"the Ausarian approach to resolving family conflicts --- Embrace the God within your enemy until your enemy becomes your friend"

i'm butting heads with somebody over at afrochat who claims to be at the level of ausar and who tells me that we should embrace white people.
she says that is what the metu neter says to do.

i have a problem with that.

is there no room for warriors in khemetic society?

Embracing the enemy??? Haven't we done that enough? Embraced others for over 4,000 years now. :danger:

"the Ausarian approach to resolving family conflicts --- Embrace the God within your enemy until your enemy becomes your friend"

i'm butting heads with somebody over at afrochat who claims to be at the level of ausar and who tells me that we should embrace white people.
she says that is what the metu neter says to do.

i have a problem with that.

is there no room for warriors in khemetic society?

SMDH. We have been trying to embrace these people and where has it gotten us? You cannot embrace an ENEMY and expect to be victorious! And I don't consider whitey a family member either. Btw, I know nothing about the Metu Neter, just sharing my two cents.

Embracing the enemy??? Haven't we done that enough? Embraced others for over 4,000 years now. :danger:
she states that is what the metu neter tells us...

SMDH. We have been trying to embrace these people and where has it gotten us? You cannot embrace an ENEMY and expect to be victorious! And I don't consider whitey a family member either. Btw, I know nothing about the Metu Neter, just sharing my two cents.

no disrespect intended to anyone... I'm new, and I was reading this thread..... Just an observation.... we hate when people refer to us as "you people"... I just want to know why it is ok for us to act in this way also... IMO in order to rise above something u gotta be better then it...

hate to me, is it's own worse enemy .... ????

Warriors
There are all kinds of warriors. Some choose the weapons of the material world:

The gun. An example would be Paul Kagame leading the RPF to overthrow the genocidal, French-puppet, government of Rwanda.
The spear. An example would be the 3000 Zulus who, fearing not the guns of the Boers, gave their lives defending their homes from the foreign invaders. Only 3 Boers died in that battle. And, in the typical fashion of the spiritually immature, those Boers bowed their heads and praised their white god for leading them to victory. But, the One who is Unknown --- Amen -- had the last laugh when, a century and a half later, the Afrikaneer descendants of those Boers had to accept a native son of Africa, Mandela, as their President.
Some choose weapons not made by human hands:

The Fire That No Water Can Put Out. An example would be Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. who, fearing not the guns, clubs, and hoses of the racist state, stood up as a man and refused to be told where he could live, where he could eat, where he could sit, or where he could vote.
Satya Graha. The obvious example would be Gandhi, who, fearing not the guns of the British, refused to be told he could not govern his own country.
We people of color have been blessed with both types of warriors. The Master raises up some of us to prefer the sword, and some to prefer the Word. I, he raised up to prefer the Word.

For most of us, not only do we prefer one approach, but we hold contempt for the other. Perhaps, the Dravidian rooted systems are correct in their assessment that we can not help but be who our accumulated samskaras prepare us to be.

We must all be careful not to attempt to ram our personal belief system down the throats of those who have differing convictions. As long as a child of the woman clothed in the sun is genuinely struggling to fight the Beast, using whatever weapon the One has placed in his or her hand, we should either fight alongside him or her or, if that is not within us, at the very least, we should get out of his or her way.

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Embracing Your Enemy

The Metu Neter is a study in Oneness - as are the Upanishads, the Bhagavad Gita, and the red words in the christian bible. Few their be among us who discern this, which is understandable. Even those of us who are not white were, nevertheless, born and raised in the belly of the beast. All our lives, we have been bombarded with a myriad of cultural influences all designed to convince us of of the flawed world view of the sons of Gog, Magog, Gomer, and Askenaz which the Metu Neter accurately describes as a left brain dominant compulsion to _separate_ instead of _unify_.

Carried to its logical conclusion, which few are able to grasp, is that the omnipresence which is synonymous with Ausar must include, not just black people, but _all_ the manifestations of Ra --- even those which happen to be insufferably annoying caucasians.

Metu Neter - Volume II - page 111 (speaking of Sphere 1 - Ausar)
As omnipresence is an attribute of this indwelling intelligence, its resurrection, i.e., the extension of its function from the subconscious to the conscious sphere of Man's life, or the doing of that Glory on earth that is done in heaven, if you prefer, is the only way to bring about the unity that is the prerequisite for peace on earth and prosperity for all. Viewed from another perspective, omnipresence means that there can only be one Being dwelling in and as all creatures. This is the basis of unity in the world. Most important, we must understand that this is the real meaning of monothesism, which does not denote one God, but the Unitarian reality that is the life of all creatures, and the source of all the metaphysical intelligences through which the activities of the world are administered. Understand this and you will know that in killing others, you are destroying a vessel through which God expresses Itself. This sphere corresponds to the Ba part of the spirit.

For most of us, not only do we prefer one approach, but we hold contempt for the other.
for me, the key is to respect each others position even when disagreeing with it. the art of disagreeing without being disagreeable.

the true teacher does not have contempt for the student.

indeed, my teachers have shown me love and support even when i was not as far along the path as they were.
i say we meet people where they are. each one teach one.

peace

Metu Neter - Volume II - page 111 (speaking of Sphere 1 - Ausar)
As omnipresence is an attribute of this indwelling intelligence, its resurrection, i.e., the extension of its function from the subconscious to the conscious sphere of Man's life, or the doing of that Glory on earth that is done in heaven, if you prefer, is the only way to bring about the unity that is the prerequisite for peace on earth and prosperity for all. Viewed from another perspective, omnipresence means that there can only be one Being dwelling in and as all creatures. This is the basis of unity in the world. Most important, we must understand that this is the real meaning of monotheism, which does not denote one God, but the Unitarian reality that is the life of all creatures, and the source of all the metaphysical intelligences through which the activities of the world are administered. Understand this and you will know that in killing others, you are destroying a vessel through which God expresses Itself. This sphere corresponds to the Ba part of the spirit.
if a man breaks into your house at 3 in the morning do you embrace him or shoot him?

if a man breaks into your house at 3 in the morning do you embrace him or shoot him?
That is a great question for black people to seriously consider because that man breaking into our house is probably going to be a young black male --- literally the future of our race.

The easy answer is that there is no right or wrong action in such a situation. Even Gandhi and King did not condemn violence in the name of self-defense. They didn't go so far as to recommend it. But, they also did not condemn it.

Each of us will end up taking a course of action based on the samskaras we have accumulated over our perceived past incarnations.

For me, personally, there is nothing to think about. I live alone, I have no fear of death, and there is no way I am going to kill another black person, especially a young black male, over material posessions. Besides, based on what I have seen my friends and relatives do with the guns they buy for "self-defense", I do not, nor ever would, own a gun.

So, what would I do? I would look the young brother in the eye, let him know I was not going to lift a finger to prevent him from taking anything he wants, thank Ra for blessing me with a captive audience, and then lecture that young brother, for as long as he is in my house, on the real reason black people kill and rob other black people.

for me, the key is to respect each others position even when disagreeing with it. the art of disagreeing without being disagreeable.

the true teacher does not have contempt for the student.

indeed, my teachers have shown me love and support even when i was not as far along the path as they were.
i say we meet people where they are. each one teach one.

peace

Yes, everything you are saying is true. Some teachers are more compassionate than others. It sounds like this person you were interfacing with is one of those Mr. Miyagi "wax on, wax off" kind of people.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/a/a9/Karate_kid.jpg/200px-Karate_kid.jpg

if a man breaks into your house at 3 in the morning do you embrace him or shoot him?
That is a great question for black people to seriously consider because that man breaking into our house is probably going to be a young black male --- literally the future of our race.

The easy answer is that there is no right or wrong action in such a situation. Even Gandhi and King did not condemn violence in the name of self-defense. They didn't go so far as to recommend it. But, they also did not condemn it.

Each of us will end up taking a course of action based on the samskaras we have accumulated over our perceived past incarnations.

For me, personally, there is nothing to think about. I live alone, I have no fear of death, and there is no way I am going to kill another black person, especially a young black male, over material posessions. Besides, based on what I have seen my friends and relatives do with the guns they buy for "self-defense", I do not, nor ever would, own a gun.

So, what would I do? I would look the young brother in the eye, let him know I was not going to lift a finger to prevent him from taking anything he wants, thank Ra for blessing me with a captive audience, and then lecture that young brother, for as long as he is in my house, on the real reason black people kill and rob other black people.
if a white man breaks into your house at 3 in the morning do you embrace him or shoot him?

.... we hate when people refer to us as "you people"... I just want to know why it is ok for us to act in this way also...

we have not committed a crime against white people. they have committed a crime against us. there is a difference between the victim and the perpetrator.

your logic makes them equal.

no disrespect intended to anyone... I'm new, and I was reading this thread..... Just an observation.... we hate when people refer to us as "you people"... I just want to know why it is ok for us to act in this way also... IMO in order to rise above something u gotta be better then it...

hate to me, is it's own worse enemy .... ????

Let me state plainly I don't give a flip what the beasts think of us. And I will refer to whitey how I choose. I am for MY people and MY people only. Rainbow, we are the world people will not like what I have to say, period.

Brother James:

From "Maat the 11 Laws of God", Ra Un Nefer Amen:

To love your enemy then, is an act of conquest, not submissive resignation. But of course you have to be genuinely at peace in the situation - hey this guy is trying to kill you. (...) It is criminally irresponsible to tell the spiritually, and intellectually, and morally immature person to love his enemies. (...) The problem is not how one goes about loving ones enemies. (...) The spiritual goal of Maat is to become a -loving person- (...). It must be understood that love towards these people is not expressed by turning the other cheeck or giving them the shirt off your back, or sitting with them to break break. In some occasions, such would be the right thing to do, not in others. If you come home and find a man raping your daughter, you offer him your wife? If it became necessary to kill him, the law of love and oneness would not be violated

One.

~Ikoro

If you come home and find a man raping your daughter, you offer him your wife? If it became necessary to kill him, the law of love and oneness would not be violated

One.

~Ikoro
and if you come home and find a white man brainwashing and enslaving your people?

are there no warriors in khemet? is there no one who will pick up the sword and fight? are men to be emasculated?
what is the practical application of this law in a world that is full of beasts and parasites?

It is criminally irresponsible to tell the spiritually, and intellectually, and morally immature person to love his enemies.
if this is true why would anyone broadcast this concept on the internet? there are many immature persons here.

are there no warriors in khemet? is there anyone who will pick up the sword and fight? are men to be emasculated?
what is the practical application of this law in a world that is full of beasts and parasites?

Very few warriors.:em4600:

Let us look at a few examples of Africans embracing others and where it got us.

Embraced Greeks to use as mercenaries against the Persians [result Kmt conquered 332 BC. The Greeks become rulers of Kmt as Ptolemies]

Embraced the Arabs to help fight Romans [result invaded conquered 7th
century AD the introduction of Islam and slavery---> Can someone say "Sudan and Mauritania" ]

Numidians embraced Romans to help Romans fight General Hannibal (Punic Wars) [result once the Romans defeated Hannibal the Numidians were conquered and made servant to the Romans]

(Note it was an African by the name of Cornelius Scipo who sold his services to the Romans and helped the Romans defeat Ancestor General Hannibal) :em4600:

Khoisan embraced the Dutch [result South Africa stands and the Dutch, Boers, British, Jews etc own 87% of the land]

West Africans embraced the Portuguese and Spaniards as trading partners [result a long trip on the bottom of a boat for 90 days and 90 nights]

The sad thing with 4,500 years of history teaching the African some lessons Lessons we should have learned: stop being so naive. Stop the silly notion of "loving the world". Stop talking about loving everyone because the world is ran by "power" not "love". Stop believing other people on face value. Observe their actions and words. Stop letting others into your house. It looks as if we have not learned a lesson from 4,500 years of ourstory because now wer are letting the new exploiters in--> Japanese, chinese, koreans, etc.

If anyone can list an example where the African benefited collectively by loving, embracing others please list it. Benefited collectively not individually. Other groups benefit collectively because of our silliness.

Tranquility

"the Ausarian approach to resolving family conflicts --- Embrace the God within your enemy until your enemy becomes your friend"

i'm butting heads with somebody over at afrochat who claims to be at the level of ausar and who tells me that we should embrace white people.
she says that is what the metu neter says to do.

i have a problem with that.

is there no room for warriors in khemetic society?

The Metu Neter does not say embrace White People no more than it says embrace your "Person."

The Metu Neter explains that Maat is all about cultivating yourself to be a loving person. If one does not understand Love and Justice they will have an issue with it one way or another.

If you are fighting out of fear, revenge, or any other manifestation of ill-balance but cannot impose the same fire on your person, when appropriate, then one does not need to be classified a warrior ...maybe a juggernaut but not a true warrior.

Then again ...like love,freedom,justice ect...people have different definitions of being a warrior. Hetepu

This is what I have gleaned from reading all of the text and doing the knowledge.

Where do you draw the line of who you should embrace? And what criteria do you use to draw this line. I'm sure these same lines drawn between different races by ppl are drawn within those races. Crips and Bloods for example.

james,

what did this person mean by 'embrace'? What did they mean by saying that they are at the level of Ausar?

I think it is obvious that we do not embrace white people like that. Yes we recognize they exist, are part of humanity or whatever, but if somebody breaks into your house at 3 am you don't invite them to breakfast.

At lot of people quote books that they don't thoroughly read or spiritual teachers that they dont' really study with.

"the Ausarian approach to resolving family conflicts --- Embrace the God within your enemy until your enemy becomes your friend"

i'm butting heads with somebody over at afrochat who claims to be at the level of ausar and who tells me that we should embrace white people.
she says that is what the metu neter says to do.

i have a problem with that.

is there no room for warriors in khemetic society?


Hotep JamesfrmPhilly
and Thank you for the topic!

Here are my experiences, strengths and plans RE~lated to this topic:

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In addition, I'd add ummmm...

I have to go and listen again (i completed video over an hour ago) yet, i know there was something i wanted to add or clarify:SuN011: :qqb018:
chalk it up to MY age...getting at that stage where major brain farts happen LOL
or...maybe i'll just wait and see if you have any questions bout what i said.

I DID INTEND TO KEEP IT NO LONGER THAN 5 mins....YET....:hearthis: being the FEMALE/WOMAN that I AM....well..you know


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Europeans embrace us. Some do it out of sincere compassion and some out of strategic ambition.

Discerning who is who involves a dance some of us choose to learn, but either way, it's much simpler to implant a knife in the back after an embrace.

With respect to the metu neter, I am an admitted novice of the doctrine.

From what I can determine the teachings make no distinction between races other than to instruct on the general inclinations of left vs right brain thinking in various cultures.

When I read the metu neter I see nothing in it implying a european has any more or less ability to seek Ausar than an African.

Music Producer's assertions that the teachings in the medu neter are akin to the teachings of christianity make sense to me in this regard.

At the end of the day there seems to be little difference in the practical application of the teachings.

Actually, White people can purportedly strive to be whatever they want to.

There is nothing stopping a white man from reading the Metu Neter and proclaiming he is or on the path to being Ausar.

Alexander The Grape arrogated for himself the right to be Ptah in Human Form.

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The fundamental ordering of things is veiled within Natures fractals/patterns

http://www.skylarkbooks.co.uk/Shop/media/RosicrucianOrder.JPG

Actually ...white people don't have to read the Metu Neter...They been decyphering...pillaging and plundering...stockpiling from jumpstreet...They Framed the foundation of this "America construct" off of Truisms and African axioms, organized into policies and procedures, to suit their comforts.
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We don't have to do nothin but "BE who WE BE"...."WE BE who WE BE" and the white man may not WANT to embrace you. :?:

{Revolutions ending}
Smith/Oracle: What? What did I just say? No... No, this isn't right, this can't be right. Get away from me!
Neo: What are you afraid of?
Smith/Oracle: It's a trick!
Neo: You were right, Smith. You were always right. It was inevitable.
{Smith/Oracle imprints over Neo}
Smith/Oracle: Is it over?

MenNefer: Is It?

IN moments such as the one you are introducing. The only way i can come to a conclusion is to consider an example i see in nature to teach me what to do. In this example the problem is conflicting examples that are placed in the theorized discussed and when it sounds good laws by the "humanistic" termed being in our limited growth process computers. Nature in my opinion is in direct communication with the source. Insects nor animals embrace an identified enemy when placed in a hostile situation. Melanated individuals are in a hostile situation on this planet. However there are certain schools of thought that teach altimate hotep or peace in all situations to over come all. I have yet to see that example exercised in nature in reality. not theorized products of men reality. And if we are practicing that model of embracing let's take a look into product of the equation i think the sum speaks for itself.

IN moments such as the one you are introducing. The only way i can come to a conclusion is to consider an example i see in nature to teach me what to do. In this example the problem is conflicting examples that are placed in the theorized discussed and when it sounds good laws by the "humanistic" termed being in our limited growth process computers. Nature in my opinion is in direct communication with the source. Insects nor animals embrace an identified enemy when placed in a hostile situation. Melanated individuals are in a hostile situation on this planet. However there are certain schools of thought that teach altimate hotep or peace in all situations to over come all. I have yet to see that example exercised in nature in reality. not theorized products of men reality. And if we are practicing that model of embracing let's take a look into product of the equation i think the sum speaks for itself.

Shekhem Ur Shekhem Ra Un Nefer Amen (In my degree of understanding) teaches that "Hetep" (Unshakeable inner peace) is the fulcrum of what we/reality is/are. When one acknowledges (or believes) that something/person is intrinsically against them, they are also acknowledging an inherent separation as reality. Tehuti (7 axioms) states that All truths are but half truths and that opposites fundamentally complement. What is also stated is that "All is Mind." The issue is white people have always had the luxury of "Defining" the terms upon how they should be embraced. We confuse those terms (and what is implied by "Embrace") with the historical implications/ramifications of black people when we embraced whites on those terms. If one believes they ARE the person and that they come from animals (although this can be *construed* as a universal truth) then they will build their logic from that premise and in-turn act and behave in the manner it suggest.

My understanding (again) stems from what I have soaked up via the Metu Neter and "Actually" the Paut Neteru as it corresponds to my experience of Nature/Neter/I.

It's a crude analogy, but thats like asking someone who keeps a dirty house and lives downtown ...should they embrace roaches.

Nucca... if you keep marinating in the atmosphere that roaches dig then it aint really your choice.:qqb007:

Historically, The winds of change was blowing like a mofo before whites even showed up. (True Neteru experience the highest heights and the lowest depths as well as the processes of oscillating from one to the other.) * It is our nature

Shekhem Ur Shekhem Ra Un Nefer Amen (In my degree of understanding) teaches that "Hetep" (Unshakeable inner peace) is the fulcrum of what we/reality is/are. When one acknowledges (or believes) that something/person is intrinsically against them, they are also acknowledging an inherent separation as reality. Tehuti (7 axioms) states that All truths are but half truths and that opposites fundamentally complement. What is also stated is that "All is Mind." The issue is white people have always had the luxury of "Defining" the terms upon how they should be embraced. We confuse those terms (and what is implied by "Embrace") with the historical implications/ramifications of black people when we embraced whites on those terms. If one believes they ARE the person and that they come from animals (although this can be *construed* as a universal truth) then they will build their logic from that premise and in-turn act and behave in the manner it suggest.

My understanding (again) stems from what I have soaked up via the Metu Neter and "Actually" the Paut Neteru as it corresponds to my experience of Nature/Neter/I.

It's a crude analogy, but thats like asking someone who keeps a dirty house and lives downtown ...should they embrace roaches.

Nucca... if you keep marinating in the atmosphere that roaches dig then it aint really your choice.:qqb007:

Historically, The winds of change was blowing like a mofo before whites even showed up. (True Neteru experience the highest heights and the lowest depths as well as the processes of oscillating from one to the other.) * It is our nature




I have studied mister amen as well. Although I
Must admit I have only read both volumes twice.
However I understand the quotes regarding
Seeing seperation as a reality when the truth is a greater whole. There is an interesting story located in the gilgamesh epics regarding the acceptance and mentoring
Of dracoian being named hayal because of limited capabilities by his race
To accept differences. It did not work anu and his consorts could not teach the draconians to think as a whole. The rest is his story. I agree with the latter part of your post . Marcus garvey stated that the american melanated slave so called negro is the only freed once inslaved group of indivuduals whom choose to stay with their inslavers. Question were can we go on this elemental being without involvement of melanin recessive individuals. Sorry if my submission looks crazy . I did it from my hand held .I have not fiqured it out it.
Hotep menefer thanx for the feedback .

"the Ausarian approach to resolving family conflicts --- Embrace the God within your enemy until your enemy becomes your friend"

i'm butting heads with somebody over at afrochat who claims to be at the level of ausar and who tells me that we should embrace white people.
she says that is what the metu neter says to do.

i have a problem with that.

There ain't NOBODY at the level of Ausar who's gonna be in an internet chat room announcing to the world that they've ascended to the Ausar level while simultaneously debating anything. Trust me on that. For your reference, do you remember last year when ol' boy made the laughable claim of having attained sphere 0 while concocting & spreading malicious lies about R.U.N.A. and the Ausar Auset Society? Here we go again, this time with somebody claiming to have ascended to the 1st sphere talking that crazy talk.

You can tell where people are spiritually by how they behave.

If you look at the pictorial representation of Ausar, you'll notice that he holds the crook in one hand and the flail in the other. The crook is for gently guiding the individual who has gone astray back to the right path. The flail, on the other hand, is an instrument of war, because "even" Ausar understands that sometimes you can't reason with a muthafrigga; every now and then you just gotta kick some mass.

is there no room for warriors in khemetic society?

Mos' def. See above.

thanks, i feel a lot better now....

Do we embrace white people?

If your finger is gangrened or frostbitten or cancerous you wouldn't say well it's a part of my body. I must love the cancer. I must embrace the gangrene until it becomes healthy.

No matter what logic you use you will not be able to help your friend understand this as long as they believe the metu neter teaches otherwise. That right there shows a lack of understanding what the metu neter really is. The metu neter is not a book written by Ra Un Nefer Amen. The metu neter (word of God) is the indwelling intelligence with which we were all created. If we find something that helps us in a book, wonderful, But if I'm going to cannonize every word in a book and refer to it above and beyond my own mind then I might as well go on back to church and join the choir.

You don't become enlightened by psyching yourself out. If a man breaks into your home at 3 in the a.m. you will not produce positive energy by offering him a seat and trying to make him your friend.

My ancestors won't allow me to embrace negative thoughts and feelings. That is true enlightenment: responding to the realities of life without getting bent out of shape. Not letting someone's ugliness ruin your day. Think about it, brotha. If this person has achieved such a high level of enlightenment why are the two of you butting heads? When a person has a cow trying to convince you they found peace, sumptin's wrong. Knowamsane?

This has been a public service message brought to you by Da River

There ain't NOBODY at the level of Ausar who's gonna be in an internet chat room announcing to the world that they've ascended to the Ausar level while simultaneously debating anything. Trust me on that. For your reference, do you remember last year when ol' boy made the laughable claim of having attained sphere 0 while concocting spreading malicious lies about R.U.N.A. and the Ausar Auset Society? Here we go again, this time with somebody claiming to have ascended to the 1st sphere talking that crazy talk.

You can tell where people are spiritually by how they behave.

If you look at the pictorial representation of Ausar, you'll notice that he holds the crook in one hand and the flail in the other. The crook is for gently guiding the individual who has gone astray back to the right path. The flail, on the other hand, is an instrument of war, because "even" Ausar understands that sometimes you can't reason with a muthafrigga; every now and then you just gotta kick some mass.



Mos' def. See above.



Hotep sami
My thoughts exactly even the highly intelligent beast of x men overstood that. Holla

if a man breaks into your house at 3 in the morning do you embrace him or shoot him?
1. Shoot the bastid.
2. Make out a police report
3. Go back to bed.

thanks, i feel a lot better now....
No problem.

This fake Ausar person sounds like somebody white who's trying to use our spiritual principles to manipulate us. That's how they control people of Afrikan descent who don't embrace their religious doctrines.

1. Shoot the bastid.
2. Make out a police report
3. Go back to bed.

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Racism Non~Anonymous

"Simple Solutions for Complete BE~ings" !



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Racism Non~Anonymous

"Simple Solutions for Complete BE~ings" !



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and...

then I had this to say...

and...

JAMESFROMMYHOMETOWNE!

It's UNDER 3 mins!!!!! :grin::grin::grin:

:hearts2:

There ain't NOBODY at the level of Ausar who's gonna be in an internet chat room announcing to the world that they've ascended to the Ausar level while simultaneously debating anything. Trust me on that. For your reference, do you remember last year when ol' boy made the laughable claim of having attained sphere 0 while concocting & spreading malicious lies about R.U.N.A. and the Ausar Auset Society? Here we go again, this time with somebody claiming to have ascended to the 1st sphere talking that crazy talk.

You can tell where people are spiritually by how they behave.

If you look at the pictorial representation of Ausar, you'll notice that he holds the crook in one hand and the flail in the other. The crook is for gently guiding the individual who has gone astray back to the right path. The flail, on the other hand, is an instrument of war, because "even" Ausar understands that sometimes you can't reason with a muthafrigga; every now and then you just gotta kick some mass.



Mos' def. See above.

I found myself nodding my head in agreement to this...but after a little reflection....it's mainly because I want to believe it.

Where in the doctrine of Metu Neter or in the practical application of the doctrine does anybody kick any mass?

Where in the Metu Neter are "white" people identified as the enemy?

If the Metu Neter truly are profound, authentic spiritual texts their universality extends beyond the modern trickery of race.

Where in the Metu Neter are "white" people identified as the enemy?
me, james, i identify them as the enemy!

and...

then I had this to say...

and...

JAMESFROMMYHOMETOWNE!

It's UNDER 3 mins!!!!! :grin::grin::grin:

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A HAHAAHAHAHA....I never added the video!...LOL

aite, lets see..

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there! now, I don't even remember how much on "topic" it is...yet, I was a direct reply to what I said here to Sami_RaMaati


AND...I agree with James in that as a W.A.D., I see/experience white folks as my enemy and, I am NOT about to embrace them. Well, I'd like to act as The~Rapist with them as well...Raping their minds of the b.s. illusions they hold about US and Them!


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me, james, i identify them as the enemy!

ok. you james. which enemy is more dangerous. the one within you or the external ones over which you exercise little control?

ok. you james. which enemy is more dangerous. the one within you or the external ones over which you exercise little control?

UMMMMM..this has me :thinking:


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UMMMMM..this has me :thinking:


:hearts2:


You KNOW what Kemetkind....and James...

It's still all about the Both/And for M.E.

Therefore, Both are equally problemmatic and RE~quire attention...

for M.E.

and, I was having a conversation with Brother Clyde Coger about this thread and this same question could BE asked of those who hold the Bible out as THE answer for "life", "loving", "salvation" and/or guides to Living.
I don't have an exact "address" (term used by those of the Christian faith to identify book and verse of particular scriptural reference), yet, there are a few which support an "embracing of ones enemy". For example...
"love thy neighbors as thy self", or "hold my piece and let the Lord fight my battles" and, "Vengance is mine saith the Lord".
Now, many in my FAMILY have taught and uphold that BE~lief and...

I have a problem with that.

Of primary concern is the that,
1. I have white folk living in the majority of the homes surrounding the one in which I reside.
2. I have a battle of sorts with white folk in that they have told some lies on M.E. and my people for a very long time and, based on those lies, have proceeded to implement a shystem designed to hold A~Free~Kans in a position of subordination to them.
and
3. To accomplish that goal, they have raped, beat, murdered, ...plain ole traumatized my ANCESTORS and forced them to labor to build this great Nation of which folk like MrRon speaks of. This Nation which is continually upheld and defended by people who look like M.E. (earth tone..you know.."god took the dirt/earth or something to that effect and shaped Man).


So...as a RE~sult, many of US now seem to :thinking: WE would Do best to "focus on self" while in the meantime,.....THEY are continueing to screw US royally "every which way but loose".

So...there you have it.

Oh Yes...you asked..."which is worse" or something like that...

ummmmm...Still about "first things first" for M.E.
THEY (My enemy...aka...white lunatics and those who THINK like them)...need to get off they foot off my back.....fangs out my neck.... and stinking pee pee out my backside ...

THEN...

I can DO the neccessary work to Wash them out of my psychic..

BOTH/AND..

Thanks for Listening to M.E. share!

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which enemy is more dangerous. the one within you or the external ones over which you exercise little control?
the external one of course

"the Ausarian approach to resolving family conflicts --- Embrace the God within your enemy until your enemy becomes your friend"

i'm butting heads with somebody over at afrochat who claims to be at the level of ausar and who tells me that we should embrace white people.
she says that is what the metu neter says to do.

i have a problem with that.

is there no room for warriors in khemetic society?

The people that walk around with their heads filled with these romantic illusions really flips me. They complete disregard the reality that for over four hundred years black people have been engaged in reaching out to the God and good in White people, but are no closer to their target now, than when they began this elusive pursuit centiries ago. In fact, we are where we are in this world because of leadership and strategies that pursue this fleeting illusion, rather than engaging in what is practical, in what is sound, in what every other group does.

Basically some us achieve ego fulfillment from carthartic remedies in mysticisms and religious dogma. Me, I am practical and to the bone. We do unto others as they do unto us, and as we would have them do unto us. Let us focus on finding the God power that is within us and using it to propell our struggles beyond the interference of the enemy. If we can do that the enemy will find the God within themselves without any help from us. And bully for them when they do.

ok. you james. which enemy is more dangerous. the one within you or the external ones over which you exercise little control?

Bro Kemet, when I first read these words I thought it was a ridiculous question to ask. Obviously the external I thought. But now I wonder.

Looking at the very question presented in this thread is eye-opening, imo. If a group is openly waging war against you and your people (and have done so for a long period of time) and you strive to embrace that group, YOU are a bigger threat/enemy to your (and the group's) health and well-being than the open enemy. Why? Because you are running toward destruction instead of devising ways of protecting yourself from it. So while you cannot stop the external enemy from waging war, you can work on changing the enemy within so that you seek to protect yourself from danger instead of running toward or embracing destruction.

I found myself nodding my head in agreement to this...but after a little reflection....it's mainly because I want to believe it.

Where in the doctrine of Metu Neter or in the practical application of the doctrine does anybody kick any mass?

FYI, "Kick some mass" is actually a play on the words -- "kick some azzz."

Metu Neter is not a doctrine, but to answer your question, since the scope of the question and discussion -- which deal with how should one respond to a threat against ones person or group -- is beyond the scope of the book so is the answer. Unlike others here, I have the advantage of having heard R.U.N.A. address this issue before: "If someone is attacking you and you know kung fu, then kung fu 'em." Within the context of Metu Neter, this makes sense for a couple of reasons:

1. the need to maintain one's physical integrity in order to serve as a vehicle through which God's light shines in the world.

2. Attacks against ones person (or against another group) is a violation of Divine Law (Maat) as it threatens the integrity of the whole and must be stopped. This is the role of Herukhuti, the enforcer of Divine Law (who, incidentally, governs law enforcement and the military). An individual who has ascended to the level of Ausar would know this and would not advocate such nonsense as "embrace your enemy until your enemy becomes your friend" without the proper context or background.

3. R.U.N.A. deals with this in vol 2, page 202, in which he points out that it's okay to break bread with wrongdoers, but only AFTER the following conditions are met: they must be apprehended, punished, and raised up to the level of Ausar. That eliminates any and all doubts as to whether we should embrace white people or others who would do us harm.
Where in the Metu Neter are "white" people identified as the enemy?
Nowhere.If the Metu Neter truly are profound, authentic spiritual texts their universality extends beyond the modern trickery of race.

Tru dat. On the other hand, the thread itself raises the very practical question of what is the Ausarian approach to dealing with those who pose an immediate threat of physical harm. That would include white people, but it's certainly not limited to them.

If a group is openly waging war against you and your people (and have done so for a long period of time) and you strive to embrace that group, YOU are a bigger threat/enemy to your (and the group's) health and well-being than the open enemy. Why? Because you are running toward destruction instead of devising ways of protecting yourself from it. So while you cannot stop the external enemy from waging war, you can work on changing the enemy within so that you seek to protect yourself from danger instead of running toward or embracing destruction.


Exactly sista Faithsoulsista....I couldn't agree more.

The enemy within is far more dangerous, for if you have no mastery over it, everything else is moot.

Our failure to have mastery over it, is often masked to the point where our internal enemy cripples us with destructive forces whilst remaining undetected.

If you have mastery over self, you can equip and prepare to effectively confront external challenges and threats.

I like what Bro E.Williams posted earlier about finding parallels in nature, for this same principle applies even on a cellular level.

Q. Which are the most destructive and incurable diseases?

A. Auto-immune diseases that turn the bodies own defenses against itself.

Europeans have greater relative power than we do because individually, collectively, nationally, geopolitically, they exercise greater self-mastery.

They embrace external enemies, strategically, as a matter of survival.

Increasingly, the same can be said for Indians and Chinese.

Whether you choose to embrace or not to embrace an enemy (or an ally) should be a tactical decision made after considering all relevant variables.

Life experience has told me that the racial construct is one variable, but not the only, and especially these days, not the most critical.

I haven't come across anything in the metu neter or any other legitimate spiritual text refuting that.

