Metu Neter Followers:

It can be shown that Akhenaten was the elected and bloodline official Pharaoh of Egypt. It can also be shown that the true bloodline of the official office to the Priest Tribe was re-established by Akhenaten as the Yahud.
Thus we have an officially elected Pharaoh and the Office of the Priesthood banning the practice of Polytheism.

On what authority do you continue the practice of a religion that was band by our highest authoritative offices of Kemet?

(Music Producer) - It can be shown that Akhenaten was the elected and bloodline official Pharaoh of Egypt. It can also be shown that the true bloodline of the official office to the Priest Tribe was re-established by Akhenaten as the Yahud.
Thus we have an officially elected Pharaoh and the Office of the Priesthood banning the practice of Polytheism.

a) polytheism is a meaningless european term. there is not one mystery god, thus there is not two or three mystery gods. 0 + 0 + 0 = 0.

european monotheism/polytheism are all really forms of atheism. suggesting that "god" is some mysterious reserved being that is completely absent from everyday life. thus there is no trace of god anywhere. thus really there isn't a god. as far as we know, something happened to the judeo-christian god while he was hiding out, and this is why he has not returned or made himself known in a while. so let's not worry this monotheist/polytheist terminology that really is a form of atheism.

b) even if we accept your theory regarding the bloodline, what does that have to do with the doctrine and understanding of akhenaten?
by your own reckoning, the priesthood of amun had become corrupt. there is no evidence that it had been infiltrated by "thugs" but that it simply had become rich, powerful and was exercising authority on it's own.

thus, you disagree with the actions of those of the priestly bloodline; so whole your whole argument that akhenaten is infalliable by his bloodline is suspect; as you feel the priests of amun (also a bloodline) became corrupted before akhenaten.

the metu neter teaches of an understanding before any corruptions were introduced. thus the metu neter is not affected by later dishevelment that you speak of. your words suggest that you search for a man to follow; the metu provides a path for self learning and realization.

how do any of your historical theories actually undermine the teachings and practices within the metu neter? how do you claim to disagree with the metu neter; other than this "eurocentric" view of monotheism and polytheism?

(Music Producer) - It can be shown that Akhenaten was the elected and bloodline official Pharaoh of Egypt. It can also be shown that the true bloodline of the official office to the Priest Tribe was re-established by Akhenaten as the Yahud.
Thus we have an officially elected Pharaoh and the Office of the Priesthood banning the practice of Polytheism.

a) polytheism is a meaningless european term. there is not one mystery god, thus there is not two or three mystery gods. 0 + 0 + 0 = 0.

european monotheism/polytheism are all really forms of atheism. suggesting that "god" is some mysterious reserved being that is completely absent from everyday life. thus there is no trace of god anywhere. thus really there isn't a god. as far as we know, something happened to the judeo-christian god while he was hiding out, and this is why he has not returned or made himself known in a while. so let's not worry this monotheist/polytheist terminology that really is a form of atheism.

b) even if we accept your theory regarding the bloodline, what does that have to do with the doctrine and understanding of akhenaten?
by your own reckoning, the priesthood of amun had become corrupt. there is no evidence that it had been infiltrated by "thugs" but that it simply had become rich, powerful and was exercising authority on it's own.

thus, you disagree with the actions of those of the priestly bloodline; so whole your whole argument that akhenaten is infalliable by his bloodline is suspect; as you feel the priests of amun (also a bloodline) became corrupted before akhenaten.

the metu neter teaches of an understanding before any corruptions were introduced. thus the metu neter is not affected by later dishevelment that you speak of. your words suggest that you search for a man to follow; the metu provides a path for self learning and realization.

how do any of your historical theories actually undermine the teachings and practices within the metu neter? how do you claim to disagree with the metu neter; other than this "eurocentric" view of monotheism and polytheism?

Please stop entertaining this continuous goading, Brother. This individual has nothing better to do. :yawn:

Besides, everything you have said here (I agree totally), I had already explained:

http://destee.com/forums/showpost.php?p=446898&postcount=6

I am as dismayed as you are, at how so-called Black people feel so free to use European terms to malign their very own people, and then have the audacity to admonish others for "proprogating white supremacy".

That deserves nothing more than a hardy chuckle :lol:

But certainly not any further attention beyond that.


PEACE

OK, I will rephrase the question……

On what authority do you continue the practice of a religion that was band by our highest authoritative offices of Kemet?

On what authority do you continue the practice of a religion that was band by our highest authoritative offices of Kemet?


This is why I try to stay out of your quibblings and bogus postings...cause in my opinion, which you have been manifesting into a fact, you should get a job with planters peanuts. ,,,OH, and for the record; "Ankhnaten Was A Sellout" !!...once again, do your research son.

OK, I will rephrase the question……

On what authority do you continue the practice of a religion that was band by our highest authoritative offices of Kemet?


Bro...why are you being so dense? You have a tyrannical dictator Akhenaten assume power in Kemet, abolish all the sanctities of other neterw, and then create his own priesthood and claim it is over everything else. You turn around and call this established priesthood "authoritative" in Kemet, when this dictator of antiquity had to break the Laws of the Black Land to assume the position? Your argument and stance is circular at best. Give it up.

Oh yeah, I'll give you the "42 Negative Confessions" or "42 Divine Principles of Maat". Your idol, Akhenaten violated with extreme impudence consistently at least numbers 7, 10, 13, 15, 19, 23, 25, 27, 28, 35, 36, 38 and 41 of these principles of Maat (where Maat represented divine justice)...


I have not done iniquity.
I have not robbed with violence.
I have not stolen.
I have done no murder; I have done no harm.
I have not defrauded offerings.
I have not diminished obligations.
I have not plundered the neteru.
I have not spoken lies.
I have not uttered evil words.
I have not caused pain.
I have not committed fornication.
I have not caused shedding of tears.
I have not dealt deceitfully.
I have not transgressed.
I have not acted guilefully.
I have not laid waste the ploughed land.
I have not been an eavesdropper.
I have not set my lips in motion (against any man).
I have not been angry and wrathful except for a just cause.
I have not defiled the wife of any man.
I have not been a man of anger.
I have not polluted myself.
I have not caused terror.
I have not burned with rage.
I have not stopped my ears against the words of Right and Truth. (Ma-at)
I have not worked grief.
I have not acted with insolence.
I have not stirred up strife.
I have not judged hastily.
I have not sought for distinctions.
I have not multiplied words exceedingly.
I have not done neither harm nor ill.
I have not cursed the King. (i.e. violation of laws)
I have not fouled the water.
I have not spoken scornfully.
I have never cursed the neteru.
I have not stolen.
I have not defrauded the offerings of the neteru.
I have not plundered the offerings of the blessed dead.
I have not filched the food of the infant.
I have not sinned against the neter of my native town.
I have not slaughtered with evil intent the cattle of the neter.


Is it still any wonder Akhenaten was forced into exile? The Pharaoh is supposed to be the Highest Priest, and he deliberately contravened the Laws of the Black Land. Bruh, get a clue.

Well, I guess this is another one of those questions you all have no answer for.

No matter what you call Akhenaten and no matter how much you try to demean his character, if you are truly practicing ATR then you RESPECT it to the highest offices of Kemet.

Due to the fact that it can CLEARLY be shown that African Tribes today, one called the Masai are the descendants of the military and police tribes of ancient Kemet and several other African tribes in the area of Kenya and Tanzania also have an Oral History of being run out of Egypt, we began to see a pattern.

Thus far we have…….
The official bloodline and elected Office of the Pharaoh; Akhenaten.
The official bloodline and elected Office of the Priest, Yahud.
The official bloodline and elected Office of the Military and Police, Masai.


Now the question becomes,
who was the people that chased the African tribes of Akhetaten out of Egypt?

who was the people that chased the African Police and Military tribes of Akhetaten out of Egypt?

who was the people that chased the African Priest tribes of Akhetaten out of Egypt?

who was the people that chased the African Pharaohs bloodline of Akhetaten out of Egypt?

who was the people that chased the African citizen population of Akhetaten out of Egypt?

Who ever those people were that destroyed Akhetaten of Kemet, you are now following their religion.

I suspect you are the one following the religion of the foreigners of Kemet, because only a foreigner or foreign hired merchants, mercenaries or some one with total disregard for the authority of the Kemetians Governmental Offices would challenge its position.

So I will ask you one more time…………

By what ancient Egyptian authority are you practicing a religion that was band by the Highest Office of our ancestral Kemet Kingdom of Africa?

Metu Neter Followers:

It can be shown that Akhenaten was the elected and bloodline official Pharaoh of Egypt. It can also be shown that the true bloodline of the official office to the Priest Tribe was re-established by Akhenaten as the Yahud.
Thus we have an officially elected Pharaoh and the Office of the Priesthood banning the practice of Polytheism.

On what authority do you continue the practice of a religion that was band by our highest authoritative offices of Kemet?


dear brother your understanding of the word god gut lawd lord adonai yahwew eloheem allah huhi etc is what is your root of the problem. all of the titles i have given u above is the product of very poor understanding of our right wisdom right knowlegde system based upon cosmonology by arabs,jews or gews, karastians very poor belief system. u see brother at that time the level of understanding was poor by what was known as hyskows or caucasian, jebusties,hitites,horites tamu hu etc.

They could not overstand that something does not have to seen to exist. The neteru do not to equate to any belief system my brohter they all exist water=nu ra= the original person being born through sound in water positive and negative pull of electromagnetism om the universal vibration every thing vibrates on om. lo even the mother earth is alive and vibrates all facts undenialbe postively un questionable facts.

again i have no quarms with any one's religion . I am not religious at all so i have no disregard or affection for them.

I do not care that anketon wanted to worship aten or the completed amun re amun ra aten-re. or the three that become one or vise versa, for it is not any different from one atom,adam,atum all denote beginnig of creation spilitting one atom into 3 pieces proton, neutron, electron.which can also become the father the son the holy spirit. Three attributes of one individua



Please stop looking at nature as an equation to your belief system my brother. With her all u have to do is look feel etc. YOu will never fully overstand how much of a disrespect to mother neter u are playing when u are comparing her to belief system based upon the imagine nation of man.

dear brother your understanding of the word god gut lawd lord adonai yahwew eloheem allah huhi etc is what is your root of the problem. all of the titles i have given u above is the product of very poor understanding of our right wisdom right knowlegde system based upon cosmonology by arabs,jews or gews, karastians very poor belief system. u see brother at that time the level of understanding was poor by what was known as hyskows or caucasian, jebusties,hitites,horites tamu hu etc.

