judging from the heated exchanges about micheal vick, i get the feeling that some folk feel blackman is never guilty.
when ever a brother is up in the court it is always the white injustice system out to get him. homie ain't never commit no crime.

let's put aside the fact that in philly, the injustice system is heavily populated by black judges, attorneys and police.
we all know any black working in criminal justice is a sell out, right? a real brother would never become a detective, right?
must be a sell out.

is blackman ever guilty of anything? what would the system have to do to convince black folks that it is a real crime?
do black people want the justice system dis banded? free all the prisoners? no snitch? shall we go back to no law at all?

is every blackman always a victim?

*Looking around my community*

Looks like many are guilty!

:heart:

judging from the heated exchanges about micheal vick, i get the feeling that some folk feel blackman is never guilty.
when ever a brother is up in the court it is always the white injustice system out to get him. homie ain't never commit no crime.

let's put aside the fact that in philly, the injustice system is heavily populated by black judges, attorneys and police.
we all know any black working in criminal justice is a sell out, right? a real brother would never become a detective, right?
must be a sell out.

is blackman ever guilty of anything? what would the system have to do to convince black folks that it is a real crime?
do black people want the justice system dis banded? free all the prisoners? no snitch? shall we go back to no law at all?

is every blackman always a victim?

Greetings...I AM Abena...the RE~covering Afreekan enslaved in amerikkka and RE~presenting the Voices in the Margins..and...who is truetothecause of Afreekan Liberation...

You know Jamesfromphilly (my hometown)
I overstand that Men of AFreekan Descent commit "crimes"...my primary problem today and the whole reason I trust WE are seeking liberation is because the "laws" are CREATED BY THEM and are Unequally applied...
now I'm going to "talk" about this and be back....

:hearts2:

more from M.E. on this topic (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6mMqFDph8xQ)

PurpleMoons...I'm basically talking about the FACT that the "laws" which WE are held so strictly to were created by THEM.....based on THEIR jacked up BE~haviors towards US and all the peoples of the world..

RE~covery teaches US to take "first things first"...My "first" thing would BE to HOLD THEM ACCOUNTABLE FOR THE ATROCITIES COMMITTED AGAINST WE...
and...

I discuss the Reality of "getting out what is put in"...therefore...the "criminal" behaviors WE see US committing is nothing short of what was done to US...what WE have been programmed to doing...

however...does a computer KNOW that it has been programmed to function ina particular way? NO...unless your living in a time depicted by the "Terminator" series...or the will Smith movie :?:...where computers BE~came "aware" or "conscious"

:hearts2:

This is a very important topic to discuss because we are dealing with a system that affects everyone here directly. The system of law enforcement.

Its not that “Black men are never guilty” the fact is, most Black men are racial profiled even by their own people because of being black. Atlanta like Philly has allot of Blacks in Law enforcement, in Government and Judges....that hate Black people.

I spoke earlier about the “white mind” mentally that some of us have. But what does Maat teach us. Place yourself in the shoes of the accused and then ask yourself, is this right? How many Black Men have we seen come out of jail, OLD – because DNA has proven their innocence? How many times have we seen that? For the legal system, being Black, especially a dark skinned Black man is enough.

http://www.foxnews.com/images/156920/14_28_031205_nichols7.jpg

Is this Black man guilty. Of course. If I shot up the Judge and a few others, standing in his shoes I would say yes. I did it. Do with me as you must.

Brian Nichols with the help of the media, helped to shut down Atlanta for 2-3 days, people were in panic that he was loose. Because he’s a big bad Black man. Ouuuu – he’s gonna kill everyone. Run! It was like a bad Martin Episode.
MadDog’s a coming!!!

Blacks have allowed Whites to retard them with fear. We have even become more retarded than them in most places. If I killed anyone, it’s because I want you to kill me. Put me out my misery. Get me off this island. Don’t keep me around poking me with your needles to find out how I tick.

I don’t want to say what we should do to correct these problems, let’s deal with the here and now. In the here and now, we already know who the guilty Black Men are. You don’t have to be a super Genius to find that out. In the hood. But the hood is created so poor and middle class Whites can eat.

You can’t stop a criminal unless you can stop the systems that manufacture that criminal. Media has given most of us a bad case of tunnel vision. These problems are much wider and broader than Brian Nichols. We feel worthy because they give us an opportunity to eavesdrop on 1 or 2 cases, but what about the judicial system where you live? How many of us are actually concerned about what’s going on there? No, we wait for the media to tell us about what we should be concerned about.

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/law/sniper/images/sniper_court.jpg
Ohhh, here’s some guilty Brothas if I ever seen any.

http://www.mp3sugar.com/ishow.img/artist/artist_2716
Please ya’ll….don’t send a Brotha to prison.

Its not that Black Men are never guilty. How long will we allow the legal system to create the registration marks that further the incarceration of the innocent Black men? Who among us has discovered a way to judge the difference between the innocent and the guilty without facial recognition? Without the subconscious? Without suggesting the white programming already in our minds? Oh, he look’s just like George down the block from me, oh I know he’s guilty. All these Nggas around here doing dirt, he look’s just like Joe, we need to clean up the block! Jail all of 'em!

My point is, no one has discovered a way to separate “US” from “THEM” – no one has. Because depending on where you look, and on what day, some of us ARE Them, and THEY are some of US. I don’t care if you’re a Black Man in a wheel chair or on bed rest. You could be guilty of something.

Just because you’re black in this country, there is something you should be punished for. When people deal with that reality, then we can move on to solving this problem. But most people aren’t willing to realize that the quilt and innocence factor starts in our minds first.

What I fight for is a fair system of judgment. CNN is not your representative. CNN and other news channels sell advertising, and use hot stories that bring them the most viewers. Crime in the Black community is not even the biggest news, in some cases it does affect you. But its not the BIGGEST news.

The biggest news is what the local governments are decided for us, in the here and now. The biggest news is how drugs and guns are distributed into the communities in the first place. The biggest news is how Churches keep many of us blind from what is going on around us, when it should be keeping us away. These are all crimes. And many of us are guilty of many of them.

The biggest news is that whenever a new black baby is born in the “hood” a crime has been committed. And when they start rounding up so-called “baby daddies”, and when White America is getting the full value of their investment- “Nggas” those of you who think you are safe, won’t be safe at all. Those you who think you have rights, won’t have rights. Those of you can sit and judge Black crimes along with the whites who accuse those crimes, will be the very ones they will find a way to get at next.

I guess we haven’t figured it out yet.

We’re all in the same boat, guilty or innocent. Guilty Blacks seem to be our only line of defense. Oh sweet Jesus, just let them keep going after the Nggas, cause God forbid they start coming after US.

Black Men are not automatically criminals, just as Black Women are not automatically- W-hores, but there are many far to many of us who believe this...and we don't have to say it or articulate it- we can tell by what we vote for with our minds.

You can't cure the sick with ill Doctors...

Meta- guilty as charged.....

Peace and Blessings to ALL!

I would like to point out that we as a people must be on the side of law before we can begin to discuss law. The bottom line is that our people the so-called black people, afican americans etc discuss only what they "think" law is and how they "think" law works. I have yet to read anything that is actually factual and can be proven. Playing into this black and white people game is broken law # 1. There are no "white" people and there are no "black" people. Everybody has a national pedigree blood line from which they come. If a dog even has one then I know a human being has one. (I.E. a "German" Sheapard, a "French" Poodle, an "English" Bulldog, etc) We as a people come from many different schools of thought and have various knowledge about many different things concerning the truth about our people. However thus far none of this has actually freed us as a separate and independent nation of people. We have to know things and not just think or feel a certain way about something. I know that many who read what I have said about people being "black" or "white" will disagree but ask yourself do you have any proof to bear witness against me, because I have the proof that I am right and exact. As a matter of fact those who will disagree with me are walking around with documentation in their pockets, wallets, and purses that will prove me right and they don't even know it. I can say these things because I study law and I know the clever deception of our former slave masters and their children. Those who read this please do not misinterpet my words as stating that black is negative, because we who are learned know that everything in the universe has a positive and negative. What I'm saying is we as a people must be wise and really know and understand what we are saying relative to the venue we are in and/or topic we are discussing. I trust I have said something that will cause one to take a deeper look into the problems that we face as a people.

Peace on Earth and Good Will to Men

certain crimes are not dependent on cultural back ground.
all around the world, if you shoot a man dead you got a crime.
but i'm talking about the USA.

can we agree that pookie shall not shoot ray ray?

certain crimes are not dependent on cultural back ground.
all around the world, if you shoot a man dead you got a crime.
but i'm talking about the USA.

can we agree that pookie shall not shoot ray ray?

yes we can agree that pookie shall not shoot ray ray.....DEPENDING on the circumstances..

cause...what if ray ray raped pookie's sister or mom? and then to add insult to injury...the "law" can find no proof that ray ray was the rapist..yet....mom or sister identified him as so and....ray ray brags to pookie bout how he got off....what ought pookie's response BE?

this is just for conversations sake...let's talk! unpack this ish

:hearts2:

Beloved All King gods/goddesses, Mighty warriors who have expressed themselves on these "Hot":hot: threads, I salute and bow to you who speak Truth/Reality.

There is so many powerful statements being spoken.

