All warfare is based on deception. Hence, when able to attack, we must seem unable; when using our forces, we must seem inactive; when we are near, we must make the enemy believe we are far away; when far away, we must make him believe we are near. Hold out baits to entice the enemy. Feign disorder, and crush him.
- Sun Tzu, the Art of War

Racism exists in many forms around the world. Not just here in America. We are not the only victims of Racism. Nor should we be the poster children for such, but we are. Racism is created once "Race" is defined. That might be a tough idea for most people to stomach. But its a very rational truth. Once Race is defined Racism is produced, because to define a Race, is also to ration out laws of characteristics that identify that Race. Such laws naturally present a case of greater or lesser, since all laws can only be governed by the physical world.

Some might argue against the idea of "Race" entirely. There is no such thing as Race. Indeed, this might be true. Law isn't true either. Neither are morals. But like Race, these are bodies that navigate our language towards understanding the position of our reality. Basically, Race- holds characteristics of identification.

Just as well, all such identification groups, can be placed into their own Race. So we can create a Race for overweight people, short people, tall people. Women and Men could be classified as two separate Races. Yes it does sound odd, because we are used to dealing with Race at the level of ethnicity. But if we did define all these groups as Races, we would have a much clearer understanding of Racism and as well its current level of sophistication.

Once Race is defined Racism is produced. Something still seems wrong doesn't it? White Supremacy has assured us, that it is Whites themselves that have full control over this system of Race. So there is no real "Racism" without the ones who place themselves above all others.

We can go deeper in that. First we must examine the Art of Deception.

Most of us have a fresh jug of lemonade, sitting on the porch- wiping our brows. Because the long days of Racism in this country is over. No more White men in White sheets prancing around on horses burning crosses on lawns. No more commercial lynchings. No more wholesale murders of Black families and babies. Racism is over. We've heard Black Liberals and Conservatives saying it. Blacks have more opportunities now than they've ever had. Many of us truly believe this.

Maybe because too many of us only read the Bible, the Qur'an, and not the Art of War. Yet we have fallen for strategies that are centuries old. We have made our beds in a Kingdom of Warlords, Thieves, Rapists, and Murders. And we wonder who keeps trampling over the flowers we plant near the road side.

Meaning, everything we try to do for good and beauty is reduced to ashes. We believe Racism has ended. Has it? If Racism ended, certain things would not be true. When a Movie ends, the credits start rolling. Because everyone who had anything to do with this piece of art, wants recognition for their work. The story of Racism in America and the World, has not ended, it has evolved- because the "Definers" are still in power, still working on this piece of art, and no one is ready to be recognized. They will lie until the end about its existence.

Racism is a form of insurance. Insurance that those with power will continue to have power, so long as those who don't have power continue to use the same definitions of reality placed or programmed into them by the powerful.

And if this theorem is true- Racism can end. It ends when we find the answer to the question: How is power taken away from those who define our reality?

If we wish to fight, the enemy can be forced to an engagement even though he be sheltered behind a high rampart and a deep ditch. All we need do is attack some other place that he will be obliged to relieve. If we do not wish to fight, we can prevent the enemy from engaging us even though the lines of our encampment be merely traced out on the ground. All we need do is to throw something odd and unaccountable in his way.
- Sun Tzu

Tactics of Deception

Only a fool would discuss military tactics against Racism on the Internet. But these are not military tactics. In fact, there are things many of us are unwilling to do, may never do at all. But I must illustrate these things, to prove the point that we cannot do some of these things because Racism does in fact still exists. For example:

Black couples adopting White babies.

Now what would happen in America, if Affluent Blacks started adopting White babies? Not just poor White babies here in America, but from all over the world- Russia, the UK, France? If Race and Racism was not an issue in America, then certainly this would not be an issue.

But it is. It most certainly is. Blacks cheer on Whites like Madonna and others for running into Africa to "recuse" African babies. And what would the Racial climate in America be, if Blacks started doing this for White babies. See, before you even think it- they've beaten you to it- and just to make sure Blacks don't try such a gruesome act- it actually costs MORE to adopt a White baby.

Why it Costs More to Adopt a White Baby
http://abcnews.go.com/US/Story?id=91834&page=1

When a couple seeking to adopt a white baby is charged $35,000 and a couple seeking a black baby is charged $4,000, the image that comes to the Rev. Ken Hutcherson's mind is of a practice that was outlawed in America nearly 150 years ago — the buying and selling of human beings.

Let's just think about this for a moment. $35,000 for a White baby and $4,000 for a Black baby?

OK- but let's say some Black couples can afford that. Hell- beat them to the punch. Find White drug addict Mothers and adopt there children. What would happen in America? What would happen if more and more Blacks started doing this and raising White children to actually be against the system of White Supremacy? If Blacks started raising an entire nation of Whites who revealed the lies of their Fathers like Michael Moore?

It would never work? But that's what they did to us. So it does work. We have adopted all of their customs, have adopted their White minds, their patterns of thinking, their systems..some of us even fold in our bottom lips to make a point like White folks...and it wouldn't work?

It has already worked.

http://phillips.blogs.com/photos/uncategorized/2007/03/26/44_black_man_white_baby.jpg

Arrest the mind of the Racist from birth.....

All warfare is based on deception. Hence, when able to attack, we must seem unable; when using our forces, we must seem inactive; when we are near, we must make the enemy believe we are far away; when far away, we must make him believe we are near. Hold out baits to entice the enemy. Feign disorder, and crush him.
- Sun Tzu, the Art of War

Racism exists in many forms around the world. Not just here in America. We are not the only victims of Racism. Nor should we be the poster children for such, but we are. Racism is created once "Race" is defined. That might be a tough idea for most people to stomach. But its a very rational truth. Once Race is defined Racism is produced, because to define a Race, is also to ration out laws of characteristics that identify that Race. Such laws naturally present a case of greater or lesser, since all laws can only be governed by the physical world.

Some might argue against the idea of "Race" entirely. There is no such thing as Race. Indeed, this might be true. Law isn't true either. Neither are morals. But like Race, these are bodies that navigate our language towards understanding the position of our reality. Basically, Race- holds characteristics of identification.

Just as well, all such identification groups, can be placed into their own Race. So we can create a Race for overweight people, short people, tall people. Women and Men could be classified as two separate Races. Yes it does sound odd, because we are used to dealing with Race at the level of ethnicity. But if we did define all these groups as Races, we would have a much clearer understanding of Racism and as well its current level of sophistication.

Once Race is defined Racism is produced. Something still seems wrong doesn't it? White Supremacy has assured us, that it is Whites themselves that have full control over this system of Race. So there is no real "Racism" without the ones who place themselves above all others.

We can go deeper in that. First we must examine the Art of Deception.

Most of us have a fresh jug of lemonade, sitting on the porch- wiping our brows. Because the long days of Racism in this country is over. No more White men in White sheets prancing around on horses burning crosses on lawns. No more commercial lynchings. No more wholesale murders of Black families and babies. Racism is over. We've heard Black Liberals and Conservatives saying it. Blacks have more opportunities now than they've ever had. Many of us truly believe this.

Maybe because too many of us only read the Bible, the Qur'an, and not the Art of War. Yet we have fallen for strategies that are centuries old. We have made our beds in a Kingdom of Warlords, Thieves, Rapists, and Murders. And we wonder who keeps trampling over the flowers we plant near the road side.

Meaning, everything we try to do for good and beauty is reduced to ashes. We believe Racism has ended. Has it? If Racism ended, certain things would not be true. When a Movie ends, the credits start rolling. Because everyone who had anything to do with this piece of art, wants recognition for their work. The story of Racism in America and the World, has not ended, it has evolved- because the "Definers" are still in power, still working on this piece of art, and no one is ready to be recognized. They will lie until the end about its existence.

Racism is a form of insurance. Insurance that those with power will continue to have power, so long as those who don't have power continue to use the same definitions of reality placed or programmed into them by the powerful.

And if this theorem is true- Racism can end. It ends when we find the answer to the question: How is power taken away from those who define our reality?
R.N.A....cause it ain't NO Secret in the Lives of AFreekan Descendents (http://rnanetwork.ning.com/)

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Peace True! I tried to access the link, is this a new video? Let me know if I have to sign up to see it.

For those in the family interesting in "The Art of War" FREE - a PDF version can be downloaded at:

http://www.puppetpress.com/classics/artofwar.htm

Making no mistakes is what establishes the certainty of victory, for it means conquering an enemy that is already defeated.
- Sun Tzu

Conquering an Enemy That is Already Defeated.