They could not overstand that something does not have to seen to exist. The neteru do not to equate to any belief system my brohter they all exist water=nu ra= the original person being born through sound in water positive and negative pull of electromagnetism om the universal vibration every thing vibrates on om. lo even the mother earth is alive and vibrates all facts undenialbe postively un questionable facts.

again i have no quarms with any one's religion . I am not religious at all so i have no disregard or affection for them.

I do not care that anketon wanted to worship aten or the completed amun re amun ra aten-re. or the three that become one or vise versa, for it is not any different from one atom,adam,atum all denote beginnig of creation spilitting one atom into 3 pieces proton, neutron, electron.which can also become the father the son the holy spirit. Three attributes of one individua



Please stop looking at nature as an equation to your belief system my brother. With her all u have to do is look feel etc. YOu will never fully overstand how much of a disrespect to mother neter u are playing when u are comparing her to belief system based upon the imagine nation of man.
brother emanuel, i agree especially with the last part of your statement. isnt that a large part of the problem where so many of us have been conditioned to be-LIVE that we were made in the Imagination=Image+nation of GOD so that we identify as 'kemet', 'ethiopia', israel', 'india', 'america', 'arabia' each one be-LIVING in the Image+Nation they each profess. whether it be "black land' or 'red land' or 'al-KHEBu-land' or 'yourubaland' this has been the way for centuries. Nation+religion=nation-al-isms-schism each be-LIV-ing one is the right Path and Truth.

My question is where does this all begin and who started it ALL and who is going to finish it and bring ALL things to End of Times.

Well, I guess this is another one of those questions you all have no answer for.

No matter what you call Akhenaten and no matter how much you try to demean his character, if you are truly practicing ATR then you RESPECT it to the highest offices of Kemet.

Due to the fact that it can CLEARLY be shown that African Tribes today, one called the Masai are the descendants of the military and police tribes of ancient Kemet and several other African tribes in the area of Kenya and Tanzania also have an Oral History of being run out of Egypt, we began to see a pattern.

Thus far we have…….
The official bloodline and elected Office of the Pharaoh; Akhenaten.
The official bloodline and elected Office of the Priest, Yahud.
The official bloodline and elected Office of the Military and Police, Masai.


Now the question becomes,
who was the people that chased the African tribes of Akhetaten out of Egypt?

who was the people that chased the African Police and Military tribes of Akhetaten out of Egypt?

who was the people that chased the African Priest tribes of Akhetaten out of Egypt?

who was the people that chased the African Pharaohs bloodline of Akhetaten out of Egypt?

who was the people that chased the African citizen population of Akhetaten out of Egypt?

Who ever those people were that destroyed Akhetaten of Kemet, you are now following their religion.

I suspect you are the one following the religion of the foreigners of Kemet, because only a foreigner or foreign hired merchants, mercenaries or some one with total disregard for the authority of the Kemetians Governmental Offices would challenge its position.

So I will ask you one more time…………

By what ancient Egyptian authority are you practicing a religion that was band by the Highest Office of our ancestral Kemet Kingdom of Africa?

Metu Neter Followers:

It can be shown that Akhenaten was the elected and bloodline official Pharaoh of Egypt. It can also be shown that the true bloodline of the official office to the Priest Tribe was re-established by Akhenaten as the Yahud.
Thus we have an officially elected Pharaoh and the Office of the Priesthood banning the practice of Polytheism.

On what authority do you continue the practice of a religion that was band by our highest authoritative offices of Kemet?
What religion are you referring to?

Concerning Akhenaten, from “Black Man of the Nile and His Family" Dr. ben-Jochannon states on page 354:

“Along with Aten, he also worshipped Re, Horus, and the MENEVIS BULL”

Do you agree with Dr Yosef ben-Jochannon that Akhenaten worshipped not one but FOUR gods, and was thus polytheistic himself?

So I will ask you one more time…………

By what ancient Egyptian authority are you practicing a religion that was band by the Highest Office of our ancestral Kemet Kingdom of Africa?

You still haven't addressed my first post to this that Akhenaten had to violate several laws of the land to make his impositions, therefore, his mandates were illegitimate. This is why the succeeding Pharaoh after the Amarna period, Horemheb, had an edict to erase Akhenaten from Kemet's memory. To be honest, I don't really expect a real answer from you...as usual.

You still haven't addressed my first post to this that Akhenaten had to violate several laws of the land to make his impositions, therefore, his mandates were illegitimate. This is why the succeeding Pharaoh after the Amarna period, Horemheb, had an edict to erase Akhenaten from Kemet's memory. To be honest, I don't really expect a real answer from you...as usual.
Akhenaten as The Bloodline of the Pharaoh IS THE LAW, period.

his mandates were illegitimate

It can be shown that the Office of the true Priesthood Bloodline was with Akhenaten in the new capital Akhetaten.
It can be shown that the Office of the true Military and Police was with Akhenaten in the new capital Akhetaten.
It can be shown that several tribes of Africa was the population of Akhetaten in the new capital Akhetaten.
It can be shown that the Office of the true Pharaoh Bloodline all the way from the same bloodline that defeated the Hyksos, Ahmose I was legitimately in the Office in the new capital of Kemet, Akhetaten.

With all of these governmental offices in place and in full function for more then 12 years, by what or whose ancient official authority do you say………..

his mandates were illegitimate

?


This is why the succeeding Pharaoh after the Amarna period, Horemheb, had an edict to erase Akhenaten from Kemet's memory.

Due to the fact that Tutankhaten had no offspring’s, as we know of, how was Horemheb connected to the holy bloodline that could be traced all the way to the defeat of the Hyksos?

Did you even know that Horemheb’s parents are unknown?

You tell me what kind of original Egyptian would not know who their parents were?

Due to this information I began to suspect Horemheb was a foreigner or not of any tribes that made up the demographics of Kemet. Horemheb was simply a bagman that the thug Amun Priesthood and their hired mercenaries put before the people and made him Pharaoh.


To be honest, I don't really expect a real answer from you...as usual.

To be Honest………….

What religion are you referring to?

Concerning Akhenaten, from “Black Man of the Nile and His Family" Dr. ben-Jochannon states on page 354:

“Along with Aten, he also worshipped Re, Horus, and the MENEVIS BULL”

Do you agree with Dr Yosef ben-Jochannon that Akhenaten worshipped not one but FOUR gods, and was thus polytheistic himself?
Akhenaten was raised as an Egyptian thus, yes, in his earlier years of life before he encountered GOD, just like Moses, he worshiped and perceived religion / spirituality as an Egyptian before he encountered GOD.

Just like Nebuchadnezzar was an idolater, murderer and one who invented his own gods until he encountered GOD. After Nebuchadnezzar encountered GOD, this was some of his last words………

Dan:4:37: Now I Nebuchadnezzar praise and extol and honour the King of heaven, all whose works are truth, and his ways judgment: and those that walk in pride he is able to abase.

By what ancient Egyptian authority are you practicing a religion / spirituality that was band by the Highest Offices of our ancestral Kemet Kingdom of Africa?

Akhenaten as The Bloodline of the Pharaoh IS THE LAW, period.

It can be shown that the Office of the true Priesthood Bloodline was with Akhenaten in the new capital Akhetaten.
It can be shown that the Office of the true Military and Police was with Akhenaten in the new capital Akhetaten.
It can be shown that several tribes of Africa was the population of Akhetaten in the new capital Akhetaten.
It can be shown that the Office of the true Pharaoh Bloodline all the way from the same bloodline that defeated the Hyksos, Ahmose I was legitimately in the Office in the new capital of Kemet, Akhetaten.

With all of these governmental offices in place and in full function for more then 12 years, by what or whose ancient official authority do you say………..

his mandates were illegitimate

?


Due to the fact that Tutankhaten had no offspring’s, as we know of, how was Horemheb connected to the holy bloodline that could be traced all the way to the defeat of the Hyksos?

Did you even know that Horemheb’s parents are unknown?

You tell me what kind of original Egyptian would not know who their parents were?

Due to this information I began to suspect Horemheb was a foreigner or not of any tribes that made up the demographics of Kemet. Horemheb was simply a bagman that the thug Amun Priesthood and their hired mercenaries put before the people and made him Pharaoh.


To be Honest………….


Horemheb had no legitimate "bloodline" or claim to the Crown.

He was a usurper.

Horemheb's mandates were totally illegitimate.

Akhenaten was raised as an Egyptian thus, yes, in his earlier years of life before he encountered GOD, just like Moses, he worshiped and perceived religion / spirituality as an Egyptian before he encountered GOD.

Just like Nebuchadnezzar was an idolater, murderer and one who invented his own gods until he encountered GOD. After Nebuchadnezzar encountered GOD, this was some of his last words………

Sorry Playa, but that evasive answer just ain't cuttin' it. Dr ben-Jochannon clearly states that ALONG WITH Aten Akhenaten was worshipping three other gods--Re, Horus, and the MENEVIS BULL. He didn't say BEFORE Akhenaten found ATEN he used to worship Re, Horus, and the MENEVIS BULL. He's saying that Akhenaten worshipped the following: 1) Aten, 2) Re, 3) Horus, AND 4) the Menevis Bull SIMULTANEOUSLY.

Now, I ask you again: do you agree with Dr Yosef ben-Jochannon who stated that Akhenated worshipped Re, Horus, and the MENEVIS BULL at the same time he worshipped Aten, yes or no?

And I also ask you again: What religion are you referring to that was banned and that you claim Metu Neter followers are practicing?

Furthermore, your question falsely and fraudulently implies that "authority" from an "ancient Egyptian source" is needed by those whom you refer to as Metu Neter followers in order to use the information in the book to improve their lives, raise better children, improve relations with their friends and families, and positively impact their communities through meditation, ritual, and the use of oracles.

Ra Un Nefer Amen clearly states on page 2, in plain english for all to see, that the info in Metu Neter vol 1 is a practical syncretism of the best religious practices of the three ancient Black civilizations of Kamit (ancient Egypt), the Dravidians (Black Indians of Indus Kush), and the Canaanites, the true authors of Kabala.

That said, 1) what is the basis of your claim that an "ancient Egyptian authority" is needed in order to engage in these practices, and 2) how does engaging in these practices without such "authority" negatively impact the lives of people whom you call Metu Neter followers, their children, their families and friends, and their communities?

I see you're still deeply troubled by the fact that not all black people subscribe to the Queen James perVersion of the bible.

By what authority of which Afrikan ancestors do you continue to take your spiritual lead from the caucrazy queer Pervert Queen James' and his translation of the Old Testament that came, not from Afrika, but straight out of Merry Olde England? Aren't you the least bit concerned that maybe, just maybe, the old girly man (http://www.edwardtbabinski.us/history/king_james_gay.html) didn't quite get things right in his interpretation? Why not study your scriptures in the original ancient Hebrew so you can see what was said BEFORE Queen James got a hold of it?

