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Accuracy of the Metu Neter Oracle?

kemetkind

10-15-2006, 08:51 PM

omowalejabali

10-15-2006, 09:12 PM

Music Producer

10-16-2006, 12:37 AM

Now you see why the last pure African bloodline of the Pharaoh, Priest and Military; of our ancient African Government of Kemet banned these types of religious practices in Kemet.

This is an absolute Historical known.

Sami_RaMaati

10-16-2006, 01:38 AM

Ra Un Nefer Amen posits The metu neter oracle as a divine resource, yet on page 369 of Metu Neter Vol. I he attempts to establish the legitimacy of the oracle by foretelling a series of events, one of which is the coming "humiliation" for europeans as a result of the 1992 project, an initiative to create a unified internal market for western europe.

Given the relative success of that project, the dominant global position of the "EURO" currency that came of it, and the planned expansion of the number of nations belonging to the european union, what does this say of the accuracy of the Metu Neter Oracle when it clearly predicted failure and humiliation?

Is there a plausible explanation for the discrepancy between the prediction and the reality?

Yes. The "reality" is not as real as it appears. I followed the pre-launch and launch of the EU from around 1990 to its official launch in '92, and stopped following it sometime in the mid 90's because I could see that these white europeans were no better at getting their act together than anyone else. Mind you, this was about 7 or 8 years before I had heard of Metu Neter, the Metu Neter oracle, or Ra Un Nefer Amen. They (members of the EU) were having all kinds of difficulties getting their stuff together due to the very issues highlighted by the Metu Neter oracle (tribalism leading to inability to meaningfully unify, poor planning, inability to put the correct structure in place), and are still having significant problems to this day.

Following are some excerpts from publications in Europe, Asia and the US highlighting current problems the EU continues to experience.

From the Max Planck Institute

http://www.mpg.de/english/illustrationsDocumentation/multimedia/mpResearch/2005/heft04/4_05MPR_14_18.pdf (need adobe acrobat reader to access)

http://72.14.203.104/search?q=cache:mZsn2XD_vtcJ:www.mpg.de/english/illustrationsDocumentation/multimedia/mpResearch/2005/heft04/4_05MPR_14_18.pdf+european+union+discord&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=25 (same article in HTML format, but doesn't look as neat as in pdf format)

Excerpts from the Max Planck Institute article are as follows (spring 2005):

"The European Union's plans are in shambles: all hopes for a swift ratification of the treaty establishing a constitution for Europe were dashed when the populations of Holland and France handed down a "no" vote in their national referenda in May and June. And just a few days later, heads of state government were unable to agree on a financial budget for the years 2007 to 2013. Armin Schaefer believes that the causes of this European crisis lie in the inadequacies of the EU political system, which impede deeper integration..."

"...The European Union fosters the schizophrenic tendencies of government representatives: the new aims announced and the resolute action demanded at the EU level one day are promptly ignored the very next morning when it suits their purpose. It was the intention of the EU states to jointly become the most competitive economic area worldwide – yet so far they are the world champions at nothing more than making announcements..."

"...The inadequacies of the EU political system lend themselves to crises of legitimization that endanger the progress of integration. The EU in its present form was ill prepared for expansion and unable to manage deeper integration. Unfortunately, the convention that negotiated the treaty establishing the constitution did not come up with a convincing answer to this problem..."

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From Duetsche Welle, a German Publication, there is a discussion in the second part of the article about infighting among EU members over intra-european union protectionism:

http://www.dw-world.de/dw/article/0,2144,1943019,00.html

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From the Tapei Times we have this:

EU faces discord over constitution

"The EU faces months of divisive wrangling over its first ever constitution after EU leaders starkly failed this weekend to hide their differences on key issues -- crucially centred on who holds the bloc's reins of power."

