I have noticed that since i have become a member that u seem to have a number of members banned. I carefully reviewed some of the statments u highlighted for mr samuri 36 and i have to agree that he is rather opinionated about a lot of things and he is rather honnest about them. this makes him no different than alot of us. However how is your brand of sensorship different from the goverment. He just has a matter of fact approach that conicdes with his refusal to accept things in which he understands to be untrue. This makes him no different from the mass of our historical leaders whom have been slienced by the goverment for our radical views and matter of fact approach for delivery. don't misinterpret me equating him with an historical leader i just see your bran of banning individuals as similar in some repects. I have personally interacted with mr samuri when we did not agree however i do repect him. Mr samuri is not the only black individual whom has critized many of our prominent ancestors. If they were wrong they were wrong. A lot of our prominent teachers have reviewed the body of work by our ancestors and disagree with some of thier tactics. I was very touched by mr samuri story about his fateher is not no different from some one going on oprah and releasing some vexing memories from the past. I know i am new but this is looking troubling. I hope my honnesty does not change my relationship with u or this community and those who love u. Question maybe we should have a community vote before some one is banned and if the majority agrees one way or another than so be it. When u do it alone it appears to be personal.

I have noticed that since i have become a member that u seem to have a number of members banned. I carefully reviewed some of the statments u highlighted for mr samuri 36 and i have to agree that he is rather opinionated about a lot of things and he is rather honnest about them. this makes him no different than alot of us. However how is your brand of sensorship different from the goverment. He just has a matter of fact approach that conicdes with his refusal to accept things in which he understands to be untrue. This makes him no different from the mass of our historical leaders whom have been slienced by the goverment for our radical views and matter of fact approach for delivery. don't misinterpret me equating him with an historical leader i just see your bran of banning individuals as similar in some repects. I have personally interacted with mr samuri when we did not agree however i do repect him. Mr samuri is not the only black individual whom has critized many of our prominent ancestors. If they were wrong they were wrong. A lot of our prominent teachers have reviewed the body of work by our ancestors and disagree with some of thier tactics. I was very touched by mr samuri story about his fateher is not no different from some one going on oprah and releasing some vexing memories from the past. I know i am new but this is looking troubling. I hope my honnesty does not change my relationship with u or this community and those who love u. Question maybe we should have a community vote before some one is banned and if the majority agrees one way or another than so be it. When u do it alone it appears to be personal.

Brother Emanuel ... you are always welcome to ask anything you'd like, and by no means will it change our relationship.

Everyone is not going to agree with every decision i make here. No matter what i do, or how i may respond, there will always be someone that thinks i should have done it different or better.

This community is not for everything and everybody. Some people will find that the way i do, and have done for all the years we've been here, is not to their liking and they'll leave on their own, or carry on in such a way as to be banned. Either which way is okay with me, though i had to grow to this place. When i first started this community, i believed with my whole heart that we, all Black people, could live here together peacefully and respectfully. It wasn't long after, that i was proven wrong. It broke my heart, having to ban that first Member. Likewise, losing Brother SAMURAI is not a win for me.

This community has a very specific purpose, that we love, encourage, embrace, teach and build with each other. It is a place of refuge from the onslaught of all the other attacks our mental and physical experience in the course of the day. It's our safe haven. We don't even have advertisements blinking around here, because i don't want our people having to bogg their already conditioned consciousness with anything extra or unnecessary. This is not a battleground, and i will never allow it to resemble anything that looks like that.

Brother SAMURAI has consistently required me to moderate him, almost from the moment he joined us. He has continually disrespected Members, talked to them in the most demeaning and contentious manner i've ever seen displayed here ... for someone that was allowed to stay after saying such things. While i too admire some aspects of Brother SAMURAI, i will not let him ignore my requests (forever) to interact here within the confines of our rules and purpose.

Brother Emanuel ... this community is not about any one of us, myself included. It's about all of us, collectively. No one person is going to be allowed to take the Spirit of this place to a negative, contentious, hostile low. I just won't let it happen. I can't let it happen. I believe that this is what we need as a people, to learn how to interact with each other in the very best of manners. I believe this is one of the very reasons why this community is so popular, because of the love and peace found here. This one thing alone, in my opinion, could be the beginning of the end of white supremacy. It is a very do-able task, that will not cost us any money, and could change the world overnight. I want us, this community to be an example of the fact that it can happen, even if only on this small scale. I want that, we have that, and i'm going to do all i can to maintain that.

I saw many positive things regarding Brother SAMURAI, and this played a part in my laboring with him as long as i did. Not only that, but so many liked him, enjoyed him, and wanted him to stay. I must call Sister River's name here, for if it were not for her alone, he would have been gone so long ago! I remember thinking on this fact often, how Sister River's sweet, loving disposition, saved him. It made me think of the scripture where it talks about the husband is saved by the righteousness of the wife (or something like that). Anyway, all of this, was part of the reason why he hasn't been banned sooner. But none of these things are enough by themselves to keep him here. Ultimately, it was going to be necessary for Brother SAMURAI to adjust himself and deliver what is required of every other Member.

I really wish he would have taken serious heed to my warnings all along. His being banned at this point, is based solely on his own actions, and nothing more. Yes, we've had lots more Members get banned lately, but i think that's directly related to our growth. Our Membership numbers are large, and those banned are going to be a reflection of that.

You mentioned other Members, other like incidents, and yes, i'm sure you can find some examples of like behavior ... but you will not find anyone being asked, as many times as he has, to abide by our rules. While i spend a lot of my time and energy maintaining this community, i do not appreciate having to babysit grown people. We have rules and purpose. Members are warned, and given a chance to adjust themselves (a few times), in most cases. Some are given no warning and are immediately banned. That's the norm, and Brother SAMURAI received much more than most.

In regard to a community vote, years ago in the early days of the community, we use to do just that! Whenever there was a major issue, or one that i wasn't really sure how or if to proceed with, i'd have a "Family Meeting" and everyone that wanted to vote could, and i'd at least have the Family's collective thoughts on the matter. We grew too big for that long ago. It got to the point that no decisions could be made in an effective and efficient manner, because we had to wait for everyone to vote. So no, i don't think we'll be going back to that.

You likened me to the government regarding censoring folk. I started a thread on this very topic, Where Can We Speak Freely? (http://destee.com/forums/showthread.php?t=36921), after Kanye West was kicked off the Katrina Relief Program. After starting that thread, and getting a few answers from the Family, i came to realize, that this community is not much different than any other place, organization, etc., with goals of their own. I am going to be true to our goals and purpose here, as i'm sure the government and everyone else are true to theirs. So i guess, in that regard, i am kinda like the government. In that thread, this post (http://destee.com/forums/showpost.php?p=358931&postcount=27), i said the following, and i still stand by it:


Those who can speak their opinion while remaining within our rules, maintaining our peace, can speak here ... but if they can't do that here, there are a few other places on the net that will embrace them ... and for those who can't speak anywhere, i encourage them to create their own site and let their voice be heard.

Brother Emanuel ... if i banned everyone who disagreed with me, i'd be here alone. You seem to think that i banned Brother SAMURAI because i don't agree with him, but that's not true. I don't hardly know any of the stuff that Brother SAMURAI knows, well enough to disagree with him on any of it. It's kinda sad, the thought that i won't be privy to his knowledge any longer. It's rarely been the content of his message that i've disagreed with, but rather, the presentation of it. I'm of the opinion, that there is a right and proper way to do all things, including talking to our Sisters and Brothers in an online community, and we should strive toward that. In addition, we have thousands of Members, over 400,000 posts, and i don't hardly agree with them all, yet they are still here. So no, agreeing with me is not necessary to remain in good standing in this community.

I guess the proverbial buck stops here, with me. That's okay. Someone has to make the hard decisions, popular or not, and deal with the consequences. I'm more than willing and able to do that. I believe with my whole heart, considering all things, that i made the best decision for this community.

I hope i've answered your questions, and if you have more, or i missed something, let me know.

Much Love and Peace.

:heart:

Destee

Likewise, losing Brother SAMURAI is not a win for me.sorry, not that it much matters, eh, but you've got another "not a win for me" on your hands ... or had ya noticed?

i agree with sam; there was no "attack" on his father - he shared a deep, personal private (and prolly painful) thought for the purpose of seeking to help to get a point across. but, oh well; you have spoken.

It's rarely been the content of [the] message that i've disagreed with, but rather, the presentation of it. I'm of the opinion, that there is a right and proper way to do all things,from the "things that make you go hmmmm" department ...
i think that there are a lot of people around this planet, and some that are no longer around this planet, that have had some small bit of "disagreement" with this notion that "everything must be said in a manner that I/WE have deemed to be the only appropriate way to present yourself." (which, oddly enough, seems to be endemic, mostly, of north atlantic indigenes; most of the rest of us seem to have more of a "live and let live" attitude.)

nobody seems willing to consider the fit of the other's shoes anymore. truly sad ...

(OT: might want to keep an eye on "copyright infringement" issues possibly directed at "GooTube" ... just sayin, is all.)

sorry, not that it much matters, eh, but you've got another "not a win for me" on your hands ... or had ya noticed?

Brother anAfrican ... my reference to Brother SAMURAI being "not a win for me" was to illustrate, that even though he's gone, i've not won. The goal of this community is to unite us, so when that fails on any level, it's a bit disappointing, especially with someone so knowledgeable as Brother SAMURAI. No matter though, there are enough Members that want to be here, and abide by the rules, and they are the ones i want to notice most.


i agree with sam; there was no "attack" on his father - he shared a deep, personal private (and prolly painful) thought for the purpose of seeking to help to get a point across. but, oh well; you have spoken.

from the "things that make you go hmmmm" department ...
i think that there are a lot of people around this planet, and some that are no longer around this planet, that have had some small bit of "disagreement" with this notion that "everything must be said in a manner that I/WE have deemed to be the only appropriate way to present yourself." (which, oddly enough, seems to be endemic, mostly, of north atlantic indigenes; most of the rest of us seem to have more of a "live and let live" attitude.)

nobody seems willing to consider the fit of the other's shoes anymore. truly sad ...

(OT: might want to keep an eye on "copyright infringement" issues possibly directed at "GooTube" ... just sayin, is all.)

Unfortunately, it's not your decision to make, what is considered an "attack" in this community.

You're certainly entitled to disagree with what i did, and i thank you for sharing that opinion.