By what ancient Egyptian authority are you practicing a religion / spirituality that was band by the Highest Offices of our ancestral Kemet Kingdom of Africa?

This is so stupid.

This is so stupid.

You're just realizing this????

My Brother, please don't continue to fatten frogs for snakes.

By what ancient Egyptian authority are you practicing a religion / spirituality that was band by the Highest Offices of our ancestral Kemet Kingdom of Africa?

Sorry Playa, but that evasive answer just ain't cuttin' it. Dr ben-Jochannon clearly states that ALONG WITH Aten Akhenaten was worshipping three other gods--Re, Horus, and the MENEVIS BULL. He didn't say BEFORE Akhenaten found ATEN he used to worship Re, Horus, and the MENEVIS BULL. He's saying that Akhenaten worshipped the following: 1) Aten, 2) Re, 3) Horus, AND 4) the Menevis Bull SIMULTANEOUSLY.

Now, I ask you again: do you agree with Dr Yosef ben-Jochannon who stated that Akhenated worshipped Re, Horus, and the MENEVIS BULL at the same time he worshipped Aten, yes or no?

And I also ask you again: What religion are you referring to that was banned and that you claim Metu Neter followers are practicing?

Furthermore, your question falsely and fraudulently implies that "authority" from an "ancient Egyptian source" is needed by those whom you refer to as Metu Neter followers in order to use the information in the book to improve their lives, raise better children, improve relations with their friends and families, and positively impact their communities through meditation, ritual, and the use of oracles.

Ra Un Nefer Amen clearly states on page 2, in plain english for all to see, that the info in Metu Neter vol 1 is a practical syncretism of the best religious practices of the three ancient Black civilizations of Kamit (ancient Egypt), the Dravidians (Black Indians of Indus Kush), and the Canaanites, the true authors of Kabala.

That said, 1) what is the basis of your claim that an "ancient Egyptian authority" is needed in order to engage in these practices, and 2) how does engaging in these practices without such "authority" negatively impact the lives of people whom you call Metu Neter followers, their children, their families and friends, and their communities?

I see you're still deeply troubled by the fact that not all black people subscribe to the Queen James perVersion of the bible.

By what authority of which Afrikan ancestors do you continue to take your spiritual lead from the caucrazy queer Pervert Queen James' and his translation of the Old Testament that came, not from Afrika, but straight out of Merry Olde England? Aren't you the least bit concerned that maybe, just maybe, the old girly man (http://www.edwardtbabinski.us/histor...james_gay.html) didn't quite get things right in his interpretation? Why not study your scriptures in the original ancient Hebrew so you can see what was said BEFORE Queen James got a hold of it?

WHAT'S THE MATTER? CAT GOT YOUR TONGUE????

Sorry Playa, but that evasive answer just ain't cuttin' it. Dr ben-Jochannon clearly states that ALONG WITH Aten Akhenaten was worshipping three other gods--Re, Horus, and the MENEVIS BULL. He didn't say BEFORE Akhenaten found ATEN he used to worship Re, Horus, and the MENEVIS BULL. He's saying that Akhenaten worshipped the following: 1) Aten, 2) Re, 3) Horus, AND 4) the Menevis Bull SIMULTANEOUSLY.

Now, I ask you again: do you agree with Dr Yosef ben-Jochannon who stated that Akhenated worshipped Re, Horus, and the MENEVIS BULL at the same time he worshipped Aten, yes or no?

And I also ask you again: What religion are you referring to that was banned and that you claim Metu Neter followers are practicing?

Furthermore, your question falsely and fraudulently implies that "authority" from an "ancient Egyptian source" is needed by those whom you refer to as Metu Neter followers in order to use the information in the book to improve their lives, raise better children, improve relations with their friends and families, and positively impact their communities through meditation, ritual, and the use of oracles.

Ra Un Nefer Amen clearly states on page 2, in plain english for all to see, that the info in Metu Neter vol 1 is a practical syncretism of the best religious practices of the three ancient Black civilizations of Kamit (ancient Egypt), the Dravidians (Black Indians of Indus Kush), and the Canaanites, the true authors of Kabala.

That said, 1) what is the basis of your claim that an "ancient Egyptian authority" is needed in order to engage in these practices, and 2) how does engaging in these practices without such "authority" negatively impact the lives of people whom you call Metu Neter followers, their children, their families and friends, and their communities?

I see you're still deeply troubled by the fact that not all black people subscribe to the Queen James perVersion of the bible.

By what authority of which Afrikan ancestors do you continue to take your spiritual lead from the caucrazy queer Pervert Queen James' and his translation of the Old Testament that came, not from Afrika, but straight out of Merry Olde England? Aren't you the least bit concerned that maybe, just maybe, the old girly man (http://www.edwardtbabinski.us/histor...james_gay.html) didn't quite get things right in his interpretation? Why not study your scriptures in the original ancient Hebrew so you can see what was said BEFORE Queen James got a hold of it?

WHAT'S THE MATTER? CAT GOT YOUR TONGUE????
it is little known known knowledge that ankenton was a hermanprodite and he was following the lead of his father whom felt that the general population was getting to caught up in the worship of lesser gods. He continues to give praise to osir and hours and the neteru. he just felt that praise should be given to aton as the complete manifestation of all things. the priest of amen felt that he was trying to steer away the mass from amen so they battle began. His father amenophis was the orginator of the thought process of aton. you are very correct in your statments about mr james, he was also a cripple and had very low self esteem. He wanted to leave a legacy and wanted to make up for his physcial misfortunes. He commisioned william shakespeare the wholly bi bill the hole according to bill. bill is short for william. to do so. thus king james version. he was killed for his translation it must be noted. However once one begins to overstand the orgin and base one understands that this was a battle over egos between ankenton and the amen priest whom did not want to loose thier prestige. All of the neteru are just anamorphic into human form for better overstanding by the mass. I must repeat the neteru and religion(the caucasian interpretation) should not be discussed on the same platform. Beliefs donot share the same weight as facts.

On what ancient Egyptian authority are you practicing a religion / spirituality that was band by the Highest Offices of our ancestral Kemet Kingdom of Africa?

On what ancient Egyptian authority are you practicing a religion / spirituality that was band by the Highest Offices of our ancestral Kemet Kingdom of Africa?
And I also ask you yet again: What religion are you referring to that was banned and that you claim Metu Neter followers are practicing?

Further, to restate an issue that you continue to dodge, Dr ben-Jochannon clearly states that ALONG WITH Aten Akhenaten was worshipping three other gods--Re, Horus, and the MENEVIS BULL. He didn't say BEFORE Akhenaten found ATEN he used to worship Re, Horus, and the MENEVIS BULL. He's saying that Akhenaten worshipped the following: 1) Aten, 2) Re, 3) Horus, AND 4) the Menevis Bull SIMULTANEOUSLY.

Now, I ask you for the 3rd time: do you agree with Dr Yosef ben-Jochannon who stated that Akhenaten worshipped Re, Horus, and the MENEVIS BULL at the same time he worshipped Aten, yes or no?

Furthermore, your question falsely and fraudulently implies that "authority" from an "ancient Egyptian source" is needed by those whom you refer to as Metu Neter followers in order to use the information in the book to improve their lives, raise better children, improve relations with their friends and families, and positively impact their communities through meditation, ritual, and the use of oracles.

Ra Un Nefer Amen clearly states on page 2, in plain english for all to see, that the info in Metu Neter vol 1 is a practical syncretism of the best religious practices of the three ancient Black civilizations of Kamit (ancient Egypt), the Dravidians (Black Indians of Indus Kush), and the Canaanites, the true authors of Kabala.

That said, 1) what is the basis of your claim that an "ancient Egyptian authority" is needed in order to engage in these practices, and 2) how does engaging in these practices without such "authority" negatively impact the lives of people whom you call Metu Neter followers, their children, their families and friends, and their communities?

I see you're still deeply troubled by the fact that not all black people subscribe to the Queen James perVersion of the bible.

By what authority of which Afrikan ancestors do you continue to take your spiritual lead from the caucrazy queer Pervert Queen James' and his translation of the Old Testament that came, not from Afrika, but straight out of Merry Olde England? Aren't you the least bit concerned that maybe, just maybe, the old girly man (http://www.edwardtbabinski.us/histor...james_gay.html) didn't quite get things right in his interpretation? Why not study your scriptures in the original ancient Hebrew so you can see what was said BEFORE Queen James got a hold of it?

WHAT'S THE MATTER? CAT GOT YOUR TONGUE????

And I also ask you yet again: What religion are you referring to that was banned and that you claim Metu Neter followers are practicing?

The question is as such “religion / spirituality”. Thus why would you choose the phrase “religion” over the phrase ”spirituality” when you have the freedom within the question to choose your own phrase?


Further, to restate an issue that you continue to dodge, Dr ben-Jochannon clearly states that ALONG WITH Aten Akhenaten was worshipping three other gods--Re, Horus, and the MENEVIS BULL. He didn't say BEFORE Akhenaten found ATEN he used to worship Re, Horus, and the MENEVIS BULL. He's saying that Akhenaten worshipped the following: 1) Aten, 2) Re, 3) Horus, AND 4) the Menevis Bull SIMULTANEOUSLY.

This understanding is not reflected in the Holy Scriptures or Old Testament, which is the pinnacle of Akhenaten’s final enlargement of GOD.



Now, I ask you for the 3rd time: do you agree with Dr Yosef ben-Jochannon who stated that Akhenaten worshipped Re, Horus, and the MENEVIS BULL at the same time he worshipped Aten, yes or no?

http://destee.com/forums/showpost.php?p=447880&postcount=14


Furthermore, your question falsely and fraudulently implies that "authority" from an "ancient Egyptian source" is needed by those whom you refer to as Metu Neter followers in order to use the information in the book to improve their lives, raise better children, improve relations with their friends and families, and positively impact their communities through meditation, ritual, and the use of oracles.

The long-term effect of building spirituality based on lies and rejection of ancestral authority is destruction and no different from what the white man did with Jesus.
Eventually Truth prevails.


Ra Un Nefer Amen clearly states on page 2, in plain english for all to see, that the info in Metu Neter vol 1 is a practical syncretism of the best religious practices of the three ancient Black civilizations of Kamit (ancient Egypt), the Dravidians (Black Indians of Indus Kush), and the Canaanites, the true authors of Kabala.

