"the Ausarian approach to resolving family conflicts --- Embrace the God within your enemy until your enemy becomes your friend"

i'm butting heads with somebody over at afrochat who claims to be at the level of ausar and who tells me that we should embrace white people.
she says that is what the metu neter says to do.

i have a problem with that.

is there no room for warriors in khemetic society?

Embracing the enemy??? Haven't we done that enough? Embraced others for over 4,000 years now. :danger:

"the Ausarian approach to resolving family conflicts --- Embrace the God within your enemy until your enemy becomes your friend"

i'm butting heads with somebody over at afrochat who claims to be at the level of ausar and who tells me that we should embrace white people.
she says that is what the metu neter says to do.

i have a problem with that.

is there no room for warriors in khemetic society?

SMDH. We have been trying to embrace these people and where has it gotten us? You cannot embrace an ENEMY and expect to be victorious! And I don't consider whitey a family member either. Btw, I know nothing about the Metu Neter, just sharing my two cents.

Embracing the enemy??? Haven't we done that enough? Embraced others for over 4,000 years now. :danger:
she states that is what the metu neter tells us...

SMDH. We have been trying to embrace these people and where has it gotten us? You cannot embrace an ENEMY and expect to be victorious! And I don't consider whitey a family member either. Btw, I know nothing about the Metu Neter, just sharing my two cents.

no disrespect intended to anyone... I'm new, and I was reading this thread..... Just an observation.... we hate when people refer to us as "you people"... I just want to know why it is ok for us to act in this way also... IMO in order to rise above something u gotta be better then it...

hate to me, is it's own worse enemy .... ????

Warriors
There are all kinds of warriors. Some choose the weapons of the material world:

The gun. An example would be Paul Kagame leading the RPF to overthrow the genocidal, French-puppet, government of Rwanda.
The spear. An example would be the 3000 Zulus who, fearing not the guns of the Boers, gave their lives defending their homes from the foreign invaders. Only 3 Boers died in that battle. And, in the typical fashion of the spiritually immature, those Boers bowed their heads and praised their white god for leading them to victory. But, the One who is Unknown --- Amen -- had the last laugh when, a century and a half later, the Afrikaneer descendants of those Boers had to accept a native son of Africa, Mandela, as their President.
Some choose weapons not made by human hands:

The Fire That No Water Can Put Out. An example would be Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. who, fearing not the guns, clubs, and hoses of the racist state, stood up as a man and refused to be told where he could live, where he could eat, where he could sit, or where he could vote.
Satya Graha. The obvious example would be Gandhi, who, fearing not the guns of the British, refused to be told he could not govern his own country.
We people of color have been blessed with both types of warriors. The Master raises up some of us to prefer the sword, and some to prefer the Word. I, he raised up to prefer the Word.

For most of us, not only do we prefer one approach, but we hold contempt for the other. Perhaps, the Dravidian rooted systems are correct in their assessment that we can not help but be who our accumulated samskaras prepare us to be.

We must all be careful not to attempt to ram our personal belief system down the throats of those who have differing convictions. As long as a child of the woman clothed in the sun is genuinely struggling to fight the Beast, using whatever weapon the One has placed in his or her hand, we should either fight alongside him or her or, if that is not within us, at the very least, we should get out of his or her way.

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Embracing Your Enemy

The Metu Neter is a study in Oneness - as are the Upanishads, the Bhagavad Gita, and the red words in the christian bible. Few their be among us who discern this, which is understandable. Even those of us who are not white were, nevertheless, born and raised in the belly of the beast. All our lives, we have been bombarded with a myriad of cultural influences all designed to convince us of of the flawed world view of the sons of Gog, Magog, Gomer, and Askenaz which the Metu Neter accurately describes as a left brain dominant compulsion to _separate_ instead of _unify_.

Carried to its logical conclusion, which few are able to grasp, is that the omnipresence which is synonymous with Ausar must include, not just black people, but _all_ the manifestations of Ra --- even those which happen to be insufferably annoying caucasians.

Metu Neter - Volume II - page 111 (speaking of Sphere 1 - Ausar)
As omnipresence is an attribute of this indwelling intelligence, its resurrection, i.e., the extension of its function from the subconscious to the conscious sphere of Man's life, or the doing of that Glory on earth that is done in heaven, if you prefer, is the only way to bring about the unity that is the prerequisite for peace on earth and prosperity for all. Viewed from another perspective, omnipresence means that there can only be one Being dwelling in and as all creatures. This is the basis of unity in the world. Most important, we must understand that this is the real meaning of monothesism, which does not denote one God, but the Unitarian reality that is the life of all creatures, and the source of all the metaphysical intelligences through which the activities of the world are administered. Understand this and you will know that in killing others, you are destroying a vessel through which God expresses Itself. This sphere corresponds to the Ba part of the spirit.

For most of us, not only do we prefer one approach, but we hold contempt for the other.
for me, the key is to respect each others position even when disagreeing with it. the art of disagreeing without being disagreeable.

the true teacher does not have contempt for the student.

indeed, my teachers have shown me love and support even when i was not as far along the path as they were.
i say we meet people where they are. each one teach one.

peace

Metu Neter - Volume II - page 111 (speaking of Sphere 1 - Ausar)
As omnipresence is an attribute of this indwelling intelligence, its resurrection, i.e., the extension of its function from the subconscious to the conscious sphere of Man's life, or the doing of that Glory on earth that is done in heaven, if you prefer, is the only way to bring about the unity that is the prerequisite for peace on earth and prosperity for all. Viewed from another perspective, omnipresence means that there can only be one Being dwelling in and as all creatures. This is the basis of unity in the world. Most important, we must understand that this is the real meaning of monotheism, which does not denote one God, but the Unitarian reality that is the life of all creatures, and the source of all the metaphysical intelligences through which the activities of the world are administered. Understand this and you will know that in killing others, you are destroying a vessel through which God expresses Itself. This sphere corresponds to the Ba part of the spirit.
if a man breaks into your house at 3 in the morning do you embrace him or shoot him?

if a man breaks into your house at 3 in the morning do you embrace him or shoot him?
That is a great question for black people to seriously consider because that man breaking into our house is probably going to be a young black male --- literally the future of our race.

The easy answer is that there is no right or wrong action in such a situation. Even Gandhi and King did not condemn violence in the name of self-defense. They didn't go so far as to recommend it. But, they also did not condemn it.

Each of us will end up taking a course of action based on the samskaras we have accumulated over our perceived past incarnations.

For me, personally, there is nothing to think about. I live alone, I have no fear of death, and there is no way I am going to kill another black person, especially a young black male, over material posessions. Besides, based on what I have seen my friends and relatives do with the guns they buy for "self-defense", I do not, nor ever would, own a gun.

So, what would I do? I would look the young brother in the eye, let him know I was not going to lift a finger to prevent him from taking anything he wants, thank Ra for blessing me with a captive audience, and then lecture that young brother, for as long as he is in my house, on the real reason black people kill and rob other black people.

for me, the key is to respect each others position even when disagreeing with it. the art of disagreeing without being disagreeable.

the true teacher does not have contempt for the student.

indeed, my teachers have shown me love and support even when i was not as far along the path as they were.
i say we meet people where they are. each one teach one.

peace

Yes, everything you are saying is true. Some teachers are more compassionate than others. It sounds like this person you were interfacing with is one of those Mr. Miyagi "wax on, wax off" kind of people.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/a/a9/Karate_kid.jpg/200px-Karate_kid.jpg

if a man breaks into your house at 3 in the morning do you embrace him or shoot him?
That is a great question for black people to seriously consider because that man breaking into our house is probably going to be a young black male --- literally the future of our race.

The easy answer is that there is no right or wrong action in such a situation. Even Gandhi and King did not condemn violence in the name of self-defense. They didn't go so far as to recommend it. But, they also did not condemn it.

Each of us will end up taking a course of action based on the samskaras we have accumulated over our perceived past incarnations.

For me, personally, there is nothing to think about. I live alone, I have no fear of death, and there is no way I am going to kill another black person, especially a young black male, over material posessions. Besides, based on what I have seen my friends and relatives do with the guns they buy for "self-defense", I do not, nor ever would, own a gun.

So, what would I do? I would look the young brother in the eye, let him know I was not going to lift a finger to prevent him from taking anything he wants, thank Ra for blessing me with a captive audience, and then lecture that young brother, for as long as he is in my house, on the real reason black people kill and rob other black people.
if a white man breaks into your house at 3 in the morning do you embrace him or shoot him?

.... we hate when people refer to us as "you people"... I just want to know why it is ok for us to act in this way also...

we have not committed a crime against white people. they have committed a crime against us. there is a difference between the victim and the perpetrator.

your logic makes them equal.

no disrespect intended to anyone... I'm new, and I was reading this thread..... Just an observation.... we hate when people refer to us as "you people"... I just want to know why it is ok for us to act in this way also... IMO in order to rise above something u gotta be better then it...

hate to me, is it's own worse enemy .... ????

Let me state plainly I don't give a flip what the beasts think of us. And I will refer to whitey how I choose. I am for MY people and MY people only. Rainbow, we are the world people will not like what I have to say, period.

Brother James:

From "Maat the 11 Laws of God", Ra Un Nefer Amen:

To love your enemy then, is an act of conquest, not submissive resignation. But of course you have to be genuinely at peace in the situation - hey this guy is trying to kill you. (...) It is criminally irresponsible to tell the spiritually, and intellectually, and morally immature person to love his enemies. (...) The problem is not how one goes about loving ones enemies. (...) The spiritual goal of Maat is to become a -loving person- (...). It must be understood that love towards these people is not expressed by turning the other cheeck or giving them the shirt off your back, or sitting with them to break break. In some occasions, such would be the right thing to do, not in others. If you come home and find a man raping your daughter, you offer him your wife? If it became necessary to kill him, the law of love and oneness would not be violated

One.

~Ikoro

If you come home and find a man raping your daughter, you offer him your wife? If it became necessary to kill him, the law of love and oneness would not be violated

One.

~Ikoro
and if you come home and find a white man brainwashing and enslaving your people?

are there no warriors in khemet? is there no one who will pick up the sword and fight? are men to be emasculated?
what is the practical application of this law in a world that is full of beasts and parasites?