So, Now Beloved One, when are we going to gather together, reason together leaving EGO behind, and attend a Divine Black Spiritual Retreat to discuss the Plans that can not be discussed on this Internet, plans for our Exodus out of this foul stack of stench we are in, in this system, that was designed to use and abuse, because the Heat is On Us? When Beloved Ones? When?

What we must do is in the below Link
http://destee.com/forums/showthread.php?t=50470
Lets Link up and break the Bread of Truth/Reality face to face.

What Time is It?

I do not hear you.

What Time Is It?

Hon. Bob. Marley: No Mo Fussin and Fighting with each other. We are only saying prayers to the devil...
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I say why not come together and reason with each other, make it much easier. No, we just can not continue thi s negative way. we must make way for our positive days...pathing the way for other

Time to Shake, Rattle, and Roll with ALL the Truth/Reality in each of us.

All Blacks who have been shown Truth/reality and still refuse to Be/Speak Truth have Committed Crime Call Unconsciousness, which is the worse SIN, whatever SIN is called, Self Inflicted Nonsense, when we refuse to KNOW..


Here is loving you/Afrika (HILY/A

:qqb023: :SuN040: :SuN030:


STRIVING TOWARDS MY UTOPIA

i'm afarid of airplanes............:em3000:

i'm afarid of airplanes............:em3000:
bout a train, bus, car,...or....held in YOUR(our) hometown:?:

:hearts2:

Now, here's an example of a GUILTY BLACK MAN who received 2 consecutive life terms, plus 20 years for sexually molesting 2 children here in Atlanta.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jbfZGSy-ydY

Listen to what the Judge says to the Mother. This is what WE AS A COMMUNITY need to be saying to each other! In fact, I'm willing to bet my life, that many of us know Women just like this mother.

Yet we are willing to focus our minds on the Michael Vicks and all the high-profile cases we see instead of focusing our minds on what is going on right in our communities.

Look at this Brotha. Just look at him. He could be the Brotha at your job. Such crimes are committed all the time, and far too often that most people are willing to admit. The problem is, there is no community anymore.

Everyone living in poverty and isolation is guilty.
In fact, if you are living in isolation and are poor, is easier for you to go to Prison. Guilty or innocent, if you get arrested or accused of a crime - you have to pay to prove either way.

Should we blame the insecure Mothers, dying for someone to love them, and they choose any Man off the street? Yes. We should. But let's examine the REAL guilty parties here.

In many states, allowing a child to witness Sex, is a form of child abuse. That means, if the child sees you having sex, if the child get his/her hand on pornographic material, if the child see sex on TV- you can go to prison.

That being the case. Why is violence not a form of child abuse? if the child sees violence in the home, or violence on TV? Because violence on TV sells ads, and the law would never want to take away their bread and butter.
So why do you wait for the judicial systems to set up laws for us? We know what is correct and just- we should. Especially if we are in our right minds.

Child abuse, child sexual abuse, all of these things parade the Black community and folks see it, and turn the other way. We know it exists, because if it didn't exist- Homosexuality would not exist. Hello? No. Turn your heads and keep silent, because God forbid someone starts speaking the truth. I can tell who the guilty parties are, by what we vote for with our minds. Men who have to no limitations to their sexual conduct and verse are usually the same Men, who molest young Women at 12, 14, 15 years old. He doesn't care. "You know how I do" he'd say. But we celebrate these Men in our music. We celebrate them. The Women smile at them when they throw derogatory remarks at them on the corner. You mean, we have to wait until a CRIME is committed to tell who is Guilty?? That is Un-African. Even your scriptures tell you - by their FRUITS, you will know them.

“Watch your thoughts, for they become words.
Watch your words, for they become actions.
Watch your actions, for they become habits.
Watch your habits, for they become character.
Watch your character, for it becomes your destiny.”

MS: :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:
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:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

Where there is no Degrees/levels of Divine consciouness among the people collectively, there is no community, because everything is Mind. We have a community where the Blind is leading the blind, and those who are conscious among them they reject. Most of our people have become like OWLS. The more light shines on an OWL the less the Owl sees. The more truth/Reality shine on our people the less they see.

:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

I sat with three Indian Womb genders yesterday who said that america has been come a Throw away nation. ameica throw away their womb genders (females), men, children, & elders. These womb genders are preparing for what they see as a recession happening in america. Before I met these womb genders yesterday, I was reading in National Geographic magazine about the same thing going on all over the world, and how people are refusing to settle in their corrupt society. Nomads many are becoming. People are tired of the lies and deception (BS), Brain Strain, Lies and deception does to people.

The Have Nots need to KNOT together to build a community.

These Indian Womb genders and I sat for over an hour discussing plans to be separated from this madness. We discussed living far away from society like on a reservation. We talked about what we would have on this reservation, such as every SEED that has ever been created. The different type of animals, not to eat, but to produce that we need. These WG's have even purchased SEEDS from stores and keep them for when such a time to come come, that will force us to live on a reservation. I myself will be purchasing every SEED I can find in the stores. When droughts comes, as long as there is water, we can plant the seeds to eat and feed others. If we do not start now planting this thought in our mind-set we will lose our and many lives.

Some may say they cannot live on a reservation. We are what we think. If we cannot live off a reservation we can not live on one. If we call where we are now Living, we are in denial and deception. At least on a reservation we are Free Thinkers, non-conformist, lien-holders of our own conscious, close to Nature/Universe. At least these womb genders and I are planning. Those who say they can not live on a reservation, are not planners and strategic, and those who are not will die worrying, waiting for another Jesus Ship to come save them. Those who say they can not are Selfish Individuals. This life is not FOR OURSELVES ALONE. One has to have a Grunt, Gypsy, Pioneer Warrior Spirit to know how to survive off the land. Is not the Earth a part of us?

If we are not prepared to fly, fearful of flying, we are already some what dead, or will die. We never know what Mode of Transportation that will lift us up out of this madness.

Proverbs: Some people are afraid to look for work because they are afraid a lion will get them.
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The Lamb that did not get ate up had a Lion mind.
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Our Divine Mission assignment does not carry the cargo of left behind mind fearful people, Only fearless people.
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MS: “Watch your thoughts, for they become words.
Watch your words, for they become actions.
Watch your actions, for they become habits.
Watch your habits, for they become character.
Watch your character, for it becomes your destiny.”

Beloved Metasaience, as always
:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

:qqb018: :qqb018: :qqb018:

Make no treaties with the enemies
Take no Wooden Nickels
Take no prisoners

Whatever it is to be done, it is my desire It all be Done in Afrika. Where ever I Am, Afrika Is.
Afrika (us) is still paradise in spite of Her (our) conditions.

i'm afarid of airplanes............:em3000:
bout a train, bus, car,...or....held in YOUR(our) hometown:?:

:hearts2:
i'm afraid of black people.......:em3000:

Now, here's an example of a GUILTY BLACK MAN who received 2 consecutive life terms, plus 20 years for sexually molesting 2 children here in Atlanta.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jbfZGSy-ydY

Listen to what the Judge says to the Mother. This is what WE AS A COMMUNITY need to be saying to each other! In fact, I'm willing to bet my life, that many of us know Women just like this mother.

Yet we are willing to focus our minds on the Michael Vicks and all the high-profile cases we see instead of focusing our minds on what is going on right in our communities.

Look at this Brotha. Just look at him. He could be the Brotha at your job. Such crimes are committed all the time, and far too often that most people are willing to admit. The problem is, there is no community anymore.

Everyone living in poverty and isolation is guilty.
In fact, if you are living in isolation and are poor, is easier for you to go to Prison. Guilty or innocent, if you get arrested or accused of a crime - you have to pay to prove either way.

Should we blame the insecure Mothers, dying for someone to love them, and they choose any Man off the street? Yes. We should. But let's examine the REAL guilty parties here.

In many states, allowing a child to witness Sex, is a form of child abuse. That means, if the child sees you having sex, if the child get his/her hand on pornographic material, if the child see sex on TV- you can go to prison.

That being the case. Why is violence not a form of child abuse? if the child sees violence in the home, or violence on TV? Because violence on TV sells ads, and the law would never want to take away their bread and butter.
So why do you wait for the judicial systems to set up laws for us? We know what is correct and just- we should. Especially if we are in our right minds.

Child abuse, child sexual abuse, all of these things parade the Black community and folks see it, and turn the other way. We know it exists, because if it didn't exist- Homosexuality would not exist. Hello? No. Turn your heads and keep silent, because God forbid someone starts speaking the truth. I can tell who the guilty parties are, by what we vote for with our minds. Men who have to no limitations to their sexual conduct and verse are usually the same Men, who molest young Women at 12, 14, 15 years old. He doesn't care. "You know how I do" he'd say. But we celebrate these Men in our music. We celebrate them. The Women smile at them when they throw derogatory remarks at them on the corner. You mean, we have to wait until a CRIME is committed to tell who is Guilty?? That is Un-African. Even your scriptures tell you - by their FRUITS, you will know them.

“Watch your thoughts, for they become words.
Watch your words, for they become actions.
Watch your actions, for they become habits.
Watch your habits, for they become character.
Watch your character, for it becomes your destiny.”


My Question:

HOW DID WE BECOME SO M.A.D.? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MR-Hll8vELo)
It's a slow kinda start yet...If you stay with M.E.