Please define the meaning of this word scambal, “practical syncretism of the best religious practices”..
Furthermore didn’t you just try to make an argument against my using the word or phrase ”religion”? Now you show where Ra Un Nefer Amen himself is using the exact same phrase to describe the “info in the Metu Neter”.
:uhh:

This is so stupid.
yes, it is. i've never seen so many irrelevant posts in all my born days.

On what ancient Egyptian authority are you practicing a religion / spirituality that was band by the Highest Offices of our ancestral Kemet Kingdom of Africa?

Please stay on the subject around this question.

yes, it is. i've never seen so many irrelevant posts in all my born days.

Precisely. I can't believe people are still arguing with him. We here, who are intelligent beyond our years, make ourselves look stupid by continuing to argue with him.

Stop fattening frogs for snakes.

HOTEPU

The question is as such “religion / spirituality”. Thus why would you choose the phrase “religion” over the phrase ”spirituality” when you have the freedom within the question to choose your own phrase?


This understanding is not reflected in the Holy Scriptures or Old Testament, which is the pinnacle of Akhenaten’s final enlargement of GOD.



http://destee.com/forums/showpost.php?p=447880&postcount=14


The long-term effect of building spirituality based on lies and rejection of ancestral authority is destruction and no different from what the white man did with Jesus.
Eventually Truth prevails.


Please define the meaning of this word scambal, “practical syncretism of the best religious practices”..
Furthermore didn’t you just try to make an argument against my using the word or phrase ”religion”? Now you show where Ra Un Nefer Amen himself is using the exact same phrase to describe the “info in the Metu Neter”.
:uhh:


"practical syncretism of the best religious practices" omitting the Sumerian Enuma Elish from which much was stolen and plagarized under the guise of Baal/El worship. This indeed is scam artistry and a sham "religion".

Sounds like a modern day form of honoring Molech where the "king of kings" is venerated as "god".
http://www.themystica.com/mythical-folk/articles/molech.html

omowalejabali


"practical syncretism of the best religious practices" omitting the Sumerian Enuma Elish from which much was stolen and plagarized under the guise of Baal/El worship. This indeed is scam artistry and a sham "religion".
This is not a call to 'debate' on any subject but I honestly need to know more about this plagarization 'under the guise of Baal/El worship' from the Sumerians and how it pertains to whatever re-ligion that is the topic of this thread (ie i did not read all the posts yet)

Sounds like a modern day form of honoring Molech where the "king of kings" is venerated as "god".
http://www.themystica.com/mythical-folk/articles/molech.html
According to that link Solomon raised things in the honor of 'Molech',200 boys sacrificed,etc but how accurate/reliable is it according to your data or the data you and others that may be hear have read.

omowalejabali



This is not a call to 'debate' on any subject but I honestly need to know more about this plagarization 'under the guise of Baal/El worship' from the Sumerians and how it pertains to whatever re-ligion that is the topic of this thread (ie i did not read all the posts yet)


According to that link Solomon raised things in the honor of 'Molech',200 boys sacrificed,etc but how accurate/reliable is it according to your data or the data you and others that may be hear have read.

brother I-khan,

I suggest a thorough reading of The Ancient near East, Volumes I and II, edited by James B. Pritchard, copyright 1958.

I am now also suggesting reading Ahmed Osman's numerous books and Genesis Revisited by Zecharia Sitchin.

Due to the nature of debate within these forums the past few weeks I have reached the conclusion that the meter neter is a reactionary, afrocentric scam to create a spiritual system money-making device to counter white theosophy even though it's based on many of the same teachings as white theosophists, kabbalists, zen masters and qi gong 'spiritualists" only it poses itself in 'blackface'.

I now longer shall give this 'kemetic spirituality' any recognition nor shall i any more refer to ancient Egypt by the name "kemit" whatever form it takes.

The books I referred are quite extensive beginning with The Memphite Theology of Creation and then going into the Sumerian account of the Deluge. These texts make it very clear that the Bible was compiled based on Egyptian, Sumerian and Akkadian mythology and folktales up to the hittite and ugarithic period when they entered into Egyptian religious texts.

You have at your disposal the internet where you can research for yourself the origins of canaanite "religion" and it's development which included the worship of Baal/Molech. I suspected as much and if this is indeed one of three systems which are "syncretized" and part of metu neter, I shall be discarding the remaining volume I have and throwing it into the fire. I will give no more detail than I already have openly and I thank Amma for revealing to me the guise in which the open enemies have revealed themselves.

As far as the account of Solomon, I have no way of proving or disproving what has been recorded by the Ancients.


Peace...

omowalejabali



This is not a call to 'debate' on any subject but I honestly need to know more about this plagarization 'under the guise of Baal/El worship' from the Sumerians and how it pertains to whatever re-ligion that is the topic of this thread (ie i did not read all the posts yet)


According to that link Solomon raised things in the honor of 'Molech',200 boys sacrificed,etc but how accurate/reliable is it according to your data or the data you and others that may be hear have read.
brother I-khan,

Google Search: Origin of Canaanite Religion.

Take notice of the search results. The Truth is self-evident. Is this truly a "Black" religious sytem? and it so, what does that say for the "hebrew" and the Biblical "Apocalypse", among others.

brother I-khan,

Google Search: Origin of Canaanite Religion.

Take notice of the search results. The Truth is self-evident. Is this truly a "Black" religious sytem? and it so, what does that say for the "hebrew" and the Biblical "Apocalypse", among others.


Speaking of "toads and vipers" this is what I see going on:
http://www.samliquidation.com/ael-ian_2.htm

If folks in their own words admit openly they are not growing spiritually, what does that say about their spiritual power. It is more a self-realization that they have been exposed and rendered ineffective because what is hidden has been made clear.

(omowalejabali) - Google Search: Origin of Canaanite Religion.

Take notice of the search results. The Truth is self-evident. Is this truly a "Black" religious sytem? and it so, what does that say for the "hebrew" and the Biblical "Apocalypse", among others.

which result am i looking for? i see "phoenician" and that is about all.
according to diop, the canaanites were black, and the phoenicians were originally black.
are you saying the canaanites or phoenicians were originally other than black?

(omowalejabali) - Google Search: Origin of Canaanite Religion.

Take notice of the search results. The Truth is self-evident. Is this truly a "Black" religious sytem? and it so, what does that say for the "hebrew" and the Biblical "Apocalypse", among others.

which result am i looking for? i see "phoenician" and that is about all.
according to diop, the canaanites were black, and the phoenicians were originally black.
are you saying the canaanites or phoenicians were originally other than black?

When I search "Origin of Canaanite Religion" I get about 131,000 results. If you have read my last several posts in this thread it is obvious what I am saying or inferring and I am done repeating myself to people who read part of what I post and then disect parts without looking at the whole.

If the metu neter "syncretizes" three black religious systems and this includes the Canannites but does not recognize the Sumerian then I view this as a false and fraudulent system since the Sumerian predates the Canaanite, and the Canaanite cannot be seperated from the "Hebrew" or Baal Worship.

It is not important to me if the Canaanites or Phoenicians were black, white, green or yellow. I personally shall no longer reference a "religious system" which has syncretized or incorporated any aspects of the reptilian agenda of Molech worship.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moloch

(omowalejabali) - I am now also suggesting reading Ahmed Osman's numerous books and Genesis Revisited by Zecharia Sitchin.

i have three sitchin books "in my possession" however i've never read nor trusted sitchin as he seems to portray the sumerians as caucasian, ethnically identical to the akkadians and babylonians...etc.
it's my understanding that this is incorrect, that sumer was african, and the akkadians and babylonians were asiatic invaders that inherited partially a black culture.
i personally remain skeptical of these theories of an extraterrestrial origin, primarily because what's the point? all it buys you is time (advanced aliens boosting human development). aliens aren't magical so even with their intervention it does not alter the relationship between creator, god and man. evolution vs alien intervention only buys you time.
personally, i think we could scientifically prove that alien intervention is impossible; if we tried hard enough.
that aside, i know of an earth center initiate who accepts the notion of alien intervention.
medu neter & ra un nefer amen are not the same as the earth center & master naba.
i don't deny the existence of aliens, of course they exist. i simply do not know of evidence of alien intervention.

(omowalejabali) - even though it's based on many of the same teachings as white theosophists, kabbalists, zen masters and qi gong 'spiritualists" only it poses itself in 'blackface'.

the main problem with theosophists (who are largely kabbalists) is that they typically look for a non-african perspective to understanding the teachings they study. thus their ideas are basically judiasm² or christianity². the problem ofcourse is that judiasm == christianity == 0.

the metu neter takes the correct approach in terms using an "african" perspective to understand these teachings. ra un nefer amen's perspective is always to use the ideas of the yoruba or the akan...etc as a basis for understanding practices within kemet...etc.

thus, it remains my position that anyone that wishes to bypass the metu neter is perfectly fine in doing so, as long as they use the correct formula which is to use other african traditional religions as the basis for understanding.

(omowalejabali) - I now longer shall give this 'kemetic spirituality' any recognition nor shall i any more refer to ancient Egypt by the name "kemit" whatever form it takes.

i have actually found a reference to "kemet" in one of the vignettes in the pert em heru. kemet is a completely valid name and usage. "egypt" is not. it's my understanding that egypt is basically an arab state with some indigenous african citizens that don't identify with that arab identity.

(omowalejabali) - I now longer shall give this 'kemetic The books I referred are quite extensive beginning with The Memphite Theology of Creation and then going into the Sumerian account of the Deluge. These texts make it very clear that the Bible was compiled based on Egyptian, Sumerian and Akkadian mythology and folktales up to the hittite and ugarithic period when they entered into Egyptian religious texts.

the akkadians were not black, but invaders. there is some question already in incorporating or understanding sumerian ideas from an akkadian viewpoint, imho.

(omowalejabali) - If the metu neter "syncretizes" three black religious systems and this includes the Canannites but does not recognize the Sumerian then I view this as a false and fraudulent system since the Sumerian predates the Canaanite, and the Canaanite cannot be seperated from the "Hebrew" or Baal Worship.

how much is known about the sumerians? why should sumer be elevated to the status of kemet?
diop suggest a strong shared lineage between canaanites/phoenicians and kemet.

(omowalejabali) - I personally shall no longer reference a "religious system" which has syncretized or incorporated any aspects of the reptilian agenda of Molech worship.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moloch

there is no mention of any molech worship in the metu neter. this is not a part of some reptillian agenda. look over your own documents that you've linked. worshipping molech or some light being as god is almost completely incompatible with the metu neter or any african traditional religion in general.

it's only compatible with the european concept of a mystery god; otherwise who would worship a being as god?

i'm beginning to understand your concerns better, and they are demonstrably false. don't burn the metu neter vol 2 just yet as it will be important.