:heart:

Destee

Brother Emanuel ... i wanna share with you the fact that not even the Moderators or myself, are allowed to consistently break the rules and peace here. Not even me! There have been times when i have been so mad, and wanted to go on and on, fussing about whatever i was fussing about ... and Brother James has basically shut me up! I was so mad at him! I was like, who is he to shut me up anywhere in this community! I mean, i was really mad at him. But i took some time away, cooled down, and had to admit to myself, that that is exactly what he is suppose to do. For even i am not above the rules and peace found here.

There was another time when a Moderator and myself were in the chat room fussing with each other, caught up in the moment and being disruptive to the peace. Sister QueenTswana threatened to kick us both out of the chat room! She's even told me that i can be banned from chat for a few days, if i don't act right!

Now both of these people ... Brother James and Sister QueenTswana ... are a part of the Moderating TEAM because i invited them. They didn't invite me. But they both understand how important our peace is, and made me know that i am not above it.

None of us are above the peace we've been so abundantly blessed with.

:heart:

Destee

Samurai was one of the strongest (in terms of knowledge-of-self) members on this board. His banning is just another reason to not visit here as often. It appears that every member with a strong opinion is banned. There goes another blow to the spirituality forum. There are many of us who come here to gain wisdom who don't enjoy the celebrity talk, happy birthday threads or other meaningless emoticon-filled nonsense.

Peace to Brother Samurai

Samurai was one of the strongest (in terms of knowledge-of-self) members on this board. His banning is just another reason to not visit here as often. It appears that every member with a strong opinion is banned. There goes another blow to the spirituality forum. There are many of us who come here to gain wisdom who don't enjoy the celebrity talk, happy birthday threads or other meaningless emoticon-filled nonsense.

Peace to Brother Samurai

Brother Chucky ... he was also the strongest in terms of disruption as well.

While his knowledge has value ... i don't want it at any cost ... i'm not giving up our peace for it.

So if his not being here, means you won't be here ... i'm willing to pay that price.

Much Love and Peace.

:heart:

Destee

dang L. Webb you might have to go back and change angela
back the lady with the shotgun

keep holding it down soldier

this is your world

you hate to see people go, like you said we want community but in the long run we do have choices

i heard alot about censorship on this site but if censorship means a more peaceful place and this is YOUR place then you have the right to say what goes on it

i don't have a problem that

and afterall this is Destee.com not suckers.com

and destee delete that stupid guy that signed up today with the name

vladmirKKK

another cyber idiot

another medicated kid sucking his thumb

i might not agree with everything that goes on here but i can agree
i love being here, i mean what family doesn't have issues some real small
some real large


peace Destee

sorry, not that it much matters, eh, but you've got another "not a win for me" on your hands ... or had ya noticed?

i agree with sam; there was no "attack" on his father - he shared a deep, personal private (and prolly painful) thought for the purpose of seeking to help to get a point across. but, oh well; you have spoken.

from the "things that make you go hmmmm" department ...
i think that there are a lot of people around this planet, and some that are no longer around this planet, that have had some small bit of "disagreement" with this notion that "everything must be said in a manner that I/WE have deemed to be the only appropriate way to present yourself." (which, oddly enough, seems to be endemic, mostly, of north atlantic indigenes; most of the rest of us seem to have more of a "live and let live" attitude.)

nobody seems willing to consider the fit of the other's shoes anymore. truly sad ...

(OT: might want to keep an eye on "copyright infringement" issues possibly directed at "GooTube" ... just sayin, is all.)

I agree
Everytime I look around he gets banned.
If two people cannot get along than they should ignore each other.
Another teacher gone:maddd:

I agree
Everytime I look around he gets banned.
If two people cannot get along than they should ignore each other.
Another teacher gone:maddd:
I seriously doubt he'll come back this time:maddd:

I agree
Everytime I look around he gets banned.
If two people cannot get along than they should ignore each other.
Another teacher gone:maddd:

Sister Cursed Heart ... what do you mean, every time you look around he's banned?

He was banned, his membership suspended, on 06-14-05 (http://destee.com/forums/showthread.php?p=335778), but you didn't actually see that ... because you weren't here.

It's never happened since ... till now ... so what exactly are you talking about?

And no, i'm not going to ignore anyone that ignores my requests to maintain our peace. That's not gonna happen.

Brother DSS ... thanks for the love ... :love:

:heart:

Destee

Samurai was one of the strongest (in terms of knowledge-of-self) members on this board. His banning is just another reason to not visit here as often. It appears that every member with a strong opinion is banned. There goes another blow to the spirituality forum. There are many of us who come here to gain wisdom who don't enjoy the celebrity talk, happy birthday threads or other meaningless emoticon-filled nonsense.

Peace to Brother Samurai

While I certainly agree with the sentiment shared above, I can't ignore the *many* members of strong opinions, such as Omowale and Music Producer who, rather than directly confronting those with whom they have disagreements, start innumerable threads in a diffuse way to subvert the opinions of others.

When those others respond directly in those threads, they are seen as a "threat to unity" or some other totalitarian language.

I will remember this moment, and many others I've seen on this board, as proofs of the GAPING GULF between African people, here and elsewhere, because of the European innovations of RHETORIC and ISONOMIA (local, as opposed to universal, rules, established on the power of tribal heads rather than the common good).

MUSIC PRODUCER has slung profuse and dense MUD upon the names of members of the AAS on this board, and upon their leader, who is a ACTUAL AGENT of Black Unity, who has strived for 30 years to galvanize the Yoruba, Akan and KAMITIC communities into a common spiritual and political power.

MUSIC PRODUCER, has given us repitition of scripture, and revision of the Dogon teachings, on a message board, and theories that members of this board are HERETICS, and LIARS, and CIA AGENTS.

None of this seems to matter to Destee. Yet, when the ideas of NEELY FULLER were critically analyzed in a like manner, SAM was accused of being disrespectful, as if FULLER is a respected African Elder, but RA UN NEFER AMEN is not.

Similarly, OMOWALE seems to enjoy some sort of pretentious authority on this board, and never fails to attribute this to his PATRONAGE, or to his RESPECTFUL manner.

And yet, his "respectful opinions" have endeavored to criticize RA UN NEFER AMEN as a plagiarist, and as an inferior metaphysician, and as a LIAR, over and over again on this board.

Were so many threads started about NEELY FULLER, it is doubtful they would have lasted.

And finally, this Omowale person has been disproved, by SO MANY CRITERIA of historiography, on his ideas about history, including:

-The discontinuity of the Kamitic and later African societies, by citation of Chiekh Anta Diop, when the whole work of DIOP was to make such a thesis untenable

-The "Moorish" nationality or ethnicity of Omar ibn Said, or of Senegalese people, period, by the authority of a Christian evangelical website

-A "Hellenic" character for the Roman West, absent in the Byzantine East, by the time of that empire's suzerainty over the Ethiopian Orthodox Church (even though the *Roman Emperor* established Constantinople the SAME YEAR that the EOC was officiated)

And so, so many other points.

All this has been overlooked because of the "peacable" (or cautious) nature of this poster. If a white person were to come on the board, and espouse subsequent historical untruths, we might wonder how they would fare under the administrative jurisprudence.

I don't believe in politics, but instead, the triumph and regency of TRUTH.

I held off my support for this site until I saw some equity in the administrative practices, and now that this will never be realized, I have to withdraw from this site.

Not that I would encourage others to follow my lead, by any means, but at least demand a loftier treatment of the people by your own, than what has been demonstrated by our open enemy (the Pa' Tamahu, Caucasian race).

HETEP.

... I have to withdraw from this site.

Brother ANUK_AUSAR ... peace.

:heart:

Destee

i appreciate your comments

and you make some good points

but we need to stand tall here

we've endured so much (as a people)

i think with can withstand a disagreement or two

if we cut and ran all the time

where would we be? (as a people)

there are good people on this site

including people on this thread

To me it's like this.......when I first came on here .....I came in with fire and disrespect ...mainly due to the topic and the opinions of some folk as well as the way those opinions were expressed......I had never been on a message board as such well not one like this anyway and didn't know how to act and address folk but I found that the same manners and such you show folk in the real you should show in the virtual..

There are ways to do things ....you can voice an opinion but there is a way to do it......talking down to folk that don't agree with you ....questioning the intellect of folk just based on the opinions they have or the things they do ain't right ........

I'm mannerable in the real when I engage folks and as I had to learn I have to be the same in the virtual.......this forum has rules , and a lot of them deal with how you should or shouldn't address other members when you break them rules then it's either time for you to check yourself and fix the problem or get on........there's nothing wrong with that.......I run a message board ...it is probably the oldest messageboard of its kind in existence today and even though I have few rules I do have some and if they are broken more than once the person doing it is gone no question, no discussion...

So concerning Sam ....I didn't agree with a lot of stuff he said and we had a go around or two but you have to realize it wasn't his opinion that folks had issues with it was the way it was presented.....after our go round I understood that is the way he expresses himself and we didn't have anymore issues but that being said a person still can't come to a site with a pre-existant set of rules and not abide by them .......

As to the comment about his Father .....I didn't see it so much as an attack as a commentary on their relationship.......to the comment about him being spiritually uncultivated ......well there is a thought process I've noticed among Black folks who believe they have become enlightened to label those of us whom they consider not enlightened as uncultivated,unenlightened,unintelligent because we don't necessarily agree to their theories and ideologies and that's fine with me whatever a person needs to do to make them feel good about themselves is cool, so even that I didn't see as an attack on his Father..........

Right wrong or otherwise however the decision was made and it stands....I don't disagree with it completely only on some points but as a premise of "know the rules, know how to talk to folks or get to moving " I agree 100% with what Destee did......



MississippiRed

I ENJOYED YOUR COMMENT

IF SOMEONE WANTS TO COMMENT ON THEIR FAMILY SO BE IT

IF SOMEONE DOESN'T AGREE WITH YOU NAME CALLING IS STUPID

EVERYBODY DOESN'T UNDERSTAND AND SEE THINGS THE WAY YOU DO

YOU WOULD LIKE PEOPLE TO UNDERSTAND BUT WHEN THEY DON'T JUST MOVE ON IF THEY DON'T GET IT

FOR THE RECORD IF I CALL SOMEONE A NAME THAT MEANS I'M TRYING TO DRAW THEM OUT IN THE OPEN WHERE I CAN.......................

DANG I LET YOU INTO MY STREET STRATEGY

BECAUSE RED

WE NEED MORE OF YOU

While I certainly agree with the sentiment shared above, I can't ignore the *many* members of strong opinions, such as Omowale and Music Producer who, rather than directly confronting those with whom they have disagreements, start innumerable threads in a diffuse way to subvert the opinions of others.

When those others respond directly in those threads, they are seen as a "threat to unity" or some other totalitarian language.