It is criminally irresponsible to tell the spiritually, and intellectually, and morally immature person to love his enemies.
if this is true why would anyone broadcast this concept on the internet? there are many immature persons here.

are there no warriors in khemet? is there anyone who will pick up the sword and fight? are men to be emasculated?
what is the practical application of this law in a world that is full of beasts and parasites?

Very few warriors.:em4600:

Let us look at a few examples of Africans embracing others and where it got us.

Embraced Greeks to use as mercenaries against the Persians [result Kmt conquered 332 BC. The Greeks become rulers of Kmt as Ptolemies]

Embraced the Arabs to help fight Romans [result invaded conquered 7th
century AD the introduction of Islam and slavery---> Can someone say "Sudan and Mauritania" ]

Numidians embraced Romans to help Romans fight General Hannibal (Punic Wars) [result once the Romans defeated Hannibal the Numidians were conquered and made servant to the Romans]

(Note it was an African by the name of Cornelius Scipo who sold his services to the Romans and helped the Romans defeat Ancestor General Hannibal) :em4600:

Khoisan embraced the Dutch [result South Africa stands and the Dutch, Boers, British, Jews etc own 87% of the land]

West Africans embraced the Portuguese and Spaniards as trading partners [result a long trip on the bottom of a boat for 90 days and 90 nights]

The sad thing with 4,500 years of history teaching the African some lessons Lessons we should have learned: stop being so naive. Stop the silly notion of "loving the world". Stop talking about loving everyone because the world is ran by "power" not "love". Stop believing other people on face value. Observe their actions and words. Stop letting others into your house. It looks as if we have not learned a lesson from 4,500 years of ourstory because now wer are letting the new exploiters in--> Japanese, chinese, koreans, etc.

If anyone can list an example where the African benefited collectively by loving, embracing others please list it. Benefited collectively not individually. Other groups benefit collectively because of our silliness.

Tranquility

"the Ausarian approach to resolving family conflicts --- Embrace the God within your enemy until your enemy becomes your friend"

i'm butting heads with somebody over at afrochat who claims to be at the level of ausar and who tells me that we should embrace white people.
she says that is what the metu neter says to do.

i have a problem with that.

is there no room for warriors in khemetic society?

The Metu Neter does not say embrace White People no more than it says embrace your "Person."

The Metu Neter explains that Maat is all about cultivating yourself to be a loving person. If one does not understand Love and Justice they will have an issue with it one way or another.

If you are fighting out of fear, revenge, or any other manifestation of ill-balance but cannot impose the same fire on your person, when appropriate, then one does not need to be classified a warrior ...maybe a juggernaut but not a true warrior.

Then again ...like love,freedom,justice ect...people have different definitions of being a warrior. Hetepu

This is what I have gleaned from reading all of the text and doing the knowledge.

Where do you draw the line of who you should embrace? And what criteria do you use to draw this line. I'm sure these same lines drawn between different races by ppl are drawn within those races. Crips and Bloods for example.

james,

what did this person mean by 'embrace'? What did they mean by saying that they are at the level of Ausar?

I think it is obvious that we do not embrace white people like that. Yes we recognize they exist, are part of humanity or whatever, but if somebody breaks into your house at 3 am you don't invite them to breakfast.

At lot of people quote books that they don't thoroughly read or spiritual teachers that they dont' really study with.

"the Ausarian approach to resolving family conflicts --- Embrace the God within your enemy until your enemy becomes your friend"

i'm butting heads with somebody over at afrochat who claims to be at the level of ausar and who tells me that we should embrace white people.
she says that is what the metu neter says to do.

i have a problem with that.

is there no room for warriors in khemetic society?


Hotep JamesfrmPhilly
and Thank you for the topic!

Here are my experiences, strengths and plans RE~lated to this topic:

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In addition, I'd add ummmm...

I have to go and listen again (i completed video over an hour ago) yet, i know there was something i wanted to add or clarify:SuN011: :qqb018:
chalk it up to MY age...getting at that stage where major brain farts happen LOL
or...maybe i'll just wait and see if you have any questions bout what i said.

I DID INTEND TO KEEP IT NO LONGER THAN 5 mins....YET....:hearthis: being the FEMALE/WOMAN that I AM....well..you know


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Europeans embrace us. Some do it out of sincere compassion and some out of strategic ambition.

Discerning who is who involves a dance some of us choose to learn, but either way, it's much simpler to implant a knife in the back after an embrace.

With respect to the metu neter, I am an admitted novice of the doctrine.

From what I can determine the teachings make no distinction between races other than to instruct on the general inclinations of left vs right brain thinking in various cultures.

When I read the metu neter I see nothing in it implying a european has any more or less ability to seek Ausar than an African.

Music Producer's assertions that the teachings in the medu neter are akin to the teachings of christianity make sense to me in this regard.

At the end of the day there seems to be little difference in the practical application of the teachings.

Actually, White people can purportedly strive to be whatever they want to.

There is nothing stopping a white man from reading the Metu Neter and proclaiming he is or on the path to being Ausar.

Alexander The Grape arrogated for himself the right to be Ptah in Human Form.

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The fundamental ordering of things is veiled within Natures fractals/patterns

http://www.skylarkbooks.co.uk/Shop/media/RosicrucianOrder.JPG

Actually ...white people don't have to read the Metu Neter...They been decyphering...pillaging and plundering...stockpiling from jumpstreet...They Framed the foundation of this "America construct" off of Truisms and African axioms, organized into policies and procedures, to suit their comforts.
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We don't have to do nothin but "BE who WE BE"...."WE BE who WE BE" and the white man may not WANT to embrace you. :?:

{Revolutions ending}
Smith/Oracle: What? What did I just say? No... No, this isn't right, this can't be right. Get away from me!
Neo: What are you afraid of?
Smith/Oracle: It's a trick!
Neo: You were right, Smith. You were always right. It was inevitable.
{Smith/Oracle imprints over Neo}
Smith/Oracle: Is it over?

MenNefer: Is It?

IN moments such as the one you are introducing. The only way i can come to a conclusion is to consider an example i see in nature to teach me what to do. In this example the problem is conflicting examples that are placed in the theorized discussed and when it sounds good laws by the "humanistic" termed being in our limited growth process computers. Nature in my opinion is in direct communication with the source. Insects nor animals embrace an identified enemy when placed in a hostile situation. Melanated individuals are in a hostile situation on this planet. However there are certain schools of thought that teach altimate hotep or peace in all situations to over come all. I have yet to see that example exercised in nature in reality. not theorized products of men reality. And if we are practicing that model of embracing let's take a look into product of the equation i think the sum speaks for itself.

IN moments such as the one you are introducing. The only way i can come to a conclusion is to consider an example i see in nature to teach me what to do. In this example the problem is conflicting examples that are placed in the theorized discussed and when it sounds good laws by the "humanistic" termed being in our limited growth process computers. Nature in my opinion is in direct communication with the source. Insects nor animals embrace an identified enemy when placed in a hostile situation. Melanated individuals are in a hostile situation on this planet. However there are certain schools of thought that teach altimate hotep or peace in all situations to over come all. I have yet to see that example exercised in nature in reality. not theorized products of men reality. And if we are practicing that model of embracing let's take a look into product of the equation i think the sum speaks for itself.

Shekhem Ur Shekhem Ra Un Nefer Amen (In my degree of understanding) teaches that "Hetep" (Unshakeable inner peace) is the fulcrum of what we/reality is/are. When one acknowledges (or believes) that something/person is intrinsically against them, they are also acknowledging an inherent separation as reality. Tehuti (7 axioms) states that All truths are but half truths and that opposites fundamentally complement. What is also stated is that "All is Mind." The issue is white people have always had the luxury of "Defining" the terms upon how they should be embraced. We confuse those terms (and what is implied by "Embrace") with the historical implications/ramifications of black people when we embraced whites on those terms. If one believes they ARE the person and that they come from animals (although this can be *construed* as a universal truth) then they will build their logic from that premise and in-turn act and behave in the manner it suggest.

My understanding (again) stems from what I have soaked up via the Metu Neter and "Actually" the Paut Neteru as it corresponds to my experience of Nature/Neter/I.

It's a crude analogy, but thats like asking someone who keeps a dirty house and lives downtown ...should they embrace roaches.

Nucca... if you keep marinating in the atmosphere that roaches dig then it aint really your choice.:qqb007:

Historically, The winds of change was blowing like a mofo before whites even showed up. (True Neteru experience the highest heights and the lowest depths as well as the processes of oscillating from one to the other.) * It is our nature

Shekhem Ur Shekhem Ra Un Nefer Amen (In my degree of understanding) teaches that "Hetep" (Unshakeable inner peace) is the fulcrum of what we/reality is/are. When one acknowledges (or believes) that something/person is intrinsically against them, they are also acknowledging an inherent separation as reality. Tehuti (7 axioms) states that All truths are but half truths and that opposites fundamentally complement. What is also stated is that "All is Mind." The issue is white people have always had the luxury of "Defining" the terms upon how they should be embraced. We confuse those terms (and what is implied by "Embrace") with the historical implications/ramifications of black people when we embraced whites on those terms. If one believes they ARE the person and that they come from animals (although this can be *construed* as a universal truth) then they will build their logic from that premise and in-turn act and behave in the manner it suggest.

My understanding (again) stems from what I have soaked up via the Metu Neter and "Actually" the Paut Neteru as it corresponds to my experience of Nature/Neter/I.

It's a crude analogy, but thats like asking someone who keeps a dirty house and lives downtown ...should they embrace roaches.

Nucca... if you keep marinating in the atmosphere that roaches dig then it aint really your choice.:qqb007:

Historically, The winds of change was blowing like a mofo before whites even showed up. (True Neteru experience the highest heights and the lowest depths as well as the processes of oscillating from one to the other.) * It is our nature




I have studied mister amen as well. Although I
Must admit I have only read both volumes twice.
However I understand the quotes regarding
Seeing seperation as a reality when the truth is a greater whole. There is an interesting story located in the gilgamesh epics regarding the acceptance and mentoring
Of dracoian being named hayal because of limited capabilities by his race
To accept differences. It did not work anu and his consorts could not teach the draconians to think as a whole. The rest is his story. I agree with the latter part of your post . Marcus garvey stated that the american melanated slave so called negro is the only freed once inslaved group of indivuduals whom choose to stay with their inslavers. Question were can we go on this elemental being without involvement of melanin recessive individuals. Sorry if my submission looks crazy . I did it from my hand held .I have not fiqured it out it.
Hotep menefer thanx for the feedback .