(omowalejabali) - I am now also suggesting reading Ahmed Osman's numerous books and Genesis Revisited by Zecharia Sitchin.

i have three sitchin books "in my possession" however i've never read nor trusted sitchin as he seems to portray the sumerians as caucasian, ethnically identical to the akkadians and babylonians...etc.
it's my understanding that this is incorrect, that sumer was african, and the akkadians and babylonians were asiatic invaders that inherited partially a black culture.
i personally remain skeptical of these theories of an extraterrestrial origin, primarily because what's the point? all it buys you is time (advanced aliens boosting human development). aliens aren't magical so even with their intervention it does not alter the relationship between creator, god and man. evolution vs alien intervention only buys you time.
personally, i think we could scientifically prove that alien intervention is impossible; if we tried hard enough.
that aside, i know of an earth center initiate who accepts the notion of alien intervention.
medu neter & ra un nefer amen are not the same as the earth center & master naba.
i don't deny the existence of aliens, of course they exist. i simply do not know of evidence of alien intervention.

(omowalejabali) - even though it's based on many of the same teachings as white theosophists, kabbalists, zen masters and qi gong 'spiritualists" only it poses itself in 'blackface'.

the main problem with theosophists (who are largely kabbalists) is that they typically look for a non-african perspective to understanding the teachings they study. thus their ideas are basically judiasm² or christianity². the problem ofcourse is that judiasm == christianity == 0.

the metu neter takes the correct approach in terms using an "african" perspective to understand these teachings. ra un nefer amen's perspective is always to use the ideas of the yoruba or the akan...etc as a basis for understanding practices within kemet...etc.

thus, it remains my position that anyone that wishes to bypass the metu neter is perfectly fine in doing so, as long as they use the correct formula which is to use other african traditional religions as the basis for understanding.

(omowalejabali) - I now longer shall give this 'kemetic spirituality' any recognition nor shall i any more refer to ancient Egypt by the name "kemit" whatever form it takes.

i have actually found a reference to "kemet" in one of the vignettes in the pert em heru. kemet is a completely valid name and usage. "egypt" is not. it's my understanding that egypt is basically an arab state with some indigenous african citizens that don't identify with that arab identity.

(omowalejabali) - I now longer shall give this 'kemetic The books I referred are quite extensive beginning with The Memphite Theology of Creation and then going into the Sumerian account of the Deluge. These texts make it very clear that the Bible was compiled based on Egyptian, Sumerian and Akkadian mythology and folktales up to the hittite and ugarithic period when they entered into Egyptian religious texts.

the akkadians were not black, but invaders. there is some question already in incorporating or understanding sumerian ideas from an akkadian viewpoint, imho.


I created a forum and asked the question what is the origin of the word kemet. If you have found a reference to this word that DESCRIBES THE PEOPLE AS SUCH I would appreciate you posting the exact reference and then I would re-consider my position.

You are free to your opinion and I will respect that. However, nothing you have stated so far alters my position concerning the metu neter and the 'three religious sytems" on which it is based.

as far as osman and sitchen are concerned I hear you and agree but I still suggest reading the material because no other african writers are touching upon this material and correcting their errors.

I still do not view the canaanite as being any 'blacker' than the Sumerian and that is my individual perspective. The canaanite and the phoenician derive from the sumerian which actually has a chronology older than the so-called 'kemetic'.

brother I-khan,

I suggest a thorough reading of The Ancient near East, Volumes I and II, edited by James B. Pritchard, copyright 1958.

I am now also suggesting reading Ahmed Osman's numerous books and Genesis Revisited by Zecharia Sitchin.

Due to the nature of debate within these forums the past few weeks I have reached the conclusion that the meter neter is a reactionary, afrocentric scam to create a spiritual system money-making device to counter white theosophy even though it's based on many of the same teachings as white theosophists, kabbalists, zen masters and qi gong 'spiritualists" only it poses itself in 'blackface'.

I now longer shall give this 'kemetic spirituality' any recognition nor shall i any more refer to ancient Egypt by the name "kemit" whatever form it takes.

The books I referred are quite extensive beginning with The Memphite Theology of Creation and then going into the Sumerian account of the Deluge. These texts make it very clear that the Bible was compiled based on Egyptian, Sumerian and Akkadian mythology and folktales up to the hittite and ugarithic period when they entered into Egyptian religious texts.

You have at your disposal the internet where you can research for yourself the origins of canaanite "religion" and it's development which included the worship of Baal/Molech. I suspected as much and if this is indeed one of three systems which are "syncretized" and part of metu neter, I shall be discarding the remaining volume I have and throwing it into the fire. I will give no more detail than I already have openly and I thank Amma for revealing to me the guise in which the open enemies have revealed themselves.

As far as the account of Solomon, I have no way of proving or disproving what has been recorded by the Ancients.


Peace...


i do not understand your post. what i mean is why? such a strong statement. i myself am a follower of no one. if you wish to not include the meter neter in your system that is cool. I have read it a couple of times and like his approach to every day life situations. proper control of these situations can help one to make proper choices in life and not have to pay such hardships for mistakes made within the blink of an eye such as violence. however lost in the vary abstract arguements currently provided. is the fact this system that will allow and indvidual an oppurtunity to develop the sleeping god within. Mr amen obviously has done alot of research regarding the topics he speaks on and i thank him for giving me addtions to my truth system-maat- other than that is he just another man. question brother did you learn anything from reading it if so what ? question two how do you feel about his explanation of looking at every situation as a chance to control the amen with in you to control your animalistic nature? we are all failing big time here. these are the things i would like to discuss with a brother whom is interested the rest in just babble. I continue to look for more from u, i think a gross misunderstanding of what mr amen wants to cover in the metu neter has been lost here.

(omowalejabali) - However, nothing you have stated so far alters my position concerning the metu neter and the 'three religious sytems" on which it is based.

correct. i have not yet begun to address your points.
a) it seems like you have taken issue with the metu neter not regarding ptah's active role as the shaper of things, and that this somehow denies amma with an analagous role?

if this is one of the issues, the explanation is within the metu neter.
the explanation is that it is inappropriate to elevate ptah to the role of shaper; the shaper is identified as a state of pure consciousness before things are manifest spiritually and materially. amma similarly is associated with pure consciousness, and the source of spiritual and material existence. amma is the source of the ideas of things, and these ideas exist before the things themselves.
the issue with ptah in the menefer theology is that ptah himself emerges from the primeval waters of nun, and thus is not the source of the waters. the consciousness that shapes is not born from the primeval waters but the source itself of the water. of unlimited potential. it is not that ra un nefer amen is denying amma, but of ra un nefer amen challenging the notion of ptah being associated with amma.
you'll note that ra associates atem with ammu in this regard; and not ptah. this is the source of his issue with menefer cosmogony. this is all covered in metu neter vol 2.

b) in terms of music producer's concerns about "worshipping lesser gods, or equating lesser gods with the one ultimate source"...here we see the exact opposite. ra un nefer amen has affirmed that it is incorrect to elevate ptah above atem, and the consistent theme throughout both the metu neters is that each of the gods is merely a name or attribute of the one source. it is not polytheistic in any way, nor is it elevating something lesser above something greater.

c) for these reasons it's completely apparent why any light being, lucifer or molech that anyone might ever encounter would be ludicrous to portray itself as "god". that is purely nonsensical within the framework of the metu neter and anyone suggesting that such a claim is true or such a choice be made is clearly of a malevolent and deceitful nature.

mystery god's are a european construct; so discovering a mystery god is a european pratfall.

(omowalejabali) - The canaanite and the phoenician derive from the sumerian which actually has a chronology older than the so-called 'kemetic'.

diop covers this issue directly in demonstrating that ku****e/nubian civilization and everything derived is far older and more advanced than sumer. diop concludes that it is inappropriate to compare sumer to kemet.

diop also chronicles the ties between both the canaanites & phoenicians with kemet (and particularly shemau) in african origins of civilization.

For Metu Neter followers: Original Thread question:

On what ancient Egyptian authority are you practicing a religion / spirituality that was band by the Highest Offices of our ancestral Kemet Kingdom of Africa?

Please stay on the subject around this question.

i do not understand your post. what i mean is why? such a strong statement. i myself am a follower of no one. if you wish to not include the meter neter in your system that is cool. I have read it a couple of times and like his approach to every day life situations. proper control of these situations can help one to make proper choices in life and not have to pay such hardships for mistakes made within the blink of an eye such as violence. however lost in the vary abstract arguements currently provided. is the fact this system that will allow and indvidual an oppurtunity to develop the sleeping god within. Mr amen obviously has done alot of research regarding the topics he speaks on and i thank him for giving me addtions to my truth system-maat- other than that is he just another man. question brother did you learn anything from reading it if so what ? question two how do you feel about his explanation of looking at every situation as a chance to control the amen with in you to control your animalistic nature? we are all failing big time here. these are the things i would like to discuss with a brother whom is interested the rest in just babble. I continue to look for more from u, i think a gross misunderstanding of what mr amen wants to cover in the metu neter has been lost here.

let me explain it to you this way brother emanuel.

I am in no position to judge others unless provoked to do so. And when I do take on the role of judge I look at the FRUIT one bears.

I have stated before that I had an early spiritual foundation laid down, built and instilled iwthin me long ago by my Elders who wrote my family history and explained to me Our History and I worked first-hand with my Father in the engineering profession before going into 20 years of public service as a school teacher. I was therefore raised by Black MEN and women who had a strong sense of Pride in their Family and who passed on to me this Knowledge.

Therefore, for the most part, what I have read since the death of my father only has minor effect upon my spiritual development and since I was taught African spirituality long before reading anything written associated with the ausar auset society, their impact on my Life is marginal.

As I continue to read the older threads in these forums, especially those on subjects of interest to me, I have noticed a pattern and it has become obvious that certain people who no longer are members here had numerous negative with some of the very same members who I have problems with currently.

I always have been a "free thinker", someone who constantly asks questions that challenge the status quo. In relative terms, a very small percentage of the Black community refer as 'kemet' and my doing so has not proven to be of any redeeming value so why should I continue.

There are a few things I learned and passed on to a cousin in Philadelphia who is interested in starting a rites of passage program so I gave her volume I to use as a reference.

I still have volume II but the more I read of the text, and the manner in which I have experienced the interaction between myself and a few folks here it is reminescent of earlier experiences I had years ago as a member of several Black nationalist organizations.

