Purpose of Metu Neter:

The overall purpose of Metu Neter as written by Ra Nu Nefer Amen is to discover ways of reaching an understanding, unity and ones with the Being of Sphere 0, which turns you into a Monotheist.

i thought it was to annoy you..........:slobber:

Purpose of Metu Neter:

The overall purpose of Metu Neter as written by Ra Nu Nefer Amen is to discover ways of reaching an understanding, unity and ones with the Being of Sphere 0, which turns you into a Monotheist.


instead of learning and incorporating it into your truth system-maat--. your hunger and thirst for the orgin of monothesism and god will continue to mislead u. please open your heart and mind to the orgin of spirituality and i am not saying that the metu neter is the origin of spirtuality. i am speaking of cosmonology the order of things . i am speaking of my ancestors whom where once flesh and the prodeccesors of matter as we no it ie atomic structures spatial matter etc. our connection with animals nature etc was embraced not rejected as you are taught in america now .true music producer all of the parts equal a whole. our ancestors developed a format that would enable an identity to be assigned to the aspects of existence un seen. the path of the meter neter is designed to allow u to directly live according the laws of neters or nature. however one must go through all of the parts to get to the whole. our ancestors knew not belived that there were the manifestation of the creator in flesh and dedicated thier lives to live according to the laws prescribed by the hidden intelligene amen. this hidden intelligence is resposible for every expression of it on the planet. it is also responsible for every manifestation of it in the uni verse(one of many) no man can give this understanding to u. It must and only can be obtained on your own. only by listening carefully to mother neteru can this be obtained. however throught your search u should not be suprised that u will find correlations to your holy scriptures within our doctrine because our spiritual was system was misunderstood at best by the levtical priest(the jebusties) hittes horites etc

one must go through all of the parts to get to the whole.

I am already at the level you are trying to achieve; my reaching that level of Ones, Understanding and Knowledge of the Being of Sphere 0 was reached through this path and belief………….

Jn:14:6: Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

Why would I want to go back to serving, worshiping, meditating on, or uplifting any deity, demigod or lesser god that is theologically, historically and confesses to be less than GOD?

I have already achieved the journey you are on and that is to reach Unity with the Being of Sphere 0, GOD.

The fact that you believe the Metu Neter is the only way to Sphere 0 shows that you haven’t even begun your journey. You are about at the point in your journey as to where Servants of Jesus believe Jesus is the only way to GOD but you are doing it with the Metu Neter or some form of Egyptian theology. GOD is the Supreme Being thus IT must be Universal like numbers.

Purpose of Metu Neter:

The overall purpose of Metu Neter as written by Ra Nu Nefer Amen is to discover ways of reaching an understanding, unity and ones with the Being of Sphere 0, which turns you into a Monotheist.

ROFL!!!

Did the author of Metu Neter pee in your Cheerios or something? Is that what this relentless campaign of lies and slander is all about?

ROFL!!!

Did the author of Metu Neter pee in your Cheerios or something? Is that what this relentless campaign of lies and slander is all about?
What is the absolute objective for studying Metu Neter as written by Ra Nu Nefer Amen?

Is it not to reach the Spiritual Level and Understanding of Sphere 0?

I am already at the level you are trying to achieve; my reaching that level of Ones, Understanding and Knowledge of the Being of Sphere 0 was reached through this path and belief………….

Jn:14:6: Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

Why would I want to go back to serving, worshiping, meditating on, or uplifting any deity, demigod or lesser god that is theologically, historically and confesses to be less than GOD?

I have already achieved the journey you are on and that is to reach Unity with the Being of Sphere 0, GOD.

The fact that you believe the Metu Neter is the only way to Sphere 0 shows that you haven’t even begun your journey. You are about at the point in your journey as to where Servants of Jesus believe Jesus is the only way to GOD but you are doing it with the Metu Neter or some form of Egyptian theology. GOD is the Supreme Being thus IT must be Universal like numbers.


forget it your dna is not ready or you are personally choosing to reject it . it does not matter brother it is your choice and that is what is important. good luck to u.

Why focus so much on something that one does not care about? It makes you look very petty.

This dude spends far more time trying to convince us what another system that he does not agree with is, than talking about his own beliefs.

What is the purpose of the Bible? Isn't that what he believes in?

The Purpose of the Bible is to achieve understanding, accepting, knowledge and ones with GOD. Just as the purpose of Metu Neter as written by Ra Nu Nefer Amen is to achieve understanding, accepting, knowledge and ones with GOD (Sphere 0).

Why do you reject people that have achieved what you are striving for?

Don’t you understand that GOD is Universal and my achieving ones through Service to Jesus is no different from you achieving understanding of GOD through the Ennead?

Once anyone, anyone achieves Sphere 0 they will automatically appear as the enemy to those that continue to strive for that Ones because from Sphere 0 one reaches the understanding that GOD is the Supreme Being of Absolute Power and Authority which causes all other lesser gods to pine away. They are elusions, inventions of men and this is what GOD desires you to reach before your death. Most people never even start such a journey, so you should be proud that you have even begun.

Due to the evasion of a very serious question I asked, I will ask it again.


What is the absolute objective for studying Metu Neter as written by Ra Nu Nefer Amen?

What is the absolute objective for studying Metu Neter as written by Ra Nu Nefer Amen?

Is it not to reach the Spiritual Level and Understanding of Sphere 0?
Mr. Amen has presented one path out of many...now we see it for what it really is...a path to a destination represented by 'sphere 0' and such...but ragardless of that i will take elements from other paths and incorporate it into my own journey.

and since we now have a common comprehension of a subject I know it is time to share ideas/concepts/ spiritual ways with one another peacefully..perhaps those posts will be as long as the ones that are full of debates?....:look:

and since we now have a common comprehension of a subject I know it is time to share ideas/concepts/ spiritual ways with one another peacefully..perhaps those posts will be as long as the ones that are full of debates?....:look:

What common comprehension? He is so far off base, that it's not funny. But that's not atypical for him.

Sphere-1 is not adversarial to Sphere-0. That's non-sense, and he continues to prove that he has not even read the material, let alone understood it.

PEACE

Who said they were adversarial?

The spheres are not adversarial, they exist as the Supreme Being intended for them to exist. What becomes adversarial are the people that are trapped in the lower spheres and will do anything against anyone to sustain their worship inside that sphere just as Servants of Jesus are trapped inside of his sphere. Your religious, spirituality must advance, not set still or become stagnated as we traverse our way to entering the understanding of the Sphere of GOD or Nu, the Essence that made the gods.


What common comprehension? He is so far off base, that it's not funny.

As you being a study of Metu Neter as written by Mr. Amen, what is your own personal perception of the overall objective and purpose of his book, what does it cause one to strive for?

Who said they were adversarial?

The spheres are not adversarial, they exist as the Supreme Being intended for them to exist. What becomes adversarial are the people that are trapped in the lower spheres and will do anything against anyone to sustain their worship inside that sphere just as Servants of Jesus are trapped inside of his sphere. Your religious, spirituality must advance, not set still or become stagnated as we traverse our way to entering the understanding of the Sphere of GOD or Nu, the Essence that made the gods.


As you being a study of Metu Neter as written by Mr. Amen, what is your own personal perception of the overall objective and purpose of his book, what does it cause one to strive for?


the purpose of the metu neter is to reallign your self with mother neter. to be incontrol of your energy in motion and not let your energy in motion control u. We are currently loosing our divinity by the day and just becoming man because we are not using our hu. the story of osiris and set displays the evil or the negative that is in the hearts of every man. set out of pride and anger decided that he should be in control of upper and lower kemet. so he set out to trick osiris etc. hours defeat over set displays a humans ability to over come negative or harmful emotional responses by not giving in to them. set has a purpose and osiris and hours without these individuals the system could not be balanced. The metu neter is one way to remember whom u are as a man of kemetic decent. we are the gods in question the karast or the messiah spoken of in the holy bi bill(this is what we know not belive). the bible has u belive in this supreme essence. every one is a per son mr music. which means through sound you were created. we all come into the world on an even plane being born in water out of the primodal egg(the womb) like RA. we know us and the neteru are the same however your bible teaches u to look up to and fear the creator. I here no such things in our doctrines.There is much knowledge u must obtain and digest sir. however your emotional attachment to your god concept has you in fear of learning new things(to u) about our culture. i would be typing for hours tyring to teach u this concept. however if u continue to read nature or the neters will take care of things on thier own. your cannot hide from the truth .i know u like bibical quotes" in the begginng there was the AMEN (the hidden intelligence)the creation of god"
once again i am done. I leave u in peace

however your bible teaches u to look up to and fear the creator. I here no such things in our doctrines.

I would advise you to start reading Egyptian stories written by Egyptians and you might want to start with “The Destruction of Man Kind”.

You are trying to deify Egyptian History. Ra was a human being, Osiris was a human being, Seth was a human being, the stories of the gods that you are literally trying to gleam understanding are actually historical events that took place between rulers of ancient, ancient Kemet. The method of turning these ancient rulers into gods was simply the method of recording Kemet history so that those Kings would never be forgotten. Egyptologist thought Imhotep was a god before they found he was a living and breathing human being. Just as our ancestors deified Imhotep so did they do with Ra, Osiris and several other deities.

Once Osiris was killed or chopped up he was dead, any other history of him after that event is pure deification by the historians and priests of Kemet. You have failed in distinguishing between true Kemet ancient history and deification of that history.

In the ancient, ancient times before dynastic Egypt we maintained memory of our great kings by deifying them as gods. This method of recording predates Egypt. It is our failure to understand the methods used by our ancestors that has caused us to confuse these historical events with religion. This also became an error of Kemet as we moved further and further away from the time of Ra, the actual human King or Queen we actually began to see Ra as an actual God.

The concept of the Red and White crown had to have been preconceived before Kemet was even Kemet. What are the odds of these two crowns fitting together perfectly and what are the odds that they fit together just like the phallus and uterus?

The entire concept of Egypt was preconceived; it is those people that preconceived Kemet and the crowns that recorded the Kings or Queens as gods.

Now you understand what it means when they say “Ancestral Worship”.