The full article can be read here:

http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/world/archives/2003/10/06/2003070627

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From The Atlantic Online we have this introductory excerpt (to access the full article you must be a subscriber, but I think you can get the gist of what they're saying here):

http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/prem/200506u/fb2005-06-10

Union Blues

Double votes of "no" on the European Union constitution last week in France and the Netherlands, followed by a suspended referendum in Britain, have thrown the EU into a crisis. Many analysts are blaming poor economic conditions for the votes against the EU, suggesting that French voters are punishing their incumbents for high unemployment by rejecting the constitution. Others suggest that voters are speaking out against an EU directed primarily by politicians without input from the people. Many Dutch voters, for example, were angry that their government accepted the euro and approved many new EU members without putting the questions to the electorate. Over the past several years, The Atlantic has published a number of articles dealing with these very tensions and exploring the reasons the European Union might fail, or succeed.

Can anyone personally vouch for the accuracy or divinity of this oracle?
Yes I can. A few examples are as follows:

I had a reading done last year about my sister who had recently passed away. The priestess who interpreted my reading told me about a conversation that my sister and I had just two weeks before she passed away. How could she have known what we talked about in a hospital room with only the two of us present?

In the February of 2003, we (AAS) were preparing for our annual retreat in Virginia. This was the 30th anniversary, so there was a 2 or 3 day major celebration to be held in New York city during the weekend of August 15-17, after which time we all were to get on buses and ride down to Virginia for the rest of the week. Several traditional West Afrikan spiritual leaders (Akan, etc) were scheduled to join us for the celebration in New York. We made deposits on food and lodging in Feb or March, some 5 or 6 months prior to the event. A number of spiritual readings using the Metu Neter oracle were done to gauge the success of the weekend in New York. The readings showed that something ugly was going to happen that weekend, so the celebration was cancelled, the Afrikan leaders were contacted and told not to come, and all deposit monies were returned in full. Do you remember what was going on in New York the weekend of Aug 15-17, 2003? How could the oracle have known that something funky was going to jump off at that location at that time, 5 months in advance?

A relative of mine, who is as Sahu and hedonistic as they come, had a Metu Neter oracle reading done this past spring and was so amazed that the priest who did the reading knew so many details about her based on the reading that she was on the phone that same day telling her friends. I saw the reading, and yeah, it was dead on the money.

jamesfrmphilly

10-16-2006, 09:05 AM

i have been disappointed with the metu neter oracle and the I ching as well.
in philly they mostly use the I ching.

i just do the meditations.

Moorfius

10-16-2006, 01:14 PM

Hotep

Think about it...if the enemy wishes to distroy "Us"...(And they most definately do)...why wouldn't they seek to corrupt our ancesteral sacrit writings by any means nessasary while we were (Sleep) in slavery? There are "Original" sacrit writings found in the "Elite" europians homes...in private collections and in their "museums" ware (You) are not allowed to see or touch any of them. They have been collecting what is rightfuly ours for thousands of years while we were keep ignorant and only now begining to "Wake Up" to find ourselves "Mis-Guided" to find for our selves to put the puzzle back together with out a real clue of what to do about all of the "Missing" peices of the puzzle of our lost "Spirituality" and knowledge of who we really are as "Humans".

There are exceptions..."But" most are also struggeling to also find their correct way to the "Path" of restoreation of what is "Real" and not "Corrupted". But "Think"...if we are ever going to learn the pure and un-tampered with by the corrupting europians...then we must find a way to get ourself "Initiated" into one of the so-called "Mystery - Systems" that is only authinticly tought in the Holy so-called African Bush. For those who are learned...we know that the "Dogon" are the same "Prist" class that lived during the time of Antiquity during the time of our "Most" ancient ancestors. Every socalled African through out Africa knows this to be true except "We" who have forgotten every thing we use to "Know". If we are going to ever learn to know what is Medu Neteru...then we must take advantage of learning how to Read, Write, Speak it as our "Divine" African (Kemetic) ancestors did...don't you think??
Unfortunatly we think today that we can pick and choose like we are use to doing when it comes to the euro-Church (with its over 666 different denominations to choose from) that they gave us during our sleep and ignorance...this is a grave error for those who find it not easy to let go of this line of thinking. Remember: "The Truth Fits Like A Glove"...it is your Nature! You don't have to or will ever be ask to do that thing that is un-natural to the human when it comes to the Truth. Seek out a Master of the Craft if you think you are "Ready"...http://www.theearthcenter.com/