I will remember this moment, and many others I've seen on this board, as proofs of the GAPING GULF between African people, here and elsewhere, because of the European innovations of RHETORIC and ISONOMIA (local, as opposed to universal, rules, established on the power of tribal heads rather than the common good).

MUSIC PRODUCER has slung profuse and dense MUD upon the names of members of the AAS on this board, and upon their leader, who is a ACTUAL AGENT of Black Unity, who has strived for 30 years to galvanize the Yoruba, Akan and KAMITIC communities into a common spiritual and political power.

MUSIC PRODUCER, has given us repitition of scripture, and revision of the Dogon teachings, on a message board, and theories that members of this board are HERETICS, and LIARS, and CIA AGENTS.

None of this seems to matter to Destee. Yet, when the ideas of NEELY FULLER were critically analyzed in a like manner, SAM was accused of being disrespectful, as if FULLER is a respected African Elder, but RA UN NEFER AMEN is not.

Similarly, OMOWALE seems to enjoy some sort of pretentious authority on this board, and never fails to attribute this to his PATRONAGE, or to his RESPECTFUL manner.

And yet, his "respectful opinions" have endeavored to criticize RA UN NEFER AMEN as a plagiarist, and as an inferior metaphysician, and as a LIAR, over and over again on this board.

Were so many threads started about NEELY FULLER, it is doubtful they would have lasted.

And finally, this Omowale person has been disproved, by SO MANY CRITERIA of historiography, on his ideas about history, including:

-The discontinuity of the Kamitic and later African societies, by citation of Chiekh Anta Diop, when the whole work of DIOP was to make such a thesis untenable

-The "Moorish" nationality or ethnicity of Omar ibn Said, or of Senegalese people, period, by the authority of a Christian evangelical website

-A "Hellenic" character for the Roman West, absent in the Byzantine East, by the time of that empire's suzerainty over the Ethiopian Orthodox Church (even though the *Roman Emperor* established Constantinople the SAME YEAR that the EOC was officiated)

And so, so many other points.

All this has been overlooked because of the "peacable" (or cautious) nature of this poster. If a white person were to come on the board, and espouse subsequent historical untruths, we might wonder how they would fare under the administrative jurisprudence.

I don't believe in politics, but instead, the triumph and regency of TRUTH.

I held off my support for this site until I saw some equity in the administrative practices, and now that this will never be realized, I have to withdraw from this site.

Not that I would encourage others to follow my lead, by any means, but at least demand a loftier treatment of the people by your own, than what has been demonstrated by our open enemy (the Pa' Tamahu, Caucasian race).

HETEP.

I was going to stay out of this until my name now is being mentioned.


In the three *examples* mentioned concerning *khemetic history and Diop, Omar ibn Said and the Ehtiopian Orthodox Church, what I had issue with, and still do, are,

Those who use Diop on one hand to support your arguments, then turn around and says he doesn't really understand because he was a Muslim.

Those who claim that the Ethiopian literary history as evidenced in the KEBRA NAGAST, a document written by the Ethiopians themselves, was fraudulent. And what is the source of this refutation? The wikipedia and a AFRICAN CHRISTIANITY website.

Those who claim Omar ibn Said was not a "moor" using again the wikipedia as "proof" while denying totally the information I provided on the history of the Moors by PAUL NUBI, a well known AFRICAN Historian.

Those who defame our Ancestors Nefertiti and Pharaoh Akhenaten.

Who in their right minds can actually argue that I have NOT openly confronted those who have put forth these arguments and NOT defended my positions?

What did your questions concerning my educational background have to do with the topic of that specific forum? Answer:NOTHING.

It was simply another attempt to put me down to suggest I am uneducated and simply providing information that I don't understand and do not even read.

As far as my comments concerning RUNA and the AAS I have stated what I thought about his "Teachings" and the "Conduct" of those who represent "Ausarian religion" while refraining from "attacking" the "character" of those in question.

If I am constantly being referred to as a "LIAR" and someone who "I hope doesnt teach our children African history" what type of response do you expect from me, when my own PERSONAL CREDIBILITY is under attack?!

I OPENLY stated after MONTHS that I was going to play the role of "Akhenaten's advocate" and stated OPENLY in another forum that in my "hierarchy", Ancestors come before Elders.

If an ELDER openly SLANDERS an ANCESTOR I view it as a karmic responsibility to DEFEND that ANCESTOR.

Understand what is at the root of my disagreement with one brother in particular who i at one time DEFENDED against two other brothers who were banned before he finally was.

And I must not admit to have regrets concerning allowing this very same individual to plant a SEED against another member, as he has done with some of YOU against Sister Destee and this site.

In fact, the reason I have been posting using my ORIGINAL screen name is to let some of you know "I been around" and I have witnessed this game play out over and over and have learned from the mistakes of others and not allow myself to be constantly BAITED and to "keep it moving".

PEACE!

I agree MississippiRed.

I'm a firm believer of "what you put out in the world you'll get back." While many seem to overlook the condensending attutide Brother Samurai took on folks who was less knowledgeable and didn't share his veiws, the focus is on the final straw that caused this decision to be executed.

It seems like many are saying, because a person has money in the bank, it is perfectly fine for them to come into their home, smack their family around, and go against the grain of which their family has maintained, all because he has this money in the bank.

Although many descrepancies may not be caught right away, they will be caught and this forum will maintain the spirit in which it was created. We will not allow other members to be belittle for the sake of a strong opinion, whether that opinion is deem knowledgabe or ignorant. This community is for the upliftment of Black People, to bring us together inspite of our diversities. to encourage knowledge and awareness of self, and most important of all, it was created so that we may learn to respect each other regardless of where we are in our walk of life. If no one is for this, then they are against it, and this is not the place for them.

Time and time again, Sister Destee has address Brother Samurai about behaviors that go against the grain in which she established this community. Time and time again, he has chose to ignore her request. She is not one to give up on our people, which is why he was allowed to remain here as long as he did.

We talk about censorship, like its a dirty word, when in real time (not virtual) we go about our everyday life abiding to the censorship of our jobs, in our personal homes, the censorship of the media, and any other aspect of life that we are not directly in control of. Yet you come here talking about the rules and regulation of this forum as a dictator and censorship. Every sucessful business or organization have set rules that all will abide by. (No exceptions to the rules) We are an online community striving for a purpose and our rules will be abide. Every organization has one person who will make the final call of a decision discussed by a designated group of people. This has been the way for people since the beginning of time and its been that way for a very good reason.

Sister Destee, as you already know, I support your decision. You have been here 10+ years cultivating and molding your vision of bringing us together. Although you haven't done it all alone and a handful of others stuck by you side through it all, you've maintaind through trail, error, and determination, the vision you,ve forseen.

I love you Sis! :heart:

Thank you!

To me it's like this.......when I first came on here .....I came in with fire and disrespect ...mainly due to the topic and the opinions of some folk as well as the way those opinions were expressed......I had never been on a message board as such well not one like this anyway and didn't know how to act and address folk but I found that the same manners and such you show folk in the real you should show in the virtual..

There are ways to do things ....you can voice an opinion but there is a way to do it......talking down to folk that don't agree with you ....questioning the intellect of folk just based on the opinions they have or the things they do ain't right ........

I'm mannerable in the real when I engage folks and as I had to learn I have to be the same in the virtual.......this forum has rules , and a lot of them deal with how you should or shouldn't address other members when you break them rules then it's either time for you to check yourself and fix the problem or get on........there's nothing wrong with that.......I run a message board ...it is probably the oldest messageboard of its kind in existence today and even though I have few rules I do have some and if they are broken more than once the person doing it is gone no question, no discussion...

So concerning Sam ....I didn't agree with a lot of stuff he said and we had a go around or two but you have to realize it wasn't his opinion that folks had issues with it was the way it was presented.....after our go round I understood that is the way he expresses himself and we didn't have anymore issues but that being said a person still can't come to a site with a pre-existant set of rules and not abide by them .......

As to the comment about his Father .....I didn't see it so much as an attack as a commentary on their relationship.......to the comment about him being spiritually uncultivated ......well there is a thought process I've noticed among Black folks who believe they have become enlightened to label those of us whom they consider not enlightened as uncultivated,unenlightened,unintelligent because we don't necessarily agree to their theories and ideologies and that's fine with me whatever a person needs to do to make them feel good about themselves is cool, so even that I didn't see as an attack on his Father..........

Right wrong or otherwise however the decision was made and it stands....I don't disagree with it completely only on some points but as a premise of "know the rules, know how to talk to folks or get to moving " I agree 100% with what Destee did......



MississippiRed

Brother Red,

In all due respect, you can count me as ONE who DID "have issue with his issues" and the way in which they were presented.

When someone tells me that I am of no value, making no contribution to this site and that he is prepared to call me a liar for every thing that I post, then, yes, I do have issues with someone degrading me to the point of inferring that I am an idiot, or a "Sahu" or "snake".

:jawdrop:

****...the brother will be seriously missed.

I agree MississippiRed.

I'm a firm believer of "what you put out in the world you'll get back." While many seem to overlook the condensending attutide Brother Samurai took on folks who was less knowledgeable and didn't share his veiws, the focus is on the final straw that caused this decision to be executed.

It seems like many are saying, because a person has money in the bank, it is perfectly fine for them to come into their home, smack their family around, and go against the grain of which their family has maintained, all because he has this money in the bank.

Although many descrepancies may not be caught right away, they will be caught and this forum will maintain the spirit in which it was created. We will not allow other members to be belittle for the sake of a strong opinion, whether that opinion is deem knowledgabe or ignorant. This community is for the upliftment of Black People, to bring us together inspite of our diversities. to encourage knowledge and awareness of self, and most important of all, it was created so that we may learn to respect each other regardless of where we are in our walk of life. If no one is for this, then they are against it, and this is not the place for them.

Time and time again, Sister Destee has address Brother Samurai about behaviors that go against the grain in which she established this community. Time and time again, he has chose to ignore her request. She is not one to give up on our people, which is why he was allowed to remain here as long as he did.

We talk about censorship, like its a dirty word, when in real time (not virtual) we go about our everyday life abiding to the censorship of our jobs, in our personal homes, the censorship of the media, and any other aspect of life that we are not directly in control of. Yet you come here talking about the rules and regulation of this forum as a dictator and censorship. Every sucessful business or organization have set rules that all will abide by. (No exceptions to the rules) We are an online community striving for a purpose and our rules will be abide. Every organization has one person who will make the final call of a decision discussed by a designated group of people. This has been the way for people since the beginning of time and its been that way for a very good reason.

Sister Destee, as you already know, I support your decision. You have been here 10+ years cultivating and molding your vision of bringing us together. Although you haven't done it all alone and a handful of others stuck by you side through it all, you've maintaind through trail, error, and determination, the vision you,ve forseen.