There are several methods I can point out, to show how Racism has evolved. Consider- the Prison System, consider the Media, consider the Sports and Entertainment industry. Remember what I mentioned previously about "insurance." The powerful use these systems to insure that the powerless stay in place. Its interesting when we find Black people fighting for the Prison System, and yet claiming to be fighting against Racism. Or fighting against Racism, and yet cheering on more Blacks in the Sports and Entertainment Industry. We cannot defend ourselves against re-enslavement, because we are already enslaved mentally and fooled by Racism's sophistication.

We look at the P.Diddy's, the Oprahs, the Bill Cosbys, the Bob Johnsons, and we continue to sip on our Lemonade on the porch. We look at these people as the rolling credits themselves, signs that Movie of Racism in America is over. What we don't know is that the is an OLD military tactic.

Most of us can reach levels of success based upon the spiritual endowment of our Ancestors, who give us enough protection against certain forces.

http://image.listen.com/img/356x237/0/7/4/4/504470_356x237.jpg

Christian Gospel Artist Helen Baylor said it well, when she sang : "I had a Praying Grandmother" - but what we must recognize is that a Praying Grandmother, is an Elder in touch with the Ancestors, and thankfully they answer her Prayers, regardless of her ignorance as to who they are. She closes her eyes and calls them: Jesus.

And Jesus is still at the heart of the Racism in America. As our Black multi-millioniares are placed in front of us to deceive us. Look! Look how well we are doing! But how well can we be doing, when Black Men and Women with College degrees, Masters, Ph.Ds still have to fight and compete in the workplace with White Men and Women, who are pulled up in into the ranks, not by their level of education, but by the Bosses that run the companies and the empires of America.

Its not what you know, its WHO you know. And obviously we don't know the enemy like we think we do. We try so desperately to be "liked" by White people that we'd do anything just to see a smile on their face.

We're so distracted that we haven't noticed the enemy has defeated themselves on many levels too. In all the rush for gold, in all their greed for more - they have defeated themselves. When we start to challenge how "Race" is defined, we will defeat Racism. This act should in no way damage Black African solidarity, in fact- it would help us to unify our Global Family. The fact that Blacks in America see themselves as so much different than Blacks around the world, is in fact part of the illusion and programming that Whites feed us. Divide and conquer? And if we know we are divided, shouldn't we also know we are conquered?

We must find the best definitions that unite us with all people of African descent. There should be definitions outside of the power and control system of Whites and media. Even the names "Africa" and "African" is within their scope. Yet still many Blacks in America react negatively to those names. Which is also proof that Racism is not only for powerful Whites. If we can call what Whites have done and are doing to Blacks in America, a criminal act, because prejudices are used to restrict the rate of survival of our people in America. Then, couldn't it be said also, that because of the racial identifications Blacks in America have accepted, they have become the Race Definers against other Africans in the Diaspora, by in fact restricting themselves away from them, away from unity, away from reunion, away from a Global Community?

Both these actions, whether by Whites in America, or Blacks in America, are due to ignorance. We are only as good as the definitions that govern our reality.

So-called Whites in America have already been defeated. Because the measuring stick they have set up in the past to prove White Supremacy has already failed. It was called "The one drop rule" We ourselves don't notice, again- because Whites are in fact the definers of our Reality, because they are the definers of our language.

The ONE DROP RULE


The term "white people" (also "whites" or "white race") has been defined as "being a member of a group or race characterized by light pigmentation of the skin" and "to a human group having light-coloured skin, especially of European ancestry."

The one drop rule is a historical term in the United States that holds that a person with any trace of non-white ancestry (however small or invisible) cannot be considered white. The one drop rule is virtually unique to the United States.[48] The one drop rule created a bifurcated system of either black or white regardless of a person's physical appearance. This contrasts with the more flexible social structures present in Latin America where there are no clear cut divisions between the various ethnicities.

The term white American (often used interchangeably with "Caucasian American"[3] and within the United States simply "white"[4]) is an umbrella term that refers to people of European, Middle Eastern, and North African descent residing in the United States.[5] In the most recent United States Census conducted in 2000, 47.9% of the then 35,305,818 U.S. Hispanics also fell into the white American category,[6] making White Hispanics the plurality among Hispanics of all races in the United States.

What if we stopped calling White people Whites?? Because obviously, many of those we think are white, are not white!

There is no single universal definition of whiteness. The most notable trait describing people who identify as white is high skin reflectance, although even this trait is not universal amongst people identifying as white, for example there is an: "influence of social class to the fluidity of color/race identification in Brazil. Some authors say that in Brazil, 'money whitens'. Wealthier people with darker phenotypes tend to classify themselves and be classified by others in lighter categories"

http://www.seinfeld-fan.net/pictures/kramer/kramer053.jpg
Guess what folks, I'm not even White! My Mother's Italian. Italians were lynched in America's history along with Blacks, but- due to my own ignorance even I didn't know that! Sorrrry!

Well into the twentieth century, Italian-Americans were not considered 'white'.
http://jyte.com/cl/well-into-the-twentieth-century-italian-americans-were-not-considered-white


Why White People Are Afraid
http://www.alternet.org/story/36892/

Beloved KgMw MS:

As always, I remain humble in the presence of your missives.

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Peace True! I tried to access the link, is this a new video? Let me know if I have to sign up to see it.
It's not a video this time...is a link to a new Social Network
Racism Non~Anonymous....Cause Racism is NO Secret in the Lives of Afreekan Descendents!

It would be great if you and other's signed up and join M.E. in RE~covering from this Racist and Racism WE continue to experience on a daily basis..

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Beloved KgMw MS:

As always, I remain humble in the presence of your missives.

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I Agree with this Goddess Sistren; Goddess Auset333
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Goddess and True, it is because of your minds, and those like you- who teach me, that I am here. I am a proud Student of all your lessons. I am constantly listening and I Thank you and all the wonderful minds of Destee for the guidance.

If your enemy is secure at all points, be prepared for him. If he is in superior strength, evade him. If your opponent is temperamental, seek to irritate him. Pretend to be weak, that he may grow arrogant. If he is taking his ease, give him no rest. If his forces are united, separate them. If sovereign and subject are in accord, put division between them. Attack him where he is unprepared, appear where you are not expected.
- Sun Tzu, the Art of War

In the south, it's not unheard of to hear Black people say "Integration was the worst thing that could happen for Black folks, because before then we had our own, we had to do for ourselves, and find ways to unify to solve our problems."

But how did we fall for Integration in the first place. Again, its a Military tactic. Deny a people something, and regardless of what it is, how poisonous it is, they will seek to have it. Its a basic psychology that can be found studying monkeys. Pretend you are enjoying a piece of candy, and place it in a high place beyond the animal's reach, and he will fight to get it. He will fail to examine the candy and he will eat it. The candy is usually a medicine the animal had fought against before, but this time it worked.

Black integrated with Whites, not realizing that was precisely that they wanted and needed. We also forgot this was not what our Ancestors wanted at all. Our Ancestors wanted to go back home, and any plans to stay here was also kin to Slavery. We ate the candy, not realizing it was medicine we had failed to take earlier. Integration would break us down, break our fighting heart and spirit. Help us to fall more in love with White lifestyles.

As we enjoyed all the freedoms of Whites. As we slept in a "Master" bed, in a "Master" bedroom, and wore the Master's slippers. We smoked the cigars, drove the Cars Whites drove. We didn't march for African freedom, oh no...we marched to have equal Freedoms with Whites, freedoms granted to them under their constitution. Freedom to be like Whites.

Forgetting our own land, and our land dealt out to us in Africa. I'm not from Africa anymore, I'm American now, and I fight for the right to be an American.

And while it is true we are due all of these rights, the fact that we must ask for these rights from certain powers, aggravate the fact that these powers are the Definers of our Reality. Free People don't ask, they Demand. They tell their Government how things are going to be, or else. There is no asking. There is no negotiation. They don't ask for reparations. They say, we will stop spending our money on these list of things, until these companies cease to exist- and we will GET our reparations. That, is what FREE people do. Slaves are the ones who ask, and beg, and plead with those who control them and define their Realities.

Integration has made us weak and cowardly. Voting was placed in front of us as a distraction. With all the rights to Vote, Blacks in America are still lagging behind in basic Human rights. But again, we didn't fight for the right to Vote, we fought to have the rights the Whites had. If White children went to good schools, we wanted our children in those schools. If Whites ate at good restaurants, we wanted to eat at those restaurants.

If Whites go to the Moon, we want to go to the moon too. says King of Comedy Cedric the Entertainer.

http://img2.timeinc.net/ew/dynamic/imgs/040423/153359__cedric_l.jpg

We have made ourselves into the Doppelgängers for White folks. We feel ourselves to be their shadow of karma and punishment, so we follow them in every path of life. But because of this ideal, we have given them the right to do as they please with us.