I would advise you to start reading Egyptian stories written by Egyptians and you might want to start with “The Destruction of Man Kind”.

You are trying to deify Egyptian History. Ra was a human being, Osiris was a human being, Seth was a human being, the stories of the gods that you are literally trying to gleam understanding are actually historical events that took place between rulers of ancient, ancient Kemet. The method of turning these ancient rulers into gods was simply the method of recording Kemet history so that those Kings would never be forgotten. Egyptologist thought Imhotep was a god before they found he was a living and breathing human being. Just as our ancestors deified Imhotep so did they do with Ra, Osiris and several other deities.

Once Osiris was killed or chopped up he was dead, any other history of him after that event is pure deification by the historians and priests of Kemet. You have failed in distinguishing between true Kemet ancient history and deification of that history.

In the ancient, ancient times before dynastic Egypt we maintained memory of our great kings by deifying them as gods. This method of recording predates Egypt. It is our failure to understand the methods used by our ancestors that has caused us to confuse these historical events with religion. This also became an error of Kemet as we moved further and further away from the time of Ra, the actual human King or Queen we actually began to see Ra as an actual God.

The concept of the Red and White crown had to have been preconceived before Kemet was even Kemet. What are the odds of these two crowns fitting together perfectly and what are the odds that they fit together just like the phallus and uterus?

The entire concept of Egypt was preconceived; it is those people that preconceived Kemet and the crowns that recorded the Kings or Queens as gods.

Now you understand what it means when they say “Ancestral Worship”.


as above so below my brother. every thing has a dual use or side if you will. our ancsestors were aware and in contact with both sides of thier existence. There is actually 7+2+ 9 or 360+360+ 720 degress of physcial and the spritual .or nine either the curl of your hair my brother" a sprial or the swirl of the universe(our kemetic sign my brother) the vibration of sound hitting water causing a swirl in water to stimualte life combined with love and warmth from the sun. This is ra's spritual existence being born by saying his name AUUUNg!this existence is before the flesh however u are not prepared for u are still in tune with the illusion in front of your eyes. i feel that it is not appropriate for me to justisfy reality to u. for nature is doing it everyday

Factoid:

Did you know Ra referred to the Nu as his GOD?

Factoid:

Did you know Ra referred to the Nu as his GOD?

nu or nun the abyss the collection undiferrianted matter form which we all come. in this case water is also considered as nun a mass collection of undifferntiated matter which is where ra originatd from . are you serious music u did not know that? please learn your culture my dear brother(if indeed u are one) and the neters will guide u the rest of the way.

I already understood what Nu is. It is your own assumption that I did not. All I did was placed a factoid. Now through this factoid we can began to learn that Ra is not the Supreme Being.

nu or nun the abyss the collection undiferrianted matter form which we all come. in this case water is also considered as nun a mass collection of undifferntiated matter which is where ra originatd from . are you serious music u did not know that? please learn your culture my dear brother(if indeed u are one) and the neters will guide u the rest of the way.

I told you that he didn't understand. He hasn't even fully read the book, and he's here trying to lecture us about this theology.

Don't waste your time, fattening frogs for snakes, Brother.

PEACE

Yeah, I think it's obvious to everyone at this point that Music Producer is trying to create his own cult group, and since he sees the Ausar Auset Society as the quintessential Kamitic spiritual organ, he attacks that in attempts to proselytize.

The fact that he has claimed to achieve "sphere zero" in itself is ridiculous. A knowledge of one's true nature would reveal that the *only way* that this nature could be diffused through Creation is by a magical process whereby the One becomes Many; i.e. the "polytheism" which this "brother" abhors so.

Hetep.

Yeah, I think it's obvious to everyone at this point that Music Producer is trying to create his own cult group, and since he sees the Ausar Auset Society as the quintessential Kamitic spiritual organ, he attacks that in attempts to proselytize.

The fact that he has claimed to achieve "sphere zero" in itself is ridiculous. A knowledge of one's true nature would reveal that the *only way* that this nature could be diffused through Creation is by a magical process whereby the One becomes Many; i.e. the "polytheism" which this "brother" abhors so.

Hetep.
Please show vol and page number from the Metu Neter to support your words about obtaining understanding of sphere 0.

Please show vol and page number from the Metu Neter to support your words about obtaining understanding of sphere 0.

I don't have to show you anything. I have two years of priesthood training that attest to the point I made. It's you who's making the logical disconnect from the concept of the Zero Sphere and the means by arriving at it as propounded by RUNA to dissolve the effect that his teaching has introduced into the world. Therefore, the burden is on you to rectify a *misunderstanding* that I've literally taught classes on.

This correction would have to assume the following format:

"Ra Un Nefer Amen says this and this in the Metu Neter...

"He says that you can arrive at this and that by the means which I employ, which is the Bible...

"Therefore, everything which you Metu Neter proponents claim is necessary for the arrival at the zero sphere, is gross and unnecessary, and polytheistic, whereas my practice is more in line with that of Ra un Nefer Amen..."

But to have provided you fodder is a little idealistic on my part, because I doubt that you'll do anything with it. Your method is shock preaching, perfectly in line with your Biblical antecedents such as Elijah and Amos, only less eloquent. You need an enemy like Jezebel or Baal to prove that your way is correct, and so you've chosen the Metu Neter.

Now, without the Metu Neter, how responsive do you think people would be to your posts?

Peace.

Please show vol and page number from the Metu Neter to support your words about obtaining understanding of sphere 0.

I'm done with you.

I don't have to show you anything. I have two years of priesthood training that attest to the point I made.

How much money did they hit you up for?

:lol: @ this ridiculous thread.

Please show vol and page number from the Metu Neter to support your words about obtaining understanding of sphere 0.
I suppose this is one question that will remain unanswered.

(Music Producer) - Please show vol and page number from the Metu Neter to support your words about obtaining understanding of sphere 0.

metu neter vol 1
chapter 5, pp 49, 52-54, 59, 65-66
chapter 6 pg 69
chapter 7 pg 82

the ideas are covered and elaborated on...

(Music Producer) - Please show vol and page number from the Metu Neter to support your words about obtaining understanding of sphere 0.

metu neter vol 1
chapter 5, pp 49, 52-54, 59, 65-66
chapter 6 pg 69
chapter 7 pg 82

the ideas are covered and elaborated on...
Hi,

Nibs,

I have discontinued my discussions about Metu Neter and Ausar Auset Society religion. I will no longer question their religion as long as they do not use it to attack mines.

Hi,

Nibs,

I have discontinued my discussions about Metu Neter and Ausar Auset Society religion. I will no longer question their religion as long as they do not use it to attack mines.

Brother Music Producer ... Thank You ... :love:

Though i'm sure discontinuing all discussion is not necessary.

:heart:

Destee

Nibs:

This is the post by Anuk_Ausar that my question was a response to……

Anuk_Ausar:
Yeah, I think it's obvious to everyone at this point that Music Producer is trying to create his own cult group, and since he sees the Ausar Auset Society as the quintessential Kamitic spiritual organ, he attacks that in attempts to proselytize.

The fact that he has claimed to achieve "sphere zero" in itself is ridiculous. A knowledge of one's true nature would reveal that the *only way* that this nature could be diffused through Creation is by a magical process whereby the One becomes Many; i.e. the "polytheism" which this "brother" abhors so.

Hetep.


This is my response or asking him to show where the Metu Neter teaches his point of view……..

Please show vol and page number from the Metu Neter to support your words about obtaining understanding of sphere 0.


The main portion that I was responding to is this teaching by Anuk…….

The fact that he has claimed to achieve "sphere zero" in itself is ridiculous. A knowledge of one's true nature would reveal that the *only way* that this nature could be diffused through Creation is by a magical process whereby the One becomes Many; i.e. the "polytheism" which this "brother" abhors so.


I am suggesting that the Metu Neter does not teach that, which is why I asked Anuk to show the page numbers in which he derived his conclusions.

The fact that he has claimed to achieve "sphere zero" in itself is ridiculous.


Is a teaching that it is not possible to reach or achieve ones with the Being of Sphere 0.

Where does the Metu Neter teach that?

As a matter of fact the Metu Neter teaches just the opposite of what Anuk presents.

This is found on page 69 chapter 6 “The Supreme Being brings itself out of the Subjective State”.

The Supreme Being does all of this recognition of Self and Ones before the so-called division.


A knowledge of one's true nature would reveal that the *only way* that this nature could be diffused through Creation is by a magical process whereby the One becomes Many;


The Supreme Being discovered HIS Nature without becoming many…

I have discontinued my discussions about Metu Neter and Ausar Auset Society religion.
Brother Music Producer ... Thank You ...Though i'm sure discontinuing all discussion is not necessary.

no matter. there are no longer any followers of the metu neter in the house.

no matter. there are no longer any followers of the metu neter in the house.

Brother James ... a Member's effort to help maintain our peace, always matters.

With hundreds of folk viewing our threads daily, you can't know that none are followers of the Metu Neter, or want to be.

:heart:

Destee

... a Member's effort to help maintain our peace, always matters.
if this member is seen as making an effort to maintain peace now then what was his prior behavior?
was it disturbing of the peace?

if this member is seen as making an effort to maintain peace now then what was his prior behavior?
was it disturbing of the peace?

Brother James ... i think he was (re)acting ... vs ... acting. While his behavior was not stellar, no one is hardly gonna be attacked and talked to any kind of way ... or watch others being treated that way ... without exhibiting some like behavior, eventually. I think it's called "self-defense."

If i'm wrong, his prior behavior will continue, and we'll deal with it accordingly ... but already, the evidence (http://destee.com/forums/showpost.php?p=454945&postcount=30) doesn't support that.

:heart:

Destee

no matter. there are no longer any followers of the metu neter in the house.
So does this mean you have turned to GOD?

I am glad to see you accept the Supreme Being as being your spirit guide…….

Go in peace my Brother, HE has a lot of wisdom to show you.

no matter. there are no longer any followers of the metu neter in the house.