At this point in my life, I see no redeeming value in a "religious system" which has syncretized or synthesized afrikan, canaanite and dravidian spirituality or religion.

I can study tai chi, qi gong, akan and dogon cosmology rather independently or with a few trusted family members and draw more positivity from that experience without buying into a systme where I have to deal with thuggery, peer pressure and messianic, false leadership.

if a great deal has been lost her i suggest taking a closer look at how mr. amen's "pupils" themselves have and continue to conduct themselves.

How can I take seriously someone who suggest there is something wrong with me emotionally when I read all these threads that the same TWO people, along with a few more, have consistently KILLED.

It seems that if one does not profess metu neter (which most of us dont) then we are dealt with in lynch mob fashion.

In my own experience, this does not signify that any of these people are any more spiritually inclined or developed than I am, and while they ask themselves what do they have to learn from me, a professional Educator, I have long ago asked the very same question and concluded NOTHING!

Not when they do not answer very basic questions that I ask but instead consintually create make be-LIE-ve stories creating obfuscation and subterfuge.

(omowalejabali) - However, nothing you have stated so far alters my position concerning the metu neter and the 'three religious sytems" on which it is based.

correct. i have not yet begun to address your points.
a) it seems like you have taken issue with the metu neter not regarding ptah's active role as the shaper of things, and that this somehow denies amma with an analagous role?

if this is one of the issues, the explanation is within the metu neter.
the explanation is that it is inappropriate to elevate ptah to the role of shaper; the shaper is identified as a state of pure consciousness before things are manifest spiritually and materially. amma similarly is associated with pure consciousness, and the source of spiritual and material existence. amma is the source of the ideas of things, and these ideas exist before the things themselves.
the issue with ptah in the menefer theology is that ptah himself emerges from the primeval waters of nun, and thus is not the source of the waters. the consciousness that shapes is not born from the primeval waters but the source itself of the water. of unlimited potential. it is not that ra un nefer amen is denying amma, but of ra un nefer amen challenging the notion of ptah being associated with amma.
you'll note that ra associates atem with ammu in this regard; and not ptah. this is the source of his issue with menefer cosmogony. this is all covered in metu neter vol 2.

b) in terms of music producer's concerns about "worshipping lesser gods, or equating lesser gods with the one ultimate source"...here we see the exact opposite. ra un nefer amen has affirmed that it is incorrect to elevate ptah above atem, and the consistent theme throughout both the metu neters is that each of the gods is merely a name or attribute of the one source. it is not polytheistic in any way, nor is it elevating something lesser above something greater.

c) for these reasons it's completely apparent why any light being, lucifer or molech that anyone might ever encounter would be ludicrous to portray itself as "god". that is purely nonsensical within the framework of the metu neter and anyone suggesting that such a claim is true or such a choice be made is clearly of a malevolent and deceitful nature.

mystery god's are a european construct; so discovering a mystery god is a european pratfall.

(omowalejabali) - The canaanite and the phoenician derive from the sumerian which actually has a chronology older than the so-called 'kemetic'.

diop covers this issue directly in demonstrating that ku****e/nubian civilization and everything derived is far older and more advanced than sumer. diop concludes that it is inappropriate to compare sumer to kemet.

diop also chronicles the ties between both the canaanites & phoenicians with kemet (and particularly shemau) in african origins of civilization.

Note: If Diop himself views the Canaanite to precede the Sumerian then it is time for me to reconsider him also.

Omo, Do me a favor……..

Take your talks with them to another thread because all they are doing is using you to flood this thread and keep pushing the original thread questioning out of the viewers eye site.

Thanks……

Omo, Do me a favor……..

Take your talks with them to another thread because all they are doing is using you to flood this thread and keep pushing the original thread questioning out of the viewers eye site.

Thanks……

No problem...

No problem...
Thanks......
All praise to the Supreme Being.

On what ancient Egyptian authority are you practicing a religion / spirituality that was band by the Highest Offices of our ancestral Kemet Kingdom of Africa?

Please stay on the subject around this question.

The question is as such “religion / spirituality”. Thus why would you choose the phrase “religion” over the phrase ”spirituality” when you have the freedom within the question to choose your own phrase?
I didn't choose one over the other. I simply asked a question, which has yet to be answered and to which I will restate and add the word "spirituality." What religion/spirituality are you referring to that was banned and that you claim Metu Neter followers are practicing?

Furthermore, your question falsely and fraudulently implies that "authority" from an "ancient Egyptian source" is needed by those whom you refer to as Metu Neter followers in order to use the information in the book to improve their lives, raise better children, improve relations with their friends and families, and positively impact their communities through meditation, ritual, and the use of oracles.
This understanding is not reflected in the Holy Scriptures or Old Testament, which is the pinnacle of Akhenaten’s final enlargement of GOD.
I didn't ask you whether or not this understanding is "reflected in the Holy Scriptures or Old Testament, which is the pinnacle of Akhenaten’s final enlargement of GOD."

I asked you a very simple question: do you agree with Dr Yosef ben-Jochannon who stated that Akhenaten worshipped Re, Horus, and the MENEVIS BULL at the same time he worshipped Aten, yes or no?

http://destee.com/forums/showpost.php?p=447880&postcount=14
That doesn’t answer the question. Dr ben-Jochannon clearly states that ALONG WITH Aten Akhenaten was worshipping three other gods--Re, Horus, and the MENEVIS BULL. He didn't say BEFORE Akhenaten found ATEN he used to worship Re, Horus, and the MENEVIS BULL. He's saying that Akhenaten worshipped the following: 1) Aten, 2) Re, 3) Horus, AND 4) the Menevis Bull SIMULTANEOUSLY.

So, I ask you for the 5th time: do you agree with Dr Yosef ben-Jochannon who stated that Akhenaten worshipped Re, Horus, and the MENEVIS BULL at the same time he worshipped Aten, yes or no?

The long-term effect of building spirituality based on lies and rejection of ancestral authority is destruction and no different from what the white man did with Jesus.
But that doesn’t answer my questions, so I’ll restate them: 1) what is the basis of your claim that an "ancient Egyptian authority" is needed in order to engage in these practices, and 2) how does engaging in these practices without such "authority" negatively impact the lives of people whom you call Metu Neter followers, their children, their families and friends, and their communities?

Eventually Truth prevails.

http://www.ghostsareeverywhere.org/images/RossHo_001.jpg

Please define the meaning of this word scambal, “practical syncretism of the best religious practices”..
I don’t know what a "word scambal" is, but since you claim to have read Metu Neter, I’m sure you can figger it out for yourself.
Furthermore didn’t you just try to make an argument against my using the word or phrase ”religion”?
Nope.
Now you show where Ra Un Nefer Amen himself is using the exact same phrase to describe the “info in the Metu Neter”.
So sue me.



P.S.:I guess it's back to the drawing board, eh? :lol:

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Are you done trying to ram Akhenaten down our throats? :lol:
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(Music Producer) - On what ancient Egyptian authority are you practicing a religion / spirituality that was band by the Highest Offices of our ancestral Kemet Kingdom of Africa?

why obsess over akhenaten?

the basis to your understanding is speculation and superstition regarding akhenaten.

the metu neter doctrine is largely supported by the pert em heru and pyramid texts...ideas that predate akhenaten by hundreds if not thousands of years?

show me the religious texts (pert em heru, "pyramid texts", "coffin texts"..etc) predating akhenaten that support akhenaten's doctrine that you advance over the metu neter doctrine.

enough speculation, back up your claims with medu neter that support your ideas.

I didn't choose one over the other. I simply asked a question, which has yet to be answered and to which I will restate and add the word "spirituality." What religion/spirituality are you referring to that was banned and that you claim Metu Neter followers are practicing?

This religion……….as stated and defined by Ra Nu Nefer Amen………on page 2 as you yourself has directed me to……

Ra Un Nefer Amen clearly states on page 2, in plain english for all to see, that the info in Metu Neter vol 1 is a practical syncretism of the best religious practices of the three ancient Black civilizations of Kamit (ancient Egypt), the Dravidians (Black Indians of Indus Kush), and the Canaanites, the true authors of Kabala.

I do not know about Dravidians, Canaanites or Kabala but I do know about ancient Egypt and in ancient Egypt this religion was eventually band by our Government.


Furthermore, your question falsely and fraudulently implies that "authority" from an "ancient Egyptian source" is needed by those whom you refer to as Metu Neter followers in order to use the information in the book to improve their lives, raise better children, improve relations with their friends and families, and positively impact their communities through meditation, ritual, and the use of oracles.

So are you saying the Metu Neter as written by Ra Nu Nefer Amen is not a traditional ATR in which it is the Pharaoh and great leaders that are praised as Ancestral Worship or Honoring?

In order for a religion of today to be classified as an ATR, some form of ancestral worship or honoring has to be invoked.

In my following of the Holy Scriptures or Old Testament I invoke Akhenaten, the last of the Royal bloodline of the Kingdom of ancient Egypt of Africa.

What ancient African Royalty does the Metu Neter as written and defined by Ra Nu Nefer Amen invoke?


I didn't ask you whether or not this understanding is "reflected in the Holy Scriptures or Old Testament, which is the pinnacle of Akhenaten’s final enlargement of GOD."

I asked you a very simple question: do you agree with Dr Yosef ben-Jochannon who stated that Akhenaten worshipped Re, Horus, and the MENEVIS BULL at the same time he worshipped Aten, yes or no?

Yes.


But that doesn’t answer my questions, so I’ll restate them: 1) what is the basis of your claim that an "ancient Egyptian authority" is needed in order to engage in these practices, and 2) how does engaging in these practices without such "authority" negatively impact the lives of people whom you call Metu Neter followers, their children, their families and friends, and their communities?

The same way the worship of Jesus has affected us. You cannot build a religion for black people that is based on lies, false doctrine and deception because eventually it will become a curse because it angers the Supreme Being more and more and more. That anger in the Supreme Being is what causes us to hate each other, sell dope to each other, shoot each other, victimize each other and makes us jealous of the white man.

Deut:32:21: They have moved me to jealousy with that which is not God; they have provoked me to anger with their vanities: and I will move them to jealousy with those which are not a people; I will provoke them to anger with a foolish nation.

Your problem is like most of us you have been taught to believe the Specific Word of GOD has no effect on you.


P.S.:I guess it's back to the drawing board, eh?

No, just back to my original question that you evaded.

