Purpose of Metu Neter:

The overall purpose of Metu Neter as written by Ra Nu Nefer Amen is to discover ways of reaching an understanding, unity and ones with the Being of Sphere 0, which turns you into a Monotheist.

i thought it was to annoy you..........:slobber:

Purpose of Metu Neter:

The overall purpose of Metu Neter as written by Ra Nu Nefer Amen is to discover ways of reaching an understanding, unity and ones with the Being of Sphere 0, which turns you into a Monotheist.


instead of learning and incorporating it into your truth system-maat--. your hunger and thirst for the orgin of monothesism and god will continue to mislead u. please open your heart and mind to the orgin of spirituality and i am not saying that the metu neter is the origin of spirtuality. i am speaking of cosmonology the order of things . i am speaking of my ancestors whom where once flesh and the prodeccesors of matter as we no it ie atomic structures spatial matter etc. our connection with animals nature etc was embraced not rejected as you are taught in america now .true music producer all of the parts equal a whole. our ancestors developed a format that would enable an identity to be assigned to the aspects of existence un seen. the path of the meter neter is designed to allow u to directly live according the laws of neters or nature. however one must go through all of the parts to get to the whole. our ancestors knew not belived that there were the manifestation of the creator in flesh and dedicated thier lives to live according to the laws prescribed by the hidden intelligene amen. this hidden intelligence is resposible for every expression of it on the planet. it is also responsible for every manifestation of it in the uni verse(one of many) no man can give this understanding to u. It must and only can be obtained on your own. only by listening carefully to mother neteru can this be obtained. however throught your search u should not be suprised that u will find correlations to your holy scriptures within our doctrine because our spiritual was system was misunderstood at best by the levtical priest(the jebusties) hittes horites etc

one must go through all of the parts to get to the whole.

I am already at the level you are trying to achieve; my reaching that level of Ones, Understanding and Knowledge of the Being of Sphere 0 was reached through this path and belief………….

Jn:14:6: Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

Why would I want to go back to serving, worshiping, meditating on, or uplifting any deity, demigod or lesser god that is theologically, historically and confesses to be less than GOD?

I have already achieved the journey you are on and that is to reach Unity with the Being of Sphere 0, GOD.

The fact that you believe the Metu Neter is the only way to Sphere 0 shows that you haven’t even begun your journey. You are about at the point in your journey as to where Servants of Jesus believe Jesus is the only way to GOD but you are doing it with the Metu Neter or some form of Egyptian theology. GOD is the Supreme Being thus IT must be Universal like numbers.

Purpose of Metu Neter:

The overall purpose of Metu Neter as written by Ra Nu Nefer Amen is to discover ways of reaching an understanding, unity and ones with the Being of Sphere 0, which turns you into a Monotheist.

ROFL!!!

Did the author of Metu Neter pee in your Cheerios or something? Is that what this relentless campaign of lies and slander is all about?

ROFL!!!

Did the author of Metu Neter pee in your Cheerios or something? Is that what this relentless campaign of lies and slander is all about?
What is the absolute objective for studying Metu Neter as written by Ra Nu Nefer Amen?

Is it not to reach the Spiritual Level and Understanding of Sphere 0?

I am already at the level you are trying to achieve; my reaching that level of Ones, Understanding and Knowledge of the Being of Sphere 0 was reached through this path and belief………….

Jn:14:6: Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

Why would I want to go back to serving, worshiping, meditating on, or uplifting any deity, demigod or lesser god that is theologically, historically and confesses to be less than GOD?

I have already achieved the journey you are on and that is to reach Unity with the Being of Sphere 0, GOD.

The fact that you believe the Metu Neter is the only way to Sphere 0 shows that you haven’t even begun your journey. You are about at the point in your journey as to where Servants of Jesus believe Jesus is the only way to GOD but you are doing it with the Metu Neter or some form of Egyptian theology. GOD is the Supreme Being thus IT must be Universal like numbers.


forget it your dna is not ready or you are personally choosing to reject it . it does not matter brother it is your choice and that is what is important. good luck to u.

Why focus so much on something that one does not care about? It makes you look very petty.

This dude spends far more time trying to convince us what another system that he does not agree with is, than talking about his own beliefs.

What is the purpose of the Bible? Isn't that what he believes in?

The Purpose of the Bible is to achieve understanding, accepting, knowledge and ones with GOD. Just as the purpose of Metu Neter as written by Ra Nu Nefer Amen is to achieve understanding, accepting, knowledge and ones with GOD (Sphere 0).

Why do you reject people that have achieved what you are striving for?

Don’t you understand that GOD is Universal and my achieving ones through Service to Jesus is no different from you achieving understanding of GOD through the Ennead?

Once anyone, anyone achieves Sphere 0 they will automatically appear as the enemy to those that continue to strive for that Ones because from Sphere 0 one reaches the understanding that GOD is the Supreme Being of Absolute Power and Authority which causes all other lesser gods to pine away. They are elusions, inventions of men and this is what GOD desires you to reach before your death. Most people never even start such a journey, so you should be proud that you have even begun.

Due to the evasion of a very serious question I asked, I will ask it again.


What is the absolute objective for studying Metu Neter as written by Ra Nu Nefer Amen?

What is the absolute objective for studying Metu Neter as written by Ra Nu Nefer Amen?

Is it not to reach the Spiritual Level and Understanding of Sphere 0?
Mr. Amen has presented one path out of many...now we see it for what it really is...a path to a destination represented by 'sphere 0' and such...but ragardless of that i will take elements from other paths and incorporate it into my own journey.

and since we now have a common comprehension of a subject I know it is time to share ideas/concepts/ spiritual ways with one another peacefully..perhaps those posts will be as long as the ones that are full of debates?....:look:

and since we now have a common comprehension of a subject I know it is time to share ideas/concepts/ spiritual ways with one another peacefully..perhaps those posts will be as long as the ones that are full of debates?....:look:

What common comprehension? He is so far off base, that it's not funny. But that's not atypical for him.

Sphere-1 is not adversarial to Sphere-0. That's non-sense, and he continues to prove that he has not even read the material, let alone understood it.

PEACE

Who said they were adversarial?

The spheres are not adversarial, they exist as the Supreme Being intended for them to exist. What becomes adversarial are the people that are trapped in the lower spheres and will do anything against anyone to sustain their worship inside that sphere just as Servants of Jesus are trapped inside of his sphere. Your religious, spirituality must advance, not set still or become stagnated as we traverse our way to entering the understanding of the Sphere of GOD or Nu, the Essence that made the gods.


What common comprehension? He is so far off base, that it's not funny.

As you being a study of Metu Neter as written by Mr. Amen, what is your own personal perception of the overall objective and purpose of his book, what does it cause one to strive for?

Who said they were adversarial?

The spheres are not adversarial, they exist as the Supreme Being intended for them to exist. What becomes adversarial are the people that are trapped in the lower spheres and will do anything against anyone to sustain their worship inside that sphere just as Servants of Jesus are trapped inside of his sphere. Your religious, spirituality must advance, not set still or become stagnated as we traverse our way to entering the understanding of the Sphere of GOD or Nu, the Essence that made the gods.


As you being a study of Metu Neter as written by Mr. Amen, what is your own personal perception of the overall objective and purpose of his book, what does it cause one to strive for?


the purpose of the metu neter is to reallign your self with mother neter. to be incontrol of your energy in motion and not let your energy in motion control u. We are currently loosing our divinity by the day and just becoming man because we are not using our hu. the story of osiris and set displays the evil or the negative that is in the hearts of every man. set out of pride and anger decided that he should be in control of upper and lower kemet. so he set out to trick osiris etc. hours defeat over set displays a humans ability to over come negative or harmful emotional responses by not giving in to them. set has a purpose and osiris and hours without these individuals the system could not be balanced. The metu neter is one way to remember whom u are as a man of kemetic decent. we are the gods in question the karast or the messiah spoken of in the holy bi bill(this is what we know not belive). the bible has u belive in this supreme essence. every one is a per son mr music. which means through sound you were created. we all come into the world on an even plane being born in water out of the primodal egg(the womb) like RA. we know us and the neteru are the same however your bible teaches u to look up to and fear the creator. I here no such things in our doctrines.There is much knowledge u must obtain and digest sir. however your emotional attachment to your god concept has you in fear of learning new things(to u) about our culture. i would be typing for hours tyring to teach u this concept. however if u continue to read nature or the neters will take care of things on thier own. your cannot hide from the truth .i know u like bibical quotes" in the begginng there was the AMEN (the hidden intelligence)the creation of god"
once again i am done. I leave u in peace

however your bible teaches u to look up to and fear the creator. I here no such things in our doctrines.

I would advise you to start reading Egyptian stories written by Egyptians and you might want to start with “The Destruction of Man Kind”.

You are trying to deify Egyptian History. Ra was a human being, Osiris was a human being, Seth was a human being, the stories of the gods that you are literally trying to gleam understanding are actually historical events that took place between rulers of ancient, ancient Kemet. The method of turning these ancient rulers into gods was simply the method of recording Kemet history so that those Kings would never be forgotten. Egyptologist thought Imhotep was a god before they found he was a living and breathing human being. Just as our ancestors deified Imhotep so did they do with Ra, Osiris and several other deities.

Once Osiris was killed or chopped up he was dead, any other history of him after that event is pure deification by the historians and priests of Kemet. You have failed in distinguishing between true Kemet ancient history and deification of that history.

In the ancient, ancient times before dynastic Egypt we maintained memory of our great kings by deifying them as gods. This method of recording predates Egypt. It is our failure to understand the methods used by our ancestors that has caused us to confuse these historical events with religion. This also became an error of Kemet as we moved further and further away from the time of Ra, the actual human King or Queen we actually began to see Ra as an actual God.

The concept of the Red and White crown had to have been preconceived before Kemet was even Kemet. What are the odds of these two crowns fitting together perfectly and what are the odds that they fit together just like the phallus and uterus?

The entire concept of Egypt was preconceived; it is those people that preconceived Kemet and the crowns that recorded the Kings or Queens as gods.

Now you understand what it means when they say “Ancestral Worship”.

I would advise you to start reading Egyptian stories written by Egyptians and you might want to start with “The Destruction of Man Kind”.

You are trying to deify Egyptian History. Ra was a human being, Osiris was a human being, Seth was a human being, the stories of the gods that you are literally trying to gleam understanding are actually historical events that took place between rulers of ancient, ancient Kemet. The method of turning these ancient rulers into gods was simply the method of recording Kemet history so that those Kings would never be forgotten. Egyptologist thought Imhotep was a god before they found he was a living and breathing human being. Just as our ancestors deified Imhotep so did they do with Ra, Osiris and several other deities.

Once Osiris was killed or chopped up he was dead, any other history of him after that event is pure deification by the historians and priests of Kemet. You have failed in distinguishing between true Kemet ancient history and deification of that history.

In the ancient, ancient times before dynastic Egypt we maintained memory of our great kings by deifying them as gods. This method of recording predates Egypt. It is our failure to understand the methods used by our ancestors that has caused us to confuse these historical events with religion. This also became an error of Kemet as we moved further and further away from the time of Ra, the actual human King or Queen we actually began to see Ra as an actual God.

The concept of the Red and White crown had to have been preconceived before Kemet was even Kemet. What are the odds of these two crowns fitting together perfectly and what are the odds that they fit together just like the phallus and uterus?

The entire concept of Egypt was preconceived; it is those people that preconceived Kemet and the crowns that recorded the Kings or Queens as gods.

Now you understand what it means when they say “Ancestral Worship”.


as above so below my brother. every thing has a dual use or side if you will. our ancsestors were aware and in contact with both sides of thier existence. There is actually 7+2+ 9 or 360+360+ 720 degress of physcial and the spritual .or nine either the curl of your hair my brother" a sprial or the swirl of the universe(our kemetic sign my brother) the vibration of sound hitting water causing a swirl in water to stimualte life combined with love and warmth from the sun. This is ra's spritual existence being born by saying his name AUUUNg!this existence is before the flesh however u are not prepared for u are still in tune with the illusion in front of your eyes. i feel that it is not appropriate for me to justisfy reality to u. for nature is doing it everyday

Factoid:

Did you know Ra referred to the Nu as his GOD?

Factoid:

Did you know Ra referred to the Nu as his GOD?

nu or nun the abyss the collection undiferrianted matter form which we all come. in this case water is also considered as nun a mass collection of undifferntiated matter which is where ra originatd from . are you serious music u did not know that? please learn your culture my dear brother(if indeed u are one) and the neters will guide u the rest of the way.

I already understood what Nu is. It is your own assumption that I did not. All I did was placed a factoid. Now through this factoid we can began to learn that Ra is not the Supreme Being.

nu or nun the abyss the collection undiferrianted matter form which we all come. in this case water is also considered as nun a mass collection of undifferntiated matter which is where ra originatd from . are you serious music u did not know that? please learn your culture my dear brother(if indeed u are one) and the neters will guide u the rest of the way.

I told you that he didn't understand. He hasn't even fully read the book, and he's here trying to lecture us about this theology.

Don't waste your time, fattening frogs for snakes, Brother.

PEACE

Yeah, I think it's obvious to everyone at this point that Music Producer is trying to create his own cult group, and since he sees the Ausar Auset Society as the quintessential Kamitic spiritual organ, he attacks that in attempts to proselytize.

The fact that he has claimed to achieve "sphere zero" in itself is ridiculous. A knowledge of one's true nature would reveal that the *only way* that this nature could be diffused through Creation is by a magical process whereby the One becomes Many; i.e. the "polytheism" which this "brother" abhors so.

Hetep.

Yeah, I think it's obvious to everyone at this point that Music Producer is trying to create his own cult group, and since he sees the Ausar Auset Society as the quintessential Kamitic spiritual organ, he attacks that in attempts to proselytize.

The fact that he has claimed to achieve "sphere zero" in itself is ridiculous. A knowledge of one's true nature would reveal that the *only way* that this nature could be diffused through Creation is by a magical process whereby the One becomes Many; i.e. the "polytheism" which this "brother" abhors so.

Hetep.
Please show vol and page number from the Metu Neter to support your words about obtaining understanding of sphere 0.

Please show vol and page number from the Metu Neter to support your words about obtaining understanding of sphere 0.

I don't have to show you anything. I have two years of priesthood training that attest to the point I made. It's you who's making the logical disconnect from the concept of the Zero Sphere and the means by arriving at it as propounded by RUNA to dissolve the effect that his teaching has introduced into the world. Therefore, the burden is on you to rectify a *misunderstanding* that I've literally taught classes on.

This correction would have to assume the following format:

"Ra Un Nefer Amen says this and this in the Metu Neter...

"He says that you can arrive at this and that by the means which I employ, which is the Bible...

"Therefore, everything which you Metu Neter proponents claim is necessary for the arrival at the zero sphere, is gross and unnecessary, and polytheistic, whereas my practice is more in line with that of Ra un Nefer Amen..."

But to have provided you fodder is a little idealistic on my part, because I doubt that you'll do anything with it. Your method is shock preaching, perfectly in line with your Biblical antecedents such as Elijah and Amos, only less eloquent. You need an enemy like Jezebel or Baal to prove that your way is correct, and so you've chosen the Metu Neter.

Now, without the Metu Neter, how responsive do you think people would be to your posts?

Peace.

Please show vol and page number from the Metu Neter to support your words about obtaining understanding of sphere 0.

I'm done with you.

I don't have to show you anything. I have two years of priesthood training that attest to the point I made.

How much money did they hit you up for?

:lol: @ this ridiculous thread.

Please show vol and page number from the Metu Neter to support your words about obtaining understanding of sphere 0.
I suppose this is one question that will remain unanswered.

(Music Producer) - Please show vol and page number from the Metu Neter to support your words about obtaining understanding of sphere 0.

metu neter vol 1
chapter 5, pp 49, 52-54, 59, 65-66
chapter 6 pg 69
chapter 7 pg 82

the ideas are covered and elaborated on...

(Music Producer) - Please show vol and page number from the Metu Neter to support your words about obtaining understanding of sphere 0.

metu neter vol 1
chapter 5, pp 49, 52-54, 59, 65-66
chapter 6 pg 69
chapter 7 pg 82

the ideas are covered and elaborated on...
Hi,

Nibs,

I have discontinued my discussions about Metu Neter and Ausar Auset Society religion. I will no longer question their religion as long as they do not use it to attack mines.

Hi,

Nibs,

I have discontinued my discussions about Metu Neter and Ausar Auset Society religion. I will no longer question their religion as long as they do not use it to attack mines.

Brother Music Producer ... Thank You ... :love:

Though i'm sure discontinuing all discussion is not necessary.

:heart:

Destee

Nibs:

This is the post by Anuk_Ausar that my question was a response to……

Anuk_Ausar:
Yeah, I think it's obvious to everyone at this point that Music Producer is trying to create his own cult group, and since he sees the Ausar Auset Society as the quintessential Kamitic spiritual organ, he attacks that in attempts to proselytize.

The fact that he has claimed to achieve "sphere zero" in itself is ridiculous. A knowledge of one's true nature would reveal that the *only way* that this nature could be diffused through Creation is by a magical process whereby the One becomes Many; i.e. the "polytheism" which this "brother" abhors so.

Hetep.


This is my response or asking him to show where the Metu Neter teaches his point of view……..

Please show vol and page number from the Metu Neter to support your words about obtaining understanding of sphere 0.


The main portion that I was responding to is this teaching by Anuk…….

The fact that he has claimed to achieve "sphere zero" in itself is ridiculous. A knowledge of one's true nature would reveal that the *only way* that this nature could be diffused through Creation is by a magical process whereby the One becomes Many; i.e. the "polytheism" which this "brother" abhors so.


I am suggesting that the Metu Neter does not teach that, which is why I asked Anuk to show the page numbers in which he derived his conclusions.

The fact that he has claimed to achieve "sphere zero" in itself is ridiculous.


Is a teaching that it is not possible to reach or achieve ones with the Being of Sphere 0.

Where does the Metu Neter teach that?

As a matter of fact the Metu Neter teaches just the opposite of what Anuk presents.

This is found on page 69 chapter 6 “The Supreme Being brings itself out of the Subjective State”.

The Supreme Being does all of this recognition of Self and Ones before the so-called division.


A knowledge of one's true nature would reveal that the *only way* that this nature could be diffused through Creation is by a magical process whereby the One becomes Many;


The Supreme Being discovered HIS Nature without becoming many…

I have discontinued my discussions about Metu Neter and Ausar Auset Society religion.
Brother Music Producer ... Thank You ...Though i'm sure discontinuing all discussion is not necessary.

no matter. there are no longer any followers of the metu neter in the house.

no matter. there are no longer any followers of the metu neter in the house.

Brother James ... a Member's effort to help maintain our peace, always matters.

With hundreds of folk viewing our threads daily, you can't know that none are followers of the Metu Neter, or want to be.

:heart:

Destee

... a Member's effort to help maintain our peace, always matters.
if this member is seen as making an effort to maintain peace now then what was his prior behavior?
was it disturbing of the peace?

if this member is seen as making an effort to maintain peace now then what was his prior behavior?
was it disturbing of the peace?

Brother James ... i think he was (re)acting ... vs ... acting. While his behavior was not stellar, no one is hardly gonna be attacked and talked to any kind of way ... or watch others being treated that way ... without exhibiting some like behavior, eventually. I think it's called "self-defense."

If i'm wrong, his prior behavior will continue, and we'll deal with it accordingly ... but already, the evidence (http://destee.com/forums/showpost.php?p=454945&postcount=30) doesn't support that.

:heart:

Destee

no matter. there are no longer any followers of the metu neter in the house.
So does this mean you have turned to GOD?

I am glad to see you accept the Supreme Being as being your spirit guide…….

Go in peace my Brother, HE has a lot of wisdom to show you.

no matter. there are no longer any followers of the metu neter in the house.