For discussions sake,

I guess you can say that the European (Specifically&Collectively...Consciously or Unconsciously) has had a considerable stake in my "Enemy within dillema." Even if the European shares this dillema with me fundamentally, (Maybe if he truly resolved it he wouldn't even exist separate from me ) it would be analogous to Oprah (in the color purple) back seat driving for Missy (Whatever the white chicks name was); she can't drive and tearin the car up, completely oblivious to how her shananigans were affecting oprah and family. She defined the relationship,the way she felt comfortable, and through "counter-transference" assumed oprah should have been proud to be with her and have the position. Should I embrace a people who identify with a cultural construct that gets its leverage from me losing the battle with my enemy within ..........Hmmmmmmm???

Maybe I SHOULD just keep methodically waging war on that enemy (within) or at least learn how the instigator uses my per-son against me (Which is metaphorized as my enemy IE, "SET."

In the meantime I will embrace with trepidation. (Assuming the manifold of inferences concerning the word: "Embrace")

Exactly sista Faithsoulsista....I couldn't agree more.

The enemy within is far more dangerous, for if you have no mastery over it, everything else is moot.

Our failure to have mastery over it, is often masked to the point where our internal enemy cripples us with destructive forces whilst remaining undetected.

If you have mastery over self, you can equip and prepare to effectively confront external challenges and threats.

I like what Bro E.Williams posted earlier about finding parallels in nature, for this same principle applies even on a cellular level.

Q. Which are the most destructive and incurable diseases?

A. Auto-immune diseases that turn the bodies own defenses against itself.

Europeans have greater relative power than we do because individually, collectively, nationally, geopolitically, they exercise greater self-mastery.

They embrace external enemies, strategically, as a matter of survival.

Increasingly, the same can be said for Indians and Chinese.

Whether you choose to embrace or not to embrace an enemy (or an ally) should be a tactical decision made after considering all relevant variables.

Life experience has told me that the racial construct is one variable, but not the only, and especially these days, not the most critical.

I haven't come across anything in the metu neter or any other legitimate spiritual text refuting that.

Yes, I do see your point about the internal enemy. But are euros really embracing enemies? I think perhaps we do not have the same definition of the word embrace.

Btw, why would we want to imitate the euro? We have seen the wanton destruction they have wreaked upon the planet. Do we really want to model that sickness?

FYI, "Kick some mass" is actually a play on the words -- "kick some azzz."


Didn't mean to imply I didn't catch your play on words...I was just wondering whether the metu neter had anything to say about practical matters of self defense.



Metu Neter is not a doctrine, but to answer your question, since the scope of the question and discussion -- which deal with how should one respond to a threat against ones person or group -- is beyond the scope of the book so is the answer.

I too have picked up on the fact that we are attempting to address a secular topic within the context of a spiritual philosophy (hopefully that fits better than "doctrine", if not, clue me in on the proper categorical descriptor for the metu neter).

But this is where traditional religion fails us, as it has difficulty translating practical life action from spiritual theory.

We must step outside of traditional religion to gain clarity on how to deal with so-called white people, and in this regard and on this topic, the metu neter seems no different.



Unlike others here, I have the advantage of having heard R.U.N.A. address this issue before: "If someone is attacking you and you know kung fu, then kung fu 'em." Within the context of Metu Neter, this makes sense for a couple of reasons:

1. the need to maintain one's physical integrity in order to serve as a vehicle through which God's light shines in the world.

2. Attacks against ones person (or against another group) is a violation of Divine Law (Maat) as it threatens the integrity of the whole and must be stopped. This is the role of Herukhuti, the enforcer of Divine Law (who, incidentally, governs law enforcement and the military). An individual who has ascended to the level of Ausar would know this and would not advocate such nonsense as "embrace your enemy until your enemy becomes your friend" without the proper context or background.


Right. I get that. That's why I said I wanted to believe.

But from a practical perspective of implementation, either A) the AAS defines its boundaries narrowly enough to exclude itself from having to take action to stop attacks,

or

B) the AAS deals with these matters from a practical implementation exactly the same as other spiritual groups do....i.e...attacks against the group are made (black people), and direct action to prevent the attacks or bring justice to the attackers is not forthcoming and is not within the scope of the spiritual group's activities.

At the end of the day, the metu neter is no more or less revolutionary than the bible...both are spiritual texts which would have you ascend to a state of ultimate peace at one with the supreme being.

For inspiration about how to deal practically with matters of race....we have to look elsewhere.


3. R.U.N.A. deals with this in vol 2, page 202, in which he points out that it's okay to break bread with wrongdoers, but only AFTER the following conditions are met: they must be apprehended, punished, and raised up to the level of Ausar. That eliminates any and all doubts as to whether we should embrace white people or others who would do us harm.

Right, but the apprehending and punishing and raising up is not happening, and probably won't happen until there are enough functional Ausarians to make it happen.

So in the meantime just avoid them and hope for the best? While they continue to bombard?

No. Won't work IMO.

This would be like an ostrich putting its head in a hole in the middle of a battlefield.

For inspiration about how to deal practically with matters of race....we have to look elsewhere.
my study has helped me in dealing with the matters of race. the first law and the second law.

why would we want to imitate the euro? We have seen the wanton destruction they have wreaked upon the planet.
Do we really want to model that sickness?
no, we do not

Yes, I do see your point about the internal enemy. But are euros really embracing enemies? I think perhaps we do not have the same definition of the word embrace.

Btw, why would we want to imitate the euro? We have seen the wanton destruction they have wreaked upon the planet. Do we really want to model that sickness?


I agree the word embrace has contextual meaning. But in just about every definition of the word yes, those who have power routinely do embrace their enemies or opposition.

They are not embracing for the sake of embracing, they are doing it to know and understand the plans of the enemy.

I also agree with the sentiment that parroting the european for the sake of it is foolish.

But this reminds me of how some of our kids shun academics because they think excelling emulates white people...having been made a victim of the ultimate hoodwink....considering our ancestors produced the foundations of academia in the first place.

The european did not invent, but merely copied these techniques of dealing strategically with enemies. We often see Art of War and Sun Tzu credited, but many of the axioms are similar to African wisdom.

Regardless, wisdom is wisdom and knowledge is knowledge. Because one group or another is using it effectively doesn't diminish it.

Credited to Sun Tzu:
" One who knows the enemy and knows himself will not be in danger in a hundred battles.

One who does not know the enemy but knows himself will sometimes win, sometimes lose.

One who does not know the enemy and does not know himself will be in danger in every battle."

my study has helped me in dealing with the matters of race. the first law and the second law.


do tell.

I agree the word embrace has contextual meaning. But in just about every definition of the word yes, those who have power routinely do embrace their enemies or opposition.

They are not embracing for the sake of embracing, they are doing it to know and understand the plans of the enemy.

I also agree with the sentiment that parroting the european for the sake of it is foolish.

But this reminds me of how some of our kids shun academics because they think excelling emulates white people...having been made a victim of the ultimate hoodwink....considering our ancestors produced the foundations of academia in the first place.

The european did not invent, but merely copied these techniques of dealing strategically with enemies. We often see Art of War and Sun Tzu credited, but many of the axioms are similar to African wisdom.

Regardless, wisdom is wisdom and knowledge is knowledge. Because one group or another is using it effectively doesn't diminish it.

Credited to Sun Tzu:
" One who knows the enemy and knows himself will not be in danger in a hundred battles.

One who does not know the enemy but knows himself will sometimes win, sometimes lose.

One who does not know the enemy and does not know himself will be in danger in every battle."

Well that to me is not "embracing", but deception and trickery. To me an embrace is sincere and heartfelt and not a means to get close to someone for an ulterior motive. That is something entirely different in my eyes.

Now, I think when you say "embrace" you are speaking in terms of warfare. Ok, that I can follow. Now in regards to the Sun Tzu quotes, I can definitely see the importance of knowing the enemy and yourself. And I do understand the need for deception in warfare.

So I guess my question is: If we defeat the euro by playing by his sick and evil games, will we not become the very thing that we despise? And that which has plunged the world into degradation and destruction?

If we defeat the euro by playing by his sick and evil games, will we not become the very thing that we despise?

maybe, maybe not....just because you play a game does not mean you believe in it.

do tell.
Ma'aT
the first law and the second law


Amen

You were made in the likeness of a peace that nothing can disturb.
Reclaim your peace that you may attain to your reason for coming into existence:
The enjoyment of life.


Ausar

Your nature is an unconquerable peace, therefore nothing or no one can be against you.
All experiences come to you to promote your reclamation of peace, that you may, in turn, acquire wisdom and power.

:angel1:

So I guess my question is: If we defeat the euro by playing by his sick and evil games, will we not become the very thing that we despise? And that which has plunged the world into degradation and destruction?


An embrace and the motive behind an embrace are two entirely different things.

And this is not only about literal warfare, this applies to every day decisions made as we go about living life in this country.

Still, I guess I'm not following you. What sick and evil european games are you talking about?

I wouldn't consider critically deciding whom to embrace and when to embrace them deception and trickery, rather it is simply strategic action.

I've already alluded to the fact strategic engagement wasn't originated by the european...in fact, THEY have been late in the party to adopt it.

See the brutality of the civil war and world wars one and two. Contrast that with the cold war and the tactics deployed post vietnam.

As they learn more about ancient wisdom, they adopt it, but the trick is they have us believing they originated that which they pilfered.

So we confidently label their exploits sick and evil when in many cases they are only improvising upon what our ancestors developed.

These tactics are not intuitive, but neither are they sick or evil. I'd say quite the opposite since their ultimate goal is to preserve the whole and prevent destruction.

What is sick and evil is the historical modus operandi of some groups who are now appropriating our tactics.

the first law and the second law


Amen

You were made in the likeness of a peace that nothing can disturb.
Reclaim your peace that you may attain to your reason for coming into existence:
The enjoyment of life.


Ausar

Your nature is an unconquerable peace, therefore nothing or no one can be against you.
All experiences come to you to promote your reclamation of peace, that you may, in turn, acquire wisdom and power.

:angel1:

Hetep

Metu Neter is not a doctrine, but to answer your question, since the scope of the question and discussion -- which deal with how should one respond to a threat against ones person or group -- is beyond the scope of the book so is the answer. Unlike others here, I have the advantage of having heard R.U.N.A. address this issue before: "If someone is attacking you and you know kung fu, then kung fu 'em."
How To Embrace Your Enemy

There is more than one way to kung fu someone --- to embrace an enemy.

To embrace your enemy, you first have to draw him close enough to smell his fear, close enough to look though the window of his eyes into his very soul, close enough so that he cannot raise his fist without you becoming immediately aware so that you can deflect that blow back into his own being. Hold him tightly in your warm embrace until he realizes that his only escape is to Be Still And Know That I Am God!

I witnessed such an embrace a couple of days ago as I was taking my morning walk. A rodent [Set] was in the parking lot [the phenomenal world], wandering to and fro seeking whom he might devour.

Suddenly, as a thief in the night, a large bird swooped down from heaven, caught that rodent between its talons, and embraced it into submission.

1. the need to maintain one's physical integrity in order to serve as a vehicle through which God's light shines in the world.
You Are Not Your Body

RAUN consistently stresses in his two volume set, and in "MAAT - The 11 Laws of God", that the objective of each of the eleven steps is "to transfer the identity away from the person to the indwelling Divinity". A phrase such as "maintain ones physical integrity" runs the great risk of leading you back to the flawed perception that I am the body, rather than that I am the indwelling Divinity which is Ausar.

Yes, we are the vehicle through which God's light shines in the world. No, that vehicle is that the body, which is limited, but rather the Self, which knows no limitation. This physical body of ours is no more that a garment that we wear for a season. Take good care of it, of course, as you would any garment in your closet. But, know that the I is not the body.

Black people. The first of Men. Know this. The only power YT holds over you is his power to threaten your physical body, your emotions, and your mind. Transcend them all, become AUSAR, and YT will cease to have any power to oppress you.

3. R.U.N.A. deals with this in vol 2, page 202, in which he points out that it's okay to break bread with wrongdoers, but only AFTER the following conditions are met: they must be apprehended, punished, and raised up to the level of Ausar. That eliminates any and all doubts as to whether we should embrace white people or others who would do us harm.
The True Self, Even in White People, is God

This is a quote worth repeating in its entirety, so as not to misunderstand what RAUN is saying:

"Yes! The true Self in the killer is God, obviously as the dead Ausar at the bottom of the sea. Nevertheless, our oneness with him/her cannot be denied. But our sitting in fellowship, and breaking bread together can only take place, after S/he has been caught, punished, and redeemed -- i.e., Ausar within him/her resurrected."When we read this, with comprehension, we see that RAUN has completely transcended the petty segregative limitations of race. He recognizes, not white men, or 3 AM intruders, or killers, but only the true Self within All which is AUSAR.

In the Bhagavad Gita, Lord Krishna [Ausar] gives this advice to Arjuna [man]:

"Death means the attainment of heaven; victory means the enjoyment of the earth. Therefore rise up, Arjuna, resolved to fight!"

We are in a war and we do have a duty to fight. I am sure Jamesfromphilly's friend did not mean to suggest that we should not fight our enemy, but rather that we should be smarter in our choice of weapons.

Do not fail to fight this righteous war. Embrace your enemy with the talons of the Word [Tehuti]. Hold him there, tightly, until he ceases to resist.

How To Embrace Your Enemy

There is more than one way to kung fu someone --- to embrace an enemy.

To embrace your enemy, you first have to draw him close enough to smell his fear, close enough to look though the window of his eyes into his very soul, close enough so that he cannot raise his fist without you becoming immediately aware so that you can deflect that blow back into his own being. Hold him tightly in your warm embrace until he realizes that his only escape is to Be Still And Know That I Am God!

I witnessed such an embrace a couple of days ago as I was taking my morning walk. A rodent [Set] was in the parking lot [the phenomenal world], wandering to and fro seeking whom he might devour.

Suddenly, as a thief in the night, a large bird swooped down from heaven, caught that rodent between its talons, and embraced it into submission.


You Are Not Your Body

RAUN consistently stresses in his two volume set, and in "MAAT - The 11 Laws of God", that the objective of each of the eleven steps is "to transfer the identity away from the person to the indwelling Divinity". A phrase such as "maintain ones physical integrity" runs the great risk of leading you back to the flawed perception that I am the body, rather than that I am the indwelling Divinity which is Ausar.

Yes, we are the vehicle through which God's light shines in the world. No, that vehicle is that the body, which is limited, but rather the Self, which knows no limitation. This physical body of ours is no more that a garment that we wear for a season. Take good care of it, of course, as you would any garment in your closet. But, know that the I is not the body.

Black people. The first of Men. Know this. The only power YT holds over you is his power to threaten your physical body, your emotions, and your mind. Transcend them all, become AUSAR, and YT will cease to have any power to oppress you.


The True Self, Even in White People, is God

This is a quote worth repeating in its entirety, so as not to misunderstand what RAUN is saying:

"Yes! The true Self in the killer is God, obviously as the dead Ausar at the bottom of the sea. Nevertheless, our oneness with him/her cannot be denied. But our sitting in fellowship, and breaking bread together can only take place, after S/he has been caught, punished, and redeemed -- i.e., Ausar within him/her resurrected."When we read this, with comprehension, we see that RAUN has completely transcended the petty segregative limitations of race. He recognizes, not white men, or 3 AM intruders, or killers, but only the true Self within All which is AUSAR.

In the Bhagavad Gita, Lord Krishna [Ausar] gives this advice to Arjuna [man]:

"Death means the attainment of heaven; victory means the enjoyment of the earth. Therefore rise up, Arjuna, resolved to fight!"

We are in a war and we do have a duty to fight. I am sure Jamesfromphilly's friend did not mean to suggest that we should not fight our enemy, but rather that we should be smarter in our choice of weapons.

Do not fail to fight this righteous war. Embrace your enemy with the talons of the Word [Tehuti]. Hold him there, tightly, until he ceases to resist.

:bowdown:

I am sure Jamesfrmphilly's friend did not mean to suggest that we should not fight our enemy, but rather that we should be smarter in our choice of weapons..
"Jamesfrmphilly's friend" is you. i was referring to you and your statements.

a large bird swooped down from heaven, caught that rodent between its talons, and embraced it into submission..
this is a misuse of the word embrace and you know it. however, if that is the way that you want us to "embrace" the white man, i am all for it.

Do not fail to fight this righteous war. Embrace your enemy with the talons of the Word [Tehuti]. Hold him there, tightly, until he ceases to resist.
now ya talking, trudat!


:bowdown:

:bowdown:

maybe, maybe not....just because you play a game does not mean you believe in it.

I don't quite follow. Are you saying we should play by their rules to defeat them and then all of a sudden we will implement something totally different after we have defeated them?

An embrace and the motive behind an embrace are two entirely different things.

And this is not only about literal warfare, this applies to every day decisions made as we go about living life in this country.

Still, I guess I'm not following you. What sick and evil european games are you talking about?

I wouldn't consider critically deciding whom to embrace and when to embrace them deception and trickery, rather it is simply strategic action.

I've already alluded to the fact strategic engagement wasn't originated by the european...in fact, THEY have been late in the party to adopt it.

See the brutality of the civil war and world wars one and two. Contrast that with the cold war and the tactics deployed post vietnam.

As they learn more about ancient wisdom, they adopt it, but the trick is they have us believing they originated that which they pilfered.

So we confidently label their exploits sick and evil when in many cases they are only improvising upon what our ancestors developed.

These tactics are not intuitive, but neither are they sick or evil. I'd say quite the opposite since their ultimate goal is to preserve the whole and prevent destruction.

What is sick and evil is the historical modus operandi of some groups who are now appropriating our tactics.

What the european is doing and have done is sick and evil. I do not know if it is a perversion of things we originated. But what you are proposing sounds to me like trying to beat the euro at his own game.

So what exactly are you talking about in reference to "embracing" the euro? What type of embrace? What is the motive? And once it is achieved, what do you hope to accomplish?

I too have picked up on the fact that we are attempting to address a secular topic within the context of a spiritual philosophy (hopefully that fits better than "doctrine", if not, clue me in on the proper categorical descriptor for the metu neter).
Since we are in the category of the book "Metu Neter" let's go wtih what the author says it is: "a practical syncretism of the best that the Kamitic (Ancient Egyptian), the Dravidian (Black India) and the Canaanite (true authors of Kabala) religions have to offer."
This takes it quite a bit beyond being a "philosophy" which is nothing more than yackety-yack without practical application, and into the realm of what must be done to recreate civilization. But this is where traditional religion fails us, as it has difficulty translating practical life action from spiritual theory.
Oh, I wouldn't say that. From where I sit, I see far more practical stuff in traditional religion than I see theoretical. It may be wrongheaded, misinterpreted, misapplied or all three. Your average Christian can point to any of a number of biblical passages to justify any response to any situation he so chooses. I ain't no religious scholar, but based on what study I've done I find the notion that traditional religions are mere "spiritual theories" with no "what should I do" component to be untenable. "We must step outside of traditional religion to gain clarity on how to deal with so-called white people, and in this regard and on this topic, the metu neter seems no different." I disagree. In the 1800's, a country preacher by the name of Nat Turner used a traditional religion called Christianity to deal wisely with white people. During the religious crusades, the caucasian tribe we call a-rabs used the Quran to deal with another caucasian tribe we call europeans. But from a practical perspective of implementation, either A) the AAS defines its boundaries narrowly enough to exclude itself from having to take action to stop attacks,
or

B) the AAS deals with these matters from a practical implementation exactly the same as other spiritual groups do....i.e...attacks against the group are made (black people), and direct action to prevent the attacks or bring justice to the attackers is not forthcoming and is not within the scope of the spiritual group's activities.
Both of the above are false. In the first place, the AAS doesn't define its boundaries any more narrowly than Kemetkind defines his. Even if they did, no matter how narrowly those boundaries were defined, they can still be breached and there would still be a need to have a means of self defense.

With regard to number 2, that's not even remotely true. On page 100 of Metu Neter, vol 1 it states: "Each of the spheres of the Tree of Life represents one of nine personalities ("Deities") that man must learn to invoke at any given moment to meet the changing demands of life." The personality (i.e., "Deity") that must be invoked with regard to James' inquiry is Herukhuti. On page 281 of volume 1 among the Social Correspondences of Herukhuti are listed: SOLDIERS, FIGHTERS, WARRIORS, POLICEMEN, etc. On page 77 of volume 2 we are informed that: "His method is brute force." All of the above professions --soldiers, fighters, warriors, and policemen - are trained to kick azzz on an azzz needed basis.

I think you're equating being at peace in a challenging situation with doing nothing to ameliorate it. That's a common mistake newbies make when we bring this up in our classes. To be at peace in a tough situation means to not get flustered to the point that you can't intelligently respond to whatever challenge confronts you. An essential part of martial arts training consists of learning to remain peaceful when under attack. It is this peaceful state that frees up physical energy and provides clarity of mind to enable these guys to tear their attackers to pieces.
"At the end of the day, the metu neter is no more or less revolutionary than the bible..."
Neither is the tax code. Besides, being revolutionary is not its job. It is what it says it is; no more, no less.
"both are spiritual texts which would have you ascend to a state of ultimate peace at one with the supreme being." Being in "a state of ultimate peace at one with the supreme being" does not obligate one do nothing while being b|tch slapped up and down the street.
For inspiration about how to deal practically with matters of race....we have to look elsewhere.
We really don't have to, but we can if we so choose. but the apprehending and punishing and raising up is not happening, and probably won't happen until there are enough functional Ausarians to make it happen.
You don't need "enough" functional Ausarians to make it happen. Just enough endarkened Sahu who care enough to DO something about our condition.
So in the meantime just avoid them and hope for the best? While they continue to bombard?

No. Won't work IMO. This would be like an ostrich putting its head in a hole in the middle of a battlefield." Again, don't confuse "being at peace" with "being apathetic to events in your surroundings."

You Are Not Your Body
I never said I was.

RAUN consistently stresses in his two volume set, and in "MAAT - The 11 Laws of God", that the objective of each of the eleven steps is "to transfer the identity away from the person to the indwelling Divinity".
QUESTION:

Can a dead man transfer his identity away from the person to the indwelling Divinity?A phrase such as "maintain ones physical integrity" runs the great risk of leading you back to the flawed perception that I am the body, rather than that I am the indwelling Divinity which is Ausar.
QUESTION: Can the Indwelling Divinity which is Ausar shine through a dead body?
Yes, we are the vehicle through which God's light shines in the world. No, that vehicle is that the body, which is limited, but rather the Self, which knows no limitation.
QUESTION:

If the body is dead because its owner was shot and killed because he tried to lecture a home invader instead of kung-fuing the hell out of him, will God's light shine through it anyway, because his intentions were good?
This physical body of ours is no more that a garment that we wear for a season. Take good care of it, of course, as you would any garment in your closet. But, know that the I is not the body.

Neither is the eye, but that's beside the point.

Black people. The first of Men. Know this. The only power YT holds over you is his power to threaten your physical body, your emotions, and your mind. Transcend them all, become AUSAR, and YT will cease to have any power to oppress you.
And while you're on the way to becoming Ausar, be sure to take some time out from your busy schedule to kick some mass.

The True Self, Even in White People, is God

My apologies to the True Self.

This is a quote worth repeating in its entirety, so as not to misunderstand what RAUN is saying:

"Yes! The true Self in the killer is God, obviously as the dead Ausar at the bottom of the sea. Nevertheless, our oneness with him/her cannot be denied. But our sitting in fellowship, and breaking bread together can only take place, after S/he has been caught, punished, and redeemed -- i.e., Ausar within him/her resurrected."When we read this, with comprehension, we see that RAUN has completely transcended the petty segregative limitations of race. He recognizes, not white men, or 3 AM intruders, or killers, but only the true Self within All which is AUSAR.

But don't forget, he also used the p word: PUNISHED, i.e., got his azzz kicked good.

In the Bhagavad Gita, Lord Krishna [Ausar] gives this advice to Arjuna [man]:

"Death means the attainment of heaven; victory means the enjoyment of the earth. Therefore rise up, Arjuna, resolved to fight!"That's not a physical death Lord Krishna is talking about, it's death as in dying to the things of the world. Big difference, ya know. But even there, notice he tells ol' boy to rise up, resolved to kick some mass.

We are in a war and we do have a duty to fight. I am sure Jamesfromphilly's friend did not mean to suggest that we should not fight our enemy, but rather that we should be smarter in our choice of weapons.

Do not fail to fight this righteous war. Embrace your enemy with the talons of the Word [Tehuti]. Hold him there, tightly, until he ceases to resist.
Me, I prefer a roundhouse kick to the side of the face.

Are you saying we should play by their rules to defeat them and then all of a sudden we will implement something totally different after we have defeated them?
i may play their game but by my own rules. use their game against them where possible. use whatever you can to get the job done.

What the european is doing and have done is sick and evil. I do not know if it is a perversion of things we originated. But what you are proposing sounds to me like trying to beat the euro at his own game.

So what exactly are you talking about in reference to "embracing" the euro? What type of embrace? What is the motive? And once it is achieved, what do you hope to accomplish?

I thought I was pretty clear in what I meant by embrace and what the purpose would be.

I also thought I was pretty clear that strategically dealing with opponents is not the "europeans game".

Why do you think Ahmadinejad was here speaking @ american universities last month?

If you could point out one ethnic or political group that does not do this (i.e. engage their opponents/enemies with something other than direct confrontation), then maybe I could understand your rationale for insisting this is a european concept.

i will not play by their rules. i may play their game but by my own rules. use their game against them where possible. use what ever you can to get the job done.

Ok brother James. Now I see what you're saying. Maybe this is what brother Kemet was saying as well.

I thought I was pretty clear in what I meant by embrace and what the purpose would be.


With all due respect, if you were clear, I wouldn't have asked those questions for clarification. Nevermind. I'm no longer interested in what you meant.

With all due respect, if you were clear, I wouldn't have asked those questions for clarification. Nevermind. I'm no longer interested in what you meant.

:cool: If you say so.

Since we are in the category of the book "Metu Neter" let's go wtih what the author says it is: "a practical syncretism of the best that the Kamitic (Ancient Egyptian), the Dravidian (Black India) and the Canaanite (true authors of Kabala) religions have to offer."
This takes it quite a bit beyond being a "philosophy" which is nothing more than yackety-yack without practical application, and into the realm of what must be done to recreate civilization.

Agreed. I was studying some Ashby just the other day and he makes this distinction clearly...he says these systems should be considered a "science" (i.e. an applied science) as opposed to an philosophical system (which is primarily intellectual).



[B]Oh, I wouldn't say that. From where I sit, I see far more practical stuff in traditional religion than I see theoretical. It may be wrongheaded, misinterpreted, misapplied or all three. Your average Christian can point to any of a number of biblical passages to justify any response to any situation he so chooses. I ain't no religious scholar, but based on what study I've done I find the notion that traditional religions are mere "spiritual theories" with no "what should I do" component to be untenable.

I don't want to get too far off on a tangent, but i'm speaking specifically with regards to race. To deal with race, these spiritual systems have to be interpreted and applied as people see fit.

They don't inherently provide specific guidelines. Metu Neter doesn't appear to be any different in this regard.



[B]I disagree. In the 1800's, a country preacher by the name of Nat Turner used a traditional religion called Christianity to deal wisely with white people. During the religious crusades, the caucasian tribe we call a-rabs used the Quran to deal with another caucasian tribe we call europeans.

Sure. And in the 1900's a group of caucasian evangelicals used the bible to justify terroristic killings of black and brown people in the american south.

Their interpretations were imposed upon the text just as Nat imposed his and radical arabs impose theirs upon the Quran.

Since different groups can take the exact same text and draw out different practical applications of it according to their political aims.....it stands to reason the text itself is ambiguous on these matters...and the thing that matters is how a group is choosing to practically implement the teachings.

Which is why I wonder, at the end of the day, is AAS practically implementing metu neter any differently than southern baptists implement the bible?


Both of the above are false. In the first place, the AAS doesn't define its boundaries any more narrowly than Kemetkind defines his. Even if they did, no matter how narrowly those boundaries were defined, they can still be breached and there would still be a need to have a means of self defense.

Maybe AAS defines its boundaries as I do. But, this was an either / or.

If AAS defines its boundaries as including black people, as I do, then it is in the exact same boat of failing to defend said black people as I'm in, and as black christians or muslims are.

With respect to the exercisement of justice and/or self-defense, the practical application of spiritual science by the AAS does not result in any different outcome than the practical application of spiritual science by pentacostals and presbyterians. Black people are assaulted routinely without a response or a defense to prevent further assaults.



With regard to number 2, that's not even remotely true. On page 100 of Metu Neter, vol 1 it states: "Each of the spheres of the Tree of Life represents one of nine personalities ("Deities") that man must learn to invoke at any given moment to meet the changing demands of life." The personality (i.e., "Deity") that must be invoked with regard to James' inquiry is Herukhuti. On page 281 of volume 1 among the Social Correspondences of Herukhuti are listed: SOLDIERS, FIGHTERS, WARRIORS, POLICEMEN, etc. On page 77 of volume 2 we are informed that: "His method is brute force." All of the above professions --soldiers, fighters, warriors, and policemen - are trained to kick azzz on an azzz needed basis.


Sounds great. I want to believe it.

But again, UNLESS the boundaries of AAS only includes AAS members, then Herukhuti is MIA.

(I'm just assuming if an AAS member is unjustly hemmed up by the po po AAS would respond in some manner).

As you so forcefully mentioned, we (black people) are getting b-slapped up and down the street while Herukhuti is in the text (theory) but nowhere to be found on the street (practical application).


I think you're equating being at peace in a challenging situation with doing nothing to ameliorate it. That's a common mistake newbies make when we bring this up in our classes. To be at peace in a tough situation means to not get flustered to the point that you can't intelligently respond to whatever challenge confronts you. An essential part of martial arts training consists of learning to remain peaceful when under attack. It is this peaceful state that frees up physical energy and provides clarity of mind to enable these guys to tear their attackers to pieces.

You're right. I question the value of ultimate peace in the face of eminent danger while you're getting your A kicked.

I'm glad to hear that is a common newbie response, because my understanding had it seeming too similar to "store up your rewards in heaven" type rhetoric....the only difference being here heaven is internal.



[B]Neither is the tax code. Besides, being revolutionary is not its job. It is what it says it is; no more, no less. Being in "a state of ultimate peace at one with the supreme being" does not obligate one do nothing while being b|tch slapped up and down the street.

Okay. That's promising. But what is the something that we should be doing instead of nothing.

And is that something derived from the spiritual science or is it merely what we find most expedient to implement given our current political situation.

This is where embracing white,red, yellow or any other people for tactical/strategic reasons comes into question....it seems mundane and outside the scope of the spiritual science.


[B]We really don't have to, but we can if we so choose.
You don't need "enough" functional Ausarians to make it happen. Just enough endarkened Sahu who care enough to DO something about our condition.

Overstood.



[B]Again, don't confuse "being at peace" with "being apathetic to events in your surroundings."

An important distinction and I thank you for the clarification.

Help me overstand what a proficiency in the application of Metu Neter enables me to DO to change my surroundings, because I don't see so-called white people as my biggest problem.

Agreed. I was studying some Ashby just the other day and he makes this distinction clearly...he says these systems should be considered a "science" (i.e. an applied science) as opposed to an philosophical system (which is primarily intellectual).




I don't want to get too far off on a tangent, but i'm speaking specifically with regards to race. To deal with race, these spiritual systems have to be interpreted and applied as people see fit.

They don't inherently provide specific guidelines. Metu Neter doesn't appear to be any different in this regard.




Sure. And in the 1900's a group of caucasian evangelicals used the bible to justify terroristic killings of black and brown people in the american south.

Their interpretations were imposed upon the text just as Nat imposed his and radical arabs impose theirs upon the Quran.

Since different groups can take the exact same text and draw out different practical applications of it according to their political aims.....it stands to reason the text itself is ambiguous on these matters...and the thing that matters is how a group is choosing to practically implement the teachings.

Which is why I wonder, at the end of the day, is AAS practically implementing metu neter any differently than southern baptists implement the bible?



Maybe AAS defines its boundaries as I do. But, this was an either / or.

If AAS defines its boundaries as including black people, as I do, then it is in the exact same boat of failing to defend said black people as I'm in, and as black christians or muslims are.

With respect to the exercisement of justice and/or self-defense, the practical application of spiritual science by the AAS does not result in any different outcome than the practical application of spiritual science by pentacostals and presbyterians. Black people are assaulted routinely without a response or a defense to prevent further assaults.




Sounds great. I want to believe it.

But again, UNLESS the boundaries of AAS only includes AAS members, then Herukhuti is MIA.

(I'm just assuming if an AAS member is unjustly hemmed up by the po po AAS would respond in some manner).

As you so forcefully mentioned, we (black people) are getting b-slapped up and down the street while Herukhuti is in the text (theory) but nowhere to be found on the street (practical application).



You're right. I question the value of ultimate peace in the face of eminent danger while you're getting your A kicked.

I'm glad to hear that is a common newbie response, because my understanding had it seeming too similar to "store up your rewards in heaven" type rhetoric....the only difference being here heaven is internal.




Okay. That's promising. But what is the something that we should be doing instead of nothing.

And is that something derived from the spiritual science or is it merely what we find most expedient to implement given our current political situation.