I love you Sis! :heart:

Thank you!

Thank you!

Yesterday I went as far as warning this person about their behavior towards me, then later, after I had stated in the same forum "Some people just dont know when to stop", there he went again.

Sister Destee is more than capable of handling herself but it was starting to remind me of my youth when "bullies" would pick on my sister when they couldnt get the best of me, just to attract my attention knowing I would come to the aid of my Sister.

I couldnt help but think, how can a brother continually come into my Sister's house, put folks down while holding hImselF as self-righteous, openly challenging and disrespecting my sister in HER house, to the point of saying "Whatever" then coming back later to cause more ruckus!

All the more throwing in my Sister's face WHY I "wont support you financially" WHILE NEGLECTING HIS OWN HOME!!!

pLEEZZ....

Brother Mississippi, Sister Purple, Brother O ... thanks for the love ... :love:

Brother SAMURIA is not here to defend or speak for himself, so let's not turn this into an attack on him.

Brother Emanuel asked me if i ban everyone who disagrees with me. That is the topic.

I'll take it a step further ... this should be fun ... :eeek: ... and ask yall ...

Have you ever disagreed with me ... and what did we disagree about? ... :)

:heart:

Destee

Brother Mississippi, Sister Purple, Brother O ... thanks for the love ... :love:

Brother SAMURIA is not here to defend or speak for himself, so let's not turn this into an attack on him.

Brother Emanuel asked me if i ban everyone who disagrees with me. That is the topic.

I'll take it a step further ... this should be fun ... :eeek: ... and ask yall ...

Have you ever disagreed with me ... and what did we disagree about? ... :)

:heart:

Destee

Sister Destee...I agree and will abide by your request.

As I stated, I would have stayed out of this but again, my name was mentioned in what I view as a "parting shot".

So, let me state openly that I agree with your decision, as I have with others. and yes....I have disagreed with you several times.

Remember a statement about "dishonesty"....and also concerning if a single mother can RAISE a Black man.

In both instances we came to a resolution.

I love you Sister Destee...

Peace!
:luv:

Brother Mississippi, Sister Purple, Brother O ... thanks for the love ... :love:

Brother SAMURIA is not here to defend or speak for himself, so let's not turn this into an attack on him.

Brother Emanuel asked me if i ban everyone who disagrees with me. That is the topic.

I'll take it a step further ... this should be fun ... :eeek: ... and ask yall ...

Have you ever disagreed with me ... and what did we disagree about? ... :)

:heart:

Destee

You are correct Sis!

Yes, I have disagreed with you on some things. Things I don't even remember now, because the outcome of your decision proved necessary. I don't have no legit experience on running an online community or an organization for that matter. All that I am learnig about this aspect of leadership is right here with you. Although I can remember a time disagreeing to a decision(s), I don't remember exactly what it was. You are doing a wonderful job and that, I cannot deny.

:heart:

...Now you see why we get nowhere as a People. We like to war with each other, rather than come to a common ground or understanding. Moreover, now you see why there is such a SHORTAGE of Men participating in certain things.

Just ridiculous...

KD

Sister Destee...I agree and will abide by your request.

As I stated, I would have stayed out of this but again, my name was mentioned in what I view as a "parting shot".

So, let me state openly that I agree with your decision, as I have with others. and yes....I have disagreed with you several times.

Remember a statement about "dishonesty"....and also concerning if a single mother can RAISE a Black man.

In both instances we came to a resolution.

I love you Sister Destee...

Peace!
:luv:

Brother O ... whew ... i remember the "dishonesty" moment we had. Wow. God is Good. I really thought that i (we) was going to lose you. I'm so proud of us, for being able to work through all of that, and end up still standing together. Simply Beautiful.

I don't remember the disagreement about Single Mothers, but i do know i have a very strong opinion on that topic, backed up by many years of experience and success ... so ... i can only imagine what position you took in that argument ... lol ... :)

I'm glad we were able to resolve everything.

Thanks for sharing.

:heart:

Destee

You are correct Sis!

Yes, I have disagreed with you on some things. Things I don't even remember now, because the outcome of your decision proved necessary. I don't have no legit experience on running an online community or an organization for that matter. All that I am learnig about this aspect of leadership is right here with you. Although I can remember a time disagreeing to a decision(s), I don't remember exactly what it was. You are doing a wonderful job and that, I cannot deny.

:heart:

Thank You Sister Purple ... :love:

I'm like you, i don't remember the disagreements, but i'm sure we've had some ... :lol:

I don't think there is anyone i've ever met, in my whole life, that agreed with everything i believed, did, or said.

I can't imagine any of us have that.

Thanks for sharing.

:heart:

Destee

We talk about censorship, like its a dirty word, when in real time (not virtual) we go about our everyday life abiding to the censorship of our jobs, in our personal homes, the censorship of the media, and any other aspect of life that we are not directly in control of.


work it girl

Brother O ... whew ... i remember the "dishonesty" moment we had. Wow. God is Good. I really thought that i (we) was going to lose you. I'm so proud of us, for being able to work through all of that, and end up still standing together. Simply Beautiful.

I don't remember the disagreement about Single Mothers, but i do know i have a very strong opinion on that topic, backed up by many years of experience and success ... so ... i can only imagine what position you took in that argument ... lol ... :)

I'm glad we were able to resolve everything.

Thanks for sharing.

:heart:

Destee

Sister Destee...

Since you dont remember the other disagreement I will leave it in the recesses of my memory. It would prove quite ironic if I revealed who I was in agreement with on that issue...:lol:

I'm glad we were able to resolve everthing also.

One love!
Omowale
:hearts3:

...Now you see why we get nowhere as a People. We like to war with each other, rather than come to a common ground or understanding. Moreover, now you see why there is such a SHORTAGE of Men participating in certain things.

Just ridiculous...

KD

Brother KWABENA ... i'm not sure what you are referring to as ridiculous, but i agree that there has been an element of ridiculousness.

In regard to there being a shortage of Black Men ... participating or otherwise ... this has more to do with white supremacy / racism, our Brothers being so very mistreated, incarcerated, killed ... and all of our minds conditioned to hate ourselves and each other ... than anything that can happen in this community.

But even no matter that, i've always been very proud of the fact that this community has ALWAYS had a very healthy supply of wonderful Brothers participating, supporting, and protecting our home. Always. Not just yesterday, last week, or last year, but always. I have even said ... we have more Brothers here, than in a small Baptist church ... we are blessed beyond compare ... and always have been ... and i'm trusting that the Creator and our Ancestors, will remain forever pleased with this effort, and continue pouring down the blessings.

Much Love and Peace.

:heart:

Destee

...Now you see why we get nowhere as a People. We like to war with each other, rather than come to a common ground or understanding. Moreover, now you see why there is such a SHORTAGE of Men participating in certain things.

Just ridiculous...

KD
Nowhere as a people?

Wow.

I remember just 20 years ago, before my Father passed, him telling me I was wasting my time supporting liberation movements in South Africa and how I would not see a free south africa in my lifetime...

This is a qualitative issue, more than quantitative. While I do not agree with the black male shortage argument (quantitative) i do agree there is a qualitative one and i dont know where folks is from but I dont blatantly disrespect MY SISTER IS HER HOUSE.

In fact, I pulled up an old thread dealing with this respect issue which probably needs more MEN to address the points raised.

Have we disagreed....yes ma'am surely have........as I have on certain other issues here ....have we always handled it or discussed it in a mannerable good natured way....always.....I engage in discussion with folks I know I can have a civil discussion with ....usually if the disagreement continues with anybody on here I'll agree to disagree no harm no foul no ill will toward the person on the other end...it's just not that serious

So D yes we've disagreed I have no idea what it was about though because I don't hold on to disagreements, I'd rather find a point on which we see eye to eye than to search for things we'll never agree on...

Da Street Soulja - Thank you for the good words Brother..

Brother O - Point taken and I do see where you're coming from..


Purple Moons - Thank you for putting the cherry on top of the sundae for me as far as your comments go....


MississippiRed

Have we disagreed....yes ma'am surely have........as I have on certain other issues here ....have we always handled it or discussed it in a mannerable good natured way....always.....I engage in discussion with folks I know I can have a civil discussion with ....usually if the disagreement continues with anybody on here I'll agree to disagree no harm no foul no ill will toward the person on the other end...it's just not that serious

So D yes we've disagreed I have no idea what it was about though because I don't hold on to disagreements, I'd rather find a point on which we see eye to eye than to search for things we'll never agree on...

Da Street Soulja - Thank you for the good words Brother..

Brother O - Point taken and I do see where you're coming from..


Purple Moons - Thank you for putting the cherry on top of the sundae for me as far as your comments go....


MississippiRed

Brother Mississippi ... i know we have disagreed, but like you, i don't remember what it was about. Another thing i know, is that you are an absolute pleasure to read and interact with ... i love it when we disagree ... because when we're agreeing, our conversations are shorter ... :lol: ... but when we disagree i get to engage you longer, experience your positive energy longer, and am presented with an opportunity to learn something new, see a different perspective, all of that within a civil and relaxing exchange.

Yep Brother Mississippi ... i enjoy our disagreements ... and if you stop disagreeing with me ... you will be banned! :love:

:heart:

Destee

Destee the bottom line is you and sam don't get along.
I rarely see you two agree on anything.
I thought for sure he has been banned before.
What I did see is he made a statement about his father and you chastised him as if he was a toddler.

If sam corrects those who are misinformed why is that a problem?:pool:

Destee the bottom line is you and sam don't get along.
I rarely see you two agree on anything.
I thought for sure he has been banned before.
What I did see is he made a statement about his father and you chastised him as if he was a toddler.

If sam corrects those who are misinformed why is that a problem?:pool:

Sister Cursed Heart ... Brother SAMURAI can do whatever he wants, just not here.

:heart:

Destee

Sister Cursed Heart ... Brother SAMURAI can do whatever he wants, just not here.

:heart:

Destee

So he's banned forever?

So he's banned forever?

Sister Cursed Heart ... yes, the ban is meant to be forever, but some who have been banned "forever" ... after staying away a long time ... have been allowed to return after promising not to give me any work to do fussing about their behavior ... promising to abide by and respect our rules.

But yeah, i banned him with the full intention of never having to fuss at him again.