Well not exactly. I've been away for the most part because I've had to devote most of my time to writing a paper which is due next month, a consulting gig that I had to deal with, and a lot of other stuff going on right now. Anuk Ausar is in school and final exams are right around the corner. At this point in the school year, those of us who have lives outside of Destee.com have other priorities that demand our full attention. That doesn't mean that the previous barrage of lies, distortions, misrepresentations, strawman arguments and mudslinging will go unanswered; it's just that those who've been posting them are off the hook for the time being.

As regards his claim in post #4 of attaining sphere 0, to anyone who understands Metu Neter this is so laughable as to be embarassing. Sphere 0 corresponds to "Amen" and "Hetep" which is a peace that nothing can shatter. One does not attain this state by merely declaring that he has on an internet message board, as MP has done here. It takes many, many years of rigorous spiritual training and dietary observances to do this, so on that ground alone it is obvious that he couldn't possibly have attained sphere 0. Secondly, one could and most likely would go an entire lifetime following the procedures as outlined in Metu Neter and "only" complete the 6th, 5th, or 4th, etc., sphere. What this bizarre claim merely shows, as Samurai has pointed out, is his poor understanding of Metu Neter. The real proof of his lack of having attained sphere 0 is shown by his own behavior, namely his emotional tirade over the past couple of months railing against Metu Neter and those whom he calls "Metu Neter followers." A person who has attained sphere 0 wouldn't be throwing sustained hissy fits at people who post stuff on an internet message board that he believes to be wrong.

Well not exactly. I've been away for the most part because I've had to devote most of my time to writing a paper which is due next month, a consulting gig that I had to deal with, and a lot of other stuff going on right now. Anuk Ausar is in school and final exams are right around the corner. At this point in the school year, those of us who have lives outside of Destee.com have other priorities that demand our full attention. That doesn't mean that the previous barrage of lies, distortions, misrepresentations, strawman arguments and mudslinging will go unanswered; it's just that those who've been posting them are off the hook for the time being.

As regards his claim in post #4 of attaining sphere 0, to anyone who understands Metu Neter this is so laughable as to be embarassing. Sphere 0 corresponds to "Amen" and "Hetep" which is a peace that nothing can shatter. One does not attain this state by merely declaring that he has on an internet message board, as MP has done here. It takes many, many years of rigorous spiritual training and dietary observances to do this, so on that ground alone it is obvious that he couldn't possibly have attained sphere 0. Secondly, one could and most likely would go an entire lifetime following the procedures as outlined in Metu Neter and "only" complete the 6th, 5th, or 4th, etc., sphere. What this bizarre claim merely shows, as Samurai has pointed out, is his poor understanding of Metu Neter. The real proof of his lack of having attained sphere 0 is shown by his own behavior, namely his emotional tirade over the past couple of months railing against Metu Neter and those whom he calls "Metu Neter followers." A person who has attained sphere 0 wouldn't be throwing sustained hissy fits at people who post stuff on an internet message board that he believes to be wrong.
Do you feel better?

Brother James ... i think he was (re)acting ... vs ... acting. While his behavior was not stellar, no one is hardly gonna be attacked and talked to any kind of way ... or watch others being treated that way ... without exhibiting some like behavior, eventually. I think it's called "self-defense."
While it's understandable that he would reply to negative things said about him and to statements that he disagrees with the best way he knows how, can it fairly be called "self defense" when he proactively creates threads chock full of lies and distortions aimed at discrediting people who said nothing to or about him or his beliefs?

If i'm wrong, his prior behavior will continue, and we'll deal with it accordingly ... but already, the evidence (http://destee.com/forums/showpost.php?p=454945&postcount=30) doesn't support that.

:heart:

Destee
Well here is some fresh, new evidence of that prior behavior, namely, another question posed to Elder James in which MP lies by insinuation:

James said: "there are no longer any followers of the metu neter in the house."

And MP replied: "So does this mean you have turned to GOD?"

A couple of months ago, MP lodged a complaint against Elder James in the thread entitled "Destee2" at http://destee.com/forums/showthread.php?t=44668. In the last post there, you asked them both to not address each other since they weren't getting along:

Destee (to Music Producer): "... it's obvious that there is a problem between you and Brother James. I've asked him to avoid you, not post to your threads, not say anything to you, and i hope he'll honor that. In addition, i'm asking you to do the same, okay?" [emphasis mine]

Is his response to Elder James in this thread an example of self defense?

Do you feel better?:lol::lol::lol:
As a result of what?

:lol::lol::lol:
As a result of what?
Your little prep-talk.

The problem with it is every conversation and debate we have had is recorded and apart of the archives of Destee.com.

http://destee.com/forums/showpost.php?p=451692&postcount=83

i think he was (re)acting ... vs ... acting. While his behavior was not stellar, no one is hardly gonna be attacked and talked to any kind of way ... or watch others being treated that way ... without exhibiting some like behavior, eventually. I think it's called "self-defense."

what evidence do you have that he was acting in self defense? this member has attacked all others on this forum since day one.
you have a member who mounts frequent attacks on others belief systems and you state that he is acting in self defense?

it is ironic or worse that his behavior is now to be excused under the mantle of self defense.

While it's understandable that he would reply to negative things said about him and to statements that he disagrees with the best way he knows how, can it fairly be called "self defense" when he proactively creates threads chock full of lies and distortions aimed at discrediting people who said nothing to or about him or his beliefs?

Brother Sami_RaMaati ... i said "i think it's called self-defense" ... that would have been my guess, but there may be some other phrase that better captures what has taken place over the past year or so.

I know on the surface, it may appear as though Brother Music Producer is the one that started, or at least, continues to proactively create disruption ... but i'm here to tell you Brother ... whew ... the disruption that Brother Music Producer causes, is nothing compared to the disruption caused by Brother SAMURAI. Not only is it not comparable, in my opinion, and i saw it all ... but Brother Music Producer has never so vengefully gone after other folk, attempting to discredit them and their beliefs. It's been ugly here. We've probably lost many Sisters and Brothers that believe in Christianity, due to the outright attacks placed on them and their beliefs by Brother SAMURAI. I don't even know if Brother Music Producer considers himself a Christian or not, but i'm sure he witnessed the assaults on them. I think, in addition to watching it happen to others, over and over again, and it happen to himself, regarding whatever he believes ... and it wasn't stopped by the management of this community ... he felt the need to fight fire with fire ... and it's that same energy, you see dying down now. I'm not trying to speak for Brother Music Producer, but just sharing my unique perspective, as i've watched all of this play out over these last many months.

I do believe, now that Brother SAMURAI is gone ... and he was the main instigator over the long-term ... everything else will eventually return to normal ... where we try to engage each other in the best of manners, even if we do not agree. I realize a lot has been allowed to take place here, that shouldn't have, and a lot has been said that may keep Members at odds with each other ... but it is my hope that with the passing of a little time ... we can adjust ourselves back to a more relaxed and peaceful engagement ... that is so much more conducive to learning and building together ... which is, i believe, everyone's goal ... so i'm sure it will happen, soon ... if we let it.


Well here is some fresh, new evidence of that prior behavior, namely, another question posed to Elder James in which MP lies by insinuation:

James said: "there are no longer any followers of the metu neter in the house."

And MP replied: "So does this mean you have turned to GOD?"

A couple of months ago, MP lodged a complaint against Elder James in the thread entitled "Destee2" at http://destee.com/forums/showthread.php?t=44668. In the last post there, you asked them both to not address each other since they weren't getting along:

Destee (to Music Producer): "... it's obvious that there is a problem between you and Brother James. I've asked him to avoid you, not post to your threads, not say anything to you, and i hope he'll honor that. In addition, i'm asking you to do the same, okay?" [emphasis mine]

Is his response to Elder James in this thread an example of self defense?

Brother Sami_RaMaati ... Brother Music Producer is lying by insuation? I don't really understand what you mean by that. Brother James said, there are no more Metu Neter followers here, and Brother Music Producer asked, does this mean you've turned to God? ... He didn't state anything, he asked a question. Are you saying he insuated a lie by asking that question ... like, saying that Brother James had left God? I don't understand what you mean, or what you're referring to, when you say lying by insinuation.

Sorta off topic, but what Brother James said, is more of an obvious "lie" than what Brother Music Producer said ... as there are Metu Neter followers here ... but i'd not dare suggest that he was lying, because that is so harsh. Ya know? I'm sure he didn't mean to not tell the truth in that statement. He probably believed that there were no more Metu Neter followers here.

In regard to your evidence, of Brother Music Producer continuing his behavior, by speaking to Brother James ... it's always my hope that even when Members have to minimize contact, in order to minimize conflict ... it won't always remain that way. Many Members have stopped speaking to each other, only to come back together again, and share information. That's really a good thing, if done peacefully and respectfully. They don't get my permission to do that, they just do it, something that happens between the two of them.

Also, i don't know if the quote above, of Brother Music Producer is in fact the first dialogue they've had, since both agreed not to respond to each other. I just don't know, but i'd be willing to guess, it isn't. I'd go so far as to guess, that they've both spoke to each other, since agreeing not to. Again, that's fine with me. I want everyone to be able to interact together, and only stay away from each other, if they are going to be disruptive to the community.

Brother Sami_RaMaati ... am i understanding your concerns properly? If not, please let me know, and i'll try to respond better.

:heart:

Destee

what evidence do you have that he was acting in self defense? this member has attacked all others on this forum since day one.
you have a member who mounts frequent attacks on others belief systems and you state that he is acting in self defense?

it is ironic or worse that his behavior is now to be excused under the mantle of self defense.

Brother James ... please see my post above. I kinda outlined why i'm taking the position that i am.

If you want me to elaborate more, after reading that, i'll try ... just let me know.

:heart:

Destee

Brother Sami_RaMaati ... i said "i think it's called self-defense" ... that would have been my guess, but there may be some other phrase that better captures what has taken place over the past year or so.