Well not exactly. I've been away for the most part because I've had to devote most of my time to writing a paper which is due next month, a consulting gig that I had to deal with, and a lot of other stuff going on right now. Anuk Ausar is in school and final exams are right around the corner. At this point in the school year, those of us who have lives outside of Destee.com have other priorities that demand our full attention. That doesn't mean that the previous barrage of lies, distortions, misrepresentations, strawman arguments and mudslinging will go unanswered; it's just that those who've been posting them are off the hook for the time being.

As regards his claim in post #4 of attaining sphere 0, to anyone who understands Metu Neter this is so laughable as to be embarassing. Sphere 0 corresponds to "Amen" and "Hetep" which is a peace that nothing can shatter. One does not attain this state by merely declaring that he has on an internet message board, as MP has done here. It takes many, many years of rigorous spiritual training and dietary observances to do this, so on that ground alone it is obvious that he couldn't possibly have attained sphere 0. Secondly, one could and most likely would go an entire lifetime following the procedures as outlined in Metu Neter and "only" complete the 6th, 5th, or 4th, etc., sphere. What this bizarre claim merely shows, as Samurai has pointed out, is his poor understanding of Metu Neter. The real proof of his lack of having attained sphere 0 is shown by his own behavior, namely his emotional tirade over the past couple of months railing against Metu Neter and those whom he calls "Metu Neter followers." A person who has attained sphere 0 wouldn't be throwing sustained hissy fits at people who post stuff on an internet message board that he believes to be wrong.

Well not exactly. I've been away for the most part because I've had to devote most of my time to writing a paper which is due next month, a consulting gig that I had to deal with, and a lot of other stuff going on right now. Anuk Ausar is in school and final exams are right around the corner. At this point in the school year, those of us who have lives outside of Destee.com have other priorities that demand our full attention. That doesn't mean that the previous barrage of lies, distortions, misrepresentations, strawman arguments and mudslinging will go unanswered; it's just that those who've been posting them are off the hook for the time being.

As regards his claim in post #4 of attaining sphere 0, to anyone who understands Metu Neter this is so laughable as to be embarassing. Sphere 0 corresponds to "Amen" and "Hetep" which is a peace that nothing can shatter. One does not attain this state by merely declaring that he has on an internet message board, as MP has done here. It takes many, many years of rigorous spiritual training and dietary observances to do this, so on that ground alone it is obvious that he couldn't possibly have attained sphere 0. Secondly, one could and most likely would go an entire lifetime following the procedures as outlined in Metu Neter and "only" complete the 6th, 5th, or 4th, etc., sphere. What this bizarre claim merely shows, as Samurai has pointed out, is his poor understanding of Metu Neter. The real proof of his lack of having attained sphere 0 is shown by his own behavior, namely his emotional tirade over the past couple of months railing against Metu Neter and those whom he calls "Metu Neter followers." A person who has attained sphere 0 wouldn't be throwing sustained hissy fits at people who post stuff on an internet message board that he believes to be wrong.
Do you feel better?

Brother James ... i think he was (re)acting ... vs ... acting. While his behavior was not stellar, no one is hardly gonna be attacked and talked to any kind of way ... or watch others being treated that way ... without exhibiting some like behavior, eventually. I think it's called "self-defense."
While it's understandable that he would reply to negative things said about him and to statements that he disagrees with the best way he knows how, can it fairly be called "self defense" when he proactively creates threads chock full of lies and distortions aimed at discrediting people who said nothing to or about him or his beliefs?

If i'm wrong, his prior behavior will continue, and we'll deal with it accordingly ... but already, the evidence (http://destee.com/forums/showpost.php?p=454945&postcount=30) doesn't support that.

:heart:

Destee
Well here is some fresh, new evidence of that prior behavior, namely, another question posed to Elder James in which MP lies by insinuation:

James said: "there are no longer any followers of the metu neter in the house."

And MP replied: "So does this mean you have turned to GOD?"

A couple of months ago, MP lodged a complaint against Elder James in the thread entitled "Destee2" at http://destee.com/forums/showthread.php?t=44668. In the last post there, you asked them both to not address each other since they weren't getting along:

Destee (to Music Producer): "... it's obvious that there is a problem between you and Brother James. I've asked him to avoid you, not post to your threads, not say anything to you, and i hope he'll honor that. In addition, i'm asking you to do the same, okay?" [emphasis mine]

Is his response to Elder James in this thread an example of self defense?

Do you feel better?:lol::lol::lol:
As a result of what?

:lol::lol::lol:
As a result of what?
Your little prep-talk.

The problem with it is every conversation and debate we have had is recorded and apart of the archives of Destee.com.

http://destee.com/forums/showpost.php?p=451692&postcount=83

i think he was (re)acting ... vs ... acting. While his behavior was not stellar, no one is hardly gonna be attacked and talked to any kind of way ... or watch others being treated that way ... without exhibiting some like behavior, eventually. I think it's called "self-defense."

what evidence do you have that he was acting in self defense? this member has attacked all others on this forum since day one.
you have a member who mounts frequent attacks on others belief systems and you state that he is acting in self defense?

it is ironic or worse that his behavior is now to be excused under the mantle of self defense.

While it's understandable that he would reply to negative things said about him and to statements that he disagrees with the best way he knows how, can it fairly be called "self defense" when he proactively creates threads chock full of lies and distortions aimed at discrediting people who said nothing to or about him or his beliefs?

Brother Sami_RaMaati ... i said "i think it's called self-defense" ... that would have been my guess, but there may be some other phrase that better captures what has taken place over the past year or so.

I know on the surface, it may appear as though Brother Music Producer is the one that started, or at least, continues to proactively create disruption ... but i'm here to tell you Brother ... whew ... the disruption that Brother Music Producer causes, is nothing compared to the disruption caused by Brother SAMURAI. Not only is it not comparable, in my opinion, and i saw it all ... but Brother Music Producer has never so vengefully gone after other folk, attempting to discredit them and their beliefs. It's been ugly here. We've probably lost many Sisters and Brothers that believe in Christianity, due to the outright attacks placed on them and their beliefs by Brother SAMURAI. I don't even know if Brother Music Producer considers himself a Christian or not, but i'm sure he witnessed the assaults on them. I think, in addition to watching it happen to others, over and over again, and it happen to himself, regarding whatever he believes ... and it wasn't stopped by the management of this community ... he felt the need to fight fire with fire ... and it's that same energy, you see dying down now. I'm not trying to speak for Brother Music Producer, but just sharing my unique perspective, as i've watched all of this play out over these last many months.

I do believe, now that Brother SAMURAI is gone ... and he was the main instigator over the long-term ... everything else will eventually return to normal ... where we try to engage each other in the best of manners, even if we do not agree. I realize a lot has been allowed to take place here, that shouldn't have, and a lot has been said that may keep Members at odds with each other ... but it is my hope that with the passing of a little time ... we can adjust ourselves back to a more relaxed and peaceful engagement ... that is so much more conducive to learning and building together ... which is, i believe, everyone's goal ... so i'm sure it will happen, soon ... if we let it.


Well here is some fresh, new evidence of that prior behavior, namely, another question posed to Elder James in which MP lies by insinuation:

James said: "there are no longer any followers of the metu neter in the house."

And MP replied: "So does this mean you have turned to GOD?"

A couple of months ago, MP lodged a complaint against Elder James in the thread entitled "Destee2" at http://destee.com/forums/showthread.php?t=44668. In the last post there, you asked them both to not address each other since they weren't getting along:

Destee (to Music Producer): "... it's obvious that there is a problem between you and Brother James. I've asked him to avoid you, not post to your threads, not say anything to you, and i hope he'll honor that. In addition, i'm asking you to do the same, okay?" [emphasis mine]

Is his response to Elder James in this thread an example of self defense?

Brother Sami_RaMaati ... Brother Music Producer is lying by insuation? I don't really understand what you mean by that. Brother James said, there are no more Metu Neter followers here, and Brother Music Producer asked, does this mean you've turned to God? ... He didn't state anything, he asked a question. Are you saying he insuated a lie by asking that question ... like, saying that Brother James had left God? I don't understand what you mean, or what you're referring to, when you say lying by insinuation.

Sorta off topic, but what Brother James said, is more of an obvious "lie" than what Brother Music Producer said ... as there are Metu Neter followers here ... but i'd not dare suggest that he was lying, because that is so harsh. Ya know? I'm sure he didn't mean to not tell the truth in that statement. He probably believed that there were no more Metu Neter followers here.

In regard to your evidence, of Brother Music Producer continuing his behavior, by speaking to Brother James ... it's always my hope that even when Members have to minimize contact, in order to minimize conflict ... it won't always remain that way. Many Members have stopped speaking to each other, only to come back together again, and share information. That's really a good thing, if done peacefully and respectfully. They don't get my permission to do that, they just do it, something that happens between the two of them.

Also, i don't know if the quote above, of Brother Music Producer is in fact the first dialogue they've had, since both agreed not to respond to each other. I just don't know, but i'd be willing to guess, it isn't. I'd go so far as to guess, that they've both spoke to each other, since agreeing not to. Again, that's fine with me. I want everyone to be able to interact together, and only stay away from each other, if they are going to be disruptive to the community.

Brother Sami_RaMaati ... am i understanding your concerns properly? If not, please let me know, and i'll try to respond better.

:heart:

Destee

what evidence do you have that he was acting in self defense? this member has attacked all others on this forum since day one.
you have a member who mounts frequent attacks on others belief systems and you state that he is acting in self defense?

it is ironic or worse that his behavior is now to be excused under the mantle of self defense.

Brother James ... please see my post above. I kinda outlined why i'm taking the position that i am.

If you want me to elaborate more, after reading that, i'll try ... just let me know.

:heart:

Destee

Brother Sami_RaMaati ... i said "i think it's called self-defense" ... that would have been my guess, but there may be some other phrase that better captures what has taken place over the past year or so.

I know on the surface, it may appear as though Brother Music Producer is the one that started, or at least, continues to proactively create disruption ... but i'm here to tell you Brother ... whew ... the disruption that Brother Music Producer causes, is nothing compared to the disruption caused by Brother SAMURAI. Not only is it not comparable, in my opinion, and i saw it all ... but Brother Music Producer has never so vengefully gone after other folk, attempting to discredit them and their beliefs. It's been ugly here. We've probably lost many Sisters and Brothers that believe in Christianity, due to the outright attacks placed on them and their beliefs by Brother SAMURAI. I don't even know if Brother Music Producer considers himself a Christian or not, but i'm sure he witnessed the assaults on them. I think, in addition to watching it happen to others, over and over again, and it happen to himself, regarding whatever he believes ... and it wasn't stopped by the management of this community ... he felt the need to fight fire with fire ... and it's that same energy, you see dying down now. I'm not trying to speak for Brother Music Producer, but just sharing my unique perspective, as i've watched all of this play out over these last many months.

I do believe, now that Brother SAMURAI is gone ... and he was the main instigator over the long-term ... everything else will eventually return to normal ... where we try to engage each other in the best of manners, even if we do not agree. I realize a lot has been allowed to take place here, that shouldn't have, and a lot has been said that may keep Members at odds with each other ... but it is my hope that with the passing of a little time ... we can adjust ourselves back to a more relaxed and peaceful engagement ... that is so much more conducive to learning and building together ... which is, i believe, everyone's goal ... so i'm sure it will happen, soon ... if we let it.




Brother Sami_RaMaati ... Brother Music Producer is lying by insuation? I don't really understand what you mean by that. Brother James said, there are no more Metu Neter followers here, and Brother Music Producer asked, does this mean you've turned to God? ... He didn't state anything, he asked a question. Are you saying he insuated a lie by asking that question ... like, saying that Brother James had left God? I don't understand what you mean, or what you're referring to, when you say lying by insinuation.

Sorta off topic, but what Brother James said, is more of an obvious "lie" than what Brother Music Producer said ... as there are Metu Neter followers here ... but i'd not dare suggest that he was lying, because that is so harsh. Ya know? I'm sure he didn't mean to not tell the truth in that statement. He probably believed that there were no more Metu Neter followers here.

In regard to your evidence, of Brother Music Producer continuing his behavior, by speaking to Brother James ... it's always my hope that even when Members have to minimize contact, in order to minimize conflict ... it won't always remain that way. Many Members have stopped speaking to each other, only to come back together again, and share information. That's really a good thing, if done peacefully and respectfully. They don't get my permission to do that, they just do it, something that happens between the two of them.

Also, i don't know if the quote above, of Brother Music Producer is in fact the first dialogue they've had, since both agreed not to respond to each other. I just don't know, but i'd be willing to guess, it isn't. I'd go so far as to guess, that they've both spoke to each other, since agreeing not to. Again, that's fine with me. I want everyone to be able to interact together, and only stay away from each other, if they are going to be disruptive to the community.

Brother Sami_RaMaati ... am i understanding your concerns properly? If not, please let me know, and i'll try to respond better.

:heart:

Destee
in the eyes of destee, music producer can do no wrong.
everyone else can, but not him. every behaviour by him will be excused by her.
no family can tolerate a favorite son who can do no ill.

in the eyes of destee, music producer can do no wrong.
everyone else can, but not him. every behaviour by him will be excused by her.
no family can tolerate a favorite son who can do no ill.
When I first cam hear talking about the Old Testament and Holy Scriptures it was your group that started the attacks.

Your group miscalculated my level of reading comprehension and was not intellectual enough to back off.

Your group attacked me so much that I bought the Metu Neter. Once I did I found that the book itself does not support anything you and your group had been saying.

The final straw for your guys was the revelation of whom Ra Un Nefer used to write the book. Your entire group constantly attacked me for using white Egyptologist and Historians and now we can see the Metu Neter as written by Ra Un Nefer was created and plagiarized from nothing but Crackers and you come up in here presenting the Metu Neter as if it is a book for blacks and by blacks.

Come on maaaaaaan be for real.

You guys even believe in a Trinity…..is this true?

i don't know if the quote above, of Brother Music Producer is in fact the first dialogue they've had, since both agreed not to respond to each other. I just don't know, but i'd be willing to guess, it isn't. I'd go so far as to guess, that they've both spoke to each other, since agreeing not to.

- i have not and will not speak to this member. he speaks to me in violation of destees request.
that, like everything else that he does, is of no matter.

in the eyes of destee, music producer can do no wrong.
everyone else can, but not him. every behaviour by him will be excused by her.
no family can tolerate a favorite son who can do no ill.

*sigh* ... okay ... you're entitled to your opinion.

I can't argue with the evidence and logic you've presented.

:heart:

Destee

- i have not and will not speak to this member. he speaks to me in violation of destees request.
that, like everything else that he does, is of no matter.

As i said, i didn't know whether you all had spoke or not ... but i'm really not trying to be a babysitter of grown men. Having to even say, please don't speak to each other, let alone actually monitoring it, so we can have peace ... gosh.

I'm really not wanting to do all of this ... it is so very tiring ... but since it seems necessary.

Brother Music Producer ... please don't speak to Brother James.

Matter of fact ... Brother Music Producer ... i had said in an earlier post, that you did not have to refrain from taking part in all Metu Neter discussions, but since the emotion and energy surrounding this very long feud is still high and disruptive ... maybe you're right, and it's best that you don't participate. I'm not requiring this of you, as you're entitled to take part in any discussion found here, just like all other Members ... but it may help restore our peace, if you stay away from them for a little bit.

Thank you Brother Music Producer for being willing to work with me, by offering the above solution.

:heart:

Destee

As i said, i didn't know whether you all had spoke or not ... but i'm really not trying to be a babysitter of grown men. Having to even say, please don't speak to each other, let alone actually monitoring it, so we can have peace ... gosh.

I'm really not wanting to do all of this ... it is so very tiring ... but since it seems necessary.

Brother Music Producer ... please don't speak to Brother James.

Matter of fact ... Brother Music Producer ... i had said in an earlier post, that you did not have to refrain from taking part in all Metu Neter discussions, but since the emotion and energy surrounding this very long feud is still high and disruptive ... maybe you're right, and it's best that you don't participate. I'm not requiring this of you, as you're entitled to take part in any discussion found here, just like all other Members ... but it may help restore our peace, if you stay away from them for a little bit.

Thank you Brother Music Producer for being willing to work with me, by offering the above solution.

:heart:

Destee
I understand sister Destee,

For the record it was first brother James that posted in one of my threads after you had asked us to not integrate with one another and that is why I started talking to him again.

I think he referred to me, the poster as a “Snake”, or something like that.

Let it be known I have never fired the first shot.

Hey wait a sec, I just noticed something, this is my Thread.

How he going to post in my thread but not talk to me?:(
I feel so saaaaad.

Oh well.

I steal love you Brother!
My GOD permits me to.

Nibs:

This is the post by Anuk_Ausar that my question was a response to……


This is my response or asking him to show where the Metu Neter teaches his point of view……..


The main portion that I was responding to is this teaching by Anuk…….


I am suggesting that the Metu Neter does not teach that, which is why I asked Anuk to show the page numbers in which he derived his conclusions.

The fact that he has claimed to achieve "sphere zero" in itself is ridiculous.


Is a teaching that it is not possible to reach or achieve ones with the Being of Sphere 0.

Where does the Metu Neter teach that?

As a matter of fact the Metu Neter teaches just the opposite of what Anuk presents.

This is found on page 69 chapter 6 “The Supreme Being brings itself out of the Subjective State”.

The Supreme Being does all of this recognition of Self and Ones before the so-called division.



The Supreme Being discovered HIS Nature without becoming many…




I couldn't resist this. This is a excerpt from the Pyramid Text, known as "Knowing the Manifestations of Ra and the Overthrowing of Apep":

[These are] the words of the god Neb-er-tcher, who said: "I am the creator of what hath come into being, and I myself came into being under the form of the god Khepera, and I came into being in primeval time. I came into being in the form of Khepera, and I am the creator of what did come into being, that is to say, I formed myself out of the primeval matter, and I made and formed myself out of the substance which existed in primeval time. My name is Osiris, who is the primeval matter of primeval matter.

I have done my will in everything in this earth. I have spread myself abroad therein, and I have made strong my hand. I was one by myself, for they (i.e., the gods) had not been brought forth, and I had emitted from myself neither Shu nor Tefnut. I brought my own name into my mouth as a word of power, and I forthwith came into being under the form of things which are and under the form of Khepera. I came into being from out of primeval matter, and from the beginning I appeared under the form of the multitudinous things which exist; nothing whatsoever existed at that time in this earth, and it was I who made whatsoever was made.

:darts:

Purpose of Metu Neter:

The overall purpose of Metu Neter as written by Ra Nu Nefer Amen is to discover ways of reaching an understanding, unity and ones with the Being of Sphere 0, which turns you into a Monotheist.


In THIS particular forum I openly disagree because "Mono" theism is the "Belief" in "One" God and Sphere 0 is No-thing (Atum/Atem) in particular.

You don't go through a manifold of conceptual nouns (Deities clothed as proper nouns/navigational system of teaching predominately "right brained") in order to worship ONE deity (Monolatry). You are internalizing "Neter" which is more of a "Homeostasis" than a "singularity" which the author referred to as an "Indivisible/Duality" hence Individual. Hetepu

In THIS particular forum I openly disagree because "Mono" theism is the "Belief" in "One" God and Sphere 0 is No-thing (Atum/Atem) in particular.

You don't go through a manifold of conceptual nouns (Deities clothed as proper nouns/navigational system of teaching predominately "right brained") in order to worship ONE deity (Monolatry). You are internalizing "Neter" which is more of a "Homeostasis" than a "singularity" which the author referred to as an "Indivisible/Duality" hence Individual. Hetepu

I agree and thanks for stating this because I dont thing anyone else clarified that point.

Peace.

So clarify for us what is the difference between “Neter” and “Neteru”?

In my study of this “Neter” is a reference to the ONE Supreme Being and “Neteru” is a reference to a company of demigods and demigoddesses, servants of or lesser then “Neter”.

“Neter” is the original Egyptian reference in expressing “Monotheism” and “Neteru” is the original Egyptian reference for expressing “Polytheism”.