"the Ausarian approach to resolving family conflicts --- Embrace the God within your enemy until your enemy becomes your friend"

i'm butting heads with somebody over at afrochat who claims to be at the level of ausar and who tells me that we should embrace white people.
she says that is what the metu neter says to do.

i have a problem with that.

There ain't NOBODY at the level of Ausar who's gonna be in an internet chat room announcing to the world that they've ascended to the Ausar level while simultaneously debating anything. Trust me on that. For your reference, do you remember last year when ol' boy made the laughable claim of having attained sphere 0 while concocting & spreading malicious lies about R.U.N.A. and the Ausar Auset Society? Here we go again, this time with somebody claiming to have ascended to the 1st sphere talking that crazy talk.

You can tell where people are spiritually by how they behave.

If you look at the pictorial representation of Ausar, you'll notice that he holds the crook in one hand and the flail in the other. The crook is for gently guiding the individual who has gone astray back to the right path. The flail, on the other hand, is an instrument of war, because "even" Ausar understands that sometimes you can't reason with a muthafrigga; every now and then you just gotta kick some mass.

is there no room for warriors in khemetic society?

Mos' def. See above.

thanks, i feel a lot better now....

Do we embrace white people?

If your finger is gangrened or frostbitten or cancerous you wouldn't say well it's a part of my body. I must love the cancer. I must embrace the gangrene until it becomes healthy.

No matter what logic you use you will not be able to help your friend understand this as long as they believe the metu neter teaches otherwise. That right there shows a lack of understanding what the metu neter really is. The metu neter is not a book written by Ra Un Nefer Amen. The metu neter (word of God) is the indwelling intelligence with which we were all created. If we find something that helps us in a book, wonderful, But if I'm going to cannonize every word in a book and refer to it above and beyond my own mind then I might as well go on back to church and join the choir.

You don't become enlightened by psyching yourself out. If a man breaks into your home at 3 in the a.m. you will not produce positive energy by offering him a seat and trying to make him your friend.

My ancestors won't allow me to embrace negative thoughts and feelings. That is true enlightenment: responding to the realities of life without getting bent out of shape. Not letting someone's ugliness ruin your day. Think about it, brotha. If this person has achieved such a high level of enlightenment why are the two of you butting heads? When a person has a cow trying to convince you they found peace, sumptin's wrong. Knowamsane?

This has been a public service message brought to you by Da River

There ain't NOBODY at the level of Ausar who's gonna be in an internet chat room announcing to the world that they've ascended to the Ausar level while simultaneously debating anything. Trust me on that. For your reference, do you remember last year when ol' boy made the laughable claim of having attained sphere 0 while concocting spreading malicious lies about R.U.N.A. and the Ausar Auset Society? Here we go again, this time with somebody claiming to have ascended to the 1st sphere talking that crazy talk.

You can tell where people are spiritually by how they behave.

If you look at the pictorial representation of Ausar, you'll notice that he holds the crook in one hand and the flail in the other. The crook is for gently guiding the individual who has gone astray back to the right path. The flail, on the other hand, is an instrument of war, because "even" Ausar understands that sometimes you can't reason with a muthafrigga; every now and then you just gotta kick some mass.



Mos' def. See above.



Hotep sami
My thoughts exactly even the highly intelligent beast of x men overstood that. Holla

if a man breaks into your house at 3 in the morning do you embrace him or shoot him?
1. Shoot the bastid.
2. Make out a police report
3. Go back to bed.

thanks, i feel a lot better now....
No problem.

This fake Ausar person sounds like somebody white who's trying to use our spiritual principles to manipulate us. That's how they control people of Afrikan descent who don't embrace their religious doctrines.

1. Shoot the bastid.
2. Make out a police report
3. Go back to bed.

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Racism Non~Anonymous

"Simple Solutions for Complete BE~ings" !



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Racism Non~Anonymous

"Simple Solutions for Complete BE~ings" !



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and...

then I had this to say...

and...

JAMESFROMMYHOMETOWNE!

It's UNDER 3 mins!!!!! :grin::grin::grin:

:hearts2:

There ain't NOBODY at the level of Ausar who's gonna be in an internet chat room announcing to the world that they've ascended to the Ausar level while simultaneously debating anything. Trust me on that. For your reference, do you remember last year when ol' boy made the laughable claim of having attained sphere 0 while concocting & spreading malicious lies about R.U.N.A. and the Ausar Auset Society? Here we go again, this time with somebody claiming to have ascended to the 1st sphere talking that crazy talk.

You can tell where people are spiritually by how they behave.

If you look at the pictorial representation of Ausar, you'll notice that he holds the crook in one hand and the flail in the other. The crook is for gently guiding the individual who has gone astray back to the right path. The flail, on the other hand, is an instrument of war, because "even" Ausar understands that sometimes you can't reason with a muthafrigga; every now and then you just gotta kick some mass.



Mos' def. See above.

I found myself nodding my head in agreement to this...but after a little reflection....it's mainly because I want to believe it.

Where in the doctrine of Metu Neter or in the practical application of the doctrine does anybody kick any mass?

Where in the Metu Neter are "white" people identified as the enemy?

If the Metu Neter truly are profound, authentic spiritual texts their universality extends beyond the modern trickery of race.

Where in the Metu Neter are "white" people identified as the enemy?
me, james, i identify them as the enemy!

and...

then I had this to say...

and...

JAMESFROMMYHOMETOWNE!

It's UNDER 3 mins!!!!! :grin::grin::grin:

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A HAHAAHAHAHA....I never added the video!...LOL

aite, lets see..

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there! now, I don't even remember how much on "topic" it is...yet, I was a direct reply to what I said here to Sami_RaMaati


AND...I agree with James in that as a W.A.D., I see/experience white folks as my enemy and, I am NOT about to embrace them. Well, I'd like to act as The~Rapist with them as well...Raping their minds of the b.s. illusions they hold about US and Them!


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me, james, i identify them as the enemy!

ok. you james. which enemy is more dangerous. the one within you or the external ones over which you exercise little control?

ok. you james. which enemy is more dangerous. the one within you or the external ones over which you exercise little control?

UMMMMM..this has me :thinking:


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UMMMMM..this has me :thinking:


:hearts2:


You KNOW what Kemetkind....and James...

It's still all about the Both/And for M.E.

Therefore, Both are equally problemmatic and RE~quire attention...

for M.E.

and, I was having a conversation with Brother Clyde Coger about this thread and this same question could BE asked of those who hold the Bible out as THE answer for "life", "loving", "salvation" and/or guides to Living.
I don't have an exact "address" (term used by those of the Christian faith to identify book and verse of particular scriptural reference), yet, there are a few which support an "embracing of ones enemy". For example...
"love thy neighbors as thy self", or "hold my piece and let the Lord fight my battles" and, "Vengance is mine saith the Lord".
Now, many in my FAMILY have taught and uphold that BE~lief and...

I have a problem with that.

Of primary concern is the that,
1. I have white folk living in the majority of the homes surrounding the one in which I reside.
2. I have a battle of sorts with white folk in that they have told some lies on M.E. and my people for a very long time and, based on those lies, have proceeded to implement a shystem designed to hold A~Free~Kans in a position of subordination to them.
and
3. To accomplish that goal, they have raped, beat, murdered, ...plain ole traumatized my ANCESTORS and forced them to labor to build this great Nation of which folk like MrRon speaks of. This Nation which is continually upheld and defended by people who look like M.E. (earth tone..you know.."god took the dirt/earth or something to that effect and shaped Man).


So...as a RE~sult, many of US now seem to :thinking: WE would Do best to "focus on self" while in the meantime,.....THEY are continueing to screw US royally "every which way but loose".

So...there you have it.

Oh Yes...you asked..."which is worse" or something like that...

ummmmm...Still about "first things first" for M.E.
THEY (My enemy...aka...white lunatics and those who THINK like them)...need to get off they foot off my back.....fangs out my neck.... and stinking pee pee out my backside ...

THEN...

I can DO the neccessary work to Wash them out of my psychic..

BOTH/AND..

Thanks for Listening to M.E. share!

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which enemy is more dangerous. the one within you or the external ones over which you exercise little control?
the external one of course

"the Ausarian approach to resolving family conflicts --- Embrace the God within your enemy until your enemy becomes your friend"

i'm butting heads with somebody over at afrochat who claims to be at the level of ausar and who tells me that we should embrace white people.
she says that is what the metu neter says to do.

i have a problem with that.

is there no room for warriors in khemetic society?

The people that walk around with their heads filled with these romantic illusions really flips me. They complete disregard the reality that for over four hundred years black people have been engaged in reaching out to the God and good in White people, but are no closer to their target now, than when they began this elusive pursuit centiries ago. In fact, we are where we are in this world because of leadership and strategies that pursue this fleeting illusion, rather than engaging in what is practical, in what is sound, in what every other group does.

Basically some us achieve ego fulfillment from carthartic remedies in mysticisms and religious dogma. Me, I am practical and to the bone. We do unto others as they do unto us, and as we would have them do unto us. Let us focus on finding the God power that is within us and using it to propell our struggles beyond the interference of the enemy. If we can do that the enemy will find the God within themselves without any help from us. And bully for them when they do.

ok. you james. which enemy is more dangerous. the one within you or the external ones over which you exercise little control?

Bro Kemet, when I first read these words I thought it was a ridiculous question to ask. Obviously the external I thought. But now I wonder.

Looking at the very question presented in this thread is eye-opening, imo. If a group is openly waging war against you and your people (and have done so for a long period of time) and you strive to embrace that group, YOU are a bigger threat/enemy to your (and the group's) health and well-being than the open enemy. Why? Because you are running toward destruction instead of devising ways of protecting yourself from it. So while you cannot stop the external enemy from waging war, you can work on changing the enemy within so that you seek to protect yourself from danger instead of running toward or embracing destruction.