I know on the surface, it may appear as though Brother Music Producer is the one that started, or at least, continues to proactively create disruption ... but i'm here to tell you Brother ... whew ... the disruption that Brother Music Producer causes, is nothing compared to the disruption caused by Brother SAMURAI. Not only is it not comparable, in my opinion, and i saw it all ... but Brother Music Producer has never so vengefully gone after other folk, attempting to discredit them and their beliefs. It's been ugly here. We've probably lost many Sisters and Brothers that believe in Christianity, due to the outright attacks placed on them and their beliefs by Brother SAMURAI. I don't even know if Brother Music Producer considers himself a Christian or not, but i'm sure he witnessed the assaults on them. I think, in addition to watching it happen to others, over and over again, and it happen to himself, regarding whatever he believes ... and it wasn't stopped by the management of this community ... he felt the need to fight fire with fire ... and it's that same energy, you see dying down now. I'm not trying to speak for Brother Music Producer, but just sharing my unique perspective, as i've watched all of this play out over these last many months.

I do believe, now that Brother SAMURAI is gone ... and he was the main instigator over the long-term ... everything else will eventually return to normal ... where we try to engage each other in the best of manners, even if we do not agree. I realize a lot has been allowed to take place here, that shouldn't have, and a lot has been said that may keep Members at odds with each other ... but it is my hope that with the passing of a little time ... we can adjust ourselves back to a more relaxed and peaceful engagement ... that is so much more conducive to learning and building together ... which is, i believe, everyone's goal ... so i'm sure it will happen, soon ... if we let it.




Brother Sami_RaMaati ... Brother Music Producer is lying by insuation? I don't really understand what you mean by that. Brother James said, there are no more Metu Neter followers here, and Brother Music Producer asked, does this mean you've turned to God? ... He didn't state anything, he asked a question. Are you saying he insuated a lie by asking that question ... like, saying that Brother James had left God? I don't understand what you mean, or what you're referring to, when you say lying by insinuation.

Sorta off topic, but what Brother James said, is more of an obvious "lie" than what Brother Music Producer said ... as there are Metu Neter followers here ... but i'd not dare suggest that he was lying, because that is so harsh. Ya know? I'm sure he didn't mean to not tell the truth in that statement. He probably believed that there were no more Metu Neter followers here.

In regard to your evidence, of Brother Music Producer continuing his behavior, by speaking to Brother James ... it's always my hope that even when Members have to minimize contact, in order to minimize conflict ... it won't always remain that way. Many Members have stopped speaking to each other, only to come back together again, and share information. That's really a good thing, if done peacefully and respectfully. They don't get my permission to do that, they just do it, something that happens between the two of them.

Also, i don't know if the quote above, of Brother Music Producer is in fact the first dialogue they've had, since both agreed not to respond to each other. I just don't know, but i'd be willing to guess, it isn't. I'd go so far as to guess, that they've both spoke to each other, since agreeing not to. Again, that's fine with me. I want everyone to be able to interact together, and only stay away from each other, if they are going to be disruptive to the community.

Brother Sami_RaMaati ... am i understanding your concerns properly? If not, please let me know, and i'll try to respond better.

:heart:

Destee
in the eyes of destee, music producer can do no wrong.
everyone else can, but not him. every behaviour by him will be excused by her.
no family can tolerate a favorite son who can do no ill.

in the eyes of destee, music producer can do no wrong.
everyone else can, but not him. every behaviour by him will be excused by her.
no family can tolerate a favorite son who can do no ill.
When I first cam hear talking about the Old Testament and Holy Scriptures it was your group that started the attacks.

Your group miscalculated my level of reading comprehension and was not intellectual enough to back off.

Your group attacked me so much that I bought the Metu Neter. Once I did I found that the book itself does not support anything you and your group had been saying.

The final straw for your guys was the revelation of whom Ra Un Nefer used to write the book. Your entire group constantly attacked me for using white Egyptologist and Historians and now we can see the Metu Neter as written by Ra Un Nefer was created and plagiarized from nothing but Crackers and you come up in here presenting the Metu Neter as if it is a book for blacks and by blacks.

Come on maaaaaaan be for real.

You guys even believe in a Trinity…..is this true?

i don't know if the quote above, of Brother Music Producer is in fact the first dialogue they've had, since both agreed not to respond to each other. I just don't know, but i'd be willing to guess, it isn't. I'd go so far as to guess, that they've both spoke to each other, since agreeing not to.

- i have not and will not speak to this member. he speaks to me in violation of destees request.
that, like everything else that he does, is of no matter.

in the eyes of destee, music producer can do no wrong.
everyone else can, but not him. every behaviour by him will be excused by her.
no family can tolerate a favorite son who can do no ill.

*sigh* ... okay ... you're entitled to your opinion.

I can't argue with the evidence and logic you've presented.

:heart:

Destee

- i have not and will not speak to this member. he speaks to me in violation of destees request.
that, like everything else that he does, is of no matter.

As i said, i didn't know whether you all had spoke or not ... but i'm really not trying to be a babysitter of grown men. Having to even say, please don't speak to each other, let alone actually monitoring it, so we can have peace ... gosh.

I'm really not wanting to do all of this ... it is so very tiring ... but since it seems necessary.

Brother Music Producer ... please don't speak to Brother James.

Matter of fact ... Brother Music Producer ... i had said in an earlier post, that you did not have to refrain from taking part in all Metu Neter discussions, but since the emotion and energy surrounding this very long feud is still high and disruptive ... maybe you're right, and it's best that you don't participate. I'm not requiring this of you, as you're entitled to take part in any discussion found here, just like all other Members ... but it may help restore our peace, if you stay away from them for a little bit.

Thank you Brother Music Producer for being willing to work with me, by offering the above solution.

:heart:

Destee

As i said, i didn't know whether you all had spoke or not ... but i'm really not trying to be a babysitter of grown men. Having to even say, please don't speak to each other, let alone actually monitoring it, so we can have peace ... gosh.

I'm really not wanting to do all of this ... it is so very tiring ... but since it seems necessary.

Brother Music Producer ... please don't speak to Brother James.

Matter of fact ... Brother Music Producer ... i had said in an earlier post, that you did not have to refrain from taking part in all Metu Neter discussions, but since the emotion and energy surrounding this very long feud is still high and disruptive ... maybe you're right, and it's best that you don't participate. I'm not requiring this of you, as you're entitled to take part in any discussion found here, just like all other Members ... but it may help restore our peace, if you stay away from them for a little bit.

Thank you Brother Music Producer for being willing to work with me, by offering the above solution.

:heart:

Destee
I understand sister Destee,

For the record it was first brother James that posted in one of my threads after you had asked us to not integrate with one another and that is why I started talking to him again.

I think he referred to me, the poster as a “Snake”, or something like that.

Let it be known I have never fired the first shot.

Hey wait a sec, I just noticed something, this is my Thread.

How he going to post in my thread but not talk to me?:(
I feel so saaaaad.

Oh well.

I steal love you Brother!
My GOD permits me to.

Nibs:

This is the post by Anuk_Ausar that my question was a response to……


This is my response or asking him to show where the Metu Neter teaches his point of view……..


The main portion that I was responding to is this teaching by Anuk…….


I am suggesting that the Metu Neter does not teach that, which is why I asked Anuk to show the page numbers in which he derived his conclusions.

The fact that he has claimed to achieve "sphere zero" in itself is ridiculous.


Is a teaching that it is not possible to reach or achieve ones with the Being of Sphere 0.

Where does the Metu Neter teach that?

As a matter of fact the Metu Neter teaches just the opposite of what Anuk presents.

This is found on page 69 chapter 6 “The Supreme Being brings itself out of the Subjective State”.

The Supreme Being does all of this recognition of Self and Ones before the so-called division.



The Supreme Being discovered HIS Nature without becoming many…




I couldn't resist this. This is a excerpt from the Pyramid Text, known as "Knowing the Manifestations of Ra and the Overthrowing of Apep":

[These are] the words of the god Neb-er-tcher, who said: "I am the creator of what hath come into being, and I myself came into being under the form of the god Khepera, and I came into being in primeval time. I came into being in the form of Khepera, and I am the creator of what did come into being, that is to say, I formed myself out of the primeval matter, and I made and formed myself out of the substance which existed in primeval time. My name is Osiris, who is the primeval matter of primeval matter.

I have done my will in everything in this earth. I have spread myself abroad therein, and I have made strong my hand. I was one by myself, for they (i.e., the gods) had not been brought forth, and I had emitted from myself neither Shu nor Tefnut. I brought my own name into my mouth as a word of power, and I forthwith came into being under the form of things which are and under the form of Khepera. I came into being from out of primeval matter, and from the beginning I appeared under the form of the multitudinous things which exist; nothing whatsoever existed at that time in this earth, and it was I who made whatsoever was made.

:darts:

Purpose of Metu Neter:

The overall purpose of Metu Neter as written by Ra Nu Nefer Amen is to discover ways of reaching an understanding, unity and ones with the Being of Sphere 0, which turns you into a Monotheist.


In THIS particular forum I openly disagree because "Mono" theism is the "Belief" in "One" God and Sphere 0 is No-thing (Atum/Atem) in particular.

You don't go through a manifold of conceptual nouns (Deities clothed as proper nouns/navigational system of teaching predominately "right brained") in order to worship ONE deity (Monolatry). You are internalizing "Neter" which is more of a "Homeostasis" than a "singularity" which the author referred to as an "Indivisible/Duality" hence Individual. Hetepu

In THIS particular forum I openly disagree because "Mono" theism is the "Belief" in "One" God and Sphere 0 is No-thing (Atum/Atem) in particular.

You don't go through a manifold of conceptual nouns (Deities clothed as proper nouns/navigational system of teaching predominately "right brained") in order to worship ONE deity (Monolatry). You are internalizing "Neter" which is more of a "Homeostasis" than a "singularity" which the author referred to as an "Indivisible/Duality" hence Individual. Hetepu

I agree and thanks for stating this because I dont thing anyone else clarified that point.

Peace.

So clarify for us what is the difference between “Neter” and “Neteru”?

In my study of this “Neter” is a reference to the ONE Supreme Being and “Neteru” is a reference to a company of demigods and demigoddesses, servants of or lesser then “Neter”.

“Neter” is the original Egyptian reference in expressing “Monotheism” and “Neteru” is the original Egyptian reference for expressing “Polytheism”.

So what’s your take on it?

Peace and Love.