So what’s your take on it?

Peace and Love.

Neter doesn't mean "God" necessarily, it just means PRIMARY.
So fundamental mental constructs, personalities, principles, persons
places or things, can be PRIMARIES. To me, the only word
that really means Allah in the Mdw Ntr language is Rh (to and extent
Hr/Hrw which is the inverse word for Rh) Peace.

Divine Ruler Equality Allah (Rh)

So clarify for us what is the difference between “Neter” and “Neteru”?

In my study of this “Neter” is a reference to the ONE Supreme Being and “Neteru” is a reference to a company of demigods and demigoddesses, servants of or lesser then “Neter”.

“Neter” is the original Egyptian reference in expressing “Monotheism” and “Neteru” is the original Egyptian reference for expressing “Polytheism”.

So what’s your take on it?

Peace and Love.

Well ...in keeping with the theme of your Forum (inductively), Neter was made analogous to the definition of "Telephone"; there are many other objects (form/functionally) that fit neatly into the definition ie CB..radio..Walkie talkie..ect ( An instrument that converts voice and other sound signals into a form that can be transmitted to remote locations and that receives and reconverts waves into sound signals.)http://www.thefreedictionary.com/telephone

So, as the Author states, if you never saw or was privy to the "Description" of a phone and only had the definition you wouldn't be wrong for calling those various items (differentiations) a Telephone.

-Slight Tangent- Speaking of descriptions and definitions and alluding to the Paut Neteru's Form/Functional relationship to Neter (in its application to the mind of man ..who IS :hearts4: )

Numbers (abstract containers) are even a cyclical system of quantification but its utility is in assisting the mind (organic navigational system) in providing a framework/scale for adjusting values.

In Shekhem Ur Shekhems small, journal like, book: "Not out of Greece" He discusses the error of early logicians; treating numbers as if they were "Things" instead of categories. He continues by noting the phenomenon with which the mathematical language is concerned:

1)Discreet things with no fixed size, no fixed weight, nor form uniformity (Stones , Sticks, Holes ect)

2) Discreet things with no fixed size, no fixed weight, but WITH form uniformity. (apples , lemons , pigs ect)

3) Indiscreet things (Sand, land, water, Flour)

4) Discreet events (periodicity, Solar and lunar cycles http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_R._Dewey)

5) Discreet things of which, the parts exhibit proportional relationships between each other and the whole ( the bodies of animals , ect)

The same numbers represent all of the above but do not share in their attributes.

This is easy for fixed systems but not so easy for perceptions , concepts, ideas within our sphere of awareness and specifically interpersonal experience (While we talking all this talk about Unity). If our relationships could be facilitated to a science using just mathematics (a language) there would be no subjectivity or grey areas and our ideas about words like "Love" or "Freedom" would have rigid and finite characteristics (We would be in a binary program Holodeck or something/ a deterministic system).

Your stance "appears" to be a side effect and attempt to rectify those(Re-ligare them to ONE GOD) who have taken for face value and perverted the profound interdependent wholeness of Neter/Neteru which are, as a particle and wave are suggested in "Quantum Entanglement," NEITHER. This concept of duality Maati ..Two truths.. Sma Taui..Nummo are reoccuring themes in African civilization.

(Are you saying our ancestors could'nt conceptualize on these levels in their cosmogonies)
How would it compromise everything you have built up to *now* to seek its invaluable relationship instead of its difference?

Considering the years you must have spent building this stance that purports a dichotomization of Neter and Neteru, it might be a non-sequitur in and of itself to provide you with a reasonable answer.

Nevertheless...The purpose of the Metu Neter (Presented by Shekhem ur Shekhem Ra Un Nefer Amen) has no-thing, emphatically, to do with the Monotheistic worship of Neter.

Sekhet Hetepu

So clarify for us what is the difference between “Neter” and “Neteru”?

In my study of this “Neter” is a reference to the ONE Supreme Being and “Neteru” is a reference to a company of demigods and demigoddesses, servants of or lesser then “Neter”.

“Neter” is the original Egyptian reference in expressing “Monotheism” and “Neteru” is the original Egyptian reference for expressing “Polytheism”.

So what’s your take on it?

Peace and Love.

Another way to understand the difference between Neter and Neteru is,

You have your body as a whole with all its hosts of functions and systems.

Then you could also speak of systems within that whole such as your circulatory system, your respiratory system, your nervous system.

This is why the word 'polytheism' should be carefully used. The same functions that are Neteru in one tradition become angels or messengers from the standpoint of another tradition, when viewed by people who didn't have this understanding.

For example, Kemetic priest could write that, for example,
Maat was the first thing that was created, but then in another book say that Shu and Tefnut were the first aspects which were created, and, due to the nature of the subject matter, this would not be a contradiction.


Study your old testament; compare the various names of God
(Jehovah Nisse, Jehovah Jirei; El Chaddai, Elyon, etc.) and you
compare these side by side with the names of God as listed in
the other Hebrew books, and you will find that some of these
'names of God' were at one time attributed to what some people would call
'Gods' or 'demigods' in other systems (for example those sons of Ham which lived in Canaan, Cyprus, etc. from whom the "Hebrews" inherited writing, and other skills).


Because of not understanding this way of presenting spiritual reality, or because of only being at a certain level of insight or growth, one might look at these "neteru" or "deities" or "buddhas" or "orishas" or "elohim" or whatever concepts, and fail to see the unity.

Remember the writers of these old texts encountered a great challenge in describing these realities which could not be fully contained in words and symbols. How else do you discuss something that is infinite, and has infinite ways of manifestation? You have to make up your own nouns! You use metaphors, abstractions.

Take amen, in normal language means that which is hidden. But when you talk about Amen, That Which Is Hidden, an aspect of God, that is different. This way of describing things or talking about spiritual reality is totally foreign to the line of thought about God which has been presented in our Brother Music Producer's post.

So when they say RA was a person, if you really study, that is not talking about a person any more than the concept of Maat is talking about a person who lived somewhere at sometime and then died.

Maat corresponds to, what people would call, Law or Spiritual Law, etc. You could call it a Neter or you could look at it as an aspect of reality (a function of the One).

Which concept works better to help you to understand and work with it? And what if this Law could speak to you on a personal level? It's real no matter if you call it an angel or whatever. Or a principle of physics or whatever.

So then you have ra and then you have Ra. Keep in mind that these books were translated, and that the first translators did not always understand classical African civilizations (or were not people who strove for spiritual elevation and understanding) themselves. So the word that was translated as "God" or "Gods" from Ugaritic, Kemetic, ancient Dravidian, etc. doesn't have the same meaning as the word God or Gods according to mainstream definition.

So we need to inspect what we mean by polytheism, and were did the term come from, and how it relates to Monotheism.

Remember there are people who stated that they are Monotheists but do not strive for and cannot see any connection between themselves and nature; cannot see that they are One with other people; cannot see that the health of their body is One with their mental state.

Thank you MeNefer and Enensa Aunghk for sharing your profound wisdom it is greatly appreciated.

And thanks Mr. MP for drawing such profound wisdom out of folks.

:peace:

What is the correct path, yielding to Neter or yielding to Neteru?

What is the correct path, yielding to Neter or yielding to Neteru?

Depends on your frame of reference (inductive premise).

Respectfully, you have considered other factors that you validated through a model of inquiry that established sound facts along with the plausibility of certain theories (Since "History," like memory or "The Rashomon Effect" is not an *absolute* hard science) See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rashomon_effect The film, *Rashomon,* has an unusual narrative structure that reflects the impossibility of obtaining the truth about an event when there are conflicting witness accounts. In English and other languages, 'Rashomon' has become a byword for any situation in which the truth of an event is difficult to verify due to the conflicting accounts of different witnesses. In psychology, the film has lent its name to the 'Rashomon effect'.

Your/my inductive premise was framed via these processes by which your deductive rigor always seeks to validate ( sometimes fanatically).

Through my own studies I have "Adopted" a frame of reference which chracterizes how I will shape and be influenced through my perceptual modalities. (Paut Neteru)

With that said ....my response to your question IS:

Neteru "IS" the path to yielding to Neter...The Journey IS the Destination...The Future IS the past and the Present...The Alpha IS the Omega..ect

Neteru "IS" the path to yielding to Neter...The Journey IS the Destination...The Future IS the past and the Present...The Alpha IS the Omega..ect


So if Neter expresses creation of all things and Neteru expresses creation of all things which one do you believe and follow?

So if Neter expresses creation of all things and Neteru expresses creation of all things which one do you believe and follow?

Not trying to be facetious

So if a Particle expresses the function of light and a Wave expresses the function of light which one do I accept and establish as REAL? :sand:


Maybe you think I'm purposely being cryptic ..let me reflect on your allusion to Chap 6 of Metu Neter:

*BEFORE* (actually time doesnt exist and Before is now but the mind of man craves concretion wheeew) creation can begin , the supreme "Being" (the author talked about his reasoning behind using "Being" ;asserting the fact that he is not speaking of a humunculus patriarchal singularity) must first make "Objective" its *Qualities/Neteru* of Being ("Sphere" 0...Atum "No-thing"..Amen.."Hidden" ect reductio ad infinitum)

Not only does the "Creator" bring himself into objectivity AS "the Creator" Ausar...(an attribute.... Identity..a FORM of my quality of being 1) but also objectified its other attributes which it was indistinguishably Homogenized with 2, hence ...HIDDEN.

It may seem complex ...but that is only in explanation cause like the Architect stated on "The Matrix" to Neo ..."Apropos as you have gathered the Anomaly is systemic *Creating FLUCTUATIONS in the most simplistic equations*

This is more than Anthropology or theology or egyptology or psychology ..Historicity ad nauseum (hey ...now theres your Neteru worshipers)

But unless we can get pass the Exoteric/Esoteric Chasm ...I will probably forfeit at this point ....Thanks Bro MP

What is the correct path, yielding to Neter or yielding to Neteru?

If you are asking that question you have not read Men Nefer's post or my previous post.

If you are asking that question you have not read Men Nefer's post or my previous post.

Could be a matter of mental processing. And I don't mean it to be an insult of intelligence, but besides the uncommon concepts You guys are talking about. (when is the last time you you shot the breeze about wave and particle energy or the concept of time being an illusion or what conception was created first Maat or Shu and Tefnut oh but it wouldn't matter cause of the nature of Maat, Shu and Tefnut, and time actually not existing cause the only real reality is the present. No wait the present is gone already 'past' so that only leaves the future. I could go on but That fact of the matter is, if you don't stay open minded and objective(no blind faith) Someone can read your posts 100xs and still not 'see' the meaning you are trying to come across. Therefore still inquiring about the priceless knowledge we sometime take for granted. (hey some folks are home right now waiting for you know who to come knocking and save them from you know what and take them to you where :lol: ) :shades:

But again I enjoy reading your posts and unless you can find another site with such similar posts you might as well fulfill that "purpose" here.

It looks like we are trying to dodge the issue. This comes from an Egyptian Bible as being the specific words of Ra himself………..


THE BOOK OF KNOWING THE EVOLUTIONS OF RA, AND OF OVERTHROWING APEP:
I had union with my closed hand, and I embraced my shadow as a wife, and I poured seed into my own mouth, and I sent forth from myself issue in the form of the gods Shu and Tefnut. Saith my father Nu:

http://www.sacred-texts.com/egy/leg/leg13.htm

As we see Ra makes a reference to ” my father Nu “. This reference by Ra himself automatically places Ra in the Neteru (company of demigods) and removes him from Neter (Supreme Being).

As Ra refers to “my father” this places him in the same category as Sons of GOD, which dictates a lesser, then GOD.

The question is; if the Supreme Being informs you of a condition and then a Son of the Supreme Being informs you of an opposing condition; which one do you follow for correctness and righteousness?

Peace and Love.

I had union with my closed hand, and I embraced my shadow as a wife, and I poured seed into my own mouth, and I sent forth from myself issue in the form of the gods Shu and Tefnut. Saith my father Nu

As we see Ra makes a reference to ” my father Nu “. This reference by Ra himself automatically places Ra in the Neteru (company of demigods) and removes him from Neter (Supreme Being).

I am willing to develope an understanding from your angle (I will just ask questions)

So Nu is Neter?

and Ra is Neteru?

If Neb er tcher (The Son) was a FORM of the creator whom raised his own self out of NU (The Father) then prior to any distinguishable form (Confusion/undifferentiation ) THE CREATOR must have been Neither "Neter"....but this would then make the Paut Neteru ....NETER

"I came into being in the form of Khepera, and I am the creator of what did come into being, that is to say, I formed myself out of the primeval matter, and I made and formed myself out of the substance which existed in primeval time. My name is AUSARES (i.e., Ausar..Neb er tcher), who is the primeval matter of primeval matter." (Is Primeval Matter...Nu?)

(With this in mind we can't even use the Father /Son analogy (Wedge) to establish your basis for deduction)

I am willing to establish a mutual basis (Even if I presently don't except it.... but let it be established in some sort of feasible context at least)



"I made all the things under the forms of which I appeared then by means of the Soul-God which I raised into firmness at that time from out of Nu, from a state of inactivity. " http://destee.com/forums/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=488800

"I came into being from out of primeval matter" (But above the promulgator states he IS the primeval matter of Primeval matter..letting it be NO mistake that He/she IS Neter)

(But maybe you'll say "Thats what Satan does (or Neteru) make you think that they ARE who created them") But you use the same utterances to establish your basis for separating Ra from Neter.

Its a done deal ..I don't see how you can't see it..:spinn:

(Shekhem Ur Shekhem Ra Un Nefer Amen ) Anuk Ausar Pg *69* (ironically) The Author speaks of "Neter" and Duality/Equilibrium ..actually being the basis of *The Law* (Maati= Two truths)

The Author States "All aspects of reality are underlied by the principle of duality. Even at the original level of "Being", the Subjective Realm, the attributes of Neter are dualized into *The material basis of the world -NU- and the immaterial consciousness -Amen, Tem- which wills the world into Being by inducing (raising) matter to assume forms" (primordial copulation..The Flux). (hence the form of Atem Nu or Amen Nu "IS" Neb er tcher/Ausar/Ra/Khepera ect)

The Author goes on to say : "Each of these ( Nu..Amen..Tem) are in a state of inactivity or absolute Equilibrium (NETER mind you). Matter is undifferentiated and consciousness has no-thing (Atum) to percieve (Amen/Hidden) and the will (Ra)is inactive. The world is nothing else but the objective expression of this original duality and equilibrium."

(Parent-thesis/emphasis Mines)

(Shekhem Ur Shekhem Ra Un Nefer Amen ) Anuk Ausar Pg *69* (ironically) The Author speaks of "Neter" and Duality/Equilibrium ..actually being the basis of *The Law* (Maati= Two truths)

The Author States "All aspects of reality are underlied by the principle of duality. Even at the original level of "Being", the Subjective Realm, the attributes of Neter are dualized into *The material basis of the world -NU- and the immaterial consciousness -Amen, Tem- which wills the world into Being by inducing (raising) matter to assume forms" (primordial copulation..The Flux). (hence the form of Atem Nu or Amen Nu "IS" Neb er tcher/Ausar/Ra/Khepera ect)

The Author goes on to say : "Each of these ( Nu..Amen..Tem) are in a state of inactivity or absolute Equilibrium (NETER mind you). Matter is undifferentiated and consciousness has no-thing (Atum) to percieve (Amen/Hidden) and the will (Ra)is inactive. The world is nothing else but the objective expression of this original duality and equilibrium."

(Parent-thesis/emphasis Mines)

Neter no things / neteru specfic parts of neter atum-amen (subjective) re ra physcial (amen-ra) hidden with physcial
subjective and objective existing to gather

Excellent and on the money menefer. Exisitence is of what u speak. However i have come to the conclusion that sum are not in a postion to accept exisitence. They must continue to be live. Or get stuck in theories. The personification of existence as is the neters is an example of this as well. sum cannot get be yond the personification of the neteru as well (they must continually trivalize allegories and stories). What u speak of is what the beautiful elder calls "the perfect night" Awesome undiffiernated matter having the potential to be any thing. We are all examples of this fact. To brother producer u are correct there is one source from which every thing has it's starting point(subjective). (it) to objectify it as one thing(physical) is incorrect for it has omni potential , omni present, etc is alive and real. However sometimes brother it is my opinion that titles names (theories) get u a little caught up.

Neter no things / neteru specific parts of neter atum-amen (subjective) re ra physical (amen-ra) hidden with physical
subjective and objective existing to gather

Excellent and on the money menefer. Existence is of what u speak. However i have come to the conclusion that sum are not in a position to accept existence. They must continue to be live. Or get stuck in theories. The personification of existence as is the neters is an example of this as well. sum cannot get be yond the personification of the neteru as well (they must continually trivialize allegories and stories). What u speak of is what the beautiful elder calls "the perfect night" Awesome undiffiernated matter having the potential to be any thing. We are all examples of this fact. To brother producer u are correct there is one source from which every thing has it's starting point(subjective). (it) to objectify it as one thing(physical) is incorrect for it has omni potential , omni present, etc is alive and real. However sometimes brother it is my opinion that titles names (theories) get u a little caught up.

I was trying to come up and express what you so eloquently put up above and you conveyed my thoughts and then some.

Thanks

Peace

Excellent and on the money menefer. Exisitence is of what u speak. However i have come to the conclusion that sum are not in a postion to accept exisitence. They must continue to be live. Or get stuck in theories. The personification of existence as is the neters is an example of this as well. sum cannot get be yond the personification of the neteru as well (they must continually trivalize allegories and stories). What u speak of is what the beautiful elder calls "the perfect night" Awesome undiffiernated matter having the potential to be any thing. We are all examples of this fact. To brother producer u are correct there is one source from which every thing has it's starting point(subjective). (it) to objectify it as one thing(physical) is incorrect for it has omni potential , omni present, etc is alive and real.


However sometimes brother it is my opinion that titles names (theories) get u a little caught up.[/QUOTE]

-That is where religion was originally supposed to come in. A body of knowledge and practices that would allow you to 'tie back' or 'yoke' you back with this Neter by providing you with instructions on how to interact directly with Neter the way you interact with someone sitting beside you. To keep from keep from getting caught up with titles, names and theories, remember our ancestors were trying to explain things that could not be fully contained in words concepts and theory. So that is why there were these parables, metaphors, etc. That is why there were teachers, ancestors, and a whole society within which you would be able to test the concepts.

Some experiences are best described in an abstract metaphorical sense. For example there is a book called the 12 hours of the night (Sesh Em Taut). What the name of the book says to you (In English and in Kemetic) depends on your level of insight into the subject matter of the book. In that one statement, the title of the book there are layers of knowledge, in one sentence it has 3 or four levels of information depending on the student's ability to understand it. So Some books are closed to you if you do not have a certain amount of undertstanding, and some books are only written to pass on specific types of knowledge, at a certain level. If, for example, you understood what the seven churches in Ashiah were talking about in the book of revelations then you could go back to the original document and "read between the lines". Because you have already had some direct experience with it.

And that understanding comes from direct experience. For example when the brother mentioned the one source, yes, we all agreed that it exists, but to come face to face with this one source, and experience it for yourself, is an entirely different thing. That was what spiritual teachings were supposed to do, to allow you to do certain things where you could enter in direct relationship with this Neter that expresses itself through Neteru, ancestors, other people, the experiences that you have in life, etc.


And so the purpose of the Metu Neter also has to do with allowing you to understand who we are so that you can go back home and verfiy for yourself. So you can begin to understand Divine Law yourself, based on having lived it. For example If I went and studied physics and discovered how to build a car or some device, and went and explained these laws to you,
then you could go home and test these things for yourself and replicate the results I got.

So to get past the theory, etc. and really understand Ra, etc. you have to have a system, which was left behind by those who treaded that path before you, you have to have a system, a body of knowledge, and you must experience it for yourself. That's how to keep from getting caught up.