This is where embracing white,red, yellow or any other people for tactical/strategic reasons comes into question....it seems mundane and outside the scope of the spiritual science.



Overstood.




An important distinction and I thank you for the clarification.

Help me overstand what a proficiency in the application of Metu Neter enables me to DO to change my surroundings, because I don't see so-called white people as my biggest problem.


:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

Hotep

Before we can do any thing that matters at all, "We must embrace the self". And in order to embrace your-self...you must "Know thy Self". Anything else is a continued waste of time as we have fallen into a un-natural (negro-slave-mentality) self and ignorantly, foolishly don't know who self is today.
To know self is to love self...to know self allows you to know others as well. The more you know your self...the more you automaticly know others.
Weakness and un-development of the "Spirit-Soul" is the "Root" cause for the condition of abject hate, dis-trust and self-distruction of the ignorant and foolish un-natural self as we (Afrikans in Amerikkka) have become.

Every thing with out exception in the "Universe" has its place and everything with out exception that gets out of place is "Distroyed" by its "Own-Self-Distruction". When the "Minds" of Men and Women become so un-natural as in the state of "Negrodom"...it must be distroyed as we can see the evidence of this self distruction take-ing place today right in front of our eyes.
We look up in the heavens and claim that we are born under this or that planet or star...I am a vergo, Capricorn, Leo etc...we say, but if this is true, then how much more do you think the influence of the "Earth" is on our lives? The "Earth" has more of an effect on us than any other planet or star except the "Sun" (RA) it self...Think!!

The Earth is as alive or even more so than you think you are. The Earths "Energies" that effect every thing we do in "Life or (decomposition of the body) Death". If any one comes to think in a un-natural state...then the Earth sees that person as a enemy or somthing that must be distroyed...so that un-natural thinker with out thinking is forced by the Earths Energies to "Self-Distruct"!!! Ask yourself...Why are those people we know or don't know...soo driven and determined to "Enjoy with glee the Self-Distruction they are in?? All self distruction is self-inflicted!!

Hate is invisible! Love is invisible! Thoughts are invisible! And so are those who allow them self for what ever the reasons will become use-less and with out purpose in the "Natural-Order-of-Things"...hence..."Self-Distruction" along with being in the wrong place at the wrong time as it is ordained by "Nature".
We are to "Embrace" the "Natural-Order" of things and that is "Spirituality".

There are many forms of self-distruction...such as bad food, bad clothing, and bad shelter, bad music, drug abuse and all other abuses that have become the anti-culture of "Death" for the lost Afrikans in Amerikkka !!

Anything else is un-natural and "Man-Made" hence...War, Hate, Dis-Trust, Deception, Lies, Anger, Dis-Loyalty, Dis-Harmony and "Race-ism" that only, only, only leads to Death with out knowing who self is...hence life that is wasted no matter how devoted to any man made (Self-Distruction) "Religions"...Un-Natural is what it is...Nothing but Foolishness to be distroyed in time as the Earth rids it self of any Un-Natural-States of Being-s. Embrace Your Black Self First!!!

African proverb: "Man (Woman) Know Your Self".

Ase`

To know self is to love self...to know self allows you to know others as well. The more you know your self...the more you automaticly know others.

Ase~O :bowdonw::bowdown::bowdown:

Embrace Your Black Self First!!!

"First things First"

For M.E., until this step is COMPLETE....then all else for M.E. is irrevalant. Currently, my hands are otherwise occupied with this....Embracing ME/WE. While it may be that at some point there is some usefulness in embracing others..its just that...."at some other point" in time. Right now..my focus and energies is on RE~connecting "Thee" to M.E. in support of the Afreekan WE.
Thank you for BE~ing here with US Moorfius:hearts2:

Hotep

Before we can do any thing that matters at all, "We must embrace the self". And in order to embrace your-self...you must "Know thy Self". Anything else is a continued waste of time as we have fallen into a un-natural (negro-slave-mentality) self and ignorantly, foolishly don't know who self is today.
To know self is to love self...to know self allows you to know others as well. The more you know your self...the more you automaticly know others.
Weakness and un-development of the "Spirit-Soul" is the "Root" cause for the condition of abject hate, dis-trust and self-distruction of the ignorant and foolish un-natural self as we (Afrikans in Amerikkka) have become.

Every thing with out exception in the "Universe" has its place and everything with out exception that gets out of place is "Distroyed" by its "Own-Self-Distruction". When the "Minds" of Men and Women become so un-natural as in the state of "Negrodom"...it must be distroyed as we can see the evidence of this self distruction take-ing place today right in front of our eyes.
We look up in the heavens and claim that we are born under this or that planet or star...I am a vergo, Capricorn, Leo etc...we say, but if this is true, then how much more do you think the influence of the "Earth" is on our lives? The "Earth" has more of an effect on us than any other planet or star except the "Sun" (RA) it self...Think!!

The Earth is as alive or even more so than you think you are. The Earths "Energies" that effect every thing we do in "Life or (decomposition of the body) Death". If any one comes to think in a un-natural state...then the Earth sees that person as a enemy or somthing that must be distroyed...so that un-natural thinker with out thinking is forced by the Earths Energies to "Self-Distruct"!!! Ask yourself...Why are those people we know or don't know...soo driven and determined to "Enjoy with glee the Self-Distruction they are in?? All self distruction is self-inflicted!!

Hate is invisible! Love is invisible! Thoughts are invisible! And so are those who allow them self for what ever the reasons will become use-less and with out purpose in the "Natural-Order-of-Things"...hence..."Self-Distruction" along with being in the wrong place at the wrong time as it is ordained by "Nature".
We are to "Embrace" the "Natural-Order" of things and that is "Spirituality".

There are many forms of self-distruction...such as bad food, bad clothing, and bad shelter, bad music, drug abuse and all other abuses that have become the anti-culture of "Death" for the lost Afrikans in Amerikkka !!

Anything else is un-natural and "Man-Made" hence...War, Hate, Dis-Trust, Deception, Lies, Anger, Dis-Loyalty, Dis-Harmony and "Race-ism" that only, only, only leads to Death with out knowing who self is...hence life that is wasted no matter how devoted to any man made (Self-Distruction) "Religions"...Un-Natural is what it is...Nothing but Foolishness to be distroyed in time as the Earth rids it self of any Un-Natural-States of Being-s. Embrace Your Black Self First!!!

African proverb: "Man (Woman) Know Your Self".

Ase`


Hotep Bro Moorfius. These are words of wisdom.

Good to read you again!

I am in alignment (Aggreeance) with what is stated on Pg 7, 3rd Par, of the T.O.L.M: " Although reading this book can do a great deal to improve your life , even if you were to read it several times, you can achieve no more than 10% of what it can do for you. (skipping) Because of the interdependence between the concepts dealt with in the book (The awareness a diviner should have: "emphasis mines") many concepts will not be understood until the entire book is read. Finally, a true and indepth understanding of the principles taught will not be achieved, until the principles are put into practice" *Nike*

Utchau Metut (Pg 217 & 218 of Metu Neter)
(arriving at a conclusion) Example: Do I embrace White people?

The question itself is brimming with its own answer = Exclusively/especially for the querant.

The Utchau Metut or "Weighing of the Words" deals with the evaluation of concepts, ideas, beliefs, behavioral shaping factors, and spiritual practices. Someone who is versed in citing scripture is following this process through a *8th and 9th* sphere approach. What separates the foregoing process from what is given in the Metu Neter are the implications of the complementary /opposing arrangment of the Paut Neteru and what/who man/woman are in regards to it. The practical application/process is ACTUALLY the "Coming Forth". If someone fundamentally believes an entity, greater than themselves, "is Coming" yet incline towards a method/religion that marginally addresses the inherent faculties that will allow them to "Come Forth," as that entity that is "Greater than Themselves," then what/who the hell are they truly waiting for ...cause it aint comin....and if it did, via traditional bias, they have estranged themselves from it.

Pg 217: The arrival at a conclusion or judgement without going through a thinking process, that is, through direct perception of the reality itself instead of manipulating the symbols representing the reality is called wisdom.
(2nd sphere)

The arrival of a conclusion or judgement through the manipulation of symbols embodying abstract analogies (ie synthesis) (4th sphere)

The arrival at a conclusion or judgement through induction , deduction and inference is called syllogistic logic (8th sphere)

Depending on what modality of spirit (Breath) I am in will determine the utility of even posing the question itself.

Help me overstand what a proficiency in the application of Metu Neter enables me to DO to change my surroundings
if you really want the answer to this question, gain the proficiency and find out for yourself.

:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

who let coger into this thread?

who let coger into this thread?


I thought it was a open Forum! My Bag or Bad or whathaveyou!

QUESTION:

Can a dead man transfer his identity away from the person to the indwelling Divinity?
I like the way that Jesus refers to dead people in the bible as being asleep [St. John chapter 11]. When you are asleep, and having a dream -- let us say you are dreaming that you are a bird --- did you transfer your identity when you died ? No. Asleep or awake, your identity never changed. The only thing that changed was sphere 10's [the body] and sphere 9's [the intellect] perception of who you are.

The Metu Neter [Volume I, page 83] correctly notes that we are born into this world with only sphere 10 and sphere 9 [learning faculties, intellect, mind] being awake. Where are the other nine spheres? Strictly speaking, our nature is already, always, sphere 1 [Ausar]. There is just this one big problem. We do not know this because we do not know self. The purpose of the Metu Neter is to lead us back to the knowledge of who we are -- to wake us up so that we realize that I AM God.

Christiains start thinking you are some kind of anti-Christ when they hear you talk like this. But, the Truth is that the bible records Jesus making the exact same point. The brother even backed up what he was saying by quoting scripture:

[B]St. John 10:34
"Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?"

QUESTION: Can the Indwelling Divinity which is Ausar shine through a dead body?

[b]QUESTION:

If the body is dead because its owner was shot and killed because he tried to lecture a home invader instead of kung-fuing the hell out of him, will God's light shine through it [I]anyway, because his intentions were good?
The Metu Neter correctly teaches that God --- let's call It Atum-Ra for now ---- is unlimited. What would be the point of being omnipotent, omniscient, and omnipresent if your powers had to be contained, limited, by a frail, temporary, mortal body of flesh?

If someone broke into my apartment right now, and shot me dead in my chair, my identity would not cease to exist. My body would "die", maybe. The coroner would perhaps pronounce me brain "dead". But, my identity woud remain. There would be no need for my identity to be transfered anywhere because it was never limited within the confines of my 5'8" frame anyway. It IS the indwelling Divinity. This is what Jesus meant when he said "I and my Father are one". This is what he meant when he said "the Kingdom of God is within you".

And while you're on the way to becoming Ausar, be sure to take some time out from your busy schedule to kick some mass.
"The Ausar Man's ability to unify the world cannot manifest itself in a spirit whose equilibirium can be disturbed (made unhappy) by the extremes of evil to which some men can go. Similarly, wisdom cannot manifest itself in a spirit whose equilibrium can be disturbed." - Metu Neter - Volume II - p. 120.

How To Embrace Your Enemy

You Are Not Your Body

RAUN consistently stresses in his two volume set, and in "MAAT - The 11 Laws of God", that the objective of each of the eleven steps is "to transfer the identity away from the person to the indwelling Divinity". A phrase such as "maintain ones physical integrity" runs the great risk of leading you back to the flawed perception that I am the body, rather than that I am the indwelling Divinity which is Ausar.

Greetings, I am Khem kefaAb MenNefer...pleased to meet your person. (And LOVE Self):sand:

Question: Taking this clumsy language into consideration in the context of WHAT IS that WE ARE, in what way does the "Bolded" phrase lead (Apuat/Anpu) in and of itself? Yes...I agree..it is a truism but its function is contingent upon the the way in which the individual has contextualized it. The error, (If you would allow my person) was the assumption that the individual stating it was not aware of the interdependency of his statement in regards to the Paut Neteru.

Maintaining ones physical integrity could have meant an adherence to the issues surrounding Geb in relation to Ausar/Amen.

Pg 90 (Metu Neter): The 5th Sphere (Herukhuti) is the faculty through which man is able to intuitively understand and apply the correct application of the principles of justice. [I] It is essentially based on the individuals capacity to separate his self from his person, thus making it possible to invoke upon his person the punishments, constraints and regulations that He would place on others.

The Geb Stage (The cultivation and adherence of the cycles of Ra)
is a wholistically important stage and if someone is trying to adulturate it, for Mike knows what, they have become the personification of the Sebau that seeks to corrupt (sabotage my Groove) and they will get whatever I have at the moment :bam: (If i have previously studied Kungfu or other tactical methods to carry out, while having a cool head as well, then that would be a plus for having prepared for ones ignorance in such a situation)

Don't let me have the strap :tongue:

I thought it was a open Forum! My Bag or Bad or whathaveyou!



U R 100% correct. Everyone who can benefit from this dialog should be and feel invited.

We all are 1.

So a more be-fitting title should read

Do we embrace Ourselves

Let's deal in real

Peace be with us

Greetings, I am Khem kefaAb MenNefer...pleased to meet your person. (And LOVE Self):sand:
And, I you.

Question: Taking this clumsy language into consideration in the context of WHAT IS that WE ARE, in what way does the "Bolded" phrase lead (Apuat/Anpu) in and of itself? Yes...I agree..it is a truism but its function is contingent upon the the way in which the individual has contextualized it. The error, (If you would allow my person) was the assumption that the individual stating it was not aware of the interdependency of his statement in regards to the Paut Neteru.
I agree that it is impossible to fully communicate esoteric concepts via the English language.

Isn't it wonderful how we are being led in this discussion, from spheres 10 and 9 to 8? Before, I spoke of Geb [10] and Auset [9]. And, now, as if on que, you lead the discussion to Apuat and Anpu, which is as perfect a seque as I could have hoped for to flow up to the next sphere.

Sphere 8 --- Sebek --- the verbal expressive faculties. If I am not the body [sphere 10], if I am not what is perceived by the learning faculties of my mind [sphere 9], than, perhaps, we must concede that it is impossible that the I who is I can be verbally expressed [sphere 8]?

We know that the One who is symbolized by Amen [sphere 0] is beyond verbal expression, hence Kamau referred to It as The Hidden. At best, we can only describe It's atttributes --- its neters [spheres 1- 10]. And, as above, so below. As with Amen, so with man.

Following that train of thought, assuming we can accept that man's highest/true nature is Ausar [sphere 1], must we not also concede that, as with our Father, man's true identity/nature is also Hidden, beyond verbal expression?

There are these two searing questions that Jesus asked his disciples in the 16th chapter of Matthew:

"Whom do men say that I the Son of man am?
But whom say ye that I am?

Peter's reply was that Jesus was the Christ, the Son of the living God. Keeping that in mind, I turn to the 14th verse of the 3rd chapter of the last book in the bible and it is as if the Sage Tehuti, and not St. John the Divine, wrote the book of Revelations because there, in red letters, meaning Jesus said it, I read:

"These things saith the Amen..."

Jesus understands that he is the Amen --- just as Lord Krishna understands that Atman is Brahman --- just as RAUN understands that the true nature of man, is Ausar.

Now, in this day, as the errors of Constantine are being erased one by one, we can begin to, finally, understand the hidden meaning of:

Phillipians 2:5-6
"Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:"

Therein lies the ground beneath all the wisdom of the Metu Neter, the Bhagavad Gita, and the teachings of Jesus.

The challenge, for each of us, is to ascend from the verbal expression of this Truth --- which _sounds_ likes nonsense to Sahu man [spheres 7,8,9] --- to the knowledge of Self [sphere 1] which must be _intuited_ [sphere 2], not read [spheres 9], or heard [8].

And, I you.


I agree that it is impossible to fully communicate esoteric concepts via the English language.

Isn't it wonderful how we are being led in this discussion, from spheres 10 and 9 to 8? Before, I spoke of Geb [10] and Auset [9]. And, now, as if on que, you lead the discussion to Apuat and Anpu, which is as perfect a seque as I could have hoped for to flow up to the next sphere.

Sphere 8 --- Sebek --- the verbal expressive faculties. If I am not the body [sphere 10], if I am not what is perceived by the learning faculties of my mind [sphere 9], than, perhaps, we must concede that it is impossible that the I who is I can be verbally expressed [sphere 8]?

We know that the One who is symbolized by Amen [sphere 0] is beyond verbal expression, hence Kamau referred to It as The Hidden. At best, we can only describe It's atttributes --- its neters [spheres 1- 10]. And, as above, so below. As with Amen, so with man.

Following that train of thought, assuming we can accept that man's highest/true nature is Ausar [sphere 1], must we not also concede that, as with our Father, man's true identity/nature is also Hidden, beyond verbal expression?

There are these two searing questions that Jesus asked his disciples in the 16th chapter of Matthew:

"Whom do men say that I the Son of man am?
But whom say ye that I am?

Peter's reply was that Jesus was the Christ, the Son of the living God. Keeping that in mind, I turn to the 14th verse of the 3rd chapter of the last book in the bible and it is as if the Sage Tehuti, and not St. John the Divine, wrote the book of Revelations because there, in red letters, meaning Jesus said it, I read:

"These things saith the Amen..."

Jesus understands that he is the Amen --- just as Lord Krishna understands that Atman is Brahman --- just as RAUN understands that the true nature of man, is Ausar.

Now, in this day, as the errors of Constantine are being erased one by one, we can begin to, finally, understand the hidden meaning of:

Phillipians 2:5-6
"Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:"

Therein lies the ground beneath all the wisdom of the Metu Neter, the Bhagavad Gita, and the teachings of Jesus.

The challenge, for each of us, is to ascend from the verbal expression of this Truth --- which _sounds_ likes nonsense to Sahu man [spheres 7,8,9] --- to the knowledge of Self [sphere 1] which must be _intuited_ [sphere 2], not read [spheres 9], or heard [8].

This is all irrefutable (From my frame of reference)

My (seeming) sway of focus is inspired by the 7 divisions of the spirit and although our intrinsic essence is no-thing in particular, and an unassailable inner peace, I also realize *In relation* to Amen that I projected myself into a differentiated hologram of myself for a reason (Illusory as it may be). The Erpau Neter is the kingdom of God and an inextricable part of what/who I am. It is the incubating aspect of myself in relation to the limited or time constrained aspect of myself (I am Qualitatively and not Quantatatively Neter) Heru of the double horizon. There are rules that govern this stupendous logical engine that parodoxically serve as a "Logical proving grounds" for the assertion, ANUK AUSAR! Taking the lower attributes of the Paut neteru in consideration (which may appear to be opposing the upper) tempers my approach to understanding the meaning of *Indivi-Dual* which, as you stated, requires me to "Measure the Dual"; Tehu-Ti.

TuaU for our complementary and yet opposing discussion. This is one of the real reasons I gravitated towards RUNA works (It opened the way) because it *facilitated* my person into the true meaning of the sesh metut: Sma Taui.

:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

who let coger into this thread?
I thought it was a open Forum! My Bag or Bad or whathaveyou!

U R 100% correct. Everyone who can benefit from this dialog should be and feel invited.

We all are 1.

So a more be-fitting title should read

Do we embrace Ourselves

Let's deal in real

Peace be with us

:SuN049:

it was a joke on my part. no need to get upset. ha, ha, ha. this thread is a discussion of the metu neter and the application of it to the black situation.
you may want to read the text if you have not already.

U R 100% correct. Everyone who can benefit from this dialog should be and feel invited.

We all are 1.

So a more be-fitting title should read

Do we embrace Ourselves

Let's deal in real

Peace be with us

I second that emotion. :D

"I don't want to get too far off on a tangent, but i'm speaking specifically with regards to race. To deal with race, these spiritual systems have to be interpreted and applied as people see fit.

"They don't inherently provide specific guidelines. Metu Neter doesn't appear to be any different in this regard."
While it is true that Metu Neter doesn't scream "the white man is the devil," no claim has ever been made that this is within its scope and purpose. That said, once you begin to grasp the material in vols 1 & 2 and look at how sharply it contrasts with the madness that europeans and a-rabs have foisted upon the world the past 1500 years, it will become very clear who and what the "enemy" is, though you may not like what you discover about how profoundly your enemy and oppressor influences your thinking and behavior.
"Sure. And in the 1900's a group of caucasian evangelicals used the bible to justify terroristic killings of black and brown people in the american south.

"Their interpretations were imposed upon the text just as Nat imposed his and radical arabs impose theirs upon the Quran.

"Since different groups can take the exact same text and draw out different practical applications of it according to their political aims.....it stands to reason the text itself is ambiguous on these matters...and the thing that matters is how a group is choosing to practically implement the teachings."

In the first place, that doesn't speak to your original contention, which is that these religions contain nothing in them that gave instructions on whether it's okay to fight. I'm saying that they do. Secondly, the command in the Quran (Surah 9:4) to "slay the idolaters wherever ye find them, and take them (captive), and besiege them, and prepare for them each ambush" can hardly be called "ambiguous." In any case, whether the texts are ambiguous or not, they contain enough grist for the mill of both aggressors and would be victims.

In the same vein, vol 1, Chapter 9 of Metu Neter gives a summary of how the state of the world came to be what it is . On pages 126-127, after Set (the manifestation of evil) kills Ausar (the manifestation of good) thru deceit and trickery, we learn that:

"With Ausar out of the way, Set usurped the Kingship and proceeded to terrorize the world. He created the first empire--rule of foreign power over others -- and replaced the system of maintaining social order through moral cultivation with a policing system.... he separated God from nature, religion from the state, education, separated God from nature, from Man, separated spirit from physical matter, the divine from the mundane-in short, he alienated Man from God, the world and himself...

"Everyone, including deities, feared him. He was invincible in war and violence, which were his chief means of settling differences, as well as the objects of his worship. [emphasis mine ] No one opposed him. Many even basked in the material pleasures with which he bought them off..." [sounds a lot like today's rappers, negro conservatives and other assorted sellouts!!]

In the same chapter, historical parallels are drawn. From page 131 a partial summary states that:

"Ausar is killed by Set who usurps the Kingdom: This corresponds to the period since the coming of the Eurasian to Western Asia (Mesopotamia), India, Africa, the Mediterranean, and later to the rest of the southern and western hemispheres. The conquerors reinterpret the religious teachings and cultural elements of the ancient civilizations in light of their level of understanding, biases, interestes, etc. Motivation of human behavior is no longer through moral cultivation, but through fear and violence. Spiritual values are replaced by crass materialism. We know the story well." [emphasis added]

If that doesn't describe the white man and his demonic rule to a tee, I don't know what does. And that's just a small sample of what is interspersed throughout both volumes. Which is why I wonder, at the end of the day, is AAS practically implementing metu neter any differently than southern baptists implement the bible?

Looking at the "mission statement" (so to speak) of the AAS which describes it as "...an international Pan-African religious organization that has been providing the African community with spiritual education and a social vehicle to express the values learned" then the answer is yes.
Maybe AAS defines its boundaries as I do. But, this was an either / or.
And I'm saying that it's neither/nor.

"If AAS defines its boundaries as including black people, as I do, then it is in the exact same boat of failing to defend said black people as I'm in, and as black christians or muslims are."

The AAS is not a police or military organization and has never claimed to be such. I used the Herukhuti example to show that, contrary to your previous assertion, one need not look outside Metu Neter for guidance on whether to defend oneself against an attack. Your latest statement introduces an entirely new criticism, namely that the AAS is not the police. FYI, Herukhuti also governs firefighters, but that doesn't mean that you should expect a fire truck with the AAS logo on it to roll up to your house should it catch on fire. In the event of such an unfortunate occurence, I strongly suggest you call 911.

"With respect to the exercisement of justice and/or self-defense, the practical application of spiritual science by the AAS does not result in any different outcome than the practical application of spiritual science by pentacostals and presbyterians."
Do you have any statistics on how Pentecostals, Presbyterians and Ausarians respond to attacks against their persons or are you just assuming that the outcomes are no different?

"Black people are assaulted routinely without a response or a defense to prevent further assaults."
Once again you're shifting your criticism from there being nothing in Metu Neter which allows one to defend oneself to criticizing the AAS for not being what it never claimed to be: a police department or a standing army. Let's play fair, okay?
...UNLESS the boundaries of AAS only includes AAS members, then Herukhuti is MIA. And again, you're shifting your criticism from there's nothing in Metu Neter that allows for self defense to the AAS is not the cop on the beat. What will the next criticism be, that the AAS doesn't help little old ladies across the street?
(I'm just assuming if an AAS member is unjustly hemmed up by the po po AAS would respond in some manner). Yes. Hire a lawyer (the Sebek approach, Sphere 8).

As you so forcefully mentioned, we (black people) are getting b-slapped up and down the street while Herukhuti is in the text (theory) but nowhere to be found on the street (practical application).
Yet again you shift your argument from Metu Neter doesn't provide for self defense to criticizing the AAS for not being the po-po or the army.

Okay. That's promising. But what is the something that we should be doing instead of nothing.
Defending ourselves by any means necessary. Malcolm already told us that long before there was an AAS or Metu Neter. It just so happens that Herukhuti is the deity which governs this activity. Of course, Malcolm had no way of knowing that, but the point is the knowledge is there and doesn't require an army of Ausarians to implement; just a few good men.
And is that something derived from the spiritual science or is it merely what we find most expedient to implement given our current political situation. From spiritual science.

This is where embracing white,red, yellow or any other people for tactical/strategic reasons comes into question....it seems mundane and outside the scope of the spiritual science. Quite the contrary. Once you understand the system fully, you'll see that for each area of people activity there's at least one deity within the realm of spiritual science that governs it. For example, one could use the Sebekian (clever, cunning, 8th sphere) approach to "embracing" white people for economic purposes only, which is not an embrace in the sappy, sentimental sense, but a calculated move as part of a larger scheme to advance ones own agenda. I personally don't advocate that approach, but that's exactly what they do to us. The problem is we get misty and mistake such false embraces for genuine affection, let our defenses down, and get burned time after time. That's a common thing that happens between millionaire negro entertainers & athletes and predatory white women & men (e.g., with Venus & Serena).
Help me overstand what a proficiency in the application of Metu Neter enables me to DO to change my surroundings, because I don't see so-called white people as my biggest problem. The short answer is that when used as directed, it will help you with the process of remaking your mind and shifting your paradigm in a profound and radical way. This is an absolute prerequisite for concerned individuals to effect change within their surroundings. Yeah, I know what's coming next: "well how come the AAS ain't ___________ [fill in the blank]."

when used as directed, it will help you with the process of remaking your mind and shifting your paradigm in a profound and radical way.
:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

I like the way that Jesus refers to dead people in the bible as being asleep [St. John chapter 11]. When you are asleep, and having a dream -- let us say you are dreaming that you are a bird --- did you transfer your identity when you died ? No. Asleep or awake, your identity never changed. The only thing that changed was sphere 10's [the body] and sphere 9's [the intellect] perception of who you are.

The Metu Neter [Volume I, page 83] correctly notes that we are born into this world with only sphere 10 [body] and sphere 9 [learning faculties, intellect, mind] being awake. Where are the other nine spheres? Strictly speaking, our nature is already, always, sphere 1 [Ausar]. There is just this one big problem. We do not know this because we do not know self. The purpose of the Metu Neter is to lead us back to the knowledge of who we are -- to wake us up so that we realize that I AM God.
Great!! Now answer the question: Can a dead man --one whose cold, lifeless body is lying in a casket 6 feet under-- transfer his identity away from the person to the Indwelling Divinity, yes or no?

The Metu Neter correctly teaches that God --- let's call It Atum-Ra for now ---- is unlimited. What would be the point of being omnipotent, omniscient, and omnipresent if your powers had to be contained, limited, by a frail, temporary, mortal body of flesh?
You're confusing categories here. I didn't ask about Atum-Ra, I asked about Ausar (The Indwelling Divinity) which, as used in this context, is a dormant faculty in humans that is awakened by a methodical and stepwise process known as Initiation. Just as dead men tell no tales (because they have no life force), neither do they undergo Initiation, because, well, THEY HAVE NO LIFE FORCE to get their butts out of the casket to do the necessary work of resurrecting the Indwelling Divinity. The equation is simple: No Life Force, no Initiation. No Initiation, no Resurrection of the Indwelling Divinity that is Ausar. That's why if ya wanna play in this game for the long haul, ya gotta be prepared to kick some mass if some fool steps to you.

QUESTION: Why do you suppose there's material in vols 1 & 2 about the need for proper diet, exercise, rest and so forth, all of which involve taking care of the-- *gasp* -- BODY?

ANSWER: Because if you don't take proper care of the BODY, then with respect to resurrecting the Indwelling Divinity that is Ausar, you'll be going nowhere, and you'll get there in a hurry.
If someone broke into my apartment right now, and shot me dead in my chair, my identity would not cease to exist. My body would "die", maybe.
If someone shot you DEAD, I don't know about your identity, but I guarantee you that your body would die, DEFINITELY.
The coroner would perhaps pronounce me brain "dead".
[A note to myself: "Don't even [I]think about going there, Sami!!"]
But, my identity woud remain. There would be no need for my identity to be transfered anywhere because it was never limited within the confines of my 5'8" frame anyway. It IS the indwelling Divinity. This is what Jesus meant when he said "I and my Father are one". This is what he meant when he said "the Kingdom of God is within you".
So would the Indwelling Divinity which is Ausar be able to shine through your dead body after the coroner pronounced you brain "dead?" If your answer is 'yes', then how would we know this with you buried 6 feet under with no Life Force?
"The Ausar Man's ability to unify the world cannot manifest itself in a spirit whose equilibirium can be disturbed (made unhappy) by the extremes of evil to which some men can go. Similarly, wisdom cannot manifest itself in a spirit whose equilibrium can be disturbed." - Metu Neter - Volume II - p. 120.
Oh, so there IS something that Atum-Ra cannot do!! Whatever happened to the omnipotence you spoke about earlier? See what happens when you confuse categories?

U R 100% correct. Everyone who can benefit from this dialog should be and feel invited.

We all are 1.

So a more be-fitting title should read

Do we embrace Ourselves

Let's deal in real

Peace be with us


hiphopolx,

Thanks a lot, I probably will make a comment or two from time to time; however, istlota and Sami RaMaati are meting out critical interpretive dialogue that we should pay strict attention to.

:SuN049:

it was a joke on my part. no need to get upset. ha, ha, ha. this thread is a discussion of the metu neter and the application of it to the black situation.
you may want to read the text if you have not already.


jamesfrmphilly,

Please understand that I knew exactly what you meant by the statement, “who let coger into this thread?” It was very funny to me and I really had a good laugh behind that, for a change! Perhaps I should have indicated such with a smiley sign or something in my reply, but I truly understood your joke…..Peace

While it is true that Metu Neter doesn't scream "the white man is the devil," no claim has ever been made that this is within its scope and purpose. That said, once you begin to grasp the material in vols 1 & 2 and look at how sharply it contrasts with the madness that europeans and a-rabs have foisted upon the world the past 1500 years, it will become very clear who and what the "enemy" is, though you may not like what you discover about how profoundly your enemy and oppressor influences your thinking and behavior.

....

The short answer is that when used as directed, it will help you with the process of remaking your mind and shifting your paradigm in a profound and radical way. This is an absolute prerequisite for concerned individuals to effect change within their surroundings. Yeah, I know what's coming next: "well how come the AAS ain't ___________ [fill in the blank]."


Couple things Brother SamiRamaati:


1) I never said Metu Neter doesn't allow for one to defend oneself, I said nothing in the Metu Neter speaks to what our people should be doing practically with regard to race.

This was not a criticism, but an observation.

If you recall I also implied that IF the Metu Neter weren't of sufficient depth to be applied beyond race it would have little legitimacy as a spiritual text.

My main point is that from a practical perspective, AAS don't appear to implement any different posture with respect to dealing with race than missionary baptists.

When you say the AAS response to its members being attacked by white police is to call a lawyer, despite having knowledge of Herukhuti's faculties, well...you pretty much make my point.

One could say that represents regression, for it was an application of spiritual science from black christians that sustained our ancestors to move beyond calling lawyers in the 50's and 60's and to find more direct means of seeking justice.

2) You think I'm criticizing AAS or Metu Neter. I am not and that is not my intent.

I'm here seeking to learn and exchange ideas.

I'm only mentioning what the AAS does or doesn't do from a perspective of comparative syncretism, not one of finding fault.

What am I saying? I don't (yet) see where the practical application of the Metu Neter results in any difference in real outcomes from our application of the new testament, the koran, the gita or anything else black folks are using as spiritual system.

As I've said, I want to believe otherwise.

I want to experience the Metu Neter enabling me to bring forth divine intelligence on a level previously inaccessible, a level which if all black people were privy to, would produce an inevitable improvement in our condition.

But what's happening is the more I study and experience, the more the faith tradition I grew up in is confirmed...if not vindicated.

I had intuited the truths in Istlota's posts long before I had ever heard of RUNA or Metu Neter. So how different really is Ausarian religion from the true teachings of Jesus (Yahshua)?

Again, I'm not trying to degrade the system, I'm asking questions and making observations as I go through my process of experiencing it.

What am I saying? I don't (yet) see where the practical application of the Metu Neter results in any difference in real outcomes from our application of the new testament, the koran, the gita or anything else black folks are using as spiritual system.

I know you are primarily chopping it up with Bro Sami Ra Maati but I had to interject.