Ase`

emanuel goodman

10-16-2006, 01:48 PM

SAMURAI36

10-17-2006, 09:11 AM

Sami_RaMaati

10-17-2006, 10:55 AM

Metu Neter (the book) was written in 1994. Thus, the contextual reference is dated, and written post facto.
Actually, Samurai, it's volume 2 that was published in 1994. Vol 1, in which the prediction was made, was published in 1990, 2 years before the EU got off the ground. Thus the prediction (along with the indicators-difficulties due to lack of unity [from tribalism], poor planning, etc) is what made me sit up and take notice when I first read the book in '99. As I indicated before, I followed development of the EU for several years, so I already knew the extent of european tribalism that has so far made it such a bumpy road for them.
Further, it is a myth, that these practices were banned, especially when they were furthered posthumous, by the "one true king of Kemet".

The Bible (both testaments) speaks of casting lots throughout the entire history of the Biblical world.

If such a practice was banned, why did every single Priest of Hebraic law, from Moses to Jesus, and even Paul, continue to endorse and condone it?

This is true. The oracle they used was the Urim and Thummim, defined as "A method for inquiring of the God of Israel that was kept part of the priestly garments..."

"...the Urim and Thummim was only used for questions of grave importance, usually connected to the function of the state, such as whether and when to go to war, though there is one passage in Numbers that hints at the possibility it was used for more mundane questions, such as resolving difficult legal questions."

The full text of this article describing the oracle used in the Old Testament can be found at http://www.pantheon.org/articles/u/urim_and_thummim.html

Many times, the oracle has been validated in my own personal life. Further, each time I have sought to go against the warnings I have received, the results have proven disastrous.I have seen the very same thing happen for others in my immediate sphere as well.
The family member (a niece) I referred to above has been having a difficult time due to not following the counsel given, namely to 1) slow down, get a life plan together & get herself organized and focused; 2) stop spending money like there's no tomorrow-her nearly $100K inheritance is almost gone after a little more than a year, and she has nothing to show for it). I constantly point out to her things that relate to the reading she received and show her how this is playing out in her life in real time.

Incidentally, several weeks ago I used the I Ching & Metu Neter oracles to gain insight into a potentially problematic situation at work. The I Ching counsel indicated that someone was trying to undermine the credibility of one of the other employees. The Metu Neter counsel indicated that I was to remain upbeat, as one of the Sheps had my back. My actions were scrutinized by the risk management department since I was 'captain of the ship' so to speak. As it turned out, we had a meeting and reviewed some documents in which we learned that yes, a vicious and unfounded accusation had been leveled at one of the employees who had been following my orders, and which had the potential of causing serious legal difficulties if it were true. Needless to say, it was helpful to have that kind of insight going into the meeting. Both of us came away unscathed.

SAMURAI36

10-17-2006, 11:28 AM

Actually, Samurai, it's volume 2 that was published in 1994. Vol 1, in which the prediction was made, was published in 1990, 2 years before the EU got off the ground. Thus the prediction (along with the indicators-difficulties due to lack of unity [from tribalism], poor planning, etc) is what made me sit up and take notice when I first read the book in '99. As I indicated before, I followed development of the EU for several years, so I already knew the extent of european tribalism that has so far made it such a bumpy road for them.

You're absolutely correct, Brother, I stand corrected. I did have Volume #2 in mind when I stated that.

This is true. The oracle they used was the Urim and Thummim, defined as "A method for inquiring of the God of Israel that was kept part of the priestly garments..."

"...the Urim and Thummim was only used for questions of grave importance, usually connected to the function of the state, such as whether and when to go to war, though there is one passage in Numbers that hints at the possibility it was used for more mundane questions, such as resolving difficult legal questions."