I am willing to develope an understanding from your angle (I will just ask questions)

So Nu is Neter?

and Ra is Neteru?

If Neb er tcher (The Son) was a FORM of the creator whom raised his own self out of NU (The Father) then prior to any distinguishable form (Confusion/undifferentiation ) THE CREATOR must have been Neither "Neter"....but this would then make the Paut Neteru ....NETER

"I came into being in the form of Khepera, and I am the creator of what did come into being, that is to say, I formed myself out of the primeval matter, and I made and formed myself out of the substance which existed in primeval time. My name is AUSARES (i.e., Ausar..Neb er tcher), who is the primeval matter of primeval matter." (Is Primeval Matter...Nu?)

(With this in mind we can't even use the Father /Son analogy (Wedge) to establish your basis for deduction)

I am willing to establish a mutual basis (Even if I presently don't except it.... but let it be established in some sort of feasible context at least)



"I made all the things under the forms of which I appeared then by means of the Soul-God which I raised into firmness at that time from out of Nu, from a state of inactivity. " http://destee.com/forums/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=488800

"I came into being from out of primeval matter" (But above the promulgator states he IS the primeval matter of Primeval matter..letting it be NO mistake that He/she IS Neter)

(But maybe you'll say "Thats what Satan does (or Neteru) make you think that they ARE who created them") But you use the same utterances to establish your basis for separating Ra from Neter.

Its a done deal ..I don't see how you can't see it..:spinn:

(With this in mind we can't even use the Father /Son analogy (Wedge) to establish your basis for deduction)

The problem is I am not the one who uses the “Father/Son analogy”, it is Ra himself that does so through referring to “Nu as his Father”.

So once again we are back to square 1 and will be as long as you dodge the core philosophy of the demigods themselves.

The question is; if the Supreme Being informs you of a condition and then a Son of the Supreme Being informs you of an opposing condition; which one do you follow for correctness and righteousness?


Peace and Love.

My person is willing to capitulate.

My person will assume your inductive premise (Focus predominately on the Chasm) and follow the logic with your person.

The question is; if the Supreme Being informs you of a condition and then a Son of the Supreme Being informs you of an opposing condition; which one do you follow for correctness and righteousness?

My person would logically follow the Supreme Being. I would not even question why the son of the supreme being is offering an opposing view(as long as I am in alignment with the Supreme Being) but I would be extreemly leary of the sons intentions.

My person is willing to capitulate.

My person will assume your inductive premise (Focus predominately on the Chasm) and follow the logic with your person.



My person would logically follow the Supreme Being. I would not even question why the son of the supreme being is offering an opposing view(as long as I am in alignment with the Supreme Being) but I would be extreemly leary of the sons intentions.
Thank you for answering the question. As scholars and people of study we should first be willing to display the difference between good and evil towards The Universe.


I would be extreemly leary of the sons intentions.


Well, remember that duality thingy you were talking about?

Due to the reality that the Supreme Being can have no equal we must be exposed to a non-equal and lesser duality. This becomes the intent of demigods and goddesses.


Isa:14:14: I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.


We see the exact same intent in the Dogon Song between Amma and the Ogo. We also see it in the KJV Bible between YHVH ALHYM and Jesus. We see this in several Egyptian Bibles such as mans struggle against Ra because he was old and dribbled spittle from his mouth (from the point of view of Ra worshipers), then we see it between Ra and Apep.

We would all naturally lean on the Supreme Being but the Supreme Being had to create resistance to that and make it a challenge, thus the manifestation of Sons of GOD etc….etc.

Peace and Love.

Thank you for answering the question. As scholars and people of study we should first be willing to display the difference between good and evil towards The Universe.



Well, remember that duality thingy you were talking about?

Due to the reality that the Supreme Being can have no equal we must be exposed to a non-equal and lesser duality. This becomes the intent of demigods and goddesses.


Isa:14:14: I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.


We see the exact same intent in the Dogon Song between Amma and the Ogo. We also see it in the KJV Bible between YHVH ALHYM and Jesus. We see this in several Egyptian Bibles such as mans struggle against Ra because he was old and dribbled spittle from his mouth (from the point of view of Ra worshipers), then we see it between Ra and Apep.

We would all naturally lean on the Supreme Being but the Supreme Being had to create resistance to that and make it a challenge, thus the manifestation of Sons of GOD etc….etc.

Peace and Love.

Using your scientific mind could you explain how the physical universe all got started?

:qqb003:

Music Producer,

could you please explain to me what you mean when you say that
the Supreme Being can have no equal?

Thank you

We can clamor on all day about idealisms, events, truths, and even facts. It helps to do this in a way. For those who are at the climax of their own truth, NOW is the time to not let anyone "make" you think about anything. SIMPLE, huh? Think about what you've accepted as universal truth about SELF. Think about how you FEEL. Think about your attributes, qualities, and skills. Think about your family, immediate and extended. Think about the moment because it will pass with every debate and every argument.

Let's Build! Action! No Lights, No Camera. This is what Men Nefer is all about. Ancient Africans were builders, alchemists, Kings, Queens, Magicians, guards, Priests, Cooks, artists, and most of all Men and Women with powerful attributes. These attributes lay dormant in your very genes. So, wake up! This is what Sesostris, Zoser, Imhotep, Ramses, Tehuti, Khnum, Seshat, Tiy, Isis, Ankenaton, and many more were about. PRODUCTIVITY. LEISURE.

The same things our Kingly Chromosome-carrying grandmothers been telling us for generations...

"If you don't work, you don't eat." "Work before you play." "Only speak when spoken to." "Eat your vegetables." "Pull those pants up." "Go to school." "Quit crying and toughen up."

Preparing you for the war we all face. The message of dieties, gods, neters, neterts, ancients, old, and new are in the sayings of good Grandmothers.

Using your scientific mind could you explain how the physical universe all got started?

:qqb003:
The Universe has always existed because it is the Womb of Amma/The Supreme Being/Neter etc... Even in the Egyptian language “Neter” means “Eternal” thus as for The Universe itself there is no “got started”.

Things inside of The Universe/GOD got started when Amma decided to give birth to the stars, planets a system of physics and existence. The Dogon Song suggest this birth of all physical things originated from the Sirius system and it is the center of The Universe and the origin in which several groups of stars and planets circle around.

In other words it is the Egg or the Beben.

Peace and Love.

Music Producer,

could you please explain to me what you mean when you say that
the Supreme Being can have no equal?

Thank you
Then it would no longer be “Supreme”.

“Supreme” is defined as absolute in all ways even existence thus there can be no equal or it would no longer fit the meaning of “Supreme Being”.

Peace and Love.

Excellent and on the money menefer. Exisitence is of what u speak. However i have come to the conclusion that sum are not in a postion to accept exisitence. They must continue to be live. Or get stuck in theories. The personification of existence as is the neters is an example of this as well. sum cannot get be yond the personification of the neteru as well (they must continually trivalize allegories and stories). What u speak of is what the beautiful elder calls "the perfect night" Awesome undiffiernated matter having the potential to be any thing. We are all examples of this fact. To brother producer u are correct there is one source from which every thing has it's starting point(subjective). (it) to objectify it as one thing(physical) is incorrect for it has omni potential , omni present, etc is alive and real.


However sometimes brother it is my opinion that titles names (theories) get u a little caught up.

-That is where religion was originally supposed to come in. A body of knowledge and practices that would allow you to 'tie back' or 'yoke' you back with this Neter by providing you with instructions on how to interact directly with Neter the way you interact with someone sitting beside you. To keep from keep from getting caught up with titles, names and theories, remember our ancestors were trying to explain things that could not be fully contained in words concepts and theory. So that is why there were these parables, metaphors, etc. That is why there were teachers, ancestors, and a whole society within which you would be able to test the concepts.

Some experiences are best described in an abstract metaphorical sense. For example there is a book called the 12 hours of the night (Sesh Em Taut). What the name of the book says to you (In English and in Kemetic) depends on your level of insight into the subject matter of the book. In that one statement, the title of the book there are layers of knowledge, in one sentence it has 3 or four levels of information depending on the student's ability to understand it. So Some books are closed to you if you do not have a certain amount of undertstanding, and some books are only written to pass on specific types of knowledge, at a certain level. If, for example, you understood what the seven churches in Ashiah were talking about in the book of revelations then you could go back to the original document and "read between the lines". Because you have already had some direct experience with it.

And that understanding comes from direct experience. For example when the brother mentioned the one source, yes, we all agreed that it exists, but to come face to face with this one source, and experience it for yourself, is an entirely different thing. That was what spiritual teachings were supposed to do, to allow you to do certain things where you could enter in direct relationship with this Neter that expresses itself through Neteru, ancestors, other people, the experiences that you have in life, etc.


And so the purpose of the Metu Neter also has to do with allowing you to understand who we are so that you can go back home and verfiy for yourself. So you can begin to understand Divine Law yourself, based on having lived it. For example If I went and studied physics and discovered how to build a car or some device, and went and explained these laws to you,
then you could go home and test these things for yourself and replicate the results I got.

So to get past the theory, etc. and really understand Ra, etc. you have to have a system, which was left behind by those who treaded that path before you, you have to have a system, a body of knowledge, and you must experience it for yourself. That's how to keep from getting caught up.[/QUO




hotep dear sir


interesting response i re member having the same conversation with a muslim brother . He stated the same as u in regards to systems and them being in place to suit the purposes of education direction or re ligion as u correctly stated. However once it is recognized that the stories methaphors and allegories are what they are. It is vital for us to step out of our infancy stage of development and begin to recognize reality for what it is not what makes us comfortable because we are used to it. The warm blanket must be lifted off of us so to speak. I have no problems with systems. But how long must we stay linked with mythology after we recognized it for what it really is. why was it so hard for our ancestors to teach us this system that they had to put it into fairy tales and personify pieces of the all. Was there desire to keep us asleep forever? I understand that every thing is not for everyone as well. Sometimes i just gotta put it out there to re mind some of my brothers and sisters. Thanks for the response to my post i look forward to future dialouge with you.

The Universe has always existed because it is the Womb of Amma/The Supreme Being/Neter etc... Even in the Egyptian language “Neter” means “Eternal” thus as for The Universe itself there is no “got started”.

Things inside of The Universe/GOD got started when Amma decided to give birth to the stars, planets a system of physics and existence. The Dogon Song suggest this birth of all physical things originated from the Sirius system and it is the center of The Universe and the origin in which several groups of stars and planets circle around.

In other words it is the Egg or the Beben.

Peace and Love.

The key words in my question was 'scientific' and 'things' . Things like gravity, heat, elements like helium and hydrogen come into play. Events like explosions and black holes take place. Or didn't they ?

Your question is too vague to answer in our language or on our level.
Let me check, You did ask how the "physical universe" got started, correct?
To answer this question like a true teacher, which is thoroughly, on ewould have to provide facts and not just another big bang theory. The History channel plays a show called The Universe, seen it? It explains a lot of the elemental qualities of space and beyond, showing pictures and giving recorded data from events.

However, for a black man to answer a question about the universe, he must either study at the equivalent of a college astronomer or become a highlt spiritual person to recieve this out-formation. Using the Periodic Table, you can almost put together your own universe, mentally, after studying the necessary qualities to sustain life. The creator of the universe, i'm almost certain, is not concerned with the physicality of it all. The spirit is where your answer is. Not in some theoretical answer from man. Ya dig?

The key words in my question was 'scientific' and 'things' . Things like gravity, heat, elements like helium and hydrogen come into play. Events like explosions and black holes take place. Or didn't they ?
Those things would be the Nummo. It becomes difficult to explain but physics such as explosions, gravity etc…were created by the Supreme Being through the Nummo.

Gravity being the same anywhere in the Universe becomes a Nummo factor. Our reality is based on Nummo factors; this is why the O-Nummo is called master of the universe because Amma/GOD set through its molecular structure to govern aspects of reality, aspects of the physical universe.

Peace and Love.

The Nummo can be looked at as elements of the Universe that are made up of core or root elements.

The Pale Fox gets more into this concept and it would be best if you read the book for yourself to get a clear understanding of the Dogon Song.

But be advised it is difficult reading.

http://www.amazon.com/Pale-Fox-M-Griaule/dp/0939118025/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/002-6676406-6064845?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1191000478&sr=1-1

Peace and Love.

Your question is too vague to answer in our language or on our level.

It was a fair and very objective (as opposed to vague) question did you at least try to think thru an answer to my question on your particular level?

Is this level you speak of higher or lower than the constructs of my question?

In previous conversations I've had with M.P. He talked of his way of thinking things out scientifically I'll have to check, but I believe he said he too did not rely on blind faith. And we are talking about the beginning correct?

Let me check, You did ask how the "physical universe" got started, correct?
To answer this question like a true teacher, which is thoroughly, on ewould have to provide facts (in other words Truth)

and not just another big bang theory. The History channel plays a show called The Universe, seen it? It explains a lot of the elemental qualities of space and beyond, showing pictures and giving recorded data from events.

However, for a black man to answer a question about the universe, he must either study at the equivalent of a college astronomer or become a highlt spiritual person to recieve this out-formation.

Lets not assume the Black men in this thread don't fit either of 'your' criteria


Using the Periodic Table, you can almost put together your own universe, mentally, after studying the necessary qualities to sustain life. The creator of the universe, i'm almost certain, is not concerned with the physicality of it all. The spirit is where your answer is. Not in some theoretical answer from man. Ya dig?

Why would you make these particular assumptions about thee Creator?

Peace

Those things would be the Nummo. It becomes difficult to explain but physics such as explosions, gravity etc…were created by the Supreme Being through the Nummo.

Gravity being the same anywhere in the Universe becomes a Nummo factor. Our reality is based on Nummo factors; this is why the O-Nummo is called master of the universe because Amma/GOD set through its molecular structure to govern aspects of reality, aspects of the physical universe.

Peace and Love.

You can't believe the gravity based on the chain of events (after effects of a exploding star )that happen in the phenomena of a black hole is the same as here on Earth.??????

To understand the wisdom of our ancestors wouldn't we need to match the stories up to what is going on in our reality?

Ra Un Nefer Amen did an incredible job of this.

Is there still in any wonder of the 'Purpose' of the Medu Neter ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ???????????????????????

If there is thats OK too. lets cont. the constructive dialog.

You can't believe the gravity based on the chain of events (after effects of a exploding star )that happen in the phenomena of a black hole is the same as here on Earth.??????

You miss-understood what I said. I mean gravity is the same no matter where you are in the Universe, gravity is a constant. You can drop a hammer and a feather on the moon and they will hit the ground at the same time because gravity is a constant factor that governs our existence. This is only one of the forces man has discovered that is constant throughout the Universe.


To understand the wisdom of our ancestors wouldn't we need to match the stories up to what is going on in our reality?

I think Akhenaten did an excellent job of that in writing the Holy Scriptures.

Deut:28:48: Therefore shalt thou serve thine enemies which the LORD shall send against thee, in hunger, and in thirst, and in nakedness, and in want of all things: and he shall put a yoke of iron upon thy neck, until he have destroyed thee.

You can’t get anymore detailed then that without changing the future itself. Those verses speaks to every African that is a descendant of slaves and in a land that is not theirs and serves the very same people that enslaved our ancestors.


Ra Un Nefer Amen did an incredible job of this.

I disagree.


Is there still in any wonder of the 'Purpose' of the Metu Neter ???????????????

To make someone rich and powerful and keep Africans in the same old worshiping of flesh that caused us to eventually fall in the first place.

The worship of Osiris is the same as the worship of Jesus it is simply a more ancient form.

Peace and Love.

To make someone rich and powerful and keep Africans in the same old worshiping of flesh that caused us to eventually fall in the first place.

The worship of Osiris is the same as the worship of Jesus it is simply a more ancient form.

Peace and Love.

Greetings:

Can you show (honestly) within the Metu Neter the structural/textual inadequacies that keep one worshiping the flesh? ( at least For the sake of Forum activity and exposure:shades: )

I say this because you stated in the beginning of the forum that it's purpose was to guide one to the Supreme Being...Ok I'll cite: http://destee.com/forums/showpost.php?p=446016&postcount=1

It begs the question: What is YOUR purpose?

Are we to discuss whether that is the purpose or not?

If it's not, are we to agree that the forum topic has no significant relevance?

I have already acknowledged your tangent as a frame of reference unique to your background studies and interpretation of ancient text.

Hetep

Then it would no longer be “Supreme”.

“Supreme” is defined as absolute in all ways even existence thus there can be no equal or it would no longer fit the meaning of “Supreme Being”.

Peace and Love.
The paradox reveals itself ( Like the anomaly existing between The Architect and Oracle ...NEO)

If a Supreme Being were Absolute in all ways, then encoded within it's formless consciousness/Will would be the capacity to completly Oppose itself; bringing about the neutrality of its essence hence Duality, and logically (outside of the limitations, conceptually, of a beginning or an ending) causing the bark within Nu to objectify itself as itself through a manifold of agencies that oppose and complement as well ..............on down to Male and Female. Hetep

Greetings:

Can you show (honestly) within the Metu Neter the structural/textual inadequacies that keep one worshiping the flesh? ( at least For the sake of Forum activity and exposure:shades: )

I say this because you stated in the beginning of the forum that it's purpose was to guide one to the Supreme Being...Ok I'll cite: http://destee.com/forums/showpost.php?p=446016&postcount=1

It begs the question: What is YOUR purpose?

Are we to discuss whether that is the purpose or not?

If it's not, are we to agree that the forum topic has no significant relevance?

I have already acknowledged your tangent as a frame of reference unique to your background studies and interpretation of ancient text.

Hetep

Can you show (honestly) within the Metu Neter the structural/textual inadequacies that keep one worshiping the flesh? ( at least For the sake of Forum activity and exposure )

Chapter 17, Deities of the Metu Neter. Does not the book teach one to meditate on and through these deities?

If I were you I would first take the time out to read the actual ancient Egyptian Bibles that contain actions and words of these deities before I would start accepting them as your god or salvation. Remember the Supreme Being uses other Nations to judge and chastise us when we go astray. What you see in the Metu Neter is what the last of the tribes left in Egypt were practicing when another Nation such as Rome became conquers.


I say this because you stated in the beginning of the forum that it's purpose was to guide one to the Supreme Being...Ok I'll cite: http://destee.com/forums/showpost.ph...16&postcount=1

It can but most get stuck in one of the lower spheres and from that point of view they become adversarial to the Supreme Being.


It begs the question: What is YOUR purpose?

To show the black man he will never be greater then the god he worships. If you worship a suffering white man hanging on a cross then that is what you will be. If you worship a mummified man that was cut into peaces and is dead then that is what you will be. If you worship a demigoddess that poisoned a great king then that is what you will be.

Remember Osirinism is what the last of the tribes were practicing when Rome took over and we became subjects of the Roman Empire.


Are we to discuss whether that is the purpose or not?

If it's not, are we to agree that the forum topic has no significant relevance?

I have already acknowledged your tangent as a frame of reference unique to your background studies and interpretation of ancient text.

Let us understand that the Metu Neter as written by Ra Un Nefer fails to inform the reader of the difference between good and evil towards The Universe and that is why most get trapped in lower spheres.

Shouldn’t this be the primary objective of any religious scholar?

In my years of studying ideologies from ancient Africa all the way up to the New Testament there is a consistency that The Supreme Being created resistance, opposition and adversarial forces to Itself in order to challenge the loyalty of humans. In most of these ideologies these forces are called Sons of GOD.

The job of the Sons of GOD is to prove us, divide us and separate us from those that serve the Supreme Being only and those that do not.

Maybe that’s the Duality you are expressing. The Supreme Being and the Sons of the Supreme Being. When we worship Sons of GOD we amplify the negative energies, which manifest in the form of war, famine, death, destruction, oppression etc… Worshiping anything less then the Supreme Being amplifies these negative aspects of existence.

Peace and Love.

However sometimes brother it is my opinion that titles names (theories) get u a little caught up.

