradictions in the bible.

The Jesus of the bible never claims to be God (in the bible) either... One has to read that into existance by conjecture.

It is neither here nor there, however, because the bible is NOT the word of God.


I agree 100% with the bolded statement. I've brought this fact out to my christian friends and they never have anything to say about it. Even when he was supposedly on the cross he yelled out "to God." People bring up passages like "there's no way to the father but through me" or "I am", but these don't seem (at least imo) to be saying that he is indeed God on earth. The term "christian" didn't even come around until Paul said it in the book of Acts.

His God his God....Wait a minute God has a God?

lol, exactly.

Well said. You know it is what it is. When we start to read for ourselves and stop letting this one or that one read to us we start to realize that they are pushing dogma with an agenda.

ya'll love yall some bobby hemmitt dont yall....

Yes indeed!