The full text of this article describing the oracle used in the Old Testament can be found at http://www.pantheon.org/articles/u/urim_and_thummim.html

True indeed, and even further info:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urim_and_Thummim#Device_or_process

Device or process
Because the words Urim and Thummim are plural and in most cases do not connote an object, the device or process could be referred to as Urim and Thummim rather than "the" Urim and Thummim (Hebrew: האורים והתמים, Standard haʾUrim vəhaTummim Tiberian hāʾÛrîm wəhatTummîm; Arabic: الاوريم والتميم al-Ūrīm waʾaṯ-Ṯummīm).

According to the teachings of Judaism, a small parchment with God's holy name, the Tetragrammaton, inscribed on it was slipped into an opening under the Urim and Thummim on the high priest's breast plate, which caused the breastplate to "glow" and thereby "transmit messages" from God to the Children of Israel.

Some scholars have suggested "the" Urim and Thummim consists of two crystals; however, the precise nature of the medium is unknown to most secular scholars. According to the Hebrew Bible, stones used for "an" Urim and Thummim were kept in the breastplate of Aaron, the brother of Moses. (In Mormonism, Joseph Smith, Jr.'s Urim and Thummim consisted of "two transparent stones set in the rim of a [silver] bow fastened to a breast plate" (History of the Church 4:537).

More recent scholars have pointed to the plural nature of the words to argue that there wasn't "a" certain device, but rather Urim and Thummim was the process or procedure priests used in the casting of lots and some sort of stones or jewels would be the medium. Others have pointed out that the words "Urim and Thummim," in the Hebrew, begin with the first letter (aleph, א) and the final letter (tav, ת) of the Hebrew alphabet, respectively, and have suggested that the device contained these and perhaps other letters of the Hebrew alphabet, which were used as lots to determine the response of the oracle.

There is some evidence that Urim and Thummim were/was used as a lot that provided "yes" or "no" answers, depending upon whether the Urim or the Thummim came into play, as manipulated by a Hebrew oracle. There is also evidence that the medium was used as an ordeal to establish a person's guilt or innocence.

The Septuagint text and the Masoretic text differ in the area of I Samuel 14:41. MT separates a casting of lots with using the UT, and the LXX appears to treat both as the same. Note the clear differences in these translations,

"Then Saul said, 'O Lord, God of Israel, why have you not answered your servant this day? If the guilt is in me or in Jonathan my son, O Lord, God of Israel, give Urim; and if you indicate that it is in the people of Israel, give Thummim.' And Jonathan and Saul were taken, but the people escaped." I Sam14:41 (LXX)

"And he said to all Israel, 'You will be to one side, and I and my son Jonathan will be to one side." And the people answered Saul, "Do what is good in your eyes.' And Saul said to the Lord God of Israel, "Give a perfect lot," whereupon Jonathan and Saul were taken, and the people escaped. And Saul said, "Cast lots between me and Jonathan my son;" and Jonathan was taken." 1 Samuel 14:40-42 (MT)

It is stated in the Scriptures (concerning this account), that God did not answer Saul by the UT that day (verse 37), so Saul resorted to the casting of lots instead. The casting of lots (see Leviticus 16:8) should always be viewed as distinct from the function of the UT. While the use of lots can only give a yes or no answer, we find one instance when the UT was consulted where a whole conversation took place.

The family member (a niece) I referred to above has been having a difficult time due to not following the counsel given, namely to 1) slow down, get a life plan together & get herself organized and focused; 2) stop spending money like there's no tomorrow-her nearly $100K inheritance is almost gone after a little more than a year, and she has nothing to show for it). I constantly point out to her things that relate to the reading she received and show her how this is playing out in her life in real time.

Incidentally, several weeks ago I used the I Ching & Metu Neter oracles to gain insight into a potentially problematic situation at work. The I Ching counsel indicated that someone was trying to undermine the credibility of one of the other employees. The Metu Neter counsel indicated that I was to remain upbeat, as one of the Sheps had my back. My actions were scrutinized by the risk management department since I was 'captain of the ship' so to speak. As it turned out, we had a meeting and reviewed some documents in which we learned that yes, a vicious and unfounded accusation had been leveled at one of the employees who had been following my orders, and which had the potential of causing serious legal difficulties if it were true. Needless to say, it was helpful to have that kind of insight going into the meeting. Both of us came away unscathed.

