According to the metu neter, what is the "Source of all evil"?

since you say that you have read the metu neter yourself, why do you ask this question?
having read it you already know the answer.

since you say that you have read the metu neter yourself, why do you ask this question?
having read it you already know the answer.

I ask because I want to know what the understanding is of others.

you said that you read the book and that you reject the book. you don't care for it. why do you care what people think?
if you have rejected the book, which is OK by me, why do you continue?
why not just move forward with something that you do accept?
seem like beating a dead horse to me.

you said that you read the book and that you reject the book. you don't care for it. why do you care what people think?
if you have rejected the book, which is OK by me, why do you continue?
why not just move forward with something that you do accept?
seem like beating a dead horse to me.

As I stated, I ask because I want to know what the understanding is of others.

Can you answer a simple question without questioning my motive?

you said that you read the book and that you reject the book. you don't care for it. why do you care what people think?
if you have rejected the book, which is OK by me, why do you continue?
why not just move forward with something that you do accept?
seem like beating a dead horse to me.

By the way, can you quote exactly where I stated that "I reject the book"?

I am sure a few days ago I stated that I have read up to Volume 2, Chapter 17. That means that I am still engaged in "study".

I am sure that I can accept the Message without accepting the "messengers" if the message is itself Divine Knowledge that proves beneficial in my own process of SELF-initiation.

By the way, can you quote exactly where I stated that "I reject the book"?

I am sure a few days ago I stated that I have read up to Volume 2, Chapter 17. That means that I am still engaged in "study".

I am sure that I can accept the Message without accepting the "messengers" if the message is itself Divine Knowledge that proves beneficial in my own process of SELF-initiation.

In fact, I stated clearly what it is that I "reject".

It is the manner in which...
http://destee.com/forums/showpost.php?p=452912&postcount=13

As I stated, I ask because I want to know what the understanding is of others.

Can you answer a simple question without questioning my motive?

"When philosophers ask ontological questions they are concerned with establishing what is actually or possibly out there in the world, independently so to say of the idiosyncrasies of their own cognitive processes."


"Ontologists assume it is possible, and take ontologies to be the result of such an effort. Let's say however that, even though we take the somehow relativistic position that whatever result of a cognitive process it will always be nothing more than a particular, subjective, point of view, the distinction between ontology and epistemology should be maintained, at least from a methological point of view, in order to be be able to distinguish a cognitive process directed to the world from a cognitive process directed to another cognitive process."

In other words, denying the fact that the ultimate and definitive ontology could be reached has nothing to do with the distinction between an investigation concerned with what are the kinds of structures of the objects, properties and relations, and another investigation concerned with how can a particular subject posit the existence of a particular object with a particular structure, or more precisely, when is a particular subject justified in holding that a particular object with a particular structure exist.

If in this particular context "We must understand the difference between thinking and knowing" and "the mistaking of thinking , and the acquisition of information for knowing is one of the fundamental causes for evil in the world" and assuming it is also true that "A careful study of people will show that they honestly believe that they equate the knowledge of the information that they have recieved about things in life , especially religion, government, marriage and such topics with knowledge of the realities themselves" my questioning is an attemopt to determine what is knowledge differentiated from what is thought concerning the source of all evil.

There are those who state openly that they do not believe yet do not precisely indicate they know that which they profess to think. I am in the process of practical application of what I know and am attempting to connect with those of like-mind.

According to the metu neter, what is the "Source of all evil"?

I don't know what it states as the source of all evil, but in chapter 7 vol II is the following:

How is Evil Established in the World:

"The Setanists are those relatively few individuals in the world who have developed their will beyond the majority of Sahu Men, but have not developed it enough to overcome the lower faculties (intellect, imagination, memory and emotions). Thus, their will is still dominated by their lower faculties, especially the intellect and animal spirit.

The higher development of their will above the Sahu Man gives them the ability to dominate the latter. They gain enough insight into the workings of the lower faculties, and the weakness created by the absence of input from the dormant higher faculties to enable them to deceive the Sahu Man, and thus gain control over him/her. As the Sahu Man makes up the majority in the world, Set is thus able to gain world dominance."

By the way, can you quote exactly where I stated that "I reject the book"? Not only have I read it, like any other work I have critiqued it and discontinued after reading volume 2, chapter 17.

Once you and others started referring to others as "Sahu", "snakes" and "vipers" I concluded that I read more than I need to.
my bad, i thought you said you had rejected it.