I found myself nodding my head in agreement to this...but after a little reflection....it's mainly because I want to believe it.

Where in the doctrine of Metu Neter or in the practical application of the doctrine does anybody kick any mass?

FYI, "Kick some mass" is actually a play on the words -- "kick some azzz."

Metu Neter is not a doctrine, but to answer your question, since the scope of the question and discussion -- which deal with how should one respond to a threat against ones person or group -- is beyond the scope of the book so is the answer. Unlike others here, I have the advantage of having heard R.U.N.A. address this issue before: "If someone is attacking you and you know kung fu, then kung fu 'em." Within the context of Metu Neter, this makes sense for a couple of reasons:

1. the need to maintain one's physical integrity in order to serve as a vehicle through which God's light shines in the world.

2. Attacks against ones person (or against another group) is a violation of Divine Law (Maat) as it threatens the integrity of the whole and must be stopped. This is the role of Herukhuti, the enforcer of Divine Law (who, incidentally, governs law enforcement and the military). An individual who has ascended to the level of Ausar would know this and would not advocate such nonsense as "embrace your enemy until your enemy becomes your friend" without the proper context or background.

3. R.U.N.A. deals with this in vol 2, page 202, in which he points out that it's okay to break bread with wrongdoers, but only AFTER the following conditions are met: they must be apprehended, punished, and raised up to the level of Ausar. That eliminates any and all doubts as to whether we should embrace white people or others who would do us harm.
Where in the Metu Neter are "white" people identified as the enemy?
Nowhere.If the Metu Neter truly are profound, authentic spiritual texts their universality extends beyond the modern trickery of race.

Tru dat. On the other hand, the thread itself raises the very practical question of what is the Ausarian approach to dealing with those who pose an immediate threat of physical harm. That would include white people, but it's certainly not limited to them.

If a group is openly waging war against you and your people (and have done so for a long period of time) and you strive to embrace that group, YOU are a bigger threat/enemy to your (and the group's) health and well-being than the open enemy. Why? Because you are running toward destruction instead of devising ways of protecting yourself from it. So while you cannot stop the external enemy from waging war, you can work on changing the enemy within so that you seek to protect yourself from danger instead of running toward or embracing destruction.


Exactly sista Faithsoulsista....I couldn't agree more.

The enemy within is far more dangerous, for if you have no mastery over it, everything else is moot.

Our failure to have mastery over it, is often masked to the point where our internal enemy cripples us with destructive forces whilst remaining undetected.

If you have mastery over self, you can equip and prepare to effectively confront external challenges and threats.

I like what Bro E.Williams posted earlier about finding parallels in nature, for this same principle applies even on a cellular level.

Q. Which are the most destructive and incurable diseases?

A. Auto-immune diseases that turn the bodies own defenses against itself.

Europeans have greater relative power than we do because individually, collectively, nationally, geopolitically, they exercise greater self-mastery.

They embrace external enemies, strategically, as a matter of survival.

Increasingly, the same can be said for Indians and Chinese.

Whether you choose to embrace or not to embrace an enemy (or an ally) should be a tactical decision made after considering all relevant variables.

Life experience has told me that the racial construct is one variable, but not the only, and especially these days, not the most critical.

I haven't come across anything in the metu neter or any other legitimate spiritual text refuting that.

For discussions sake,

I guess you can say that the European (Specifically&Collectively...Consciously or Unconsciously) has had a considerable stake in my "Enemy within dillema." Even if the European shares this dillema with me fundamentally, (Maybe if he truly resolved it he wouldn't even exist separate from me ) it would be analogous to Oprah (in the color purple) back seat driving for Missy (Whatever the white chicks name was); she can't drive and tearin the car up, completely oblivious to how her shananigans were affecting oprah and family. She defined the relationship,the way she felt comfortable, and through "counter-transference" assumed oprah should have been proud to be with her and have the position. Should I embrace a people who identify with a cultural construct that gets its leverage from me losing the battle with my enemy within ..........Hmmmmmmm???

Maybe I SHOULD just keep methodically waging war on that enemy (within) or at least learn how the instigator uses my per-son against me (Which is metaphorized as my enemy IE, "SET."

In the meantime I will embrace with trepidation. (Assuming the manifold of inferences concerning the word: "Embrace")

Exactly sista Faithsoulsista....I couldn't agree more.

The enemy within is far more dangerous, for if you have no mastery over it, everything else is moot.

Our failure to have mastery over it, is often masked to the point where our internal enemy cripples us with destructive forces whilst remaining undetected.

If you have mastery over self, you can equip and prepare to effectively confront external challenges and threats.

I like what Bro E.Williams posted earlier about finding parallels in nature, for this same principle applies even on a cellular level.

Q. Which are the most destructive and incurable diseases?

A. Auto-immune diseases that turn the bodies own defenses against itself.

Europeans have greater relative power than we do because individually, collectively, nationally, geopolitically, they exercise greater self-mastery.

They embrace external enemies, strategically, as a matter of survival.

Increasingly, the same can be said for Indians and Chinese.

Whether you choose to embrace or not to embrace an enemy (or an ally) should be a tactical decision made after considering all relevant variables.

Life experience has told me that the racial construct is one variable, but not the only, and especially these days, not the most critical.

I haven't come across anything in the metu neter or any other legitimate spiritual text refuting that.

Yes, I do see your point about the internal enemy. But are euros really embracing enemies? I think perhaps we do not have the same definition of the word embrace.

Btw, why would we want to imitate the euro? We have seen the wanton destruction they have wreaked upon the planet. Do we really want to model that sickness?

FYI, "Kick some mass" is actually a play on the words -- "kick some azzz."


Didn't mean to imply I didn't catch your play on words...I was just wondering whether the metu neter had anything to say about practical matters of self defense.



Metu Neter is not a doctrine, but to answer your question, since the scope of the question and discussion -- which deal with how should one respond to a threat against ones person or group -- is beyond the scope of the book so is the answer.

I too have picked up on the fact that we are attempting to address a secular topic within the context of a spiritual philosophy (hopefully that fits better than "doctrine", if not, clue me in on the proper categorical descriptor for the metu neter).

But this is where traditional religion fails us, as it has difficulty translating practical life action from spiritual theory.

We must step outside of traditional religion to gain clarity on how to deal with so-called white people, and in this regard and on this topic, the metu neter seems no different.



Unlike others here, I have the advantage of having heard R.U.N.A. address this issue before: "If someone is attacking you and you know kung fu, then kung fu 'em." Within the context of Metu Neter, this makes sense for a couple of reasons:

1. the need to maintain one's physical integrity in order to serve as a vehicle through which God's light shines in the world.

2. Attacks against ones person (or against another group) is a violation of Divine Law (Maat) as it threatens the integrity of the whole and must be stopped. This is the role of Herukhuti, the enforcer of Divine Law (who, incidentally, governs law enforcement and the military). An individual who has ascended to the level of Ausar would know this and would not advocate such nonsense as "embrace your enemy until your enemy becomes your friend" without the proper context or background.


Right. I get that. That's why I said I wanted to believe.

But from a practical perspective of implementation, either A) the AAS defines its boundaries narrowly enough to exclude itself from having to take action to stop attacks,

or

B) the AAS deals with these matters from a practical implementation exactly the same as other spiritual groups do....i.e...attacks against the group are made (black people), and direct action to prevent the attacks or bring justice to the attackers is not forthcoming and is not within the scope of the spiritual group's activities.

At the end of the day, the metu neter is no more or less revolutionary than the bible...both are spiritual texts which would have you ascend to a state of ultimate peace at one with the supreme being.

For inspiration about how to deal practically with matters of race....we have to look elsewhere.


3. R.U.N.A. deals with this in vol 2, page 202, in which he points out that it's okay to break bread with wrongdoers, but only AFTER the following conditions are met: they must be apprehended, punished, and raised up to the level of Ausar. That eliminates any and all doubts as to whether we should embrace white people or others who would do us harm.

Right, but the apprehending and punishing and raising up is not happening, and probably won't happen until there are enough functional Ausarians to make it happen.

So in the meantime just avoid them and hope for the best? While they continue to bombard?

No. Won't work IMO.

This would be like an ostrich putting its head in a hole in the middle of a battlefield.

For inspiration about how to deal practically with matters of race....we have to look elsewhere.
my study has helped me in dealing with the matters of race. the first law and the second law.

why would we want to imitate the euro? We have seen the wanton destruction they have wreaked upon the planet.
Do we really want to model that sickness?
no, we do not

Yes, I do see your point about the internal enemy. But are euros really embracing enemies? I think perhaps we do not have the same definition of the word embrace.

Btw, why would we want to imitate the euro? We have seen the wanton destruction they have wreaked upon the planet. Do we really want to model that sickness?


I agree the word embrace has contextual meaning. But in just about every definition of the word yes, those who have power routinely do embrace their enemies or opposition.

They are not embracing for the sake of embracing, they are doing it to know and understand the plans of the enemy.

I also agree with the sentiment that parroting the european for the sake of it is foolish.

But this reminds me of how some of our kids shun academics because they think excelling emulates white people...having been made a victim of the ultimate hoodwink....considering our ancestors produced the foundations of academia in the first place.

The european did not invent, but merely copied these techniques of dealing strategically with enemies. We often see Art of War and Sun Tzu credited, but many of the axioms are similar to African wisdom.

Regardless, wisdom is wisdom and knowledge is knowledge. Because one group or another is using it effectively doesn't diminish it.

Credited to Sun Tzu:
" One who knows the enemy and knows himself will not be in danger in a hundred battles.

One who does not know the enemy but knows himself will sometimes win, sometimes lose.

One who does not know the enemy and does not know himself will be in danger in every battle."

my study has helped me in dealing with the matters of race. the first law and the second law.


do tell.

I agree the word embrace has contextual meaning. But in just about every definition of the word yes, those who have power routinely do embrace their enemies or opposition.

They are not embracing for the sake of embracing, they are doing it to know and understand the plans of the enemy.

I also agree with the sentiment that parroting the european for the sake of it is foolish.

But this reminds me of how some of our kids shun academics because they think excelling emulates white people...having been made a victim of the ultimate hoodwink....considering our ancestors produced the foundations of academia in the first place.