Neter doesn't mean "God" necessarily, it just means PRIMARY.
So fundamental mental constructs, personalities, principles, persons
places or things, can be PRIMARIES. To me, the only word
that really means Allah in the Mdw Ntr language is Rh (to and extent
Hr/Hrw which is the inverse word for Rh) Peace.

Divine Ruler Equality Allah (Rh)

So clarify for us what is the difference between “Neter” and “Neteru”?

In my study of this “Neter” is a reference to the ONE Supreme Being and “Neteru” is a reference to a company of demigods and demigoddesses, servants of or lesser then “Neter”.

“Neter” is the original Egyptian reference in expressing “Monotheism” and “Neteru” is the original Egyptian reference for expressing “Polytheism”.

So what’s your take on it?

Peace and Love.

Well ...in keeping with the theme of your Forum (inductively), Neter was made analogous to the definition of "Telephone"; there are many other objects (form/functionally) that fit neatly into the definition ie CB..radio..Walkie talkie..ect ( An instrument that converts voice and other sound signals into a form that can be transmitted to remote locations and that receives and reconverts waves into sound signals.)http://www.thefreedictionary.com/telephone

So, as the Author states, if you never saw or was privy to the "Description" of a phone and only had the definition you wouldn't be wrong for calling those various items (differentiations) a Telephone.

-Slight Tangent- Speaking of descriptions and definitions and alluding to the Paut Neteru's Form/Functional relationship to Neter (in its application to the mind of man ..who IS :hearts4: )

Numbers (abstract containers) are even a cyclical system of quantification but its utility is in assisting the mind (organic navigational system) in providing a framework/scale for adjusting values.

In Shekhem Ur Shekhems small, journal like, book: "Not out of Greece" He discusses the error of early logicians; treating numbers as if they were "Things" instead of categories. He continues by noting the phenomenon with which the mathematical language is concerned:

1)Discreet things with no fixed size, no fixed weight, nor form uniformity (Stones , Sticks, Holes ect)

2) Discreet things with no fixed size, no fixed weight, but WITH form uniformity. (apples , lemons , pigs ect)

3) Indiscreet things (Sand, land, water, Flour)

4) Discreet events (periodicity, Solar and lunar cycles http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_R._Dewey)

5) Discreet things of which, the parts exhibit proportional relationships between each other and the whole ( the bodies of animals , ect)

The same numbers represent all of the above but do not share in their attributes.

This is easy for fixed systems but not so easy for perceptions , concepts, ideas within our sphere of awareness and specifically interpersonal experience (While we talking all this talk about Unity). If our relationships could be facilitated to a science using just mathematics (a language) there would be no subjectivity or grey areas and our ideas about words like "Love" or "Freedom" would have rigid and finite characteristics (We would be in a binary program Holodeck or something/ a deterministic system).

Your stance "appears" to be a side effect and attempt to rectify those(Re-ligare them to ONE GOD) who have taken for face value and perverted the profound interdependent wholeness of Neter/Neteru which are, as a particle and wave are suggested in "Quantum Entanglement," NEITHER. This concept of duality Maati ..Two truths.. Sma Taui..Nummo are reoccuring themes in African civilization.

(Are you saying our ancestors could'nt conceptualize on these levels in their cosmogonies)
How would it compromise everything you have built up to *now* to seek its invaluable relationship instead of its difference?

Considering the years you must have spent building this stance that purports a dichotomization of Neter and Neteru, it might be a non-sequitur in and of itself to provide you with a reasonable answer.

Nevertheless...The purpose of the Metu Neter (Presented by Shekhem ur Shekhem Ra Un Nefer Amen) has no-thing, emphatically, to do with the Monotheistic worship of Neter.

Sekhet Hetepu

So clarify for us what is the difference between “Neter” and “Neteru”?

In my study of this “Neter” is a reference to the ONE Supreme Being and “Neteru” is a reference to a company of demigods and demigoddesses, servants of or lesser then “Neter”.

“Neter” is the original Egyptian reference in expressing “Monotheism” and “Neteru” is the original Egyptian reference for expressing “Polytheism”.

So what’s your take on it?

Peace and Love.

Another way to understand the difference between Neter and Neteru is,

You have your body as a whole with all its hosts of functions and systems.

Then you could also speak of systems within that whole such as your circulatory system, your respiratory system, your nervous system.

This is why the word 'polytheism' should be carefully used. The same functions that are Neteru in one tradition become angels or messengers from the standpoint of another tradition, when viewed by people who didn't have this understanding.

For example, Kemetic priest could write that, for example,
Maat was the first thing that was created, but then in another book say that Shu and Tefnut were the first aspects which were created, and, due to the nature of the subject matter, this would not be a contradiction.


Study your old testament; compare the various names of God
(Jehovah Nisse, Jehovah Jirei; El Chaddai, Elyon, etc.) and you
compare these side by side with the names of God as listed in
the other Hebrew books, and you will find that some of these
'names of God' were at one time attributed to what some people would call
'Gods' or 'demigods' in other systems (for example those sons of Ham which lived in Canaan, Cyprus, etc. from whom the "Hebrews" inherited writing, and other skills).


Because of not understanding this way of presenting spiritual reality, or because of only being at a certain level of insight or growth, one might look at these "neteru" or "deities" or "buddhas" or "orishas" or "elohim" or whatever concepts, and fail to see the unity.

Remember the writers of these old texts encountered a great challenge in describing these realities which could not be fully contained in words and symbols. How else do you discuss something that is infinite, and has infinite ways of manifestation? You have to make up your own nouns! You use metaphors, abstractions.

Take amen, in normal language means that which is hidden. But when you talk about Amen, That Which Is Hidden, an aspect of God, that is different. This way of describing things or talking about spiritual reality is totally foreign to the line of thought about God which has been presented in our Brother Music Producer's post.

So when they say RA was a person, if you really study, that is not talking about a person any more than the concept of Maat is talking about a person who lived somewhere at sometime and then died.

Maat corresponds to, what people would call, Law or Spiritual Law, etc. You could call it a Neter or you could look at it as an aspect of reality (a function of the One).

Which concept works better to help you to understand and work with it? And what if this Law could speak to you on a personal level? It's real no matter if you call it an angel or whatever. Or a principle of physics or whatever.

So then you have ra and then you have Ra. Keep in mind that these books were translated, and that the first translators did not always understand classical African civilizations (or were not people who strove for spiritual elevation and understanding) themselves. So the word that was translated as "God" or "Gods" from Ugaritic, Kemetic, ancient Dravidian, etc. doesn't have the same meaning as the word God or Gods according to mainstream definition.

So we need to inspect what we mean by polytheism, and were did the term come from, and how it relates to Monotheism.

Remember there are people who stated that they are Monotheists but do not strive for and cannot see any connection between themselves and nature; cannot see that they are One with other people; cannot see that the health of their body is One with their mental state.

Thank you MeNefer and Enensa Aunghk for sharing your profound wisdom it is greatly appreciated.

And thanks Mr. MP for drawing such profound wisdom out of folks.

:peace:

What is the correct path, yielding to Neter or yielding to Neteru?

What is the correct path, yielding to Neter or yielding to Neteru?

Depends on your frame of reference (inductive premise).

Respectfully, you have considered other factors that you validated through a model of inquiry that established sound facts along with the plausibility of certain theories (Since "History," like memory or "The Rashomon Effect" is not an *absolute* hard science) See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rashomon_effect The film, *Rashomon,* has an unusual narrative structure that reflects the impossibility of obtaining the truth about an event when there are conflicting witness accounts. In English and other languages, 'Rashomon' has become a byword for any situation in which the truth of an event is difficult to verify due to the conflicting accounts of different witnesses. In psychology, the film has lent its name to the 'Rashomon effect'.

Your/my inductive premise was framed via these processes by which your deductive rigor always seeks to validate ( sometimes fanatically).

Through my own studies I have "Adopted" a frame of reference which chracterizes how I will shape and be influenced through my perceptual modalities. (Paut Neteru)

With that said ....my response to your question IS:

Neteru "IS" the path to yielding to Neter...The Journey IS the Destination...The Future IS the past and the Present...The Alpha IS the Omega..ect

Neteru "IS" the path to yielding to Neter...The Journey IS the Destination...The Future IS the past and the Present...The Alpha IS the Omega..ect


So if Neter expresses creation of all things and Neteru expresses creation of all things which one do you believe and follow?

So if Neter expresses creation of all things and Neteru expresses creation of all things which one do you believe and follow?

Not trying to be facetious

So if a Particle expresses the function of light and a Wave expresses the function of light which one do I accept and establish as REAL? :sand:


Maybe you think I'm purposely being cryptic ..let me reflect on your allusion to Chap 6 of Metu Neter:

*BEFORE* (actually time doesnt exist and Before is now but the mind of man craves concretion wheeew) creation can begin , the supreme "Being" (the author talked about his reasoning behind using "Being" ;asserting the fact that he is not speaking of a humunculus patriarchal singularity) must first make "Objective" its *Qualities/Neteru* of Being ("Sphere" 0...Atum "No-thing"..Amen.."Hidden" ect reductio ad infinitum)

Not only does the "Creator" bring himself into objectivity AS "the Creator" Ausar...(an attribute.... Identity..a FORM of my quality of being 1) but also objectified its other attributes which it was indistinguishably Homogenized with 2, hence ...HIDDEN.

It may seem complex ...but that is only in explanation cause like the Architect stated on "The Matrix" to Neo ..."Apropos as you have gathered the Anomaly is systemic *Creating FLUCTUATIONS in the most simplistic equations*

This is more than Anthropology or theology or egyptology or psychology ..Historicity ad nauseum (hey ...now theres your Neteru worshipers)

But unless we can get pass the Exoteric/Esoteric Chasm ...I will probably forfeit at this point ....Thanks Bro MP

What is the correct path, yielding to Neter or yielding to Neteru?

If you are asking that question you have not read Men Nefer's post or my previous post.

If you are asking that question you have not read Men Nefer's post or my previous post.