I don't know what it states as the source of all evil, but in chapter 7 vol II is the following:

How is Evil Established in the World:

"The Setanists are those relatively few individuals in the world who have developed their will beyond the majority of Sahu Men, but have not developed it enough to overcome the lower faculties (intellect, imagination, memory and emotions). Thus, their will is still dominated by their lower faculties, especially the intellect and animal spirit.

The higher development of their will above the Sahu Man gives them the ability to dominate the latter. They gain enough insight into the workings of the lower faculties, and the weakness created by the absence of input from the dormant higher faculties to enable them to deceive the Sahu Man, and thus gain control over him/her. As the Sahu Man makes up the majority in the world, Set is thus able to gain world dominance."

Thank you brother kemetkind.

This gives insight into how the "Usurpers" operate and attempt to undermine the established order, while attempting to exercise control and "order" over the masses.

my bad, i thought you said you had rejected it.


No problem. In fact, I have also mentioned before concerning meditation and how I am having problems shutting down my "thinking" process. My closest family tell me I think too much so I find the discourse (actually in Chapter 18) concerning developing the ability to "totally shut down thinking" quite challenging and I have recently been making progress in this area.

The problem is I moved into this area without completing the first assignment in Chapter 17 in reference to "austerity". I began detoxing in 21 day cycles but it will take me a total of nine months to complete all of the cycles.

A major part of my problem, admittedly, is arguing in these forums but the upside of that is even the negative interaction strengthens my Spiritual Will, but this may not be the proper environment for me at this time and I may need to take a hiatus after all. The downside of that is not having anyone in my immediate environment to engage in discourse with at a similar level of spiritual development.

No problem. In fact, I have also mentioned before concerning meditation and how I am having problems shutting down my "thinking" process. My closest family tell me I think too much so I find the discourse (actually in Chapter 18) concerning developing the ability to "totally shut down thinking" quite challenging and I have recently been making progress in this area.

The problem is I moved into this area without completing the first assignment in Chapter 17 in reference to "austerity". I began detoxing in 21 day cycles but it will take me a total of nine months to complete all of the cycles.

A major part of my problem, admittedly, is arguing in these forums but the upside of that is even the negative interaction strengthens my Spiritual Will, but this may not be the proper environment for me at this time and I may need to take a hiatus after all. The downside of that is not having anyone in my immediate environment to engage in discourse with at a similar level of spiritual development.
those are the same issues that i am struggling with.

Thank you brother kemetkind.

This gives insight into how the "Usurpers" operate and attempt to undermine the established order, while attempting to exercise control and "order" over the masses.

Another reference to the source of evil occurs in Vol. I Chapter 19 (The Metutu), pg 266:

"The living of the knowledge of the essential and original unconditioned state of our spirit is a fundamental prerequisite for acheiving success in all of our undertakings. The realization of this goal is the ability to maintain a state of deep inner peace that cannot be upset by externals. This condition is called Hetep. Realization of this knowledge is the final goal of life.

Ignorance of the knowledge of our essential state leads to the identification with our conditioned reflexes and behavioral patterns. It is the fundamental cause of all failures and evil in the world."

Another reference to the source of evil occurs in Vol. I Chapter 19 (The Metutu), pg 266:

"The living of the knowledge of the essential and original unconditioned state of our spirit is a fundamental prerequisite for acheiving success in all of our undertakings. The realization of this goal is the ability to maintain a state of deep inner peace that cannot be upset by externals. This condition is called Hetep. Realization of this knowledge is the final goal of life.

Ignorance of the knowledge of our essential state leads to the identification with our conditioned reflexes and behavioral patterns. It is the fundamental cause of all failures and evil in the world."

Thanks again brother Kemetkind.

The key for me here is that "Realization of this knowlede is the final goal in life", not the knowledge of self-realization itself.

"In the Kamitic tradition, the cause of all evil is the sleep-like state, the darkness, that we live in during the earlier part of our spiritual life-the Sahu stage. We can only escape the evil by Becoming Awake. So that we can see not as in a dream, but clearly by the light of day."

vol 2, p. 101


It was reading this section dealing with the Sixth Sphere, Heru, which promted my initial question.

It is stated also that "The same doctrine is taught in the Upanishads , the compilation of the spiritual philosophy of the Dravidians of Hindu Kush."

"The last state is the Satvic which corresponds to the balanced energy that enables the full working of the highest states of spirituality."

What I find interesting in these passages is the reference to "spiritual philosophy", not religion.

Since I have mentioned before a similarity I find in reading the metu neter with Vedic literature, I also find it interesting the statement to the effect that "The same doctrine is taught in the Upanishads."