The european did not invent, but merely copied these techniques of dealing strategically with enemies. We often see Art of War and Sun Tzu credited, but many of the axioms are similar to African wisdom.

Regardless, wisdom is wisdom and knowledge is knowledge. Because one group or another is using it effectively doesn't diminish it.

Credited to Sun Tzu:
" One who knows the enemy and knows himself will not be in danger in a hundred battles.

One who does not know the enemy but knows himself will sometimes win, sometimes lose.

One who does not know the enemy and does not know himself will be in danger in every battle."

Well that to me is not "embracing", but deception and trickery. To me an embrace is sincere and heartfelt and not a means to get close to someone for an ulterior motive. That is something entirely different in my eyes.

Now, I think when you say "embrace" you are speaking in terms of warfare. Ok, that I can follow. Now in regards to the Sun Tzu quotes, I can definitely see the importance of knowing the enemy and yourself. And I do understand the need for deception in warfare.

So I guess my question is: If we defeat the euro by playing by his sick and evil games, will we not become the very thing that we despise? And that which has plunged the world into degradation and destruction?

If we defeat the euro by playing by his sick and evil games, will we not become the very thing that we despise?

maybe, maybe not....just because you play a game does not mean you believe in it.

do tell.
Ma'aT
the first law and the second law


Amen

You were made in the likeness of a peace that nothing can disturb.
Reclaim your peace that you may attain to your reason for coming into existence:
The enjoyment of life.


Ausar

Your nature is an unconquerable peace, therefore nothing or no one can be against you.
All experiences come to you to promote your reclamation of peace, that you may, in turn, acquire wisdom and power.

:angel1:

So I guess my question is: If we defeat the euro by playing by his sick and evil games, will we not become the very thing that we despise? And that which has plunged the world into degradation and destruction?


An embrace and the motive behind an embrace are two entirely different things.

And this is not only about literal warfare, this applies to every day decisions made as we go about living life in this country.

Still, I guess I'm not following you. What sick and evil european games are you talking about?

I wouldn't consider critically deciding whom to embrace and when to embrace them deception and trickery, rather it is simply strategic action.

I've already alluded to the fact strategic engagement wasn't originated by the european...in fact, THEY have been late in the party to adopt it.

See the brutality of the civil war and world wars one and two. Contrast that with the cold war and the tactics deployed post vietnam.

As they learn more about ancient wisdom, they adopt it, but the trick is they have us believing they originated that which they pilfered.

So we confidently label their exploits sick and evil when in many cases they are only improvising upon what our ancestors developed.

These tactics are not intuitive, but neither are they sick or evil. I'd say quite the opposite since their ultimate goal is to preserve the whole and prevent destruction.

What is sick and evil is the historical modus operandi of some groups who are now appropriating our tactics.

the first law and the second law


Amen

You were made in the likeness of a peace that nothing can disturb.
Reclaim your peace that you may attain to your reason for coming into existence:
The enjoyment of life.


Ausar

Your nature is an unconquerable peace, therefore nothing or no one can be against you.
All experiences come to you to promote your reclamation of peace, that you may, in turn, acquire wisdom and power.

:angel1:

Hetep

Metu Neter is not a doctrine, but to answer your question, since the scope of the question and discussion -- which deal with how should one respond to a threat against ones person or group -- is beyond the scope of the book so is the answer. Unlike others here, I have the advantage of having heard R.U.N.A. address this issue before: "If someone is attacking you and you know kung fu, then kung fu 'em."
How To Embrace Your Enemy

There is more than one way to kung fu someone --- to embrace an enemy.

To embrace your enemy, you first have to draw him close enough to smell his fear, close enough to look though the window of his eyes into his very soul, close enough so that he cannot raise his fist without you becoming immediately aware so that you can deflect that blow back into his own being. Hold him tightly in your warm embrace until he realizes that his only escape is to Be Still And Know That I Am God!

I witnessed such an embrace a couple of days ago as I was taking my morning walk. A rodent [Set] was in the parking lot [the phenomenal world], wandering to and fro seeking whom he might devour.

Suddenly, as a thief in the night, a large bird swooped down from heaven, caught that rodent between its talons, and embraced it into submission.

1. the need to maintain one's physical integrity in order to serve as a vehicle through which God's light shines in the world.
You Are Not Your Body

RAUN consistently stresses in his two volume set, and in "MAAT - The 11 Laws of God", that the objective of each of the eleven steps is "to transfer the identity away from the person to the indwelling Divinity". A phrase such as "maintain ones physical integrity" runs the great risk of leading you back to the flawed perception that I am the body, rather than that I am the indwelling Divinity which is Ausar.

Yes, we are the vehicle through which God's light shines in the world. No, that vehicle is that the body, which is limited, but rather the Self, which knows no limitation. This physical body of ours is no more that a garment that we wear for a season. Take good care of it, of course, as you would any garment in your closet. But, know that the I is not the body.

Black people. The first of Men. Know this. The only power YT holds over you is his power to threaten your physical body, your emotions, and your mind. Transcend them all, become AUSAR, and YT will cease to have any power to oppress you.

3. R.U.N.A. deals with this in vol 2, page 202, in which he points out that it's okay to break bread with wrongdoers, but only AFTER the following conditions are met: they must be apprehended, punished, and raised up to the level of Ausar. That eliminates any and all doubts as to whether we should embrace white people or others who would do us harm.
The True Self, Even in White People, is God

This is a quote worth repeating in its entirety, so as not to misunderstand what RAUN is saying:

"Yes! The true Self in the killer is God, obviously as the dead Ausar at the bottom of the sea. Nevertheless, our oneness with him/her cannot be denied. But our sitting in fellowship, and breaking bread together can only take place, after S/he has been caught, punished, and redeemed -- i.e., Ausar within him/her resurrected."When we read this, with comprehension, we see that RAUN has completely transcended the petty segregative limitations of race. He recognizes, not white men, or 3 AM intruders, or killers, but only the true Self within All which is AUSAR.

In the Bhagavad Gita, Lord Krishna [Ausar] gives this advice to Arjuna [man]:

"Death means the attainment of heaven; victory means the enjoyment of the earth. Therefore rise up, Arjuna, resolved to fight!"

We are in a war and we do have a duty to fight. I am sure Jamesfromphilly's friend did not mean to suggest that we should not fight our enemy, but rather that we should be smarter in our choice of weapons.

Do not fail to fight this righteous war. Embrace your enemy with the talons of the Word [Tehuti]. Hold him there, tightly, until he ceases to resist.

How To Embrace Your Enemy

There is more than one way to kung fu someone --- to embrace an enemy.

To embrace your enemy, you first have to draw him close enough to smell his fear, close enough to look though the window of his eyes into his very soul, close enough so that he cannot raise his fist without you becoming immediately aware so that you can deflect that blow back into his own being. Hold him tightly in your warm embrace until he realizes that his only escape is to Be Still And Know That I Am God!

I witnessed such an embrace a couple of days ago as I was taking my morning walk. A rodent [Set] was in the parking lot [the phenomenal world], wandering to and fro seeking whom he might devour.

Suddenly, as a thief in the night, a large bird swooped down from heaven, caught that rodent between its talons, and embraced it into submission.


You Are Not Your Body

RAUN consistently stresses in his two volume set, and in "MAAT - The 11 Laws of God", that the objective of each of the eleven steps is "to transfer the identity away from the person to the indwelling Divinity". A phrase such as "maintain ones physical integrity" runs the great risk of leading you back to the flawed perception that I am the body, rather than that I am the indwelling Divinity which is Ausar.

Yes, we are the vehicle through which God's light shines in the world. No, that vehicle is that the body, which is limited, but rather the Self, which knows no limitation. This physical body of ours is no more that a garment that we wear for a season. Take good care of it, of course, as you would any garment in your closet. But, know that the I is not the body.

Black people. The first of Men. Know this. The only power YT holds over you is his power to threaten your physical body, your emotions, and your mind. Transcend them all, become AUSAR, and YT will cease to have any power to oppress you.


The True Self, Even in White People, is God

This is a quote worth repeating in its entirety, so as not to misunderstand what RAUN is saying:

"Yes! The true Self in the killer is God, obviously as the dead Ausar at the bottom of the sea. Nevertheless, our oneness with him/her cannot be denied. But our sitting in fellowship, and breaking bread together can only take place, after S/he has been caught, punished, and redeemed -- i.e., Ausar within him/her resurrected."When we read this, with comprehension, we see that RAUN has completely transcended the petty segregative limitations of race. He recognizes, not white men, or 3 AM intruders, or killers, but only the true Self within All which is AUSAR.

In the Bhagavad Gita, Lord Krishna [Ausar] gives this advice to Arjuna [man]:

"Death means the attainment of heaven; victory means the enjoyment of the earth. Therefore rise up, Arjuna, resolved to fight!"

We are in a war and we do have a duty to fight. I am sure Jamesfromphilly's friend did not mean to suggest that we should not fight our enemy, but rather that we should be smarter in our choice of weapons.

Do not fail to fight this righteous war. Embrace your enemy with the talons of the Word [Tehuti]. Hold him there, tightly, until he ceases to resist.

:bowdown:

I am sure Jamesfrmphilly's friend did not mean to suggest that we should not fight our enemy, but rather that we should be smarter in our choice of weapons..
"Jamesfrmphilly's friend" is you. i was referring to you and your statements.

a large bird swooped down from heaven, caught that rodent between its talons, and embraced it into submission..
this is a misuse of the word embrace and you know it. however, if that is the way that you want us to "embrace" the white man, i am all for it.

Do not fail to fight this righteous war. Embrace your enemy with the talons of the Word [Tehuti]. Hold him there, tightly, until he ceases to resist.
now ya talking, trudat!


:bowdown:

:bowdown:

maybe, maybe not....just because you play a game does not mean you believe in it.

I don't quite follow. Are you saying we should play by their rules to defeat them and then all of a sudden we will implement something totally different after we have defeated them?

An embrace and the motive behind an embrace are two entirely different things.

And this is not only about literal warfare, this applies to every day decisions made as we go about living life in this country.

Still, I guess I'm not following you. What sick and evil european games are you talking about?

I wouldn't consider critically deciding whom to embrace and when to embrace them deception and trickery, rather it is simply strategic action.