:bullseye:

Can you show (honestly) within the Metu Neter the structural/textual inadequacies that keep one worshiping the flesh?
No he can't show it honestly. The best he can do is to sling mud based on false premises (e.g., Metu Neter was plagiarized from white people) and faulty assumptions (folk are "serving" Ra or some other "demigod",etc.) and make vague references which in no way support his position.
It begs the question: What is YOUR purpose?
To continue blowing off steam that built up as a result of a series of beatdowns he took last year at the hands of people he refers to as "Metu Neter followers." Basically, these people were attacking him for his belief in the old testament. In response, he lashed out in anger by initiating a campaign of malicious lies & gossip directed at people who had nothing to do with the attacks on him and his beliefs --Ra Un Nefer Amen & the Ausar Auset Society.

There is a history behind the creation of this thread and the ongoing histrionics-disguised-as-intellectual-debate which predate your appearance on Destee.com. This is NOT an honest inquiry into the purpose of Metu Neter. Sorry you got caught up.

Chapter 17, Deities of the Metu Neter. Does not the book teach one to meditate on and through these deities?

No it does not. If you're claiming that it does, then show and prove by quoting directly from the book.
If I were you I would first take the time out to read the actual ancient Egyptian Bibles that contain actions and words of these deities before I would start accepting them as your god or salvation. "Metu Neter" has no concept of acceptance of any deities as one's god or salvation. In fact, it has no concept of "salvation." That idea has its origin in the religions of the caucrazies.
Remember the Supreme Being uses other Nations to judge and chastise us when we go astray. What you see in the Metu Neter is what the last of the tribes left in Egypt were practicing when another Nation such as Rome became conquers.
We've heard that line form you before. "God sent the white man to punish the Black Man for going astray." It was silly then, and it's silly now.
To show the black man he will never be greater then the god he worships.
If that's your purpose then you could have simply started a thread stating such instead of going through these convoluted measures. FYI, there is no concept of "worship" in Metu Neter. If you worship a suffering white man hanging on a cross then that is what you will be. If you worship a mummified man that was cut into peaces and is dead then that is what you will be. If you worship a demigoddess that poisoned a great king then that is what you will be.
That's all well and good, but -- once again-- the concept of "worship" doesn't exist in Metu Neter, so this is irrelevant to the book itself.
Remember Osirinism is what the last of the tribes were practicing when Rome took over and we became subjects of the Roman Empire.
Define 'Osirinism' and state what it has to do with "Metu Neter."
Let us understand that the Metu Neter as written by Ra Un Nefer fails to inform the reader of the difference between good and evil towards The Universe and that is why most get trapped in lower spheres.
This is misleading. The concept of "good and evil toward the universe" has no meaning within the scope of "Metu Neter" and is therefore irrelevant to its purpose. You haven't even defined it yourself; you just arbitrarily threw it into the mix. On page 134 of Metu Neter Ra Un Nefer Amen does give a definition of evil per se, which is:

"the invention of names, slogans, concepts, etc., that allow us to gratify and cater to the animal spirit, regardless of the price to our well being, and that of others, and worse, when they (the slogans, etc.) are used to exploit and oppress others by manipulating them through the lower part of their being."

Looking at the eurocentric conceptual framework within which your questions and innuendoes have been formulated since I last posted in this thread nearly a year ago, I see that your understanding of "Metu Neter" is just as convoluted and confused in 2007 as it was in 2006.

Peace & Love

Chapter 17, Deities of the Metu Neter. Does not the book teach one to meditate on and through these deities?

Shekhem Ur Shekhem also states that one should not even begin the exercises if they are not in the right state of mind (ie Drugs, alcohol, ect)

These constellation of faculties/agencies called Neteru are an intelligencia of corresponding functions residing within & seemingly outside US and can be Tem - or Tu + ...These neg/Pos are explained but if you have no understanding of the interelationships you are admonished to cease activity. Bro MP...You just haven't convinced me that you have that understanding (and thats Okay!)

Meditation, Deity invocation, rituals are all in the service of alkhemical processes concerning the Ka. One is preparing to "recieve" which is indicative of the word "Qbl."

Outside of our discourse of the Metu Neter it is a fact that we are complexed systems; and the unity that we "FEEL," is a concerted effect of multifarious physiological stuctures; beyond those is a further reduction into cells and molecules ECT. Our SENSE of being a singular entity is a cumulative effect of our sensory modalities. (an illusion) Neter encapsulates our capricious experiences of GOOD and EVIL and it would be an Artificial God who would propose some rigid system of making finite this GOOD and EVIL you speak of.

Sis Marimba Ani speaks of (Yurugu) a deficient being whom seeks to fanatically dichotomize and ratio-nalize who and what God is ; objectifying or creating a lesser aspect of reality in order to justify the dominate or supreme stance of the other side. Shekhem ur Shekhem speaks of the confederacy of 72 that correspond to the brocca and wiernicky centers of the brain ...the tendency to separate/ segregate because one MUST do so in order to exploit. If I were to entertain an EVIL concept then the over emphasis of wanting differences and imposing rigid ranking systems (exemplified by man) would be my Devil/Satan.


If I were you I would first take the time out to read the actual ancient Egyptian Bibles that contain actions and words of these deities

It was an assumption that I hadn't. (I don't find any of your person's Blair Witch spookiness in anything that you have brought up or I have read)

before I would start accepting them as your god or salvation.

Again ...You are espousing a myopic and literal approach to these readings (for whatever reason) which IMO are rooted and nurtured in repetative scriptural diagnostics.
It is not required that you except whether it rains or the wind blows or that intellectualism/reasoning is the byproduct of naturally occuring spirals .....IT JUST IS.

Remember the Supreme Being uses other Nations to judge and chastise us when we go astray. What you see in the Metu Neter is what the last of the tribes left in Egypt were practicing when another Nation such as Rome became conquers.

Other people, other Nations , your Moms, Boss, your person, Sekert ect.

What I saw in the Metu Neter gave more texture and uniformity to what was already nebulously KNOWN ..TuaU Tehuti/Sebek! Specifically / *Tua Neter* Generally.


it can but most get stuck in one of the lower spheres and from that point of view they become adversarial to the Supreme Being.

YES! TUaU Neter for your person. Most are stuck period because they look at initiation as a sacrifice...What are you sacrificing? Indentifying with your person!!!!?

Mr Producer if you believe "it can"...but also believe Chap 17 teaches one to follow Demogods then you are truly expressing your own duality.

In your reading, in what way do you see "It Can" without the bias of it also trapping a great number in the lower spheres? (serious bizzness..I really want to know that one, aside from the forum catching some action:horse: .)


To show the black man he will never be greater then the god he worships. If you worship a suffering white man hanging on a cross then that is what you will be.

This is a self fulfilling prophecy concerning the coloring of your cognitions by Monolatrous sun worship and Ptolomies Septugiant from which the 72 Ghost transcribed from a never to be found Old Testament.


If you worship a mummified man that was cut into peaces and is dead then that is what you will be. If you worship a demigoddess that poisoned a great king then that is what you will be.

es Mut ah Khenemet Aungkhet....Tua meri Aungk Auset...sa en Aungk



Remember Osirinism is what the last of the tribes were practicing when Rome took over and we became subjects of the Roman Empire.

This falls through my fingers like sand ...am I to assume something???


Let us understand that the Metu Neter as written by Ra Un Nefer fails to inform the reader of the difference between good and evil towards The Universe and that is why most get trapped in lower spheres.

Shouldn’t this be the primary objective of any religious scholar?

The Knowledge of Good and Evil??

Didn't that get your peeps in the situation they in now?

Maati IS the two truths ...that neg and pos game is played.

For the record though...Shekhem ur Shekhem gave a formula for initiation that he accords to the Shepsu akhu ...most get trapped for similar reasons that motivate skeptics' spurious analysis.

We both acknowledge Neter....my ways and actions will reflect whether my understanding of Neteru is false as well as yours....in the meantime we got some solidarity issues to deal with.

You miss-understood what I said. I mean gravity is the same no matter where you are in the Universe, gravity is a constant. You can drop a hammer and a feather on the moon and they will hit the ground at the same time because gravity is a constant factor that governs our existence. This is only one of the forces man has discovered that is constant throughout the Universe.


Hiphopolx
Actually I'm over-standing what you are trying to convey. The stories in the The Pert Em Heru / Kemetian Texts, the books in the bible, Koran etc are subjective, as oppose to objective. Now what make those subjective writings or stories truly "Holy" or Exceptional is it's measured ability to parallel our objective reality in some form. The authors of religious writings have to be highly talented artists and scientists to accomplish this task. This is why I asked the question 'Using your scientific mind could you explain how the physical universe all got started?'
( Sha'iyn )
No matter what religion you refer to, it all should parallel our objective reality to accomplish its purpose as emanuel goodman said ' That is where religion was originally supposed to come in. A body of knowledge and practices that would allow you to 'tie back' or 'yoke' you back with this Neter by providing you with instructions on how to interact directly with Neter the way you interact with someone sitting beside you.' A young person or anyone not partially developed(spiritully) is not going to able to understand the same things as an elder particularly a spiritually mature one or the comprehend the works of gifted scientist so that is where 'art' comes in. Storytellers, poets, musicians etc that can transform for example How the creator came into being is truly amazing and rare. Not only would they have to objectively understand it but they would also have to have the talent to spit it into a poem, story, song or capture it in a painting
( hieroglyphics )
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An example of a art paralleling life thru the soul of someone spiritully mature would be 'I Know Why the Caged Bird Sings' by Maya Angelou
There are countless examples, But as I said RUNA did a incredible job cause he used a multiple of religious references to show how they tied in with the Truth.

So if you truly understand your religious literature then it should parallel objective phenomena. Otherwise it should chalked up to fiction and seen as so.

By the way, Being that they(art form paralleling reality) tie-in with the Truth WE/I could truly say that they(art form paralleling reality) are truly the word/work of God

But being that you've reached sphere 0 you already know this :).
Have you re-accessed that claim you made or are you still standing by it, just curious.

Peace and Love.

And Soullllllllll
(I was just watching the best of 'Soul Train' don't mind me I have to balance myself out with such silly phenomena at times)

I thought I'd be only one posting in the wee hours of night.
interesting similatities of behavior seems to be occuring
:SuN023:
:em0800:

You miss-understood what I said. I mean gravity is the same no matter where you are in the Universe, gravity is a constant. You can drop a hammer and a feather on the moon and they will hit the ground at the same time because gravity is a constant factor that governs our existence. This is only one of the forces man has discovered that is constant throughout the Universe.


Peace and Love.

And what of a universe made up of no-things or one made up of one thing?

Gravity requires at least 2 things

Gravity the religion of inamimate objects (from this one's perspective) also trying to tie back to its source, reflects what were are trying to do here?
Yes/No ?
The truth is all around us maybe you should look outside of the books.
:qqb022:

Peace

So why is there a whole chapter called “Deities of the Metu Neter”?

What does the word “deity” mean?

No it does not. If you're claiming that it does, then show and prove by quoting directly from the book.

Page 235 where the author refers to the earth as a God while explaining Geb. We don’t have to kid one another; the Metu Neter attempts to revitalize Egyptian ideology. As long as our ancestors had multiple temples, statues and idols to these deities we can clearly call it idolatry of Neteru / Polytheism which is the exact same thing we got punished, judged, enslaved and chastised for committing.

It is a system of exploiting the polytheistic ancestors while totally ignoring and sweeping under a rug our Neter / Monotheistic ancestors.

All of the Egyptian ideology springs from the Dogon Song when we return to the Dogon Song and culture we discover that any term such as “GOD”, “Supreme Being” etc.. is reserved for Amma only.

So you tell me how did the original Monotheistic African Dogon ideology get turned into Polytheism in referring to anything and everything as god?


"Metu Neter" has no concept of acceptance of any deities as one's god or salvation. In fact, it has no concept of "salvation." That idea has its origin in the religions of the caucrazies.

There you go again giving props to the white man.

The original idea comes from ones heart being weighed in the balances. If you did not receive “salvation” then a monster named Ammit would eat your heart because it was weighed down with sin being heavier then Maat (Feather / Truth). This entire scenery of Judgment can be seen on page 14 Book of the Dead by R.O. Faulkner. Also the Negative Confessions deal directly with the idea of “salvation”. Whenever one of the Pharaohs would go into battle and utter a song or pray to his god for protection, it is a concept of salvation. The white man did not invent the concept, our ancestors did.


We've heard that line form you before. "God sent the white man to punish the Black Man for going astray." It was silly then, and it's silly now.

Then you explain how a less advanced people, a less advanced nation could conquer and enslave a people that was on this earth more then 40,000 years before them?

That would be equivalent to people of earth discovering an advanced civilization of another planet by 40,000 years and us going to war with them and winning.

That sir is not natural. There had to be an outside force that swayed the advanced civilization to make us dumb. The Old Testament suggest that Force was the Supreme Being because we abandoned HIM for lesser gods which made us lesser people because no man can be greater then the god he perceives.


If that's your purpose then you could have simply started a thread stating such instead of going through these convoluted measures. FYI, there is no concept of "worship" in Metu Neter.

Yaaa, it is, it’s just covered up with words like meditate, concentrate or imagine…..


Define 'Osirinism' and state what it has to do with "Metu Neter."

It is the opposite of Monotheism.


This is misleading. The concept of "good and evil toward the universe" has no meaning within the scope of "Metu Neter" and is therefore irrelevant to its purpose. You haven't even defined it yourself; you just arbitrarily threw it into the mix. On page 134 of Metu Neter Ra Un Nefer Amen does give a definition of evil per se, which is:

"the invention of names, slogans, concepts, etc., that allow us to gratify and cater to the animal spirit, regardless of the price to our well being, and that of others, and worse, when they (the slogans, etc.) are used to exploit and oppress others by manipulating them through the lower part of their being."

Looking at the eurocentric conceptual framework within which your questions and innuendoes have been formulated since I last posted in this thread nearly a year ago, I see that your understanding of "Metu Neter" is just as convoluted and confused in 2007 as it was in 2006.

The operative statement is ------- towards The Universe-------- which means towards GOD / The Supreme Being. Every Scholar that writes a book will inform you of good and evil towards man or each other. That is not the relationship that concerns me. It’s our relationship with GOD / The Universe that makes the difference.

Peace and Love.

No he can't show it honestly. The best he can do is to sling mud based on false premises (e.g., Metu Neter was plagiarized from white people) and faulty assumptions (folk are "serving" Ra or some other "demigod",etc.) and make vague references which in no way support his position.

To continue blowing off steam that built up as a result of a series of beatdowns he took last year at the hands of people he refers to as "Metu Neter followers." Basically, these people were attacking him for his belief in the old testament. In response, he lashed out in anger by initiating a campaign of malicious lies & gossip directed at people who had nothing to do with the attacks on him and his beliefs --Ra Un Nefer Amen & the Ausar Auset Society.

There is a history behind the creation of this thread and the ongoing histrionics-disguised-as-intellectual-debate which predate your appearance on Destee.com. This is NOT an honest inquiry into the purpose of Metu Neter. Sorry you got caught up.




As far as the mud slinging...Bro MP's position is not unique in the "Sense" that Person + Person x Person/Person - person always = Person (This is the incontrovertable fact revealed through the Paut Neteru)


Yes....actually I have read alot of the prior post between bro Nibs, yourself, Samaurai, Anuk Ausar and others ...When I came across this post "Purpose of the Metu Neter" I knew the facts about the readings itself would be enough in regards to Bro Mp's argument against it. I also knew bro mp would stubbornly keep the ball rolling and that those who chose to entertain this discussion would get a small overview through the "Seeming" controversy.

Sekhet Hetepu

So why is there a whole chapter called “Deities of the Metu Neter”?

What does the word “deity” mean?

Bro Mp...Read the Chap. on Sekert or Seker (Go into protracted (Tortoise style) thinking about the 50 gates of Binah or the 50 skulls of Kali ..Kundalini..oars on Ra's boat ...Sound units composed within the 14 kau.

Think...."Devatas" which correspond to Hekau (Bro J's "Verbs of Power") and then say to yourself ...." Deities OF the Metu Neter"

Without getting into your criticizm of the relevancy or meaning of the phrase "Metu Neter", The phrase: "Deities of the Metu Neter" is not referring to the title of the book but to the primordial utterances or the agencies (various configurations) that the WORD/Aung (The Khet that AU-set sought from the poisoned Ra) is comprised of.

From this point of view (I'm sure the Authors position) the reader is being "Informed," *after reading and "understanding" the previous chap,* of the various qualities of THE WORD. (What does it say in the beginnng of the OT genesis?)

(Taking it to the bridge)

As bro Sami Maati Ra stated in ref to Metu Neter: the invention of names, slogans, concepts, etc., that allow us to gratify and cater to the animal spirit, regardless of the price to our well being, and that of others, and worse, when they (the slogans, etc.) are used to exploit and oppress others by manipulating them through the lower part of their being.


We have to remember (before we wage an all out WAR on ones frail person) that... "Words in which there is no objective reality are the major sources of delusion."

As stated in other spiritual text but Metu Neter in particular, we experience a considerable portion of our reality through words that stand in place for the actual (one to one) experience of the reality. If we just patiently realized that in our discourse we would (atleast) be able to properly diagnose tactfully what we should entertain ...marinate on...or reject and keep it movin while agressively focusing on our solidarity.

Bro Hip Hop: The truth is all around us maybe you should look outside of the books.

I know I am using Band wagon tactics but my real intentions are focused on the various contributions by like minded bro's out of respect for the subject and I won't leave you out :)

Bro Omo: I agree and thanks for stating this because I dont thing anyone else clarified that point.

True and Living :Neter doesn't mean "God" necessarily, it just means PRIMARY.So fundamental mental constructs, personalities, principles, persons
places or things, can be PRIMARIES.Divine Ruler Equality Allah (Rh)

Bro Emanuel :To brother producer u are correct there is one source from which every thing has it's starting point(subjective). (it) to objectify it as one thing(physical) is incorrect for it has omni potential , omni present, etc is alive and real. However sometimes brother it is my opinion that titles names (theories) get u a little caught up.

And so the purpose of the Metu Neter also has to do with allowing you to understand who we are so that you can go back home and verfiy for yourself. So you can begin to understand Divine Law yourself, based on having lived it. For example If I went and studied physics and discovered how to build a car or some device, and went and explained these laws to you, then you could go home and test these things for yourself and replicate the results I got.

And your Person : It can but most get stuck in one of the lower spheres and from that point of view they become adversarial to the Supreme Being. This statement is represented in the "antithesis" of 1 & 9 on the Paut Neteru. Meri Tu Maat

Bro Mp...Read the Chap. on Sekert or Seker (Go into protracted (Tortoise style) thinking about the 50 gates of Binah or the 50 skulls of Kali ..Kundalini..oars on Ra's boat ...Sound units composed within the 14 kau.

Think...."Devatas" which correspond to Hekau (Bro J's "Verbs of Power") and then say to yourself ...." Deities OF the Metu Neter"

Without getting into your criticizm of the relevancy or meaning of the phrase "Metu Neter", The phrase: "Deities of the Metu Neter" is not referring to the title of the book but to the primordial utterances or the agencies (various configurations) that the WORD/Aung (The Khet that AU-set sought from the poisoned Ra) is comprised of.

From this point of view (I'm sure the Authors position) the reader is being "Informed," *after reading and "understanding" the previous chap,* of the various qualities of THE WORD. (What does it say in the beginnng of the OT genesis?)

(Taking it to the bridge)

As bro Sami Maati Ra stated in ref to Metu Neter:


We have to remember (before we wage an all out WAR on ones frail person) that... "Words in which there is no objective reality are the major sources of delusion."

As stated in other spiritual text but Metu Neter in particular, we experience a considerable portion of our reality through words that stand in place for the actual (one to one) experience of the reality. If we just patiently realized that in our discourse we would (atleast) be able to properly diagnose tactfully what we should entertain ...marinate on...or reject and keep it movin while agressively focusing on our solidarity.