In all the discussions that I have had with folks here such as Isaiah, Kwabena, I-khan and sisters Cursed heart and River, I have spoken concerning health concerns with an awareness that I am "out of balance" in some areas, which is why I have gone back to practicing meditation in order to "wake me up" and open blockage in my root and heart centers.

Now let me dig deeper in what I know is a concern related to concerns raised by others. Simply put, if the "source of all evil" is INTERNAL, how then is the matter of white supremacy, and EXTERNAL factor, addressed?

I have been routinely criticized for my position concerning "race", "racism" and the "white devil". If the metu neter is correct, why spend so much energy focusining on "yt"?

It seems that even if we somehow defeated white supremacy, then we still have our own INTERNAL "demons" which must be exorcised.

By the way, can you quote exactly where I stated that "I reject the book"?

You have claimed that you reject the "AUSARIAN CULT". Since Metu Neter espoused Ausarian theology, then there is nothing for you to accept, while at the same time rejecting it.

I am sure a few days ago I stated that I have read up to Volume 2, Chapter 17. That means that I am still engaged in "study".

I'm prepared to call you a LIAR.

In that same thread from "a few days ago", you blatantly claimed that you "STOPPED READING" after that point.

I don't know what it states as the source of all evil, but in chapter 7 vol II is the following:

How is Evil Established in the World:

"The Setanists are those relatively few individuals in the world who have developed their will beyond the majority of Sahu Men, but have not developed it enough to overcome the lower faculties (intellect, imagination, memory and emotions). Thus, their will is still dominated by their lower faculties, especially the intellect and animal spirit.

The higher development of their will above the Sahu Man gives them the ability to dominate the latter. They gain enough insight into the workings of the lower faculties, and the weakness created by the absence of input from the dormant higher faculties to enable them to deceive the Sahu Man, and thus gain control over him/her. As the Sahu Man makes up the majority in the world, Set is thus able to gain world dominance."

Because you are apparently jumping around, you continue to take these statements out of context.

What does volume #1 say about the intellect, being positively utillized?

You have claimed that you reject the "AUSARIAN CULT". Since Metu Neter espoused Ausarian theology, then there is nothing for you to accept, while at the same time rejecting it.



I'm prepared to call you a LIAR.

In that same thread from "a few days ago", you blatantly claimed that you "STOPPED READING" after that point.


"I'm prepared to call you a LIAR."

I really don't care about YOU or your opinions.

Yes, I reject the "AUSARIAN CULT. I can accept a message without accepting the "messengers" or the GROUP.

At one point I did stop reading, but that does not mean that I am no longer reading. As I stated before, my problem is people like YOU and how you present yourselves.

I have noticed the manner in how you suggest that I leave these threads but perhaps the forum would benefit from your own departure. I have been reading extensively many threads and notice a distinct change since your presence here began.

You CLAIM to have a foundation in Islam (:laugh: ) yet one of the first people you went after here was brother Aquil, an ELDER.

You are a THREAD KILLER....someone who asserts their personality into a discussion then killing the thread with your egoism which usually tends to assert that others do no read, or that they are too emotional or that they somehow are intellectually beneath you.

Going back in this section alone to March 2005 there is plenty of evidence to substantiate your disruption.

Perhaps it is ALLAH who you need to concern yourself with for all the lies YOU have told, while blaspheming His Prophets.
http://destee.com/forums/showthread.php?p=315854&postcount=5

"I'm prepared to call you a LIAR."

I really don't care about YOU or your opinions.

Yes, I reject the "AUSARIAN CULT. I can accept a message without accepting the "messengers" or the GROUP.

But the message is AUSARIANISM. No one is speaking about the group or the "messengers", merely the message. Do you accept this or reject it?

At one point I did stop reading, but that does not mean that I am no longer reading. As I stated before, my problem is people like YOU and how you present yourselves.

Whatever. You can't even keep up with your own statements, let alone how other present themselves.

I have noticed the manner in how you suggest that I leave these threads but perhaps the forum would benefit from your own departure. I have been reading extensively many threads and notice a distinct change since your presence here began.

You CLAIM to have a foundation in Islam (:laugh: ) yet one of the first people you went after here was brother Aquil, an ELDER.

What does this have to do with anything?

Because he is an "Elder", makes him accurate, at any and all times? This "Elder" had the nerve to say that Arabs didn't enslave Blacks.

No "Elder" of mine, would pass off such a falsehood as a fact, especially under the auspices of being and "Elder".

You are a THREAD KILLER....someone who asserts their personality into a discussion then killing the thread with your egoism which usually tends to assert that others do no read, or that they are too emotional or that they somehow are intellectually beneath you.