Part 2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jPnz2sVF-_k)

you'll see/hear a strong finish:SuN037:

:hearts2:

i'm afraid of black people.......:em3000:

And I wonder how that happened?!?:?:

:hearts2:

If A Nubian Brother . Kill's / sexually molesting children / Stealing / Rapeing Women / Beat Up The Elder's / Shooting Incents Woman / Children / Robbing People Etc Etc . And It Can Be Proveing Beyond A Shadow of Doubt that he did it Lock , His Sorry ***** Up So The Brother's In The Belly Of The Beast Deal With Him . Not A Hard Question To Answer .

Sometimes I wonder if I am dealing with adults here. Of course most of the black men in jail are guilty. A substantial number of them have plead guilty to the crime they were charged with. Charges of racism are so common coming from black people, that it is disappointing when the charge is not made.

Since I work in law enforcement I feel that I should respond. Being guilty of a crime and serving time are two different things. One can be guilty and still be aquitted. Witness OJ and Michael Jackson. Both are black and rich. There was all kinds of evidence mounted against both of them, everything except a video tape, yet because of money and good attorney's they got off. This is what happens to many whites also, they pay an atorney to get them off. Poor black men use court appointed attorneys, who are not interested in them because they aren't making a big pay check from the case, so they tell them to plead guilty to a lesser charge and go to jail for a shorter period of time. It's simple economics and culture in most cases, not just race.

The jails are so overcrowder, that they are releasing convicts before they serve their time. So "no", it's not about putting as many black men in jail as possible. I read on Black America Web, that in Baltimore they are actually aqiuitting guilty young black men of murder, because they don't want to appear to be racist. Some of these men return to their communities and wreak more havoc.

We are a people who, for the mnost part, are totally dependent on white folks for our survival. That is why there are racial problems. They hear your racial slurs too, but they can retaliate. What can you do but complain? We have to start caring more about our yung black men who are lost and want to find a way to the right path. The rest can stay behind bars

The slavery issue is dead and should be buried. This is like a black eye, if someone hit me and gave me a black eye, I'd go home an nurse myself back to health. I wouldn't let it fester for one hundred and fifty years, while waiting for the assailant to come back and make restitution. Hell, he might just hit me in the other one, and put his foot up my butt too.

Sometimes I wonder if I am dealing with adults here. Of course most of the black men in jail are guilty. A substantial number of them have plead guilty to the crime they were charged with. Charges of racism are so common coming from black people, that it is disappointing when the charge is not made.

Since I work in law enforcement I feel that I should respond. Being guilty of a crime and serving time are two different things. One can be guilty and still be aquitted. Witness OJ and Michael Jackson. Both are black and rich. There was all kinds of evidence mounted against both of them, everything except a video tape, yet because of money and good attorney's they got off. This is what happens to many whites also, they pay an atorney to get them off. Poor black men use court appointed attorneys, who are not interested in them because they aren't making a big pay check from the case, so they tell them to plead guilty to a lesser charge and go to jail for a shorter period of time. It's simple economics and culture in most cases, not just race.

The jails are so overcrowder, that they are releasing convicts before they serve their time. So "no", it's not about putting as many black men in jail as possible. I read on Black America Web, that in Baltimore they are actually aqiuitting guilty young black men of murder, because they don't want to appear to be racist. Some of these men return to their communities and wreak more havoc.

We are a people who, for the mnost part, are totally dependent on white folks for our survival. That is why there are racial problems. They hear your racial slurs too, but they can retaliate. What can you do but complain? We have to start caring more about our yung black men who are lost and want to find a way to the right path. The rest can stay behind bars

The slavery issue is dead and should be buried. This is like a black eye, if someone hit me and gave me a black eye, I'd go home an nurse myself back to health. I wouldn't let it fester for one hundred and fifty years, while waiting for the assailant to come back and make restitution. Hell, he might just hit me in the other one, and put his foot up my butt too.



Hummmmmmmmmm I Can See Why Some People Don't Trust Cop's

Sometimes I wonder if I am dealing with adults here. Of course most of the black men in jail are guilty. A substantial number of them have plead guilty to the crime they were charged with. Charges of racism are so common coming from black people, that it is disappointing when the charge is not made.

Since I work in law enforcement I feel that I should respond. Being guilty of a crime and serving time are two different things. One can be guilty and still be aquitted. Witness OJ and Michael Jackson. Both are black and rich. There was all kinds of evidence mounted against both of them, everything except a video tape, yet because of money and good attorney's they got off. This is what happens to many whites also, they pay an atorney to get them off. Poor black men use court appointed attorneys, who are not interested in them because they aren't making a big pay check from the case, so they tell them to plead guilty to a lesser charge and go to jail for a shorter period of time. It's simple economics and culture in most cases, not just race.

The jails are so overcrowder, that they are releasing convicts before they serve their time. So "no", it's not about putting as many black men in jail as possible. I read on Black America Web, that in Baltimore they are actually aqiuitting guilty young black men of murder, because they don't want to appear to be racist. Some of these men return to their communities and wreak more havoc.

We are a people who, for the mnost part, are totally dependent on white folks for our survival. That is why there are racial problems. They hear your racial slurs too, but they can retaliate. What can you do but complain? We have to start caring more about our yung black men who are lost and want to find a way to the right path. The rest can stay behind bars

The slavery issue is dead and should be buried. This is like a black eye, if someone hit me and gave me a black eye, I'd go home an nurse myself back to health. I wouldn't let it fester for one hundred and fifty years, while waiting for the assailant to come back and make restitution. Hell, he might just hit me in the other one, and put his foot up my butt too.
I'm sorry, but that is wrong..............just plain wrong!

it is my opinion that we have become too forgiving and too accepting of the criminals among us.
there are reasons for this i understand, but it has become a problem. there is too much crime in the community!
it has to stop. we have to stop it. we need law enforcement in the community.
blackman must enforce.

I have the same problems in my community. I do not like my children being a chance victim of some random violence at the hands of some programmed brothers whom think that this is them and there accustomed life style(ie thugs gangbangging and keeping it real). However i also do not like allways being a member of the random round up of every blackman in the community being handcuffed . allways reminding me that i am constantly a step from incarseration if someone deems it neccessary in this country. To the point at hand (micheal vick). I personally am disgusted with the hyprocracy of white society. While they hunt and kill for re creation they want to condem this brother like he is a priest or something! Oh wait preist have a three strike rule! Brother james i do not think we are deeming him innocent we are just tired of the relentless campaigning and demoninzing of the brother. Plus we just dont like pit bulls like that or dogs for that manner.

Sometimes I wonder if I am dealing with adults here. Of course most of the black men in jail are guilty. A substantial number of them have plead guilty to the crime they were charged with. Charges of racism are so common coming from black people, that it is disappointing when the charge is not made.

Since I work in law enforcement I feel that I should respond. Being guilty of a crime and serving time are two different things. One can be guilty and still be aquitted. Witness OJ and Michael Jackson. Both are black and rich. There was all kinds of evidence mounted against both of them, everything except a video tape, yet because of money and good attorney's they got off. This is what happens to many whites also, they pay an atorney to get them off. Poor black men use court appointed attorneys, who are not interested in them because they aren't making a big pay check from the case, so they tell them to plead guilty to a lesser charge and go to jail for a shorter period of time. It's simple economics and culture in most cases, not just race.

The jails are so overcrowder, that they are releasing convicts before they serve their time. So "no", it's not about putting as many black men in jail as possible. I read on Black America Web, that in Baltimore they are actually aqiuitting guilty young black men of murder, because they don't want to appear to be racist. Some of these men return to their communities and wreak more havoc.

We are a people who, for the mnost part, are totally dependent on white folks for our survival. That is why there are racial problems. They hear your racial slurs too, but they can retaliate. What can you do but complain? We have to start caring more about our yung black men who are lost and want to find a way to the right path. The rest can stay behind bars

The slavery issue is dead and should be buried. This is like a black eye, if someone hit me and gave me a black eye, I'd go home an nurse myself back to health. I wouldn't let it fester for one hundred and fifty years, while waiting for the assailant to come back and make restitution. Hell, he might just hit me in the other one, and put his foot up my butt too.


just the mere fact that 70% of our jails are african american males disputes your claim that slavery is dead...since you are in law enforcement maybe you can tell us what the inmates do while serving their time...

one love
khasm

I have the same problems in my community. I do not like my children being a chance victim of some random violence at the hands of some programmed brothers whom think that this is them and there accustomed life style(ie thugs gangbangging and keeping it real). However i also do not like allways being a member of the random round up of every blackman in the community being handcuffed . allways reminding me that i am constantly a step from incarseration if someone deems it neccessary in this country. To the point at hand (micheal vick). I personally am disgusted with the hyprocracy of white society. While they hunt and kill for re creation they want to condem this brother like he is a priest or something! Oh wait preist have a three strike rule! Brother james i do not think we are deeming him innocent we are just tired of the relentless campaigning and demoninzing of the brother. Plus we just dont like pit bulls like that or dogs for that manner.
while it is true that white people are evil, it is also true that blackman do commit crime.
we seem to get these two facts mixed up. we want to free blackman because white society is evil.
that is a mistake. blackman needs enforcement.
how is this to be done?