When will we begin to be the complete Definers of our own Reality? Dubois gave us the vision for the Talented Tenth. And perhaps now we are down to 1 percent. While there might be 5 percent of us who know the truth. 2% Who are willing to do something about it. Only 1% understand the art of deception, and how to get things done without the enemy knowing and decoding it.
I know some of you will have to think about that one really hard and mediate on it.

But we can still rely on the heart and intelligence of the 10 percent. 10 digits or fingers are what we work with. To create and make things come into being. We must learn to respect the ideas and visions of this 10 percent. Perhaps Destee.com, has attracted many of these minds. If this were a perfect world, no one would need only 10 percent who are designed to see the needs of the entire Nation. But this is not a perfect world. It is up to those who know, and those who can see, and those who share information to find the right outlets to create the energy to free us from our mental conditioning.

We need to stop asking for permission to be, and just be.

Racism however sophisticated or deceptive cannot evade the mind of a truly intelligent person who, even if blinded but their own misunderstanding can conjure up the collective power of our Ancestors with their thoughts.

Let us find the ways to "appear where you are not expected" - what made us extraordinary people is that we thought and created outside the realm of the usual Human privative Mindset.

Many of us still think this way. This is who we are. We are Inventors, we are creators, we are channelers of the Past and Future, we are spiritual communicators, we are Life Artists, we create the Poetry for breath, we create music for the Spirit, we are H-eart People, we are Eart-h people. We are the invisible manifested. We are Movements beyond Time. We carry the blood of the Sun.

We are beyond RACE. And when we learn how to RE-DEFINE and Correct who we are, we will be beyond Racism as well. Because whatever they prepare for us, is prepared because of how we define ourselves, and when we are beyond their definitions, we will also be beyond their traps and paradigms.

For more insight about Sophisticated Racism, study VH1’s latest “Roast of Flava Flav” and notice the “jokes” by so-called white Comedians. Shows like “Family Guy” and others that constantly help to rejuvenate the Racist ideals in White Americans.

Its no big deal because its all done in humor and fun? Lynching was also done for fun. The same so-called jokes we find funny Tonight, will be there reason you are stopped by a White cop and arrested tomorrow. Because those jokes hide within them the codes for White Supremacy, it says to us that are OK with our belittlement, social and media oppression.

We live in a time where Men like Bill O’ Reilly can be as Racist as he wants to be, because we are waiting around for obvious Racism and totally oblivious to the politically correct tone of new Racists, who can still command a Nation to act, react and feel themselves to be All Powerful, so long as media is at their full disposal.

http://www.nndb.com/people/434/000022368/billoreilly-port.jpg

We wonder if Whites will ever change? Who has given them motive for change? Obviously not us as a people, because we believe the Racist ideals they’ve taught us about ourselves. No wonder we are still blind to their methods.

And for those of you who argue and debate about what the native Africans think about Racism and Africans in America, and whether or not Race should be a big issue as it is. Or, if you wonder why Asians who are also tormented & stereotyped in comedy by Blacks and Whites and still manage to create and grow communities.

There is a main ingredient here. First of all, more than any place on Earth, Blacks and Whites in America have had a long standing intimate relationship as Friend or Foe. These variables cannot be found anywhere else on the planet, not even in Africa.

Africans in America outnumber the 11-12 million Asian population. Also note that Asians are not stereotyped as “negative” this is the main ingredient. Blacks are featured more often as criminals on the news, even in States that have very few Blacks! David Copperfield would call that impressive.

80% of the American population “claims” to be White. America has 43 Million Hispanics, and 37 Million Blacks. The strange irony here is that 42% of Hispanics pass for White, and less that 20% claim African/Black roots and heritage.

Everything being fair and equal, we’d actually see more Whites on the news. But this is not the case is it?

The Racism issue is a different matter for the African in America than the native Africa on the basis of population and media. We fail to realize America can fit inside of Africa. Blacks dominate the regions of Africa, Blacks do not dominate America. We are like sheep negotiating with wolves.

If your enemy is secure at all points, be prepared for him. If he is in superior strength, evade him. If your opponent is temperamental, seek to irritate him. Pretend to be weak, that he may grow arrogant. If he is taking his ease, give him no rest. If his forces are united, separate them. If sovereign and subject are in accord, put division between them. Attack him where he is unprepared, appear where you are not expected.
- Sun Tzu, the Art of War
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Beloved KgMS MS:

I meditate that I will never be deprive of reading your missives.

MS, I thirst and hunger ever day to read what you say/post.

Iron Sharpens Iron, and your missives Inner-Power me.

Continue to Encourage, Equip, and Motivate/Inspire us, the qualities of a Divine teacher.

MS, have you written a book? If so, I would Leap for more Joy to read it, and all your writings.

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Race is Racism. Racism is White Supremacy.

Racism (white supremacy) goes through four stages;

Establishment (getting it started)
Maintenance (keeping it going)
Expansion (getting more and more people practicing or subject to the SYSTEM)
Refinement (getting the victims of racism white supremacy so refined that the victims of racism white supremacy don't know they are victims and will shout down each other about being victims of racism white supremacy)

By "sophisticated" are you referring to the refinement of racism (white supremacy)?

I salute you Bro. Edward Williams!!

Yes, Sophisticated Racism would be the Refinement. We are so Refined that Racism now evades us. We know what obvious Racism is, which would be: Jena 6 as an example. Black folks will say - woah! woah! What's going on here! This is wrong! No!! We still do react to obvious Racism, but we don't react to Sophisticated Racism - also known as Politically Correct Racism, which is like Whites making fun of Black Culture to our faces in Commercials, or as major as Gentrification in Black Neighborhoods.

PC racism has three components.

* It is an act with racist intent.
* It is justified by righteous appearance,
* with popularity or near-total acceptance because of its righteous appearance.

Obvious Racism is Don Imus. Sophisticated Racism is: The Fox Network, VH1 etc.

http://foxattacks.com/blog/572-fox-attacks-black-america?play=1

Fox is the poster child for Sophisticated Racism. We are trained to react to obvious Racism, because we have history to pull from. When something happens, we march, we protest - we may even burn down a business or too.
But no one is trained on how to deal with Sophisticated Racism. What do you do, write a letter to your congressman or Woman?

We are too "Refined" we do should do what makes sense. We should still protest, and instead of burning the business, stop doing business with companies that support these message, and we'll see how fast America listens.

Yes Sir. When I say "Refinement" in reference to the 4 stages of racism (white supremacy) I mean the speech and/or action of the white people who practice racism (white supremacy) has become refined. In other words, the speech and/or action of the KKK is less refined than the speech and/or action of white males (if you are a non-white female) or white females (if you are a non-white male) trying to have sexual intercourse with you.

Any white person that is able to mistreat you on the basis of color and it results in you being comfortable enough to accept that mistreatment that is refined racism (white supremacy). Any white person that is able to mistreat you on the basis of color and it results in you being uncomfortable with what the person is saying and/or doing that white person is just less refined in their practice of racism (white supremacy).

Tacky, Trashy, and Terroristic. A more refined racist (white supremacist) is Tackier in their practice of racism (white supremacy) than a white person who practices racism (white supremacy) that is Terroristic. I suspect Hitler was a racist (white supremacist) and if he was his practice of racism (white supremacy) was Terroristic...meaning less refined. I also suspect Bill Maher could be a racist (white supremacist) and if so his practice of racism (white supremacy) is Tackier than Hitler's practice of racism (white supremacy)...Tackier meaning more refined.

It doesn't get any better than Tacky.

SynQ did a piece on the 4 stages of white supremacy (http://www.counter-racism.com/c-r_tv/causes.html) that can be viewed on the Counter-Racism Television Network if you're interested.

Thank you for your insight Bro. Williams. Also, thank you for this link!!! Very informative. I will pass this link along as well.

You are right to suspect Bill Maher. Some of the tackiest White Racists keep Black Women on their arm. It sends a clear message to those who understand.

http://image.com.com/mp3/images/genie_images/story/2006/b/billmaher01_story.jpg

Thank you for your insight Bro. Williams. Also, thank you for this link!!! Very informative. I will pass this link along as well.

You are right to suspect Bill Maher. Some of the tackiest White Racists keep Black Women on their arm. It sends a clear message to those who understand.


Yes Sir. SynQ has about 95 videos on YouTube. Any white person who I deem is able to practice racism (white supremacy) is automatically a racist suspect (http://www.counter-racism.com/cgi-bin/work-study/viewtopic.php?t=699) and they go on my racist suspect (http://www.counter-racism.com/cgi-bin/work-study/viewtopic.php?t=699) list.