LMAO, I"m a "thread killer".....Nearly every thread I'm a part of, goes on for 20 plus pages.....There are a good 30 people at any given time reading what I have to say, let alone those who seek to contact me outside of this board.

In the meantime, the only threads you are a part of, are those that you dredge up from 2 years ago, just to put your "......." or " :dart: " seal of approval on.

You have offered NOTHING relevant in the past 2 months here. Here's another example:

Going back in this section alone to March 2005 there is plenty of evidence to substantiate your disruption.

Perhaps it is ALLAH who you need to concern yourself with for all the lies YOU have told, while blaspheming His Prophets.
http://destee.com/forums/showthread.php?p=315854&postcount=5

More non-sense. I would ask that you show and prove any inaccuracy that I stated in that thread......But we all know that you can never do this.

Because he is an "Elder", makes him accurate, at any and all times?
yes.

:angel1: :angel1: :angel1: :angel1: :angel1: :angel1:

:lol:

But the message is AUSARIANISM. No one is speaking about the group or the "messengers", merely the message. Do you accept this or reject it?



Whatever. You can't even keep up with your own statements, let alone how other present themselves.



What does this have to do with anything?

Because he is an "Elder", makes him accurate, at any and all times? This "Elder" had the nerve to say that Arabs didn't enslave Blacks.

No "Elder" of mine, would pass off such a falsehood as a fact, especially under the auspices of being and "Elder".



LMAO, I"m a "thread killer".....Nearly every thread I'm a part of, goes on for 20 plus pages.....There are a good 30 people at any given time reading what I have to say, let alone those who seek to contact me outside of this board.

In the meantime, the only threads you are a part of, are those that you dredge up from 2 years ago, just to put your "......." or " :dart: " seal of approval on.

You have offered NOTHING relevant in the past 2 months here. Here's another example:

Going back in this section alone to March 2005 there is plenty of evidence to substantiate your disruption.



More non-sense. I would ask that you show and prove any inaccuracy that I stated in that thread......But we all know that you can never do this.

"There are a good 30 people at any given time reading what I have to say, let alone those who seek to contact me outside of this board."

Here you are again, turning a peaceful discussion into another "Samuarai says" self-aggrandized, debate focusing on the "God" Shahiyim Muhammad.

lol!


google that...!

And your 10 (TEN) results pale in comparison to Omowalejabali! (Not to mention Omowale X)!


And if your name wasn't "Muhammad" it would be even less than that!

You are nothing more than a cartoon caricature posing as a "Samurai".

Your blade cuts nothing here but your own tongue.

"There are a good 30 people at any given time reading what I have to say, let alone those who seek to contact me outside of this board."

Here you are again, turning a peaceful discussion into another "Samuarai says" self-aggrandized, debate focusing on the "God" Shahiyim Muhammad.

lol!


google that...!

And your 10 (TEN) results pale in comparison to Omowalejabali! (Not to mention Omowale X)!


And if your name wasn't "Muhammad" it would be even less than that!

You are nothing more than a cartoon caricature posing as a "Samurai".

Your blade cuts nothing here but your own tongue.

Let me know when you have a point here. How easy it is to attack someone's name, when they can't attack their information.

And btw, please learn how to spell my name right.

Let me know when you have a point here. How easy it is to attack someone's name, when they can't attack their information.

And btw, please learn how to spell my name right.

You and your name are meaningless.

I raised some questions here that I am waiting for some specific answers to those specific questions.

"Attacking" your information or anyone else's is not my purpose or mission. You are already defeated and your divertion of the questions raised here is evidence of your defeat.

Thank you brother kemetkind.

This gives insight into how the "Usurpers" operate and attempt to undermine the established order, while attempting to exercise control and "order" over the masses.

The "Usurpers" continue in vain attempts to exercise control and "order" over those who have rejected their cultic domineering.

You and your name are meaningless.

I raised some questions here that I am waiting for some specific answers to those specific questions.

"Attacking" your information or anyone else's is not my purpose or mission. You are already defeated and your divertion of the questions raised here is evidence of your defeat.

Please explain how I am "defeated". A person is not defeated, merely because their opponent makes that claim.

What did you defeat me in regards to?

I am "defeated", coming from a person that admits:

In all the discussions that I have had with folks here such as Isaiah, Kwabena, I-khan and sisters Cursed heart and River, I have spoken concerning health concerns with an awareness that I am "out of balance" in some areas, which is why I have gone back to practicing meditation in order to "wake me up" and open blockage in my root and heart centers.