A very insightful story.

Here's a couple of mine:

There was this Sister here, who was expecting child, and asked the Sheqhet to act as Mid-Wife......After doing a reading, the Sheqhet instructed the sister that it might be in the best interest of her and her unborn child to have the child at a conventional hospital..

The Sister was upset at the notion (we all know how we feel about the White man's hospitals)....And decided to hire someone else to serve as Mid-Wife...

Lo and behold, the sister not only lost the child, but because of so many complications, she also nearly lost her life........And, in the end, ended up losing all ability to have children.

This might have been circumvented, had she been at a hospital where the proper staff and resources been available to her, as the Sheqhet and the Oracle had instructed her.

Regarding myself, I have always sought the counsel of the ORACLE for only 2 reasons:

*My personal (Love) life

*My endeavors of relocation

For both these consultations, the response from the Oracle (no matter who is doing the Divination for me) is always the same:

AUSAR-HOTEP and TEHUTI-HOTEP.

For so long (YEARS), I have attempted to forego these readings, and "make a go at it" on my own.

The results of this have been repeatedly disastrous, and it is actually only recently that I have been striving to heed the wise counsel that I have and do receive.

HOTEPU

Music Producer

10-18-2006, 10:32 AM

Deu 18:
20: But the prophet, which shall presume to speak a word in my name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or that shall speak in the name of other gods, even that prophet shall die.
21: And if thou say in thine heart, How shall we know the word which the LORD hath not spoken?
22: When a prophet speaketh in the name of the LORD, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which the LORD hath not spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: thou shalt not be afraid of him.

kemetkind

10-19-2006, 11:10 PM

cursed heart

10-20-2006, 08:39 AM

I have only had a reading by one.
She seemed boggled.
I was unsure of what she told me to be true because I didn't know how it would apply to my life.
The only thing that stuck in my head from her reading was you'll know who your real friends are when you are down on your luck.
I read in the meter neter that women shouldn't recieve reading when they are menustrating so maybe that was why.
Sorry if tmi.
We talked alot but I talked more than she did.
Basicly about the dreams I have.
It was kind of like a counsel.

omowalejabali

10-30-2006, 02:22 PM

Sami_RaMaati

11-07-2006, 02:08 AM

My initial inclination was to post a series of references painting a rosy picture of the EU and the Euro in response to Sami's post about the supposed failure of the Euro project...there are surely plenty of them.

But Samurai's contention that history isn't fully written on this yet, as well as the personal affirmations offered with regards to the oracle suffice for my purposes on this topic.
I'm not saying that as of today the EU project has been a complete failure, but in the mid 90's I would have called it just that based on what I knew of it up to that point. I stopped paying attention when in the mid to late 90's the citizens of the UK refused to adopt the Euro as their currency. Also, the energies (i.e., deities) which govern particular events can & do change over time (which would affect the outcome of the readings), so it's not surprising that they're in better shape today.

I too was initially skeptical of this system, so its not like I dived in headlong without asking critical questions of my own. My advice for anyone would be to see how the readings play out over time.
I was interested to know whether any of the adherents who post here "live" the truth that they know.
Yes. That is something I work very hard at. It ain't easy, but true spiritual growth was never meant to be. In the AAS we have a saying that "in order to know truth you have to live it." That's what seperates those of us who take it seriously from your typical hypocritical bible thumper who talks a good game but indulges in all kinds of immoral and criminal behavior that contradicts what they preach. Truth is not something you can assimilate into your day to day behavior merely by praying, reading holy books, and listening to sermons.

Sami_RaMaati

11-07-2006, 02:21 AM

Quote:

"I was interested to know whether any of the adherents who post here "live" the truth that they know."

The "Truth" is obvious.