Bro Hip Hop:

I know I am using Band wagon tactics but my real intentions are focused on the various contributions by like minded bro's out of respect for the subject and I won't leave you out :)

Bro Omo:

True and Living :

Bro Emanuel :



And your Person : This statement is represented in the "antithesis" of 1 & 9 on the Paut Neteru. Meri Tu Maat


I appreciate your intentions but, I feel like this type of dialog quickly fizzles out unless someone like mr M.P. doesn't come in with a verbal can of kerosene and throws it in the dialog. I believe Bro. Love Unknown attempted a much needed dialog before
http://destee.com/forums/showthread.php?t=48036
(in my opinion) and it didn't survive long. I even made a futile attempt to find something to disagree with (I'm not as skilled as Bro. Music Producer in this) but that thread quickly came and gone.
Another one which came and went was

http://destee.com/forums/showthread.php?t=45204
So the I express this with the intended purpose of pointing out (being conscious of) a pattern. And hoping that this dialog continues to shed 'light' whether kerosene is thrown in or not.

Peace

P.S I hate to sound like Clide but you did leave me hanging here
http://destee.com/forums/showthread.php?t=45205

I'm still trying to understand this science of sounds.

(I'm not as skilled as Bro. Music Producer in this)

:qqb011:

Yes....Bro Mp has a convincing repugnance for this illusory adversary he has created and reminds me of Dr Vanhelsing with Dracula :SuN004:

....Yeah I remember when you gave that prompt before and I wanted to get back to that post ....I started feeling that maybe I was setting myself (self motivated) up for a commitment to drum on Chap by Chap so I chilled.

Sorry, Forgive my answer to your question Hip-Hopolyx. I apologize for reiterationg your statement and calling your question, vague. Pardon me for also giving you the wrong impression of myself. So, let's start over shall we...

My name is Shaiyn Abdul Quduws. I am a traveller and an artist. I have a campaign for the awakening of a new Africa starting with art and culture. So, with no further ado, any questions?

Originally Posted by Music Producer
It can but most get stuck in one of the lower spheres and from that point of view they become adversarial to the Supreme Being.

This statement is represented in the "antithesis" of 1 & 9 on the Paut Neteru. Meri Tu Maat


So if we understand that service to demigods can cause us to be adversarial to the Supreme Being, when this wisdom comes to us, why do we continue to serve it?

It is just like when I show Servants of Jesus adversarial or contrary verses to the Specific Word of The Supreme Being they simply ignore it or sweep it under the rug because it don’t jive in support of their service to a Son of GOD.

We understand that the deities of the Ennead are inert elements of nature and would dissolve without the Supreme Being constantly recycling their purpose, yet we meditate on those elements as demigods.

We understand that Ra and Apep is the difference between day and night and their story is a representation of natural processes created by The Supreme Being yet we meditate on Ra and Apep.

We fell away from Supreme intellect when we rebelled against the Supreme Being and started meditating on creations of the Supreme Being.

Shu (cool dry air) is not the Supreme Being but a creation of.

Tefnut (moister, warm air) is not the Supreme Being but a creation of.

All of these are aspects of our environment that was created by the Supreme Being.

When we convert Gab (earth) to its true meaning you tell me do you believe humans should scoop up a pile of mud and worship it try to communicate with it and seek wisdom from it?

What I reveal is the exact same perception the Supreme Being communicates to us in teaching us the difference……….

Isa: 44:
16: He burneth part thereof in the fire; with part thereof he eateth flesh; he roasteth roast, and is satisfied: yea, he warmeth himself, and saith, Aha, I am warm, I have seen the fire:
17: And the residue thereof he maketh a god, even his graven image: he falleth down unto it, and worshippeth it, and prayeth unto it, and saith, Deliver me; for thou art my god.
18: They have not known nor understood: for he hath shut their eyes, that they cannot see; and their hearts, that they cannot understand.
19: And none considereth in his heart, neither is there knowledge nor understanding to say, I have burned part of it in the fire; yea, also I have baked bread upon the coals thereof; I have roasted flesh, and eaten it: and shall I make the residue thereof an abomination? shall I fall down to the stock of a tree?
20: He feedeth on ashes: a deceived heart hath turned him aside, that he cannot deliver his soul, nor say, Is there not a lie in my right hand?


Peace and Love.

Isa: 44:
16: He burneth part thereof in the fire; with part thereof he eateth flesh; he roasteth roast, and is satisfied: yea, he warmeth himself, and saith, Aha, I am warm, I have seen the fire:
17: And the residue thereof he maketh a god, even his graven image: he falleth down unto it, and worshippeth it, and prayeth unto it, and saith, Deliver me; for thou art my god.
18: They have not known nor understood: for he hath shut their eyes, that they cannot see; and their hearts, that they cannot understand.
19: And none considereth in his heart, neither is there knowledge nor understanding to say, I have burned part of it in the fire; yea, also I have baked bread upon the coals thereof; I have roasted flesh, and eaten it: and shall I make the residue thereof an abomination? shall I fall down to the stock of a tree?
20: He feedeth on ashes: a deceived heart hath turned him aside, that he cannot deliver his soul, nor say, Is there not a lie in my right hand?
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It is Man's seemingly unabated and uncoerced WILL that you have an issue with Bro MP.

The "Supreme Being" in these passages are addressing Israel & Jacob about those whom have searched for salvation outside of themselves in THINGS. These things are fractional aspects of Neter (as you stated ) and come in an endless variety of forms. People Deify their Mates...Their clever abilities to manipulate symbols or sound bytes, People deify strategems for success and delectable items (Isa 44:9). I think Bro Emanuel stated this also but YES! people worship the Deities *IN AND OF THEMSELVES* and overlook the interdependency that IS Neter; this is a fallacy and as you stated, antagonistic to the Supreme Being (who they truly are). People even identify with their person and embellish it; place an alter to it....This is worshiping the Holy Calf or deify Auset; excising her from the *Company*. People Worship Het Heru ....Shekhem ur Shekhem talked about not mistaking her glitter for Gold, Sebek/intellectualism ect.

Bro Mp......People worship tradition even when it gets in the way of truly embracing Neter. They will swear up and down (with the same intesity that you percieve that I am doing about the meaning of Neteru) that their fanatical clinging to tradition IS the same as embracing the Supreme Being and they are truly deluding themselves. (But no one can figure that out but that person...hugh:idea: )

We understand that the deities of the Ennead are inert elements of nature and would dissolve without the Supreme Being constantly recycling their purpose, yet we meditate on those elements as demigods.

"to be inert is to be in a state of doing little or nothing."

So You Blame the inert elements? (The same elements that facilitate mans existence and are "used" in mans service to worship idols)

They are like Jeannies that mediate mans relationship with GOD (Ausar) or his lower self (Set). (Don't kill the messengers)

Objectifying and placing value through correspondences serves as a navigational system for man to *calibrate* him/herself.

But lets keep rollin :run: ......Hetep

So You Blame the inert elements?

No, I blame us for turning inert elements into demigods to exploit scientific ideology for power and money through converting it into a religion.


The same elements that facilitate mans existence

But they don’t do that without the Command / Program of the Supreme Being.


They are like Jeannies that mediate mans relationship with GOD (Ausar) or his lower self (Set).

You are starting to sound Christian and that is because Osirinism is simply an older form of Christianity.

How can you call Ausar (GOD) when he is theologically recorded as less?


Don't kill the messengers

I don’t kill them, as I said I believe in all ancient Scriptures of the demigods when spoken in their name as their words. What I do is establish those demigods in relations to the Supreme Being. Most all of them challenge the Supreme Being in some way. They do this to test us and prove us against The Supreme Being.

How can you call Ausar (GOD) when he is theologically recorded as less?

How? "Anuk Ausar"

I don’t kill them, as I said I believe in all ancient Scriptures of the demigods when spoken in their name as their words. What I do is establish those demigods in relations to the Supreme Being. Most all of them challenge the Supreme Being in some way. They do this to test us and prove us against The Supreme Being.

Is that how they work for you......Is that How you have come to understand them ? That is different......but that is not the schematic which outlines the logistics of the Paut Neteru in regards to Neter or the purpose of the Metu Neter. (Authored by Shekhem ur Shekhem Ra Un Nefer Amen )


There were some other issues I brought up previously that I don't think you gave fair attention to.....:ghost:

*It is Man's seemingly unabated and uncoerced WILL that you have an issue with Bro MP.*

It is Man's seemingly unabated and uncoerced WILL that you have an issue with Bro MP.
The "Supreme Being" in these passages are addressing Israel & Jacob about those whom have searched for salvation outside of themselves in THINGS. These things are fractional aspects of Neter (as you stated ) and come in an endless variety of forms. People Deify their Mates...Their clever abilities to manipulate symbols or sound bytes, People deify strategems for success and delectable items (Isa 44:9). I think Bro Emanuel stated this also but YES! people worship the Deities *IN AND OF THEMSELVES* and overlook the interdependency that IS Neter; this is a fallacy and as you stated, antagonistic to the Supreme Being (who they truly are). People even identify with their person and embellish it; place an alter to it....This is worshiping the Holy Calf or deify Auset; excising her from the *Company*. People Worship Het Heru ....Shekhem ur Shekhem talked about not mistaking her glitter for Gold, Sebek/intellectualism ect.


You might want to stop chasing Ghouls and Goblins and come to terms :smash: with that.

(Where there is coercion:whip: there is no true expression of Freedom)

Sorry, Forgive my answer to your question Hip-Hopolyx. I apologize for reiterationg your statement and calling your question, vague. Pardon me for also giving you the wrong impression of myself. So, let's start over shall we...

My name is Shaiyn Abdul Quduws. I am a traveller and an artist. I have a campaign for the awakening of a new Africa starting with art and culture. So, with no further ado, any questions?

No problem, someone else could have been thinking the same thing and I was aware that I was taking a slightly different take on the discussion but I wanted everyone here aware if we're speaking of how the first Gods manifested we're also talking science. I wanted to see if Mr. M.P. could translate his spiritual findings objectively and he was caught off guard

He is quick to have responses to subjective dialog but to objective dialog it comes out like this
"Those things would be the Nummo. It becomes difficult to explain but physics such as explosions, gravity etc…were created by the Supreme Being through the Nummo.

Gravity being the same anywhere in the Universe becomes a Nummo factor. Our reality is based on Nummo factors; this is why the O-Nummo is called master of the universe because Amma/GOD set through its molecular structure to govern aspects of reality, aspects of the physical universe."

Verbal equivalent of 'tripping on yourself' :qqb007:

Peace

My name is Shaiyn Abdul Quduws. I am a traveller and an artist. I have a campaign for the awakening of a new Africa starting with art and culture. So, with no further ado, any questions?

What kind of Art do you do?

Originally Posted by Music Producer
How can you call Ausar (GOD) when he is theologically recorded as less?

If a person can see thru the illusion of his/her senses(remember our talk of our many senses) as things being separate then not only can one call Ausar (God) he/she can see themselves as (God). I and others in the know don't use the label too often because of the popular perceptions of God including yours, and requests to perform magic tricks and/or miracles.

Try and see thru the illusion

Peace

If we see thru the perspective presented by Allah

'Neter doesn't mean "God" necessarily, it just means PRIMARY.
So fundamental mental constructs, personalities, principles, persons
places or things, can be PRIMARIES. To me, the only word
that really means Allah in the Mdw Ntr language is Rh (to and extent
Hr/Hrw which is the inverse word for Rh)'

We can tie in the spiritual beginnings as told by our ancients to our present language and understanding or even better learn from them as did we/you learn from the Dogon in reference to the star Sirius which has a companion star which is invisible to the human eye, and the detailed info like how it has a 50 year elliptical orbit around the visible Sirius and is extremely heavy.

Alot to be learned and translated here. Subjectively and Objectively.

Peace

How? "Anuk Ausar"



Is that how they work for you......Is that How you have come to understand them ? That is different......but that is not the schematic which outlines the logistics of the Paut Neteru in regards to Neter or the purpose of the Metu Neter. (Authored by Shekhem ur Shekhem Ra Un Nefer Amen )


There were some other issues I brought up previously that I don't think you gave fair attention to.....:ghost:

*It is Man's seemingly unabated and uncoerced WILL that you have an issue with Bro MP.*




You might want to stop chasing Ghouls and Goblins and come to terms :smash: with that.

(Where there is coercion:whip: there is no true expression of Freedom)

How? "Anuk Ausar"

Osiris’s parents are Nut and Gab. This theological position that is recorded by our ancestors automatically removes Osiris from being the Supreme Being. The Supreme Being existing must be independent of anything else or it is no longer Supreme. Osiris existing is dependant on Nut and Gab.

It is just like Jesus being theologically recorded as Son of GOD but yet people who ignore, reject and spit on the gospel demand that Jesus is the Supreme Being. You are doing the exact same thing as rejecting the gospel in order to justify what you do against the Supreme Being.

Osiris is not the Supreme Being. He is theologically recorded as being a creation of the Supreme Being. Anything contrary to that ideology flows against the gospel of the ancestors.


Is that how they work for you......Is that How you have come to understand them ? That is different......but that is not the schematic which outlines the logistics of the Paut Neteru in regards to Neter or the purpose of the Metu Neter. (Authored by Shekhem ur Shekhem Ra Un Nefer Amen )


There were some other issues I brought up previously that I don't think you gave fair attention to.....

*It is Man's seemingly unabated and uncoerced WILL that you have an issue with Bro MP.*

Anything that is not Supreme that humans began to uplift more then the Supreme Being in dealing with spirituality, religion or spiritual ideology becomes sin against the Supreme Being it becomes rejection of the Supreme Being.

What are these issues you are referring to?



Originally Posted by MenNefer
It is Man's seemingly unabated and uncoerced WILL that you have an issue with Bro MP.
The "Supreme Being" in these passages are addressing Israel & Jacob about those whom have searched for salvation outside of themselves in THINGS. These things are fractional aspects of Neter (as you stated ) and come in an endless variety of forms. People Deify their Mates...Their clever abilities to manipulate symbols or sound bytes, People deify strategems for success and delectable items (Isa 44:9). I think Bro Emanuel stated this also but YES! people worship the Deities *IN AND OF THEMSELVES* and overlook the interdependency that IS Neter; this is a fallacy and as you stated, antagonistic to the Supreme Being (who they truly are). People even identify with their person and embellish it; place an alter to it....This is worshiping the Holy Calf or deify Auset; excising her from the *Company*. People Worship Het Heru ....Shekhem ur Shekhem talked about not mistaking her glitter for Gold, Sebek/intellectualism ect.

I agree.

But you speak as if you do not see yourself as a descendant of Israel and Jacob and those Specific Words do not apply to you?

Peace and Love.

Originally Posted by Music Producer
How can you call Ausar (GOD) when he is theologically recorded as less?

If a person can see thru the illusion of his/her senses(remember our talk of our many senses) as things being separate then not only can one call Ausar (God) he/she can see themselves as (God). I and others in the know don't use the label too often because of the popular perceptions of God including yours, and requests to perform magic tricks and/or miracles.

Try and see thru the illusion

Peace
We are small peaces of The Supreme Being……..

Gen:2:7: And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

We are not the Supreme Being, we are not the Universe Itself.

If we see thru the perspective presented by Allah

'Neter doesn't mean "God" necessarily, it just means PRIMARY.
So fundamental mental constructs, personalities, principles, persons
places or things, can be PRIMARIES. To me, the only word
that really means Allah in the Mdw Ntr language is Rh (to and extent
Hr/Hrw which is the inverse word for Rh)'

We can tie in the spiritual beginnings as told by our ancients to our present language and understanding or even better learn from them as did we/you learn from the Dogon in reference to the star Sirius which has a companion star which is invisible to the human eye, and the detailed info like how it has a 50 year elliptical orbit around the visible Sirius and is extremely heavy.

Alot to be learned and translated here. Subjectively and Objectively.

Peace
The problem is you accept all of that from our ancestors but when those same ancestors inform you that Amma is the only Being that is referred to as “GOD”, you reject it.

Why is that?

Peace and Love.

Osiris is not the Supreme Being. He is theologically recorded as being a creation of the Supreme Being. Anything contrary to that ideology flows against the gospel of the ancestors.


Anything that is not Supreme that humans began to uplift more then the Supreme Being in dealing with spirituality, religion or spiritual ideology becomes sin against the Supreme Being it becomes rejection of the Supreme Being.

What are these issues you are referring to?


My brother producer,

What is there that is not a creation of the Supreme Being?

Where do you see people uplifting "Osiris" more than the Supreme Being? The only people who could genuinely do so are those that don't understand the teachings.

How can you uplift your brain more than your frontal lobe?

How can you uplift you knee more than your leg?

You argue your points from a frame of reference that is not the same frame of reference as the Kemetic texts which you read from. As I stated before, you read the texts literally as if you were reading your Bible. If you do this the book is closed to you.


Clearly this argument is coming from the standpoint of one who has not really read the previous posts, nor read Metu Neter (volumes 1 or 2) or any other studies on African Spirituality either. Or the previous post of everyone on this forum either.

I say this because if you read the first few chapters on Cosmology you will see that no one (the author included) is raising Ausar above the Supreme Being. In the context of the Neteru, this is impossible! The question doesn't even come up if you understand what you are dealing with.

There were two schools or main paths of spirituality in Kamit. One was for the masses of people. The other was for those willing to work a great deal harder. One was the path of Ra and the other was the path of Ausar. But the systems both dealt with the same subject matter!

Someone comes in and says 'Ra was a person who lived a so and so time and date.' Yes, and no! Go home and study the previous posts and figure you how both answers could be correct.

You can't see this because you are coming from a totally different frame of reference. If you reread the first chapters on the acts of manifestation of the Supreme Being then the concept of Neteru is lucid. Then it's up to you to prove for yourself which presentation(as Neteru, or Archangels, or Demigods, etc.) helps you grow spiritually the best way possible. Again, you are taking Ausar and all this other stuff out of context- in the wrong context.

I am a universal artist in the art of ART itself. I have travelled many lands and to Africa I will return. I pay homage to powerful supreme beings of today and old. Ancient Supreme Beings are misconstrued because of man's lack of duty when it comes to scribing, preaching, teaching, and humblig themselves. Since Music Producer seems to have it all figured out. Here's a question...
Who on Earth humbled themselves first? and to whom did they humble themselves? We have lost our humility as well as our pride. Saying that I will say this... People are trying to emulate Supreme beings instead of finding themselves! And when these people find themselves, they forget how to shut the hell up and be humble! They like to be extremists and to extremists go extreme Karma and flow. You don't know it all! All knows you!

p.s my art is Music's essence which is harmony. Do you and i'mma do me, one.

Osiris is not the Supreme Being. He is theologically recorded as being a creation of the Supreme Being. Anything contrary to that ideology flows against the gospel of the ancestors.


Anything that is not Supreme that humans began to uplift more then the Supreme Being in dealing with spirituality, religion or spiritual ideology becomes sin against the Supreme Being it becomes rejection of the Supreme Being.

What are these issues you are referring to?


My brother producer,

What is there that is not a creation of the Supreme Being?

Where do you see people uplifting "Osiris" more than the Supreme Being? The only people who could genuinely do so are those that don't understand the teachings.

How can you uplift your brain more than your frontal lobe?

How can you uplift you knee more than your leg?

You argue your points from a frame of reference that is not the same frame of reference as the Kemetic texts which you read from. As I stated before, you read the texts literally as if you were reading your Bible. If you do this the book is closed to you.


Clearly this argument is coming from the standpoint of one who has not really read the previous posts, nor read Metu Neter (volumes 1 or 2) or any other studies on African Spirituality either. Or the previous post of everyone on this forum either.

I say this because if you read the first few chapters on Cosmology you will see that no one (the author included) is raising Ausar above the Supreme Being. In the context of the Neteru, this is impossible! The question doesn't even come up if you understand what you are dealing with.