You are in no position to admonish others about anything, when you can't even conquer the initial level of development.

Further, while the people mentioned deserve the highest respect, they themselves are admittedly still in the infant stages of their own development.

So, here we have an "Elder" going to Spiritual (and even literal) youth for his development.

You can't defeat me on any level; mentally, spiritually, and defintitely not physically.

:ref: brothers this is devolving into a pissing contest.
please take it up a notch or else disengage.

:ref: brothers this is devolving into a pissing contest.
please take it up a notch or else disengage.

Done.

Thanks again brother Kemetkind.

The key for me here is that "Realization of this knowlede is the final goal in life", not the knowledge of self-realization itself.

"In the Kamitic tradition, the cause of all evil is the sleep-like state, the darkness, that we live in during the earlier part of our spiritual life-the Sahu stage. We can only escape the evil by Becoming Awake. So that we can see not as in a dream, but clearly by the light of day."

vol 2, p. 101


It was reading this section dealing with the Sixth Sphere, Heru, which promted my initial question.

It is stated also that "The same doctrine is taught in the Upanishads , the compilation of the spiritual philosophy of the Dravidians of Hindu Kush."

"The last state is the Satvic which corresponds to the balanced energy that enables the full working of the highest states of spirituality."

What I find interesting in these passages is the reference to "spiritual philosophy", not religion.

Since I have mentioned before a similarity I find in reading the metu neter with Vedic literature, I also find it interesting the statement to the effect that "The same doctrine is taught in the Upanishads."

In all the discussions that I have had with folks here such as Isaiah, Kwabena, I-khan and sisters Cursed heart and River, I have spoken concerning health concerns with an awareness that I am "out of balance" in some areas, which is why I have gone back to practicing meditation in order to "wake me up" and open blockage in my root and heart centers.

Now let me dig deeper in what I know is a concern related to concerns raised by others. Simply put, if the "source of all evil" is INTERNAL, how then is the matter of white supremacy, and EXTERNAL factor, addressed?

I have been routinely criticized for my position concerning "race", "racism" and the "white devil". If the metu neter is correct, why spend so much energy focusining on "yt"?

It seems that even if we somehow defeated white supremacy, then we still have our own INTERNAL "demons" which must be exorcised.

Back to the topic...

Please explain how I am "defeated". A person is not defeated, merely because their opponent makes that claim.

What did you defeat me in regards to?

I am "defeated", coming from a person that admits:



You are in no position to admonish others about anything, when you can't even conquer the initial level of development.

Further, while the people mentioned deserve the highest respect, they themselves are admittedly still in the infant stages of their own development.

So, here we have an "Elder" going to Spiritual (and even literal) youth for his development.

You can't defeat me on any level; mentally, spiritually, and defintitely not physically.


"So, here we have an "Elder" going to Spiritual (and even literal) youth for his development."

"GOD" is revered by many as the "Creator". He is referred by many as "Father".

It is thus the nature of a Father to seek to Guide and Direct Youth, using His Divine Power to Empower the Youth and helping them to develop their own Divine Essence and Creative Power.

As an "Elder" this also manifests in not only Teaching and Mentoring youth but also developing within Them the ability to seek their own Path of Discipleship.
This is the Intuitive Power of the "Father" which on a basic level of human experience is actualized through the process of procreating, parenting and Raising one's posterity something which I do not expect one who has not yet actualized the experience of Fatherhood.


As far as conquering the "initial stage of development" is concerned, one can develop higher faculties, in particular the facility of intuition but since we exist in the material world still be prone to illness and blockage of our chakral centers.

You are in no way capable of determing what my level of "development" is and most definitely you may obtain a clue once you experience Fatherhood and exercise the responsibility for Raising Children to be productive and proactive members of society who themselves are positive role models for their peers.

For a surety, you are in no position to "govern" anyone save yourself and for sure shall never be in a position to rule over ME.

With this said, thanks for your responses to this thread. You have demonstrated through your own actions that you do not have the potentiality to actualize the defeat of white supremacy or to Uplift the African masses and this in itself renders you as not only politically impotent but your spiritual philosphy is itself bankrupt and incessantly wimpish.

By the way, opening of one's heart center is NOT an "initial stage of development". It actually is a stage of development that Sahu man has no comprehension of so for me to even speak of this as one of the ONLY TWO areas of complication indicates I am much farther along in my own "initiation" than you think. And there is no way for you to KNOW for sure, particularly since you have yet to demonstate an ability to STOP me from raising questions.

those are the same issues that i am struggling with.

I KNOW I AM not alone.