I hope you cont. diligently with your practical application ...We can do some T.O.L.M tandems if you want to (I'm on one now on this day of Sebek going into Het -Heru. I will intentionally take my journaling and contemplations from last Lunar cycle into trance (Breathing , scents, Music) and then use my next day (Heru Nefer!) as my training ground to gather more data about how my person has internalized. I will also take note of symbols (omens) given to me through my (so called) Dreams. ( These are just tip of the ice berg issues that take into consideration {The Direct invocation} aspects {Neteru} of myself that I would not normally consider in scriptural analysis...Let alone the cultivation of the logic, and hence behavior, stemming from the FACT that I AM Ausar (The Supreme Being). I would NEVER have acknowledged that in any of the the aformentioned secular religions. Plus Grandmoms and moms and the church would have kicked my (Mass).

As I've said, I want to believe otherwise.

It took me some years (on and off) and some good (segregated Housing) time in the joint but YES! I am officially crazy ...:em2300:

I want to experience the Metu Neter enabling me to bring forth divine intelligence on a level previously inaccessible, a level which if all black people were privy to, would produce an inevitable improvement in our condition.

Ritual invocation and channeling the shepsu while journaling....Watching symbols and coincidences play out a drama before your eyes that seem to jump right off of the Oracle cards is a sobering prelude to what it may feel like to just "BE"...refining the telepathic thing with my wife (or at least feeling her energy before it is given her own authentic arrangement of form; In-Formation).

But what's happening is the more I study and experience, the more the faith tradition I grew up in is confirmed...if not vindicated. I realized this too and I was able to get some reconciliation for all those times I felt like i was not connected in church...I have a new appreciation for Gospel music and can speak in a coded sense with my Moms ...until she asks me to acknowledge who my Lord and Savior is and I can't find myself Lying (Church/Religion has its political agenda as well that most monotheist can't discern from their intimate faith)...Now she says that "The Devil Knows the Bible too" ...mannnn..Me and moms used to be close ....but I can say the same thing for my Per-son ...or at least what I thought my person was.

Again, I'm not trying to degrade the system, I'm asking questions and making observations as I go through my process of experiencing it.

I realize I'm a bit cryptic at times:) but pattern recognition is a mutha ...and It will all make sense eventually .....I suppose. Holla at Me

I don't see where the practical application of the Metu Neter results in any difference in real outcomes from our application of the new testament, the koran, the gita or anything else black folks are using as spiritual system.
what you see or do not see has as much to do with the condition of your eyes as it does with the metu neter.

But what's happening is the more I study and experience, the more the faith tradition I grew up in is confirmed...if not vindicated
could it be that this is what you were seeing all along?

Couple things Brother SamiRamaati:


1) I never said Metu Neter doesn't allow for one to defend oneself, I said nothing in the Metu Neter speaks to what our people should be doing practically with regard to race.

This was not a criticism, but an observation.

If you recall I also implied that IF the Metu Neter weren't of sufficient depth to be applied beyond race it would have little legitimacy as a spiritual text.

My main point is that from a practical perspective, AAS don't appear to implement any different posture with respect to dealing with race than missionary baptists.

When you say the AAS response to its members being attacked by white police is to call a lawyer, despite having knowledge of Herukhuti's faculties, well...you pretty much make my point.

One could say that represents regression, for it was an application of spiritual science from black christians that sustained our ancestors to move beyond calling lawyers in the 50's and 60's and to find more direct means of seeking justice.

2) You think I'm criticizing AAS or Metu Neter. I am not and that is not my intent.

I'm here seeking to learn and exchange ideas.

I'm only mentioning what the AAS does or doesn't do from a perspective of comparative syncretism, not one of finding fault.

What am I saying? I don't (yet) see where the practical application of the Metu Neter results in any difference in real outcomes from our application of the new testament, the koran, the gita or anything else black folks are using as spiritual system.

As I've said, I want to believe otherwise.

I want to experience the Metu Neter enabling me to bring forth divine intelligence on a level previously inaccessible, a level which if all black people were privy to, would produce an inevitable improvement in our condition.

But what's happening is the more I study and experience, the more the faith tradition I grew up in is confirmed...if not vindicated.

I had intuited the truths in Istlota's posts long before I had ever heard of RUNA or Metu Neter. So how different really is Ausarian religion from the true teachings of Jesus (Yahshua)?

Again, I'm not trying to degrade the system, I'm asking questions and making observations as I go through my process of experiencing it.



Hotep kemetkind,


There are differences between the khemtic religious systems and the systems created by the abrahamic faiths. As well as the current duplications of the original trinities. Practical implementation is a very subjective ideation. For practical is very subjective term within a very subjective lanquaqe. Wasting time debating rhetoric practicality is nonsenical. All systems have titles ,characters, etc to relay thought recognition. WE are now attempting to gather information conclusions facts based upon factual and theorical submissions by our ancestors orginating out of what is now called afruka kemet etc. Before digesting the metu neter , an introduction and digestion of the concept of the Neteru(physical) and (mental is suggested). This system has a dual nature and representives that investigate the physical mental emotional make up of our nameless atomically gathered forms. For i now see practical application found throughout both volumes. MY personal favorite is the emblem the mighty Menefer uses. This battel between heru and set in the chest plate in our so lar plexus is magnificent. I'am going to save it's meaning for you to dis or un cover for yourself. I use it as much as i can for every situation i encounter. when i am focused enough to remember.

I know you are primarily chopping it up with Bro Sami Ra Maati but I had to interject.

I hope you cont. diligently with your practical application ...We can do some T.O.L.M tandems if you want to (I'm on one now on this day of Sebek going into Het -Heru. I will intentionally take my journaling and contemplations from last Lunar cycle into trance (Breathing , scents, Music) and then use my next day (Heru Nefer!) as my training ground to gather more data about how my person has internalized. I will also take note of symbols (omens) given to me through my (so called) Dreams. ( These are just tip of the ice berg issues that take into consideration {The Direct invocation} aspects {Neteru} of myself that I would not normally consider in scriptural analysis...Let alone the cultivation of the logic, and hence behavior, stemming from the FACT that I AM Ausar (The Supreme Being). I would NEVER have acknowledged that in any of the the aformentioned secular religions. Plus Grandmoms and moms and the church would have kicked my (Mass).



It took me some years (on and off) and some good (segregated Housing) time in the joint but YES! I am officially crazy ...:em2300:



Ritual invocation and channeling the shepsu while journaling....Watching symbols and coincidences play out a drama before your eyes that seem to jump right off of the Oracle cards is a sobering prelude to what it may feel like to just "BE"...refining the telepathic thing with my wife (or at least feeling her energy before it is given her own authentic arrangement of form; In-Formation).

I realized this too and I was able to get some reconciliation for all those times I felt like i was not connected in church...I have a new appreciation for Gospel music and can speak in a coded sense with my Moms ...until she asks me to acknowledge who my Lord and Savior is and I can't find myself Lying (Church/Religion has its political agenda as well that most monotheist can't discern from their intimate faith)...Now she says that "The Devil Knows the Bible too" ...mannnn..Me and moms used to be close ....but I can say the same thing for my Per-son ...or at least what I thought my person was.



I realize I'm a bit cryptic at times:) but pattern recognition is a mutha ...and It will all make sense eventually .....I suppose. Holla at Me

Ase Ase Ase Ase~~~~~~OOOOOOOOOOO
:bowdown::bowdown::bowdown::bowdown::bowdown:

You know Menefer...

I sense I have come to many of these realizations WITHOUT the CARDS!!

I have more to say here and plan to come back, yet, I did not want another moment to pass without acknowledging this....

My Spirit IS Truely ONE with Yours!!!

Bros. MenNefer, jamesfromphilly and emanuelgoodman, your feedback is acknowledged and appreciated and is currently being digested :weights: .

MenNefer I'm going to take you up on that offer. I'll holla at you in a few weeks.

Peace.

Great!! Now answer the question: Can a dead man --- one whose cold, lifeless body is lying in a casket 6 feet under-- transfer his identity away from the person to the Indwelling Divinity, yes or no?
Now, you had to know I would give you more than a yes or no answer, right?

When a woman dies, she leaves behind the flawed perception that she is the cold, lifeless, body she just transistioned from. The question to ask is not whether she could transfer her identity back into that body, but rather why would she even want to now that she has grown wings?

For most who transistion the body, the spiritual force [which is Herukhuti - Sphere 5] that enforces justice arranges for our person to be transferred into yet another body to try, yet again, to get it right this time. This is not something we choose to do on our own. It is automatic based on samskaras [Karma] we have accumulated in our lives as mortals.

Let's take a look at the chart on page 115 on the Metu Neter - Vol II. How is a black man to defeat White Supremacy?


SAHU black man imagines [Sphere 7] what he would like to do to white folks for messing wit a brotha. But, he never gets around to actually doing anything. Dravidian rooted systems would say that SAHU black man has too much tamas and not enough rajas and sattwa.

AB black man takes it to the next level and actually does something, acts, uses force [Sphere 5], to deal with white folks and their evil ways. AB shows great potential. He is not quite there yet, but he is well on his way. Dravidian rooted systems would say AB black man has an excess of rajas. AB black man is still in conflict as far as recognizing that he is God, not an individual. But, he does have a role to play in the Divine Plan, as Paul Kagame did when he took up arms to end the genocide in Rwanda. The ideal solution would have been a non-violent one. But, in the absence of BA men, AB men fill in the gap.

BA/AUSAR man uses spiritual power [Sphere 3] to deal with white folks. He gets that this entire life experience is no more than a blip on the radar screen of eternity and that what happens to you in this life is not as important as how you respond to what happens to you in this life. Dravidian rooted systems woud say BA/AUSAR man has more sattwa than rajas or tamas.
Once a man becomes AB black man, he has to be careful not to crystallize at that level. AB shoud be a transistion from SAHU to BA, not an end goal.

The justice enforcement aspect of Herukhuti is explained in more detail in "Maat- The 11 Laws of God" than in "Metu Neter" vol I or II. I have pondered why this is so. Perhaps, RAUN knew he had to start us out on milk and wait until our teeth grew in before he gave us meat. Hence, he waited a decade after the Metu Neter to publish "Maat - The 11 Laws of God". I guess he knew we would need a LOT of time to get used to the idea that, to grow spiritually, to come into the knowledge that I AM Ausar, at some point in our spiritual evolution, we would have to give up our Westernized addiction to using violence to get what we want in this life.

As Destee members seem to know quite well, RAUN is one _seriously_ deep brotha. Knowing this, I think, we have to conclude that it was not mere coincidence that he assigned the chapter on Herukhuti in "Maat -- The 11 Laws of God" to be chapter 7 - the most divine of numbers.

A few quotes from "MAAT - The 11 Laws of God", chapter 7

"Protection follows automatically with realization of one's divinity."

"In seeking protection in life, we must first clarify what we are seeking protection from. [ISTLOTA: Notice that RAUN said _what_, not _who_]

"If our nature is peace, and adhering to it in the face of adversity yields wisdom and power, then suffering does not by necessity follow the wicked acts that others perpetrate against us. You may find it surprising to know, that some sages and "martyrs" actually put themselves in situations that lead to adversity as a means of increasing their wisdom and power."

i'm butting heads with somebody over at afrochat
she
states that is what the metu neter tells us...

I am sure Jamesfrmphilly's friend did not mean to suggest that we should not fight our enemy

Jamesfrmphilly's friend" is you. i was referring to you and your statements

Ok...I'm just seeking some clarity here.
Based on the above comments, I am no longer sure who is who and who is referring to whom.

Points which ARE clear is that...

1. James started this conversation seeking input from other followers of the Metu Neter's overstanding of a particular doctrine. He was in conversation and disagreement with a FEMALE who suggested that we "embrace our enemy" and that this was supported by the teachings in the Metu Neter.

2. It seems that FEMALE was in fact Istola who then came forward, joined the Community here and shared more of her points and overstanding of the Metu Neter. Again, please refer to the above quotes as this is where my overstanding is based on.

3. When Destee Thanked this poster who became a premimum member she referred to them (Islota) as a Brother and this was based on the facts that no FEMALES have ever come forward being so well versed in the doctrine of the Metu Neter.

4. Kemetkind, who has also been following and involved in this discussion pointed out to Mama D that this person was in fact FEMALE. I noted the conflicting info as well prior to Kemetkind stating it and then added to that post based on the fact that it is usually MALES who speak with authority on a topic and overstood Destee's "honest mistake". As I initially read Islota's comments, my first thought was that this person was a MALE..until the above statements were made.

5. Then, Islota comes forward and states that he is in FACT MALE.....

So now...I'm seeking some clarity. What is the deal:?:

:hearts2:

So now...I'm seeking some clarity
clarity? you want clarity? now you beginning to sound like my first wife.......:SuN011:

clarity? you want clarity? now you beginning to sound like my first wife.......:SuN011:
Man...wtf:?:

maybe YOU "don't need no stinky clarity"...yet...I do.
maybe I "sound" like your first wife...however...I AM NOT...

and btw.....my husband would always say to me..and I agree...

"clarity is a beautiful thang"
so what's your point and what's your beef:?:


:hearts2:

our Westernized addiction to using violence to get what we want in this life.

violence to get what you want is not the same thing as violence to defend yourself.
black people are colonized. we may well have to apply violence in order to get our land back.

Man...wtf:?:

maybe YOU "don't need no stinky clarity"...yet...I do.
maybe I "sound" like your first wife...however...I AM NOT...

and btw.....my husband would always say to me..and I agree...

"clarity is a beautiful thang"
so what's your point and what's your beef:?:


:hearts2:
no beef. no point. i just like to say something silly every once in a while...:em17:

no beef. no point. i just like to say something silly every once in a while...:em17:

LOL.....you gwan STOP playin wit M.E.....man!

yet...then again....read Sistah's FaithBeautiful's poem "My body is a playground" and KNOW....this is the kind of "play" I am interested in.....today!

:hearts2:

violence to get what you want is not the same thing as violence to defend yourself.
black people are colonized. we may well have to apply violence in order to get our land back.

Yep and I agree with this as well.

I also agree that 'violence' is 'violence' is 'violence", AND it DOES SEEM that our land was 'VIOLENTLY" taken...
along with our minds and bodies...

We have tried to RE~gain it using "non-violent" means....and...

it does not seem to BE working. In FACT, I have heard that was indicative of "Insanity" and....in dis here white man's world, dat not a good nor helpful thing.

Therefore, it may BE time to DO something different.

I think Jamesfrmphilly's point regarding separating "violence to get what you want" vs. "violence to defend" are two different things....mayhap... two sides of the same coin:?:

One is an "abuse of power"* by exercising Power "over" someone while the other is simply "defending and protecting" thier 'right' to determine thier own course and therefore exercising thier OWN POWER over themselves.

:hearts2:


* (Wilson, A. 199 pgs. 85-23)

violence to get what you want is not the same thing as violence to defend yourself.
black people are colonized. we may well have to apply violence in order to get our land back.
Maybe. Maybe, some brother will come up with a weapon infinitely more powerful than the ones white folks conquered this world with.

That is what is foretold in Revelations chapter 11. Two fellas put the whole world on lockdown without using guns, bombs, nukes, or any other sort of WMDs. How do they do it? Fire comes out of their mouth and devours their enemies. So, I figure, we must be talkiing about two Ausar black men.

At one point, their enemies get the drop on them and manage to kill them. But, then, these two brothers refuse to stay dead, come back to life, and take out 7000 men with a great earthquake.

Ancient myths abound of men with such powers in the last Satya yuga. But, then, the glaciers melted, white folks learned how to write, rewrote history, and convinced us that such men could not have existed.

Or ....could they?

So now...I'm seeking some clarity. What is the deal:?
The deal is that Jamesfrmphilly and I are two soldiers in the same war fighting against the same enemy. We differ on a couple of points:


The choice of weapons to use in that war.
My occasional outbursts of self-righteousness.

Maybe. Maybe, some brother will come up with a weapon infinitely more powerful than the ones white folks conquered this world with.

That is what is foretold in Revelations chapter 11. Two fellas put the whole world on lockdown without using guns, bombs, nukes, or any other sort of WMDs. How do they do it? Fire comes out of their mouth and devours their enemies. So, I figure, we must be talkiing about two Ausar black men.

At one point, their enemies get the drop on them and manage to kill them. But, then, these two brothers refuse to stay dead, come back to life, and take out 7000 men with a great earthquake.

Ancient myths abound of men with such powers in the last Satya yuga. But, then, the glaciers melted, white folks learned how to write, rewrote history, and convinced us that such men could not have existed.

Or ....could they?
in your vision of the future black state, what will be the place of violence? will there be warriors? men at arms?
how will internal law enforcement issues be handled?

do you not advise the young brothers to study the martial arts?

The deal is that Jamesfrmphilly and I are two soldiers in the same war fighting against the same enemy. We differ on a couple of points:


The choice of weapons to use in that war.
My occasional outbursts of self-righteousness.


Hotep istlota

That part is clear to M.E.
The points which were shady remains so.
Know this...I will NOT RE~main engaged in dialogue to seek the clarity I sought. You and James have RE~sponded in the best way you can and/or are willing too.
I'm making it known loud and clear to you both...somethings I still quite shadowy for M.E. and my queries were not directly addressed.
The tactics you both used to avoid the question is consistent with that which I've experienced in the male gender, so, mayhap indirectly, you have cleared things up.

:hearts2:

Hotep istlota

That part is clear to M.E.
The points which were shady remains so.
Know this...I will NOT RE~main engaged in dialogue to seek the clarity I sought. You and James have RE~sponded in the best way you can and/or are willing too.
I'm making it known loud and clear to you both...somethings I still quite shadowy for M.E. and my queries were not directly addressed.
The tactics you both used to avoid the question is consistent with that which I've experienced in the male gender, so, mayhap indirectly, you have cleared things up.

:hearts2:
when i first had posts with this person they seemed female to me what with the kumbayaya stuff and all. so i called them female.
now they appear as male. it is all good to me.

in your vision of the future black state, what will be the place of violence? will there be warriors? men at arms?
how will internal law enforcement issues be handled?
The Metu Neter teaches that we, being made in the image of Ra, program into existence what we choose [6], imagine [7], think and affirm [8], and sacrifice for [9].

If we choose [6], imagine [7], think and affirm [8], and sacrifice for [9] a future black state that requires violence, warriors, men at arms, and internal law enforcement, that is what we will manifest into existence --- exactly what we have now --- hell.

If we choose [6], imagine [7], think and affirm [8], and sacrifice for [9] a future state, not just for black people, but for all people; where violence, warriors, men at arms, and internal law enforcement are no longer necessary; that is what we will manifest into existence --- heaven.

The law of Herukhuti [5] enforces justice in the most equitable manner possible -- by arranging for each of us to choose [6], imagine [7], think and affirm [8], and sacrifice for [9] ourselves whether we end up in heaven or hell.

The law of Herukhuti [5] enforces justice in the most equitable manner possible -- by arranging for each of us to choose [6], imagine [7], think and affirm [8], and sacrifice for [9] ourselves whether we end up in heaven or hell.


So how does this drama play itself out on the physical plane? What would the logistics look like being that the Mundane reflects the spiritual?

I can see what your saying in an absolute sense but physical reality plays itself out through transformations (Differentiations).

We are the vehicles through which the agency, Herukhuti, is invoked as well. How does the most equitable manner look like in The Ba, Ab, Sahu structure of interpersonal experience? (Sahu being the bulk of the masses). It sounds like you minimize the lower divisions of the Paut Neteru and don't give much to it's reason for even BEING or the laws by which it ebbs and flows. (Maybe you can expound alittle more)

The law of Herukhuti [5] enforces justice in the most equitable manner possible -- by arranging for each of us to choose [6], imagine [7], think and affirm [8], and sacrifice for [9] ourselves whether we end up in heaven or hell.

all our own choice, all our own fault, eh? i did not realize that god was, at heart, a neo con

jamesfrmphilly - all our own choice. all our own fault, eh? i did not realize that god was, at heart, a neo con

Kinda of strange how it always comes back to that conclusion eh James? We are the only group willing to tolerate an argument that directly or indirectly attaches fault to us for our oppression. Cultural flagellation seem to have some sort of psychotropic attraction for us.

Although I honestly admire our propensity for diving deeply into spirituality, including those of a foreign nature, I believe that much like we become pre-occupied with politics at the expense of other agencies of power like economics, a similar situation also obtains in this case. So, is mit our fate to continue to wander this world in pursuit of the elusive dream that we can make it better, make people love us, undo what we have been trying to undo for more than four hundred years, by immersing ourselves in creeds, some which at their origin classified us as devils? Well, maybe I am just too cynical.

I believe that I read someone citing Hindu religious authority as comensurate with their spiritual understanding of where we needed to go. It is interesting to read Runoko Rashidi's exploration of the origins of India and the Hindu Religion. To quote Rashidi, "A Sudra [Black] who intentionally reviles twice-born men [Whites] by criminal abuse, or criminally assaults them with blows, shall be deprived of the limb with which he offends. If he has criminal intercourse with an Aryan woman, his organ shall be cut off, and all his property confiscated. If the woman has a protector, the Sudra shall be executed. If he listens intentionally to a recitation of the Veda [a traditional Hindu religious text], his tongue shall be cut out. If he commits them to memory his body shall be split in half." end quote. Amazingy I have come across many Africans in other forums urging me to accept the authority of this text as a guide for my spiritual growth and fulfillment.

If we could dedicate a fraction of the attention we expend in deciphering the meaning of the formulations that might not have been intended for us anyway, I wonder where we would be interms of freedom and independance. Oh well, maybe we are just addicted to carthartic pursuits that facilitate our predisposition to wax philosophically, rather than the more tedious chores of "nation building".

We are the only group willing to tolerate an argument that directly or indirectly attaches fault to us for our oppression. Cultural flagellation seem to have some sort of psychotropic attraction for us...
:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

Kinda of strange how it always comes back to that conclusion eh James? We are the only group willing to tolerate an argument that directly or indirectly attaches fault to us for our oppression. Cultural flagellation seem to have some sort of psychotropic attraction for us.

Taking respons-ability for ones condition and, hence, emancipation (by any means necessary) does not logically translate to what is implied by "Being at Fault."

I believe that I read someone citing Hindu religious authority as comensurate with their spiritual understanding of where we needed to go. It is interesting to read Runoko Rashidi's exploration of the origins of India and the Hindu Religion. To quote Rashidi, "A Sudra [Black] who intentionally reviles twice-born men [Whites] by criminal abuse, or criminally assaults them with blows, shall be deprived of the limb with which he offends. If he has criminal intercourse with an Aryan woman, his organ shall be cut off, and all his property confiscated. If the woman has a protector, the Sudra shall be executed. If he listens intentionally to a recitation of the Veda [a traditional Hindu religious text], his tongue shall be cut out. If he commits them to memory his body shall be split in half." end quote. Amazingy I have come across many Africans in other forums urging me to accept the authority of this text as a guide for my spiritual growth and fulfillment.

This does not reflect the ancient black spiritual traditions of the Indus kush valley (Dravidians) This sounds like Caste System appartheid racism that the aryans (who arrogated themselves as authors of the vedas) instituted.

Pg. 160 On defeating Evil in the Life of the Individual and in societies *Anuk Ausar*

In the life of the individual, and Freedom fighters,it means that she must fight by means which do not run afoul divine law (Maat). The story shows that such means do not exclude violent:em1500: means.Set will tell you in a second that his God rained fire and brimstone on his enemies, and tell his enemies that they must resist non-violently. Of course , Sahu man who hears, and does not "see" his way through life, falls for these deceptions.

end of story:bazooka: :ghost:

I have a question.

Who on this thread are either members of the Ausar Auset Society or at the very least have studied extensively with the group? I pretty know who will answer in the affirmative.

I'm asking because I see many intellectual discussions regarding the Metu Neter but they are most by people who have merely read the book and maybe applied their own overstanding to the contents. Quite frankly, the Metu Neter is only the tip of the iceberg.

I await responses.

Peace,
Belsidus

Who on this thread are either members of the Ausar Auset Society or at the very least have studied extensively with the group?
good question. as for myself, i am not a member of the Ausar Auset Society yet.
i have studied a fair amount (more than a year) with the group in philly and plan to study more.
i am on the lower level of TOLM. i meditate regularly and try to contact my indwelling intelligence.
sometimes i feel it, sometimes i do not.

Greetings Jamesfromphilly,

Actually I'm not a member but I know and have studied with people who are either current or former members. There are and have been several spiritual masters within the Ausar Auset Society. I was able to gain an insight into many aspects of the society and their spiritual practice which are NOT included in the books. I also practice an Afrikan spiritual tradition which is, shall we say, is not known to the general public. Therefore, I have another perspective of the Metu Neter. An analogy would a lifelong practioner of Kung Fu being able to grasp and overstand the principles of Judo

I respect where you are at in your spiritual practice because the key is humility. I have a lot of knowledge but I'm also humble about it because no matter what I know there are people out there who blow any of us away. I still have a lifetime of learning. People would be SHOCKED at what is out there.

Oh, about that warrior piece...anyone who thinks that spirituality is about being peaceful even towards enemies really don't know jack about spirituality. I mean being peaceful is legitimate but NOT the only path or even the wisest path towards enemies. There were many cultures particularly in the Air Elemental Cultures of Asia that were based on warfare but also very spiritual. Check out the history of the Shaolin Temple and the Samurai of Japan.

Sometimes you gotta come out pocket and tap that *** and God's cool with it.

Peace,
Belsidus

Taking respons-ability for ones condition and, hence, emancipation (by any means necessary) does not logically translate to what is implied by "Being at Fault."
I was about to post the exact same sentiment....but probably would've taken three extra paragraphs to say it.



This does not reflect the ancient black spiritual traditions of the Indus kush valley (Dravidians) This sounds like Caste System appartheid racism that the aryans (who arrogated themselves as authors of the vedas) instituted.

Ditto on this. There are many racist Indians I've come across, but I have others who are friends and acknowledge the role of the Dravidians.

...anyone who thinks that spirituality is about being peaceful even towards enemies really don't know jack about spirituality.
thank you. i would be grateful if you could give an opinion on my other thread: http://destee.com/forums/showthread.php?t=52006

I have a question.

Who on this thread are either members of the Ausar Auset Society or at the very least have studied extensively with the group? I pretty know who will answer in the affirmative.

I'm asking because I see many intellectual discussions regarding the Metu Neter but they are most by people who have merely read the book and maybe applied their own overstanding to the contents. Quite frankly, the Metu Neter is only the tip of the iceberg.

I await responses.

Peace,
Belsidus

It is true that the Metu Neter (Book) is predominately operating from an Apuat/Anpu modality and serves to guide or open the way to what transcends the scope of the book's linear presentation. Alot of my study and meditation time was done while doing time in Leavenworth. My wife has studied and attended rituals in the Atlanta Hesp. I have not been to a ritual at the Hesp or attended the Virginia retreat. I have followed the exercises (still do) and have cultivated the growing of innate attributes that are a testimony to the books purpose. I've run into people who are in the Hesp and fraternizing but got some serious issues and one can tell that they are struggling with their person and, as you stated, some who read the book and think Anuk Ausar is dungeons and Dragons (Role Playin game) or something so the pendulum swings both ways . Hetepu

It is true that the Metu Neter (Book) is predominately operating from an Apuat/Anpu modality and serves to guide or open the way to what transcends the scope of the book's linear presentation. Alot of my study and meditation time was done while doing time in Leavenworth. My wife has studied and attended rituals in the Atlanta Hesp. I have not been to a ritual at the Hesp or attended the Virginia retreat. I have followed the exercises (still do) and have cultivated the growing of innate attributes that are a testimony to the books purpose. I've run into people who are in the Hesp and fraternizing but got some serious issues and one can tell that they are struggling with their person and, as you stated, some who read the book and think Anuk Ausar is dungeons and Dragons (Role Playin game) or something so the pendulum swings both ways . Hetepu

Greetings Bro. MenNefer,

I had to laugh about the Dungeons and Dragons piece. I encounter so many people on the spiritual path who believe themselves to be masters or adepts while the actual spiritual masters are very humble. I sense that humility in you because you are doing the work. Once you start doing the work you realize that this is not an easy journey. The key to all of this is dealing with the ego. People's ego tells them that are on top of the food chain until life shows them that they still have work to do. Some people whne knocked off their pedastal learn the lesson and continue to grow. Others find their life becoming worse in many aspects because their ego doesn't allow them them to be realistic about their true position in life.

Keep rising and transforming.

Peace,
Belsidus

Greetings Bro. MenNefer,

I had to laugh about the Dungeons and Dragons piece. I encounter so many people on the spiritual path who believe themselves to be masters or adepts while the actual spiritual masters are very humble. I sense that humility in you because you are doing the work. Once you start doing the work you realize that this is not an easy journey. The key to all of this is dealing with the ego. People's ego tells them that are on top of the food chain until life shows them that they still have work to do. Some people whne knocked off their pedastal learn the lesson and continue to grow. Others find their life becoming worse in many aspects because their ego doesn't allow them them to be realistic about their true position in life.

Keep rising and transforming.

Peace,
Belsidus

Just the "Thought" that you are doing the same thing pervades me with peace.

Taking respons-ability for ones condition and, hence, emancipation (by any means necessary) does not logically translate to what is implied by "Being at Fault."

I visited another forum and encountered an argument started on the premise of "black people hating white people". The proponets of that premise were using the same spiritual foundation to "clean" black people of hate for white people. It struck me that there is a pattern of reasoning among us that mimics the structuring of the educational system that molded the minds of many of us.

I am a paragon of "taking responsibility". So much so that I often arise the hackles of many by pointing out the fact that we spend an inordinate amount of time aspiring to get into heaven after we are dead and very little fighting for its earthly manifestations while the breath of life is within us. We as a people are the cleanest, in terms of wrong doing, on this here earth. We as a people are the most humble on this here earth. Given that reality, I personally think it is incongrous for me to be worrying or obsessing my self over whether I should embrace any other group, or whether I love or hate them. I am more concerned with the material struggle of winning for me and mine that which traditionally always seem to flow to them.

What greater manifestation of oneness with the Supreme, under any spiritual belief system, can there be than the historical reaction of people of African descent to 400 years of oppression of holocaust proportions. We did not come out of that with fire in our eyes and rage in our hearts. Does that not suggest that as a people we are almost "there". Can any replica of this kind of spiritual awakening, of this kind o0f humility, be found anywhere in the history of this world.

No I am sorry. As a member of this group the question of "are we there yet", in terms of surmounting the obstacles that confine human kind to "eye for eye" and "tooth for tooth" interaction with others, that confine human kind to feral antipathy for things that are different than that to which they are accustomed, has long been answered for me. As humans we have gone as far as any group could ever hope to reach in terms of our historical and spiritual tolerance and accomodation. While I do not advocate a discontinuance of reaching for the "holy grail", I strongly believe it should be done in the context of where we are in terms of humane manifestations. And where we are cannot be appreciated without recognition of where others are not.

This does not reflect the ancient black spiritual traditions of the Indus kush valley (Dravidians) This sounds like Caste System appartheid racism that the aryans (who arrogated themselves as authors of the vedas) instituted.

No. By their own words, http://www.dalitvoice.org/this reflects the spiritual belief system fostered upon them after conquest. I referenced this because in the US we tend to believe that anti black prejudice is confined to whites. It is not. It is pervasive the world over. David Duke claimed that until he visited India, he never really grasped the true significance of his whiteness, or words to that effect. Following that trend of thought, we never seem to notice the scarcity of blacks among the economic and political structures in Africa and the Middle East, including geographic spheres where blacks once abound.

As long as we continue with the delusion that the enemy, and by this I mean any racial or ethnic grouping with historical and cultural negative perceptions of Africans, is confined to one demographic, the trojan horses of attrition will continue to move us one place backward as another moves ahead of us. I do not advance an argument that we should become intolerant. I advance an argument that we should become vigilant, and that we should "keep it real"

this entire thread has given me much pleasure. to those who agree with me and to those who do not. seasons greetings!

:SuN006:

A wonderful Brother by the name of Mfundishi ..... Salim who wrote the phenominal book called "Spiritual Warriors are Healers". This books falls in line with all of the books of the Metu Neter that others have written, I am in full agreement that we absolutely cannot embrace, non-melinated people. Although some may possibly be able to follow the spirtual teachings of our ancestors, it is dangerous to take a chance on hoping they are.

Following the laws of Ma'at and ascending into sacredness is the most important journey that we must go through to heal ourselves and our people. Fighting white supermacy and the ways of our enemies is also a road we all must uundertake for our very survival.

So I agree with you that feel we cannot embrace non-melinated people. Been there done that, wrote a song, got the hat, and got the stipes on our backs!!

I have spent a number of days reading and feeding on the words that are being passed between those of you here. Some poetic and spiritual soliloquies that initially engaged and enthralled. The more I read the more I realized that there are "swimmers" here who float magnificently on the surface of a sea of words, yet standing below watching your measured strokes, across the ocean of research, religion, theology, theocracy, I find myself drowning. I am interested only in focus, which is enmeshed with logic, words leave so many confused, while logic delivers them, yet, in its simplicity can also confuse. Does there exist anyone here who is engaged in the work of eliminating racism/white supremacy, those who wish to clarify as opposed to confuse, theorize or theocratize. I sit today on the "lifequater" I have been universally irrelevant for life like many non-white brothers and sisters before me, and I lend myself to that shared cause, for the baton has been passed, in the darkeness of night beyond the view of the master of evil, yet this [I]master of[I]]evil doesn't worry for if his work has been done well, those who receive the baton will not no what to do with the information presented. I have come here looking to find others who can elevate me, but I find more than anything a desire to return to a "great" yesterday, and nothing that addresses the reality that what we are in need of are "great" tomorrows.