There were two schools or main paths of spirituality in Kamit. One was for the masses of people. The other was for those willing to work a great deal harder. One was the path of Ra and the other was the path of Ausar. But the systems both dealt with the same subject matter!

Someone comes in and says 'Ra was a person who lived a so and so time and date.' Yes, and no! Go home and study the previous posts and figure you how both answers could be correct.

You can't see this because you are coming from a totally different frame of reference. If you reread the first chapters on the acts of manifestation of the Supreme Being then the concept of Neteru is lucid. Then it's up to you to prove for yourself which presentation(as Neteru, or Archangels, or Demigods, etc.) helps you grow spiritually the best way possible. Again, you are taking Ausar and all this other stuff out of context- in the wrong context.


My brother producer,

What is there that is not a creation of the Supreme Being?

The Supreme Being.


Where do you see people uplifting "Osiris" more than the Supreme Being?

Read the Egyptian Book of the Dead. Read religious history in Egypt as Osiris becomes the main state deification over Ra, Amun or Aten. History is repetitive and the way Osiris became the main state deification to the point as to where Egypt was judged so does Jesus move in the same way in history.


How can you uplift your brain more than your frontal lobe?

How can you uplift you knee more than your leg?

OK,
show me the ancestral Egyptian writings that reveals Osiris as you are presenting him today. When you show me these ancient Egyptian writings then I will know you have not simply invented something like Servants of Jesus do with the Trinity in order to justify what you do against the Supreme Being.


Ex:20:3: Thou shalt have no other gods before me.


Do you see those Words as absolute?

Do you believe in your hart and soul that humans should worship and uplift flesh; dead or alive, as a god, goddess or demigod?

Peace and Love.

I am a universal artist in the art of ART itself. I have travelled many lands and to Africa I will return. I pay homage to powerful supreme beings of today and old. Ancient Supreme Beings are misconstrued because of man's lack of duty when it comes to scribing, preaching, teaching, and humblig themselves. Since Music Producer seems to have it all figured out. Here's a question...
Who on Earth humbled themselves first? and to whom did they humble themselves? We have lost our humility as well as our pride. Saying that I will say this... People are trying to emulate Supreme beings instead of finding themselves! And when these people find themselves, they forget how to shut the hell up and be humble! They like to be extremists and to extremists go extreme Karma and flow. You don't know it all! All knows you!

p.s my art is Music's essence which is harmony. Do you and i'mma do me, one.

Who on Earth humbled themselves first?

The Nummo


and to whom did they humble themselves?

Amma / The Supreme Being / GOD / The Universe etc…


You don't know it all!

I don’t pretend to know it all, that’s why I have started a thread asking several questions. If no one offers to answer those questions I guess it falls back on me to do so or search it out.

Peace and Love.

I agree.

Let us consolidate our discussion and codify WHAT it is that we *agree* about and build on it....we can pick up on what we disagree about later if you don't mind.

*First* maybe you can restate what it is exactly that you agree with me about, then I can either acknowledge or elucidate for clarity and then MAYBE we might (through our mutuality) run back into our division ....Like frogs and snakes do :rolling:


But you speak as if you do not see yourself as a descendant of Israel and Jacob and those Specific Words do not apply to you?

I am not THE PERSON. (First and foremost)

BUT..those words DO apply to me.

We see those who identify (willingly/ or out of ignorance) with "the person" (receptacle of programs) as being Idol worshipers. THEY objectify the Supreme Being through linear scriptural analysis and exoterically worship that objectification as a Singular being; within parameters consigned through Biblical tradition. They cower from it and don't feel worthy of its love and interpret their struggles in life as IT punishing them.They mediate their relationship with it via a book with words that appeal at best to what WE call "marginal 9th sphere programming faculties." They abnegate themselves like they are some sort of SupremeBeing excretion.

(It is a *Cold psychosis*) but it has its place and represents the bulk of the masses (Sahu) or the foundation. The Sahu should not be ridiculed for this though ..they should be strategically nurtured just as the initiate is nurtured into the oneness of his/her nothingness.

Let us consolidate our discussion and codify WHAT it is that we *agree* about and build on it....we can pick up on what we disagree about later if you don't mind.

*First* maybe you can restate what it is exactly that you agree with me about, then I can either acknowledge or elucidate for clarity and then MAYBE we might (through our mutuality) run back into our division ....Like frogs and snakes do :rolling:




I am not THE PERSON. (First and foremost)

BUT..those words DO apply to me.

We see those who identify (willingly/ or out of ignorance) with "the person" (receptacle of programs) as being Idol worshipers. THEY objectify the Supreme Being through linear scriptural analysis and exoterically worship that objectification as a Singular being; within parameters consigned through Biblical tradition. They cower from it and don't feel worthy of its love and interpret their struggles in life as IT punishing them.They mediate their relationship with it via a book with words that appeal at best to what WE call "marginal 9th sphere programming faculties." They abnegate themselves like they are some sort of SupremeBeing excretion.

(It is a *Cold psychosis*) but it has its place and represents the bulk of the masses (Sahu) or the foundation. The Sahu should not be ridiculed for this though ..they should be strategically nurtured just as the initiate is nurtured into the oneness of his/her nothingness.
http://destee.com/forums/showpost.php?p=489537&postcount=116

I agree with your statement.



but it has its place and represents the bulk of the masses

The bulk of the masses DO NOT obey the Specific Word of GOD. The bulk of the masses make-up or have reverse doctrine to not obey GOD.

Can anyone here translate what the Deities represent, in a way others here can begin to understand?

For example Geb and Nut were married and had 5 seeds, Ausar amongst them. Geb and Nut each representing our/God intelligence facility. Geb would represent the physical(phenomenal) plane and the other would nonphysical (nominal) plane.
Keeping in mind (particularly for bro M.P. ) that these are various faculties of God/Man.
Would this be a correct assessment?

Peace

On the topic of Dieties. Just listen to the word in your head... Di et ies. Then you have Neters or Neterts. Then you have Gods. Then you have Saviours. Then you have Prophets. Then you have the Priests, Scribes, Bishops, Reverends, Pastors, Ministers, and so on. Each specific title must have been for a certain time period. There are many titles for "men and women of the cloth today." The works done under these titles gives validity and stigma to these words.

So, to diefy someone, shouldn't they be doing the works of dieties? What did dieties do? Dieties supposedly had powerful prayer rituals and guided the forces of nature and pioneered spiritual law. Every other title had it's duties because of the first recorded dieties. It was these dieties who passed down mysteries that went beyond simple law. It's bigger than hip-hop. It's bigger than any hop. It's DESTINY. It happens right here at DESTEE. We type such words of wisdom and don't know when to land!

Until land catches up with you and you can't even stand. Let's use some big words for the unpoetic at heart. A symmetrical existence is looking with both perceptors. While a spiritual unknowing being is using their intuitive ears, eyes, and nostrils. The uneven mouth of this spiritual being spews out words that are occasionally checked at the gate. The gate manifests in between the symmetrical and unbalanced. Here lies silence and wonderful findings for the spiritual being emulating symmetry.

The symmetrical existence is pulling the spiritual being that yearns it's likeness. As the spiritual being realizes the task and backlash of immitating perfection, the spirit weakens in defeat. Noone aids the spirit in it's quest because they too will be sucked in the gravitational vaccum. The tug of war persists. The powerful spirit pulls and pulls. Meanwhile those in perfect peace and harmony do not budge. They just spectate and separate the man from spirit with every struggling breath.

Finally, the spirit gives in and rests. It is now up to those in perfect existence if this spirit be allowed into the gates. If not, the gates will close and stars will fall and those who have struggled harder than that spirit will shun that spirit because of it's weakness. The weak spirit seeks a life flow. A chaarge only given to those in their proper position. The spark comes and all those around the spirit are amazed at it's will (depending on the spirit's surroundings). The spirit is then faced with a decision. "Should I pull this rope anymore? or Should I let it go?" not knowing that the rope is not being pulled on the other end, the spirit plunges back toward it's planet.

The perfected symmetrical ones are now giving some slack to the trying spirit. The spirit huddles in comfort and realizes things it has never realized before or took for granted. Spiritus la Brut is now experiencing a change unabated. This spirit sees and hears things noone else can. This gives the spirit a sense of power. So, it doesn't have to pull anymore in from the symmetrical existence. After the change occurs, the spirit realizes the change and is faced with another decision. The symmetrical existence represents Dieties, Neters, Supreme Beings and those of old. The spirit being represents those here on Earth with a mission to connect someone else to their Symmetrical balance.

Whew! this is my life in a few paragraphs. Right now, i've stopped pulling from my acknowledged symmetrical being and i am plunging towards earth to fulfill my mission. I feel more powerful than ever.

Thank You Grandfather. Bishop George Thomas Craig, Sr. I will not dissapoint you.

Can anyone here translate what the Deities represent, in a way others here can begin to understand?

For example Geb and Nut were married and had 5 seeds, Ausar amongst them. Geb and Nut each representing our/God intelligence facility. Geb would represent the physical(phenomenal) plane and the other would nonphysical (nominal) plane.
Keeping in mind (particularly for bro M.P. ) that these are various faculties of God/Man.
Would this be a correct assessment?

Peace
You might want to research more.
http://destee.com/forums/showpost.php?p=489579&postcount=15

You might want to research more.
http://destee.com/forums/showpost.php?p=489579&postcount=15

So your coming to terms with the truth with the Medu Neter? Oh thats right you've reached level 0.:hammer: so let's have it, what point did I miss?
Besides acknowledging more than one Deity .
This should be interesting.

:peace:

So your coming to terms with the truth with the Medu Neter? Oh thats right you've reached level 0.:hammer: so let's have it, what point did I miss?
Besides acknowledging more than one Deity .
This should be interesting.

:peace:
Do you worship the wind?
Do you worship water?
Do you worship earth?
Do you worship things of your environment?

Do you scoop up a hand full of dirt and worship it and call it GOD (Geb)?

There is only ONE Supreme Being “Nu / The Universe”. The Neteru is mans error in confusing creations of The Supreme Being as The Supreme Being.

Peace and Love.

Monotheism (Its greco/romanized etymology) sounds more and more like a political statement than anything else.





I agree with your statement.

*It is Man's seemingly unabated and uncoerced WILL that you have an issue with Bro MP.*

With this statement in mind Bro MP, if there was any unwarranted obsession with the powers of these natural agencies then it is Man that is in question and not the creations. A crowbar can be used to fix a tire; if I take it and beat somebodies brains out with it it is not the crowbars fault. Looking from your perspective, If the Supreme being created the neteru to pose a challenge to man and man rolls with the Neteru exclusively then man has made a choice. Man COULD also be shaped and moulded through his challenges via the Neteru to appreciate the Supreme Beings intent (Isaiah 54:16: Behold, I have created the smith that bloweth the coals in the fire, and that bringeth forth an instrument for his work; and I have created the waster to destroy.)

I work with schizoaffective patients and those with thought disorganization.....They are plagued and haunted by the same machinery we take for granted and learn through. The Neteru ARE Tem- and TU+ ......When you start rubbing fervently the gienie lamp out of greed then your wishes will be granted.

*Give me some reciprocity on this short modification of our mutual agreement.*


The bulk of the masses DO NOT obey the Specific Word of GOD. The bulk of the masses make-up or have reverse doctrine to not obey GOD.

I didn't state they OBEY anything ...I said they have a purpose and that the 9th sphere, which they predominately *have their beliefs shaped through,* is the faculty which they are exclusively relegated to.It doesn't matter what ones alturistic intentions are, there IS NO categorical imperative for a Good or a bad (for initiates of the Metu Neter) when you are paralyzed in the lower programming facuties (7,8,9,)The delusion is one thinks they are the person (Refer to pg. 100&116 of Metu Neter). God is *made specific* for you through your years of biblical analysis which deductively implies that GODS word is specific .....but let me ask you this(cause I don't want to assume nuffin): Did you have this (self proclaimed) refined understanding of the Dogon cosmogony BEFORE your indoctrination into biblical tradition?

Do you worship the wind?
Do you worship water?
Do you worship earth?
Do you worship things of your environment?

Do you scoop up a hand full of dirt and worship it and call it GOD (Geb)?

There is only ONE Supreme Being “Nu / The Universe”. The Neteru is mans error in confusing creations of The Supreme Being as The Supreme Being.

Peace and Love.

I acknowledge those things and appreciate those things just as I'd acknowledge and appreciate the good deeds of anyone. I don't take those things for granted. Is this wrong? Why do you confuse this with worship?

Do you worship the wind?
Do you worship water?
Do you worship earth?
Do you worship things of your environment?

Do you scoop up a hand full of dirt and worship it and call it GOD (Geb)?

There is only ONE Supreme Being “Nu / The Universe”. The Neteru is mans error in confusing creations of The Supreme Being as The Supreme Being.

Peace and Love.


I thought you said that the Neteru was the Supreme Beings means of challenging man :

We would all naturally lean on the Supreme Being but the Supreme Being had to create resistance to that and make it a challenge, thus the manifestation of Sons of GOD etc….etc.

Are the Neteru a byproduct of mans error or the Supreme Beings intent? (for clarity)

If man created the Neteru out of his ignorance or rebellion to the Supreme Being then how could the Neteru have their own agenda?:

Due to the reality that the Supreme Being can have no equal we must be exposed to a non-equal and lesser duality. This becomes the intent of demigods and goddesses.

Who's INTENT are we addressing here?

If I am reading you right and you are stating the Neteru are creations of the SupremeBeing, then Man's error in confusing them takes us right back to the issue we agreed on=

*It is Man's seemingly unabated and uncoerced WILL that you have an issue with Bro MP.*

which requires further analysis within that vien. (NO?)


your inductive basis appears to be nebulous at this juncture.

Do you worship the wind?
Do you worship water?
Do you worship earth?
Do you worship things of your environment?

Do you scoop up a hand full of dirt and worship it and call it GOD (Geb)?

There is only ONE Supreme Being “Nu / The Universe”. The Neteru is mans error in confusing creations of The Supreme Being as The Supreme Being.

Peace and Love.





acknowlegde not worship for why would one worship one self? Am i not composed of water? Am i not composed of dirt? am i not dependant on the enviorment I acknowledge these parts of the whole whom i am dependant on for existence on the physical plane . neter whole neteru parts of the whole. question ? whom is more important the entire chain or the link? Why can they not exisit and have equal importance. no matter what my brother everything around u including u is part of the essence of the all for it would not exisit if it were not. All creation commences from one beings seperation into two. We are all part of the infinite amount of energy that expands and changes forms according to the amount of ra or radiation we receive from the proton or magnet that the electrons(planets) evolve around. The varying degress along with the mathmateical possibities of the elements create our dna pattern our blue print so to speak. We could not exisit if we were not our ancestors knew this and were not forced to be live it. hotep wadu

Monotheism (Its greco/romanized etymology) sounds more and more like a political statement than anything else.







*It is Man's seemingly unabated and uncoerced WILL that you have an issue with Bro MP.*

With this statement in mind Bro MP, if there was any unwarranted obsession with the powers of these natural agencies then it is Man that is in question and not the creations. A crowbar can be used to fix a tire; if I take it and beat somebodies brains out with it it is not the crowbars fault. Looking from your perspective, If the Supreme being created the neteru to pose a challenge to man and man rolls with the Neteru exclusively then man has made a choice. Man COULD also be shaped and moulded through his challenges via the Neteru to appreciate the Supreme Beings intent (Isaiah 54:16: Behold, I have created the smith that bloweth the coals in the fire, and that bringeth forth an instrument for his work; and I have created the waster to destroy.)

I work with schizoaffective patients and those with thought disorganization.....They are plagued and haunted by the same machinery we take for granted and learn through. The Neteru ARE Tem- and TU+ ......When you start rubbing fervently the gienie lamp out of greed then your wishes will be granted.

*Give me some reciprocity on this short modification of our mutual agreement.*




I didn't state they OBEY anything ...I said they have a purpose and that the 9th sphere, which they predominately *have their beliefs shaped through,* is the faculty which they are exclusively relegated to.It doesn't matter what ones alturistic intentions are, there IS NO categorical imperative for a Good or a bad (for initiates of the Metu Neter) when you are paralyzed in the lower programming facuties (7,8,9,)The delusion is one thinks they are the person (Refer to pg. 100&116 of Metu Neter). God is *made specific* for you through your years of biblical analysis which deductively implies that GODS word is specific .....but let me ask you this(cause I don't want to assume nuffin): Did you have this (self proclaimed) refined understanding of the Dogon cosmogony BEFORE your indoctrination into biblical tradition?

Monotheism (Its greco/romanized etymology) sounds more and more like a political statement than anything else.

I was keeping it simple for those people reading this who don’t have an advanced understanding of Egyptian words. If you don’t like the Greco word “Monotheism” you and I can use the Egyptian word “Neter”. The argument is the same…..

Neter is Egyptian for Monotheism.
Neteru is Egyptian for Polytheism.


*It is Man's seemingly unabated and uncoerced WILL that you have an issue with Bro MP.*

With this statement in mind Bro MP, if there was any unwarranted obsession with the powers of these natural agencies then it is Man that is in question and not the creations. A crowbar can be used to fix a tire; if I take it and beat somebodies brains out with it it is not the crowbars fault. Looking from your perspective, If the Supreme being created the neteru to pose a challenge to man and man rolls with the Neteru exclusively then man has made a choice. Man COULD also be shaped and moulded through his challenges via the Neteru to appreciate the Supreme Beings intent (Isaiah 54:16: Behold, I have created the smith that bloweth the coals in the fire, and that bringeth forth an instrument for his work; and I have created the waster to destroy.)

I work with schizoaffective patients and those with thought disorganization.....They are plagued and haunted by the same machinery we take for granted and learn through. The Neteru ARE Tem- and TU+ ......When you start rubbing fervently the gienie lamp out of greed then your wishes will be granted.

*Give me some reciprocity on this short modification of our mutual agreement.*


Ezek:3:18: When I say unto the wicked, Thou shalt surely die; and thou givest him not warning, nor speakest to warn the wicked from his wicked way, to save his life; the same wicked man shall die in his iniquity; but his blood will I require at thine hand.

When you become conscious of The Supreme Beings plan, it becomes your duty to inform others. You seem to agree and understand that The Supreme Being created Neteru to prove humans but you seem to be in disagreement as someone that has become conscious it is not your duty to attempt to make others conscious to give them a choice between good and evil towards the Supreme Being.


Did you have this (self proclaimed) refined understanding of the Dogon cosmogony BEFORE your indoctrination into biblical tradition?

The way I perceive the Bible is not traditional. I would say what allows me to perceive the Dogon Song is my natural interest in science and the will to know.

Peace and Love.

I acknowledge those things and appreciate those things just as I'd acknowledge and appreciate the good deeds of anyone. I don't take those things for granted. Is this wrong? Why do you confuse this with worship?
So you disagree with Osirinism?

Good for you.

Ezek:3:18: When I say unto the wicked, Thou shalt surely die; and thou givest him not warning, nor speakest to warn the wicked from his wicked way, to save his life; the same wicked man shall die in his iniquity; but his blood will I require at thine hand.


(I will not digress from the Coal of our discussion which holds the diamond of our agreement.)


When you become conscious of The Supreme Beings plan, it becomes your duty to inform others.

*Meri Tu Maat* It is more than my duty IT IS our nature/Neter to do so. It would be inconcievable to act any other way. In the book: "Maat The 11 Laws of God" (Shekhem ur Shekhem RUNA), he referes to love as a logical expression of our oneness. Just like there is a characteristic reaction of instability or disunity which have been asigned to several labels: ie Anger, shyness, jealousy, fear, ect and have corresponding physiological patterns (shallow breaths, sweaty palms, dialated pupils ect) there is conversely an emotional expression of oneness...Maat...which, coincidently, IS the SupremeBeing's specialization of the SEKER or plan.

I meet people where they're at or where I think they might be at (Constant Gardener) to respond to the foregoing statement.