Could be a matter of mental processing. And I don't mean it to be an insult of intelligence, but besides the uncommon concepts You guys are talking about. (when is the last time you you shot the breeze about wave and particle energy or the concept of time being an illusion or what conception was created first Maat or Shu and Tefnut oh but it wouldn't matter cause of the nature of Maat, Shu and Tefnut, and time actually not existing cause the only real reality is the present. No wait the present is gone already 'past' so that only leaves the future. I could go on but That fact of the matter is, if you don't stay open minded and objective(no blind faith) Someone can read your posts 100xs and still not 'see' the meaning you are trying to come across. Therefore still inquiring about the priceless knowledge we sometime take for granted. (hey some folks are home right now waiting for you know who to come knocking and save them from you know what and take them to you where :lol: ) :shades:

But again I enjoy reading your posts and unless you can find another site with such similar posts you might as well fulfill that "purpose" here.

It looks like we are trying to dodge the issue. This comes from an Egyptian Bible as being the specific words of Ra himself………..


THE BOOK OF KNOWING THE EVOLUTIONS OF RA, AND OF OVERTHROWING APEP:
I had union with my closed hand, and I embraced my shadow as a wife, and I poured seed into my own mouth, and I sent forth from myself issue in the form of the gods Shu and Tefnut. Saith my father Nu:

http://www.sacred-texts.com/egy/leg/leg13.htm

As we see Ra makes a reference to ” my father Nu “. This reference by Ra himself automatically places Ra in the Neteru (company of demigods) and removes him from Neter (Supreme Being).

As Ra refers to “my father” this places him in the same category as Sons of GOD, which dictates a lesser, then GOD.

The question is; if the Supreme Being informs you of a condition and then a Son of the Supreme Being informs you of an opposing condition; which one do you follow for correctness and righteousness?

Peace and Love.

I had union with my closed hand, and I embraced my shadow as a wife, and I poured seed into my own mouth, and I sent forth from myself issue in the form of the gods Shu and Tefnut. Saith my father Nu

As we see Ra makes a reference to ” my father Nu “. This reference by Ra himself automatically places Ra in the Neteru (company of demigods) and removes him from Neter (Supreme Being).

I am willing to develope an understanding from your angle (I will just ask questions)

So Nu is Neter?

and Ra is Neteru?

If Neb er tcher (The Son) was a FORM of the creator whom raised his own self out of NU (The Father) then prior to any distinguishable form (Confusion/undifferentiation ) THE CREATOR must have been Neither "Neter"....but this would then make the Paut Neteru ....NETER

"I came into being in the form of Khepera, and I am the creator of what did come into being, that is to say, I formed myself out of the primeval matter, and I made and formed myself out of the substance which existed in primeval time. My name is AUSARES (i.e., Ausar..Neb er tcher), who is the primeval matter of primeval matter." (Is Primeval Matter...Nu?)

(With this in mind we can't even use the Father /Son analogy (Wedge) to establish your basis for deduction)

I am willing to establish a mutual basis (Even if I presently don't except it.... but let it be established in some sort of feasible context at least)



"I made all the things under the forms of which I appeared then by means of the Soul-God which I raised into firmness at that time from out of Nu, from a state of inactivity. " http://destee.com/forums/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=488800

"I came into being from out of primeval matter" (But above the promulgator states he IS the primeval matter of Primeval matter..letting it be NO mistake that He/she IS Neter)

(But maybe you'll say "Thats what Satan does (or Neteru) make you think that they ARE who created them") But you use the same utterances to establish your basis for separating Ra from Neter.

Its a done deal ..I don't see how you can't see it..:spinn:

(Shekhem Ur Shekhem Ra Un Nefer Amen ) Anuk Ausar Pg *69* (ironically) The Author speaks of "Neter" and Duality/Equilibrium ..actually being the basis of *The Law* (Maati= Two truths)

The Author States "All aspects of reality are underlied by the principle of duality. Even at the original level of "Being", the Subjective Realm, the attributes of Neter are dualized into *The material basis of the world -NU- and the immaterial consciousness -Amen, Tem- which wills the world into Being by inducing (raising) matter to assume forms" (primordial copulation..The Flux). (hence the form of Atem Nu or Amen Nu "IS" Neb er tcher/Ausar/Ra/Khepera ect)

The Author goes on to say : "Each of these ( Nu..Amen..Tem) are in a state of inactivity or absolute Equilibrium (NETER mind you). Matter is undifferentiated and consciousness has no-thing (Atum) to percieve (Amen/Hidden) and the will (Ra)is inactive. The world is nothing else but the objective expression of this original duality and equilibrium."

(Parent-thesis/emphasis Mines)

(Shekhem Ur Shekhem Ra Un Nefer Amen ) Anuk Ausar Pg *69* (ironically) The Author speaks of "Neter" and Duality/Equilibrium ..actually being the basis of *The Law* (Maati= Two truths)

The Author States "All aspects of reality are underlied by the principle of duality. Even at the original level of "Being", the Subjective Realm, the attributes of Neter are dualized into *The material basis of the world -NU- and the immaterial consciousness -Amen, Tem- which wills the world into Being by inducing (raising) matter to assume forms" (primordial copulation..The Flux). (hence the form of Atem Nu or Amen Nu "IS" Neb er tcher/Ausar/Ra/Khepera ect)

The Author goes on to say : "Each of these ( Nu..Amen..Tem) are in a state of inactivity or absolute Equilibrium (NETER mind you). Matter is undifferentiated and consciousness has no-thing (Atum) to percieve (Amen/Hidden) and the will (Ra)is inactive. The world is nothing else but the objective expression of this original duality and equilibrium."

(Parent-thesis/emphasis Mines)

Neter no things / neteru specfic parts of neter atum-amen (subjective) re ra physcial (amen-ra) hidden with physcial
subjective and objective existing to gather

Excellent and on the money menefer. Exisitence is of what u speak. However i have come to the conclusion that sum are not in a postion to accept exisitence. They must continue to be live. Or get stuck in theories. The personification of existence as is the neters is an example of this as well. sum cannot get be yond the personification of the neteru as well (they must continually trivalize allegories and stories). What u speak of is what the beautiful elder calls "the perfect night" Awesome undiffiernated matter having the potential to be any thing. We are all examples of this fact. To brother producer u are correct there is one source from which every thing has it's starting point(subjective). (it) to objectify it as one thing(physical) is incorrect for it has omni potential , omni present, etc is alive and real. However sometimes brother it is my opinion that titles names (theories) get u a little caught up.

Neter no things / neteru specific parts of neter atum-amen (subjective) re ra physical (amen-ra) hidden with physical
subjective and objective existing to gather

Excellent and on the money menefer. Existence is of what u speak. However i have come to the conclusion that sum are not in a position to accept existence. They must continue to be live. Or get stuck in theories. The personification of existence as is the neters is an example of this as well. sum cannot get be yond the personification of the neteru as well (they must continually trivialize allegories and stories). What u speak of is what the beautiful elder calls "the perfect night" Awesome undiffiernated matter having the potential to be any thing. We are all examples of this fact. To brother producer u are correct there is one source from which every thing has it's starting point(subjective). (it) to objectify it as one thing(physical) is incorrect for it has omni potential , omni present, etc is alive and real. However sometimes brother it is my opinion that titles names (theories) get u a little caught up.

I was trying to come up and express what you so eloquently put up above and you conveyed my thoughts and then some.

Thanks

Peace

Excellent and on the money menefer. Exisitence is of what u speak. However i have come to the conclusion that sum are not in a postion to accept exisitence. They must continue to be live. Or get stuck in theories. The personification of existence as is the neters is an example of this as well. sum cannot get be yond the personification of the neteru as well (they must continually trivalize allegories and stories). What u speak of is what the beautiful elder calls "the perfect night" Awesome undiffiernated matter having the potential to be any thing. We are all examples of this fact. To brother producer u are correct there is one source from which every thing has it's starting point(subjective). (it) to objectify it as one thing(physical) is incorrect for it has omni potential , omni present, etc is alive and real.


However sometimes brother it is my opinion that titles names (theories) get u a little caught up.[/QUOTE]

-That is where religion was originally supposed to come in. A body of knowledge and practices that would allow you to 'tie back' or 'yoke' you back with this Neter by providing you with instructions on how to interact directly with Neter the way you interact with someone sitting beside you. To keep from keep from getting caught up with titles, names and theories, remember our ancestors were trying to explain things that could not be fully contained in words concepts and theory. So that is why there were these parables, metaphors, etc. That is why there were teachers, ancestors, and a whole society within which you would be able to test the concepts.

Some experiences are best described in an abstract metaphorical sense. For example there is a book called the 12 hours of the night (Sesh Em Taut). What the name of the book says to you (In English and in Kemetic) depends on your level of insight into the subject matter of the book. In that one statement, the title of the book there are layers of knowledge, in one sentence it has 3 or four levels of information depending on the student's ability to understand it. So Some books are closed to you if you do not have a certain amount of undertstanding, and some books are only written to pass on specific types of knowledge, at a certain level. If, for example, you understood what the seven churches in Ashiah were talking about in the book of revelations then you could go back to the original document and "read between the lines". Because you have already had some direct experience with it.

And that understanding comes from direct experience. For example when the brother mentioned the one source, yes, we all agreed that it exists, but to come face to face with this one source, and experience it for yourself, is an entirely different thing. That was what spiritual teachings were supposed to do, to allow you to do certain things where you could enter in direct relationship with this Neter that expresses itself through Neteru, ancestors, other people, the experiences that you have in life, etc.


And so the purpose of the Metu Neter also has to do with allowing you to understand who we are so that you can go back home and verfiy for yourself. So you can begin to understand Divine Law yourself, based on having lived it. For example If I went and studied physics and discovered how to build a car or some device, and went and explained these laws to you,
then you could go home and test these things for yourself and replicate the results I got.

So to get past the theory, etc. and really understand Ra, etc. you have to have a system, which was left behind by those who treaded that path before you, you have to have a system, a body of knowledge, and you must experience it for yourself. That's how to keep from getting caught up.

I am willing to develope an understanding from your angle (I will just ask questions)

So Nu is Neter?

and Ra is Neteru?