Khasm, I see your point. But you can answer your own question by visiting a prison near you. If it's a state prison, chances are the inmates are "idle" 24/7, unless they "choose" to do something productive such as attend classes, counseling, or participate is various workshops. They are not "required" to do anything but serve their time.

In some smaller jails, the inmates can be used up as "flukies", doing odd jobs for prison officials etc. This is exploitation. It applies to both whites and blacks, but blacks are afraid to say no, because they have no recourse.

In Federal Prison, there are more programs to engage in. The Prison Industrial Complex is one. Most of the participants, contrary to popular belief, are white inmates. This program is completely voluntary, and is very popular among inmates, because it gets them away from the monotony of prison life. Those who participate, get extra credit towards time spent, and therefore get out earlier, usually with a skill, something many didn't have when they entered prison. The prison gets part of their pay to offset the cost of running the jail. Again, this is voluntary, and "no" it is not slavery. None of these punks could take a single day of slavery.

Another thing about the Prison Industrial Complex, is that the inmates can actually own thier own vehicles, and drive themselves to and from work. Obviously these are not the worst inmates.That program may be abolished soon, as it has been criticized by the public as being exploitive. MSNBC runs several programs on prison life, you will rarely see anybody doing anything productive, some are on lock down 23 hours per day. It's easy to get to the truth about prisons, just go to visit one, or ask someone who has been locked up.

The problem of crime in the black community is the result of neglect on our part. It will not just go away. These criminals are being fabricated right there in the communities they came from. Not by the white man, but mostly by absent black men who are suppose to be fathers and teach the boys how to grow into manhood. How to build up a community and protect it from harm. Unfortunately the opposite is happening, because that is what the boys learn from the streets. The ball is and always has been in our court.

Philadelphia is trying to do something to solve this problem, first by acknowledging the causes. There is a program startng soon, that will attempt to recruit 10,000 men to help mentor young black males, and monitor the neighborhoods. This could make a big difference in any city with the level of crime we see on big city streets. This wasn't happening fourty years ago when black men ran the hoodlums off the corners. Calling it slavery and blaming white people is just a form of "DENIAL". This is strickly "OUR BUSINESS".

Khasm, I see your point. But you can answer your own question by visiting a prison near you. If it's a state prison, chances are the inmates are "idle" 24/7, unless they "choose" to do something productive such as attend classes, counseling, or participate is various workshops. They are not "required" to do anything but serve their time.

In some smaller jails, the inmates can be used up as "flukies", doing odd jobs for prison officials etc. This is exploitation. It applies to both whites and blacks, but blacks are afraid to say no, because they have no recourse.

In Federal Prison, there are more programs to engage in. The Prison Industrial Complex is one. Most of the participants, contrary to popular belief, are white inmates. This program is completely voluntary, and is very popular among inmates, because it gets them away from the monotony of prison life. Those who participate, get extra credit towards time spent, and therefore get out earlier, usually with a skill, something many didn't have when they entered prison. The prison gets part of their pay to offset the cost of running the jail. Again, this is voluntary, and "no" it is not slavery. None of these punks could take a single day of slavery.

Another thing about the Prison Industrial Complex, is that the inmates can actually own thier own vehicles, and drive themselves to and from work. Obviously these are not the worst inmates.That program may be abolished soon, as it has been criticized by the public as being exploitive. MSNBC runs several programs on prison life, you will rarely see anybody doing anything productive, some are on lock down 23 hours per day. It's easy to get to the truth about prisons, just go to visit one, or ask someone who has been locked up.

The problem of crime in the black community is the result of neglect on our part. It will not just go away. These criminals are being fabricated right there in the communities they came from. Not by the white man, but mostly by absent black men who are suppose to be fathers and teach the boys how to grow into manhood. How to build up a community and protect it from harm. Unfortunately the opposite is happening, because that is what the boys learn from the streets. The ball is and always has been in our court.

Philadelphia is trying to do something to solve this problem, first by acknowledging the causes. There is a program startng soon, that will attempt to recruit 10,000 men to help mentor young black males, and monitor the neighborhoods. This could make a big difference in any city with the level of crime we see on big city streets. This wasn't happening fourty years ago when black men ran the hoodlums off the corners. Calling it slavery and blaming white people is just a form of "DENIAL". This is strickly "OUR BUSINESS".



The only creature I'VE EVER heard spewing the kinds of regurgitated sewage that YOU throw up is a pink-toed white-knuckled representative of COINTELPRO sent to DIVIDE the most POWERFUL of BROTHERS once again.

mr. ron? I don't think so DEMON. I'LL call you JUST what you are. REFUSE. Because we've had words before on these message-boards is proof enough for ME that you are a caucausoid but even now at the cost of MY permanent banishment from this 'Loving Board,' I'LL GLADLY fall on the SWORD if this is what it'll take to WAKE SOME OF OUR PEOPLE UP ABOUT your filthy existance.

TO MY BROTHERS THAT MAY STILL HEAR THE VOICE OF LOVE FOR OUR PEOPLE.......be wary of such DIRT.

Ankh Udja Seneb


ROARIN..........

The only creature I'VE EVER heard spewing the kinds of regurgitated sewage that YOU throw up is a pink-toed white-knuckled representative of COINTELPRO sent to DIVIDE the most POWERFUL of BROTHERS once again.

mr. ron? I don't think so DEMON. I'LL call you JUST what you are. REFUSE. Because we've had words before on these message-boards is proof enough for ME that you are a caucausoid but even now at the cost of MY permanent banishment from this 'Loving Board,' I'LL GLADLY fall on the SWORD if this is what it'll take to WAKE SOME OF OUR PEOPLE UP ABOUT your filthy existance.

TO MY BROTHERS THAT MAY STILL HEAR THE VOICE OF LOVE FOR OUR PEOPLE.......be wary of such DIRT.

Ankh Udja Seneb


ROARIN..........
:ref:

actually homie, you are taking it further than it needs to go.
mrron has some correct things to say. he may not be all right but he is not all wrong.

rather than flame him can you tell us what YOUR plan for enforcement is?

The only creature I'VE EVER heard spewing the kinds of regurgitated sewage that YOU throw up is a pink-toed white-knuckled representative of COINTELPRO sent to DIVIDE the most POWERFUL of BROTHERS once again.

Yo!!... roarin1 Bless Up!!!
Interesting bit of info....So is that HOW it works:?:

Yet....have one question

Do you agree with Macka B when he says..."When meh say BLACKMAN I mean da WOMB~MAN dem too cause WITHOUT the BLACK WOMB~MAN there is nothing we can Do" (BLACKMAN, Global Messenger cd) :?: :qqb018:

You can hear the whole tune at the first link in my sig....

and...I have to say this..
My first thought when I heard this; actually homie, you are taking it further than it needs to go.
mrron has some correct things to say. he may not be all right but he is not all wrong.

rather than flame him can you tell us what YOUR plan for enforcement is? was....:?:this sounds kinda COINTELPRO~ISH :?:

AND MRRON!....

Well...all I can say now is..

My next R.N.A. meeting will BE held Wed. prolly early evening!...
cya all then....RATHER....You'll see M.E......AND...hear my E.S.P(experience, strengths and plan) RE~garding this topic ....should you chose to.

:hearts2:

The only creature I'VE EVER heard spewing the kinds of regurgitated sewage that YOU throw up is a pink-toed white-knuckled representative of COINTELPRO sent to DIVIDE the most POWERFUL of BROTHERS once again.

mr. ron? I don't think so DEMON. I'LL call you JUST what you are. REFUSE. Because we've had words before on these message-boards is proof enough for ME that you are a caucausoid but even now at the cost of MY permanent banishment from this 'Loving Board,' I'LL GLADLY fall on the SWORD if this is what it'll take to WAKE SOME OF OUR PEOPLE UP ABOUT your filthy existance.

TO MY BROTHERS THAT MAY STILL HEAR THE VOICE OF LOVE FOR OUR PEOPLE.......be wary of such DIRT.

Ankh Udja Seneb


ROARIN..........


Roarin1,

Debate is an essential and welcome part of this forum - a personal attack as opposed to constructive discussion, is not acceptable.

Rule # 1. RESPECT IS NUMBER ONE IN OUR HOUSE - Respect for yourself, each Member of this Family, their opinions, and the peace we've been blessed with. No personal attacks will be tolerated. If in our opinion, you are being disrespectful, it will be dealt with accordingly, up to and including being banned.

Zulile

My first thought when I heard this; was....:?:this sounds kinda COINTELPRO~ISH :?:

and how would you know? i was around when the real deal was going down, where were you?

you are the first and only ones to enter the thread with personal attacks.
in truth, you are the ones bringing divisiveness to the thread.
as you have nothing of a positive nature to offer i hope you go else where.

it is my opinion that we have become too forgiving and too accepting of the criminals among us.
there are reasons for this i understand, but it has become a problem. there is too much crime in the community!
it has to stop. we have to stop it. we need law enforcement in the community.
blackman must enforce.
I do agree but will say I am only concerned with crimes that affect people. we must not think in petty terms like pink ppl.

for instance the HBCU Norfolk State U allows you to park on their campus with no permit, not meters you can just pull up and park if you have business there with no pass and not worry about being towed. On the other side of town at the white catholic Old Dominion U they make you pay for parking, if you don't have a pass they tow you, this is difference the black college aint worried about petty parking passes. same goes for law.