I've already alluded to the fact strategic engagement wasn't originated by the european...in fact, THEY have been late in the party to adopt it.

See the brutality of the civil war and world wars one and two. Contrast that with the cold war and the tactics deployed post vietnam.

As they learn more about ancient wisdom, they adopt it, but the trick is they have us believing they originated that which they pilfered.

So we confidently label their exploits sick and evil when in many cases they are only improvising upon what our ancestors developed.

These tactics are not intuitive, but neither are they sick or evil. I'd say quite the opposite since their ultimate goal is to preserve the whole and prevent destruction.

What is sick and evil is the historical modus operandi of some groups who are now appropriating our tactics.

What the european is doing and have done is sick and evil. I do not know if it is a perversion of things we originated. But what you are proposing sounds to me like trying to beat the euro at his own game.

So what exactly are you talking about in reference to "embracing" the euro? What type of embrace? What is the motive? And once it is achieved, what do you hope to accomplish?

I too have picked up on the fact that we are attempting to address a secular topic within the context of a spiritual philosophy (hopefully that fits better than "doctrine", if not, clue me in on the proper categorical descriptor for the metu neter).
Since we are in the category of the book "Metu Neter" let's go wtih what the author says it is: "a practical syncretism of the best that the Kamitic (Ancient Egyptian), the Dravidian (Black India) and the Canaanite (true authors of Kabala) religions have to offer."
This takes it quite a bit beyond being a "philosophy" which is nothing more than yackety-yack without practical application, and into the realm of what must be done to recreate civilization. But this is where traditional religion fails us, as it has difficulty translating practical life action from spiritual theory.
Oh, I wouldn't say that. From where I sit, I see far more practical stuff in traditional religion than I see theoretical. It may be wrongheaded, misinterpreted, misapplied or all three. Your average Christian can point to any of a number of biblical passages to justify any response to any situation he so chooses. I ain't no religious scholar, but based on what study I've done I find the notion that traditional religions are mere "spiritual theories" with no "what should I do" component to be untenable. "We must step outside of traditional religion to gain clarity on how to deal with so-called white people, and in this regard and on this topic, the metu neter seems no different." I disagree. In the 1800's, a country preacher by the name of Nat Turner used a traditional religion called Christianity to deal wisely with white people. During the religious crusades, the caucasian tribe we call a-rabs used the Quran to deal with another caucasian tribe we call europeans. But from a practical perspective of implementation, either A) the AAS defines its boundaries narrowly enough to exclude itself from having to take action to stop attacks,
or

B) the AAS deals with these matters from a practical implementation exactly the same as other spiritual groups do....i.e...attacks against the group are made (black people), and direct action to prevent the attacks or bring justice to the attackers is not forthcoming and is not within the scope of the spiritual group's activities.
Both of the above are false. In the first place, the AAS doesn't define its boundaries any more narrowly than Kemetkind defines his. Even if they did, no matter how narrowly those boundaries were defined, they can still be breached and there would still be a need to have a means of self defense.

With regard to number 2, that's not even remotely true. On page 100 of Metu Neter, vol 1 it states: "Each of the spheres of the Tree of Life represents one of nine personalities ("Deities") that man must learn to invoke at any given moment to meet the changing demands of life." The personality (i.e., "Deity") that must be invoked with regard to James' inquiry is Herukhuti. On page 281 of volume 1 among the Social Correspondences of Herukhuti are listed: SOLDIERS, FIGHTERS, WARRIORS, POLICEMEN, etc. On page 77 of volume 2 we are informed that: "His method is brute force." All of the above professions --soldiers, fighters, warriors, and policemen - are trained to kick azzz on an azzz needed basis.

I think you're equating being at peace in a challenging situation with doing nothing to ameliorate it. That's a common mistake newbies make when we bring this up in our classes. To be at peace in a tough situation means to not get flustered to the point that you can't intelligently respond to whatever challenge confronts you. An essential part of martial arts training consists of learning to remain peaceful when under attack. It is this peaceful state that frees up physical energy and provides clarity of mind to enable these guys to tear their attackers to pieces.
"At the end of the day, the metu neter is no more or less revolutionary than the bible..."
Neither is the tax code. Besides, being revolutionary is not its job. It is what it says it is; no more, no less.
"both are spiritual texts which would have you ascend to a state of ultimate peace at one with the supreme being." Being in "a state of ultimate peace at one with the supreme being" does not obligate one do nothing while being b|tch slapped up and down the street.
For inspiration about how to deal practically with matters of race....we have to look elsewhere.
We really don't have to, but we can if we so choose. but the apprehending and punishing and raising up is not happening, and probably won't happen until there are enough functional Ausarians to make it happen.
You don't need "enough" functional Ausarians to make it happen. Just enough endarkened Sahu who care enough to DO something about our condition.
So in the meantime just avoid them and hope for the best? While they continue to bombard?

No. Won't work IMO. This would be like an ostrich putting its head in a hole in the middle of a battlefield." Again, don't confuse "being at peace" with "being apathetic to events in your surroundings."

You Are Not Your Body
I never said I was.

RAUN consistently stresses in his two volume set, and in "MAAT - The 11 Laws of God", that the objective of each of the eleven steps is "to transfer the identity away from the person to the indwelling Divinity".
QUESTION:

Can a dead man transfer his identity away from the person to the indwelling Divinity?A phrase such as "maintain ones physical integrity" runs the great risk of leading you back to the flawed perception that I am the body, rather than that I am the indwelling Divinity which is Ausar.
QUESTION: Can the Indwelling Divinity which is Ausar shine through a dead body?
Yes, we are the vehicle through which God's light shines in the world. No, that vehicle is that the body, which is limited, but rather the Self, which knows no limitation.
QUESTION:

If the body is dead because its owner was shot and killed because he tried to lecture a home invader instead of kung-fuing the hell out of him, will God's light shine through it anyway, because his intentions were good?
This physical body of ours is no more that a garment that we wear for a season. Take good care of it, of course, as you would any garment in your closet. But, know that the I is not the body.

Neither is the eye, but that's beside the point.

Black people. The first of Men. Know this. The only power YT holds over you is his power to threaten your physical body, your emotions, and your mind. Transcend them all, become AUSAR, and YT will cease to have any power to oppress you.
And while you're on the way to becoming Ausar, be sure to take some time out from your busy schedule to kick some mass.

The True Self, Even in White People, is God

My apologies to the True Self.

This is a quote worth repeating in its entirety, so as not to misunderstand what RAUN is saying:

"Yes! The true Self in the killer is God, obviously as the dead Ausar at the bottom of the sea. Nevertheless, our oneness with him/her cannot be denied. But our sitting in fellowship, and breaking bread together can only take place, after S/he has been caught, punished, and redeemed -- i.e., Ausar within him/her resurrected."When we read this, with comprehension, we see that RAUN has completely transcended the petty segregative limitations of race. He recognizes, not white men, or 3 AM intruders, or killers, but only the true Self within All which is AUSAR.

But don't forget, he also used the p word: PUNISHED, i.e., got his azzz kicked good.

In the Bhagavad Gita, Lord Krishna [Ausar] gives this advice to Arjuna [man]:

"Death means the attainment of heaven; victory means the enjoyment of the earth. Therefore rise up, Arjuna, resolved to fight!"That's not a physical death Lord Krishna is talking about, it's death as in dying to the things of the world. Big difference, ya know. But even there, notice he tells ol' boy to rise up, resolved to kick some mass.

We are in a war and we do have a duty to fight. I am sure Jamesfromphilly's friend did not mean to suggest that we should not fight our enemy, but rather that we should be smarter in our choice of weapons.

Do not fail to fight this righteous war. Embrace your enemy with the talons of the Word [Tehuti]. Hold him there, tightly, until he ceases to resist.
Me, I prefer a roundhouse kick to the side of the face.

Are you saying we should play by their rules to defeat them and then all of a sudden we will implement something totally different after we have defeated them?
i may play their game but by my own rules. use their game against them where possible. use whatever you can to get the job done.

What the european is doing and have done is sick and evil. I do not know if it is a perversion of things we originated. But what you are proposing sounds to me like trying to beat the euro at his own game.

So what exactly are you talking about in reference to "embracing" the euro? What type of embrace? What is the motive? And once it is achieved, what do you hope to accomplish?

I thought I was pretty clear in what I meant by embrace and what the purpose would be.

I also thought I was pretty clear that strategically dealing with opponents is not the "europeans game".

Why do you think Ahmadinejad was here speaking @ american universities last month?

If you could point out one ethnic or political group that does not do this (i.e. engage their opponents/enemies with something other than direct confrontation), then maybe I could understand your rationale for insisting this is a european concept.

i will not play by their rules. i may play their game but by my own rules. use their game against them where possible. use what ever you can to get the job done.

Ok brother James. Now I see what you're saying. Maybe this is what brother Kemet was saying as well.

I thought I was pretty clear in what I meant by embrace and what the purpose would be.


With all due respect, if you were clear, I wouldn't have asked those questions for clarification. Nevermind. I'm no longer interested in what you meant.

With all due respect, if you were clear, I wouldn't have asked those questions for clarification. Nevermind. I'm no longer interested in what you meant.

:cool: If you say so.

Since we are in the category of the book "Metu Neter" let's go wtih what the author says it is: "a practical syncretism of the best that the Kamitic (Ancient Egyptian), the Dravidian (Black India) and the Canaanite (true authors of Kabala) religions have to offer."
This takes it quite a bit beyond being a "philosophy" which is nothing more than yackety-yack without practical application, and into the realm of what must be done to recreate civilization.

Agreed. I was studying some Ashby just the other day and he makes this distinction clearly...he says these systems should be considered a "science" (i.e. an applied science) as opposed to an philosophical system (which is primarily intellectual).



[B]Oh, I wouldn't say that. From where I sit, I see far more practical stuff in traditional religion than I see theoretical. It may be wrongheaded, misinterpreted, misapplied or all three. Your average Christian can point to any of a number of biblical passages to justify any response to any situation he so chooses. I ain't no religious scholar, but based on what study I've done I find the notion that traditional religions are mere "spiritual theories" with no "what should I do" component to be untenable.