If Neb er tcher (The Son) was a FORM of the creator whom raised his own self out of NU (The Father) then prior to any distinguishable form (Confusion/undifferentiation ) THE CREATOR must have been Neither "Neter"....but this would then make the Paut Neteru ....NETER

"I came into being in the form of Khepera, and I am the creator of what did come into being, that is to say, I formed myself out of the primeval matter, and I made and formed myself out of the substance which existed in primeval time. My name is AUSARES (i.e., Ausar..Neb er tcher), who is the primeval matter of primeval matter." (Is Primeval Matter...Nu?)

(With this in mind we can't even use the Father /Son analogy (Wedge) to establish your basis for deduction)

I am willing to establish a mutual basis (Even if I presently don't except it.... but let it be established in some sort of feasible context at least)



"I made all the things under the forms of which I appeared then by means of the Soul-God which I raised into firmness at that time from out of Nu, from a state of inactivity. " http://destee.com/forums/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=488800

"I came into being from out of primeval matter" (But above the promulgator states he IS the primeval matter of Primeval matter..letting it be NO mistake that He/she IS Neter)

(But maybe you'll say "Thats what Satan does (or Neteru) make you think that they ARE who created them") But you use the same utterances to establish your basis for separating Ra from Neter.

Its a done deal ..I don't see how you can't see it..:spinn:

(With this in mind we can't even use the Father /Son analogy (Wedge) to establish your basis for deduction)

The problem is I am not the one who uses the “Father/Son analogy”, it is Ra himself that does so through referring to “Nu as his Father”.

So once again we are back to square 1 and will be as long as you dodge the core philosophy of the demigods themselves.

The question is; if the Supreme Being informs you of a condition and then a Son of the Supreme Being informs you of an opposing condition; which one do you follow for correctness and righteousness?


Peace and Love.

My person is willing to capitulate.

My person will assume your inductive premise (Focus predominately on the Chasm) and follow the logic with your person.

The question is; if the Supreme Being informs you of a condition and then a Son of the Supreme Being informs you of an opposing condition; which one do you follow for correctness and righteousness?

My person would logically follow the Supreme Being. I would not even question why the son of the supreme being is offering an opposing view(as long as I am in alignment with the Supreme Being) but I would be extreemly leary of the sons intentions.

My person is willing to capitulate.

My person will assume your inductive premise (Focus predominately on the Chasm) and follow the logic with your person.



My person would logically follow the Supreme Being. I would not even question why the son of the supreme being is offering an opposing view(as long as I am in alignment with the Supreme Being) but I would be extreemly leary of the sons intentions.
Thank you for answering the question. As scholars and people of study we should first be willing to display the difference between good and evil towards The Universe.


I would be extreemly leary of the sons intentions.


Well, remember that duality thingy you were talking about?

Due to the reality that the Supreme Being can have no equal we must be exposed to a non-equal and lesser duality. This becomes the intent of demigods and goddesses.


Isa:14:14: I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.


We see the exact same intent in the Dogon Song between Amma and the Ogo. We also see it in the KJV Bible between YHVH ALHYM and Jesus. We see this in several Egyptian Bibles such as mans struggle against Ra because he was old and dribbled spittle from his mouth (from the point of view of Ra worshipers), then we see it between Ra and Apep.

We would all naturally lean on the Supreme Being but the Supreme Being had to create resistance to that and make it a challenge, thus the manifestation of Sons of GOD etc….etc.

Peace and Love.

Thank you for answering the question. As scholars and people of study we should first be willing to display the difference between good and evil towards The Universe.



Well, remember that duality thingy you were talking about?

Due to the reality that the Supreme Being can have no equal we must be exposed to a non-equal and lesser duality. This becomes the intent of demigods and goddesses.


Isa:14:14: I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.


We see the exact same intent in the Dogon Song between Amma and the Ogo. We also see it in the KJV Bible between YHVH ALHYM and Jesus. We see this in several Egyptian Bibles such as mans struggle against Ra because he was old and dribbled spittle from his mouth (from the point of view of Ra worshipers), then we see it between Ra and Apep.

We would all naturally lean on the Supreme Being but the Supreme Being had to create resistance to that and make it a challenge, thus the manifestation of Sons of GOD etc….etc.

Peace and Love.

Using your scientific mind could you explain how the physical universe all got started?

:qqb003:

Music Producer,

could you please explain to me what you mean when you say that
the Supreme Being can have no equal?

Thank you

We can clamor on all day about idealisms, events, truths, and even facts. It helps to do this in a way. For those who are at the climax of their own truth, NOW is the time to not let anyone "make" you think about anything. SIMPLE, huh? Think about what you've accepted as universal truth about SELF. Think about how you FEEL. Think about your attributes, qualities, and skills. Think about your family, immediate and extended. Think about the moment because it will pass with every debate and every argument.

Let's Build! Action! No Lights, No Camera. This is what Men Nefer is all about. Ancient Africans were builders, alchemists, Kings, Queens, Magicians, guards, Priests, Cooks, artists, and most of all Men and Women with powerful attributes. These attributes lay dormant in your very genes. So, wake up! This is what Sesostris, Zoser, Imhotep, Ramses, Tehuti, Khnum, Seshat, Tiy, Isis, Ankenaton, and many more were about. PRODUCTIVITY. LEISURE.

The same things our Kingly Chromosome-carrying grandmothers been telling us for generations...

"If you don't work, you don't eat." "Work before you play." "Only speak when spoken to." "Eat your vegetables." "Pull those pants up." "Go to school." "Quit crying and toughen up."

Preparing you for the war we all face. The message of dieties, gods, neters, neterts, ancients, old, and new are in the sayings of good Grandmothers.

Using your scientific mind could you explain how the physical universe all got started?

:qqb003:
The Universe has always existed because it is the Womb of Amma/The Supreme Being/Neter etc... Even in the Egyptian language “Neter” means “Eternal” thus as for The Universe itself there is no “got started”.

Things inside of The Universe/GOD got started when Amma decided to give birth to the stars, planets a system of physics and existence. The Dogon Song suggest this birth of all physical things originated from the Sirius system and it is the center of The Universe and the origin in which several groups of stars and planets circle around.

In other words it is the Egg or the Beben.

Peace and Love.

Music Producer,

could you please explain to me what you mean when you say that
the Supreme Being can have no equal?

Thank you
Then it would no longer be “Supreme”.

“Supreme” is defined as absolute in all ways even existence thus there can be no equal or it would no longer fit the meaning of “Supreme Being”.

Peace and Love.

Excellent and on the money menefer. Exisitence is of what u speak. However i have come to the conclusion that sum are not in a postion to accept exisitence. They must continue to be live. Or get stuck in theories. The personification of existence as is the neters is an example of this as well. sum cannot get be yond the personification of the neteru as well (they must continually trivalize allegories and stories). What u speak of is what the beautiful elder calls "the perfect night" Awesome undiffiernated matter having the potential to be any thing. We are all examples of this fact. To brother producer u are correct there is one source from which every thing has it's starting point(subjective). (it) to objectify it as one thing(physical) is incorrect for it has omni potential , omni present, etc is alive and real.


However sometimes brother it is my opinion that titles names (theories) get u a little caught up.

-That is where religion was originally supposed to come in. A body of knowledge and practices that would allow you to 'tie back' or 'yoke' you back with this Neter by providing you with instructions on how to interact directly with Neter the way you interact with someone sitting beside you. To keep from keep from getting caught up with titles, names and theories, remember our ancestors were trying to explain things that could not be fully contained in words concepts and theory. So that is why there were these parables, metaphors, etc. That is why there were teachers, ancestors, and a whole society within which you would be able to test the concepts.

Some experiences are best described in an abstract metaphorical sense. For example there is a book called the 12 hours of the night (Sesh Em Taut). What the name of the book says to you (In English and in Kemetic) depends on your level of insight into the subject matter of the book. In that one statement, the title of the book there are layers of knowledge, in one sentence it has 3 or four levels of information depending on the student's ability to understand it. So Some books are closed to you if you do not have a certain amount of undertstanding, and some books are only written to pass on specific types of knowledge, at a certain level. If, for example, you understood what the seven churches in Ashiah were talking about in the book of revelations then you could go back to the original document and "read between the lines". Because you have already had some direct experience with it.

And that understanding comes from direct experience. For example when the brother mentioned the one source, yes, we all agreed that it exists, but to come face to face with this one source, and experience it for yourself, is an entirely different thing. That was what spiritual teachings were supposed to do, to allow you to do certain things where you could enter in direct relationship with this Neter that expresses itself through Neteru, ancestors, other people, the experiences that you have in life, etc.


And so the purpose of the Metu Neter also has to do with allowing you to understand who we are so that you can go back home and verfiy for yourself. So you can begin to understand Divine Law yourself, based on having lived it. For example If I went and studied physics and discovered how to build a car or some device, and went and explained these laws to you,
then you could go home and test these things for yourself and replicate the results I got.

So to get past the theory, etc. and really understand Ra, etc. you have to have a system, which was left behind by those who treaded that path before you, you have to have a system, a body of knowledge, and you must experience it for yourself. That's how to keep from getting caught up.[/QUO




hotep dear sir


interesting response i re member having the same conversation with a muslim brother . He stated the same as u in regards to systems and them being in place to suit the purposes of education direction or re ligion as u correctly stated. However once it is recognized that the stories methaphors and allegories are what they are. It is vital for us to step out of our infancy stage of development and begin to recognize reality for what it is not what makes us comfortable because we are used to it. The warm blanket must be lifted off of us so to speak. I have no problems with systems. But how long must we stay linked with mythology after we recognized it for what it really is. why was it so hard for our ancestors to teach us this system that they had to put it into fairy tales and personify pieces of the all. Was there desire to keep us asleep forever? I understand that every thing is not for everyone as well. Sometimes i just gotta put it out there to re mind some of my brothers and sisters. Thanks for the response to my post i look forward to future dialouge with you.

The Universe has always existed because it is the Womb of Amma/The Supreme Being/Neter etc... Even in the Egyptian language “Neter” means “Eternal” thus as for The Universe itself there is no “got started”.

Things inside of The Universe/GOD got started when Amma decided to give birth to the stars, planets a system of physics and existence. The Dogon Song suggest this birth of all physical things originated from the Sirius system and it is the center of The Universe and the origin in which several groups of stars and planets circle around.

In other words it is the Egg or the Beben.