Rape, murder (with out just cause), kidnapping, , DUI, fraud , and crimes againbst children ect are serious issues. BUt dog fighting, gambling, bootleging, even drug deraling (if indoors not out in the street) are non issues. brazil leagalized drugs.

so what I see is black ppl in law who A. don't know who they are as African people and have taken on a european state of mind. Or B. just want a bonus check for their quota, or are compensating for their own miss doing by playing god over others lives (clearance thomas, dr. rice, ect)

Whites commit more crimes then blacks yet the system who lock blacks up over petty bs, and let pinks skate on similar crimes. My brother spent 10 yrs in prison he said white boys were in 4 murder and violence the same rate as blacks, most were bikers and hillbillies, they fight and kill each other.

I had crack cocain planted on me by a pink pig in louisville ky in the late 90's, I spent three days in jail,and the hoochie never showed up to the araignment, the judge through the case out. i have never sold crack in my life, but because my friend kept arguing with the pig, he set us up. I could have spent 5yrs + in prison 4 no reason except I am a black man. Thankfully the universe was on my side!

So what I am saying is many pppl of all races are victims of currupt policing, so lets not act like it is all the "black men" these pigs are dirty. They profile and put blacks in jail for nothing. They also screw over mexican, white, and red ppl. see that video where that fat pig beat down that white female in Chicago???

Scnerio: A black man is caught selling weed over an ounce so he does some jail time.
he gets out then gets "violated" on his probation for smoking, and is sent back to jail, over and over again. these petty crimes are what I mean there are many violent offenders and many ppl like I just presented who just smoke weed, or have suspended license,yet the system keeps them in and out on incarciration with petty drug testing and bs like that.

or even like O.J.

Blacks do self police!

These crakkas robbed O.J. so he took it back! Black folks do police ourselves if all is true O.J. is justified in his action, but now the system has him trumped up on six counts of robbery??? get the F%%% out of here!!! how is it a crime when it is your property????

I do agree but will say I am only concerned with crimes that affect people. we must not think in petty terms like pink ppl.

for instance the HBCU Norfolk State U allows you to park on their campus with no permit, not meters you can just pull up and park if you have business there with no pass and not worry about being towed. On the other side of town at the white catholic Old Dominion U they make you pay for parking, if you don't have a pass they tow you, this is difference the black college aint worried about petty parking passes. same goes for law.

Rape, murder (with out just cause), kidnapping, , DUI, fraud , and crimes againbst children ect are serious issues. BUt dog fighting, gambling, bootleging, even drug deraling (if indoors not out in the street) are non issues. brazil leagalized drugs.

so what I see is black ppl in law who A. don't know who they are as African people and have taken on a european state of mind. Or B. just want a bonus check for their quota, or are compensating for their own miss doing by playing god over others lives (clearance thomas, dr. rice, ect)

Whites commit more crimes then blacks yet the system who lock blacks up over petty bs, and let pinks skate on similar crimes. My brother spent 10 yrs in prison he said white boys were in 4 murder and violence the same rate as blacks, most were bikers and hillbillies, they fight and kill each other.

I had crack cocain planted on me by a pink pig in louisville ky in the late 90's, I spent three days in jail,and the hoochie never showed up to the araignment, the judge through the case out. i have never sold crack in my life, but because my friend kept arguing with the pig, he set us up. I could have spent 5yrs + in prison 4 no reason except I am a black man. Thankfully the universe was on my side!

So what I am saying is many pppl of all races are victims of currupt policing, so lets not act like it is all the "black men" these pigs are dirty. They profile and put blacks in jail for nothing. They also screw over mexican, white, and red ppl. see that video where that fat pig beat down that white female in Chicago???

Scnerio: A black man is caught selling weed over an ounce so he does some jail time.
he gets out then gets "violated" on his probation for smoking, and is sent back to jail, over and over again. these petty crimes are what I mean there are many violent offenders and many ppl like I just presented who just smoke weed, or have suspended license,yet the system keeps them in and out on incarciration with petty drug testing and bs like that.
i feel your pain. the issue is how do we deal with policing in the face of what you have described? so may black people are turned off to law enforcement that we now seem to feel any one accused is innocent. that is dangerous. black people do commit crimes. real crimes. how are we going to deal with that?

there must be a system of enforcement in the black community. right now, we are suffering from a wave of black on black crime.
in philly, i no longer go out at night. it has become too dangerous. is that right? should the old folks have to be afraid to come out of their houses?

given all that you have been through do you have a plan for stopping the whole sale slaughter of young black males?

Roarin1, yes! we have had words before, and then as now, they weren't friendly. In this case I was simply answering a question posed by Khasm. What exactly do you take exception to? You can verify this information about prison life yourself, it's really simple. Do you have a real life story to tell the rest of us about prison life?

As a officer of the law with twenty years experience, you sound like you had some run ins with the law yourself. We don't need to profile you, because you have already given yourself away.

No! I am not a white man. I am a no non sense black man, who has a very low tolerance for BS. Real African people take responsibilty for themselves and their communities. Especially when you see the destruction that is going on in the black community by black people themselves. You must be completely ignornant of police procedures. These young black males who commit these crimes against their own kind, are reported to the police by others in the black community. If nothing is done than it is racism, if something is done, it's still racism. We already know that it's a no win situation in regards to being called racist, uncle tom etc. So we just enforce the law. Even with almost a million black men in jail, the black community is still unsafe. As Jamesfromphilly said, he doesn't go out at night, because it is too dangerous. There aren't any white people anywhere near the black community, except the businessmen. Why don't you go and tell your young brothers to stop this sh*t. If you can't do that, than close your mouth and let law enforcement handle it for you.

i feel your pain. the issue is how do we deal with policing in the face of what you have described? so may black people are turned off to law enforcement that we now seem to feel any one accused is innocent. that is dangerous. black people do commit crimes. real crimes. how are we going to deal with that?

there must be a system of enforcement in the black community. right now, we are suffering from a wave of black on black crime.
in philly, i no longer go out at night. it has become too dangerous. is that right? should the old folks have to be afraid to come out of their houses?

given all that you have been through do you have a plan for stopping the whole sale slaughter of young black males?

Well in myneighboorhood fools was getting shot and crack getting sold but they started a neighborhood watch (black operated). They would simply have the police patrol not snitch but just patrol.

I think as stated in the book " The Destruction Of Black Civiliztation" there should be a security force for blacks. That not only watches our community, but also watches those from outside including police.

But I don't know how realistic (at least in our life time) that is or how long it would take to set that up. You know I saw a video of an 80 yr old man being beaten by a young black dude in attempt to steal his car. I can agree the problem is at the root. I used to do stupid things as a teenager/early twentiesager (never that violent but i was a law breaking dude). what stopped me from ruining my self was knowledge and reading books taking classes ect. The problem is at the root , education, media imaging,but that song is so old. obviously 3 strikes or more cops stops nothing.

In Norfolk, VA several murders have occured this summer. The black ppl in the city of norfolk have decided it's time to change things, they are organizing neighborhood watch programs ect. They got fed up when two young dudes were murdered in the same night, it's the wild west down here. i'm sure Philly is worse since it's so much bigger.

BTW I was just in Philly two weeks ago, man your highways are terrible, i get lost everytime im there.

BTW I was just in Philly two weeks ago, man your highways are terrible, i get lost everytime im there.
it is a plot. if you live here, you know how to get around. they do not put signs up for the out of towners and they catch hell. they set up all this stuff to lure tourists into town but then they do not provide for them once they are here. every time i go out my place i see somebody lost.

Why don't you go and tell your young brothers to stop this sh*t. If you can't do that, than close your mouth and let law enforcement handle it for you.
anybody got any other options?

while it is true that white people are evil, it is also true that blackman do commit crime.
we seem to get these two facts mixed up. we want to free blackman because white society is evil.

Therein lies the confusion. "Don't snitch on the Black on Black murderer, rapist, child molester, burglar, car thief or home invader. We must never cooperate with "the system," even if it means allowing these parasites to continue to rape and kill our friends, families and neighbors, molest and sell drugs to our children, break into our homes and steal our stuff while we're away at work, because the white man is the devil and it's his system," and on and on.

Never mind that the negro criminal feels NO loyalty to the Black race (else they wouldn't be hurting so many of their own) and doesn't deserve our protection.

In Chicago, this past spring a negro criminal raped a 14 year old girl and killed both of her brothers (age 11 and 12) who were trying to defend her. He was their mother's boyfriend.

So, given all that we know about the racist criminal just-us system with its inequalities, double standards, etc., the situation is this: Today, September 18, 2007, REALISTICALLY speaking, there are ONLY two places that the morally depraved negro criminal is going to be: A) behind bars or, B) on the streets.

Question: which of these two places do they belong? Answer "A" or "B" without ranting about da white man (we already know about him), or "the system" (we already know about the system), without hurling insults or accusations, without dancing around the issue, and without invoking ridiculous vigilante fantasies ("they should be hunted down and killed.") There are only 2 answers: "A" or "B."

Which one should it be?