Thank you Sir for the transfer of knowledge.

Yes Sir. SynQ has about 95 videos on YouTube. Any white person who I deem is able to practice racism (white supremacy) is automatically a racist suspect (http://www.counter-racism.com/cgi-bin/work-study/viewtopic.php?t=699) and they go on my racist suspect (http://www.counter-racism.com/cgi-bin/work-study/viewtopic.php?t=699) list.
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Which does what exactly brother Williams? What does placing them on your list accomplish? For you or for anyone else?

So-called "white supremacy" does not exist. It is a term we have adopted without realizing we are supporting the very intent of the term, which is to advance the cause of european global domination and control.

Those who advance the idea of "white supremacy" the loudest in the black community, seem to be the very same ones who advocate us seeking assistance from these so-called "whites" to solve our problems.

Is such an approach in the least bit logical?

It's tired. It's been tried for 40 years. It's time to reject this mindset completely in the conscious community because it has PROVEN itself to be ineffective.

No? Tell me then bro williams, what does putting a "white supremacist" on your suspect list accomplish for you or for anyone else?

What practical benefit is there in focusing on so-called "white supremacy", for you, or for anyone else. Go down through the list of anyone who has made a significant impact on the collective pysche AND the practical everyday existence of black people...how many of them primarily focused on so-called "white supremacy?" Did Garvey? Did Lumumba? Did L' Ouverture?

From DustyElbow's post:

Banished: The Obscure Legacy of America’s Racial Expulsions
http://www.indypendent.org/2007/09/15/banished-the-obscure-legacy-of-america%E2%80%99s-racial-expulsions/

I know personally, I cannot afford to ignore the wisdom in your words. And while many of us will disagree, that we do need to focus on White Supremacy in order to fight it, the reality is that without true Military Strategy, as the one presented in “The Art of War” we will lose. There are many different spheres of thought as we all know about Racism. We know that Min. Farrakhan and our Ancestor Dr. Clarke had their different views.

KemetKind, you are like Dr. Clarke when he scolded the Minister for the Million Man march, because Millions of Men did go to Washington, but they also booked up the hotels and spent allot of money too that made whites richer. Dr. King’s march was said to be set up for the same purpose.

So we cannot ignore different perspectives. I hope to listen and learn. I share the perspective that we should indeed focus on Our Nation, the growth and survival or it, a separate and sovereign Black collective that we all help to evolve and improve.

I salute both of you. We know Bro. Williams is a man of action, and we need all Men of Action, to stand and fight for our causes. At the end of the day I know we all rest better, knowing Bro. Williams and those like him have their eyes wide open. I can tell that different Mindsets are built to deal with superior and inferior forces.


He will win who knows when to fight and when not to fight. He will win who knows how to handle both superior and inferior forces. He will win whose army is animated by the same spirit throughout all its ranks. He will win who, prepared himself, waits to take the enemy unprepared. He will win who has military capacity and is not interfered with by the sovereign.
-Sun Tzu, the Art of War

Which does what exactly brother Williams? What does placing them on your list accomplish? For you or for anyone else?
Excellent question. For me, like with any other person who is prone to harm me, it keeps me focused on who is mistreating people on the basis of color. These are the people I am at odds with and who are at odds with me. These are the people I'm at war with and who are at war with me. And I need to be cognizant of that at all times.

So-called "white supremacy" does not exist. It is a term we have adopted without realizing we are supporting the very intent of the term, which is to advance the cause of european global domination and control.

Those who advance the idea of "white supremacy" the loudest in the black community, seem to be the very same ones who advocate us seeking assistance from these so-called "whites" to solve our problems.

Is such an approach is in the least bit logical?
I'm not sure I understand the question. Are asking if it is logical to advocate help from white people to solve problems and also say that we are in a SYSTEM of racism (white supremacy)? I advocate the production of justice and the white people who practice racism (white supremacy) ain't gonna help you with that. Any prisoner knows they need help from the warden but the warden ain't gonna help the prisoner tear down the prison SYSTEM.

it is an act of not lying to oneself. Any prisoner is a prison SYSTEM that says to themselves; well I'm really not in prison because I can go anywhere I want to in my own mind. The warden is in prison because he has to watch me.

That is a prisoner that ain't never gonna get out of that prison and the warden knows that prison ain't never gonna get out because they don't recognize that they are even in a prison SYSTEM.

The SYSTEM of racism (white supremacy) is a prison SYSTEM...a universal prison SYSTEM for all non-white people. You can't open a door to get out of it. There is no door that you can open that you can walk outside of the universe. The only way out of it is to replace it with a SYSTEM of justice. The only help you're gonna get doing that is from yourself.

It's tired. It's been tried for 40 years. It's time to reject this mindset completely in the conscious community because it has PROVEN itself to be ineffective.

No? Tell me then bro williams, what does putting a "white supremacist" on your suspect list accomplish for you or for anyone else?

What practical benefit is there in focusing on so-called "white supremacy", for you, or for anyone else.
I don't focus on the SYSTEM of racism (white supremacy), I acknowledge its existence and I also acknowledge that I'm working to replace it with a better SYSTEM...a SYSTEM of justice. It is like reading a map. When you pull out a map to find directions the first thing you want to determine is where you are on the map. Once you find where you are you should want to find your destination on the map. And lastly, once you find where you are on the map and find your destination (where you want to go) on the map the next thing you want to find is the most logical and efficient route for you to get from where you are to where you want to be (your destination). And if you lie to yourself about where you are on the map the route you choose to your destination ain't never gonna make sense because you'll never get there.

I am saying I'm in a SYSTEM of racism (white supremacy) is just where I am on the map. My destination is a SYSTEM of justice. One of the ways I measure my progress to my destination is for me to remind myself of where I am on the map. I haven't gotten to my destination yet. But I'm working to get there. There are people however who say they ain't in a SYSTEM of racism (white supremacy)...that they are at their destination already and their destination is a "conscious community" and that the SYSTEM of racism (white supremacy) doesn't exist...that white people ain’t' mistreating people on the basis of color and then up pops Katrina or Jena 6. Well, the people who say that there is no SYSTEM of racism (white supremacy) a SYSTEM that imprisons non-white people as prisoners before they are born, are qualified to make that assessment just as I am qualified to make the assessment I have made about my position and my mission while I am on this planet. I ain't sellin' nothin'. This is my position and I am looking to change my position. I ain't sitting around talking about I'm in a different position than the one I'm in. No person wins a war that way. In a war you don't want people telling you that you have all of the provisions you need when your provisions are low. You don't want people telling you that you have made your enemy retreat and they are about to surrender when your enemy has you surrounded in flanking positions. You should want the truth...at all times...if you plan to win that war.

Go down through the list of anyone who has made a significant impact on the collective pysche AND the practical everyday existence of black people...how many of them primarily focused on so-called "white supremacy?" Did Garvey? Did Lumumba? Did L' Ouverture?
I don't ride on the coat tails of others. I suspect that is not the reason I came to this planet. There were a lot of people on this planet already doing that. I suspect the Creator had something different in mind for me. But anyone who feels that is their destiny (destination) to ride on the coattails of others is qualified to think that.

No person in history has solved this problem, that is the reason it is still here so there are no examples of how to replace the SYSTEM of racism (white supremacy) with a SYSTEM of justice. the people who came before me did what they did. They also said what they said. When I showed up on the scene the problem was still here and it is still here today. Some people say racism (white supremacy) has always been here at it will always be here. Just look at what they are doing to replace it with a SYSTEM of justice. That is the refinement that I spoke about and the sophistication that MS spoke about. They are prisoners in a prison SYSTEM and saying they ain't in no prison. They ain't never gonna do nothing to get out of the prison if they don't think they are in a prison.

Beloved KgMS MS writes:From DustyElbow's post:

Banished: The Obscure Legacy of America’s Racial Expulsions
http://www.indypendent.org/2007/09/1...al-expulsions/

I know personally, I cannot afford to ignore the wisdom in your words. And while many of us will disagree, that we do need to focus on White Supremacy in order to fight it, the reality is that without true Military Strategy, as the one presented in “The Art of War” we will lose. There are many different spheres of thought as we all know about Racism. We know that Min. Farrakhan and our Ancestor Dr. Clarke had their different views.

KemetKind, you are like Dr. Clarke when he scolded the Minister for the Million Man march, because Millions of Men did go to Washington, but they also booked up the hotels and spent allot of money too that made whites richer. Dr. King’s march was said to be set up for the same purpose.

So we cannot ignore different perspectives. I hope to listen and learn. I share the perspective that we should indeed focus on Our Nation, the growth and survival or it, a separate and sovereign Black collective that we all help to evolve and improve.