:heart:

Destee

Every organization has one person who will make the final call of a decision discussed by a designated group of people. This has been the way for people since the beginning of time and its been that way for a very good reason.
this is simply not true or accurate. what you describe is a dictatorship and dictatorships are the least successful organizations. they cannot function when the dictator is not available. the more successful organizations are governed by consensus. everyone's view is taken into account. it is a two way street not a one way. when the feelings of the group are not given any weight there is no justice. the only peace obtained in a dictatorship is that of the dictator.

this is simply not true or accurate. what you describe is a dictatorship and dictatorships are the least successful organizations. they cannot function when the dictator is not available. the more successful organizations are governed by consensus. everyone's view is taken into account. it is a two way street not a one way. when the feelings of the group are not given any weight there is no justice. the only peace obtained in a dictatorship is that of the dictator.
no one else matters.

Brother James ... you're a part of the TEAM you're describing ... this dictatorship ... so what really are you saying?

:heart:

Destee

this is simply not true or accurate. what you describe is a dictatorship and dictatorships are the least successful organizations. they cannot function when the dictator is not available. the more successful organizations are governed by consensus. everyone's view is taken into account. it is a two way street not a one way. when the feelings of the group are not given any weight there is no justice. the only peace obtained in a dictatorship is that of the dictator.
no one else matters.

Yes Elder James, everyone view is taken into account, but one will make the final call of that decision. It may appear that the majority will rule, but if you think about, there is but one head who can overturn the elected party, and if the head is in disagreement, the majority will not rule. It's a smoke and mirror tactic. Some may think in politics, that a group of congressmen will have the final say, but there is a person one never sees and that person can and will overule that congress, when need be. Political representatives are paid and brought help. They will rarely bite the hand that frost's their pockets.

Brother James ... you're a part of the TEAM you're describing ... this dictatorship ... so what really are you saying?

:heart:

Destee
purplemoons said a dictatorship is the best and i disagreed.
dictatorships only last as long as the dictator does.
look at cuba vrs the us. cuba will die when castro does.
the us will continue because we have a consensus organization.
what i am really saying is that a democracy is stronger than a dictatorship.

as far as the team goes, i made no reference to that at all.
i merely voiced my opinion on successful organizational policy..

purplemoons said a dictatorship is the best and i disagreed.
dictatorships only last as long as the dictator does.
look at cuba vrs the us. cuba will die when castro does.
the us will continue because we have a consensus organization.
what i am really saying is that a democracy is stronger than a dictatorship.

as far as the team goes, i made no reference to that at all.
i merely voiced my opinion on successful organizational policy..

Okay ... i misunderstood ... sorry. Thanks.

:heart:

Destee

Those who use Diop on one hand to support your arguments, then turn around and says he doesn't really understand because he was a Muslim.

I too was going to stay out of this until I read this misleading statement of yours.

Diop's strong points were ancient Egyptian anthropology, history, historiography, archaeology and linguistics. His weak point was Kamitic spirituality, and it is believed by some that his early Muslim education colored his views in that respect. So it's possible to agree with him on matters of anthropology, history, historiography, archaeology and linguistics, and SIMULTANEOUSLY disagree with him on matters of Kamitic spirituality without being self contradictory. Agreeing or disagreeing with Diop or any other scholar is not an all or nothing at all proposition, and you know it.

It's really despicable the way you smear people who disagree with you by manufacturing these kinds of false arguments against them. HAVE YOU NO SENSE OF SHAME?

Those who claim that the Ethiopian literary history as evidenced in the KEBRA NAGAST, a document written by the Ethiopians themselves, was fraudulent. And what is the source of this refutation? The wikipedia and a AFRICAN CHRISTIANITY website.
You do the same thing when you create threads and post links to white owned and operated new age websites as your references. The intellectually honest thing to do would be to critique the content of the referenced article with scholarly references of your own . Launching these vague mudslinging attacks on the credibility of Wikipedia as a whole just because it’s Wikipedia is the way of the intellectually lazy: It speaks loudly but says nothing.

“Those who defame our Ancestors Nefertiti and Pharaoh Akhenaten.”

That depends on what you mean by “defame.” If the information presented about them puts them in a bad light but is nevertheless true, then all the mudslinging and hissing in response to their criticism won’t change what’s in the historical record. I’m sure there are quite a few neo-nazis, skin heads and klansmen who believe their ancestor Adolph Hitler has been defamed.

As far as my comments concerning RUNA and the AAS I have stated what I thought about his "Teachings"
A few weeks ago I challenged you to specify those teachings by quoting directly from his writings or his lectures. If you recall, you had made statements about what you falsely claimed were his "Teachings" on Akhenaten and monotheism which I SHOWED--BY GOING DIRECTLY TO WHAT HE ACTUALLY WROTE--were in fact not his teachings at all. The only response I saw from you was to back down in the face of this evidence and admit that you were talking about statements made by people you call his “followers" and not what RUNA had actually been teaching himself. Granted, I’m not on these boards 16 hrs a day, 7 days a week like some people, so I might have missed some direct quotes from RUNA’s writings that you posted and critiqued. Did I?

“and the "Conduct" of those who represent "Ausarian religion" while refraining from "attacking" the "character" of those in question.”

Again, it depends on what you call an “attack.” Your average neo-nazi would consider the statement that “Hitler killed 6 million jews” to be an attack.:lol:

I have witnessed numerous occasions where you lashed out angrily at “non-Ausarian” people who disagreed with your opinions on just about any topic-ShemsuEnTehuti and emanuel goodman being the most notable examples-so it isn't a beef you have with "Ausarians." It's against anybody who disagrees with you--PERIOD. These are two of the nicest and classiest people you will ever meet on any internet forum, so you can’t fairly accuse them of conducting themselves in a less than exemplary manner. Your response to anyone who disagrees with you--Ausarian or not-- is no more complimentary to your religion than you claim the response of those who represent the “Ausarian religion” is to theirs.

"If I am constantly being referred to as a "LIAR" and someone who "I hope doesnt teach our children African history" what type of response do you expect from me, when my own PERSONAL CREDIBILITY is under attack?!”
If you don't want to constantly be referred to as a liar then stop lying. It's just that simple. And if someone calls you that anyway, you can take the high road and post counter arguments by going directly to the writings or statements of those with whom you disagree--RUNA or anybody else-- and counter them with SCHOLARLY references to back up your POV rather than behaving worse than how you claim members of the “Ausarian religion” do.

As far as teaching our black children is concerned, when you parrot the white racist lie from egyptology that the Kamau (misnomered ancient egyptians) referred to the Nubians as "negroes" (a word that doesn't even exist in the Kamitic language!) and launch your scurrilous mudslinging attacks against Afrikan centered scholars who've risked their entire careers to correct the lies of white racist "scholars" FOR THE BENEFIT OF BLACK CHILDREN, you prove just how unfit you are to teach Afrikan history to anybody, child or adult.

“I OPENLY stated after MONTHS that I was going to play the role of "Akhenaten's advocate" and stated OPENLY in another forum that in my "hierarchy", Ancestors come before Elders.

If an ELDER openly SLANDERS an ANCESTOR I view it as a karmic responsibility to DEFEND that ANCESTOR.”
Would that include the ANCESTORS who snitched on Denmark Vesey and Gabriel Prosser? How about the ANCESTOR who set up Fred Hampton and Mark Clark to be murdered by the FBI? Will you defend them too?

The take home lesson is that not all ancestors deserve our respect, and you should know that. Only those known as the Sheps, or Honored Ancestors who do honorable things during their time on this earth deserve it. They don't have to be high falutin' muckety-mucks with royal titles either. I know it’s a bitter pill to swallow, but not everyone regards Akhenaten and Nefertiti as Honored Ancestors, and all the mudslinging and strawman argumentation tactics in the world won't change that reality.The sooner you make your peace with that fact of life on Destee.com the sooner you'll be able to settle down and get your teach on with respect to YOUR spiritual beliefs and practices.

Those who use Diop on one hand to support your arguments, then turn around and says he doesn't really understand because he was a Muslim.

I too was going to stay out of this until I read this misleading statement of yours.

I wish i knew more about the things you all talk about, so i could be in a position to know when someone is being misleading, lying, or what have you. I just don't know. I have no clue. So i'm not able to defend or challenge any of it.

I really appreciate Brother Kemetkind starting the study lessons (http://destee.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=257), and everyone who has contributed to them. I've not given this effort much time lately, but i intend on getting caught up soon. But even then, based on the little i know, it'll take years for me to be in a position to actually argue any of this ... at least that's what it seems like right now, on the outside looking in.

Anyway ... it was mentioned earlier in this thread, that i've never defended the Metu Neter or its Author ... but that's only because i'm not qualified. For those who are and do, thank you for helping to keep the record straight, for those like me ... who do not have a clue.

Much Love and Peace.

:heart:

Destee

Destee...Keep doing what you do...only a few of us know the Genesis of this family and the tribulation that made it necessary....although even we had our disagreement in the past...I find no fault in you...

The Bishop has spoken...

Destee...Keep doing what you do...only a few of us know the Genesis of this family and the tribulation that made it necessary....although even we had our disagreement in the past...I find no fault in you...

The Bishop has spoken...

Thank You Bishop ... i appreciate you and your love so very much ... :love:

:heart:

Destee

You Are Most Welcomed....

I too was going to stay out of this until I read this misleading statement of yours.

Diop's strong points were ancient Egyptian anthropology, history, historiography, archaeology and linguistics. His weak point was Kamitic spirituality, and it is believed by some that his early Muslim education colored his views in that respect. So it's possible to agree with him on matters of anthropology, history, historiography, archaeology and linguistics, and SIMULTANEOUSLY disagree with him on matters of Kamitic spirituality without being self contradictory. Agreeing or disagreeing with Diop or any other scholar is not an all or nothing at all proposition, and you know it.

It's really despicable the way you smear people who disagree with you by manufacturing these kinds of false arguments against them. HAVE YOU NO SENSE OF SHAME?


You do the same thing when you create threads and post links to white owned and operated new age websites as your references. The intellectually honest thing to do would be to critique the content of the referenced article with scholarly references of your own . Launching these vague mudslinging attacks on the credibility of Wikipedia as a whole just because it’s Wikipedia is the way of the intellectually lazy: It speaks loudly but says nothing.



That depends on what you mean by “defame.” If the information presented about them puts them in a bad light but is nevertheless true, then all the mudslinging and hissing in response to their criticism won’t change what’s in the historical record. I’m sure there are quite a few neo-nazis, skin heads and klansmen who believe their ancestor Adolph Hitler has been defamed.