I have come here looking to find others who can elevate me, but I find more than anything a desire to return to a "great" yesterday, and nothing that addresses the reality that what we are in need of are "great" tomorrows.
this is a forum for devotees of the metu neter. are you one to? have you read the text? if you did you would find that it is all about today. this entire discussion is about how to approach the issues of tomorrow. how to proceed. do we embrace white people going forward or do we shun them.

I have spent a number of days reading and feeding on the words that are being passed between those of you here. Some poetic and spiritual soliloquies that initially engaged and enthralled. The more I read the more I realized that there are "swimmers" here who float magnificently on the surface of a sea of words, yet standing below watching your measured strokes, across the ocean of research, religion, theology, theocracy, I find myself drowning. I am interested only in focus, which is enmeshed with logic, words leave so many confused, while logic delivers them, yet, in its simplicity can also confuse. Does there exist anyone here who is engaged in the work of eliminating racism/white supremacy, those who wish to clarify as opposed to confuse, theorize or theocratize. I sit today on the "lifequater" I have been universally irrelevant for life like many non-white brothers and sisters before me, and I lend myself to that shared cause, for the baton has been passed, in the darkeness of night beyond the view of the master of evil, yet this [I]master of[I]]evil doesn't worry for if his work has been done well, those who receive the baton will not no what to do with the information presented. I have come here looking to find others who can elevate me, but I find more than anything a desire to return to a "great" yesterday, and nothing that addresses the reality that what we are in need of are "great" tomorrows.

Prizmm ... Hello and Welcome ... :wave:

You've made a wonderful entrance, in my opinion, sharing your thoughts on what you've read thus far, as well as your hopes for us collectively, and your own position in the great scheme of things! How nice! Quite refreshing to read.

I think that what you've said has much merit, as we have not been able to collectively or historically master the use of words, coming together to discuss and share our thoughts. So there may be some of what you've described, "swimmers" here who float magnificently on the surface of a sea of words. Imagine if we had been able to freely learn, talk, discuss, and commune together, for as long as everyone else in this world, we might be beyond this phase, but instead, here we are. I personally think it is progress, for this moment in time is unprecedented amongst our people, being able to gather together openly (from all corners of the world) and discuss our true feelings regarding our collective condition, and how to overcome it. No longer are we relegated to sneaking, hiding, and whispering at the well, in order to share our thoughts with each other.

I know it can get deep up in here ... but please don't drown ... swim Brother swim! ... :swim: ... :love:

Are you a Brother? If not, i mean no disrespect. Please forgive.

Because we are now able to come together, peacefully and respectfully, in a place of our own, made exclusively for us, welcoming even the "least of us" (which i am one) to share their thoughts and opinion ... the chances are greater that we'll find the logical answers that we all seek. I believe everyone here wants a better tomorrow for all of us, especially our children.

We don't know who will bring that definitive, tried, true, and proven answer to us, for none has done it yet.

It may be you! :)

Please continue to share with us, and make yourself at home, because you are!

Much Love and Peace.

:heart:

Destee

We don't know who will bring that definitive, tried, true, and proven answer to us, for none has done it yet.
uh-oh.

if this is what we are waiting for then we have another problem:

if the thing has yet to be done, then it can neither have been tried nor proven;

it will only be definitive when it has weathered our long known propensity to not trust much of anything except what has been tried and proven to be true;

once proven to be definitive, it will then be seen to be true!

personally i think that that answer is sitting right here beneath our fingertips:

[brick-and-mortar]Destee.Com - the Global Telecommunications Giant of the African Family.

i believe that Destee.Com will be/is that Black Employer/Empowerment that we need!!

(i would much rather believe that this is the bit that i have mentioned that you were referring to rather than the money-less-ness that you did mention. NOTE!!!11: nothing said in this missive is intended to mean anything other than massive encouragement, agreement, respect, love, belief and compassion!! just bringing my own from-the/a-future-paradigm slant to it.)

(once that has been "defined" fully, the money will be obvious - but to kill the idea before it gets an airing because "white supremacy" "requires" "money" just keeps us, and our children, right where we are.)

One must dare to dream if one is to have a dream come true, no?

I dare. and you did/do too, Beloved.

So how does this drama play itself out on the physical plane? What would the logistics look like being that the Mundane reflects the spiritual?
Matter, in a strictly physical sense, is not real. Matter is nothing but energy. There is One source of all energy -- some call It Atum, or Ra, or Brahman, or God, or the Divine Self, etc.

Nothing in the physical realm is what it appears to be to our five senses.

I can look in a mirror, and recognize my reflection. But, that reflection is not real, is not me, nor has any power to affect me. Someone could walk by, slap the reflection, shoot it, maybe even try and enslave it. But, none of that would affect me unless I chose to identify the real I with the reflection -- and that is something I try very hard not to do.

(Multiversal perspective)
{Ba,Khu,Sekhem,Ab,Sahu,KAand Khat/Khab}
You ARE you at every angle/Angel of perspective within this electric crystal. Your Omniscience allows you to see how you may process the best response in a manifold of ways or circumstances. This is how WE translate Maat through the Architecture of the Paut Neteru onto the 10th sphere where the Ab and Sahu are able to begin contruction. The communication between the Ab man and Sahu largely depends on Ab's communication with Ba. So if you (like I) have to try hard to not identify with the Person then We can't be at the Ba level or, questionably, AB. If We are at the Ab level we would know How important it is to translate our discussion with The Ba man into something recognizable to the Sahu and, most importantly, vice/versa.
(Tehuti tu Tchaas/ Sebek tu Maat)

But, none of that would affect me unless I chose to identify the real I with the reflection -- and that is something I try very hard not to do.

Do you reject that which sought you in the darkest hour? She is your Divine mate. Without her there is NO ascension of your Sun. The shadow I embraced in the undifferentiated waters of NU, The Throne that I shine through as Heru.

I am asking Heru: So how does this drama play itself out on the physical plane? What would the logistics look like being that the Mundane reflects the spiritual?

Would/should this be his answer?Matter, in a strictly physical sense, is not real. Matter is nothing but energy. There is One source of all energy -- some call It Atum, or Ra, or Brahman, or God, or the Divine Self, etc.

*The Crook and the Flail*

(Multiversal perspective)
{Ba,Khu,Sekhem,Ab,Sahu,KAand Khat/Khab}
You ARE you at every angle/Angel of perspective within this electric crystal. Your Omniscience allows you to see how you may process the best response in a manifold of ways or circumstances. This is how WE translate Maat through the Architecture of the Paut Neteru onto the 10th sphere where the Ab and Sahu are able to begin contruction. The communication between the Ab man and Sahu largely depends on Ab's communication with Ba. So if you (like I) have to try hard to not identify with the Person then We can't be at the Ba level or, questionably, AB. If We are at the Ab level we would know How important it is to translate our discussion with The Ba man into something recognizable to the Sahu and, most importantly, vice/versa.
(Tehuti tu Tchaas/ Sebek tu Maat)



Do you reject that which sought you in the darkest hour? She is your Divine mate. Without her there is NO ascension of your Sun. The shadow I embraced in the undifferentiated waters of NU, The Throne that I shine through as Heru.

I am asking Heru: So how does this drama play itself out on the physical plane? What would the logistics look like being that the Mundane reflects the spiritual?

Would/should this be his answer?Matter, in a strictly physical sense, is not real. Matter is nothing but energy. There is One source of all energy -- some call It Atum, or Ra, or Brahman, or God, or the Divine Self, etc.

*The Crook and the Flail*






Hotep menefer
In my humble opinion the reflection is just as important as the image projecting how could it not be.when they both have the same orgin. this gift of perception while in this current state of energetic existence we are agents or representives of intelligent engery in this temporary state. To enable us to experience ourselves.while in the mist of ourselves never as an in di visible but a piece of the whole no matter what state we are in. Peace

Matter, in a strictly physical sense, is not real. Matter is nothing but energy. There is One source of all energy -- some call It Atum, or Ra, or Brahman, or God, or the Divine Self, etc.

Nothing in the physical realm is what it appears to be to our five senses.

I can look in a mirror, and recognize my reflection. But, that reflection is not real, is not me, nor has any power to affect me. Someone could walk by, slap the reflection, shoot it, maybe even try and enslave it. But, none of that would affect me unless I chose to identify the real I with the reflection -- and that is something I try very hard not to do.
do your feet touch the ground when you walk?

:qqb013:

do your feet touch the ground when you walk?

:qqb013:
The extremes of existence
In my opinion have lead to the conclusion of them being seperate in sums eyes all expression of the creator matters. If not so then why would the energy will itself to be any thing. This gift of energy being incased in energy is powerful and serves a purpose if not it would not be up for discussion. Back to your topic I truly think the appropriate question is do we embrace an identified enemy. I
see no examples in mother neters other images of herself on this planet whom desire to do so. They defend and protect themselves and their desires at all cost.funny is often popular opinion that our species is more evolved then the animals. When a brown dog sees a black dog what do they see? A dog.but we are the smart ones ??

do your feet touch the ground when you walk?

:qqb013:

At what point are the feet ever disconnected from the ground? Your feet being seperated from the ground is a popular belief.

Not accusing you of holding such beliefs of course. :)


Just had to get that out

nice dialog here.

The extremes of existence
In my opinion have lead to the conclusion of them being seperate in sums eyes all expression of the creator matters. If not so then why would the energy will itself to be any thing. This gift of energy being incased in energy is powerful and serves a purpose if not it would not be up for discussion. Back to your topic I truly think the appropriate question is do we embrace an identified enemy. I
see no examples in mother neters other images of herself on this planet whom desire to do so. They defend and protect themselves and their desires at all cost.funny is often popular opinion that our species is more evolved then the animals. When a brown dog sees a black dog what do they see? A dog.but we are the smart ones ??

Is their any hope for rival non-white gangs? Should they continue to bang after members from both sides been killed by their/our enemy?

Just asking

At what point are the feet ever disconnected from the ground? Your feet being seperated from the ground is a popular belief..
it was a joke on my part. homie gets so holy that i wonder if he gone float right off the planet.

Is their any hope for rival non-white gangs?
there is no hope for nobody in no gang. that is beyond the scope of this thread.

Hey HipHopolx…I agree with this!
nice dialog here



And, Special Shout outs to:
Pdiane, Prizmm, Toma, Belsidus

Jamesfrmphilly…
Nice job!

Mama Destee…Loving your vibe on here!

anAfrican…I agree with this: personally i think that that answer is sitting right here beneath our fingertips
I agree!!! :picture:

My Spiritual Warrior King..Brother Menefer!

I’ve been wanting to add..yet...as I RE~view your thoughts I realize I need more time one on one to fully express my thoughts and feelings RE~lating to your post.
Yet and still, I have come to these conclusions and STILL know little about how the “cards” are used in RE~lation to the Metu Neter. In fact, I’m STILL awaiting some info on this thread:http://destee.com/forums/showthread.php?t=50228

ANY BODY SAVE JAMESFRMMYHOMETOWN HAVE ANY INFO TO SHARE HERE:?:

Brother KemetKind...I share these sentiments at ALL times when I'm engaged in dialogue with other Afreekan Descendents working towards RE~covery.
What you shared in this post This was not a criticism, but an observation....
I'm here seeking to learn and exchange ideas...
and....

Still, what you have shared here TRULY mirrors that which I have come to KNOW and work to BE…as in…the BE~haviors I engage…are geared towards RE~cognizing and RE~specting and RE~sponding in ways which manifest these Basic Principles…real Simplily.


Hey Emanuel Goodman..Big Ups to you as Well!!

Brother Jamesfrommyhometown!
Been meaning to say….THANK YOU :bowdown: for this…

when i first had posts with this person they seemed female to me what with the kumbayaya stuff and all. so i called them female.
now they appear as male. it is all good to me.
and…I just noticed the “Ouch” and …that IS appropriate as it mirrors what I FELT when my questions were sorta ignored/minizimed
:kiss: Thank You again….

Aite....I think that's all :em3600:

:hearts2:

it was a joke on my part. homie gets so holy that i wonder if he gone float right off the planet.

You have such a serious expression in your avatar. It keeps throwing me off. I keep mistaking your jokes for mean jabs. MY BAD

My confusion does come back to what the 'holyman' was saying tho

I say 'holyman' in jest, I'm glad Mr. Istlota found his way to Destee.com
I find his words very enlightning

there is no hope for nobody in no gang. that is beyond the scope of this thread.

It would be beneficial for them to stop their fighting. I'm sure they feel just as strongly who their enemy is as anybody else.

It would be beneficial for them to stop their fighting. I'm sure they feel just as strongly who their enemy is as anybody else.
this thread is about the application of the metu neter.
if you wanna do a gang thread please do it in the proper forum.

this thread is about the application of the metu neter.
if you wanna do a gang thread please do it in the proper forum.
fyi..
got something coming for YOU Jamesfrmphilly..
a short 2 and half minute video RE~ply which I Planned to NOT BE "boring" and ..

Would L.O.V.E. to hear a RE~ply to from YOU...even if in 'private'...as in p.m.
so as to not RE~direct your thread..cause....I DO overstand your positon...
and....


:hearts2:

(Multiversal perspective)
{Ba,Khu,Sekhem,Ab,Sahu,KAand Khat/Khab}
So if you (like I) have to try hard to not identify with the Person then We can't be at the Ba level or, questionably, AB. If We are at the Ab level we would know How important it is to translate our discussion with The Ba man into something recognizable to the Sahu and, most importantly, vice/versa.
(Tehuti tu Tchaas/ Sebek tu Maat)
Should it be necessary to "try hard" --- to struggle --- to be what one already is? Why was it necessary for Jesus, who was already God, to struggle in this phenomenal realm for three years, at one point "trying" so "hard" that he was sweating blood? Why did Ausar/Osiris have to struggle, to "try hard" until he died in the flesh, and then lived on in the spirit?

As long as we _perceive_ that we exist in this phenomenal realm, struggle, trying hard, is inevitable. This perception is typically born of ignorance, but it can also be a conscious choice, as when God chose to make Itself a little lower than the angels to fullfill Divine Law.

Some effort, some struggle, some "trying hard" is necessary to climb the tree, otherwise you will remain at its root, perhaps never even really knowing which end is the root and which is the apex.

The struggle ends when we cease to perceive that we exist in this phenomenal realm.

Do you reject that which sought you in the darkest hour?
The sole reason for my existence is to fulfill the Will of the One.

fyi..
got something coming for YOU Jamesfrmphilly..
a short 2 and half minute video RE~ply which I Planned to NOT BE "boring" and ..
Aite....I did not up the video and this morning....I felt like going to find the reference point I thought of when I heard this response to brother HipHopolx
Originally Posted by jamesfrmphilly
this thread is about the application of the metu neter.
if you wanna do a gang thread please do it in the proper forum.

Sister True ... many threads are started with one intention, one topic, and end up in a multitude of other places. There's nothing we can do about that, and we don't really discourage it (discussion). Just skip over the parts that you don't want to address, focusing instead on the ones that you do.

Love You!
http://destee.com/forums/showthread.php?t=51807&page=2

and..as I read the brother's comments, I see what you mean James when you say..
do your feet touch the ground when you walk?
cause...i'm trying to figure what or how am i to 'percieve' myself in any other existence RIGHT NOW besides that which i AM experiencing.

As long as we _perceive_ that we exist in this phenomenal realm, struggle, trying hard, is inevitableIsolta..

While I may KNOW my Spirit or Soul Energy or however one defines the "self" that departs from THIS reality upon this thing that is percieved as "death", and while there are times when i sense I exist in the "here and now" and possibly in another reality somewhere else, the bottom line right HERE AND NOW...is that I AM able to 'perceive'/respect/see and therefore InTerAct with you and others because I am able to PERCEIVE ..I mean..what is "perception" save the ability to "see" a thing..to "be aware" of some thing....
my 'trying hard' at this time....is the struggle to RE~main entrapped in this current reality....entrapped in the sense that my Spirit is 'incased' in this body on this planet at this specific time period...living, breathing, moving, knowing.....growing and having a "human experience". It's hard and a struggle because I have a greater 'sense' that this IS NOT the BE all and End of "life", "living" for many given days..especially of late....thier is little happiness to BE found.
Now, maybe that means "I" am not meditating enough, that I am thinking "negative" and/or that I am not reading my bible or studying any Religious doctrine which will TELL ME WHAT TO DO in order to experience more "happiness" and peace with and for myself....or
maybe it means some thing else.....something too deep or something too HIGH up that it takes real special people to achieve those levels....to "see".

Once one has connected with or in some other 'realm' (reality), why stay or BE here....now:?: or are you here now or are you somewhere else calling for others to get out there where you are..hey...do I need shoes, clothing, water as I work to get where you are:?:

And I really am curious about this
Enough for now..

:hearts2:

Couple things Brother SamiRamaati:

1) I never said Metu Neter doesn't allow for one to defend oneself, I said nothing in the Metu Neter speaks to what our people should be doing practically with regard to race.

This was not a criticism, but an observation." In my response to those statements, I pointed to a very brief orientation to da white man and his history of violence and deceit that is found within the pages of Metu Neter. Furthermore, his pattern of lies and deception about matters of history was discussed in my summary of Chapter 2 (volume 1), "The Black Founders of Civilization," elsewhere in this forum. In addition, his demonic behavior is further discussed in Chapter 3, "The Source of The Light of The East." In volume 2 there is a chapter which deals with the Setanic perversion of government, religion, and economics by white people.

By way of analogy, if you had a Roman Antic (romantic) interest in Boomquisha, and I told you that she shot her 1st boyfriend for playing loud music, stabbed the 2nd one for not taking out the garbage, set the 3rd boyfriend's apartment on fire while he was asleep, forged the 4th boyfriend's checks because she needed drug money, stole the 5th boyfriend's credit cards because she wanted a new purse, and said nothing further about her, I would shake my head in amazement if you then said "But Sami, you still haven't given me any practical advice on how to deal with her, so I must look elsewhere."
"If you recall I also implied that IF the Metu Neter weren't of sufficient depth to be applied beyond race it would have little legitimacy as a spiritual text." IF you implied that IF that was the case, then that's fine, but I didn't know we were dealing with "IF" scenarios. One could waste a lot of time and server space positing an infinite number of hypothetical "IF" scenarios and accomplish nothing. Your specific contention is that we need to look elsewhere "For inspiration about how to deal practically with matters of race..." I've already pointed out that given what's in Metu Neter about how the eurobeast has historically treated people of Afrikan descent, the question of how to deal with white people is a no-brainer. Of course, some Black people will still have to be spoonfed a daily diet of "Don't Trust Whitey", but I think the overwhelming majority will get the message.

"My main point is that from a practical perspective, AAS don't appear to implement any different posture with respect to dealing with race than missionary baptists."
What direct observations have you made of the AAS vs. missionary Baptists that led you to that conclusion?
"When you say the AAS response to its members being attacked by white police is to call a lawyer, despite having knowledge of Herukhuti's faculties, well...you pretty much make my point."
Again, you're shifting your position and making up an entirely new scenario on the fly. In your previous post regarding this issue, you didn't say "attacked by white police," you said "unjustly hemmed up by the police." In any case, this response of yours tells me how fragmented and superficial your understanding is. You seem to think that Herukhuti is some caped crusader who's supposed to swing into action at the behest of AAS members who from time to time do have legal problems. The approach is to do spiritual readings (as soon as time permits) to find out the main deity or deities which govern the situation, followed by meditations and rituals tailored toward the deity or deities. There is typically a multiplicity of deities and energies involved in any given situation, and the entire picture has to be considered to determine the most appropriate response. All of this is done with a view toward influencing the process in question. Lawyers (governed by Sebek) are hired too, because in the final analysis, charges have to be answered formally, legal papers will have to be filed, arguments will have to be made in the courts of law. (Yes, Sebek has a role to play in many situations).

Herukhuti never has and never will break anyone out of the joint or swing into action to kick the azzes of white police who attack AAS members or Black people in general. Such scenarios belong in the realm of fantasy, not spiritual science. Sorry to disappoint.
"One could say that represents regression, for it was an application of spiritual science from black christians that sustained our ancestors to move beyond calling lawyers in the 50's and 60's and to find more direct means of seeking justice."
In the first place, those Black Christians have never had a spiritual science (neither did the white ones), and I challenge you or anybody else to prove that they did. Secondly, if you understood the whole Civil Rights movement you would know that those Black Christians DID hire lawyers, who litigated all the way up to the Supreme Court and got certain laws declared unconstitutional.
"2) You think I'm criticizing AAS or Metu Neter. I am not and that is not my intent."
Criticizing the AAS or Metu Neter is not a crime. "I'm here seeking to learn and exchange ideas."
To borrow a phrase from you, "I want to believe that," but everytime I comment on your statements or answer your questions your main response has been to create new scenarios based on nothing more than your own misunderstanding of, e.g., Herukhuti, and repeat the same unproven assertions without substantively addressing the answers and comments I put in front of you. You don't analyze or criticize anything I say (which is always welcome), you respond by pulling brand new hypothetical and totally irrelevant arguments and scenarios out of thin air. Your comment that "Herukhuti is in the text (theory) but nowhere to be found on the street (practical application)" is a prime example of that. As I alluded to above, Herukhuti ain't no caped crusader who lurks in the shadows waiting to spring into action.

If you're truly interested in learning, then you need to hit the books again and take the classes, because your responses and the way you're making your case tell me a lot about what you haven't yet grasped about this system. "I'm only mentioning what the AAS does or doesn't do from a perspective of comparative syncretism, not one of finding fault.
Comparative syncretism? What on earth is comparative syncretism? Yet another new concept introduced without definition, clarification, or precedence in this discussion.

Also, how do you know what the AAS does or doesn't do? What observations have you made that led you to any conclusion along those lines?

"What am I saying? I don't (yet) see where the practical application of the Metu Neter results in any difference in real outcomes from our application of the new testament, the koran, the gita or anything else black folks are using as spiritual system."
1) What outcomes are you measuring? 2) Have you made any comparative observations which enable you to answer the question of whether or not the outcomes are different, or are you just assuming that they're no different?
"As I've said, I want to believe otherwise. I want to experience the Metu Neter enabling me to bring forth divine intelligence on a level previously inaccessible, a level which if all black people were privy to, would produce an inevitable improvement in our condition."
If this is what you really want, then the best way to accomplish this is by attending classes and re-reading the material. As has been pointed out earlier by Belsidus, there's quite a bit to be learned that is not covered in the books.
"But what's happening is the more I study and experience, the more the faith tradition I grew up in is confirmed...if not vindicated."
Based on how you formulate your assertions and questions I don't see any evidence that you fully comprehend what you've studied.

If the faith tradition you refer to is Christianity, then having grown up in Christianity myself, I can say without hesistation that there's not one iota of similarity between the beliefs and practices of "Metu Neterians" and those of Christians, despite your earlier agreement with the ridiculous assertion of Music Producer. In your case, if the conclusion you reached is that practically speaking they are the same, then I suggest you call Reverend Poke Chop ASAP and tell him that you accept Jesus as your lord and savior. Why waste time spinning your wheels with this Metu Neter stuff when you already have a solid background to draw on?
"I had intuited the truths in Istlota's posts long before I had ever heard of RUNA or Metu Neter.

istlota has some glaring deficiencies in his understanding of Metu Neter as evidenced by (among other things) his inability to answer some pretty basic questions I put to him concerning the importance of taking care of and protecting one's physical body. I'm not trying to knock the brother, but I wouldn't use his posts as evidence of any kind of "truths."
"So how different really is Ausarian religion from the true teachings of Jesus (Yahshua)?"
On its face this question shows a profound lack of understanding of Metu Neter. If you had comprehended what you said you had read, you wouldn't even have to ask this question.

To answer it briefly, I don't recall where Jesus taught about the ancient Black civilizations, the incompleteness, failure and imminent collapse of the white man's behavior modifying institutions (religion, education, & government), the 7 divisions of the spirit, the anatomy of the human spirit (10 spheres distributed over those 7 divisions), meditation and its stages, how to perform a ritual, deity invocation, consulting oracles, & and stages of initiation, all of which one does in response to the demands of life page 100, vol 1). Do you remember reading any of this in the Gospels? If so, please share.

"Again, I'm not trying to degrade the system, I'm asking questions and making observations as I go through my process of experiencing it."What experience are you referring to?

By way of analogy, if you had a Roman Antic (romantic) interest in Boomquisha, and I told you that she shot her 1st boyfriend for playing loud music, stabbed the 2nd one for not taking out the garbage, set the 3rd boyfriend's apartment on fire while he was asleep, forged the 4th boyfriend's checks because she needed drug money, stole the 5th boyfriend's credit cards because she wanted a new purse, and said nothing further about her, I would shake my head in amazement if you then said "But Sami, you still haven't given me any practical advice on how to deal with her, so I must look elsewhere."
None of what Boomquisha has done is the point or the question. The question is whether Boomquisha is part of the same universal oneness as you are, and if so, how Boomquisha should be dealt with.

The Metu Neter does not suggest dealing with her any differently than any other faith. If so, let me know where.


I've already pointed out that given what's in Metu Neter about how the eurobeast has historically treated people of Afrikan descent, the question of how to deal with white people is a no-brainer. Of course, some Black people will still have to be spoonfed a daily diet of "Don't Trust Whitey", but I think the overwhelming majority will get the message.
There is no don't trust whitey message in the Medu Neter.

Your sarcasm does not negate the fact that giving a brief history of european interactions with Afrikan people does not qualify as guidance on how to deal with them.




[B]What direct observations have you made of the AAS vs. missionary Baptists that led you to that conclusion?
I made no claim to direct observation. If you have anything specific to offer suggesting the practical application is different in any way, please do. Everything you've offered thus far amounts to ritualistic differences, but at the end of the day, you deal with the world the same way....i.e...your people get attacked, call a lawyer.




[B]Again, you're shifting your position and making up an entirely new scenario on the fly. In your previous post regarding this issue, you didn't say "attacked by white police," you said "unjustly hemmed up by the police."


You've stated this repeatedly apparently in an attempt to turn this into a confrontation. I'm not interested in that and it's not my purpose in this thread. I've not shifted any position nor made any new scenarios.

"Attacked by police" and "unjustly hemmed up by the police" are two different phrases signifying the same scenario.


In any case, this response of yours tells me how fragmented and superficial your understanding is.

Thank you. But your assesment does not deter me.


You seem to think that Herukhuti is some caped crusader who's supposed to swing into action at the behest of AAS members who from time to time do have legal problems.

I think no such thing and nothing I've posted implies I do.

My point is at the end of the day, whether one is aware of the faculty of Herukhuti or not, neither an AAS member individually nor the AAS collectively is dealing with matters of justice for black people any differently than anyone else.

Prior to going to court, you use different rituals and meditate with different names for your dieties....but you're still going to court. The spiritual science does not result in one individually or collectively creating and delivering justice.



Herukhuti never has and never will break anyone out of the joint or swing into action to kick the azzes of white police who attack AAS members or Black people in general. Such scenarios belong in the realm of fantasy, not spiritual science. Sorry to disappoint.
Right. Which is the whole point. Belief in the system doesn't equip the adherent with anything special.

You get some nice theoretical concepts about justice, but no practical ambition to deliver it.


[B]In the first place, those Black Christians have never had a spiritual science (neither did the white ones), and I challenge you or anybody else to prove that they did.
First define spiritual science.

Second prove that AAS represents the exercisement of a spiritual science.

You do that and I'd be surprised if the same proof cannot be made that black christians possess said spiritual science.


Secondly, if you understood the whole Civil Rights movement you would know that those Black Christians DID hire lawyers, who litigated all the way up to the Supreme Court and got certain laws declared unconstitutional.
Yes they hired lawyers. But they did more than that. They got out in the streets and confronted their reality.

It was this confrontation that provided the momentum for the legal strategies to work.

Many of them broke the very laws they were fighting against as part of their effort to get them changed.

I'm sure 99% had nary a clue of herukhuti, yet from a practical application of their faith, they were collectively empowered to seek justice.

If all they had done was call a lawyer in response to oppression there would have been no civil rights movement.



everytime I comment on your statements or answer your questions your main response has been to create new scenarios based on nothing more than your own misunderstanding of, e.g., Herukhuti, and repeat the same unproven assertions without substantively addressing the answers and comments I put in front of you.

You don't analyze or criticize anything I say (which is always welcome), you respond by pulling brand new hypothetical and totally irrelevant arguments and scenarios out of thin air. Your comment that "Herukhuti is in the text (theory) but nowhere to be found on the street (practical application)" is a prime example of that. As I alluded to above, Herukhuti ain't no caped crusader who lurks in the shadows waiting to spring into action.
see above. My scenario has been consistent. I didn't imply Herukhuti was a caped crusader waiting to spring into action.

I implied those who are aware of the faculties of herukhuti aren't any more equipped to spring into action to enact or seek justice than anybody else.

I also implied black christians in their practical application have historically proven themselves more apt seek justice.

If a mass conversion of black people to the Medu Neter equips us to all call our lawyers...how does that represent an improved spiritual science?



If you're truly interested in learning, then you need to hit the books again and take the classes, because your responses and the way you're making your case tell me a lot about what you haven't yet grasped about this system.
OK.


[B]Comparative syncretism? What on earth is comparative syncretism? Yet another new concept introduced without definition, clarification, or precedence in this discussion.
Ok


Also, how do you know what the AAS does or doesn't do? What observations have you made that led you to any conclusion along those lines?
What conclusion are you referring to? If you're talking about how the AAS would deal with attacks against it's members the only observation i'm using is the words you've posted in this thread.



[B]1) What outcomes are you measuring? 2) Have you made any comparative observations which enable you to answer the question of whether or not the outcomes are different, or are you just assuming that they're no different?
The outcome is the condition and relative power position of the people who are strict adherents to the systems.

I have no empirical evidence, but I'm not making empirical claims.

If you have any evidence, empirical or otherwise, that my conclusions are wrong, I'd love to hear it.


[B] If this is what you [B]really want, then the best way to accomplish this is by attending classes and re-reading the material. As has been pointed out earlier by Belsidus, there's quite a bit to be learned that is not covered in the books.
Ok.


[B]Based on how you formulate your assertions and questions I don't see any evidence that you fully comprehend what you've studied.
Really? Maybe you are not fully comprehending my assertions or my questions?

Let's look at them.

1.) The metu neter does not provide practical guidance on the issue of race any moreso than other traditional spiritual texts
(based on reading the texts)

2.) The metu neter adherent is not any more, and possibly less, inspired to enact or seek justice than adherents of other spiritual systems
(based on an experienced AAS member's admonitions to call a lawyer for justice)

Other than questioning my comprehension, you've offered nothing either from the text or from your commentary to refute either of those assertions.



If the faith tradition you refer to is Christianity, then having grown up in Christianity myself, I can say without hesistation that there's not one iota of similarity between the beliefs and practices of "Metu Neterians" and those of Christians, despite your earlier agreement with the ridiculous assertion of Music Producer. In your case, if the conclusion you reached is that practically speaking they are the same, then I suggest you call Reverend Poke Chop ASAP and tell him that you accept Jesus as your lord and savior.

Re-read Istlota's post: http://destee.com/forums/showpost.php?p=496726&postcount=79

In it he makes some of the exact points I made before ever studying metu neter...concepts I posted about a year ago and intuited without having read them in a book.

I don't need to call reverend pork chop...Jesus is my lord because I strive to follow the way of Jesus and discern and follow the will of God as he did.

Whether I call it jesus or heru is irrelevant. Whether I call my ritual meditation or prayer is inconsequential.

My desire is still to connect to and align with that which is divine within me.



Why waste time spinning your wheels with this Metu Neter stuff when you already have a solid background to draw on?
Because I don't consider it a waste of my time.



[B]istlota has some glaring deficiencies in his understanding of Metu Neter as evidenced by (among other things) his inability to answer some pretty basic questions I put to him concerning the importance of taking care of and protecting one's physical body. I'm not trying to knock the brother, but I wouldn't use his posts as evidence of any kind of "truths."


"I'm not trying to knock the brother"...but I'll knock him anyway.

str8 up, that's about the most petty thing I've seen you post.

see above as to why I considered the brother's posts "truths".

Failing to answer a question to your satisfaction does not reflect anyone's ability to speak truth or to comprehend spiritual matters, including the metu neter.

It merely reflects they didn't answer a question to your liking.




On its face this question shows a profound lack of understanding of Metu Neter. If you had comprehended what you said you had read, you wouldn't even have to ask this question.
OK. Thank you.


To answer it briefly, I don't recall where Jesus taught about the ancient Black civilizations, the incompleteness, failure and imminent collapse of the white man's behavior modifying institutions (religion, education, & government), the 7 divisions of the spirit, the anatomy of the human spirit (10 spheres distributed over those 7 divisions), meditation and its stages, how to perform a ritual, deity invocation, consulting oracles, & and stages of initiation, all of which one does in response to the demands of life page 100, vol 1). Do you remember reading any of this in the Gospels? If so, please share.