I don't want to get too far off on a tangent, but i'm speaking specifically with regards to race. To deal with race, these spiritual systems have to be interpreted and applied as people see fit.

They don't inherently provide specific guidelines. Metu Neter doesn't appear to be any different in this regard.



[B]I disagree. In the 1800's, a country preacher by the name of Nat Turner used a traditional religion called Christianity to deal wisely with white people. During the religious crusades, the caucasian tribe we call a-rabs used the Quran to deal with another caucasian tribe we call europeans.

Sure. And in the 1900's a group of caucasian evangelicals used the bible to justify terroristic killings of black and brown people in the american south.

Their interpretations were imposed upon the text just as Nat imposed his and radical arabs impose theirs upon the Quran.

Since different groups can take the exact same text and draw out different practical applications of it according to their political aims.....it stands to reason the text itself is ambiguous on these matters...and the thing that matters is how a group is choosing to practically implement the teachings.

Which is why I wonder, at the end of the day, is AAS practically implementing metu neter any differently than southern baptists implement the bible?


Both of the above are false. In the first place, the AAS doesn't define its boundaries any more narrowly than Kemetkind defines his. Even if they did, no matter how narrowly those boundaries were defined, they can still be breached and there would still be a need to have a means of self defense.

Maybe AAS defines its boundaries as I do. But, this was an either / or.

If AAS defines its boundaries as including black people, as I do, then it is in the exact same boat of failing to defend said black people as I'm in, and as black christians or muslims are.

With respect to the exercisement of justice and/or self-defense, the practical application of spiritual science by the AAS does not result in any different outcome than the practical application of spiritual science by pentacostals and presbyterians. Black people are assaulted routinely without a response or a defense to prevent further assaults.



With regard to number 2, that's not even remotely true. On page 100 of Metu Neter, vol 1 it states: "Each of the spheres of the Tree of Life represents one of nine personalities ("Deities") that man must learn to invoke at any given moment to meet the changing demands of life." The personality (i.e., "Deity") that must be invoked with regard to James' inquiry is Herukhuti. On page 281 of volume 1 among the Social Correspondences of Herukhuti are listed: SOLDIERS, FIGHTERS, WARRIORS, POLICEMEN, etc. On page 77 of volume 2 we are informed that: "His method is brute force." All of the above professions --soldiers, fighters, warriors, and policemen - are trained to kick azzz on an azzz needed basis.


Sounds great. I want to believe it.

But again, UNLESS the boundaries of AAS only includes AAS members, then Herukhuti is MIA.

(I'm just assuming if an AAS member is unjustly hemmed up by the po po AAS would respond in some manner).

As you so forcefully mentioned, we (black people) are getting b-slapped up and down the street while Herukhuti is in the text (theory) but nowhere to be found on the street (practical application).


I think you're equating being at peace in a challenging situation with doing nothing to ameliorate it. That's a common mistake newbies make when we bring this up in our classes. To be at peace in a tough situation means to not get flustered to the point that you can't intelligently respond to whatever challenge confronts you. An essential part of martial arts training consists of learning to remain peaceful when under attack. It is this peaceful state that frees up physical energy and provides clarity of mind to enable these guys to tear their attackers to pieces.

You're right. I question the value of ultimate peace in the face of eminent danger while you're getting your A kicked.

I'm glad to hear that is a common newbie response, because my understanding had it seeming too similar to "store up your rewards in heaven" type rhetoric....the only difference being here heaven is internal.



[B]Neither is the tax code. Besides, being revolutionary is not its job. It is what it says it is; no more, no less. Being in "a state of ultimate peace at one with the supreme being" does not obligate one do nothing while being b|tch slapped up and down the street.

Okay. That's promising. But what is the something that we should be doing instead of nothing.

And is that something derived from the spiritual science or is it merely what we find most expedient to implement given our current political situation.

This is where embracing white,red, yellow or any other people for tactical/strategic reasons comes into question....it seems mundane and outside the scope of the spiritual science.


[B]We really don't have to, but we can if we so choose.
You don't need "enough" functional Ausarians to make it happen. Just enough endarkened Sahu who care enough to DO something about our condition.

Overstood.



[B]Again, don't confuse "being at peace" with "being apathetic to events in your surroundings."

An important distinction and I thank you for the clarification.

Help me overstand what a proficiency in the application of Metu Neter enables me to DO to change my surroundings, because I don't see so-called white people as my biggest problem.

Agreed. I was studying some Ashby just the other day and he makes this distinction clearly...he says these systems should be considered a "science" (i.e. an applied science) as opposed to an philosophical system (which is primarily intellectual).




I don't want to get too far off on a tangent, but i'm speaking specifically with regards to race. To deal with race, these spiritual systems have to be interpreted and applied as people see fit.

They don't inherently provide specific guidelines. Metu Neter doesn't appear to be any different in this regard.




Sure. And in the 1900's a group of caucasian evangelicals used the bible to justify terroristic killings of black and brown people in the american south.

Their interpretations were imposed upon the text just as Nat imposed his and radical arabs impose theirs upon the Quran.

Since different groups can take the exact same text and draw out different practical applications of it according to their political aims.....it stands to reason the text itself is ambiguous on these matters...and the thing that matters is how a group is choosing to practically implement the teachings.

Which is why I wonder, at the end of the day, is AAS practically implementing metu neter any differently than southern baptists implement the bible?



Maybe AAS defines its boundaries as I do. But, this was an either / or.

If AAS defines its boundaries as including black people, as I do, then it is in the exact same boat of failing to defend said black people as I'm in, and as black christians or muslims are.

With respect to the exercisement of justice and/or self-defense, the practical application of spiritual science by the AAS does not result in any different outcome than the practical application of spiritual science by pentacostals and presbyterians. Black people are assaulted routinely without a response or a defense to prevent further assaults.




Sounds great. I want to believe it.

But again, UNLESS the boundaries of AAS only includes AAS members, then Herukhuti is MIA.

(I'm just assuming if an AAS member is unjustly hemmed up by the po po AAS would respond in some manner).

As you so forcefully mentioned, we (black people) are getting b-slapped up and down the street while Herukhuti is in the text (theory) but nowhere to be found on the street (practical application).



You're right. I question the value of ultimate peace in the face of eminent danger while you're getting your A kicked.

I'm glad to hear that is a common newbie response, because my understanding had it seeming too similar to "store up your rewards in heaven" type rhetoric....the only difference being here heaven is internal.




Okay. That's promising. But what is the something that we should be doing instead of nothing.

And is that something derived from the spiritual science or is it merely what we find most expedient to implement given our current political situation.

This is where embracing white,red, yellow or any other people for tactical/strategic reasons comes into question....it seems mundane and outside the scope of the spiritual science.



Overstood.




An important distinction and I thank you for the clarification.

Help me overstand what a proficiency in the application of Metu Neter enables me to DO to change my surroundings, because I don't see so-called white people as my biggest problem.


:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

Hotep

Before we can do any thing that matters at all, "We must embrace the self". And in order to embrace your-self...you must "Know thy Self". Anything else is a continued waste of time as we have fallen into a un-natural (negro-slave-mentality) self and ignorantly, foolishly don't know who self is today.
To know self is to love self...to know self allows you to know others as well. The more you know your self...the more you automaticly know others.
Weakness and un-development of the "Spirit-Soul" is the "Root" cause for the condition of abject hate, dis-trust and self-distruction of the ignorant and foolish un-natural self as we (Afrikans in Amerikkka) have become.

Every thing with out exception in the "Universe" has its place and everything with out exception that gets out of place is "Distroyed" by its "Own-Self-Distruction". When the "Minds" of Men and Women become so un-natural as in the state of "Negrodom"...it must be distroyed as we can see the evidence of this self distruction take-ing place today right in front of our eyes.
We look up in the heavens and claim that we are born under this or that planet or star...I am a vergo, Capricorn, Leo etc...we say, but if this is true, then how much more do you think the influence of the "Earth" is on our lives? The "Earth" has more of an effect on us than any other planet or star except the "Sun" (RA) it self...Think!!

The Earth is as alive or even more so than you think you are. The Earths "Energies" that effect every thing we do in "Life or (decomposition of the body) Death". If any one comes to think in a un-natural state...then the Earth sees that person as a enemy or somthing that must be distroyed...so that un-natural thinker with out thinking is forced by the Earths Energies to "Self-Distruct"!!! Ask yourself...Why are those people we know or don't know...soo driven and determined to "Enjoy with glee the Self-Distruction they are in?? All self distruction is self-inflicted!!

Hate is invisible! Love is invisible! Thoughts are invisible! And so are those who allow them self for what ever the reasons will become use-less and with out purpose in the "Natural-Order-of-Things"...hence..."Self-Distruction" along with being in the wrong place at the wrong time as it is ordained by "Nature".
We are to "Embrace" the "Natural-Order" of things and that is "Spirituality".

There are many forms of self-distruction...such as bad food, bad clothing, and bad shelter, bad music, drug abuse and all other abuses that have become the anti-culture of "Death" for the lost Afrikans in Amerikkka !!

Anything else is un-natural and "Man-Made" hence...War, Hate, Dis-Trust, Deception, Lies, Anger, Dis-Loyalty, Dis-Harmony and "Race-ism" that only, only, only leads to Death with out knowing who self is...hence life that is wasted no matter how devoted to any man made (Self-Distruction) "Religions"...Un-Natural is what it is...Nothing but Foolishness to be distroyed in time as the Earth rids it self of any Un-Natural-States of Being-s. Embrace Your Black Self First!!!

African proverb: "Man (Woman) Know Your Self".

Ase`

To know self is to love self...to know self allows you to know others as well. The more you know your self...the more you automaticly know others.

Ase~O :bowdonw::bowdown::bowdown:

Embrace Your Black Self First!!!

"First things First"

For M.E., until this step is COMPLETE....then all else for M.E. is irrevalant. Currently, my hands are otherwise occupied with this....Embracing ME/WE. While it may be that at some point there is some usefulness in embracing others..its just that...."at some other point" in time. Right now..my focus and energies is on RE~connecting "Thee" to M.E. in support of the Afreekan WE.
Thank you for BE~ing here with US Moorfius:hearts2:

Hotep

Before we can do any thing that matters at all, "We must embrace the self". And in order to embrace your-self...you must "Know thy Self". Anything else is a continued waste of time as we have fallen into a un-natural (negro-slave-mentality) self and ignorantly, foolishly don't know who self is today.
To know self is to love self...to know self allows you to know others as well. The more you know your self...the more you automaticly know others.
Weakness and un-development of the "Spirit-Soul" is the "Root" cause for the condition of abject hate, dis-trust and self-distruction of the ignorant and foolish un-natural self as we (Afrikans in Amerikkka) have become.