Roarin1,

Debate is an essential and welcome part of this forum - a personal attack as opposed to constructive discussion, is not acceptable.

Rule # 1. RESPECT IS NUMBER ONE IN OUR HOUSE - Respect for yourself, each Member of this Family, their opinions, and the peace we've been blessed with. No personal attacks will be tolerated. If in our opinion, you are being disrespectful, it will be dealt with accordingly, up to and including being banned.

Zulile


Had MY say.

And MY intent was never up for debate. I also will not change a PEEP for either the foollish OR enemies. Now do what YOU got to do.

close your mouth and let law enforcement handle it for you.

Perhaps if you guys did some internal house cleaning and put the policemen whom you all KNOW are rapists, murderers, child molesters, drug dealers, burglars and gang bangers, etc., behind bars first (as a show of good faith), then that would be a good way to prove to the community that you guys are really interested in fair and equal across the board law enforcement and you would get a lot more help in solving crimes.

We've been told that the overwhelming majority of cops are "good cops." If that's true, then it should be an easy matter to purge the force of "bad cops," shouldn't it? What then seems to be the problem?

And while you're at it, go after your fellow officers who are on the payrolls of drug king pins so that citizens can call 911 without fearing that Officer Timson will tell Pookie who called the police on him.

Oh, and by the way, those pigs who arrest and charge people with crimes whom they KNOW to be innocent at the time of the arrest...how do you as a "good cop" plan to deal with them?

An' anotha thang: concerning white pigs who brutalize, intimidate and file false charges against innocent Black people with the full knowledge and consent of their fellow scared negro cops, what are you going to do to put a stop to this?

Have you turned in a corrupt white racist pig today?

the negro criminal feels NO loyalty to the Black race (else they wouldn't be hurting so many of their own) and doesn't deserve our protection.


:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

I HAVE ALWAYS SAID, THERE IS A THIN LINE BETWEEN THUG AND HOUSE NEGROE!!!

we do need enforcement in the community. we also need clean police.

:sick: In a corrupted body and weakened immune system, the very faculties that are there to protect and serve become virulent and destructive. Is it *Personal*? In the ravenous throws of Cancer or the bowels of "the Hood" or even the atrocities exemplified in Sierra Leone/Freetown (concerning diamonds ect) one is left with coping by any means necessary. (Anarchy reigns)

and how would you know? i was around when the real deal was going down, where were you?

you are the first and only ones to enter the thread with personal attacks.
in truth, you are the ones bringing divisiveness to the thread.
as you have nothing of a positive nature to offer i hope you go else where.
HaHaHaHahahahahaaha...this is very funny to M.E.....

:hearts2:

Well in myneighboorhood fools was getting shot and crack getting sold but they started a neighborhood watch (black operated). They would simply have the police patrol not snitch but just patrol.

I think as stated in the book " The Destruction Of Black Civiliztation" there should be a security force for blacks. That not only watches our community, but also watches those from outside including police.

But I don't know how realistic (at least in our life time) that is or how long it would take to set that up. You know I saw a video of an 80 yr old man being beaten by a young black dude in attempt to steal his car. I can agree the problem is at the root. I used to do stupid things as a teenager/early twentiesager (never that violent but i was a law breaking dude). what stopped me from ruining my self was knowledge and reading books taking classes ect. The problem is at the root , education, media imaging,but that song is so old. obviously 3 strikes or more cops stops nothing.

In Norfolk, VA several murders have occured this summer. The black ppl in the city of norfolk have decided it's time to change things, they are organizing neighborhood watch programs ect. They got fed up when two young dudes were murdered in the same night, it's the wild west down here. i'm sure Philly is worse since it's so much bigger.

BTW I was just in Philly two weeks ago, man your highways are terrible, i get lost everytime im there.

If I may add to this [dont want to call it communty policing...but] get homeowners and black businesses together and HIRE Private Security.

If you start homeowners association or federation and hire your own security it usually takes jurisdiction over the police.

Something folks wont tell you in authority but one thing I learned being a community federation and board member in a community in Los Angeles.

Peace!

we do need enforcement in the community. we also need clean police.

Again, HIRE your own.

Again, HIRE your own.
that sounds like a good plan

If I may add to this [dont want to call it communty policing...but] get homeowners and black businesses together and HIRE Private Security.

If you start homeowners association or federation and hire your own security it usually takes jurisdiction over the police.

Something folks wont tell you in authority but one thing I learned being a community federation and board member in a community in Los Angeles.

Peace!

Interesting information.

Again, HIRE your own.

Private Security companies boomed in South Africa and are very much a force to be reckoned within the communities they represent/protect. man - I'd rather be stopped by a cop than these vigilanties!

circumstances are different, of course - but its remains true - what they do, they do well. Costs $.

Out of curioisity - are "rich" Black area's a developing norm in the USA? Or do the "rich" Black move to white suburbia?

Sami RaMaati, I hear your anger and feel your pain too. As I stated before I work in Federal Law Enforcement, so I am not a street cop. The corruption discribed is not limited at all to the black community. So don't get it twisted. A corrupt policeman, doesn't have to be racist too. The Italian and Asain communities both lodge many complaints about police brutality and corruption. As I am sure you already know, there is corruption in all levels of government and business. If it makes you feel any better, there are former police officers in jail for committing crimes. I can say that criminal and corrupt behavior is neither encouraged and tolerated, where I work. As to racism, its a fact of life that is not going to go away anytime soon, the best way to fight it is by not becoming a racist yourself.

When I look at the black community and the problems that crime causes, I wonder why do we expend so much energy protecting and defending these miscreants that are responsible for the demise. If we need to lock up a million more to protect the commuinity, than so be it. The white community doesn't have the same level of criminality, because they don't tolerate it. You won't see a white kid standing on the corner in broad daylight or cover of darkness engaged in drug dealing. I live in a predominantly white community, let me say this. If a kid would attempt to do that, the MEN in the community wouod take care of it immediately, without the help of the police in some instances, need I say more?

When I look at the black community and the problems that crime causes, I wonder why do we expend so much energy protecting and defending these miscreants that are responsible for the demise. If we need to lock up a million more to protect the commuinity, than so be it. The white community doesn't have the same level of criminality, because they don't tolerate it. You won't see a white kid standing on the corner in broad daylight or cover of darkness engaged in drug dealing. I live in a predominantly white community, let me say this. If a kid would attempt to do that, the MEN in the community wouod take care of it immediately, without the help of the police in some instances, need I say more?

I can hardly wrap my mind around what you've written. It goes against the very grain of my being. Dont even know where to start...
:thinking:

When I look at the black community and the problems that crime causes, I wonder why do we expend so much energy protecting and defending these miscreants that are responsible for the demise. If we need to lock up a million more to protect the commuinity, than so be it. The white community doesn't have the same level of criminality, because they don't tolerate it. You won't see a white kid standing on the corner in broad daylight or cover of darkness engaged in drug dealing. I live in a predominantly white community, let me say this. If a kid would attempt to do that, the MEN in the community wouod take care of it immediately, without the help of the police in some instances, need I say more?

cause and effect...it is detrimental to strictly look at the effect without incorporating the cause in the equation...

white folk don't have drug dealers standing on the corner because they are selling it to us through several middle men...wow...i guess that looks better to you fedz...no disrespect intended...

one love
khasm

yes - gotta fix the cause, not just treat the symptoms.

cause and effect...it is detrimental to strictly look at the effect without incorporating the cause in the equation... white folk don't have drug dealers standing on the corner because they are selling it to us through several middle men......

one love
khasm
in philly some very prominent and well to do white folks have been caught deep into the drug culture. these are people with riches and every opportunity.
they chose drugs. they were never on a street corner. they don't have street corners out where they live.

i do not agree with everything mrron says but i think he has an important view to bring to the table. we need to listen and evaluate.

i do not agree with everything mrron says but i think he has an important view to bring to the table. we need to listen and evaluate.
i agree...i don't know too many fedz...actually i don't know any...so i am interested in what he has to say...

on the other hand...i do not like people let alone black people comparing apples to oranges in terms of white people and black people...

the damage that sir whitey has done to us will not be corrected overnight...we will be lucky if we are on the same playing ground by the year 2165 in my opinion...

i am by no means making excuses for criminals...i'm just telling it how it is...

one love
khasm

cause and effect...it is detrimental to strictly look at the effect without incorporating the cause in the equation...

white folk don't have drug dealers standing on the corner because they are selling it to us through several middle men...wow...i guess that looks better to you fedz...no disrespect intended...

one love
khasm

white folk do more drugs than blacks they have more money and more types of drugs. they don't have them on the corners because when they need a 'fix'

they just make a call

You won't see a white kid standing on the corner in broad daylight or cover of darkness engaged in drug dealing.

Just because you don't see them on the corners, doesn't mean distribution
of drugs are any less.

They sell from their homes. Their #1 choice of drugs is prescription pills, but not limited to them. They also sell weed, cocaine, mushrooms, estacy, and so on. They exchange these items in school, parks, parties, friends houses. When they want to buy drugs they simple call each other up and meet where ever the seller is. The seller even sometimes drives to their houses to make transactions. They network between friends. They will even drive down to the hoods to get their product if their suburban friends are all out. I agree, they don't stand on cornors, but the dealings are still on, right up under the noses of their parents and community. Their parents don't see it because the buyers are their long childhood friends, and believe that kind of stuff just don't happen in their neighborhoods.