"practical syncretism of the best religious practices" omitting the Sumerian Enuma Elish from which much was stolen and plagarized under the guise of Baal/El worship.
Uh Omo, you’re doing the Music Producer thing and misrepresenting the contents of Metu Neter, per your previous routine. On page 2 of vol 1 the author states that “I am here presenting a practical syncretism of the best that the Kamitic (Ancient Egyptian), the Dravidian (Black India) and the Canaanite (true authors of Kabala) religions have to offer.” As you sat there lamenting the fact the the Sumerian Enuma Elish was “omitted”, you conveniently failed to take into account that the author decided only to include the best practices of Kamit, Black India and Canaan and said nothing about Sumer. Did I miss the memo from The Big Guy Upstairs which said that "It don't mean a thing if it ain't got that Sumerian swing?"

Can you and Music Producer score any points in these debates without the misrepresentations?
This indeed is scam artistry and a sham "religion".
Does that mean you won't be coming to class this weekend? :lol:
Sounds like a modern day form of honoring Molech where the "king of kings" is venerated as "god".
Venerated as god? Now that's entertainment. :lol:
Due to the nature of debate within these forums the past few weeks I have reached the conclusion that the meter neter is a reactionary, afrocentric scam to create a spiritual system money-making device to counter white theosophy even though it's based on many of the same teachings as white theosophists, kabbalists, zen masters and qi gong 'spiritualists" only it poses itself in 'blackface'.
Wow!! And to think you were able to arrive at this conclusion without reading a single volume of Metu Neter or attending a single class. What can I say? I’m impressed!!! :bowdown::bowdown::bowdown::bowdown:

Scam? Offering free classes to the public is a scam? Well bust mah britches and call me shawty!! :lol:

I now longer shall give this 'kemetic spirituality' any recognition nor shall i any more refer to ancient Egypt by the name "kemit" whatever form it takes.
Yes you will. As soon as Music Producer fabricates and posts a fresh new pack of lies and misrepresentations attacking what he calls “Metu Neter followers” and/or “Metu Neter”the book, you’ll be back to cosign ‘em. I’m willing to bet the farm on it.
You have at your disposal the internet where you can research for yourself the origins of canaanite "religion" and it's development which included the worship of Baal/Molech. I suspected as much and if this is indeed one of three systems which are "syncretized" and part of metu neter, I shall be discarding the remaining volume I have and throwing it into the fire.
Ah yes, it’s the old book burning routine, just like they used to do in Nazi Germany. Adolph Hitler would have been proud of the way his practices live on more than 60 years after his death.
I will give no more detail than I already have openly and I thank Amma for revealing to me the guise in which the open enemies have revealed themselves.
Uh huh, yeah.

I'm sure your performance in this thread has Amma clicking his heels and turning cartwheels about now.

why obsess over akhenaten?

I wouldn’t call it an obsession but more of an examination of Historical Kemet. Akhenaten represents our greatest authoritative Government of Kemet returning Kemet back to the original Monotheistic religion that was practice during Dynasties 1 to about 4.


the basis to your understanding is speculation and superstition regarding akhenaten.

Elaborate.


the metu neter doctrine is largely supported by the pert em heru and pyramid texts...ideas that predate akhenaten by hundreds if not thousands of years?

Ideas that were band because they lost track of the Supreme Being and started turning religion into a commodity that became integrated with heathen nations.


show me the religious texts (pert em heru, "pyramid texts", "coffin texts"..etc) predating akhenaten that support akhenaten's doctrine that you advance over the metu neter doctrine.

Any doctrine of Atum, Nu, Khnemu etc…as Names of the Supreme Being.

To see doctrine of Atum find the Egyptian Book of the Dead and search the text for, “Atum”.

Information on Nu can be found scattered in older Egyptian text such as “The Legend of the Destruction of Mankind”, in that ancient Egyptian text even Ra refers to Nu as his GOD.

For information on Khnemu read the ancient Egyptian story “The Legend of Khnemu and the Seven Years Famine”, in that story you will find the origin of the tenth offering unto the Supreme Being that is expressed in the Old Testament.

It is all about studying and reading ancient Egyptian doctrines and stories that were actually written by ancient Egyptians and paying close attention to the Supreme Being.


enough speculation, back up your claims with medu neter that support your ideas.

The Specific Words of GOD is the ONLY thing that could be classified as Medu Neter. The name of the Supreme Being at the time of the Words is irrelevant as long as under that name the Supreme Being expresses as being such.

On what ancient Egyptian authority are you practicing a religion / spirituality that was band by the Highest Offices of our ancestral Kemet Kingdom of Africa?

Please stay on the subject around this question.

(Music Producer) - returning Kemet back to the original Monotheistic religion that was practice during Dynasties 1 to about 4.

i've spoken on the monotheism issue. samarai36 has already spoken on the monotheism issue. there is no progress to be made here, until you can understand the cosmogony.

there is no reason for you to say the word "monotheism" in this discussion.

(Music Producer) - Ideas that were band because they lost track of the Supreme Being and started turning religion into a commodity that became integrated with heathen nations.

even if there was corruption in the priesthood of amun; that does not undermine the original theology. it simply undermines those priests.

according to diop, according to drusilla houston...the original doctrine was based around amun.

the historical aspect is irrelevant, as personal corruption has no reflection on the spiritual understanding.

(Music Producer) - Any doctrine of Atum, Nu, Khnemu etc…as Names of the Supreme Being.

how many names are you ignoring in that practice? why do you speak as if atum, nu...represent the same thing?

again...there is no progress to be made until you can appreciate the cosmogony...

everything that needs to be said on this issue has been said atleast thrice...

(Music Producer) - To see doctrine of Atum find the Egyptian Book of the Dead and search the text for, “Atum”.

instead of searching one should read, and try to understand everything they are skipping over.

"book of the dead" is a false name, it is the "pert em heru". i think you should read muata ashby's translation if you haven't...that one is more insightful than the european translations...

(Music Producer) - It is all about studying and reading ancient Egyptian doctrines and stories that were actually written by ancient Egyptians and paying close attention to the Supreme Being.

there is no mystery god.
you are missing alot to those stories with your singular focus.

(Music Producer) - The Specific Words of GOD is the ONLY thing that could be classified as Medu Neter.

there is no mystery god.
there is no progress to be made on this front, we've argued it before. i can only reiterate i find it incomprehensible that you believe the creator of the universe spoke words written in a book somewhere.

(Music Producer) - On what ancient Egyptian authority are you practicing a religion / spirituality that was band by the Highest Offices of our ancestral Kemet Kingdom of Africa?

stop repeating yourself.
no progress can be made as long as you choose to repeat yourself.
religion is a path to spiritual growth; a way of life. religion is not stubborn obedience to a suspect decree by a man.

i've spoken on the monotheism issue. samarai36 has already spoken on the monotheism issue. there is no progress to be made here, until you can understand the cosmogony.

there is no reason for you to say the word "monotheism" in this discussion.

OK, then it is in my right to say there is no more reason for words such as Eurasian, Asiatic and Semite to be used in our further conversations because they are all words invented by crackers to avoid the term African or Negroid.

Agreed?


even if there was corruption in the priesthood of amun; that does not undermine the original theology. it simply undermines those priests.

according to diop, according to drusilla houston...the original doctrine was based around amun.

the historical aspect is irrelevant, as personal corruption has no reflection on the spiritual understanding.

It does if that corruption is allowed to be projected into the doctrines. This projected corruption can be seen in the fact that Kemet has about four different creation stories and the theology of Kemet changes as according to Dynasty, religious center and the Pharaoh in charge. The lesser deities start to take on different attributes. For example: in older writings Horus is the son of Ra and Isis, but in other writings Horus is the son of Osiris and Isis. In some writings Ra is the Supreme Being and in other writings Ra himself confesses to be the son of Nu.

Kemet started integrating so many gods and lesser deities of the heathens that they started loosing track of them all, this is what is mint ………….

Jer:2:28: But where are thy gods that thou hast made thee? let them arise, if they can save thee in the time of thy trouble: for according to the number of thy cities are thy gods, O Judah.

Jer:11:13: For according to the number of thy cities were thy gods, O Judah; and according to the number of the streets of Jerusalem have ye set up altars to that shameful thing, even altars to burn incense unto Baal.

http://www.touregypt.net/featurestories/baal.htm


how many names are you ignoring in that practice? why do you speak as if atum, nu...represent the same thing?

again...there is no progress to be made until you can appreciate the cosmogony...

everything that needs to be said on this issue has been said atleast thrice...

The Supreme Being is the same Supreme Being no matter what the name is because there can only be ONE Supreme Being.


instead of searching one should read, and try to understand everything they are skipping over.

"book of the dead" is a false name, it is the "pert em heru". i think you should read muata ashby's translation if you haven't...that one is more insightful than the european translations...

I am going to tell you right know that I have the Book of the Dead and I have the Pyramid Text and both of them are broken up into bits and peaces of random script that was created through cut and paste from a master doctrine. The Pyramid Text, which predates the Book of the Dead, concentrates more on Supreme Being concepts, but the Book of the Dead is less centered on Supreme Being concepts and concentrates more on deifying the lesser gods such as Osiris.

Which is in harmony with the move from worshiping the Supreme Being and slowly corrupting that worship with derivatives of the Supreme Being so much so that the Supreme Being becomes forgotten and all the lesser gods take center stage. That is the unforgivable sin and is the reason Kemet was destroyed and it’s people enslaved and scattered in the earth to serve the very people that conquered us.


there is no mystery god.

I will repeat what I said the last time you said that……..You need to read more stories that were written by Egyptians about the gods.
What does the name “Amun” translate to?

we have already discussed why amun is not a mystery god.

we have already discussed why amun is not a mystery god.
The name itself means "the hidden (one)"

(omowalejabali) - The name itself means "the hidden (one)"

yes it does.
myself and music producer argued this exact issue before; and why "the hidden one" is not a mystery god. we made no progress then, it looks like there is not progress to be made now.

"hidden" is not mysterious. music producer flattens the entire cosmogony into something mysterious, when hidden is simply that which is present, yet unseen.

look at everything that is visible...the hidden one does not represent the visible; only the hidden aspect of the visible.

as long as music producer wishes to flatten the cosmogony, there is no progress.

look at this line right here:
(Music Producer) - Any doctrine of Atum, Nu, Khnemu etc…as Names of the Supreme Being.

atum and nu are not the same. as long as music producer insists they are no progress can be made.

i suggest using muata ashby's translations of the pert em heru and not the european translations which destroy much of the meaning.

(Music Producer) - OK, then it is in my right to say there is no more reason for words such as Eurasian, Asiatic and Semite to be used in our further conversations

that is a completely different issue and is not remotely related to the issue at hand.
where in this thread is that being argued?