I haven't claimed the rituals are identical and I think maybe you forgot the question as you were typing this response.

A response in which the tone is generally salty.

If we cannot elevate the dialogue to one of a more cooperative nature, it's best I bow out.

While I don't consider growth on these matters a waste of time argueing about them over the internet would be.

Peace.

None of what Boomquisha has done is the point or the question. The question is whether Boomquisha is part of the same universal oneness as you are, and if so, how Boomquisha should be dealt with.

The Metu Neter does not suggest dealing with her any differently than any other faith. If so, let me know where.


There is no don't trust whitey message in the Medu Neter.

Your sarcasm does not negate the fact that giving a brief history of european interactions with Afrikan people does not qualify as guidance on how to deal with them.




I made no claim to direct observation. If you have anything specific to offer suggesting the practical application is different in any way, please do. Everything you've offered thus far amounts to ritualistic differences, but at the end of the day, you deal with the world the same way....i.e...your people get attacked, call a lawyer.





You've stated this repeatedly apparently in an attempt to turn this into a confrontation. I'm not interested in that and it's not my purpose in this thread. I've not shifted any position nor made any new scenarios.

"Attacked by police" and "unjustly hemmed up by the police" are two different phrases signifying the same scenario.


Thank you. But your assesment does not deter me.


I think no such thing and nothing I've posted implies I do.

My point is at the end of the day, whether one is aware of the faculty of Herukhuti or not, neither an AAS member individually nor the AAS collectively is dealing with matters of justice for black people any differently than anyone else.

Prior to going to court, you use different rituals and meditate with different names for your dieties....but you're still going to court. The spiritual science does not result in one individually or collectively creating and delivering justice.



Right. Which is the whole point. Belief in the system doesn't equip the adherent with anything special.

You get some nice theoretical concepts about justice, but no practical ambition to deliver it.


First define spiritual science.

Second prove that AAS represents the exercisement of a spiritual science.

You do that and I'd be surprised if the same proof cannot be made that black christians possess said spiritual science.


Yes they hired lawyers. But they did more than that. They got out in the streets and confronted their reality.

It was this confrontation that provided the momentum for the legal strategies to work.

Many of them broke the very laws they were fighting against as part of their effort to get them changed.

I'm sure 99% had nary a clue of herukhuti, yet from a practical application of their faith, they were collectively empowered to seek justice.

If all they had done was call a lawyer in response to oppression there would have been no civil rights movement.



see above. My scenario has been consistent. I didn't imply Herukhuti was a caped crusader waiting to spring into action.

I implied those who are aware of the faculties of herukhuti aren't any more equipped to spring into action to enact or seek justice than anybody else.

I also implied black christians in their practical application have historically proven themselves more apt seek justice.

If a mass conversion of black people to the Medu Neter equips us to all call our lawyers...how does that represent an improved spiritual science?



OK.


Ok


What conclusion are you referring to? If you're talking about how the AAS would deal with attacks against it's members the only observation i'm using is the words you've posted in this thread.



The outcome is the condition and relative power position of the people who are strict adherents to the systems.

I have no empirical evidence, but I'm not making empirical claims.

If you have any evidence, empirical or otherwise, that my conclusions are wrong, I'd love to hear it.


Ok.


Really? Maybe you are not fully comprehending my assertions or my questions?

Let's look at them.

1.) The metu neter does not provide practical guidance on the issue of race any moreso than other traditional spiritual texts
(based on reading the texts)

2.) The metu neter adherent is not any more, and possibly less, inspired to enact or seek justice than adherents of other spiritual systems
(based on an experienced AAS member's admonitions to call a lawyer for justice)

Other than questioning my comprehension, you've offered nothing either from the text or from your commentary to refute either of those assertions.




Re-read Istlota's post: http://destee.com/forums/showpost.php?p=496726&postcount=79

In it he makes some of the exact points I made before ever studying metu neter...concepts I posted about a year ago and intuited without having read them in a book.

I don't need to call reverend pork chop...Jesus is my lord because I strive to follow the way of Jesus and discern and follow the will of God as he did.

Whether I call it jesus or heru is irrelevant. Whether I call my ritual meditation or prayer is inconsequential.

My desire is still to connect to and align with that which is divine within me.


Because I don't consider it a waste of my time.




"I'm not trying to knock the brother"...but I'll knock him anyway.

str8 up, that's about the most petty thing I've seen you post.

see above as to why I considered the brother's posts "truths".

Failing to answer a question to your satisfaction does not reflect anyone's ability to speak truth or to comprehend spiritual matters, including the metu neter.

It merely reflects they didn't answer a question to your liking.




OK. Thank you.



I haven't claimed the rituals are identical and I think maybe you forgot the question as you were typing this response.

A response in which the tone is generally salty.

If we cannot elevate the dialogue to one of a more cooperative nature, it's best I bow out.

While I don't consider growth on these matters a waste of time argueing about them over the internet would be.

Peace.


kemetkind,

:bowdown: :teach: :bowdown:

...Jesus is my lord because I strive to follow the way of Jesus and discern and follow the will of God as he did....
i respectfully ask you to exit this thread. this forum is for discussion of the metu neter. this thread is not intended as a combat between the adherents of the metu neter and the followers of Jesus. there are other places for that. i started this thread as a request for discussion of rather involved issues within the interpretation of the metu neter. it is for those who are students of the texts. it is not appropriate for the Christians to come in and mount a passive aggressive attack on the metu neter. i do not enter into Christian threads why do you come here? i'm asking for some basic respect and courtesy. if you do not subscribe to the tenants of the metu neter please do not come here.

thank you

i respectfully ask you to exit this thread. this forum is for discussion of the metu neter. this thread is not intended as a combat between the adherents of the metu neter and the followers of Jesus. there are other places for that. i started this thread as a request for discussion of rather involved issues within the interpretation of the metu neter. it is for those who are students of the texts. it is not appropriate for the Christians to come in and mount a passive aggressive attack on the metu neter. i do not enter into Christian threads why do you come here? i'm asking for some basic respect and courtesy. if you do not subscribe to the tenants of the metu neter please do not come here.

thank you

I respectfully decline and it is quite clear from my posts I am not here for the purpose of combat.

I am not a christian, and neither was Jesus.

Jesus, whether he existed on a physical plane or not, represents one who has ascended to a level most of us can only aspire to.

So yes, as with krishna or budda or any other spiritual master he is lord, and to the extent I am able to master my imperfections, I am as capable of becoming as much lord as they.

So I have no problems with Jesus or the myth of Jesus, and the parallels between the words accredited to jesus and the general goal of ausarian religion cannot be denied.

It is clear to me from the teachings that to follow his path is to follow a path towards righteousness, and there is nothing in the medu neter incongruent with that path.

Now back to your request...even if I were christian, you'd have no right to ask me not to post here, and you'd do yourself a disservice by doing so.

You started this thread, but you started it within a subforum that was already created over a year ago.

The purpose of that subforum is to host discussion for people who are interesting in serious study of various spiritual systems.

Let me refer you to this post: http://destee.com/forums/showpost.php?p=446650&postcount=1

If you choose to segregate yourself only into discussions involving Metu Neter that is your choice, but you should not attempt to segregate others.

As long as we are respectfully engaging our brothers and sisters here any participation is welcome.

Isolta..

While I may KNOW my Spirit or Soul Energy or however one defines the "self" that departs from THIS reality upon this thing that is percieved as "death", and while there are times when i sense I exist in the "here and now" and possibly in another reality somewhere else, the bottom line right HERE AND NOW...is that I AM able to 'perceive'/respect/see and therefore InTerAct with you and others because I am able to PERCEIVE ..
We each walk the path we were birthed into this age to follow. Follow it, as you must, and you will arrive where you were meant to be.

Along your Way, some will say what they were birthed into this age to say to you, to shape your Way. Just flow with the rhythm inside you that seems natural. It will guide you to that which you must accept, and that which you must reject.

The beauty of the Divine Plan. You are not alone. The One walks with you, structuring all events in this life for your benefit.

I respectfully decline and it is quite clear from my posts I am not here for the purpose of combat
i asked for the same respect that i show to others. i do not go and challenge anybody else. i ask that you not come here challenging. if you do not care to grant that it says something about you.

i repeat, this is a thread for a discussion of certain aspects of the metu neter. i'm trying to keep it like that. as such there is no place for jesus, budda or the other cats right now. i am not arguing the validity or comparing the metu with any other text. i just want to talk about the metu.

This post has some comedic gems in it.

i asked for the same respect that i show to others. i do not go and challenge anybody else. i ask that you not come here challenging. if you do not care to grant that it says something about you.

i repeat, this is a thread for a discussion of certain aspects of the metu neter. i'm trying to keep it like that. as such there is no place for jesus, budda or the other cats right now. i am not arguing the validity or comparing the metu with any other text. i just want to talk about the metu.

There is no disrespect here james.

And you're right it does say something about me that I will not let you dictate my actions, just as it says something about you that you would even make such an attempt.

You choose not to compare it to any other text. That is your choice.

I choose to make these comparisons as I study. That is my choice.

Read the text itself and it is clear this comparative process is employed by RUNA himself.

Regardless, I do not get to create a thread and tell you not to post in it because you don't study the way I study.

And neither do you.

As I mentioned to sami_ramaati, it is the tone of the discussion that is the problem, and the integrity of this subforum as operating any differently than the open spirituality forum is comprised if battles break out.

If I were to bow out of this thread, (which I was prepared to do prior to your conclusion that you could usher me out), I would be stepping aside for that reason, and that reason alone.

Peace.

When issues (seemingly) between us become alittle tangled its good to continue the spirit of our quest for (A similitude:em3700: ) of understanding.


I will step out and say that my ideas about embracing white people are more "specific" in concert with the relevance of Yurugu.

When I focus the lens of the 8th sphere and its identification with the 9th and its influence on the 7th sphere I get a more particularized version of its manifestation in reality (Yurugu) and what cultural constructs best convey its intentions(Europeans/Arabs etc). The behavioral attributes of The Pale Fox are counterintuitive to that which the Ausar upholds (Maakheru). The Metu Neter typifies these same ill-balanced proclivities with Europeans and Marimba Ani adds their inability to establish themselves as a collective in Maat because of the nature of their Asili (It is always seeking to validate itself ..religion, Aesthetics, Scientism ect.). She speaks of their whole culture as being a consequence of Ill-balance within the African psyche; a virus so to speak....Yurugu, Since the conception of the Universe and the African mind are essentially ONE ..AMMA. Our experience of the European and their cultural construct is the byproduct of an inherent mutation or split away from(opposing) ourselves. The Metu Neter speaks of the Setian and the Sahu and how that dynamic of slavery works. Yurugu calls a SPADE a SPADE. Metu Neter is not even dignifying the point because once we recapture our minds it will be self evident (as it is to me now). My spirituality is not about becoming Ausar in my own context (exclusively). I am to be Ausar to unite the Two Lands or the upper and lower divisions of the spirit....not to place one above the other but to achieve Maati ..Sma Taui. Ausar is a Unifier. Ausar is in THE MOMENT flowing with the script while not being moved. Ausar's outward show of force is an echoe of the inward....the behavior of the Immune system. Ausar is unmoved while redirecting that which appears (and may even believe itself ) to be opposing something. In the meantime, the initiate (Ab and Sahu man) institutes a form of Government that translates these high truths into a practicle (yet flexible) framework.

This "Yurugu" and "Metu Neter" syncretism translates the question of the forum to be "NO...we don't embrace white people or acknowledge their existence. The system that they perpetuate feeds on destruction and envelopes us in its dysfunction. I have not experienced Melanated people outside of the ramifications of this illness.

RUNA points out on Pg 19 of Metu Neter that "Racial differences go beyond the color of the skin, type of hair, skeletal structure and other physiognomical items. In future Chap. we will accumulate all the evidence to show that there is a cultural unity/{ASILI} (this is where Yurugu proves effective) among all white nations , all Black Nations, and Oriental Nations. And that the common factors in each are traceable to the hemispheres of the brain that dominates their thinking , their language, and cultural expressions (again see Yurugu).

The question is, is it plausible to acknowledge Whites cultural unity to what has been presented in Yurugu? If so ...then NO we don't embrace them and even in the Ausar state thats not a question to entertain ....The question would be what brings balance ...its not personal ...but the layman see it as "Stay away from the white people."

We each walk the path we were birthed into this age to follow. Follow it, as you must, and you will arrive where you were meant to be.

Along your Way, some will say what they were birthed into this age to say to you, to shape your Way. Just flow with the rhythm inside you that seems natural. It will guide you to that which you must accept, and that which you must reject.

The beauty of the Divine Plan. You are not alone. The One walks with you, structuring all events in this life for your benefit.

Brother Istlota ... it is so exciting to read this ... oh my gosh ... Thank You and Happy New Year!

:heart:

Destee

Brother Istlota ... it is so exciting to read this ... oh my gosh ... Thank You and Happy New Year!

:heart:

Destee
sounds like a blast of predestination hot air to me. but what would i know, my feet touch the ground when i walk

sounds like a blast of predestination hot air to me. but what would i know, my feet touch the ground when i walk

Yes Brother James, really.

Predestination ?? ... hmmmm ... i suppose some of that is at play ... is it a bad thing?

:heart:

Destee

"the Ausarian approach to resolving family conflicts --- Embrace the God within your enemy until your enemy becomes your friend"

i'm butting heads with somebody over at afrochat who claims to be at the level of ausar and who tells me that we should embrace white people.
she says that is what the metu neter says to do.

i have a problem with that.

is there no room for warriors in khemetic society?

I do not see where this thread SPECIFICALLY states it is a "Medu Neter "thread" and have been reading for months with hesitation to respond.

Why? Because I have already experienced the defensive nature that some folks react with to much of what I say.

Specifically relative to the initial post, I have mentioned before, years ago, RUNA's own affiliation past/or present with the Rosicrucian Society. If he was an initate in this ORDER then that means he reached a certain level RELATIVE to other WHITE PEOPLE in the very same order.

Long before RUNA wrote the "Medu Neter" he wrote The Oracle OF THOTH (1977).

THOTH.

Not TEHUTI.

And it was based upon an earlier book written by Aliester Crowley, a white Egyptologist.

There have been many attempts by AAS members to deny the existence of this earlier writing and also RUNA's early relationship to the Rosirucians.

So, it is no wonder to me why this brother at afrochat would be butting heads with you. All he is suggesting is the same treatment that RUNA was given at an earlier period before founding the AAS.

I do not see where this thread SPECIFICALLY states it is a "Medu Neter "thread" and have been reading for months with hesitation to respond.

Why? Because I have already experienced the defensive nature that some folks react with to much of what I say.

Specifically relative to the initial post, I have mentioned before, years ago, RUNA's own affiliation past/or present with the Rosicrucian Society. If he was an initate in this ORDER then that means he reached a certain level RELATIVE to other WHITE PEOPLE in the very same order.

Long before RUNA wrote the "Medu Neter" he wrote the BOOK OF THOTH.

THOTH.

Not TEHUTI.

And it was based upon an earlier book written by Aliester Crowley, a white Egyptologist.

There have been many attempts by AAS members to deny the existence of this earlier writing and also RUNA's early relationship to the Rosirucians.

So, it is no wonder to me why this brother at afrochat would be butting heads with you. All he is suggesting is the same treatment that RUNA was given at an earlier period before founding the AAS.

"[This Book] shall make him to know how he came into being in the beginning. This Book is indeed a veritable mystery. Let no stranger anywhere have knowledge of it. Do not speak about it to any man."

If this is to be taken literally then there is to be NO "discussion" concerning This Book.

"Do not repeat it. Let no [other] eye see it. Let no [othe] ear hear it. Let no one see it except [thyself] and him who taught [it to thee]. Let not the multitude [know of it] except thyself and the beloved of thy heart."

If this is to be taken literally then I AM not to repeat what it says, let no one see or hear what I have been TAUGHT except by the Beloved of my HEART.

Certainly, I AM instruced NOT to discuss This Book openly in an internet forum and if the words here are Maa Kheru then how in the world is this discussed OPENLY on the internet.

I leave you in Peace.

Hotep!

Postcript:

I must also add that the full text of the forementioned was,

The Oracle of Thoth:The Kabalistical Tarot

Another earlier text was:

Meditation Techniques of the Kabalists, Vendantins and Taoists, written in 1976.

Therefore, the Paut Neter [Tree of Life] as detailed by RUNA may not be based upon the Kabalistic writing but it is relative and this is certainly no secret to white people as evidenced by withe entertainers such as Madonna.

can you tell us a little about the Rosirucians?

We each walk the path we were birthed into this age to follow. Follow it, as you must, and you will arrive where you were meant to be.

Along your Way, some will say what they were birthed into this age to say to you, to shape your Way. Just flow with the rhythm inside you that seems natural. It will guide you to that which you must accept, and that which you must reject.

The beauty of the Divine Plan. You are not alone. The One walks with you, structuring all events in this life for your benefit.
are you a member of the ausar auset society? are you initiated into the priesthood?

can you tell us a little about the Rosirucians?
In all respect I would rather provide you with an article which has a direct link which is relative to the Rosicucians.

I have my own information base which I can not go into but it translates as the Rosey Cross [Rosae Crucis].

It was an order related to the Scottish ROSS Clan [family] which is part of my bloodline. I can give no further detail.

http://www.answers.com/topic/ausar-auset-society

In all respect I would rather provide you with an article which has a direct link which is relative to the Rosicucians.

I have my own information base which I can not go into but it translates as the Rosey Cross [Rosae Crucis].

It was an order related to the Scottish ROSS Clan [family] which is part of my bloodline. I can give no further detail.

http://www.answers.com/topic/ausar-auset-society


Here is another link.

http://www.harbour.sfu.ca/~hayward/van/glossary/rosey.html

As it states, "The Rosicrucian system attempts to provide a foundation tying together all aspects of metaphysical study, and tries to demonstrate their interconnectedness."

Many of the Knights Templars were of this Order and their early members worshipped the Black Madonna figures [over 300] in southern France. Of course, this was an early worship of Auset and MAAT or Heru which was NOT related to Christianity because the Order itself pre-dated christianity.

"Mysticism and Rosicrucianism today are a result of the Ancient Mystery Schools of Egypt."

"Our Study Centers today for Rosicrucianism are still considered Mystery Schoolds."

"Some ancient evidence of the symbols of the Rosy Cross have been found in Egypt."

http://salemos.tripod.com/index-12a.html

Here is another link.

http://www.harbour.sfu.ca/~hayward/van/glossary/rosey.html

As it states, "The Rosicrucian system attempts to provide a foundation tying together all aspects of metaphysical study, and tries to demonstrate their interconnectedness."

Many of the Knights Templars were of this Order and their early members worshipped the Black Madonna figures [over 300] in southern France. Of course, this was an early worship of Auset and MAAT or Heru which was NOT related to Christianity because the Order itself pre-dated christianity.

"Mysticism and Rosicrucianism today are a result of the Ancient Mystery Schools of Egypt."

"Our Study Centers today for Rosicrucianism are still considered Mystery Schoolds."

"Some ancient evidence of the symbols of the Rosy Cross have been found in Egypt."

http://salemos.tripod.com/index-12a.html


The LAST thing I will say to this is that after doing further study over the past year I SEE why there is a relatively small group which has attempted to denounce the Pharaoh Amenhotep IV [Akhenaten].

Amenhotep IV is a rether prominant figure in the Rosicrucian Handbook and it was through successive genrations that His teachings passed through the bloodline of one of his daughters, and this knowledge was inscribed in the temples and on the monuments he erected that were later destroyed. This explains why IS HIS bloodline in which the egyptologists spend most of their time digging up and deciphering because they are attempting to stay connected to the Heart-Centre which produced the Order.

It was from their symbolism that Hitler used the Swastica and in Dr. Ben's "Black Man of the Nile" he explained this rather extensively using the SAME smbols contained in the Rosicrucian Manual.

Te Historian J.A. Rogers in his volume "Sex and Race" was a further eploration of this inter-connectedness between the Kabalistic-Vendanti-Taoists tradition from Kemet which is why he photographed much of the same symbolism when e travelled to Palestine, China, India and Egypt. Which is why his books were banned and much of his work was published by his wife after his death.

An variation of the Paut Neter is their usage of the "Seven Symbols of St. John" which biblically is translated as the "Seven Spirits".

This equates to HALF of the Body of knowledge of Ausar [Osiris] and if one obtains the other HALF one is fully equipped with all 14 parts, and the most important is the PHALLUS which is why these societies ALL were based upon "phallic symbolism".

I do not see where this thread SPECIFICALLY states it is a "Medu Neter "thread" and have been reading for months with hesitation to respond.

Why? Because I have already experienced the defensive nature that some folks react with to much of what I say.

Specifically relative to the initial post, I have mentioned before, years ago, RUNA's own affiliation past/or present with the Rosicrucian Society. If he was an initate in this ORDER then that means he reached a certain level RELATIVE to other WHITE PEOPLE in the very same order.

(I have a Masters in Social Work...other whites have Masters in Social work but are we social working for the same purposes?)
Bro Omo...This does not "appear" to be a fair assessment. Appearances can be misleading. I've gone to school, contradicted myself, refined, joined other groups etc but should (Although I know it CAN be) the details of my growth and developement be used as a weapon of criticism against me? Is there anything "quoting" Shekhem ur Shekhem as having prior allegiance to the Rosicrucians. Even if he was his experience with them could have been just enough for him to see how poorly they were representing the African sciences; causing him to conclude that "Blacks" are the true beings to take these practices into fruition as they are the original architects. "There are many dimensions behind an intention" , When and *IF* he reached a specific "Level" that was adjusted to be similar to other Whites he may have actually realized how stifling or rigid that level was or even trumped up to really be a more polished version of the Sahu division he later spoke of. There are so many ways one can speculate. The forum question is not whether we embrace the Metu Neter by RUNA (some have some haven't ...it serves the users purpose and is not antagonistic to the African Agenda ) it is whether the Author presented material in the book that "suggest" we embrace white people or whether that is even an objective to entertain amongst the more important aspects of the readings.

In your reading (in all humility) of the Metu Neter did you get that the author is guiding us towards embracing whites so we can all be apart of the big Rosy Cross fam? If it has ...can you show me where and then how; considering the interdependency of the books intentions?

The forum question is not whether we embrace the Metu Neter by RUNA, it is whether the Author presented material in the book that "suggest" we embrace white people...
thank you...

LOOK FOOL ME ONCE OR TWICE THAT IS OK BUT MORE THAN THAT MAKES ME THE FOOL...NOW WHEN WILL WE UNDERSTAND... IT IS TIME FOR USE TO STOP BEING FOOLED!

DIDN'T I SAY LOVE IS FLEETING BUT THE CHASE/LUV FOR MONEY AND LUST IS STRONGER THAN LUV...once we understand this we can begin to correct our actions!...

LET'S EMBRACE OUR BLACKNESS AND MOVE FORWARD!! PEACE AND LOVE

PS...I will NOT and cannot embrace them fully until they come off the reparations and stop raping MAMA AFRICA...TRUST AND RESPECT IS EARNED ...ESPECIALLY WHEN WE KNOW OUR HISTORY!!!:hammer:

LOOK FOOL ME ONCE OR TWICE THAT IS OK BUT MORE THAN THAT MAKES ME THE FOOL...NOW WHEN WILL WE UNDERSTAND... IT IS TIME FOR USE TO STOP BEING FOOLED!

DIDN'T I SAY LOVE IS FLEETING BUT THE CHASE/LUV FOR MONEY AND LUST IS STRONGER THAN LUV...once we understand this we can begin to correct our actions!...

LET'S EMBRACE OUR BLACKNESS AND MOVE FORWARD!! PEACE AND LOVE

PS...I will NOT and cannot embrace them fully until they come off the reparations and stop raping MAMA AFRICA...TRUST AND RESPECT IS EARNED ...ESPECIALLY WHEN WE KNOW OUR HISTORY!!!:hammer:

Have you read the book? (Metu Neter)

(I have a Masters in Social Work...other whites have Masters in Social work but are we social working for the same purposes?)
Bro Omo...This does not "appear" to be a fair assessment. Appearances can be misleading. I've gone to school, contradicted myself, refined, joined other groups etc but should (Although I know it CAN be) the details of my growth and developement be used as a weapon of criticism against me? Is there anything "quoting" Shekhem ur Shekhem as having prior allegiance to the Rosicrucians. Even if he was his experience with them could have been just enough for him to see how poorly they were representing the African sciences; causing him to conclude that "Blacks" are the true beings to take these practices into fruition as they are the original architects. "There are many dimensions behind an intention" , When and *IF* he reached a specific "Level" that was adjusted to be similar to other Whites he may have actually realized how stifling or rigid that level was or even trumped up to really be a more polished version of the Sahu division he later spoke of. There are so many ways one can speculate. The forum question is not whether we embrace the Metu Neter by RUNA (some have some haven't ...it serves the users purpose and is not antagonistic to the African Agenda ) it is whether the Author presented material in the book that "suggest" we embrace white people or whether that is even an objective to entertain amongst the more important aspects of the readings.

In your reading (in all humility) of the Metu Neter did you get that the author is guiding us towards embracing whites so we can all be apart of the big Rosy Cross fam? If it has ...can you show me where and then how; considering the interdependency of the books intentions?

Brother, Im no longer going to debate that which is known FACT. There are books written, many of which are out of print, in which R.A. Straughn had a KNOWN association with the Rosicrucians.

I did not say that he PRESENTLY suggests "embracing" white people. The point is, at one point THEY embraced him.

If today some of you want to deny and keep "hidden" this PAST association it is your right to do so. But it is this tendency which has me leaning more towards the teachings of the Shetuat Neter and the Earth Center.

Again, you people take way to defensive a position to anything that suggests RUNA is not "all that" HE "appears". Perhaps I have some material in my posession, that I obtained PRIOR TO him writing the Medu Neter and some other material written the Rosicrucians or the "ancients" and an independently determine the inter-connectedness of each and every.

The TRUTH is UNIVERSAL and not confined to any on race, faith or secretive "society".

Again, I did NOT even suggest embracing whites. I attempted to EXPLAIN why the bother in question may be doing so, with the same knowledge of this PAST association that I mentioned.

Peace...

thank you...

brother jamesfromphilly,

I suggest you go back and look at our initial QUESTION.

Part of your post was a STATEMENT, then you asked a question having to do with "warriors in khemetic society"

However, since you now are limiting this to a "medu neter discussion" I shall leave in peace.


Since I do not LIVE in a "kemetic society" nor do I forSEE living in one in the future, I am not able to answer this QUESTION directly.

It seems to be rather meta-physical on one hand and super-ficial, on the other.

"the Ausarian approach to resolving family conflicts --- Embrace the God within your enemy until your enemy becomes your friend"

i'm butting heads with somebody over at afrochat who claims to be at the level of ausar and who tells me that we should embrace white people.
she says that is what the metu neter says to do.

i have a problem with that.

is there no room for warriors in khemetic society?



The Bro Elder James has stated that someone who claims they are at the Ausar level is claiming that The Metu Neter states we should embrace white people.

Another question is "Is there any room for warriors in a Khemetic society?"

I realize this isn't MLA or APA

The forum question is in regards to what has been presented in Shekhem Ur Shekhem's book and if there are any inquries/scrutiny into RUNA history/background, it should be created as a separate thread as not to deter from the focus of the thread.

This particular issue will be enforced by requesting the author of the tangent to create another forum or refrain from posting further. If the author continues to purposely deter from the focus of the forums question after warning (which this is) then they will eventually be banned.

All criticism, scrutiny, analysis, dichotomizing, etc is encouraged as long as we telescope our focus to complement the integrity of the forum's purpose.


Thanks Fam

can you tell us a little about the Rosirucians?
I believe that what I did was in direct response to the question above that was directed to ME.

Do as you must.

sounds like a blast of predestination hot air to me. but what would i know, my feet touch the ground when i walk
What is predestined, I think, is that you and I would lock horns at this particular time in both of our journeys. I think we round off certain edges in each other's personalities.

By the way, there is no insurmountable reason that your feet have to touch the ground. Just jump up and refuse to accept that you have to come back down.

there is no reason that your feet have to touch the ground..
are you a member of the ausar auset society?
have you been initiated?

What is predestined, I think, is that you and I would lock horns at this particular time in both of our journeys. I think we round off certain edges in each other's personalities.

By the way, there is no insurmountable reason that your feet have to touch the ground. Just jump up and refuse to accept that you have to come back down.
(Trying to move past the obvious about identifying with the person)
Bro Is..You seem to speak of Geb (exclusively) from the perspective of it being a prison (IT IS only for the sebau). In regards to your statement about the feet touching the ground and refusing to accept that you have to come back down, could you elaborate further on the necessity (as the Book provides...Pg 191 Anuk Ausar ) of the proper care of the life force? Also the book mentions "Attention must be given to it's replenishment, conservation, free flow, and equilibrium of its modalities and phases"
I know that the consumation of the Mundane and spiritual is a dualistic yet unitary experience. What "my person" may witness The Ausar (hypothetically) doing may immediately cause my person to classify into categories of right and wrong; especially in the matters of justice (The restoration of balance). The Ausar may just be acting out what is necessary for the particular circumstance. Who is to determine or judge The Ausar if he is involved in a situation where it "appears" he is "Kung fu" ing someone out of violent aggression? { A forest fire or Hurricane may come across violently but it is a force that also has its relevance at the sphere of Sekert.}

Another point I wanted to bring out is covered on pg 155 of Anuk Ausar:

"The goal of initiation is to develop spiritual powers for the sake of establishing a harmonious social order.The African initiate is not a recluse unconcerned with society (Which is usually concerned with the Feet..coincidentally a symbol on the Geb sesh Metut). In all stages of initiation -Auset, Heru, Ausar-the initiate is concerned with personal growth for the sake of the social order. Any clear minded person can easily see that you cannot separate the well being of the individual-spiritual-POLITICAL (see Yurugu) , economic, etc-from the social political condition."

The Ausar man is not unconcerned with THE WAY in which THE DUALITY plays itself out throughTHE DETAILS (logistics) of physical experience ......He just does not identify with it which is key. Each individual the Ausar man comes incontact with is a VESSEL and therefore what the vessel sees as killing or violent acts can just as well be a restoration of balance since the Ausar man knows he cannot essentially harm or oppose his/herself.

In relation to the pronounced *8* 7,9 and 10 relationship on the Paut Neteru (SET), Yurugu (A read that further crystallizes the political aspect of this imbalance) tells us that the mask is the illusion of RACE that we must look beyond to see the true nature of the enemy....YURUGU. We must not allow this same faculty to instigate a division between us regarding the definition of "Embrace".


-We must always look at it in terms of the Asili- ANI

are you a member of the ausar auset society?
have you been initiated?

Destee.com is the closest thing to an esoteric organization I have joined in the last 15 years.

Destee.com is the closest thing to an esoteric organization I have joined in the last 15 years.
where does your in depth knowledge of the metu neter come from?

..You seem to speak of Geb (exclusively) from the perspective of it being a prison (IT IS only for the sebau). In regards to your statement about the feet touching the ground and refusing to accept that you have to come back down, could you elaborate further on the necessity (as the Book provides...Pg 191 Anuk Ausar ) of the proper care of the life force?
I like the way you provide such intriguing segues. Vol I of the Metu Neter defines sebau as:

"all individuals whose lives are determined by earth-borne information, as opposed to spiritual teachings, and the intuitions from the wisdom faculty, Tehuti."
Hence, you see the intrigue inherent in asking someone who uses a image of Tehuti in his messages about feet having to touch the ground.

When I said, to my good buddy jamesfromphilly, that his feet do not have to touch the ground, all I was doing was restating, symbolically, RUNA's definition of sebau. If you are sebau, if your life is determined by earth-borne information [such as gravity], then, yes, when you jump up, you will come back down.

On the other hand, if you listen to that Tehuti-wannabe guy, and you intuit that your live is determined by spiritual teachings [such as those from the Metu Neter, or Christ], then, yes, you might just one day decide to jump up and not come back down.

from "MAAT - The 11 Laws of God"
"It is not what you think or what you affirm. It is who is thinking and affirming. Are you human or a divine being?"
If you are human, when you jump up, yes, you will come back down. But ... if you are divine:

Mark 11:23"For verily I say unto you, That whosoever shall say unto this mountain, Be thou removed, and be thou cast into the sea; and shall not doubt it in his heart, but shall beleive that those things which he said shall come to pass, he shall have whatever he saith. Therefore, I say unto you, What things soever you desire, when you pray, believe that you receive them, and you shall have them."
Another point I wanted to bring out is covered on pg 155 of Anuk Ausar:

"The goal of initiation is to develop spiritual powers for the sake of establishing a harmonious social order.The African initiate is not a recluse unconcerned with society (Which is usually concerned with the Feet..coincidentally a symbol on the Geb sesh Metut). In all stages of initiation -Auset, Heru, Ausar-the initiate is concerned with personal growth for the sake of the social order. Any clear minded person can easily see that you cannot separate the well being of the individual-spiritual-POLITICAL (see Yurugu) , economic, etc-from the social political condition."
Who would you prefer to take out your appendix? Someone with good intentions, of a doctor? A doctor must, first, work on himself, make himself wise, and, then, he will best be able to fix what is wrong.

There are lots of black folks with good intentions. But, to win this war, we will need divine beings, not human beings with good intentions. If going through AAS initiation results in someone realizing their divinity, that is great.