Peace and Love.

The key words in my question was 'scientific' and 'things' . Things like gravity, heat, elements like helium and hydrogen come into play. Events like explosions and black holes take place. Or didn't they ?

Your question is too vague to answer in our language or on our level.
Let me check, You did ask how the "physical universe" got started, correct?
To answer this question like a true teacher, which is thoroughly, on ewould have to provide facts and not just another big bang theory. The History channel plays a show called The Universe, seen it? It explains a lot of the elemental qualities of space and beyond, showing pictures and giving recorded data from events.

However, for a black man to answer a question about the universe, he must either study at the equivalent of a college astronomer or become a highlt spiritual person to recieve this out-formation. Using the Periodic Table, you can almost put together your own universe, mentally, after studying the necessary qualities to sustain life. The creator of the universe, i'm almost certain, is not concerned with the physicality of it all. The spirit is where your answer is. Not in some theoretical answer from man. Ya dig?

The key words in my question was 'scientific' and 'things' . Things like gravity, heat, elements like helium and hydrogen come into play. Events like explosions and black holes take place. Or didn't they ?
Those things would be the Nummo. It becomes difficult to explain but physics such as explosions, gravity etc…were created by the Supreme Being through the Nummo.

Gravity being the same anywhere in the Universe becomes a Nummo factor. Our reality is based on Nummo factors; this is why the O-Nummo is called master of the universe because Amma/GOD set through its molecular structure to govern aspects of reality, aspects of the physical universe.

Peace and Love.

The Nummo can be looked at as elements of the Universe that are made up of core or root elements.

The Pale Fox gets more into this concept and it would be best if you read the book for yourself to get a clear understanding of the Dogon Song.

But be advised it is difficult reading.

http://www.amazon.com/Pale-Fox-M-Griaule/dp/0939118025/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/002-6676406-6064845?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1191000478&sr=1-1

Peace and Love.

Your question is too vague to answer in our language or on our level.

It was a fair and very objective (as opposed to vague) question did you at least try to think thru an answer to my question on your particular level?

Is this level you speak of higher or lower than the constructs of my question?

In previous conversations I've had with M.P. He talked of his way of thinking things out scientifically I'll have to check, but I believe he said he too did not rely on blind faith. And we are talking about the beginning correct?

Let me check, You did ask how the "physical universe" got started, correct?
To answer this question like a true teacher, which is thoroughly, on ewould have to provide facts (in other words Truth)

and not just another big bang theory. The History channel plays a show called The Universe, seen it? It explains a lot of the elemental qualities of space and beyond, showing pictures and giving recorded data from events.

However, for a black man to answer a question about the universe, he must either study at the equivalent of a college astronomer or become a highlt spiritual person to recieve this out-formation.

Lets not assume the Black men in this thread don't fit either of 'your' criteria


Using the Periodic Table, you can almost put together your own universe, mentally, after studying the necessary qualities to sustain life. The creator of the universe, i'm almost certain, is not concerned with the physicality of it all. The spirit is where your answer is. Not in some theoretical answer from man. Ya dig?

Why would you make these particular assumptions about thee Creator?

Peace

Those things would be the Nummo. It becomes difficult to explain but physics such as explosions, gravity etc…were created by the Supreme Being through the Nummo.

Gravity being the same anywhere in the Universe becomes a Nummo factor. Our reality is based on Nummo factors; this is why the O-Nummo is called master of the universe because Amma/GOD set through its molecular structure to govern aspects of reality, aspects of the physical universe.

Peace and Love.

You can't believe the gravity based on the chain of events (after effects of a exploding star )that happen in the phenomena of a black hole is the same as here on Earth.??????

To understand the wisdom of our ancestors wouldn't we need to match the stories up to what is going on in our reality?

Ra Un Nefer Amen did an incredible job of this.

Is there still in any wonder of the 'Purpose' of the Medu Neter ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ???????????????????????

If there is thats OK too. lets cont. the constructive dialog.

You can't believe the gravity based on the chain of events (after effects of a exploding star )that happen in the phenomena of a black hole is the same as here on Earth.??????

You miss-understood what I said. I mean gravity is the same no matter where you are in the Universe, gravity is a constant. You can drop a hammer and a feather on the moon and they will hit the ground at the same time because gravity is a constant factor that governs our existence. This is only one of the forces man has discovered that is constant throughout the Universe.


To understand the wisdom of our ancestors wouldn't we need to match the stories up to what is going on in our reality?

I think Akhenaten did an excellent job of that in writing the Holy Scriptures.

Deut:28:48: Therefore shalt thou serve thine enemies which the LORD shall send against thee, in hunger, and in thirst, and in nakedness, and in want of all things: and he shall put a yoke of iron upon thy neck, until he have destroyed thee.

You can’t get anymore detailed then that without changing the future itself. Those verses speaks to every African that is a descendant of slaves and in a land that is not theirs and serves the very same people that enslaved our ancestors.


Ra Un Nefer Amen did an incredible job of this.

I disagree.


Is there still in any wonder of the 'Purpose' of the Metu Neter ???????????????

To make someone rich and powerful and keep Africans in the same old worshiping of flesh that caused us to eventually fall in the first place.

The worship of Osiris is the same as the worship of Jesus it is simply a more ancient form.

Peace and Love.

To make someone rich and powerful and keep Africans in the same old worshiping of flesh that caused us to eventually fall in the first place.

The worship of Osiris is the same as the worship of Jesus it is simply a more ancient form.

Peace and Love.

Greetings:

Can you show (honestly) within the Metu Neter the structural/textual inadequacies that keep one worshiping the flesh? ( at least For the sake of Forum activity and exposure:shades: )

I say this because you stated in the beginning of the forum that it's purpose was to guide one to the Supreme Being...Ok I'll cite: http://destee.com/forums/showpost.php?p=446016&postcount=1

It begs the question: What is YOUR purpose?

Are we to discuss whether that is the purpose or not?

If it's not, are we to agree that the forum topic has no significant relevance?

I have already acknowledged your tangent as a frame of reference unique to your background studies and interpretation of ancient text.

Hetep

Then it would no longer be “Supreme”.

“Supreme” is defined as absolute in all ways even existence thus there can be no equal or it would no longer fit the meaning of “Supreme Being”.

Peace and Love.
The paradox reveals itself ( Like the anomaly existing between The Architect and Oracle ...NEO)

If a Supreme Being were Absolute in all ways, then encoded within it's formless consciousness/Will would be the capacity to completly Oppose itself; bringing about the neutrality of its essence hence Duality, and logically (outside of the limitations, conceptually, of a beginning or an ending) causing the bark within Nu to objectify itself as itself through a manifold of agencies that oppose and complement as well ..............on down to Male and Female. Hetep

Greetings:

Can you show (honestly) within the Metu Neter the structural/textual inadequacies that keep one worshiping the flesh? ( at least For the sake of Forum activity and exposure:shades: )

I say this because you stated in the beginning of the forum that it's purpose was to guide one to the Supreme Being...Ok I'll cite: http://destee.com/forums/showpost.php?p=446016&postcount=1

It begs the question: What is YOUR purpose?

Are we to discuss whether that is the purpose or not?

If it's not, are we to agree that the forum topic has no significant relevance?

I have already acknowledged your tangent as a frame of reference unique to your background studies and interpretation of ancient text.

Hetep

Can you show (honestly) within the Metu Neter the structural/textual inadequacies that keep one worshiping the flesh? ( at least For the sake of Forum activity and exposure )

Chapter 17, Deities of the Metu Neter. Does not the book teach one to meditate on and through these deities?

If I were you I would first take the time out to read the actual ancient Egyptian Bibles that contain actions and words of these deities before I would start accepting them as your god or salvation. Remember the Supreme Being uses other Nations to judge and chastise us when we go astray. What you see in the Metu Neter is what the last of the tribes left in Egypt were practicing when another Nation such as Rome became conquers.


I say this because you stated in the beginning of the forum that it's purpose was to guide one to the Supreme Being...Ok I'll cite: http://destee.com/forums/showpost.ph...16&postcount=1

It can but most get stuck in one of the lower spheres and from that point of view they become adversarial to the Supreme Being.


It begs the question: What is YOUR purpose?

To show the black man he will never be greater then the god he worships. If you worship a suffering white man hanging on a cross then that is what you will be. If you worship a mummified man that was cut into peaces and is dead then that is what you will be. If you worship a demigoddess that poisoned a great king then that is what you will be.

Remember Osirinism is what the last of the tribes were practicing when Rome took over and we became subjects of the Roman Empire.


Are we to discuss whether that is the purpose or not?

If it's not, are we to agree that the forum topic has no significant relevance?

I have already acknowledged your tangent as a frame of reference unique to your background studies and interpretation of ancient text.

Let us understand that the Metu Neter as written by Ra Un Nefer fails to inform the reader of the difference between good and evil towards The Universe and that is why most get trapped in lower spheres.

Shouldn’t this be the primary objective of any religious scholar?

In my years of studying ideologies from ancient Africa all the way up to the New Testament there is a consistency that The Supreme Being created resistance, opposition and adversarial forces to Itself in order to challenge the loyalty of humans. In most of these ideologies these forces are called Sons of GOD.

The job of the Sons of GOD is to prove us, divide us and separate us from those that serve the Supreme Being only and those that do not.

Maybe that’s the Duality you are expressing. The Supreme Being and the Sons of the Supreme Being. When we worship Sons of GOD we amplify the negative energies, which manifest in the form of war, famine, death, destruction, oppression etc… Worshiping anything less then the Supreme Being amplifies these negative aspects of existence.

Peace and Love.

However sometimes brother it is my opinion that titles names (theories) get u a little caught up.

:bullseye:

Can you show (honestly) within the Metu Neter the structural/textual inadequacies that keep one worshiping the flesh?
No he can't show it honestly. The best he can do is to sling mud based on false premises (e.g., Metu Neter was plagiarized from white people) and faulty assumptions (folk are "serving" Ra or some other "demigod",etc.) and make vague references which in no way support his position.
It begs the question: What is YOUR purpose?
To continue blowing off steam that built up as a result of a series of beatdowns he took last year a