It must really be upsetting to have your lies and distortions about the contents of Metu Neter exposed and challenged. :cry:

omowalejabali

11-07-2006, 05:21 AM

It must really be upsetting to have your lies and distortions about the contents of Metu Neter exposed and challenged. :cry:
You must be kidding.:laugh:

Sami_RaMaati

11-07-2006, 08:03 AM

You must be kidding.:laugh:
Yep, it's upsetting alright. :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

omowalejabali

11-07-2006, 08:15 AM

Yep, it's upsetting alright. :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

Upsetting?!

Not even because the only thing that has been exposed is the RUNA is a FRAUD.

As much time as some of you spend following up behind me it seems that yes, it is upsetting to YOU.

Sami_RaMaati

11-07-2006, 12:00 PM

Upsetting?!

Not even because the only thing that has been exposed is the RUNA is a FRAUD.

Oh please!! :lol: This gets more bizarre by the minute. :lol:

You've exposed no such thing, Omo. All you've done is post your usual pack of lies, distortions, mudslinging, vague insinuations, childish rants, gossip and links that don't support your position, and called it "exposing RUNA as a fraud." Despite being challenged to do so, you have yet to quote directly from his writings and show how when used as directed people have not been able to improve themselves, their lives, and to raise better children, and improve relations with their families, communities, etc., and you never will. What you will do is continue to lie, distort, sling mud, create more goofy, slanderous threads, and then make vacuous proclamations that your lies, distortions, slander and mudslinging constitutes proof that something has been "exposed."

So here's an in your face challenge to you Omo: Pick up your copy of Metu Neter (either volume) and show how this system, when used as directed, doesn't enable people to improve themselves, their lives, and to raise better children, and improve relations with their families, communities, etc. Do this without posting your usual lies, distortions, insinuations, mudslinging, and side trips down the road of egyptological trivia, i.e., no mumbo jumbo about the heliopolitan recension, etc., or rants about the Amen priesthood, etc. Simply show and prove using what appears in print within the pages of the book.

Your dishonest and childish behavior on these boards also makes it clear that you do not follow the spirituality of the Dogon as you claim. (If anything, you behave more like a white racist on a mission to discredit black people who are in the process of cleansing their minds of european cultural garbage). An acquaintance of mine is a Dogon elder (in his late 60's) and, while he has criticized the Sahu religions (Islam, Christianity and Hebrewism), he does it from the perspective of challenging the underlying assumptions upon which these religions are based using real Dogon spirituality as his foundation. What he does not do is pose questions to followers of those religions based on false premises. Nor does he lie, distort, and sling mud, then declare those religions to be invalid or fraudulent because the adherents of those religions point out the flaws inherent in the criticism. And, unlike you, he NEVER attacks other black people who are trying to find their way out of this western cultural mess and re-Afrikanize themselves. He HELPS them.

As much time as some of you spend following up behind me it seems that yes, it is upsetting to YOU.
Very little of my time is spent following up behind you, so stop lying. I posed this question before, and I'll pose it again: Can you and your tag team buddy MP score any points in these debates without the falsehoods? You just can't stand the fact that you are not being allowed sit there sling mud without being challenged. It shows when you start barking at people who are not "Metu Neter followers" when they too challenge your lies, distortions, and mudslinging.

MenNefer

12-30-2006, 04:32 PM

Amnat77

12-30-2006, 05:54 PM

Yes. The "reality" is not as real as it appears. I followed the pre-launch and launch of the EU from around 1990 to its official launch in '92, and stopped following it sometime in the mid 90's because I could see that these white europeans were no better at getting their act together than anyone else. Mind you, this was about 7 or 8 years before I had heard of Metu Neter, the Metu Neter oracle, or Ra Un Nefer Amen. They (members of the EU) were having all kinds of difficulties getting their stuff together due to the very issues highlighted by the Metu Neter oracle (tribalism leading to inability to meaningfully unify, poor planning, inability to put the correct structure in place), and are still having significant problems to this day.

Following are some excerpts from publications in Europe, Asia and the US highlighting current problems the EU continues to experience.