But, we must not become like the Christians. We must avoid the tendency to become religious bigots who insists that only OUR Way leads to the kingdom of heaven.

In relation to the pronounced *8* 7,9 and 10 relationship on the Paut Neteru (SET), Yurugu (A read that further crystallizes the political aspect of this imbalance) tells us that the mask is the illusion of RACE that we must look beyond to see the true nature of the enemy....YURUGU. We must not allow this same faculty to instigate a division between us regarding the definition of "Embrace".


-We must always look at it in terms of the Asili- ANI
White folks are a symptom of the problem, not the root problem. If all whites dropped dead right now, our world is full of non-white scoundrels [Justice Thomas, Condi, Kibaki, Musharraf, Abdullahi Yusuf Ahmed, al-Bashir] who would leap up, immediately, to assume the role of Massa.

Yes, by all means, look at the problem in terms of the Asili. But, note that Marimba Ani defined Asili, not as white people, but as the defining seed of European culture. Follow that seed back to its beginning and you will find --- black people. Black people who, while isolated from the rest of humanity, for 1000s of years, devolved back to certain aggresive excesses best left to other species of the animal kingdom.

Fortunately, Divine Order had a cure for their devolution. Through natural selection, they should have been bred out of the human race millenia ago. Instead, they created a religion [now going by the name of Christianity, but having little to do with the true teachings of Christ] out of their now white skin and developed certain asinine notions about keeping their now white blood line pure.

But ... they are still us and we are them. There is a unitary bond [ubuntu] between all men that can never be broken.

Also, do not ever forget that black people became them once before and we could become them again if we are not careful. We have to consciously resist the Ice Man's aggresive animalistic tendencies [hate, violence, racial superiority, obsession with material possesions].

Destee.com is the closest thing to an esoteric organization I have joined in the last 15 years.


istlota,

In this respect, I agree with your disposition, however, I am puzzled at why you would begin a thread: Black Supremacy, and then abandon it, please respond!

Please excuse me jamesfrmphilly and Fam for going off-topic!

where does your in depth knowledge of the metu neter come from?
Spiritual teachings [Corpus Hermeticum, Bhagavad Gita, Bible, Upanishads, Metu Neter vol I & II, MAAT - The 11 Laws of God, Dead Sea scrolls, Nag Hammadi] and intuitions from the wisdom facility, Tehuti.

istlota,

In this respect, I agree with your disposition, however, I am puzzled at why you would begin a thread: Black Supremacy, and then abandon it, please respond!

Please excuse me jamesfrmphilly and Fam for going off-topic!


This thread was started by someone else to elicit discussion about certain comments he claimed I made in another forum. As you can see from what I write here, I consider embracing/love of ALL people, including whites, to be syncretic with the teachings to be found in the Metu Neter, which is why I have written so much about the Metu Neter.

I also consider the love of ALL to be syncretic with the teachings of Jesus, so I have quoted from the bible.

I have tried to distance my reverence of the teachings of Jesus from Christianity, which perhaps is off topic. But, it is extremely important to me that those who read my messages understand that I am not another one of the many Christians on the net who quote from the bible without having a clue about what Jesus was REALLY talking about. Most of the teachings of Jesus, not Christianity, are syncretic with the Metu Neter.

This thread was started by someone else to elicit discussion about certain comments he claimed I made in another forum. As you can see from what I write here, I consider embracing/love of ALL people, including whites, to be syncretic with the teachings to be found in the Metu Neter, which is why I have written so much about the Metu Neter.

I also consider the love of ALL to be syncretic with the teachings of Jesus, so I have quoted from the bible.

I have tried to distance my reverence of the teachings of Jesus from Christianity, which perhaps is off topic. But, it is extremely important to me that those who read my messages understand that I am not another one of the many Christians on the net who quote from the bible without having a clue about what Jesus was REALLY talking about. Most of the teachings of Jesus, not Christianity, are syncretic with the Metu Neter.


istlota,

:bowdown: :teach: :bowdown:

This thread was started by someone else to elicit discussion about certain comments he claimed I made in another forum. As you can see from what I write here, I consider embracing/love of ALL people, including whites, to be syncretic with the teachings to be found in the Metu Neter, which is why I have written so much about the Metu Neter.

I also consider the love of ALL to be syncretic with the teachings of Jesus, so I have quoted from the bible.

I have tried to distance my reverence of the teachings of Jesus from Christianity, which perhaps is off topic. But, it is extremely important to me that those who read my messages understand that I am not another one of the many Christians on the net who quote from the bible without having a clue about what Jesus was REALLY talking about. Most of the teachings of Jesus, not Christianity, are syncretic with the Metu Neter.


:teach:

Who would you prefer to take out your appendix? Someone with good intentions, of a doctor?
are you, in fact, a doctor? may we examine your credentials before we go under the knife?

are you, in fact, a doctor? may we examine your credentials before we go under the knife?
If you are asking me if I am a medical doctor, I am not.

If you are asking me if I am divine/Ausar, let me say this. Within each of us, you and I included, their is a Divine Spark. The only reason for anyone to "not" be Ausar is that they have forgotten about their Divine Spark -- have forgotten who they are. Unfortunately, most of us have forgotten who we are. Hence, the admonition of the ancients to Know Self.

When I "see" you, I see the enormous potential that you have for good --- the Divine Spark within you. I "see" the real you, pure and perfect, and far removed from the reactionary exterior that speaks of the efficacy of hate and violence.

You are BETTER than that, James.

Spiritual teachings [Corpus Hermeticum, Bhagavad Gita, Bible, Upanishads, Metu Neter vol I & II, MAAT - The 11 Laws of God, Dead Sea scrolls, Nag Hammadi] and intuitions from the wisdom facility, Tehuti.

Greetings Istlota,

Just out of curiosity which brain circuit are you operating from? When you answer the question please tell me why you feel like you are operating at that particular circuit.

Also since I've never had the experience myself, how does it feel to possess or rather channel Tehuti?

Peace,
Belsidus

The Bhagavad Gita is a facet of Hindu Literature, and the religion of Hinduism cannot be separated from the Aryan conquest of the Africoid peoples of ancient India, and the apportionment of caste as a means of "keeping the dark ones in their place". Hinduism is a religious belief system that perpetuates a vicious and oppressive caste system, where people of our complexion and hair texture are perceived in the religion as not being human beings…. There is no shortage of material to substantiate this. Most African Americans, under that belief system, would be considered to be Shudras, a servant caste created from "Gods" feet.

How can the literature from a belief system, that like the early American Constitution which categorized as a fraction of human being, considers us as being born to serve those of a lighter hue, be a tool for our spiritual growth. Have those of you who are promoting this idea ever lived in a society where the majority population or those in power are of that religious creed? Do you know anything about the experiences of the black people of Fiji, or of Guyana, or of certain parts of the Cape of South Africa. And please do not tell me that they are misinterpreting what is written. The stratification clearly orders that Brahmins (Priestly class; created from god's head) Kshatriyas (Ruling classes; created from god's arms) Vaishyas(Business classes; created from god's belly and thighs) are born into "forward" castes, while the remaining dark skinned masses are born into backward castes.

Look religion is 100% cultural in my purview, so I expect each order to favor those for whom it was created. But I have a problem with the cherry picking of prose because it sounds good, especially when it was not coined with us in mind. For example, it would be incongrous for any black person two hundred years hence to find inspirational value in the enunciation, "you are all Gods people with good hearts", when such enunciation can provably be credited to David Duke before an audience of Klu Klux Klansmen in 2007. I would consider that a facet of the "massa we sick" syndrome.

The only reason for anyone to "not" be Ausar is that they have forgotten about their Divine Spark -- have forgotten who they are.
the reason to "not be ausar" would be that you have not gone through initiation


When I "see" you, I see the enormous potential that you have for good --- the Divine Spark within you. I "see" the real you, pure and perfect,
that is fascinating as i have been working for over a year to contact and remain in touch with my indwelling intelligence.
yet, you can see it over the internet.
do you accept disciples?

i notice that there are a number of people who offer deep interpretations of the metu neter and sagely advice without being initiated and never being a member of the ausar auset society. as a matter of fact there seems to be everyone on the web except AAS members and priests.

what to make of this? is there no more to it than a sharp memory for quoting the text and a smooth delivery?

is there no more to it than a sharp memory for quoting the text and a smooth delivery?

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Abena (truetothecause),

:bowdown: :teach: :bowdown:

does one read and memorize the texts and then commence to giving out advice or is there more to it? is it deeper than that?

i certainly advise the reading and study of the metu neter but does the mere reading of the text constitute a spiritual trans formation?
can anyone and everyone remember that they are god and become a sage?
is it no deeper than that?

how is it that jesus has now wormed his way into kamitic texts? is he everywhere? is there no escape?

inquiring minds want to know.

does one read and memorize the texts and then commence to giving out advice or is there more to it? is it deeper than that?

i certainly advise the reading and study of the metu neter but does the mere reading of the text constitute a spiritual trans formation?
can anyone and everyone remember that they are god and become a sage?
is it no deeper than that?

how is it that jesus has now wormed his way into kamitic texts? is he everywhere? is there no escape?

inquiring minds want to know.

jamesfrmphilly,

:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

You have said these words with your own mouth!

It is amazing how the mind can make reality its own. It is a truly under rated gift. :)

Destee.com is the closest thing to an esoteric organization I have joined in the last 15 years.

Brother Istlota ... i had to go and look up esoteric ... :)

We are honored ... thank you! ... :bowdown:

I'm a bit reluctant to ask, but want to know, what moved you to join us after so many years of not doing so with others?

Thanks in advance.

:heart:

Destee

Greetings Istlota,

Just out of curiosity which brain circuit are you operating from? When you answer the question please tell me why you feel like you are operating at that particular circuit.
I do not know what you mean by brain circuit. There is only one consciousness, which is Divine. The brain, being physical, can not be that Divine Consciousness, which is spirit.

Also since I've never had the experience myself, how does it feel to possess or rather channel Tehuti?
It is built into the cycle of life and death that, when we are reborn into this age, we do not remember our previous lives, except as vague flashes of "deja vu" or perhaps in a dream. Some people claim that they remember being Cleopatra, or Alexander the Great, or Ramtha, or some other historical figure. But, I have never had such thoughts.

how is it that jesus has now wormed his way into kamitic texts? is he everywhere? is there no escape?
There is Only One Begotten Son of God. This One and Only Begotten Son of God is spirit, not flesh. There was a time when It incarnated in the flesh as the man the bible refers to as Jesus. Some religions say it also has incarnated in the flesh as other men, such as Muhammed or Lord Krisha. And, some think It will incarnate again as the Mahdi.

We, all of us, even the most pious of Southern Baptist fundamentalist Christians, have had moments when we looked at that man screaming and dancing behind the pulpit --- arrayed in purple and crimson, begging for money --- and we knew, we just knew, something inside of us [the Divine Self] just knew that something about what he was trying to sell us about Jesus just didn't sound right.

I mean, really. All you have to do is go before the church, say the Sinner's Prayer, and then you get to go to heaven no matter what sort of wicked, depraved, demonic acts you commit afterwards?

Is it no wonder that White Supremacists have chosen Constantine's version of Christianity as their religion of choice --- a religion that says they can kill, torture, enslave, rape, burn women at the stake --- nuke two major cities ---cut off the genitals of black men, sodomize young white boys, shove objects up other men's anuses, and yet STILL spend eternity in heaven?

Fairy tales.

But, at the same time, we also KNEW that there was a God, somewhere, that She loved us, and that It wanted us to be with him.

The reason that this Jesus keeps popping up, in the Metu Neter, and the Upanishads, and the Quran, and the Bible, and the Bhagavad Gita, is that Jesus is NOT who all those dancing and screaming preachers say He is. Jesus is the Divine Self. This Jesus, who referred to himself as the Amen in Revelations 3:14, is One with the the Godhead/Atum-Ptah-Ra/Brahman AND this Jesus is One with the true essence of man - the Self.

There is no escaping this Jesus because Jesus is US - the Real You, the Divine Self. This does not mean that man replaces God, as some deluded souls think. No, this means that man and God are One.

God the Father, gave a message to the Only Begotten Son of God, who incarnated as Jesus and explained it to us in a biblical verse that Constantine's Christians have always known about, but never understood:

John 17:21
That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us, that the world may believe that thou has sent me.

Metu Neter - Vol 2, page 183, regarding the 1st Level of Initiation
"The early Catholic Church also devised means of generating sorrow for God in their followers through their Passion Plays, which were dramatizations of the death of Jesus. Unfortunately, they failed to understand that the sorrow had to be connected to the remorse felt by the individual for his/her acts against the God within. It is ourselves, when we engage in the deception of ourselves and others to enable us to indulge in our lower passions [ISTLOTA: i.e., hate, violence, anger, fear], that are the 'killers' of the God within. It is ourselves that keep the God from rising into our hearts."

Bhagavad Gita 15:15-18
"... All the scriptures lead to me; I AM their author and their wisdom. In this world, there are two orders of being: the perishable, separate creature and the changeless spirit. But beyond these there is another, the supreme Self, the eternal Lord, who enters into the entire cosmos and supports it from within. I AM that supreme Self, praised by the scriptures as beyond the changing and the changeless. Those who see in me that supreme Self see truly."

The Bhagavad Gita is a facet of Hindu Literature, and the religion of Hinduism cannot be separated from the Aryan conquest of the Africoid peoples of ancient India, and the apportionment of caste as a means of "keeping the dark ones in their place".
There were Dravidians living in the Harappa Valley when the Aryans first arrived. And, there is no historical record of an Aryan religion, predating their invasion of the Harappa Valley, that even remotely resembles Hinduism. It is INCONCEIVABLE that Aryans wrote the Gita from scratch. Clearly, they took existing oral Dravidian beliefs and mixed in Aryan corruptions such as the caste system.

I have no use for, and see no value in, the Hindu caste system. But, I do recognize great value in the original Dravidian concepts which still can be found within the Gita. They are easy to recognize because of their syncrety with other African belief systems. The Hindu concept of Oneness is identical to Ubuntu.

And, I agree with Muata Ashby, and Ra Un Nefer Amen, that the concept of karma originated in KMT, not in the Harappa Valley, and certainly not with the Aryans. Aryans stole it and then dorked it up by mixing in racist notions regarding black folks being sudras because of sins in a past life.

Imagine that you own a big, shiny Lexus. Then, some white guy comes along, pees in it, and says it now belongs to him. What are you going to do? Are you going to just let him have your whip? Or, are you going to kick his trifling butt out of the driver's seat, run your ride though the car wash with the windows down to remove his corrupting funk, and then drive off into the sunset?

Hinduism is a religious belief system that perpetuates a vicious and oppressive caste system, where people of our complexion and hair texture are perceived in the religion as not being human beings…
Yes, that is true if its holy books are accepted as literal truth. Fundamentalist Christians make the same mistake by taking the bible literally. Errors creep into all holy books. Alas, the Infallible immortal Word is conveyed through fallible mortal vessels.

Look religion is 100% cultural in my purview, so I expect each order to favor those for whom it was created.
Since all religions are man-made, you are correct. But, there is One Supreme Being, above and beyond all religions, who is the One Source of Truth and Wisdom. Try the path I have chosen, which is to QUESTION EVERYTHING. That which does not hold up to a rigorous examination gets kicked to the curb. Hence, I completely ignore any references in the Gita, or the Upanishads, regarding castes. Ditto for Paul's remarks about women and slaves in the New Testament [Jesus never mentions such foolishness]. Ditto for the Old Testament concepts of Chosen People and Hated Esaus [Jesus never mentions such foolishness].

But I have a problem with the cherry picking of prose because it sounds good, especially when it was not coined with us in mind.
It would be unwise to throw out the baby with the bath water. Nor, would I accept my holy books blindly, as far too many Christians, Muslims, and Jews do. So, yes, I do cherry pick, which is the best of the available options. But, I do not cherry pick scriptures based on what sounds good, or what is best for "us". I sift through my holy books using what the Metu Neter calls the wisdom facility, Tehuti.

yes, I do cherry pick, which is the best of the available options. But, I do not cherry pick scriptures based on what sounds good, or what is best for "us".
I sift through my holy books using what the Metu Neter calls the wisdom facility, Tehuti.
sumtin don't smell right....:thinking:

I do not know what you mean by brain circuit. There is only one consciousness, which is Divine. The brain, being physical, can not be that Divine Consciousness, which is spirit.


It is built into the cycle of life and death that, when we are reborn into this age, we do not remember our previous lives, except as vague flashes of "deja vu" or perhaps in a dream. Some people claim that they remember being Cleopatra, or Alexander the Great, or Ramtha, or some other historical figure. But, I have never had such thoughts.

Greetings Islota,

First, you should have just answered you didn't know what I meant by brain circuit and left it at that. Also you are incorrect in your above statement in it's presentation. You CANNOT separate the physical from the spiritual. Someone can have a powerful spirit but may not be able to access that spirit on the physical plane. This is what brain circuits are for. It's the REAL key to spiritual advancement. For example, on the spiritual plane someone can be a real advanced soul but for several reasons they become stuck at the first circuit beyond it's normal duration. A person at first circuit is using only 2% of his brain capacity. This person, despite being advanced on the spiritual plane, will not be able to access that their spiritual self and quite frankly will be a self-centered knucklehead who will need extensive intervention in order to not be a danger in a civilized environment.

Also when I asked if you had possessed Tehuti, the question didn't have anything to do with a past life. You claimed to have read the Metu Neter. If you have, you should have known that I was referring to the Diety Tehuti. In other words that particular aspect of God which is a Consciousness different from say Heru. See, AAS is respected by other Afrikan Spiritual tradtions because they POSSESS ancestors and dieties. Anybody who has attended authentic Afrikan ritual can attest to this phenomenom. Trust me you would KNOW if you had possessed Tehuti or any other Diety. Particularly if you had possessed Tehuti, which you would have to be SIXTH circuit to do so effectively.

Brother, in the future it would be more spiritually mature to just answer yes or no and leave it at that.

Peace,
Belsidus

Walking the spiritual path is a very subtle process; it is not something to jump into naively.

There are numerous sidetracks, which lead to a distorted, ego-centered version of spirituality;

we can deceive ourselves into 'thinking' we are developing spiritually

when instead we are strengthening our egocentricity

through spiritual techniques.



-Chogyam Trungpa

"Cutting Through Spiritual Materialism"

Greetings Islota,

First, you should have just answered you didn't know what I meant by brain circuit and left it at that. Also you are incorrect in your above statement in it's presentation. You CANNOT separate the physical from the spiritual. Someone can have a powerful spirit but may not be able to access that spirit on the physical plane. This is what brain circuits are for. It's the REAL key to spiritual advancement. For example, on the spiritual plane someone can be a real advanced soul but for several reasons they become stuck at the first circuit beyond it's normal duration. A person at first circuit is using only 2% of his brain capacity. This person, despite being advanced on the spiritual plane, will not be able to access that their spiritual self and quite frankly will be a self-centered knucklehead who will need extensive intervention in order to not be a danger in a civilized environment.

Also when I asked if you had possessed Tehuti, the question didn't have anything to do with a past life. You claimed to have read the Metu Neter. If you have, you should have known that I was referring to the Diety Tehuti. In other words that particular aspect of God which is a Consciousness different from say Heru. See, AAS is respected by other Afrikan Spiritual tradtions because they POSSESS ancestors and dieties. Anybody who has attended authentic Afrikan ritual can attest to this phenomenom. Trust me you would KNOW if you had possessed Tehuti or any other Diety. Particularly if you had possessed Tehuti, which you would have to be SIXTH circuit to do so effectively.

Brother, in the future it would be more spiritually mature to just answer yes or no and leave it at that.

Peace,
Belsidus

Peace and Blessings Belsidus,

With all due respect, why ask "trick questions" ... those you already have the answer to?

Was it simply an attempt to discredit Brother Istlota?

I'm often left in dismay, when i see us having the information that we feel is necessary for each other to know, to grow, yet we put it in some sort of riddle or make it a game ... in these most dire times ... instead of just sharing what we know.

It appears that you only asked the question to make our Brother look bad, or less knowledgeable than your own self.

Of course i could be wrong, and look forward to you letting me know if i am.

Again, i mean no disrespect, just sharing my observation.

Much Love and Peace.

:heart:

Destee

Peace and Blessings Belsidus,

With all due respect, why ask "trick questions" ... those you already have the answer to?

Was it simply an attempt to discredit Brother Istlota?

I'm often left in dismay, when i see us having the information that we feel is necessary for each other to know, to grow, yet we put it in some sort of riddle or make it a game ... in these most dire times ... instead of just sharing what we know.

It appears that you only asked the question to make our Brother look bad, or less knowledgeable than your own self.

Of course i could be wrong, and look forward to you letting me know if i am.

Again, i mean no disrespect, just sharing my observation.

Much Love and Peace.

:heart:

Destee
if a person pontificates and offers sagely advice and issues their interpretation of the text is it not permissible to check their bonifides? i, for one, found the exchange very educational. we have to be careful as there seems to be a large number of uninitiated folk who will be happy to lead the people down the wrong path.

Greetings Sister Destee,

First of all, I didn't ask a trick question. If he didn't know the answers he should have just said so. I didn't know whether he knew about brain circuits, which are very important for true spiritual development. The question was straight forward.

Then the question about Tehuti is extremely important because Istlota is claiming to read religious texts using the Tehuti facility. Tehuti is the level of the Sage, for your reference the same level as Jesus. Someone truly using the Tehuti facility would be able to literally take on the persona of the energy or as is said in the spiritual community, POSSESS Tehuti. It's not something to be taken lightly.

As Bro. Jamesfromphilly pointed out, many people are led down the wrong path as far as spirituality. It's nothing wrong with checking someone's qualifications. It's a normal practice in the Afrikan Spiritual and Metaphysical Communities. If Istlota was at a lecture, poetry spot, bookstore, or even a ritual he would come under GREATER scrutiny. Readings would be done on him, people would ask their Ancestors about him, and some people would just read his aura.

With all due respect sister you really need to let the man stand up for himself. If this brother can tap into Tehuti it shouldn't be a problem for him to tap into Heru or Heru Khuti.

Peace,
Belsidus

if a person pontificates and offers sagely advice and issues their interpretation of the text is it not permissible to check their bonifides? i, for one, found the exchange very educational. we have to be careful as there seems to be a large number of uninitiated folk who will be happy to lead the people down the wrong path.

Brother James ... most everything found in this community is folk offering their advice and interpretations regarding said discussions. This Brother has done no more than you and all the rest of us do, which is totally welcome. In addition, no one is required to believe a word found here, nor follow any paths suggested.

:heart:

Destee

Greetings Sister Destee,

First of all, I didn't ask a trick question. If he didn't know the answers he should have just said so. I didn't know whether he knew about brain circuits, which are very important for true spiritual development. The question was straight forward.

Then the question about Tehuti is extremely important because Istlota is claiming to read religious texts using the Tehuti facility. Tehuti is the level of the Sage, for your reference the same level as Jesus. Someone truly using the Tehuti facility would be able to literally take on the persona of the energy or as is said in the spiritual community, POSSESS Tehuti. It's not something to be taken lightly.

As Bro. Jamesfromphilly pointed out, many people are led down the wrong path as far as spirituality. It's nothing wrong with checking someone's qualifications. It's a normal practice in the Afrikan Spiritual and Metaphysical Communities. If Istlota was at a lecture, poetry spot, bookstore, or even a ritual he would come under GREATER scrutiny. Readings would be done on him, people would ask their Ancestors about him, and some people would just read his aura.

With all due respect sister you really need to let the man stand up for himself. If this brother can tap into Tehuti it shouldn't be a problem for him to tap into Heru or Heru Khuti.

Peace,
Belsidus

Brother Belsidus ... ?? ... i hope i got that right, but if not, please let me know.

Brother ... i'm not trying to stand up for him, for surely he's able to do that himself. My concern was simply that he's come here and is sharing with us like everyone else, and it appeared that you were trying to discredit him. I probably would have said the same thing to any other Member (in any other discussion) doing the same, if i saw it.

I'm of the opinion, that if one knows of brain circuits, Tehuti, etc., and want to share that which they know, they will be discouraged to do so, because there will be those ready and waiting to shoot them down. The shooter may in fact have advanced knowledge of such things, able to teach and share, yet have not spoke on these things, but instead only waited to see who attempts such so they can prove themselves more knowledgeable. Why not share what you know of brain circuits, Tehuti, etc., instead of using your knowledge to discredit his?

Such behavior doesn't encourage the majority to take part, but instead, discourages.

I'm not familiar enough with any of this (Metu Neter) to actually argue / debate any of it, but it seems to me that those of you who are, would welcome and embrace each other, no matter the level one is on ... instead of trying to discredit each other.

Checking one's qualifications, and discrediting them, are two different things. If you have advanced knowledge in something, and you see or believe someone else has less, but are obviously striving in the same way, wouldn't the African thing to do, be to help them and not discourage them on their path?

For example, if i saw a Sister or Brother trying to add, and they got it wrong, i wouldn't try to embarrass them with a more difficult question like multiplication. I'd simply help them where i saw they needed help ... to bring them to the place where they could add, multiply, divide, everything. I'd certainly not do anything to make them look bad in front of everyone, possibly discouraging their desire to continue learning and sharing.

Oftentimes it's the Spirit in which we say and do things, that may or may not encourage another.

Based on what you've shared above, the way you responded is the normal way Metu Neter folk treat each other.

So please, don't mind me ... carry on.

Much Love and Peace.

:heart:

Destee

My personal opinion of what Bro Islota is bringing to the table is that his presention of The Ausar *appears* to be one dimensional or partial and seems to be more of a "Sebekian" approach to rationalizing circumstances in regards to *in-formation about The Ausar.* But I also realize this particular medium ( the internet; a communication modality) can only facilitate that type of degree of processing regarding this topic. I know that I could not provide a scripted account of what may have been the logical schema behind The Ausar's ultimate action or decision. I also know that it is not as simple as concluding we are all 1 and should be *objects* of the same energy infered by the word *Embrace*. Maat intuitively instructs one to become a loving person and that is not the same as saying this or that THING should be embraced or not. Being a loving person is not a position of weakness but of one who is in a clear state to intuit the intrinsic wisdom behind What will bring stabilty to a situation. Europeans (as a collective and explaned in the Metu Neter) operate exclusively from a entropic and disequilibrated aspect of the Paut Neteru which * dualistically* explains how the oneness at the level of Ausar gets translated into the battle of Heru against Set ...and initiates are prepared for that battle. I would surmise that the Ausar (shepsu) would be aware of these necessary degrees of understading and be cautious of teaching the uninitiated about how to interact on the physical plane in seeming difference regarding the inherent Oneness.

Checking one's qualifications, and discrediting them, are two different things. If you have advanced knowledge in something, and you see or believe someone else has less, but are obviously striving in the same way, wouldn't the African thing to do, be to help them and not discourage them on their path?
you are correct in what you say but what if the person who needs help is so caught up in their greatness that they shun every attempt? i have been talking to this cat for a long time and he is so confident that he is above us all it is near impossible to get through. what do you say to the one who is so hard?

failing to reach the brother is it not correct to then check his credentials?

Think about what is occurring here. Here we are, getting all upset and non-unified over what should be a joyous exchange of ideas. I mean, we are literally taking about Realizing Peace On Earth.

But, instead of rejoicing in our Oneness, we have become many. Why? Because of our dogged insistence that we MUST be the physical. And, since we think we see separate physical bodies, then we MUST be separate beings --- right?

Separate beings. Some [in the pulpit] being Ausar, others [in the choir] in the process of being initiated. And, the masses [the congregation], sitting at a lower level, havng to look up to see the pastor and the heavenly choir.

But, wait. I know this dream. We have been to this church before -- many times. Why don't you remember?

We have forgotten that we ARE divine. Be still and know that I [singular noun] AM [present, not future, tense verb] God.

you are correct in what you say but what if the person who needs help is so caught up in their greatness that they shun every attempt? i have been talking to this cat for a long time and he is so confident that he is above us all it is near impossible to get through. what do you say to the one who is so hard?

failing to reach the brother is it not correct to then check his credentials?

Brother James ... there will always be those that you or i can't reach. In such cases, i've found it's best to leave them like i found them, rather than tear them down because they aren't moved by what i say. It may not be meant for them to be moved by what i say, but instead, by what another says (even if that other is saying the exact same thing i said).

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Destee

Greetings Sister Destee,

It's not an issue of trying to discredit the brother. This brother is holding himself up as knowledgeable about a certain system which I'm very familiar with. All I did was ask him a question that a person who actually practiced this system could answer in two seconds and then take another hour to describe the experience. I'm referring to question about possessing Tehuti. Knowledge about the brain circuits and their relation to spiritual development is rare knowledge. Someone with integrity would have said they didn't know the answer and left it at that without adding commentary about what they thought I was talking about.

Now you say are not familiar with this information and that's honest and spiritually mature. Overstand though, this brother presenting himself as an expert on this knowledge is a very dangerous thing. As I said earlier in this thread the Metu Neter is only the tip of the iceberg. Some of the rest of the iceberg can be a very dangerous thing if presented or practiced incorrectly. I remember an AAS priest telling me a few years ago about an underground Netu Neter study group not affliated with AAS. There was a major concern because practicing some of the exercises in the book without proper guidance was considered dangerous. This group could have brought great harm to themselves and others as well.

There are a lot of people out here who have read a few books and think are an expert on spiritual matters. Consequently, they begin to share what they think to be knowledge with others and may even develop a following. All they have managed to do is interfere with someone's spiritual evolution which carries a steep penalty in the Afterlife Place. There really is a judgement which a spirit will have to make amends for in a future life.

Real spirituality is so much deeper and to be honest can't be found in any book, even the Metu Neter. The reading of books is only the FIRST level of spiritual development. A person has reached the second level when they can learn directly from the spirit realm.

Regarding the matter at hand, Istlota is sharing information of a spiritual nature. I or anybody else has every RIGHT to check his qualifications. If I'm telling a man how to get a woman, he has every right to ask if I have a woman. If someone is recommended to work on your car, you have every right to ask about the person's experience. If a surgeon is about to operate on you, you have every right to ask about their qualifications.

In the Afrikan Spiritual Community which includes AAS, Akan, Yoruba, Vodoun, Ewe, etc. a priest or priestess is always checked on their background before having them any spiritual work. It's highly recommended that a person gets references. In the more informal Metaphysical community anybody presenting information is questioned on their training.

For the record, a person can only discredit themself. If a person wants to say they have reached the level of Tehuti or Ausar that's cool. I or anybody else have the right to question them . If the person really is at a certain level or the they have mastered a particular spiritual system they should be able to answer questions regarding that system easily and quickly. Indeed they will welcome such questions because any true teacher encourages critical thinking.

Think on this.

Peace,
Belsidus

We have forgotten that we ARE divine.
from childhood i knew. i have always known. i was told different by adults around me. i did not forget nuthin....:qqb023:

Think about what is occurring here. Here we are, getting all upset and non-unified over what should be a joyous exchange of ideas. I mean, we are literally taking about Realizing Peace On Earth.

But, instead of rejoicing in our Oneness, we have become many. Why? Because of our dogged insistence that we MUST be the physical. And, since we think we see separate physical bodies, then we MUST be separate beings --- right?

Separate beings. Some [in the pulpit] being Ausar, others [in the choir] in the process of being initiated. And, the masses [the congregation], sitting at a lower level, havng to look up to see the pastor and the heavenly choir.

But, wait. I know this dream. We have been to this church before -- many times. Why don't you remember?

We have forgotten that we ARE divine. Be still and know that I [singular noun] AM [present, not future, tense verb] God.

Now tell me something brother. Have you ever truly EXPERIENCED the divine or spirit? What you are writing sounds good but it also sounds like someone looking at this on an intellectual level. That's part of the reason I asked if you had possessed Tehuti. That's connecting to spirit on a real level. Can you honestly tell us what it means to be divine?

Greetings Sister Destee,

It's not an issue of trying to discredit the brother. This brother is holding himself up as knowledgeable about a certain system which I'm very familiar with. All I did was ask him a question that a person who actually practiced this system could answer in two seconds and then take another hour to describe the experience. I'm referring to question about possessing Tehuti. Knowledge about the brain circuits and their relation to spiritual development is rare knowledge. Someone with integrity would have said they didn't know the answer and left it at that without adding commentary about what they thought I was talking about.

Now you say are not familiar with this information and that's honest and spiritually mature. Overstand though, this brother presenting himself as an expert on this knowledge is a very dangerous thing. As I said earlier in this thread the Metu Neter is only the tip of the iceberg. Some of the rest of the iceberg can be a very dangerous thing if presented or practiced incorrectly. I remember an AAS priest telling me a few years ago about an underground Netu Neter study group not affliated with AAS. There was a major concern because practicing some of the exercises in the book without proper guidance was considered dangerous. This group could have brought great harm to themselves and others as well.

There are a lot of people out here who have read a few books and think are an expert on spiritual matters. Consequently, they begin to share what they think to be knowledge with others and may even develop a following. All they have managed to do is interfere with someone's spiritual evolution which carries a steep penalty in the Afterlife Place. There really is a judgement which a spirit will have to make amends for in a future life.