I salute both of you. We know Bro. Williams is a man of action, and we need all Men of Action, to stand and fight for our causes. At the end of the day I know we all rest better, knowing Bro. Williams and those like him have their eyes wide open. I can tell that different Mindsets are built to deal with superior and inferior forces.


He will win who knows when to fight and when not to fight. He will win who knows how to handle both superior and inferior forces. He will win whose army is animated by the same spirit throughout all its ranks. He will win who, prepared himself, waits to take the enemy unprepared. He will win who has military capacity and is not interfered with by the sovereign.
-Sun Tzu, the Art of War

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I agree.

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Excellent question. For me, like with any other person who is prone to harm me, it keeps me focused on who is mistreating people on the basis of color. These are the people I am at odds with and who are at odds with me. These are the people I'm at war with and who are at war with me. And I need to be cognizant of that at all times.


That is one of the problems with a myopic focus only on so-called "white supremacy".

It is not only so-called "white" people who are mistreating us, and color is not the only grounds for this mistreatment.

To use your analogy, if you are in a war and are so focused on your main enemy you lose sight of the other four that are equally content to pilfer your resources and wipe you out, what kind of wisdom have you demonstrated?

You are stunting your own tactical and strategic options because you've chosen to view the world exactly the way your main enemy wants you to...on his terms, and with his dominance burned into your every waking thought....(everytime you say the phrase "white supremacy" you've sent another subconscious message to its mark).


I'm not sure I understand the question. Are asking if it is logical to advocate help from white people to solve problems and also say that we are in a SYSTEM of racism (white supremacy)?

Yes, that is exactly the question. It doesn't make much sense does it?

And this begging of so-called "white" people for justice and/or fair treatment is precisely what is advocated by the proponents of this concept.

When they talk about justice, they're talking about asking europeans, who are their admitted masters, to treat them with justice, since that's all they, admitted perpetual victims, are capable of doing.

We've been trying it for 40 years.

We got a few civil rights laws and a small taste of affirmative action....but we're worse off now than we were before.

Spending so much of our time identifying "white" racists for our "suspect list", instead of identifying plans for black development, or even black self defense...has taken its toll.

Meanwhile, you won't catch many "non-white" asians and indians lamenting publicly about euro racism...they just quietly go about the business of nation-building.

We are now 40 years behind these other so-called "non-white" people and we'll fall further behind unless our best and brightest realize it is only us and the euros who view the world in terms of "white" vs "non-white" people.

Is it coincidence the rest of the world advances against european domination while we are the only group regressing?


I advocate the production of justice and the white people who practice racism (white supremacy) ain't gonna help you with that. Any prisoner knows they need help from the warden but the warden ain't gonna help the prisoner tear down the prison SYSTEM.

Agreed 100%. Which is why i'm so disgusted with the philosophies advocating we continue to beg euros for justice.



it is an act of not lying to oneself. Any prisoner is a prison SYSTEM that says to themselves; well I'm really not in prison because I can go anywhere I want to in my own mind. The warden is in prison because he has to watch me.

That is a prisoner that ain't never gonna get out of that prison and the warden knows that prison ain't never gonna get out because they don't recognize that they are even in a prison SYSTEM.

Sure. We're on the same page here. It's the prisoner who walks around taking up each waking hour of every day complaining about the prison that is the issue.

We knocking on the warden's door asking for better treatment, spending all our time obsessed with every step the warden takes, completely ignoring the fact that those who went about the business of planning have long since broke out & made a way for themselves and their families.



The SYSTEM of racism (white supremacy) is a prison SYSTEM...a universal prison SYSTEM for all non-white people. You can't open a door to get out of it. There is no door that you can open that you can walk outside of the universe. The only way out of it is to replace it with a SYSTEM of justice. The only help you're gonna get doing that is from yourself.

Universal? Hardly. You give them and their system far too much credit.

The universe does not consist of white supremacy.



I don't focus on the SYSTEM of racism (white supremacy), I acknowledge its existence and I also acknowledge that I'm working to replace it with a better SYSTEM...a SYSTEM of justice. It is like reading a map. When you pull out a map to find directions the first thing you want to determine is where you are on the map. Once you find where you are you should want to find your destination on the map. And lastly, once you find where you are on the map and find your destination (where you want to go) on the map the next thing you want to find is the most logical and efficient route for you to get from where you are to where you want to be (your destination). And if you lie to yourself about where you are on the map the route you choose to your destination ain't never gonna make sense because you'll never get there.

Agreed with all of this.

But IF you spend most your time focused on where you are, rather than where you want to go, you never even BEGIN to figure out your destination, and you can't see that others are successfully walking from the same starting point en route to better destinations.

You look around one day and are totally alone because everyone else done got up and left...while you still there, still looking at your map, still stuck @ the same spot you were 40 years ago...still talking about "white supremacy" rules the universe.



I am saying I'm in a SYSTEM of racism (white supremacy) is just where I am on the map. My destination is a SYSTEM of justice.


Again, explain to me how you can replace "white supremacy" , which is so all powerful that it is the entire universe.

By your own definition of reality you have defeated yourself...permanently....as long as you persist with such a definition



There are people however who say they ain't in a SYSTEM of racism (white supremacy)...that they are at their destination already and their destination is a "conscious community" and that the SYSTEM of racism (white supremacy) doesn't exist...that white people ain’t' mistreating people on the basis of color and then up pops Katrina or Jena 6.


Apples and oranges.

"White Supremacy" only exists in the minds of racists and those who have chosen to internalize a belief that so-called "white" people are indeed superior.

Of course racism is real.

We didn't need Katrina or Jena 6 to know that.

Europeans have created a cultural system which at the moment has them in the most advantageous positon on the global stage.

They call that system "white supremacy".

They say they are masters of the universe.

Now if I come behind these europeans and start shouting about "white" people are superior beings who rule the universe via "white" supremacy am I fighting these europeans, or doing their bidding?


No person in history has solved this problem, that is the reason it is still here so there are no examples of how to replace the SYSTEM of racism (white supremacy) with a SYSTEM of justice.

Europeans do not rule the universe. In fact their dominance on this earth is lessening year by year.

No, there are no examples of a pollyannish "system of justice" but there are examples of nations which europeans will not F with.


the people who came before me did what they did. They also said what they said. When I showed up on the scene the problem was still here and it is still here today.

Everything you are saying and everything i'm saying has already been said before.

None of this is new.

At some point in the recent past we (black descendants of slaves in america) abandoned the principles behind what I'm saying and latched on fully to those behind what you're saying.

We've tried focusing on "white supremacy" for 40 years and it hasn't gotten us anywhere.

We've tried pretending other so-called "non-white" people are in the same boat, that some "people of color" coalition is going to help us....but that turns out to be bogus too.

Their kids aren't still getting raped and enslaved by europeans and arabs...ours...still...are.

I'm tired of the jazz about "white supremacy".

Recognize the europeans have an effective system in place.

Understand how it came to be, how it works, what it is and what it isn't.

But stop making the european into a god and @ the same time expecting to get anywhere other than under his boot with the heel on your neck.

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KemetKind, you are like Dr. Clarke when he scolded the Minister for the Million Man march, because Millions of Men did go to Washington, but they also booked up the hotels and spent allot of money too that made whites richer. Dr. King’s march was said to be set up for the same purpose.


Sister Goddess Auset333 I appreciate the spirit of this statement.

Yes, I think we need to look critically at the big picture, and at how effective our tactics are.

If they are not working we need to figure out why and try something different.

But in regards to your specific comparison, I don't think it entirely fits where I'm coming from.

I believe whatever negative of enriching euro businesses around DC was far outweighed by the spiritual & psychic enrichment that the million plus black men experienced on that blessed day in 1995.

I cannot say the same for our 40 year old free advertising for "white supremacy".

I don't think becoming aware of how the european uses cultural constructs to control other peoples requires we submit to and proliferate his doctrine of "white supremacy".

The negative far outweighs the positive, because we end up shackled and believing we are indeed inferior, rather than a people temporarily in an inferior position.

Whatever knowledge we gained is useless to others because we turn the european into the center of the universe.

Sure, get the knowledge. Study the european and what makes him tick. But overstand the asian, the indian and latino too.

Recognize the center of the universe within your own self and then it should be much easier to effectively prioritize our focus.












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Beloved kemetkind writes:Sure, get the knowledge. Study the european and what makes him tick. But overstand the asian, the indian and latino too.

Recognize the center of the universe within your own self and then it should be much easier to effectively prioritize our focus.
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That is one of the problems with a myopic focus only on so-called "white supremacy".