A few weeks ago I challenged you to specify those teachings by quoting directly from his writings or his lectures. If you recall, you had made statements about what you falsely claimed were his "Teachings" on Akhenaten and monotheism which I SHOWED--BY GOING DIRECTLY TO WHAT HE ACTUALLY WROTE--were in fact not his teachings at all. The only response I saw from you was to back down in the face of this evidence and admit that you were talking about statements made by people you call his “followers" and not what RUNA had actually been teaching himself. Granted, I’m not on these boards 16 hrs a day, 7 days a week like some people, so I might have missed some direct quotes from RUNA’s writings that you posted and critiqued. Did I?



Again, it depends on what you call an “attack.” Your average neo-nazi would consider the statement that “Hitler killed 6 million jews” to be an attack.:lol:

I have witnessed numerous occasions where you lashed out angrily at “non-Ausarian” people who disagreed with your opinions on just about any topic-ShemsuEnTehuti and emanuel goodman being the most notable examples-so it isn't a beef you have with "Ausarians." It's against anybody who disagrees with you--PERIOD. These are two of the nicest and classiest people you will ever meet on any internet forum, so you can’t fairly accuse them of conducting themselves in a less than exemplary manner. Your response to anyone who disagrees with you--Ausarian or not-- is no more complimentary to your religion than you claim the response of those who represent the “Ausarian religion” is to theirs.


If you don't want to constantly be referred to as a liar then stop lying. It's just that simple. And if someone calls you that anyway, you can take the high road and post counter arguments by going directly to the writings or statements of those with whom you disagree--RUNA or anybody else-- and counter them with SCHOLARLY references to back up your POV rather than behaving worse than how you claim members of the “Ausarian religion” do.

As far as teaching our black children is concerned, when you parrot the white racist lie from egyptology that the Kamau (misnomered ancient egyptians) referred to the Nubians as "negroes" (a word that doesn't even exist in the Kamitic language!) and launch your scurrilous mudslinging attacks against Afrikan centered scholars who've risked their entire careers to correct the lies of white racist "scholars" FOR THE BENEFIT OF BLACK CHILDREN, you prove just how unfit you are to teach Afrikan history to anybody, child or adult.


Would that include the ANCESTORS who snitched on Denmark Vesey and Gabriel Prosser? How about the ANCESTOR who set up Fred Hampton and Mark Clark to be murdered by the FBI? Will you defend them too?

The take home lesson is that not all ancestors deserve our respect, and you should know that. Only those known as the Sheps, or Honored Ancestors who do honorable things during their time on this earth deserve it. They don't have to be high falutin' muckety-mucks with royal titles either. I know it’s a bitter pill to swallow, but not everyone regards Akhenaten and Nefertiti as Honored Ancestors, and all the mudslinging and strawman argumentation tactics in the world won't change that reality.The sooner you make your peace with that fact of life on Destee.com the sooner you'll be able to settle down and get your teach on with respect to YOUR spiritual beliefs and practices.


I'm not going to go around and again have to defend myself point by point. Somehow it seems people want to blame me for the actions which solely rest upon one brother in particular who had his own set of problems of which I was one of many people over the years in which he had disagreement.

And no, in this instance, I have no sense of shame as you also have alluded to before. The shame in this matter is not upon me. It is upon the person who despite numerous warnings decided to consuct himself in a manner which was deemed by some to be offensive.

It is no crime of mine to view one single source, the wikipedia, as unreliable in some instances regarding BLACK history, particularly not when it is used to dis-credit the scholarship of African historians. You may view this as intellectually lazy, but perhaps this can be said of those who dont actually take the time to read the works of the very same people who folks alledge I am not actually reading.

Again, some of you want to make bogus claims against others but then want to cry when similar arguments are used against you. Interestingly, you accuse me of making scurrilous remarks against "African centered" scholars yet, anyone who actually reads my posts, knows that it is these very same scholars who I tend to quote and use as references.

Interesting while accusing me of "mudslinging attacks" what exactly are you doing here and what have you been doing? I am sure that some even have questioned my having two accounts and I believe don't you also? Or did you forget about that?

Just as your statement concerning our Ancestors may be true, I can say the same about some of our Elders. Not everyone regards "RUNA" as an Honored Elder and all the mudslinging and straw man argumentation tactics in the world won't change that reality. Furthermore, it won't change what has happened here concerning a brother who made his own decisions in regards to this FAMILY.

As far as myself settling down and "getting my teach on" with respect to MY spiritual beliefs and practices, I have been doing exactly that, throughout all attempts to divert my attention. And I am sure that some folks here have taken notice to that FACT.

Peace...

I wish i knew more about the things you all talk about, so i could be in a position to know when someone is being misleading, lying, or what have you. I just don't know. I have no clue. So i'm not able to defend or challenge any of it.

I really appreciate Brother Kemetkind starting the study lessons (http://destee.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=257), and everyone who has contributed to them. I've not given this effort much time lately, but i intend on getting caught up soon. But even then, based on the little i know, it'll take years for me to be in a position to actually argue any of this ... at least that's what it seems like right now, on the outside looking in.

Anyway ... it was mentioned earlier in this thread, that i've never defended the Metu Neter or its Author ... but that's only because i'm not qualified. For those who are and do, thank you for helping to keep the record straight, for those like me ... who do not have a clue.

Much Love and Peace.

:heart:

Destee

My issue here is who really is "setting the record straight". I am sure that even brother Kemetkind has "questioned" some of the very same people that I have, some who seem to take offense to the fact that some people ask them questions in the first place.

As an educator with a mater's degreee in special education with 20 years in the field I do not take lightly to these accusations that I am not worthy of teaching our youth, not with the amount of service that I have dedicated to inner city youth, not only as an educator but as an athletic coach, a gang intervention counselor, a performing arts instructor and a union leader who retired form the field after recieving los angeles board of education commendation for my contributions to BLACK children.

I have done far more than perhaps all of these "accusors" combined!

I too was going to stay out of this until I read this misleading statement of yours.

Diop's strong points were ancient Egyptian anthropology, history, historiography, archaeology and linguistics. His weak point was Kamitic spirituality, and it is believed by some that his early Muslim education colored his views in that respect. So it's possible to agree with him on matters of anthropology, history, historiography, archaeology and linguistics, and SIMULTANEOUSLY disagree with him on matters of Kamitic spirituality without being self contradictory. Agreeing or disagreeing with Diop or any other scholar is not an all or nothing at all proposition, and you know it.

It's really despicable the way you smear people who disagree with you by manufacturing these kinds of false arguments against them. HAVE YOU NO SENSE OF SHAME?


You do the same thing when you create threads and post links to white owned and operated new age websites as your references. The intellectually honest thing to do would be to critique the content of the referenced article with scholarly references of your own . Launching these vague mudslinging attacks on the credibility of Wikipedia as a whole just because it’s Wikipedia is the way of the intellectually lazy: It speaks loudly but says nothing.



That depends on what you mean by “defame.” If the information presented about them puts them in a bad light but is nevertheless true, then all the mudslinging and hissing in response to their criticism won’t change what’s in the historical record. I’m sure there are quite a few neo-nazis, skin heads and klansmen who believe their ancestor Adolph Hitler has been defamed.


A few weeks ago I challenged you to specify those teachings by quoting directly from his writings or his lectures. If you recall, you had made statements about what you falsely claimed were his "Teachings" on Akhenaten and monotheism which I SHOWED--BY GOING DIRECTLY TO WHAT HE ACTUALLY WROTE--were in fact not his teachings at all. The only response I saw from you was to back down in the face of this evidence and admit that you were talking about statements made by people you call his “followers" and not what RUNA had actually been teaching himself. Granted, I’m not on these boards 16 hrs a day, 7 days a week like some people, so I might have missed some direct quotes from RUNA’s writings that you posted and critiqued. Did I?



Again, it depends on what you call an “attack.” Your average neo-nazi would consider the statement that “Hitler killed 6 million jews” to be an attack.:lol:

I have witnessed numerous occasions where you lashed out angrily at “non-Ausarian” people who disagreed with your opinions on just about any topic-ShemsuEnTehuti and emanuel goodman being the most notable examples-so it isn't a beef you have with "Ausarians." It's against anybody who disagrees with you--PERIOD. These are two of the nicest and classiest people you will ever meet on any internet forum, so you can’t fairly accuse them of conducting themselves in a less than exemplary manner. Your response to anyone who disagrees with you--Ausarian or not-- is no more complimentary to your religion than you claim the response of those who represent the “Ausarian religion” is to theirs.


If you don't want to constantly be referred to as a liar then stop lying. It's just that simple. And if someone calls you that anyway, you can take the high road and post counter arguments by going directly to the writings or statements of those with whom you disagree--RUNA or anybody else-- and counter them with SCHOLARLY references to back up your POV rather than behaving worse than how you claim members of the “Ausarian religion” do.

As far as teaching our black children is concerned, when you parrot the white racist lie from egyptology that the Kamau (misnomered ancient egyptians) referred to the Nubians as "negroes" (a word that doesn't even exist in the Kamitic language!) and launch your scurrilous mudslinging attacks against Afrikan centered scholars who've risked their entire careers to correct the lies of white racist "scholars" FOR THE BENEFIT OF BLACK CHILDREN, you prove just how unfit you are to teach Afrikan history to anybody, child or adult.


Would that include the ANCESTORS who snitched on Denmark Vesey and Gabriel Prosser? How about the ANCESTOR who set up Fred Hampton and Mark Clark to be murdered by the FBI? Will you defend them too?

The take home lesson is that not all ancestors deserve our respect, and you should know that. Only those known as the Sheps, or Honored Ancestors who do honorable things during their time on this earth deserve it. They don't have to be high falutin' muckety-mucks with royal titles either. I know it’s a bitter pill to swallow, but not everyone regards Akhenaten and Nefertiti as Honored Ancestors, and all the mudslinging and strawman argumentation tactics in the world won't change that reality.The sooner you make your peace with that fact of life on Destee.com the sooner you'll be able to settle down and get your teach on with respect to YOUR spiritual beliefs and practices.


"How about the ANCESTOR who set up Fred Hampton and Mark Clark to be murdered by the FBI?"


I don't think you or anyone else really want to go there with me.

Not a former UCLA BSU LEADER and follower of Bunchy Carter and John Huggins who were assassinated by members of one of those "Afrocentric scholars" (organization) that you speak of!

Or the followers of the man who openly has admitted his role in the murder of one Malik El Shabazz, one of my earliest teachers in the NOI, of which my family was part of His leadership in the OAAU.

Again, I am not playing here and I dont take lightly these kinds of accusations at the same time I have been posting hours of video on the Black Panthers, the Black Liberation Army political prisoners and the COINTELPRO.

Who actually is attempting "character assassination" here?

My issue here is who really is "setting the record straight". I am sure that even brother Kemetkind has "questioned" some of the very same people that I have, some who seem to take offense to the fact that some people ask them questions in the first place.