Real spirituality is so much deeper and to be honest can't be found in any book, even the Metu Neter. The reading of books is only the FIRST level of spiritual development. A person has reached the second level when they can learn directly from the spirit realm.

Regarding the matter at hand, Istlota is sharing information of a spiritual nature. I or anybody else has every RIGHT to check his qualifications. If I'm telling a man how to get a woman, he has every right to ask if I have a woman. If someone is recommended to work on your car, you have every right to ask about the person's experience. If a surgeon is about to operate on you, you have every right to ask about their qualifications.

In the Afrikan Spiritual Community which includes AAS, Akan, Yoruba, Vodoun, Ewe, etc. a priest or priestess is always checked on their background before having them any spiritual work. It's highly recommended that a person gets references. In the more informal Metaphysical community anybody presenting information is questioned on their training.

For the record, a person can only discredit themself. If a person wants to say they have reached the level of Tehuti or Ausar that's cool. I or anybody else have the right to question them . If the person really is at a certain level or the they have mastered a particular spiritual system they should be able to answer questions regarding that system easily and quickly. Indeed they will welcome such questions because any true teacher encourages critical thinking.

Think on this.

Peace,
Belsidus

Brother Belsidus, thank you for the above. I hear, understand, and agree. I guess i'm a little sensitive regarding some things.

Some of what you've shared prompts me to ask a few questions, if you don't mind.

Is the Metu Neter like Christianity, in that there could be 'off-shoots' of it? Like Baptist, Lutheran, Catholic, etc.? People simply choosing to adjust it to some degree, to fit their needs, understanding, and life? Or is there only one true and right way? If there is only one true and right way, was this way revealed with the publication of the Metu Neter, or was the way practiced before the publication of the book? If so, how did they know what the right way was (without the book)? Sounds like i need to start a thread on the history of the Metu Neter.

Also, i'd like to ask, is the Metu Neter meant for all (Black) people? It seems so shrouded in mystery, making it difficult to understand and access for the average (me) person. Prior to this community, i'd never even heard of the Metu Neter.

Thanks in advance.

Much Love and Peace.

:heart:

Destee

Can you honestly tell us what it means to be divine?

Can you honestly tell us what it means to be in love [agape, Maat love]?

Greetings Sister Destee,

First let me be clear before I address your questions, as I said earlier I'm not a member of the Ausar Auset Society. I do have have knowledge of the Metu Neter because I received a major portion of my spiritual training from a former member of AAS and I have also participated rituals with AAS members. The Metu Neter itself is not a religion onto itself. It's one part of the spiritual system practiced by AAS based on ancient Kemetic spirituality. AAS is not even the only Afrikan group that practices Kemetic spirituality. There are several Kemetic groups a few of whom are white. A close analogy is that of Baptists, Methodists, Lutherans, practicing Christianity but having different apporaches.

Now I'm most familiar with the AAS practices that are similar to that of other Afrikan Traditional Religions. These practices include, readings, Diety and Ancestor possessions, and rituals.

If we focus our discussion on the Metu Neter it's main purpose is to connect people back to God. No more, no less. People can come with all these interpretations, theories, and the like but ultimately it's about connecting back to God.

Now regarding if it's for all Black people of course, because it's based on our inherent nature which is to naturally connect and communicate with spirit. Black people, especially Black women, have the ability to not only connect with spirit but also have great spiritual power. Our ancient cultures were Matriarchal for this reason. AAS is more matriarchal than people realize because this is actually more natural to Black people. If this world was operating correctly everyone would go Black women for spiritual matters.

The Metu Neter isn't really schouded in mystery. You can go to any Black Bookstore, especially the more Afrikan-Centered ones, and they'll know about the book. Also, some of these major Christian ministers know about the Metu Neter. They read it for reference. That and some Masonic texts but that another thread.

I know this was brief but does this answer your questions?

Peace,
Belsidus

Can you honestly tell us what it means to be in love [agape, Maat love]?


First of all Love means giving without seeking anything in return. True love is a virtue that must be cultivated. To say "in love" suggests lustful romance, or an emotional attachment. That's not really love especially when you include the term Agape, or Maat.

Now Maat mean being able to live divine truth. Divine truth being God's Law, natural law. Also a person who has reached the level of Maat has the ability to aquire their needs through an understanding of the laws governing a situation. In a person, this will manifest in being to see all sides of a situation. A person who has Maat as their incarnation objective tends to be balanced or rather they will face obstacles in life which will bring out the trait of being balanced. These people will tend to have big hearts or put another way be able to give without seeking anything in return.

Now as far as whether I know what this means I can tell you whatever. My wife, however, says that I can be little too giving without seeking anything in return. Too be honest she complains I do very little for myself, and I'm too concerned with the community. To be honest I can't think of any other to live. I've had to take care of others since I was little when they had nothing to give back. I'll let you interpret what that means.

Now that I've answered your question will you please answer my question.

Peace,
Belsidus

Greetings Sister Destee,

First let me be clear before I address your questions, as I said earlier I'm not a member of the Ausar Auset Society. I do have have knowledge of the Metu Neter because I received a major portion of my spiritual training from a former member of AAS and I have also participated rituals with AAS members. The Metu Neter itself is not a religion onto itself. It's one part of the spiritual system practiced by AAS based on ancient Kemetic spirituality. AAS is not even the only Afrikan group that practices Kemetic spirituality. There are several Kemetic groups a few of whom are white. A close analogy is that of Baptists, Methodists, Lutherans, practicing Christianity but having different apporaches.

Now I'm most familiar with the AAS practices that are similar to that of other Afrikan Traditional Religions. These practices include, readings, Diety and Ancestor possessions, and rituals.

If we focus our discussion on the Metu Neter it's main purpose is to connect people back to God. No more, no less. People can come with all these interpretations, theories, and the like but ultimately it's about connecting back to God.

Now regarding if it's for all Black people of course, because it's based on our inherent nature which is to naturally connect and communicate with spirit. Black people, especially Black women, have the ability to not only connect with spirit but also have great spiritual power. Our ancient cultures were Matriarchal for this reason. AAS is more matriarchal than people realize because this is actually more natural to Black people. If this world was operating correctly everyone would go Black women for spiritual matters.

The Metu Neter isn't really schouded in mystery. You can go to any Black Bookstore, especially the more Afrikan-Centered ones, and they'll know about the book. Also, some of these major Christian ministers know about the Metu Neter. They read it for reference. That and some Masonic texts but that another thread.

I know this was brief but does this answer your questions?

Peace,
Belsidus

Yes Brother, it does answer some of my questions and clears up a big portion of confusion for me. Just helping me to be able to see it better. I had no idea it was not a religion / spirituality unto itself. See, i'm not aware of any knowledge i have regarding Kemetic Spirituality or that the Metu Neter is based on it. So it makes sense for it to be difficult for me to understand. Yes, that helps a lot. Thank You!

Another thing ... it's one of the spiritual systems practiced by AAS, just one, as though there are more spiritual systems practiced within AAS? Gosh, i have so much to learn!

Your post above makes me want to start a new thread on Kemetic Spirituality, for it is the root of the Metu Neter ... is that right? If you don't mind, i'm going to copy your post to a new thread, with that title, so we don't throw this one off too much.

You've encouraged lots more questions in me, as i finally feel like i might have a door into this.

As a matter of fact, i'm going to do some searching in the community, as i might be able to find some of the the answers, now that i understand a little bit better. Thank You!

Much Love and Peace.

:heart:

Destee

Greetings Sister Destee,

There's a lot going with AAS. One of their actual members on this board can address this better than I can. Though the Metu Neter is their base they do include several modalities, many of which are discussed in the book. I would actually characterize their system as ONE system with several facets.

Yes Kemetic Spirituality is at the root of the Metu Neter, but in all fairness to other groups it's merely one interpretation. I'm not in a position to say whether it's the best. You may want to check out people like Muata Ashby, or especially as a sister, Queen Afua. They do have common ground in many areas.

On the new thread I may share some information about the Water Elemental Culture from which Kemetic Spirituality originated.

Peace,
Belsidus

So it makes sense for it to be difficult for me to understand.
ra un nefer amen is a black man. he has written a text which he named the metu neter (the word of god). ra un nefer amen sits at the head of the ausar auset society. i, james, sit at the foot of AAS. in between there are ten levels of spiritual development.

i will probably never become a member of AAS. why? it is too hard. diet, meditation, ritual. it is a lot of work. you must follow the protocol. you must be initiated.

i realize that i am at the lower level and i submit myself to my spiritual leaders. i seek guidance and teaching. i study. i meditate. it is hard work.

as i know that i am not initiated, i do NOT interpret text at all, ever. i study text. i try to understand. i leave interpretation to those who are above me.
i feel that if you are not initiated you have no business interpreting text.

not everyone feels as i do.

some folk read and go directly to interpretation, bypassing initiation. that is like a doctor going direct to surgery and by passing his board exams.
would you be treated by such? no, it would be grounds for a law suit.

Now that I've answered your question will you please answer my question.

Peace,
Belsidus
The scriptures are clear. The Divine is Ineffable, which means Unspeakable. It is One. Language, on the other hand, particularly English, is inherently dual.

The answer to your question. No, I can not tell you what it is like to be divine. Nor, could anyone else, particularly not in English, not even the being some now call Tehuti.

Did he once exist as a mortal man? Of course. It is possible that someone might, using a common English definition of the word, "channel" his spirit?

Perhaps.

And, then, there is love. Love is God and God is Love. So, no, you, nor anyone else, will ever be able to explain what it is like to be in love. We can EXPERIENCE it. But, words will never do it justice.

Consider the wonderful and beautiful woman that the Master has blessed you with. Could any words ever do justice to the love you feel for her? Could any poet, even one of the enormously talented ones here on Destee, adequately put into words what you feel when you kiss the curve of her lips, or touch her face, or smell her hair?

Could any poet, even one of the enormously talented ones here on Destee, adequately put into words what you feel when you kiss the curve of her lips, or touch her face, or smell her hair?
smell her hair? yo, itz time for that shampoo....:SuN009:

Brother Istlota ... i had to go and look up esoteric ... :)

We are honored ... thank you! ... :bowdown:

I'm a bit reluctant to ask, but want to know, what moved you to join us after so many years of not doing so with others?

Thanks in advance.

:heart:

Destee

Jamesfromphilly made me aware of Destee.com.

Brother James:

From "Maat the 11 Laws of God", Ra Un Nefer Amen:

To love your enemy then, is an act of conquest, not submissive resignation. But of course you have to be genuinely at peace in the situation - hey this guy is trying to kill you. (...) It is criminally irresponsible to tell the spiritually, and intellectually, and morally immature person to love his enemies. (...) The problem is not how one goes about loving ones enemies. (...) The spiritual goal of Maat is to become a -loving person- (...). It must be understood that love towards these people is not expressed by turning the other cheeck or giving them the shirt off your back, or sitting with them to break break. In some occasions, such would be the right thing to do, not in others. If you come home and find a man raping your daughter, you offer him your wife? If it became necessary to kill him, the law of love and oneness would not be violated

One.

~Ikoro

The law of "love" and "Oneness" would not be violated .....Would the Law of Love and Oneness be violated if one chose to do nothing (while having NO fear)?

It seems to make sense for the indivisible (I didn't say Indivi-dual on purpose) who has come to realize that nothing exist outside of them. If they are truly in a state of Oneness, while *seemingly* opposed, then they are not obliged to do anything in particular.

But the real test for the indivisible is when their decision will affect large groups of people who are not on the same frequency. One may have to use a cool inward form of leadership (Crook) or one of an outward show of force (Flail) in order to maintain the balance (Shaaim ua't Ab).

The law of "love" and "Oneness" would not be violated .....Would the Law of Love and Oneness be violated if one chose to do nothing (while having NO fear)?
In a war, there are times when the enemy should be actively engaged. Then, there are other times when a temporary retreat, perhaps to higher ground, is in order.

And, then, there are other times when the best strategy is just to "not say a mumbling word". My son understood this during his teenage years. He figured out that nothing would get under his old man's skin more than just refusing to talk to me.

Think about what is happening here in this thread. We are fighting a war of sorts. It is a war over the efficacy of love over hate. If I allow myself to be ruled by my emotions, and charge off into battle to defend Istlota's good name, or to engage in spirited debates over whether to not Istlota is divine, I will loose this war. In that particular battle, of this war, it is best that I do nothing --"while having NO fear".

It seems to make sense for the indivisible (I didn't say Indivi-dual on purpose) who has come to realize that nothing exist outside of them. If they are truly in a state of Oneness, while *seemingly* opposed, then they are not obliged to do anything in particular.
We exist because the One performed an action. It manifested us from his being. If we are the One, and we are, then action is our nature/neter.

Oneness does not preclude action. As a matter of fact, Karma Yoga, which is one of many paths to Oneness, is a yoga of action. Or, to put it as Dennis Waite has in his book "Back To The Truth":

It is not really a yoga of action. It is a yoga of attitude with reference to the action and the result.

The idea, with Oneness, is not to avoid action, but rather to avoid allowing the ego [i.e., the individual] to become emotionally invested in the results of action.

We loose focus when we allow the emotions of the individual [i.e., the ego] to cloud our judgement. Think back to the "no mas, no mas" fight between Sugar Ray Leonard and Roberto Duran. Leonard beat Duran, not with violence, but with wisdom. Leonard just remained calm, and messed with Duran's head. Once he teased Duran into getting mad, instead of focusing on winning, it was over.

Another example of non-passive Oneness would be the example of a bird of prey embracing a rodent which I talked about in one of my earlier messages. That bird showed no emotion at all. No fear, no rage. It was just, calmly, doing what it needed to do to stay in this war, in the Game of Life.

Now ... this is completely off topic ... but I was looking at these two images as I wrote and thinking, oh, man, that is me every night in the exercise room in my apartment complex.

:weights: :cardio:

are any white people embracing us....?

In a war, there are times when the enemy should be actively engaged. Then, there are other times when a temporary retreat, perhaps to higher ground, is in order.

And, then, there are other times when the best strategy is just to "not say a mumbling word".

You made mention (earlier in the forum) of this and it is KEY in our dialogue about "Embracing Whites" especially in the present Psycho/social atmosphere. I can appreciate your *emphasis* on keeping the attention on the GOAL of spiritual cultivation. I am convinced (from your previous post) that your position is not solely advocating that the Metu Neter validates the "Blanket" statement that we should embrace whites but that there is more dimension to that half truth; mainly what is intuited/appropriate regarding the circumstances. Hetep

You made mention (earlier in the forum) of this and it is KEY in our dialogue about "Embracing Whites" especially in the present Psycho/social atmosphere. I can appreciate your *emphasis* on keeping the attention on the GOAL of spiritual cultivation. I am convinced (from your previous post) that your position is not solely advocating that the Metu Neter validates the "Blanket" statement that we should embrace whites but that there is more dimension to that half truth; mainly what is intuited/appropriate regarding the circumstances. Hetep
Nice Summary!

:hearts2:

Jamesfromphilly made me aware of Destee.com.

Brother Istlota ... i gathered from this thread the above, but what i was specifically asking, was about the 15 year part. What made you join us, after 15 years of not joining an organization?

The cliche, don't look a gift horse in the mouth, comes to mind ... but i'd really like to know what you saw in us, that you've not seen in others for 15 years.

Thanks a Bunch!

:heart:

Destee

are any white people embracing us....?

Yes.

We know these embraces as rent, mortgages, bills. They love when come to work, to aid in their wealth. They love when we pay our bills. They love when we buy into their services and buy their products. Some specialize in doing business with us and with all the money we spend, I'd go on to say there is a whole lot of them embracing us. They can't stand them hasidic jews tho, Whom keep the majority of their $$$$ amongst themselves.

Warriors
There are all kinds of warriors. Some choose the weapons of the material world:

The gun. An example would be Paul Kagame leading the RPF to overthrow the genocidal, French-puppet, government of Rwanda.
The spear. An example would be the 3000 Zulus who, fearing not the guns of the Boers, gave their lives defending their homes from the foreign invaders. Only 3 Boers died in that battle. And, in the typical fashion of the spiritually immature, those Boers bowed their heads and praised their white god for leading them to victory. But, the One who is Unknown --- Amen -- had the last laugh when, a century and a half later, the Afrikaneer descendants of those Boers had to accept a native son of Africa, Mandela, as their President.
Some choose weapons not made by human hands:

The Fire That No Water Can Put Out. An example would be Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. who, fearing not the guns, clubs, and hoses of the racist state, stood up as a man and refused to be told where he could live, where he could eat, where he could sit, or where he could vote.
Satya Graha. The obvious example would be Gandhi, who, fearing not the guns of the British, refused to be told he could not govern his own country.
We people of color have been blessed with both types of warriors. The Master raises up some of us to prefer the sword, and some to prefer the Word. I, he raised up to prefer the Word.

For most of us, not only do we prefer one approach, but we hold contempt for the other. Perhaps, the Dravidian rooted systems are correct in their assessment that we can not help but be who our accumulated samskaras prepare us to be.

We must all be careful not to attempt to ram our personal belief system down the throats of those who have differing convictions. As long as a child of the woman clothed in the sun is genuinely struggling to fight the Beast, using whatever weapon the One has placed in his or her hand, we should either fight alongside him or her or, if that is not within us, at the very least, we should get out of his or her way.

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Embracing Your Enemy

The Metu Neter is a study in Oneness - as are the Upanishads, the Bhagavad Gita, and the red words in the christian bible. Few their be among us who discern this, which is understandable. Even those of us who are not white were, nevertheless, born and raised in the belly of the beast. All our lives, we have been bombarded with a myriad of cultural influences all designed to convince us of of the flawed world view of the sons of Gog, Magog, Gomer, and Askenaz which the Metu Neter accurately describes as a left brain dominant compulsion to _separate_ instead of _unify_.

Carried to its logical conclusion, which few are able to grasp, is that the omnipresence which is synonymous with Ausar must include, not just black people, but _all_ the manifestations of Ra --- even those which happen to be insufferably annoying caucasians.

Metu Neter - Volume II - page 111 (speaking of Sphere 1 - Ausar)
As omnipresence is an attribute of this indwelling intelligence, its resurrection, i.e., the extension of its function from the subconscious to the conscious sphere of Man's life, or the doing of that Glory on earth that is done in heaven, if you prefer, is the only way to bring about the unity that is the prerequisite for peace on earth and prosperity for all. Viewed from another perspective, omnipresence means that there can only be one Being dwelling in and as all creatures. This is the basis of unity in the world. Most important, we must understand that this is the real meaning of monothesism, which does not denote one God, but the Unitarian reality that is the life of all creatures, and the source of all the metaphysical intelligences through which the activities of the world are administered. Understand this and you will know that in killing others, you are destroying a vessel through which God expresses Itself. This sphere corresponds to the Ba part of the spirit.

Would I be wrong in assuming that Embracing your enemy in this particular dialog is an act after understanding the connection and purpose between you and your enemy and your control and/or handle of the events btwn you and your enemy?

them hasidic jews tho, Whom keep the majority of their $$$$ amongst themselves.
this is exactly what black people need to do....keep the money among ourselves

Would I be wrong in assuming that Embracing your enemy in this particular dialog is an act after understanding the connection and purpose between you and your enemy and your control and/or handle of the events btwn you and your enemy?
Yes. Embrace is a verb, denoting action. And, yes, it is always wise, if time permits, and it usually does, to consider carefully what your next move will be before making it.

[/URL]Brother Istlota ... i gathered from this thread the above, but what i was specifically asking, was about the 15 year part. What made you join us, after 15 years of not joining an organization?
I have joined other forums. My reference to Destee being close to an esoteric organization, I suppose, has something to do with that fact that the vibe here is a bit more open to discussion of spiritual ideas. This may have something to do with the fact that you are an artist.

We are born into a world that celebrates gross materialism. This world's programming [the Matrix?] is so strong by the time we have reached puberty it is EXTREMELY difficult to convince others that there is a better Way to live.

But, the Master gives out various talents designed to cast light on the Path that leads back to the Garden. Artists, being naturally inclined to think outside the box anyway, sometimes find new ways to get to the door to the Self, sneaking right past the beasts who are ALWAYS guarding the gate.

John Coltrane:
Thought waves -- heat waves -- all vibrations -- all paths lead to God. Thank You God.

One thought can produce millions of vibrations and they all go back to God ... everything does.

Thoughts -- deeds -- vibrations, etc. They all go back to God and he cleanses all.

God breathes through us so completely --- so gently we hardly feel it --- yet, it is our everything.

Thank You God.

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"the Ausarian approach to resolving family conflicts --- Embrace the God within your enemy until your enemy becomes your friend"

i'm butting heads with somebody over at afrochat who claims to be at the level of ausar and who tells me that we should embrace white people.
she says that is what the metu neter says to do.

i have a problem with that.

is there no room for warriors in khemetic society?

Let us hear from the Author (Metu Neter/Anuk Ausar) himself:
4 min into video
That way all that has been said (regarding the Book and The Author) on this subject can be calibrated. Ironically the 11th (Herukhuti's # )video

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Ironically the 11th (Herukhuti's # )video


Thanks for the Heads Up!


M.E.

:hearts2:

"the Ausarian approach to resolving family conflicts --- Embrace the God within your enemy until your enemy becomes your friend"

i'm butting heads with somebody over at afrochat who claims to be at the level of ausar and who tells me that we should embrace white people.
she says that is what the metu neter says to do.

i have a problem with that.

is there no room for warriors in khemetic society?




Brother, I have never and will never embrace the cave dweller. I, unlike many have no desire to do so. When you go to embrace a murderer, you could very well pull back with a knife hanging out your back! I say the same to those that think that no matter what, you are supposed to forgive and forget! I cant help but think of my foreparents in the south with their women taken from them, screaming with pain from every horror one could imagine. The girls being impregnated as early as 10 and 11 and the shame that wife must have felt having to come back fouled to her family. NO THANKs! They can keep that stringy haired, flat behinded spy they call a woman also!

It is disturbing to see and hear, from the same mortal who wrote "MAAT - The 11 Laws of God", that cutting off a thief's hand is a Way to save his soul. RAUN, of all men, certainly, is well aware that the soul is not the body.

This sort of speech, while guaranteed to appeal to the masses who have no idea who they are and why they are here, is best left to be articulated by religous zealots such as the current POTUS, who are unable to perceive beyond the literal, beyond maya, beyond avidya.

"Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not love, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal.

And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge, and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not love, I am nothing."

It is disturbing to see and hear, from the same mortal who wrote "MAAT - The 11 Laws of God", that cutting off a thief's hand is a Way to save his soul. RAUN, of all men, certainly, is well aware that the soul is not the body.

This sort of speech, while guaranteed to appeal to the masses who have no idea who they are and why they are here, is best left to be articulated by religous zealots such as the current POTUS, who are unable to perceive beyond the literal, beyond maya, beyond avidya.

"Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not love, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal.

And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge, and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not love, I am nothing."

You are taking his words out of context you should review the video again and really listen. He is explaining how we are being duped by the saying 'Embrace your enemy and turn the other cheek' Ironically your explaination of 'Embracing the enemy' was also taken out of context in this very same thread quite a few times. I gave you the benefit of the doubt, and understood what you actually meant. For the record the same mortal who wrote "MAAT - The 11 Laws of God", IS NOT SAYING THAT HE BELIEVES that cutting off a thief's hand is a Way to save his soul. And if RAUN, of all men, is well aware that the soul is not the body. Then maybe he was conveying what others are saying or thinking. If I'm wrong I hope you'll let me know.

Peace

i hate my enemies.
i will work toward their distruction.
i will kill them if i get a chance.

:SuN025:

You are taking his words out of context you should review the video again and really listen. He is explaining how we are being duped by the saying 'Embrace your enemy and turn the other cheek' Ironically your explaination of 'Embracing the enemy' was also taken out of context in this very same thread quite a few times. I gave you the benefit of the doubt, and understood what you actually meant. For the record the same mortal who wrote "MAAT - The 11 Laws of God", IS NOT SAYING THAT HE BELIEVES that cutting off a thief's hand is a Way to save his soul. And if RAUN, of all men, is well aware that the soul is not the body. Then maybe he was conveying what others are saying or thinking. If I'm wrong I hope you'll let me know.

Peace
Take a close look at the tone of some of the posts that popped up here after the link to the video. When you are given a Divine vision, along with it, comes a sacred duty to choose your words carefully. It is better to speak in parables, and/or in a mystery, than to utter words than you know will give the more volatle brethren license to hate, and to commit violence. Note the difference in tone between what was said in the video and what was written in "Maat - The 11 Laws of God":

From the video:

"What a minute now! Wait a minute! Wait a minute. If you've got a problem and you are murdering and you are stealing and I hold your hand ... I might even cut your hands off --- you can't help your self. It doesn't mean I don't love you. I am keeping you from losing your soul. I am helping you stop in your track of wrong doing."

From MAAT - the 11 Laws of God:

"God is just, merciful and loving, and has made nothing evil. Evil comes into our world as a result of man's choosing to willfully violate the laws of God. Rest assured, oh man, that evil deeds are no more that pebbles thrown upward with the hope that they will escape the gravity of love. But neither their actions, or hatred of their selves can survive the conquering force of love. Use your will to ignore the ignorant self-defensive thought reflexes of seeing such people burn in hell, and pray for their redemption --- even and especially when they've got you by the throat. Remember the law --- You came to earth to acquire two things; wisdom and spiritual power, as through these you will get all that you need, and lawfully want -- and get to enjoy them. And you can only get these two things through peace in adversity."

imagine if the africans had killed each and every white person as they rolled up on the shore? where would we be today?

the problem with the black man in america is that we spend way too much time embracing our enemies.
if we treated the whites with the same violence that we use on each other. we would run the country by now.

righteous anger cleans the soul.

:SuN020:

When issues (seemingly) between us become alittle tangled its good to continue the spirit of our quest for (A similitude:em3700: ) of understanding.


I will step out and say that my ideas about embracing white people are more "specific" in concert with the relevance of Yurugu.

When I focus the lens of the 8th sphere and its identification with the 9th and its influence on the 7th sphere I get a more particularized version of its manifestation in reality (Yurugu) and what cultural constructs best convey its intentions(Europeans/Arabs etc). The behavioral attributes of The Pale Fox are counterintuitive to that which the Ausar upholds (Maakheru). The Metu Neter typifies these same ill-balanced proclivities with Europeans and Marimba Ani adds their inability to establish themselves as a collective in Maat because of the nature of their Asili (It is always seeking to validate itself ..religion, Aesthetics, Scientism ect.). She speaks of their whole culture as being a consequence of Ill-balance within the African psyche; a virus so to speak....Yurugu, Since the conception of the Universe and the African mind are essentially ONE ..AMMA. Our experience of the European and their cultural construct is the byproduct of an inherent mutation or split away from(opposing) ourselves. The Metu Neter speaks of the Setian and the Sahu and how that dynamic of slavery works. Yurugu calls a SPADE a SPADE. Metu Neter is not even dignifying the point because once we recapture our minds it will be self evident (as it is to me now). My spirituality is not about becoming Ausar in my own context (exclusively). I am to be Ausar to unite the Two Lands or the upper and lower divisions of the spirit....not to place one above the other but to achieve Maati ..Sma Taui. Ausar is a Unifier. Ausar is in THE MOMENT flowing with the script while not being moved. Ausar's outward show of force is an echoe of the inward....the behavior of the Immune system. Ausar is unmoved while redirecting that which appears (and may even believe itself ) to be opposing something. In the meantime, the initiate (Ab and Sahu man) institutes a form of Government that translates these high truths into a practicle (yet flexible) framework.

This "Yurugu" and "Metu Neter" syncretism translates the question of the forum to be "NO...we don't embrace white people or acknowledge their existence. The system that they perpetuate feeds on destruction and envelopes us in its dysfunction. I have not experienced Melanated people outside of the ramifications of this illness.

RUNA points out on Pg 19 of Metu Neter that "Racial differences go beyond the color of the skin, type of hair, skeletal structure and other physiognomical items. In future Chap. we will accumulate all the evidence to show that there is a cultural unity/{ASILI} (this is where Yurugu proves effective) among all white nations , all Black Nations, and Oriental Nations. And that the common factors in each are traceable to the hemispheres of the brain that dominates their thinking , their language, and cultural expressions (again see Yurugu).

The question is, is it plausible to acknowledge Whites cultural unity to what has been presented in Yurugu? If so ...then NO we don't embrace them and even in the Ausar state thats not a question to entertain ....The question would be what brings balance ...its not personal ...but the layman see it as "Stay away from the white people."

Bro Is.. If you can recall , the first time I addressed your person in this thread we talked about processing that which transcends form in a linear discussion and how confounding it can be. Anytime one finds themselves rigidly fixed to an assertion should take heed to how the sebek faculty operates especially when speaking about an open (seemingly fixed) system. I say again...just because an act may appear to be violent or reactive ...that does not mean it is intrinsically lacking love as its executive force. (Sekert 101)

Take a close look at the tone of some of the posts that popped up here after the link to the video. When you are given a Divine vision, along with it, comes a sacred duty to choose your words carefully. It is better to speak in parables, and/or in a mystery, than to utter words than you know will give the more volatle brethren license to hate, and to commit violence. Note the difference in tone between what was said in the video and what was written in "Maat - The 11 Laws of God":

From the video:

"What a minute now! Wait a minute! Wait a minute. If you've got a problem and you are murdering and you are stealing and I hold your hand ... I might even cut your hands off --- you can't help your self. It doesn't mean I don't love you. I am keeping you from losing your soul. I am helping you stop in your track of wrong doing."



From MAAT - the 11 Laws of God:

"God is just, merciful and loving, and has made nothing evil. Evil comes into our world as a result of man's choosing to willfully violate the laws of God. Rest assured, oh man, that evil deeds are no more that pebbles thrown upward with the hope that they will escape the gravity of love. But neither their actions, or hatred of their selves can survive the conquering force of love. Use your will to ignore the ignorant self-defensive thought reflexes of seeing such people burn in hell, and pray for their redemption --- even and especially when they've got you by the throat. Remember the law --- You came to earth to acquire two things; wisdom and spiritual power, as through these you will get all that you need, and lawfully want -- and get to enjoy them. And you can only get these two things through peace in adversity."

Hmmmmmm.......... something is a-miss let's further examine this video.

Ra Un Nefer Amen = The Christianity that you know was created at the Council of Nicaea (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Council_of_Nicaea) by the Romans. The Romans were Imperialist, they were slave masters. They wanted a think tank, they wanted a doctrine that would enable, the ppl that they conquered to be receptive to being conquered. 'Like if I slapped you on your cheek, don't slap back. If I want to steal from you, give me your shirt off your back' They(our enemies) say 'this is love' "What a minute now! Wait a minute! Wait a minute. If you've got a problem and you are murdering and you are stealing and I hold your hand ... I might even cut your hands off --- you can't help your self. It doesn't mean I don't love you. I am keeping you from losing your soul. I am helping you stop in your track of wrong doing." Now Ra Un Nefer Amen goes on to say... " I mean stop and think about it'' What RUNA is saying is to examine those words and phrases that were designed to keep you from fighting back against those who are doing you wrong. Unlike the 'Sahu man' who would take those words and falsely believe these words to be truth. As a matter of fact at the very beginning of that video he talks about how the 8th sphere of our spirit which processes the verbal data, works in the left hemisphere of the brain, has a tendency to lose the relationship between things it hears. I'm puzzled how you seem to be analyzing a small part of his speech and completely changing the context. ????? The history of your replies and here and else where shows me you know better than this. So your break down of what RANA was saying doesn't add up.

I'm puzzled how you seem to be analyzing a small part of his speech and completely changing the context. ????? The history of your replies and here and else where shows me you know better than this. So your break down of what RUNA was saying doesn't add up.
it does if you have a preconceived point and you want to find text to support that point.....:SuN006:

it does if you have a preconceived point and you want to find text to support that point.....:SuN006:

Yea I guess I was wrong in preconceiving :hammer2: the brotha was above that. I can man and admit my error. Live and Learn :SuN020:

Peace

As a matter of fact at the very beginning of that video he talks about how the 8th sphere of our spirit which processes the verbal data, works in the left hemisphere of the brain, has a tendency to lose the relationship between things it hears.

Good point....Shekhem made inference to this issue when stating that reading the book several times would only get you 10% of what is being presented. The Presentation of the Metu Neter in written form is merely An Opening of The Way

The Way= Maati, which comes from committing oneself to a "Rites of Passage" at some degree to establish The Truth of a premise.

The Premise=Anuk Ausar

Love Thine enemies in any other context (While residing predominately in the Sahu division) sets the unintiated up for failure.

Scriptural analysis delineates truisms (Like empiricism does with Facts) outside of the context it should be interelated with....As Marimba Ani states in Yurugu, "A fact only becomes meaningful when it is placed within a context" otherwise it can be misleading. True syncretization (conceptually) is achieved when the Ab/Maat division has been invoked.

(In regards to the method Bro Islota chooses to use)

Extracting the concept of "Christ" from the Judeo/Christian context and then focusing on its universality(without giving equal discourse to its political underpinnings) is a questionable tactic IMO (Even in a Gnostic sense). Hetep

Further elucidation:pg 191 to 194 of Yurugu

Love Thine enemies in any other context (While residing predominately in the Sahu division) sets the unintiated up for failure.
as khamet is no longer standing and savages are there in it's place, i would say it's not a good policy for any one at any level.