It is not only so-called "white" people who are mistreating us, and color is not the only grounds for this mistreatment.

To use your analogy, if you are in a war and are so focused on your main enemy you lose sight of the other four that are equally content to pilfer your resources and wipe you out, what kind of wisdom have you demonstrated?

You are stunting your own tactical and strategic options because you've chosen to view the world exactly the way your main enemy wants you to...on his terms, and with his dominance burned into your every waking thought....(everytime you say the phrase "white supremacy" you've sent another subconscious message to its mark).



Yes, that is exactly the question. It doesn't make much sense does it?

And this begging of so-called "white" people for justice and/or fair treatment is precisely what is advocated by the proponents of this concept.

When they talk about justice, they're talking about asking europeans, who are their admitted masters, to treat them with justice, since that's all they, admitted perpetual victims, are capable of doing.

We've been trying it for 40 years.

We got a few civil rights laws and a small taste of affirmative action....but we're worse off now than we were before.

Spending so much of our time identifying "white" racists for our "suspect list", instead of identifying plans for black development, or even black self defense...has taken its toll.

Meanwhile, you won't catch many "non-white" asians and indians lamenting publicly about euro racism...they just quietly go about the business of nation-building.

We are now 40 years behind these other so-called "non-white" people and we'll fall further behind unless our best and brightest realize it is only us and the euros who view the world in terms of "white" vs "non-white" people.

Is it coincidence the rest of the world advances against european domination while we are the only group regressing?


Agreed 100%. Which is why i'm so disgusted with the philosophies advocating we continue to beg euros for justice.



Sure. We're on the same page here. It's the prisoner who walks around taking up each waking hour of every day complaining about the prison that is the issue.

We knocking on the warden's door asking for better treatment, spending all our time obsessed with every step the warden takes, completely ignoring the fact that those who went about the business of planning have long since broke out & made a way for themselves and their families.




Universal? Hardly. You give them and their system far too much credit.

The universe does not consist of white supremacy.




Agreed with all of this.

But IF you spend most your time focused on where you are, rather than where you want to go, you never even BEGIN to figure out your destination, and you can't see that others are successfully walking from the same starting point en route to better destinations.

You look around one day and are totally alone because everyone else done got up and left...while you still there, still looking at your map, still stuck @ the same spot you were 40 years ago...still talking about "white supremacy" rules the universe.





Again, explain to me how you can replace "white supremacy" , which is so all powerful that it is the entire universe.

By your own definition of reality you have defeated yourself...permanently....as long as you persist with such a definition





Apples and oranges.

"White Supremacy" only exists in the minds of racists and those who have chosen to internalize a belief that so-called "white" people are indeed superior.

Of course racism is real.

We didn't need Katrina or Jena 6 to know that.

Europeans have created a cultural system which at the moment has them in the most advantageous positon on the global stage.

They call that system "white supremacy".

They say they are masters of the universe.

Now if I come behind these europeans and start shouting about "white" people are superior beings who rule the universe via "white" supremacy am I fighting these europeans, or doing their bidding?



Europeans do not rule the universe. In fact their dominance on this earth is lessening year by year.

No, there are no examples of a pollyannish "system of justice" but there are examples of nations which europeans will not F with.



Everything you are saying and everything i'm saying has already been said before.

None of this is new.

At some point in the recent past we (black descendants of slaves in america) abandoned the principles behind what I'm saying and latched on fully to those behind what you're saying.

We've tried focusing on "white supremacy" for 40 years and it hasn't gotten us anywhere.

We've tried pretending other so-called "non-white" people are in the same boat, that some "people of color" coalition is going to help us....but that turns out to be bogus too.

Their kids aren't still getting raped and enslaved by europeans and arabs...ours...still...are.

I'm tired of the jazz about "white supremacy".

Recognize the europeans have an effective system in place.

Understand how it came to be, how it works, what it is and what it isn't.

But stop making the european into a god and @ the same time expecting to get anywhere other than under his boot with the heel on your neck.
Do you frequently ask people questions so that you can answer their answers? If you have something to say just say it. This need black people have of attempting to make ourselves feel better or look better at the expense of other black people while at the same time talking about what black people need to stop doing is rather pathetic. Just start a thread and put in it everything you need to say about racism (white supremacy). That way whenever anyone else says anything about racism (white supremacy) you will not have to ask them questions so that they can answer you and then you answer their answers by responding to an answer they gave to a question you asked.

Do you frequently ask people questions so that you can answer their answers? If you have something to say just say it. This need black people have of attempting to make ourselves feel better or look better at the expense of other black people while at the same time talking about what black people need to stop doing is rather pathetic. Just start a thread and put in it everything you need to say about racism (white supremacy). That way whenever anyone else says anything about racism (white supremacy) you will not have to ask them questions so that they can answer you and then you answer their answers by responding to an answer they gave to a question you asked.


I'm sorry you took it that way brother Williams. I'm not out to make anyone look bad; I'm presenting a view which I think doesn't get enough attention.

But you're probably right, I've been thinking on this "white supremacy" trap so long that I've become too animated about it.

Because it seems so clear to me that we are wasting our energy constantly elevating the european, I want to find a way to get everyone else to feel the same way.

The irony is the time I spend in creating rebuttal for those who spend their time talking about "white supremacy"...still ends up with ME wasting time focused on europeans.

So thank you brother williams for helping me see that.

My last post on so-called "white supremacy" has been penned.

Peace.

I'm sorry you took it that way brother Williams. I'm not out to make anyone look bad; I'm presenting a view which I think doesn't get enough attention.

But you're probably right, I've been thinking on this "white supremacy" trap so long that I've become too animated about it.

Because it seems so clear to me that we are wasting our energy constantly elevating the european, I want to find a way to get everyone else to feel the same way.

The irony is the time I spend in creating rebuttal for those who spend their time talking about "white supremacy"...still ends up with ME wasting time focused on europeans.

So thank you brother williams for helping me see that.

My last post on so-called "white supremacy" has been penned.

Peace.
Oh no Sir, didn't mean for that to be your last post on the subject. It was not my intent, and never is, to silence anyone except, of course, the white people who practice racism (white supremacy). One of the things we need to do is to ask more questions. I don't think non-white people spend a lot of time focusing on racism (white supremacy) but you do. No problem there. I do think the white people who practice racism (white supremacy) spend a lot of time focusing on non-white people.

I'll be the first to ask a series of questions...very brief...and feel free to do so as well in your response. Let's both agree to the following format to see if we can improve our communications.

1) Brief Response
2) Brief Comment
3) Ask a Question

This l keeps the posts to a minimum and keeps us focused on solving a problem. No one to fall in love with our posts, no EGO to get in the way...just me and you attempting to solve a problem. And the biggest problem could be that neither of us has enough information. In fact that is probably it.

Who owns or runs what is call the "International Monetary Fund", white people or non-white people?

I'll be the first to ask a series of questions...very brief...and feel free to do so as well in your response. Let's both agree to the following format to see if we can improve our communications.


1) Brief Response
2) Brief Comment
3) Ask a Question

This l keeps the posts to a minimum and keeps us focused on solving a problem. No one to fall in love with our posts, no EGO to get in the way...just me and you attempting to solve a problem. And the biggest problem could be that neither of us has enough information. In fact that is probably it.


Fair enough brother. I can work with that.


Who owns or runs what is call the "International Monetary Fund", white people or non-white people?

Europeans own and run the IMF.

Which does what exactly brother Williams? What does placing them on your list accomplish? For you or for anyone else?

So-called "white supremacy" does not exist. It is a term we have adopted without realizing we are supporting the very intent of the term, which is to advance the cause of european global domination and control.

Those who advance the idea of "white supremacy" the loudest in the black community, seem to be the very same ones who advocate us seeking assistance from these so-called "whites" to solve our problems.

Is such an approach in the least bit logical?

It's tired. It's been tried for 40 years. It's time to reject this mindset completely in the conscious community because it has PROVEN itself to be ineffective.

No? Tell me then bro williams, what does putting a "white supremacist" on your suspect list accomplish for you or for anyone else?

What practical benefit is there in focusing on so-called "white supremacy", for you, or for anyone else. Go down through the list of anyone who has made a significant impact on the collective pysche AND the practical everyday existence of black people...how many of them primarily focused on so-called "white supremacy?" Did Garvey? Did Lumumba? Did L' Ouverture?

M.E. addressing the question of benefits of "racist suspect" list...Basically, it's about "Identity and Security" first and foremost. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ngzg7FR23AY)

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Excellent question. For me, like with any other person who is prone to harm me, it keeps me focused on who is mistreating people on the basis of color. These are the people I am at odds with and who are at odds with me. These are the people I'm at war with and who are at war with me. And I need to be cognizant of that at all times.