Every thing with out exception in the "Universe" has its place and everything with out exception that gets out of place is "Distroyed" by its "Own-Self-Distruction". When the "Minds" of Men and Women become so un-natural as in the state of "Negrodom"...it must be distroyed as we can see the evidence of this self distruction take-ing place today right in front of our eyes.
We look up in the heavens and claim that we are born under this or that planet or star...I am a vergo, Capricorn, Leo etc...we say, but if this is true, then how much more do you think the influence of the "Earth" is on our lives? The "Earth" has more of an effect on us than any other planet or star except the "Sun" (RA) it self...Think!!

The Earth is as alive or even more so than you think you are. The Earths "Energies" that effect every thing we do in "Life or (decomposition of the body) Death". If any one comes to think in a un-natural state...then the Earth sees that person as a enemy or somthing that must be distroyed...so that un-natural thinker with out thinking is forced by the Earths Energies to "Self-Distruct"!!! Ask yourself...Why are those people we know or don't know...soo driven and determined to "Enjoy with glee the Self-Distruction they are in?? All self distruction is self-inflicted!!

Hate is invisible! Love is invisible! Thoughts are invisible! And so are those who allow them self for what ever the reasons will become use-less and with out purpose in the "Natural-Order-of-Things"...hence..."Self-Distruction" along with being in the wrong place at the wrong time as it is ordained by "Nature".
We are to "Embrace" the "Natural-Order" of things and that is "Spirituality".

There are many forms of self-distruction...such as bad food, bad clothing, and bad shelter, bad music, drug abuse and all other abuses that have become the anti-culture of "Death" for the lost Afrikans in Amerikkka !!

Anything else is un-natural and "Man-Made" hence...War, Hate, Dis-Trust, Deception, Lies, Anger, Dis-Loyalty, Dis-Harmony and "Race-ism" that only, only, only leads to Death with out knowing who self is...hence life that is wasted no matter how devoted to any man made (Self-Distruction) "Religions"...Un-Natural is what it is...Nothing but Foolishness to be distroyed in time as the Earth rids it self of any Un-Natural-States of Being-s. Embrace Your Black Self First!!!

African proverb: "Man (Woman) Know Your Self".

Ase`


Hotep Bro Moorfius. These are words of wisdom.

Good to read you again!

I am in alignment (Aggreeance) with what is stated on Pg 7, 3rd Par, of the T.O.L.M: " Although reading this book can do a great deal to improve your life , even if you were to read it several times, you can achieve no more than 10% of what it can do for you. (skipping) Because of the interdependence between the concepts dealt with in the book (The awareness a diviner should have: "emphasis mines") many concepts will not be understood until the entire book is read. Finally, a true and indepth understanding of the principles taught will not be achieved, until the principles are put into practice" *Nike*

Utchau Metut (Pg 217 & 218 of Metu Neter)
(arriving at a conclusion) Example: Do I embrace White people?

The question itself is brimming with its own answer = Exclusively/especially for the querant.

The Utchau Metut or "Weighing of the Words" deals with the evaluation of concepts, ideas, beliefs, behavioral shaping factors, and spiritual practices. Someone who is versed in citing scripture is following this process through a *8th and 9th* sphere approach. What separates the foregoing process from what is given in the Metu Neter are the implications of the complementary /opposing arrangment of the Paut Neteru and what/who man/woman are in regards to it. The practical application/process is ACTUALLY the "Coming Forth". If someone fundamentally believes an entity, greater than themselves, "is Coming" yet incline towards a method/religion that marginally addresses the inherent faculties that will allow them to "Come Forth," as that entity that is "Greater than Themselves," then what/who the hell are they truly waiting for ...cause it aint comin....and if it did, via traditional bias, they have estranged themselves from it.

Pg 217: The arrival at a conclusion or judgement without going through a thinking process, that is, through direct perception of the reality itself instead of manipulating the symbols representing the reality is called wisdom.
(2nd sphere)

The arrival of a conclusion or judgement through the manipulation of symbols embodying abstract analogies (ie synthesis) (4th sphere)

The arrival at a conclusion or judgement through induction , deduction and inference is called syllogistic logic (8th sphere)

Depending on what modality of spirit (Breath) I am in will determine the utility of even posing the question itself.

Help me overstand what a proficiency in the application of Metu Neter enables me to DO to change my surroundings
if you really want the answer to this question, gain the proficiency and find out for yourself.

:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

who let coger into this thread?

who let coger into this thread?


I thought it was a open Forum! My Bag or Bad or whathaveyou!

QUESTION:

Can a dead man transfer his identity away from the person to the indwelling Divinity?
I like the way that Jesus refers to dead people in the bible as being asleep [St. John chapter 11]. When you are asleep, and having a dream -- let us say you are dreaming that you are a bird --- did you transfer your identity when you died ? No. Asleep or awake, your identity never changed. The only thing that changed was sphere 10's [the body] and sphere 9's [the intellect] perception of who you are.

The Metu Neter [Volume I, page 83] correctly notes that we are born into this world with only sphere 10 and sphere 9 [learning faculties, intellect, mind] being awake. Where are the other nine spheres? Strictly speaking, our nature is already, always, sphere 1 [Ausar]. There is just this one big problem. We do not know this because we do not know self. The purpose of the Metu Neter is to lead us back to the knowledge of who we are -- to wake us up so that we realize that I AM God.

Christiains start thinking you are some kind of anti-Christ when they hear you talk like this. But, the Truth is that the bible records Jesus making the exact same point. The brother even backed up what he was saying by quoting scripture:

[B]St. John 10:34
"Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?"

QUESTION: Can the Indwelling Divinity which is Ausar shine through a dead body?

[b]QUESTION:

If the body is dead because its owner was shot and killed because he tried to lecture a home invader instead of kung-fuing the hell out of him, will God's light shine through it [I]anyway, because his intentions were good?
The Metu Neter correctly teaches that God --- let's call It Atum-Ra for now ---- is unlimited. What would be the point of being omnipotent, omniscient, and omnipresent if your powers had to be contained, limited, by a frail, temporary, mortal body of flesh?

If someone broke into my apartment right now, and shot me dead in my chair, my identity would not cease to exist. My body would "die", maybe. The coroner would perhaps pronounce me brain "dead". But, my identity woud remain. There would be no need for my identity to be transfered anywhere because it was never limited within the confines of my 5'8" frame anyway. It IS the indwelling Divinity. This is what Jesus meant when he said "I and my Father are one". This is what he meant when he said "the Kingdom of God is within you".

And while you're on the way to becoming Ausar, be sure to take some time out from your busy schedule to kick some mass.
"The Ausar Man's ability to unify the world cannot manifest itself in a spirit whose equilibirium can be disturbed (made unhappy) by the extremes of evil to which some men can go. Similarly, wisdom cannot manifest itself in a spirit whose equilibrium can be disturbed." - Metu Neter - Volume II - p. 120.

How To Embrace Your Enemy

You Are Not Your Body

RAUN consistently stresses in his two volume set, and in "MAAT - The 11 Laws of God", that the objective of each of the eleven steps is "to transfer the identity away from the person to the indwelling Divinity". A phrase such as "maintain ones physical integrity" runs the great risk of leading you back to the flawed perception that I am the body, rather than that I am the indwelling Divinity which is Ausar.

Greetings, I am Khem kefaAb MenNefer...pleased to meet your person. (And LOVE Self):sand:

Question: Taking this clumsy language into consideration in the context of WHAT IS that WE ARE, in what way does the "Bolded" phrase lead (Apuat/Anpu) in and of itself? Yes...I agree..it is a truism but its function is contingent upon the the way in which the individual has contextualized it. The error, (If you would allow my person) was the assumption that the individual stating it was not aware of the interdependency of his statement in regards to the Paut Neteru.

Maintaining ones physical integrity could have meant an adherence to the issues surrounding Geb in relation to Ausar/Amen.

Pg 90 (Metu Neter): The 5th Sphere (Herukhuti) is the faculty through which man is able to intuitively understand and apply the correct application of the principles of justice. [I] It is essentially based on the individuals capacity to separate his self from his person, thus making it possible to invoke upon his person the punishments, constraints and regulations that He would place on others.

The Geb Stage (The cultivation and adherence of the cycles of Ra)
is a wholistically important stage and if someone is trying to adulturate it, for Mike knows what, they have become the personification of the Sebau that seeks to corrupt (sabotage my Groove) and they will get whatever I have at the moment :bam: (If i have previously studied Kungfu or other tactical methods to carry out, while having a cool head as well, then that would be a plus for having prepared for ones ignorance in such a situation)

Don't let me have the strap :tongue:

I thought it was a open Forum! My Bag or Bad or whathaveyou!



U R 100% correct. Everyone who can benefit from this dialog should be and feel invited.

We all are 1.

So a more be-fitting title should read

Do we embrace Ourselves

Let's deal in real

Peace be with us

Greetings, I am Khem kefaAb MenNefer...pleased to meet your person. (And LOVE Self):sand:
And, I you.

Question: Taking this clumsy language into consideration in the context of WHAT IS that WE ARE, in what way does the "Bolded" phrase lead (Apuat/Anpu) in and of itself? Yes...I agree..it is a truism but its function is contingent upon the the way in which the individual has contextualized it. The error, (If you would allow my person) was the assumption that the individual stating it was not aware of the interdependency of his statement in regards to the Paut Neteru.
I agree that it is impossible to fully communicate esoteric concepts via the English language.

Isn't it wonderful how we are being led in this discussion, from spheres 10 and 9 to 8? Before, I spoke of Geb [10] and Auset [9]. And, now, as if on que, you lead the discussion to Apuat and Anpu, which is as perfect a seque as I could have hoped for to flow up to the next sphere.

Sphere 8 --- Sebek --- the verbal e