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Just to clarify, I am not saying that whites don't use or sell drugs. They use far more illegal drugs than black folks do, that's a fact. It's all about the money and black folks don't have a lot of it. I once arrested a very famous and world known doctor for purchasing crack cocaine in the hood. He is German and I put him back on a plane to Germany. At the airport in Philly where I work, all the large drug dealing cases we've had involved white suspects, yes!, I said all of them. The blacks we arrested were just "flunkies" used to distract attention from the "big boys". But there are some black folks that are now drug "kingpens" too.

When we talk about drug dealing and arrest, that has been the downfall for the young black male. If he is standing on the corner in broad daylight, he is already known to the police as a drug dealer. He is also known as a menace and a threat to the community, because of the kinds of problems he brings to the community. He doesn't own his place of business, so he uses property that doesn't belong to him. If he is sucessful, other dealers want his business, so they fight over it, many times with guns involved. This is rather unique to the black community. The white's that sells drugs are more discreet, and garner fewer complaints from the community. In order for an arrest to take place, someone must file a complaint. If drugs are being sold out of a private home, it's very difficult to get proof of it, especially video, or a sale to an undercover policeman. A warrant is needed to conduct a raid on a private residence also. One can be arrested for loitering, if they are standing on a corner selling drugs. Cops see the kid's on the corner as easy picking's, they need stats to justify their job.

Let me apoligize to anyone if I offended them in one of my previous responses. I really do care about our people, and I don't want to see a lot of black men locked up, especially for drug dealing. It's the violent one's that I have the problem with.

We need to take control of this problem, the vast majority of black men in jail, were arrested and convicted ot some kind of drug charge. Let's stop blaming white people for this. That is not to say they haven't contributed to the problem, it's simply acknowledging that they have turned their backs and are not going to do anything about this. Many are in denial, others just don't understand why you are blaming them. At any rate its our fight, and we need to better, in fact, we can do better.

Just to clarify, I am not saying that whites don't use or sell drugs. They use far more illegal drugs than black folks do, that's a fact. It's all about the money and black folks don't have a lot of it. I once arrested a very famous and world known doctor for purchasing crack cocaine in the hood. He is German and I put him back on a plane to Germany. At the airport in Philly where I work, all the large drug dealing cases we've had involved white suspects, yes!, I said all of them. The blacks we arrested were just "flunkies" used to distract attention from the "big boys". But there are some black folks that are now drug "kingpins" too.

When we talk about drug dealing and arrest, that has been the downfall for the young black male. If he is standing on the corner in broad daylight, he is already known to the police as a drug dealer. He is also known as a menace and a threat to the community, because of the kinds of problems he brings to the community. He doesn't own his place of business, so he uses property that doesn't belong to him. If he is successful, other dealers want his business, so they fight over it, many times with guns involved. This is rather unique to the black community. The White's that sells drugs are more discreet, and garner fewer complaints from the community. In order for an arrest to take place, someone must file a complaint. If drugs are being sold out of a private home, it's very difficult to get proof of it, especially video, or a sale to an undercover policeman. A warrant is needed to conduct a raid on a private residence also. One can be arrested for loitering, if they are standing on a corner selling drugs. Cops see the kid's on the corner as easy pickings, they need stats to justify their job.

Let me apologize to anyone if I offended them in one of my previous responses. I really do care about our people, and I don't want to see a lot of black men locked up, especially for drug dealing. It's the violent one's that I have the problem with.

We need to take control of this problem, the vast majority of black men in jail, were arrested and convicted ot some kind of drug charge. Let's stop blaming white people for this. That is not to say they haven't contributed to the problem, it's simply acknowledging that they have turned their backs and are not going to do anything about this. Many are in denial, others just don't understand why you are blaming them. At any rate its our fight, and we need to better, in fact, we can do better.





Are WE getting the picture yet?

Keep readin'---it'll get clearer and clearer---------


'If drugs are being sold out of a private home, it is very difficult to get proof of it, especially video, or a sale to an undercover policeman.' ...above

You need to tell THAT to that DEAD ninety-two year old Black Woman in Atlanta Ga. for ONE.

The jin got no conscience Brothers! And just like a FLAG, the enemies colors ALWAY'S shine through.

And you can't 'proflie' ME either cause I'VE ALREADY peeped YOU.



ROARIN...........

Can't argue that Mrron!

But doesn't this now all boils down to social profiling. Which also boils down to racial profiling. They know the majority of people who lives in the ghettos or non-white and poor.

Of course the police knows this type of activities go on more in wealthier neighborshoods, but due to finacial stability avoid these areas. Is it because the wealthier are the higher contriubutors to political ventures?

Couldn't they servilence homes in the same manor they survelience homes in poor neighborhoods? I guess when non-black people see whites are being locked up at the same rate as young black boys/men, they will cease to use the race card. But that not whats happening.

Like you said, it still does'nt take away from the fact that our communites needs organization. If we want our streets to be safe, we have to put in the work to maintain that. We can not depend on officers to secure our streets. Thats not what they are there for. They are there to make arrest and show their gratitude to the tax payers in wealthier hoods by decreasing the possibility of Blacks moving into their neighborhood.

You know what they say when a Black person moves into a dominate white neighborhood. "Ut Oh, There Goes The Neighborhood!"

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and how would you know? i was around when the real deal was going down, where were you?

you are the first and only ones to enter the thread with personal attacks.
in truth, you are the ones bringing divisiveness to the thread.
as you have nothing of a positive nature to offer i hope you go else where.

you know jfp...
where was I??
watching my ELDERS....run around...finger popping, bar hopping, beating down each other AND....DO~ing what ya'll said Do..


GO TO SCHOOL!!!

and...WHERE HAVE I MADE ANY PERSONAL ATTACK IN THIS THREAD??

I AM now CONVINCED...and SEE very clearly...just HOW the Cointelpro tactics Work.
THANKS FOR SHARING AND FURTHER SCHOOLING M.E.!

Sami RaMaati, I hear your anger and feel your pain too. As I stated before I work in Federal Law Enforcement, so I am not a street cop.
Based on what I KNOW, federal agents are no better. They harassed and intimidated a friend of my and her sisters over a period of months (calling them "n**ger bi***s" among other things) and they weren't even suspected of wrongdoing. They filed false drug trafficking charges against her cousin ONLY because he was at the scene on one occasion telling them their rights under the constitution. I won't mention the illegal wire taps against civil rights organizations and anti-war protesters that is going on TODAY. The list goes on.

In Chicago, we have so many crooked politicians of all races, but the feds only go after the Blacks and Hispanics, while the white politicians are so in your face with their corruption it isn't funny.
The corruption discribed is not limited at all to the black community. So don't get it twisted.
I never said it was limited to the Black community, so YOU don't get it twisted.
A corrupt policeman, doesn't have to be racist too. The Italian and Asain communities both lodge many complaints about police brutality and corruption.
I know about police brutality against white people and others (a white post-grad classmate of mine was a victim). If they're doing that foul stuff to their own people, what do you think they're doing to us?
As I am sure you already know, there is corruption in all levels of government and business.
Which brings me back to my original point: federal agents are no better than local police, despite your polyannish assertions to the contrary.
If it makes you feel any better, there are former police officers in jail for committing crimes.
No it doesn't make me feel any better, because for every one corrupt cop behind bars, there's at least a thousand others who should be there too.
When I look at the black community and the problems that crime causes, I wonder why do we expend so much energy protecting and defending these miscreants that are responsible for the demise.
When I look at the sordid track record of the po-po in amerikkka, I wonder why they spend so much energy protecting and defending miscreants with guns and badges and a license to kill.
The white community doesn't have the same level of criminality, because they don't tolerate it.
Yes they do tolerate it -- as long as the criminals are white and they keep their thuggish behavior out of sight.
You won't see a white kid standing on the corner in broad daylight or cover of darkness engaged in drug dealing.
That's because they do it in the privacy of their homes and schools. You think white kids don't deal drugs?
You been livin' under a rock, bro'?
I live in a predominantly white community
It figures.
If a kid would attempt to do that, the MEN in the community wouod take care of it immediately, without the help of the police in some instances.
Well mrron, in a Black neighborhood in Chicago some years ago a group of Black men got tired of the drug dealing and prostitution and decided to deal with it on their own because the pigs were of no use. So they snatched a couple of pimps and drug dealers off the streets and warned them to either stop what they were doing OR ELSE. How did the po-po respond? By staging a brutal crackdown -- not on the negroes whom they KNEW to be pimps and pushers -- but on the brothers who took it on themselves to protect the community against negro scum.

Now isn't that just ducky?

This thread has become so quite, I could almost swear that I hear an echo....

This thread has become so quite, I could almost swear that I hear an echo....
the echo is from the recording devices.........

jamesfrmphilly - you really do crack me up.. I love your humour - always has a nice "bite" to it.. :D :D

now back to the topic at hand...

*static*

the echo is from the recording devices.........


I don't doubt it. And I definitely don't doubt that they exist here.

But again....I ain't the one that's absent.


ROARIN..........