I'm not sure I understand the question. Are asking if it is logical to advocate help from white people to solve problems and also say that we are in a SYSTEM of racism (white supremacy)? I advocate the production of justice and the white people who practice racism (white supremacy) ain't gonna help you with that. Any prisoner knows they need help from the warden but the warden ain't gonna help the prisoner tear down the prison SYSTEM.

it is an act of not lying to oneself. Any prisoner is a prison SYSTEM that says to themselves; well I'm really not in prison because I can go anywhere I want to in my own mind. The warden is in prison because he has to watch me.

That is a prisoner that ain't never gonna get out of that prison and the warden knows that prison ain't never gonna get out because they don't recognize that they are even in a prison SYSTEM.

The SYSTEM of racism (white supremacy) is a prison SYSTEM...a universal prison SYSTEM for all non-white people. You can't open a door to get out of it. There is no door that you can open that you can walk outside of the universe. The only way out of it is to replace it with a SYSTEM of justice. The only help you're gonna get doing that is from yourself.


I don't focus on the SYSTEM of racism (white supremacy), I acknowledge its existence and I also acknowledge that I'm working to replace it with a better SYSTEM...a SYSTEM of justice. It is like reading a map. When you pull out a map to find directions the first thing you want to determine is where you are on the map. Once you find where you are you should want to find your destination on the map. And lastly, once you find where you are on the map and find your destination (where you want to go) on the map the next thing you want to find is the most logical and efficient route for you to get from where you are to where you want to be (your destination). And if you lie to yourself about where you are on the map the route you choose to your destination ain't never gonna make sense because you'll never get there.

I am saying I'm in a SYSTEM of racism (white supremacy) is just where I am on the map. My destination is a SYSTEM of justice. One of the ways I measure my progress to my destination is for me to remind myself of where I am on the map. I haven't gotten to my destination yet. But I'm working to get there. There are people however who say they ain't in a SYSTEM of racism (white supremacy)...that they are at their destination already and their destination is a "conscious community" and that the SYSTEM of racism (white supremacy) doesn't exist...that white people ain’t' mistreating people on the basis of color and then up pops Katrina or Jena 6. Well, the people who say that there is no SYSTEM of racism (white supremacy) a SYSTEM that imprisons non-white people as prisoners before they are born, are qualified to make that assessment just as I am qualified to make the assessment I have made about my position and my mission while I am on this planet. I ain't sellin' nothin'. This is my position and I am looking to change my position. I ain't sitting around talking about I'm in a different position than the one I'm in. No person wins a war that way. In a war you don't want people telling you that you have all of the provisions you need when your provisions are low. You don't want people telling you that you have made your enemy retreat and they are about to surrender when your enemy has you surrounded in flanking positions. You should want the truth...at all times...if you plan to win that war.


I don't ride on the coat tails of others. I suspect that is not the reason I came to this planet. There were a lot of people on this planet already doing that. I suspect the Creator had something different in mind for me. But anyone who feels that is their destiny (destination) to ride on the coattails of others is qualified to think that.

No person in history has solved this problem, that is the reason it is still here so there are no examples of how to replace the SYSTEM of racism (white supremacy) with a SYSTEM of justice. the people who came before me did what they did. They also said what they said. When I showed up on the scene the problem was still here and it is still here today. Some people say racism (white supremacy) has always been here at it will always be here. Just look at what they are doing to replace it with a SYSTEM of justice. That is the refinement that I spoke about and the sophistication that MS spoke about. They are prisoners in a prison SYSTEM and saying they ain't in no prison. They ain't never gonna do nothing to get out of the prison if they don't think they are in a prison.
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THANK YOU FOR BE~ING HERE AND SHARING..

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ummmm...

Sounds like I'll step back now as you two solve that current problem your working on....

I LOVE IT....Active and Open Dialogue....geared towards HELPING the Cause...

cause for M.E. = Liberation from this rat trap of white lunacy....


See...M.E. knew.....BROTHER'S GONE WORK IT OUT...:great:

ow i'm a step out...and watch ya'll 'problem solve'....
listening to learn and learning to listen

Bless..

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Fair enough brother. I can work with that.



Europeans own and run the IMF.
Sounds good. (Brief Response)
I have an uncle that lives in what is called Europe and he is darker than me. He says he is "European", whatever that means. (Brief Comment)
By European, are you referring to the people who say they are "white " people? (Ask a Question)

M.E. addressing the question of benefits of "racist suspect" list...Basically, it's about "Identity and Security" first and foremost. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ngzg7FR23AY)

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I agree sista true. Identity and security are important.

But who do we need to look towards to define ourselves?

Who do we need to depend on to secure ourselves?

If black people collectively spent 5 years on a list that identified every single racist, and every other person that sympathizes or coordinates with racists, are we any more or less secure than we were without the list?

Would it not be better if we had used that 5 years looking inwards working on real solutions that produce real results for solidifying our identity and security?

That's my only real point in all this. We spend a disporportionate amount of our energy focused externally to the detriment of our ability to develop internally...we're out of balance.

Sounds good. (Brief Response)
I have an uncle that lives in what is called Europe and he is darker than me. He says he is "European", whatever that means. (Brief Comment)
By European, are you referring to the people who say they are "white " people? (Ask a Question)

By European I'm referring to people of caucasian/aryan descent.

After you figure out how this european operates, which shouldn't take long because we have trailblazers like sista marimba ani and others who have laid it all out for us, what in your opinion SHOULD be the ratio of time spent building and countering, vs. time spent cataloging and identifying the behavior of racists?

By European I'm referring to people of caucasian/aryan descent.

After you figure out how this european operates, which shouldn't take long because we have trailblazers like sista marimba ani and others who have laid it all out for us, what in your opinion SHOULD be the ratio of time spent building and countering, vs. time spent cataloging and identifying the behavior of racists?
You didn't answer my question. I'll rephrase it. You asked a very important question though. (Brief Response)
We do them both at the same time. That is one of the things that stands out about the so-called "civil rights movement". The people in it didn't spend any enormous amount of time studying the behavior of the white people who practice racism (white supremacy). They made some immediate counter moves based on what they already knew at the time and studied the behavior of the white people who practice racism (white supremacy) and made additional counter moves along the way. We sdome immediate counter moves right now, study their behavior while we're making immediate counter moves, and make additional immediate counter moves based on what we learn from our study.(Brief Comment)
Do the people of "caucasian/aryan descent" also say that they are "white" people? (Ask a Question)

You didn't answer my question. I'll rephrase it. You asked a very important question though. (Brief Response)

Brother Williams I answered the original question you posed.

I'll repeat your question and my answer for clarity's sake.


By European, are you referring to the people who say they are "white " people? (Ask a Question)

and my response...


By European I'm referring to people of caucasian/aryan descent.

That seems a direct answer to me Bro Williams.

It also seems you are intent on focusing on so-called "white" people.

I am just as intent on making sure they are not my primary focus.


We do them both at the same time. That is one of the things that stands out about the so-called "civil rights movement". The people in it didn't spend any enormous amount of time studying the behavior of the white people who practice racism (white supremacy).

My question was about the RATIO of time spent focused externally vs. internally AFTER knowledge of external cultural systems is acquired.

When you say "we do them both at the same time", are you suggesting a 50:50 ratio?


Do the people of "caucasian/aryan descent" also say that they are "white" people? (Ask a Question)

Generally, yes. Sometimes not.

It doesn't matter to me one way or the other what they decide to call themselves. They are not difficult to identify and they don't appear to have problems with identity.

What matters is what we decide to call ourselves.

What matters is how we intend to position ourselves so that we may deal with ALL threats .

Question: Do most people of Black/Afrikan descent refer to ourselves as Black people?

Brother Williams I answered the original question you posed.

I'll repeat your question and my answer for clarity's sake.



and my response...



That seems a direct answer to me Bro Williams.

It also seems you are intent on focusing on so-called "white" people.

I am just as intent on making sure they are not my primary focus.



My question was about the RATIO of time spent focused externally vs. internally AFTER knowledge of external cultural systems is acquired.

When you say "we do them both at the same time", are you suggesting a 50:50 ratio?



Generally, yes. Sometimes not.

It doesn't matter to me one way or the other what they decide to call themselves. They are not difficult to identify and they don't appear to have problems with identity.

What matters is what we decide to call ourselves.

What matters is how we intend to position ourselves so that we may deal with ALL threats .