As an educator with a mater's degreee in special education with 20 years in the field I do not take lightly to these accusations that I am not worthy of teaching our youth, not with the amount of service that I have dedicated to inner city youth, not only as an educator but as an athletic coach, a gang intervention counselor, a performing arts instructor and a union leader who retired form the field after recieving los angeles board of education commendation for my contributions to BLACK children.

I have done far more than perhaps all of these "accusors" combined!

Brother Omowale ... i made it clear that i'm not qualified to determine who is "setting the record straight." I'm sure i'm not alone. There are probably many Members just as lost as i am. With this being the case, it's really important that we communicate in the best of manners ... so those reading ... those you are teaching ... can clearly see the meat of the exchange ... vs ... the fussing and fighting ... allowing us to determine for ourselves, who is telling the truth based on the meat presented. This is a challenge for all of us. We all must strive to do our best, at all times. Mr. Neely Fuller says, that every time we have something to say, or something to do ... and there are a multitude of ways to say or do those things ... we should always choose the very best way. I challenge myself to do this. Of course i've not perfected it, but, i am trying.

Yes, i know that Brother Kemetkind has asked many questions, and i know that Brother Sami_RaMaati has answered many of his questions. It seems that they have developed a very positive and enlightening exchange. I'm glad, because i'm behind in those lessons, and their clarity will make it easier for me to catch up.

We've gone through a little bit the past few hours, evidenced by this very thread, and i'm really looking forward to not having to fuss, break up fights, ask folk to respect each other ... stuff like that ... i'm really looking forward to the peace ... i'm so tired ... so please ... if there is anything you can do to help facilitate that, i'd be ever so grateful. Let's let bygones be bygones. Let's move forward, together, in the best of manners.

Let's let the healing begin.

:heart:

Destee

Brother Omowale ... i made it clear that i'm not qualified to determine who is "setting the record straight." I'm sure i'm not alone. There are probably many Members just as lost as i am. With this being the case, it's really important that we communicate in the best of manners ... so those reading ... those you are teaching ... can clearly see the meat of the exchange ... vs ... the fussing and fighting ... allowing us to determine for ourselves, who is telling the truth based on the meat presented. This is a challenge for all of us. We all must strive to do our best, at all times. Mr. Neely Fuller says, that every time we have something to say, or something to do ... and there are a multitude of ways to say or do those things ... we should always choose the very best way. I challenge myself to do this. Of course i've not perfected it, but, i am trying.

Yes, i know that Brother Kemetkind has asked many questions, and i know that Brother Sami_RaMaati has answered many of his questions. It seems that they have developed a very positive and enlightening exchange. I'm glad, because i'm behind in those lessons, and their clarity will make it easier for me to catch up.

We've gone through a little bit the past few hours, evidenced by this very thread, and i'm really looking forward to not having to fuss, break up fights, ask folk to respect each other ... stuff like that ... i'm really looking forward to the peace ... i'm so tired ... so please ... if there is anything you can do to help facilitate that, i'd be ever so grateful. Let's let bygones be bygones. Let's move forward, together, in the best of manners.

Let's let the healing begin.

:heart:

Destee

Yes, Sister Destee....I'm trying. Perhaps it would be best for me to let these accusations be hurled at me with no further response.

After all is said and done, I am about Honoring Our Ancestors,and shall dedicate my efforts here to that and Be Living the Truth rather than arguing over mundane "spirituality".

PEACE,

Omowale...

It is unfortunate that Bro. Samuria has been banned. I have read this thread with interest. In fact, I predicted this reaction looooong ago. Now is the time for cooler heads to prevail and to use this as an opportunity to make the room better.

1. D dearest, you and many of your sisters take things, too personal. Even those which are not necessarily directed at you. Why?

2. Many of your decisions seem to be based on this. Which is a very poor business model.*

3. The Moderators, from their inception, have been set up to essentially be a club of "yes men". I told you that was a recipe for failure when I was a member. The comments in here proves that point. A bunch of people saying 2+2=6 ( LMAO Yes I know ) is still wrong. There is nothing wrong with divergent opinions

4. You can not have a discussion on issues of today, without there being passion and intensity. Abortion, OOW births, Iraq, etc all have people supporting them on either side. I have been amazed at how people take these disagreements so personally. Someone NOT taking your side, isnt offensive!

5. You have different rules of censorship for the poetry room than you do for the discussion forums. You cant allow some of the things said in one to be covered by the blanket called art and free expression and not apply the same rules in the discussion forums.

Finally, I just had a coworker lose his daughter to a car accident. They had to pull the plug today. That is serious. Not anything said in this room, by someone you really dont know and probably will never meet, is! Step back, take a chill pill and most of all, GROW UP!!!!!!!!!!!! :censored:

Nothing Samurai said will ever rise to the level of Kryizar. And yall keep letting him back in here. ( Why I will never know )

* We will talk *

Yes, Sister Destee....I'm trying. Perhaps it would be best for me to let these accusations be hurled at me with no further response.

After all is said and done, I am about Honoring Our Ancestors,and shall dedicate my efforts here to that and Be Living the Truth rather than arguing over mundane "spirituality".

PEACE,

Omowale...

Brother Omowale ... yes, i know you're trying, and i'm very proud of you! Thank You! :love:

That's the thing about our trying to do what's best ... what's best may be different for all of us. Given the same situation, with our own individual experiences, understandings, etc., that answer could vary every single time. But what's wonderful about the concept, that i like so much, is that we'll all be striving to do our best. There will be evidence of "best" being put on the table. Each of us bringing our own. This reminds me of the saying ... sump'n bout if you reach for the stars, you might not get there, but you'll be in the clouds ... or sump'n ... lol ... i'm not even gonna google that, and i know i got it all wrong! :)

Brother O ... i agree with you, regarding Honoring Our Ancestors. Even those who made mistakes, sold us out, killed their own, they are still ours and just as much victims of white supremacy / racism, as the rest of us. We all manifest it in some way or another. We all support it in some way or another. The system of racism / white supremacy is set up to work that way, and it does, evidenced by the condition of our people collectively, world-wide. We can spend all day pointing out where each other, and our Ancestors, have dropped the ball. But where does that get us? At the end of the day, have we replaced racism white supremacy? Is it moving us toward that? Is empowering ourselves the goal? I've made bad decisions in my life. I've gone left, when i should have went right. I've stumbled, fallen, and got back up. Please forgive me now, for one day, i too will be an Ancestor. Not only that, but my Mother, Father, GrandMother, GrandFather, and Great GrandMother, are Ancestors too. They weren't perfect, but i love them. I honor them. And because i do, sincerely with my whole heart, this means i must honor (and if necessary, defend) my Sisters and Brothers Ancestors as well. How can we expect, ask, hope that God / The Creator bless us, when we don't even bless those we come from. I don't know about yall, but i have quite a few petitions before God and our Ancestors so i strive to keep my life, my comings and goings, in a position to receive them. Fortunately or unfortunately, this community is a part of my comings and goings, and subject to what i think is pleasing to God and our Ancestors. I can't say i'm sorry about this, because i'm not. I think it is a clear and direct blessing from The Creator and Our Ancestors, the success of this community, my evidence that they are pleased with what goes on here. Our Ancestors are protected and respected here. No matter who they are. Now if you are presenting their "life errors" in an effort to teach us what not to do, how to learn from their mistake, in our journey to free ourselves, then of course ... this is alright ... but don't push it. We will all be Ancestors one day. How will your life stand up to the same critique? If all of your "life errors" were put on the table before the world, what would be said of you? Let us be careful how we treat each other, for it is way past time.

Whew!

I didn't intend on saying all of that! :)

I Love You Brother O :love:

:heart:

Destee

i support samurai and i think he was a benefit to this place. i agree that some of us take things far too personal and get way too emotional and also hold onto that negativity way too long. i used to be like that myself but i've had to grow out of it.

i support samurai leaving because it was beginning to seem as if he and destee were going to be fighting all over the place. it was never going to end.
it was better for him to walk than to have a never ending battle.

i hope he can find or create a site where he can say what he wants to say without inhibition.
destee is what she is. if cats what to open up beyond what this place can handle they have to set up their own place where they can do that.

Kemetstry
3. The Moderators, from their inception, have been set up to essentially be a club of "yes men". I told you that was a recipe for failure when I was a member. The comments in here proves that point. A bunch of people saying 2+2=6 ( LMAO Yes I know ) is still wrong. There is nothing wrong with divergent opinions


LMAO @ Yes men. :lol: You're still my #1 Polemicists.:slobber:

Brother Omowale ... yes, i know you're trying, and i'm very proud of you! Thank You! :love:

That's the thing about our trying to do what's best ... what's best may be different for all of us. Given the same situation, with our own individual experiences, understandings, etc., that answer could vary every single time. But what's wonderful about the concept, that i like so much, is that we'll all be striving to do our best. There will be evidence of "best" being put on the table. Each of us bringing our own. This reminds me of the saying ... sump'n bout if you reach for the stars, you might not get there, but you'll be in the clouds ... or sump'n ... lol ... i'm not even gonna google that, and i know i got it all wrong! :)

Brother O ... i agree with you, regarding Honoring Our Ancestors. Even those who made mistakes, sold us out, killed their own, they are still ours and just as much victims of white supremacy / racism, as the rest of us. We all manifest it in some way or another. We all support it in some way or another. The system of racism / white supremacy is set up to work that way, and it does, evidenced by the condition of our people collectively, world-wide. We can spend all day pointing out where each other, and our Ancestors, have dropped the ball. But where does that get us? At the end of the day, have we replaced racism white supremacy? Is it moving us toward that? Is empowering ourselves the goal? I've made bad decisions in my life. I've gone left, when i should have went right. I've stumbled, fallen, and got back up. Please forgive me now, for one day, i too will be an Ancestor. Not only that, but my Mother, Father, GrandMother, GrandFather, and Great GrandMother, are Ancestors too. They weren't perfect, but i love them. I honor them. And because i do, sincerely with my whole heart, this means i must honor (and if necessary, defend) my Sisters and Brothers Ancestors as well. How can we expect, ask, hope that God / The Creator bless us, when we don't even bless those we come from. I don't know about yall, but i have quite a few petitions before God and our Ancestors so i strive to keep my life, my comings and goings, in a position to receive them. Fortunately or unfortunately, this community is a part of my comings and goings, and subject to what i think is pleasing to God and our Ancestors. I can't say i'm sorry about this, because i'm not. I think it is a clear and direct blessing from The Creator and Our Ancestors, the success of this community, my evidence that they are pleased with what goes on here. Our Ancestors are protected and respected here. No matter who they are. Now if you are presenting their "life errors" in an effort to teach us what not to do, how to learn from their mistake, in our journey to free ourselves, then of course ... this is alright ... but don't push it. We will all be Ancestors one day. How will your life stand up to the same critique? If all of your "life errors" were put on the table before the world, what would be said of you? Let us be careful how we treat each other, for it is way past time.