From the Max Planck Institute

http://www.mpg.de/english/illustrationsDocumentation/multimedia/mpResearch/2005/heft04/4_05MPR_14_18.pdf (need adobe acrobat reader to access)

http://72.14.203.104/search?q=cache:mZsn2XD_vtcJ:www.mpg.de/english/illustrationsDocumentation/multimedia/mpResearch/2005/heft04/4_05MPR_14_18.pdf+european+union+discord&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=25 (same article in HTML format, but doesn't look as neat as in pdf format)

Excerpts from the Max Planck Institute article are as follows (spring 2005):

"The European Union's plans are in shambles: all hopes for a swift ratification of the treaty establishing a constitution for Europe were dashed when the populations of Holland and France handed down a "no" vote in their national referenda in May and June. And just a few days later, heads of state government were unable to agree on a financial budget for the years 2007 to 2013. Armin Schaefer believes that the causes of this European crisis lie in the inadequacies of the EU political system, which impede deeper integration..."

"...The European Union fosters the schizophrenic tendencies of government representatives: the new aims announced and the resolute action demanded at the EU level one day are promptly ignored the very next morning when it suits their purpose. It was the intention of the EU states to jointly become the most competitive economic area worldwide – yet so far they are the world champions at nothing more than making announcements..."

"...The inadequacies of the EU political system lend themselves to crises of legitimization that endanger the progress of integration. The EU in its present form was ill prepared for expansion and unable to manage deeper integration. Unfortunately, the convention that negotiated the treaty establishing the constitution did not come up with a convincing answer to this problem..."

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From Duetsche Welle, a German Publication, there is a discussion in the second part of the article about infighting among EU members over intra-european union protectionism:

http://www.dw-world.de/dw/article/0,2144,1943019,00.html

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From the Tapei Times we have this:

EU faces discord over constitution

"The EU faces months of divisive wrangling over its first ever constitution after EU leaders starkly failed this weekend to hide their differences on key issues -- crucially centred on who holds the bloc's reins of power."

The full article can be read here:

http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/world/archives/2003/10/06/2003070627

************************************************** *88
From The Atlantic Online we have this introductory excerpt (to access the full article you must be a subscriber, but I think you can get the gist of what they're saying here):

http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/prem/200506u/fb2005-06-10

Union Blues

Double votes of "no" on the European Union constitution last week in France and the Netherlands, followed by a suspended referendum in Britain, have thrown the EU into a crisis. Many analysts are blaming poor economic conditions for the votes against the EU, suggesting that French voters are punishing their incumbents for high unemployment by rejecting the constitution. Others suggest that voters are speaking out against an EU directed primarily by politicians without input from the people. Many Dutch voters, for example, were angry that their government accepted the euro and approved many new EU members without putting the questions to the electorate. Over the past several years, The Atlantic has published a number of articles dealing with these very tensions and exploring the reasons the European Union might fail, or succeed.

Yes I can. A few examples are as follows:

I had a reading done last year about my sister who had recently passed away. The priestess who interpreted my reading told me about a conversation that my sister and I had just two weeks before she passed away. How could she have known what we talked about in a hospital room with only the two of us present?

In the February of 2003, we (AAS) were preparing for our annual retreat in Virginia. This was the 30th anniversary, so there was a 2 or 3 day major celebration to be held in New York city during the weekend of August 15-17, after which time we all were to get on buses and ride down to Virginia for the rest of the week. Several traditional West Afrikan spiritual leaders (Akan, etc) were scheduled to join us for the celebration in New York. We made deposits on food and lodging in Feb or March, some 5 or 6 months prior to the event. A number of spiritual readings using the Metu Neter oracle were done to gauge the success of the weekend in New York. The readings showed that something ugly was going to happen that weekend, so the celebration was cancelled, the Afrikan leaders were contacted and told not to come, and all deposit monies were returned in full. Do you remember what was going on in New York the weekend of Aug 15-17, 2003? How could the oracle have known that something funky was going to jump off at that location at that time, 5 months in advance?

A relative of mine, who is as Sahu and hedonistic as they come, had a Metu Neter oracle reading done this past spring and was so amazed that the priest who did the reading knew so many details about her based on the reading that she was on the phone that same day telling her friends. I saw the reading, and yeah, it was dead on the money.