(Music Producer) - It does if that corruption is allowed to be projected into the doctrines.

the bottom line is akhenaten himself is not that important. we can look at the earlier doctrines and judge for ourselves what is correct or not.

we don't agree on corruption. it's evident that your understanding and interpretation of things is different than others; thus no progress can be made.
everyone you are arguing with understands your points and rejects them for their lack of merit.

(Music Producer) - This projected corruption can be seen in the fact that Kemet has about four different creation stories and the theology of Kemet changes as according to Dynasty, religious center and the Pharaoh in charge. The lesser deities start to take on different attributes. For example: in older writings Horus is the son of Ra and Isis, but in other writings Horus is the son of Osiris and Isis. In some writings Ra is the Supreme Being and in other writings Ra himself confesses to be the son of Nu.

a) your argument applies equally to akhenaten's changes.

b) yours is not the best explanation of the changes. certainly not a complete explanation, although it does address some problems that may have arisen.

(Music Producer) -Kemet started integrating so many gods and lesser deities of the heathens that they started loosing track of them all, this is what is mint

the old testament has no credibility in this discussion.

(Music Producer) -The Supreme Being is the same Supreme Being no matter what the name is because there can only be ONE Supreme Being.

your understanding of the supreme being is not the only understanding, it's not universal; and frankly is very european in nature.

it is largely for this reason that no progress has been made.

(Music Producer) -I am going to tell you right know that I have the Book of the Dead and I have the Pyramid Text and both of them are broken up into bits and peaces of random script

which translations? i wouldn't pay close attention to budge's translations here, his understanding is demonstrably suspect. imho muata ashby's translations and gloss would by most useful for you to understanding the short comings of your revealed understanding.

(Music Producer) - but the Book of the Dead is less centered on Supreme Being concepts and concentrates more on deifying the lesser gods such as Osiris.

again, muata ashby's translations would address part of your misunderstanding here.

(Music Producer) - Which is in harmony with the move from worshiping the Supreme Being and slowly corrupting that worship with derivatives of the Supreme Being so much so that the Supreme Being becomes forgotten and all the lesser gods take center stage.

no, this is actually a misunderstanding that largely is due to poor translations and understanding afaict.

(Music Producer) - I will repeat what I said the last time you said that……..You need to read more stories that were written by Egyptians about the gods.

you need to read better translations.

the bottom line is akhenaten himself is not that important. we can look at the earlier doctrines and judge for ourselves what is correct or not.

Exactly, but no one is doing that, no one is studying the nature of Kemet theology over the entire span of it’s existence. All they are doing is targeting a specific time period and say oh ye that’s it. When in reality they targeted a time period of religious corruption.


we don't agree on corruption. it's evident that your understanding and interpretation of things is different than others; thus no progress can be made.
everyone you are arguing with understands your points and rejects them for their lack of merit.

Well when is everyone I am arguing with going to answer the original thread question? We did get one answer but his answer was shown to be weak because the Pharaoh he tried to utilize, as authority over Akhenaten doesn’t even know who his parents are, which suggest strongly that Horemheb was a foreigner, thus it is by the authority of foreigners that they continue to practice a religion that was band by the full Office of the last great Government of Kemet.


a) your argument applies equally to akhenaten's changes.

No, because Akhenaten was returning Egypt back to an original concept of One GOD and only that One GOD is worthy of prays. And further more, Akhenaten was the authoritative figure, he was the Pharaoh.
What gives them the right as they claim to practice an ATR to ignore, disrespect and discredit all of the Offices of the highest authority of our Ancestors?


the old testament has no credibility in this discussion.

Oooh it doesn’t?
well you aint read enough of my threads to understand where I am coming from.
You might want to start with this one…………
http://destee.com/forums/showpost.php?p=442076&postcount=149

Until you take the time to know me, there is really nothing else we can talk about.

On what ancient Egyptian authority are you practicing a religion / spirituality that was band by the Highest Offices of our ancestral Kemet Kingdom of Africa?

Please stay on the subject around this question.

hello, all. just wanted to say how blessed I feel to have found this site. While in school in D.C. for a short time, I had the priviledge of taking african cosmology as well as meditation courses at Ausar Auset and it was indeed an awakening experience. I look forward to the discussions and helping each other grow intellectually as well as spiritually.

one love,
blkprof77

hello, all. just wanted to say how blessed I feel to have found this site. While in school in D.C. for a short time, I had the priviledge of taking african cosmology as well as meditation courses at Ausar Auset and it was indeed an awakening experience. I look forward to the discussions and helping each other grow intellectually as well as spiritually.

one love,
blkprof77

BlkProf77 ... Hello and Welcome ... :wave:

So glad you were led our way! Thanks for joining and please make yourself at home, because you are!

:heart:

Destee

hello, all. just wanted to say how blessed I feel to have found this site. While in school in D.C. for a short time, I had the priviledge of taking african cosmology as well as meditation courses at Ausar Auset and it was indeed an awakening experience. I look forward to the discussions and helping each other grow intellectually as well as spiritually.

one love,
blkprof77
greetings and welcome to the site.
i meditate and study the metu neter in philly.
there has been a lot of heat around here but not much light. we could use a breath of fresh air.
if you read through all this discussion you may find some useful nuggets of info here and there.

hotep.

On what ancient Egyptian authority are you practicing and spreading a religion / spirituality that was banned by the Highest Offices of our ancestral Kemet Kingdom of Africa?

(omowalejabali) - The name itself means "the hidden (one)"

yes it does.
myself and music producer argued this exact issue before; and why "the hidden one" is not a mystery god. we made no progress then, it looks like there is not progress to be made now.

"hidden" is not mysterious. music producer flattens the entire cosmogony into something mysterious, when hidden is simply that which is present, yet unseen.

look at everything that is visible...the hidden one does not represent the visible; only the hidden aspect of the visible.

as long as music producer wishes to flatten the cosmogony, there is no progress.

look at this line right here:
(Music Producer) - Any doctrine of Atum, Nu, Khnemu etc…as Names of the Supreme Being.

atum and nu are not the same. as long as music producer insists they are no progress can be made.

i suggest using muata ashby's translations of the pert em heru and not the european translations which destroy much of the meaning.

Quote:

"i suggest using muata ashby's translations of the pert em heru and not the european translations which destroy much of the meaning."

Point taken, I choose to study both.

Nibs:
atum and nu are not the same. as long as music producer insists they are no progress can be made.

Is Atum the name for a Supreme Being?
Is Nu a name for a Supreme Being?


There can only be One Supreme Being, if not then the Being is no longer Supreme.

Thus Atum and Nu are references to the same Supreme Being.

If you no of any religious text in which Atum or Nu are speaking in their own words that dictate otherwise please reveal it.

Is Atum the name for a Supreme Being?
Is Nu a name for a Supreme Being?


There can only be One Supreme Being, if not then the Being is no longer Supreme.

Thus Atum and Nu are references to the same Supreme Being.

If you no of any religious text in which Atum or Nu are speaking in their own words that dictate otherwise please reveal it.

These names are not references to the Supreme, but merely attributes of such.

So in other words, you still don't know what the name for the Supreme Being in Kemetic is, right?

These names are not references to the Supreme, but merely attributes of such.

So in other words, you still don't know what the name for the Supreme Being in Kemetic is, right?
You don’t know what you are talking about.

On what ancient Egyptian authority are you practicing and spreading a religion / spirituality that was banned by the Highest Offices of our ancestral Kemet Kingdom of Africa?

You don’t know what you are talking about.

Yes, of course I don't. That's right.

In the meantime, I see you still don't know the name of the Supreme Being in Kemetic.

Prove me wrong, I dare you. I'll bet my membership on this site, that you don't know.

On what ancient Egyptian authority are you practicing and spreading a religion / spirituality that was banned by the Highest Offices of our ancestral Kemet Kingdom of Africa?

We are practicing it on the authority of the Supreme Being, whose name you don't know.

Yes, of course I don't. That's right.

In the meantime, I see you still don't know the name of the Supreme Being in Kemetic.

Prove me wrong, I dare you. I'll bet my membership on this site, that you don't know.
The Name of the Supreme Being in Kemet would be Nu or Nun, as stated by Ra himself.

So does this mean you will go byby?

The Name of the Supreme Being in Kemet would be Nu or Nun, as stated by Ra himself.

So does this mean you will go byby?


Nope, that's not correct. NU(N) was a product of the SUPREME (which you still don't know the name of), much in the way that your YAHWEH was merely a water-boy for EL.

When will you admit that you don't know? Why is it that your boy BUDGE knew the name for the Supreme Being, but you don't?

Perhaps if you would actually read the PERT and Metu Neter, then you might actually learn something.

Before you start running you mouth, read the text for yourself……

http://www.sacred-texts.com/egy/leg/leg15.htm

Before you start running you mouth, read the text for yourself……

http://www.sacred-texts.com/egy/leg/leg15.htm

Thanks for posting this, but it still doesn't prove anything.

RA was indeed created by NU(N), or translated, the Life Force was created by the inert Primordial Waters....

However, the Primordial Waters were were still created by the Indwelling Consciousness. What was that Consciousness's name?

So now that you have read the text, that was written by ancient Egyptians themselves and it shows Ra, a god; confessing it, will you continue to uplift what some crackpot has told you or will you yield to the actual records and the words of one of the gods you serve?

Or will you go against one of your own gods?

Your choice……you have 5 seconds, tick tock, tick tock……

Thanks for posting this, but it still doesn't prove anything.

RA was indeed created by NU(N), or translated, the Life Force was created by the inert Primordial Waters....

However, the Primordial Waters were were still created by the Indwelling Consciousness. What was that Consciousness's name?
tick tock, tick tock.......

So now that you have read the text, that was written by ancient Egyptians themselves and it shows Ra, a god; confessing it, will you continue to uplift what some crackpot has told you or will you yield to the actual records and the words of one of the gods you serve?

Or will you go against one of your own gods?

Your choice……you have 5 seconds, tick tock, tick tock……

Stop talking non-sense, and tell me what the name of the Supreme Being is.

Showing me one text, and only a few verses out of it, proves nothing.

That's like me showing you a few verses out of Psalms, where the name "JAH" is mentioned, and then me claiming that "JAH" is the only name for "GOD".

I'm still waiting for you to tell me, what the PERT EM HERU says that name for the SUPREME BEING is.

Stop talking non-sense, and tell me what the name of the Supreme Being is.

Showing me one text, and only a few verses out of it, proves nothing.

That's like me showing you a few verses out of Psalms, where the name "JAH" is mentioned, and then me claiming that "JAH" is the only name for "GOD".

I'm still waiting for you to tell me, what the PERT EM HERU says that name for the SUPREME BEING is.
tick tock, tick tock.......