Whew!

I didn't intend on saying all of that! :)

I Love You Brother O :love:

:heart:

Destee

Sister Destee,

In all honesty, this is the ONLY place on the internet where I have learned anything. It is the ONLY place where anyone (in this case brother Aquil) has convinced me to change a previously held notion concerning "religion" AND "astrology".

This is the ONLY place where I have had the benefit of participating in a "chat class" conducted by a brother or sister with such in-depth spiritual (yes, spiritual) and CONSCIOUS, political, perspective as brother Old Soul.

And with the new video upload feature, something which I can only do on myspace but in a more limited manner, I can now add video to forums already created in the "Honoring Our Ancestors" section and be content here with doing nothing else but "communing with Our Ancestors, and/or adding video to threads I have already created.

One thing for sure, graphic representation is a lot better than the spoken word. Its kinda difficult to argue with a quote from someone when everyone can see exactly what the person actually said, and for me, it shall serve to keep me out of circular arguments, which keep going around and leading only to strife and no revolutionary ACTION.

The thing that I appreciate about YOU, Sister-Queen-Mother Destee is that I KNOW the attacks on your own personal character and that you have withstood those attakcs and still maintain a LOVING DISPOSITION through it all. This is something that I am trying to cultivate but I think that I am at the end of one road (with my younger Brothers) and now preparing for another, and making preparations with my Daughter for "Her Day Shall Come Forth" , perhaps sooner than she recognizes.

The thing that I recognize, looking to the Future is that one day I also will be an "Ancestor" and I will be leaving a Legacy here when the Creator calls me home. Presently, this is all that I "Be Living" these days, with nothing to prove to anyone but my Self my own worth as a MAN of ACTION.

One love,
Brother Omowale...

:bowdown:

I respected brother Samurai and even though Kemetstry reminds us this is just a message board, I was TRULY saddened to see him go.

He is a brilliant brother, there's not many who question that.

The fact this thread discussing his departure is nearly 1,000 views and six pages reflects the impact he had on this community.

Most of that impact was positive, but too much of it wasn't, for as brilliant as the brother is, he hasn't yet learned basic principles of how to express knowledge without being confrontational and contentious.

The TONE of some of our forums is too war-like, and though he admonished this tone in his final post the brother was drawn to warlike, combative discussions like a moth to bright light.

Ultimately, the brother decided his TIME would be better spent in other pursuits.

That's what we're overlooking. Samurai chose to move on, and had been leaning toward that decision for some time. If Samurai wanted to be here he would still be here.

He didn't have to go out with such a bang, he could've quietly decided it was time to move on and stopped posting, but given the fact his father was (unnecessarily) brought into it, I can't say I would've had the maturity to react any differently than he did, especially if I already knew I was planning a hiatus.

Bottom line, Samurai will be missed, there's no question about that, but we have an opportunity now to reflect on what we want this place to become, and become even more diligent in guarding those ideals, being willing to check our own selves when we stray from them, and be checked, as swiftly as we are willing to check others.

If we can take from his departure a lesson that enables growth, his leaving will have served a greater purpose than just keeping the peace.

PEACE

If we can take from his departure a lesson that enables growth, his leaving will have served a greater purpose than just keeping the peace.


:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

i support samurai and i think he was a benefit to this place. i agree that some of us take things far too personal and get way too emotional and also hold onto that negativity way too long. i used to be like that myself but i've had to grow out of it.

i support samurai leaving because it was beginning to seem as if he and destee were going to be fighting all over the place. it was never going to end.
it was better for him to walk than to have a never ending battle.

i hope he can find or create a site where he can say what he wants to say without inhibition.
destee is what she is. if cats what to open up beyond what this place can handle they have to set up their own place where they can do that.


LMAO :spin: :smokin: :shades:

You still take a lot of things waaaaaaay too personal :playball:
And whether you like it or not, you ARE a yes man :darts:

D being what she is sometimes is a poor business model. The room cant continue to exist under that type of heavy hand. She didnt use to be that way :garbage: :kick:

LMAO @ Yes men. :lol: You're still my #1 Polemicists.:slobber:


Thanx

But you get my point :darts:

Brother Omowale ... yes, i know you're trying, and i'm very proud of you! Thank You! :love:

That's the thing about our trying to do what's best ... what's best may be different for all of us. Given the same situation, with our own individual experiences, understandings, etc., that answer could vary every single time. But what's wonderful about the concept, that i like so much, is that we'll all be striving to do our best. There will be evidence of "best" being put on the table. Each of us bringing our own. This reminds me of the saying ... sump'n bout if you reach for the stars, you might not get there, but you'll be in the clouds ... or sump'n ... lol ... i'm not even gonna google that, and i know i got it all wrong! :)

Brother O ... i agree with you, regarding Honoring Our Ancestors. Even those who made mistakes, sold us out, killed their own, they are still ours and just as much victims of white supremacy / racism, as the rest of us. We all manifest it in some way or another. We all support it in some way or another. The system of racism / white supremacy is set up to work that way, and it does, evidenced by the condition of our people collectively, world-wide. We can spend all day pointing out where each other, and our Ancestors, have dropped the ball. But where does that get us? At the end of the day, have we replaced racism white supremacy? Is it moving us toward that? Is empowering ourselves the goal? I've made bad decisions in my life. I've gone left, when i should have went right. I've stumbled, fallen, and got back up. Please forgive me now, for one day, i too will be an Ancestor. Not only that, but my Mother, Father, GrandMother, GrandFather, and Great GrandMother, are Ancestors too. They weren't perfect, but i love them. I honor them. And because i do, sincerely with my whole heart, this means i must honor (and if necessary, defend) my Sisters and Brothers Ancestors as well. How can we expect, ask, hope that God / The Creator bless us, when we don't even bless those we come from. I don't know about yall, but i have quite a few petitions before God and our Ancestors so i strive to keep my life, my comings and goings, in a position to receive them. Fortunately or unfortunately, this community is a part of my comings and goings, and subject to what i think is pleasing to God and our Ancestors. I can't say i'm sorry about this, because i'm not. I think it is a clear and direct blessing from The Creator and Our Ancestors, the success of this community, my evidence that they are pleased with what goes on here. Our Ancestors are protected and respected here. No matter who they are. Now if you are presenting their "life errors" in an effort to teach us what not to do, how to learn from their mistake, in our journey to free ourselves, then of course ... this is alright ... but don't push it. We will all be Ancestors one day. How will your life stand up to the same critique? If all of your "life errors" were put on the table before the world, what would be said of you? Let us be careful how we treat each other, for it is way past time.

Whew!

I didn't intend on saying all of that! :)

I Love You Brother O :love:

:heart:

Destee


P.S.- And you should make a personal effort to invite Samurai back :kick: with no hard feelings :darts:

Thanx

But you get my point :darts:

:love: Yes, I get your point, but I also know it's far from being true.

:love: Yes, I get your point, but I also know it's far from being true.

We will agree to disagree. :playball: I think the evidence is quite clear on this. :darts: There have been other threads alluding to this very issue :kick: :garbage: :pool: :bowl:

K Brother, no problem.:smokin:

brother Kemetstry surely i'm no YES man i'm for what's right and fair act
to everyone don't lable me nor pick and choose for me ...sorry but your statement
is dead wrong !

It is unfortunate that Bro. Samuria has been banned. I have read this thread with interest. In fact, I predicted this reaction looooong ago. Now is the time for cooler heads to prevail and to use this as an opportunity to make the room better.

I'm not surprised that you predicted it long ago, considering you've basically experienced the very same thing. I implored you too, to stop disrespecting our peace, and you wouldn't, and i banned you ... this is like deja vu for me and you. Don't stop here though, let's predict some more stuff. What's gonna happen if you keep being disruptive, the tiny little bit we've already talked about? Can you predict what the outcome of that will be?


1. D dearest, you and many of your sisters take things, too personal. Even those which are not necessarily directed at you. Why?

If me and my Sisters are too anything for you ... exercise your options.


2. Many of your decisions seem to be based on this. Which is a very poor business model.*

If my goal was to present a great business model, the above would mean something to me. I reckon.


3. The Moderators, from their inception, have been set up to essentially be a club of "yes men". I told you that was a recipe for failure when I was a member. The comments in here proves that point. A bunch of people saying 2+2=6 ( LMAO Yes I know ) is still wrong. There is nothing wrong with divergent opinions

Kemetstry ... it's one thing for you to talk about me, attack me, but i aint finna let you jump on my Moderators. What you've said above isn't even worthy of a response. What failure do you see in this community? We are blessed beyond compare! We've done nothing but GROW since you told me whatever you say you told me, way back when. We have been blessed to remain alive, not only alive, but thriving. You leave, come back, and we're still here, bigger and busier than ever! That's because i have a great TEAM of Moderators! They are Strong, Intelligent, Experienced, Opinionated, Love Their People ... Please. These things shine through all over this community. Quit hate'n. What you got to put on the table that outshines this community? Where's your TEAM? Let's put them side by side, and let the evidence speak for itself. Show us all how you've done so much better in this arena, than i have.

Actually ... stop it ... you aint finna be all up in here, talking about me and us, with no evidence to support it.


4. You can not have a discussion on issues of today, without there being passion and intensity. Abortion, OOW births, Iraq, etc all have people supporting them on either side. I have been amazed at how people take these disagreements so personally. Someone NOT taking your side, isnt offensive!

We are a very passionate and intense people automatically. It don't take no nuth'n to bring that out of us. There is nothing i, nor anyone, can really do to take this out of us. We still have it in us after all of the mistreatment we've received around the world. Couldn't be beat, burned, hung, dragged, or shot out of us. Our passion and intensity is probably a part of why, things are as good as they are. So no, i aint try'n to take nobody's passion and intensity. I have lots of my own, and don't want nobody mess'n with it ... but disrespect, chaos, noise, fighting, conflict ... nahhh ... i aint try'n to live in the midst of all that.

Kemetstry ... i personally don't care if we ever agree. We've rarely agreed, in all the years i've known you, so why do you think it would offend me now? I'm not offended at all. Actually, it's not your views that disrupt the peace, but how you so callously present them. You share them with no consideration for the other person, the one you may be talking to, or about. No concern of how the message may be received. That is really retarded, as in stunted ... as thoug