I currently live in Europe, ( London) although the British economy is strong; there has been a mass migration of people from the EU to England, because of poor economic and political strife in their respective countries....This sudden influx of people is draining England's resources and it's social programs... The NHS (british health care system) is almost bankrupt..nurses..doctors are loosing jobs, pay cuts is rampant; it has actually gotten to the point were Nurses and Doctors are leaving England for America and the carribbean......

There is talk in the british paliment, about restricting imigration from the EU...now this thier own people we are talking about so you know Africans have no chance...

I don't know if my point is significant to the matter being discussed....i just want to share my experience, and what i have seen so far in Europe...

kemetkind

01-01-2007, 11:50 AM

I currently live in Europe, ( London) although the British economy is strong; there has been a mass migration of people from the EU to England, because of poor economic and political strife in their respective countries....This sudden influx of people is draining England's resources and it's social programs... The NHS (british health care system) is almost bankrupt..nurses..doctors are loosing jobs, pay cuts is rampant; it has actually gotten to the point were Nurses and Doctors are leaving England for America and the carribbean......

There is talk in the british paliment, about restricting imigration from the EU...now this thier own people we are talking about so you Africans have no chance...

I don't know if my point is significant to the matter being discussed....i just want to share my experience, and what i have seen so far in Europe...

Amnat77 I do see your point as germaine to the thread; first-hand or primary observation is usually preferrable to all others.

Even though I initially intepreted RUNA's Euro prophecies as problematic, I think the explanations given by Sami_Ramaati, Samurai and MenNefer pretty much cleared it up (for me at least).

Regardless, the ultimate goal of my original post was to query whether proponents actually utilized the oracle referenced in the Metu Neter.

I have read RUNA's texts and have undertaken (limited) attempts at mystical experience, but I have not delved into the oracle, feeling I need further preparation/study before diving in.

Sami_RaMaati

01-01-2007, 01:27 PM

I currently live in Europe, ( London) although the British economy is strong; there has been a mass migration of people from the EU to England, because of poor economic and political strife in their respective countries....This sudden influx of people is draining England's resources and it's social programs... The NHS (british health care system) is almost bankrupt..nurses..doctors are loosing jobs, pay cuts is rampant; it has actually gotten to the point were Nurses and Doctors are leaving England for America and the carribbean......

There is talk in the british paliment, about restricting imigration from the EU...now this thier own people we are talking about so you Africans have no chance...

I don't know if my point is significant to the matter being discussed....i just want to share my experience, and what i have seen so far in Europe...

Your comment is very relevant to the thread. It always helps to see things from an insider's point of view. Thanks for your input.

Can you say which of the EU countries these people are coming from?

Is there any predominant racial make-up of the immigrants to the UK?

Sami_RaMaati

01-01-2007, 01:37 PM

Amnat77 I do see your point as germaine to the thread; first-hand or primary observation is usually preferrable to all others.

Even though I initially intepreted RUNA's Euro prophecies as problematic, I think the explanations given by Sami_Ramaati, Samurai and MenNefer pretty much cleared it up (for me at least).

Regardless, the ultimate goal of my original post was to query whether proponents actually utilized the oracle referenced in the Metu Neter.

I have read RUNA's texts and have undertaken (limited) attempts at mystical experience, but I have not delved into the oracle, feeling I need further preparation/study before diving in.

Habari Gana! Hetepu! Happy New Year! (And all that good stuff).

FYI: I plan to get back to the Metu Neter discussion threads you initiated in the coming weeks. The past couple of months have been extremely busy for me, but there is light at the end of the tunnel.

Amnat77

01-01-2007, 02:24 PM

Your comment is very relevant to the thread. It always helps to see things from an insider's point of view. Thanks for your input.

Can you say which of the EU countries these people are coming from?

Is there any predominant racial make-up of the immigrants to the UK?

Kosovo, Poland, Ukraine...mostly Eastern European countries...so White, it virtualy impossible for Africans to come to the UK.

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