Based on what I KNOW, federal agents are no better. They harassed and intimidated a friend of my and her sisters over a period of months (calling them "n**ger bi***s" among other things) and they weren't even suspected of wrongdoing. They filed false drug trafficking charges against her cousin ONLY because he was at the scene on one occasion telling them their rights under the constitution. I won't mention the illegal wire taps against civil rights organizations and anti-war protesters that is going on TODAY. The list goes on.

In Chicago, we have so many crooked politicians of all races, but the feds only go after the Blacks and Hispanics, while the white politicians are so in your face with their corruption it isn't funny.

I never said it was limited to the Black community, so YOU don't get it twisted.

I know about police brutality against white people and others (a white post-grad classmate of mine was a victim). If they're doing that foul stuff to their own people, what do you think they're doing to us?

Which brings me back to my original point: federal agents are no better than local police, despite your polyannish assertions to the contrary.

No it doesn't make me feel any better, because for every one corrupt cop behind bars, there's at least a thousand others who should be there too.

When I look at the sordid track record of the po-po in amerikkka, I wonder why they spend so much energy protecting and defending miscreants with guns and badges and a license to kill.

Yes they do tolerate it -- as long as the criminals are white and they keep their thuggish behavior out of sight.

That's because they do it in the privacy of their homes and schools. You think white kids don't deal drugs?
You been livin' under a rock, bro'?

It figures.

Well mrron, in a Black neighborhood in Chicago some years ago a group of Black men got tired of the drug dealing and prostitution and decided to deal with it on their own because the pigs were of no use. So they snatched a couple of pimps and drug dealers off the streets and warned them to either stop what they were doing OR ELSE. How did the po-po respond? By staging a brutal crackdown -- not on the negroes whom they KNEW to be pimps and pushers -- but on the brothers who took it on themselves to protect the community against negro scum.

Now isn't that just ducky?


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Thank You for Sharing..(Brief response)

No need to ask "how" now..(Brief comment)

Question is "what's da next step?"....(ask a question)



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This subject has changed from rather black men are ever guilty of crime, to law enforcement being primarily responsible for it. I've read a lot of comments on this cite over the last year concerning crime in the black community. The consensus seems to be that it's all caused by white people trying to "enslave or imprison" young black men. We are all just puppets on the white man's string, according to so many here. We are not the responsible party.

I am not about to defend any kind of corruption on any level in any area of government or business. I believe everyone that has a story to tell about police corruption and racism. I know that it happens. I was a victim of it myself growing up, and a few of my hispanic and black fellow officers have had to deal with a few instances themselves, while off duty and out of uniform. Of course once they flashed their credentials the whole scene changes. Racism is still prevalent in this country, and I never said it wasn't.

My grievance with the black community is over the raising of our kids and who we do business with. It's simply a lie that the white man is causing our young black men to drop out of school and become criminals. The girls attend the same schools and excel. We need to look at these absent fathers and place the blame on them. Of course, many of them should never have been fathers in the first place. Where do police officers fit into this picture? The prison population consist overwhelmingly, of young black men who cannot read or write, and have no father in the home or involved in their upbringing They are also mostly repeat offenders, first time offenders usually get fined and/or probation.

We spend nearly a trillion dollars a year on businesses owned by others and by people who don't even buy from us. So why are we always pointing the finger at someone else?

We can't solve this problem until we accept responsibility for the community period.

Those Who Work In Law Enforcement Are Not Allow To Think Out Side Of The Box . They Have A Code They Go By . ( Ether Your With Us Or Against Us )
Hummmmmmmm Where Did I Hear That From Hummmmmmmmm

This subject has changed from rather black men are ever guilty of crime, to law enforcement being primarily responsible for it......... We can't solve this problem until we accept responsibility for the community period.
that is why i posed the ? is blackman ever guilty of a crime? i know police are corrupt. i know white people are racist.
we all know these things. given that, is blackman ever guilty? will we ever enforce our own community?

my personal story: i came up hard. i didn't have the advantages. my father wasn't there. i had every excuse.
at a certain point i said to myself "i take responsibility for my own life, it's on me now".

is blackman going to take responsibility?

Zacharias, where did you hear that? What box are referring to? Apparently you know very little about Law Enforcement officers. We are not required to be a member of any team or adhere to any rules other than those that are necessary for us to perform our jobs. We vote for any political candidate we chose, we can also challenge administrative policies. We have total freedom, but we must enforce the laws that the "public" pays us to enforce. I don't agree with every law on the books, but I don't deal with the black public per se, so I rarely even get involved with black criminals. Usually, when I encounter a black suspect, it's because there is an outstanding warrant for his or her arrest. That decision has already been made by a judge, nothing else I can do, but detain him.

There are also instances wherein a young black person is caught smuggling drugs into the country on a commercial airliner. This can be a male or female. In many such situations, these are college kids, not hardened criminals. I can usually release them to their parents with just a warning and/or maybe a fine. Most of the officers I work closely with are over the age of fourty, they have more understanding and compassion than the younger one's, who just want another case. Is race a factor, let's put it this way, I am always called in when the subjects are young black people, and I can do as I wish with them. I don't get called when they are white, unless I am directly involved in the apprehension. Do white kids get the slap on the wrist that I give the black kids? Hell No!

James, we both came up hard, and I made the same decision you did, that is, to take responsibility for myself. There are still many young black men out there who are taking responsibility, otherwise we'd have a problem ten times worst than what it is.

mrron - you live in white suburbia - you "police" white areas: did you consider you're just excluded from this 'unspoken' code of conduct that law enforcement abides by? Certainly you are not denying it's existance?

Interesting that they calll you when Black perps come in.. it only reinforces my view of some serious racial issues Blacks have with law enforcement - and they role they play in the "criminal" devlopment of Black communities.

Zulile, you got it backwards. I didn't say I lived in white suburbia, I said my area is predominantly white, like the USA is. My neighborhood is about fourty percent black, all professionals, that's what I worked hard for, a nice home in the burbs. Since I live in Delaware, that is the best any black man can hope for. But again, as I stated earlier, I am not a racist, so I get along fine with white people, they don't bother me at all. Don't make an issue of that, I marched in the sixties with Dr. King for equal rights, so now I am exercising my right to live wherever I chose.

I don't police anything in this area, as I said I am a federal law enforcement officer working out of the Phila. Int'l Airport, I am not a patrol officer, that's not what federal officers do. As to the issue of my being called in for these young black people involved in drug smuggling, isn't that what black nationalist want? They don't want the white man condemning their kids, isn't that what you want? Or would you rather have white man interrogating them, so you can accuse them of racism? Well since you have racism on the brain, I guess it doesn't work either way, go ahead and call me a racist to, if it makes you feel better.

mrron - I'm not calling anyone racist here. nor do I have racism "on the brain". I do think, however, that your veiw that all is hunky dory in la-la land, and that the world is the Black man's oyster to do with as he pleases, is wrong. Just because the average white man isnt personally harming you, doesnt mean the systems in place no longer support his over our own. To assume this law enforcement system applies equally to all - is incorrect. impossible! To say that it's up to Blacks to get with the programme and stop blaming whites - I can agree to some extent - but it doesnt make them blameless.

I would want Blacks to be policed by Blacks - sure - but not while wearing the uniform and believing in the system of the initial oppressor.

oh my. I just read your response to another thread where you claimed white supremacy was a myth - a rumour. hmmm.. I'm done here :D

Zacharias, where did you hear that? What box are referring to? Apparently you know very little about Law Enforcement officers. We are not required to be a member of any team or adhere to any rules other than those that are necessary for us to perform our jobs. We vote for any political candidate we chose, we can also challenge administrative policies. We have total freedom, but we must enforce the laws that the "public" pays us to enforce. I don't agree with every law on the books, but I don't deal with the black public per se, so I rarely even get involved with black criminals. Usually, when I encounter a black suspect, it's because there is an outstanding warrant for his or her arrest. That decision has already been made by a judge, nothing else I can do, but detain him.

There are also instances wherein a young black person is caught smuggling drugs into the country on a commercial airliner. This can be a male or female. In many such situations, these are college kids, not hardened criminals. I can usually release them to their parents with just a warning and/or maybe a fine. Most of the officers I work closely with are over the age of fourty, they have more understanding and compassion than the younger one's, who just want another case. Is race a factor, let's put it this way, I am always called in when the subjects are young black people, and I can do as I wish with them. I don't get called when they are white, unless I am directly involved in the apprehension. Do white kids get the slap on the wrist that I give the black kids? Hell No!

James, we both came up hard, and I made the same decision you did, that is, to take responsibility for myself. There are still many young black men out there who are taking responsibility, otherwise we'd have a problem ten times worst than what it is.




You Know What code I'm Talking About . It call having each other back . You Can Talk All That TricKnowledge You Want . Your Not Fooling No One Here .

mrron - you live in white suburbia - you "police" white areas: did you consider you're just excluded from this 'unspoken' code of conduct that law enforcement abides by? Certainly you are not denying it's existance?

Interesting that they calll you when Black perps come in.. it only reinforces my view of some serious racial issues Blacks have with law enforcement - and they role they play in the "criminal" devlopment of Black communities.



You make a good point ... Let him brake the code he trying to up hold , And See IF Color Doesn't matter .

you can break it, fry it, and eat it. With no stomach, it has no value.