Question: Do most people of Black/Afrikan descent refer to ourselves as Black people?
I don't know the answer to your question. (Brief Response)
I don't know what the ratio of time spent is for focusing on "cultural systems" externally versus internally and I don't need to know to solve this problem. I'm like a person with a bad tooth ache when it comes to solving the problem of people being mistreated on the basis of color. I want something done about it right now. I don't want to intellectualize about it, study why white people mistreat people on the basis of color for the next 20 years before I do something about it,...NO. I'm like Rosa Parks...I'm not getting up. I'm working against the SYSTEM of racism (white supremacy) right now...not tomorrow...not next week...right now...and that is my position each and every day. (Not So Brief Comment. I'll keep them shorter in the future)
If a nuclear war broke out today, the white people of the planet against the non-white people of the planet, would there be more white people alive after the dust cleared or would there be more non-white people alive after the dust cleared? (Ask A Question)

If a nuclear war broke out today, the white people of the planet against the non-white people of the planet, would there be more white people alive after the dust cleared or would there be more non-white people alive after the dust cleared? (Ask A Question)


I asked two questions and you didn't answer either of them.

We aren't getting anywhere with this.

I don't care to talk about so-called "white" people and you don't appear to be interested in talking about anything else.

We are at an impasse so I'm going to step aside.

Peace Brother Williams and I wish you success in your endeavors

I asked two questions and you didn't answer either of them.

We aren't getting anywhere with this.

I don't care to talk about so-called "white" people and you don't appear to be interested in talking about anything else.

We are at an impasse so I'm going to step aside.

Peace Brother Williams and I wish you success in your endeavors
Yes Sir. Hetep.

I asked two questions and you didn't answer either of them.

Ok...As a "Communications Coach.... (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WvbtdeZErM0)

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Ok...As a "Communications Coach.... (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WvbtdeZErM0)

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Thank you sista True for taking the time to make a video response on this issue. It is much appreciated and I'm definitely willing to build with you in any future discussions on these issues.

I appreciate your attention to detail with regards to your re-statement of the questions asked and the responses given.

But notice I said responses given, not answers.

Using your communications coach experience as reference, imagine I asked you, "how much time SHOULD you spend watching TV every day?"

Imagine you respond, "I don't know", and "I don't need to know"...and then you turn around and ask me a different unrelated question....

Have you answered my question, or have you dodged it?

Yes you responded to me, but have you facilitated communication?

When you take a multiple choice exam and you leave all of the boxes empty on one question because you don't know the answer, did you in fact answer the question, or did you bypass it?

Sure, in some technical sense a non-answer equates to an answer.

But...IF we are creating a communication model where the primary elements are questions and the responses to them, we will only end up talking around each other if questions are "answered" with "I don't know the answer, and I don't need to know the answer."

Recognizing this, and recognizing we are both (Bro Williams and I) in fact fighting the same enemy, but on different fronts, and with two radically different tactics, I concluded it's not fruitful for either of us to continue engaging without much likelihood of results.

There are a whole slew of thinkers and doers that agree 100% with the Brother Williams, Neely Fuller, Welsing...."white supremacy" is all powerful crowd.

I'd say in terms of the "conscious" community they are by far in the majority.

They won't be easily convinced to see things from this other perspective I'm trying to represent, and I'm certain IF they can be convinced, it won't be mere words that do the convincing.

So knowing all that, it makes sense for me to focus more on efforts aligned with strategy that makes sense to me as producing results.

Results convince where words cannot.

Not to say one perspective is wrong, and the other right, maybe some combination of both is needed (which is where I was headed with the ratio question).

But for me personally, the more I learn about how the black people who propagandize white superiority think, the more I'm developing disdain for their ideology, and the more I'm starting to be convinced mass acceptance of that ideology is one of the primary culprits in our inability to make sufficient progress on the world stage.

Peace sista true...I thoroughly enjoyed your video response.

But...IF we are creating a communication model where the primary elements are questions and the responses to them, we will only end up talking around each other if questions are "answered" with "I don't know the answer, and I don't need to know the answer."


This observation is understood.

What I noticed is people in dialogue have the tendency to assume that the rules that intermediate their deductive process (ie language ..morphemes) is representative of a "Universal Standard." In all actuality the "ingredience" that were considered to formulate their *inductive* platform (As Sis Marimba calls "Their frame of reference") which their deduction seeks to consistently validate, is not made clear from the jump. In my observation ...Bro Edwards is always seeking (Through thought speech and action) to validate the premise he operates from (that he also views as being a Universal application of LOGIC) which is The Model or Framework of counter racist logic; stemming from what is covered in the inductive premise of the United Compensatory Code book. Most questions that are equally deductively based (sometimes without clearly defining the "Model" it ensues from) will recieve answers or non-answers based in the contrary model causing irreconciliable conflict. (Acquiesce or war) Peace

Brother KemetKind!

Thank you for your response and for "listening" to M.E. share.

I made another vedwo reply here...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i4b442vIiQ0

Yet..was not finished..ran out of time and would like to come back and finish some comments/commentary

MenNefer..

working to overstand what you saying....reading and rereading...

I look forward to continued dialogue

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Young Singers Spread Racist Hate

Thirteen-year-old twins Lamb and Lynx Gaede have one album out, another on the way, a music video, and lots of fans.

They may remind you of another famous pair of singers, the Olsen Twins, and the girls say they like that. But unlike the Olsens, who built a media empire on their fun-loving, squeaky-clean image, Lamb and Lynx are cultivating a much darker personna. They are white nationalists and use their talents to preach a message of hate.

http://abcnews.go.com/Primetime/story?id=1231684&page=1

Racist White Girl Group on Billboard Charts
Body: RACISM GROWS, September 22, 2006

By Claudia Rosett and George Russell

What does it mean for Black America that a hate preaching music duo could debut on the Billboard albums chart?

This week, the Billboard albums chart's top five is packed with nothing but new releases, with Bakersfield, CA Pop duo Prussian Blue shocking the nation by taking ..4 after selling 91, 000 copies of "End of A Black World" its first week out. The album is also serving as the soundtrack to a remake of one of the most controversial movies in U.S. history "Birth Of A Nation".

"End of A Black World" is the third and most successful album for 12 and 13 year old Lamb and Lynx, who have recently relocated to a private compound in Salt Lake City, Utah after their last album gained them national attention and death threats. The girls were lost, especially in December of 2005 when their father was shot twice by an AME Minister. However, their father survived and their career was revived by what seems to be an unfathomable paradigm shift in American values.

"It really breaks my heart to see those two girls spewing out that kind of garbage, " said Ted Shaw, civil rights advocate and president of the NAACP's Legal Defense Fund.

"This is bull****. Right now I am more so shocked that an album advocating the extermination of the black race could be so widely received by America, " continued Shaw, who plans to protest the girls' album and call for black artists to boycott Billboard.

Jessie Jackson of The Rainbow PUSH Coalition gave the following statement, "White America has spoken. Billboard has spoken. This is only the beginning."

The beginning is just what Lynx and Lamb, who have been nurtured on racist beliefs since birth by their mother April, are hoping for. "We hope to bring about change in our people, " said Lamb. "We hope that our album and Birth Of A Nation will show our people exactly what needs to be done to make this country safe and white."

When asked about their inspiration for their latest efforts, Lynx gave this response. "I saw white people hating white people. I was afraid that America wanted to be black, " said Lynx. "I saw that funny ******'s show where he made a mockery of the KKK and white people were laughing. This broke my heart."

Lynx was speaking of Actor/Comedian Dave Chapelle and his comic sketch depicting a blind, African American, Ku Klux Klan leader who was unaware that he was not white. Dave Chapelle is also believed to be the inspiration of their single, "Funny ******, " which describes the gruesome fate of blacks who taunt whites. Dave Chapelle was not availible for comment.

Prussian Blue appear to have gone from one of America's dirty little secrets to Pop princesses overnight. The group is now fielding offers from major record labels such as MGM and Geffen. This may be only the beginning.

Track Listing for "End Of A Black World"

1) Dawn of A New White World
2) Birth Of A Nation
3) Purest Soul
4) Tainted Blood
5) Affirmative Blaction
6) Reggin & Ekik
7) The Cleansing (interlude)
[Cool] Short Drop and A Quick Stop
9) Burning Cross
10) N.A.A.C.P. (******s Against A Colorless People)
11) Funny Rich ******
12) Crack Babies
13) ****** Lovers
14) No Darkie In Me
15) End Of A Black World
16) Hess' Prayer

http://www.stankonia.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=20359&sid=b8e86dadbb9d4f2997273accdf01119c
http://www.publicenemy.com/pb/viewtopic.php?t=33469&sid=b3b1243a6122fa0f8b398b18fa455600

OK...so who's going to be the first to say "I told you so?"