You seem to agree and understand that The Supreme Being created Neteru to prove humans but you seem to be in disagreement as someone that has become conscious it is not your duty to attempt to make others conscious to give them a choice between good and evil towards the Supreme Being.


Yes! Geb has been referred to as a logical proving ground (Erpau Neter) or "Kingdom of God." (I would say in order to know yourself you must,please refer to my avatar, challenge your *Person*. *Smau Taui*

Bro Mp I'm not in disagreement with that. As I stated before the Neteru are Tem/Tu and this theme is codified (Binary language) in the Oracles that are queried as well. The Antivenom exist within the venom and vice versa. The only way to KNOW the duel/dual is to come into alignment with Gods will....which is communicated through mans right brain as Tehuti.

This MAY end our agreement :wave: but it remains in the general vicinity.

I thought you said that the Neteru was the Supreme Beings means of challenging man :



Are the Neteru a byproduct of mans error or the Supreme Beings intent? (for clarity)

If man created the Neteru out of his ignorance or rebellion to the Supreme Being then how could the Neteru have their own agenda?:



Who's INTENT are we addressing here?

If I am reading you right and you are stating the Neteru are creations of the SupremeBeing, then Man's error in confusing them takes us right back to the issue we agreed on=



which requires further analysis within that vien. (NO?)


your inductive basis appears to be nebulous at this juncture.

I thought you said that the Neteru was the Supreme Beings means of challenging man :

They are……..
As the Ogdoad and Ennead are setup Nun, Kuk, Geb, Shu etc….are elements of existence, elements of our physical environment. As humans came in contact with these elements it is us that began to turn the elements into demigods (Sons of GOD) and began serving them over Nu.

Between the Ogdoad and the Ennead Nu is the only GOD, the sub-elements are creations of Nu. This is why the term GOD in the Dogon Song is reserved for Amma. The Dogon do not refer to the Nummo as god, demigods or any reference that indicates deification, as the Egyptians would later do as Neteru.


Are the Neteru a byproduct of mans error or the Supreme Beings intent? (for clarity)

They are the Supreme Beings intent as Sons of GOD. As the Supreme Being one has to create its own Adversarial forces. What better creations to play this roll then the first existences crated?

In the Dogon Song there are two facets to the Nummo. One being elemental and the other being earthly manifestations were they take on human characteristics it is at this point the error was made in turning them into demigods to serve them despite of them teaching and showing us Amma is the only one to be worshiped, honored and served as GOD (Neter / The Supreme Being).


If man created the Neteru out of his ignorance or rebellion to the Supreme Being then how could the Neteru have their own agenda?:

Man did not create Neteru the bulk of man began serving Neteru over Neter and this became to constant struggle between evil and good toward the Supreme Being it became the wars that began destroying Africa as a nation.


Who's INTENT are we addressing here?

The “Ogo”. In all ancient African ideology there is always a Trickster, Liar, Deceiver etc… one that challenges your direction. In the Old Testament it is called Lucifer, Satan, Bright Light, Adversary etc…. Most of the time these beings have servants that also tempt us to bring us into their worship / service. The most ancient form is the Ogo who is also called Son of GOD. The Ogo in the Dogon Song is seen as the challenger of GOD and the one who actually tries to replace GOD by killing GOD. We see the exact same theme in the Old Testament when GOD is describing the desires of Lucifer.

Isa:14:14: I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.

The Dogon even have a dance that is performed in ritualistic form that is said to be the Dance of the Ogo that he done when he thought he had destroyed Amma.

Peace and Love.

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Are the Neteru a byproduct of mans error or the Supreme Beings intent? (for clarity)

They are the Supreme Beings intent as Sons of GOD. As the Supreme Being one has to create its own Adversarial forces. What better creations to play this roll then the first existences crated?

In the Dogon Song there are two facets to the Nummo. One being elemental and the other being earthly manifestations were they take on human characteristics it is at this point the error was made in turning them into demigods to serve them despite of them teaching and showing us Amma is the only one to be worshiped, honored and served as GOD (Neter / The Supreme Being).

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If man created the Neteru out of his ignorance or rebellion to the Supreme Being then how could the Neteru have their own agenda?:

Man did not create Neteru the bulk of man began serving Neteru over Neter and this became to constant struggle between evil and good toward the Supreme Being it became the wars that began destroying Africa as a nation.



The “Ogo”. In all ancient African ideology there is always a Trickster, Liar, Deceiver etc… one that challenges your direction. In the Old Testament it is called Lucifer, Satan, Bright Light, Adversary etc…. Most of the time these beings have servants that also tempt us to bring us into their worship / service. The most ancient form is the Ogo who is also called Son of GOD. The Ogo in the Dogon Song is seen as the challenger of GOD and the one who actually tries to replace GOD by killing GOD. We see the exact same theme in the Old Testament when GOD is describing the desires of Lucifer.

Isa:14:14: I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.

The Dogon even have a dance that is performed in ritualistic form that is said to be the Dance of the Ogo that he done when he thought he had destroyed Amma.

Peace and Love.

If there were any truth to your words. Then any trouble Africans had and have would actually be your gods fault? Now out of all the phenomena in this vast universe, why would you believe your god is picking on us Africans. (chalk it up to blind faith and limited thinking). And what of the blessings (japan's divine kamikaze winds) and misfortunes ( Indian Ocean earthquake) of other cultures. The fault to your logic places particular emphasis on just the culture of ppl (and pool of knowledge) that you know. Is your god limited to just your awareness?

Peace

If there were any truth to your words. Then any trouble Africans had and have would actually be your gods fault? Now out of all the phenomena in this vast universe, why would you believe your god is picking on us Africans. (chalk it up to blind faith and limited thinking). And what of the blessings (japan's divine kamikaze winds) and misfortunes ( Indian Ocean earthquake) of other cultures. The fault to your logic places particular emphasis on just the culture of ppl (and pool of knowledge) that you know. Is your god limited to just your awareness?

Peace

If there were any truth to your words. Then any trouble Africans had and have would actually be your gods fault?

So what is it you don’t believe, me or the Dogon Song?
Not GODs fault because humans have free will. How many times should GOD have to tell us something?

Ex:20:3: Thou shalt have no other gods before me.

We have the free will to disobey and reject which is why we exist in a world today that is out of harmony with Nature and the Universe.


Now out of all the phenomena in this vast universe, why would you believe your god is picking on us Africans.

Because we are original man, we are the ancient people.

Isa:44:7: And who, as I, shall call, and shall declare it, and set it in order for me, since I appointed the ancient people? and the things that are coming, and shall come, let them shew unto them.

We are the bloodline of first humans.


…..misfortunes ( Indian Ocean earthquake) of other cultures.

As we amplify the demigods we amplify negative energies which manifests as negative events more and more misfortune, war, death, oppression, famine etc….


Is your god limited to just your awareness?

My awareness is restricted to and evolves around the Specific Words of the Supreme Being.

And that’s what it is all about; can you sacrifice and unlearn what you have learned to yield to the Supreme Being?

Do you think I would be this deep and depth if I never sacrificed my Christian understanding?

Just like you I struggled to defend it until I realized whom I was trying to defend it against.

Peace and Love.

Do you think I would be this deep and depth if I never sacrificed my Christian understanding?

Just like you I struggled to defend it until I realized whom I was trying to defend it against.

Peace and Love.

I don't want to make it seem I fault your every move, idea and thought so I'll take the time right here and now to give you props for going against the grain of the popular line of thinking ppl share of the bible.
:qqb003:
There's still some hope for ya :lol:
:hearthis: Did you run that idea by your god yet concerning hollywood and plagurism? :D :grin:

If there were any truth to your words. Then any trouble Africans had and have would actually be your gods fault? Now out of all the phenomena in this vast universe, why would you believe your god is picking on us Africans. (chalk it up to blind faith and limited thinking). And what of the blessings (japan's divine kamikaze winds) and misfortunes ( Indian Ocean earthquake) of other cultures. The fault to your logic places particular emphasis on just the culture of ppl (and pool of knowledge) that you know. Is your god limited to just your awareness?

Peace

As I wrote that I had the image of the size comparision of the sun and Earth in mind. Did you know you can fit about a million Earths inside our little yellow sun?
When you speak of a deity such as yours getting involved in the human affairs on Earth which mearly make up a fraction of fraction in the timeline of our universe doesn't paint a picture of a man opening his mind to the bigger picture. It's way bigger than human history.

Peace

It looks like we are trying to dodge the issue. This comes from an Egyptian Bible as being the specific words of Ra himself………..


THE BOOK OF KNOWING THE EVOLUTIONS OF RA, AND OF OVERTHROWING APEP:
I had union with my closed hand, and I embraced my shadow as a wife, and I poured seed into my own mouth, and I sent forth from myself issue in the form of the gods Shu and Tefnut. Saith my father Nu:

http://www.sacred-texts.com/egy/leg/leg13.htm

As we see Ra makes a reference to ” my father Nu “. This reference by Ra himself automatically places Ra in the Neteru (company of demigods) and removes him from Neter (Supreme Being.)

As Ra refers to “my father” this places him in the same category as Sons of GOD, which dictates a lesser, then GOD.

The question is; if the Supreme Being informs you of a condition and then a Son of the Supreme Being informs you of an opposing condition; which one do you follow for correctness and righteousness?

Peace and Love.


For the record, The whole foundation of the above statement is one-dimensional, exoterically contrived, extroverted, and pejoratively myopic. (Bro Mp is a good Bro though and may his person find her husband in amenta and make swift THE WILL)

http://www.sacred-texts.com/egy/leg/leg13.htm

Bro Mp says in regards to this link: As we see Ra makes a reference to ” my father Nu “. This reference by Ra himself automatically places Ra in the Neteru (company of demigods) and removes him from Neter (Supreme Being.)

But actually the pasted portion erroneously includes:Saith my father Nu after the preceding statement which alludes to the words of Neb er tcher. (It may have been a casual mistake ...I don't know)

Lets see: These are the; words which the god Neb-er-tcher spake after he had, come into being:- I had union with my closed hand, and I embraced my shadow as a wife, and I poured seed into my own mouth, and I sent forth from myself issue in the form of the gods Shu and Tefnut.

Sent forth from *himself* issue (sounds like self copulation) in the form of Shu and Tefnut.

After the period or end of sentence it begins:Saith my father Nu:--My Eye was covered up behind them (i.e., Shu. and Tefnut), but after two hen periods had passed from the time when they *departed from me*, from being one god I became three gods, and I came into being in the earth.

(Shu and Tefnut {from reading the text} departed from Neb er tcher and Father Nu because they are the same...The creator is SELF created.)

There IS no purported separation and these statements seem to congeal the whole process of transformation of the *The Supreme Being*

Like the Stolen Legacy that Christianity tries to duplicate, The Son of Man IS the Son of God who IS the word which was with God in the Beginning and the End and , qualitatively, IS. :bowdown: :grouphug:

According to the teachings of Ra himself he would appear not in the Ogdoad but in the Ennead where Atum appears this is why we see Re-Atum in some Egyptian references.
http://destee.com/forums/showpost.php?p=489579&postcount=15

Any demigod appearing in this position is less then Supreme, thus should not be worshiped by humans.


Like the Stolen Legacy that Christianity tries to duplicate, The Son of Man IS the Son of God who IS the word which was with God in the Beginning and the End and , qualitatively, IS.


Anything that human’s worship that is theologically recorded as less then Supreme becomes an evil act against the Supreme Being.

Peace and Love.

According to the teachings of Ra himself he would appear not in the Ogdoad but in the Ennead where Atum appears this is why we see Re-Atum in some Egyptian references.
http://destee.com/forums/showpost.php?p=489579&postcount=15

Any demigod appearing in this position is less then Supreme, thus should not be worshiped by humans.



Anything that human’s worship that is theologically recorded as less then Supreme becomes an evil act against the Supreme Being.

Peace and Love.

"Of these gods Osiris is singled out for special mention in the legend, in which Khepera, speaking as Neb-er-tcher, says that his
name is AUSARES, who is the essence of the primeval matter of which he himself is formed. Thus Osiris was of the same substance as the Great God who created the world according to the Egyptians, and was a reincarnation of his great-grandfather. This portion of the legend helps to explain the views held about Osiris as the great ancestral spirit, who when on earth was a benefactor of mankind, and who when in heaven was the saviour of souls."

http://www.sacred-texts.com/egy/leg/leg04.htm

You have completely overlooked this Bro MP. (I am always dealing with the Per-sona and its inadequacies...this is true for my person so that which may be apparent may still be obscured by the indiscriminant nature of the Ka)

MP....You mistake the utility of placing intangible concepts in an hierarchy as BEING the legitimate literal truth. You wouldn't do that with the Periodic table would you just because Dmitri said so http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dmitri_Mendeleev

Because Notes or vibrations are placed into a classification system would you assume sound is essentially that way without the observer.

If someone said "Winter, Spring, Summer, Fall, would you suggest WINTER is the Supreme season?

(Legend of Ra and Auset)

http://www.sacred-texts.com/egy/leg/leg06.htm

"The legend, or "Chapter of the Divine God," begins by enumerating the mighty attributes of Ra as the creator of the universe, and describes the god of "many names" as unknowable, even by the gods."

So after all these year have passed you surmise Mr Ra is making some special provisions for you...Even though "RA" admites he has MANY forms.You Speak of "The teachings of Ra" like he has only one form...His teachings say many.

You can't force anyone to Reload their matrix but WOW bro MP......wow:hammer2:

Nu, is the deification of the primordial watery abyss, in the Ogdoad cosmogony, the name meaning abyss.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naunet

The only reason or justification for creating a ranking structure is in consideration for The Fundamental Presentations of the World To The Mind Of The Initiate

(And I will rank as well but not in any order of importance since everything is functionally and fundamentally connected)

That Being: 1)Equalities, differences and similarities

2) The Segregating Faculty
3) The Congregating Faculty
4) Relationships
5) Analytical Faculty
6) Synthesizing Faculty

(revealing our ancestors brilliance..TuaU Shepsu):


Nu and Geb ...whats their relationship and difference?

"Of these gods Osiris is singled out for special mention in the legend, in which Khepera, speaking as Neb-er-tcher, says that his
name is AUSARES, who is the essence of the primeval matter of which he himself is formed. Thus Osiris was of the same substance as the Great God who created the world according to the Egyptians, and was a reincarnation of his great-grandfather. This portion of the legend helps to explain the views held about Osiris as the great ancestral spirit, who when on earth was a benefactor of mankind, and who when in heaven was the saviour of souls."

http://www.sacred-texts.com/egy/leg/leg04.htm

You have completely overlooked this Bro MP. (I am always dealing with the Per-sona and its inadequacies...this is true for my person so that which may be apparent may still be obscured by the indiscriminant nature of the Ka)

MP....You mistake the utility of placing intangible concepts in an hierarchy as BEING the legitimate literal truth. You wouldn't do that with the Periodic table would you just because Dmitri said so http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dmitri_Mendeleev

Because Notes or vibrations are placed into a classification system would you assume sound is essentially that way without the observer.

If someone said "Winter, Spring, Summer, Fall, would you suggest WINTER is the Supreme season?

(Legend of Ra and Auset)

http://www.sacred-texts.com/egy/leg/leg06.htm

"The legend, or "Chapter of the Divine God," begins by enumerating the mighty attributes of Ra as the creator of the universe, and describes the god of "many names" as unknowable, even by the gods."

So after all these year have passed you surmise Mr Ra is making some special provisions for you...Even though "RA" admites he has MANY forms.You Speak of "The teachings of Ra" like he has only one form...His teachings say many.

You can't force anyone to Reload their matrix but WOW bro MP......wow:hammer2:
My first question:

Why did you have to go to a modern day commentary to support your perception instead of the specific words of the gods themselves?

Your entire belief is not supported by the actual words of the gods but by a commentary of modern day theologians. I do not give modern day theologians authority over the gods just like I do not give the gods authority over GOD / The Supreme Being.

I am addressing the specific theologies of the specific words of the deities. You are trying to redirect this to addressing theologies of commentaries. Commentaries are written by men not The Supreme Being or the Demigods.

You are making the exact same error that is made by most people. They allow modern day theologians and commentaries to guide their understanding even over the specific words of the demigod they praise.

For example:
There is no support for a Trinity of Equality. Yet modern day theologians convince people there is. Thru this lie, error and faulty reasoning Jesus becomes the Supreme Being. This is a sin against GOD / The Universe because know the specific words of Jesus are used to cancel out the Specific Words of the Supreme Being and replaces the Supreme Being to fulfill the desires of the energy called Lucifer. It has gotten so out of harmony with The Universe that many people even use the specific words of Apostles to cancel out the Specific Words of the Supreme Being. All of this is Satanic.

So let us stay on the subject of the specific words of the demigods themselves.


You have completely overlooked this Bro MP. (I am always dealing with the Per-sona and its inadequacies...this is true for my person so that which may be apparent may still be obscured by the indiscriminant nature of the Ka)

I intentionally over-look commentaries unless I am looking for historical references for where the literature was found, who found it and how and where it can be examined in a museum. Yes, I do observe commentaries but if they don’t jive or they are out of harmony with the Specific Word of GOD then it is time to explore why and how.


(Legend of Ra and Auset)

http://www.sacred-texts.com/egy/leg/leg06.htm


"The legend, or "Chapter of the Divine God," begins by enumerating the mighty attributes of Ra as the creator of the universe, and describes the god of "many names" as unknowable, even by the gods."

So after all these year have passed you surmise Mr Ra is making some special provisions for you...Even though "RA" admites he has MANY forms.You Speak of "The teachings of Ra" like he has only one form...His teachings say many.

You can't force anyone to Reload their matrix but WOW bro MP......wow


Once again you have fallen for commentaries and not the actual words of the gods. This is the link to the actual Egyptian story……
http://www.sacred-texts.com/egy/leg/leg20.htm

Your link is to the introduction or commentary about the actual story. Now in the actual story show me where Ra himself teaches you he created the Universe?

……I will spare you the time and tell you I have already done a word search on the actual story. The word “Universe” is absent from the actual text. Now we see a fine example of why you cannot use commentaries to decipher meaning, perception and understanding of the ideology. You must read the story and pay attention to the deities themselves and remove all commentary information. I learned this through reading the New Testament. I realized the Apostles mainly speak as commentaries, meaning it is their own perception.

Col:1:16: For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

Those words are a commentary by a Servant of Jesus, not Jesus; thus Jesus cannot be held accountable for that belief.

Do you began to understand what I am saying and the importance you need to stress in separating the Specific Word of GOD, the specific words of demigods and commentaries?

Peace and Love.

Nu, is the deification of the primordial watery abyss, in the Ogdoad cosmogony, the name meaning abyss.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naunet

The only reason or justification for creating a ranking structure is in consideration for The Fundamental Presentations of the World To The Mind Of The Initiate

(And I will rank as well but not in any order of importance since everything is functionally and fundamentally connected)

That Being: 1)Equalities, differences and similarities

2) The Segregating Faculty
3) The Congregating Faculty
4) Relationships
5) Analytical Faculty
6) Synthesizing Faculty

(revealing our ancestors brilliance..TuaU Shepsu):


Nu and Geb ...whats their relationship and difference?
Why are you trying to define Nu but yet showing me wikipedia definitions of Naunet?

This is my own perception from my own studies and observation……….

From the original story, which is the Dogon Song the concept of Space was too difficult for most people to grasp. In the Dogon Song the Egg is in Space and rests on nothing. Space is a difficult concept because most people have no concepts of what is beyond the sky.

With this difficult concept of the Dogon Song the Egyptians changed it to water, chaotic water and named Space “Nu”. Now the Egyptian had a redefined perception of The Universe that all people could universally understand. So what they did was moved away from science and moved GOD into an earthly natural substance that all people could understand. Overtime water actually replaced the true meaning of what it only represented.

Once my wife and I were looking at Star Trek but I could tell she had no real interest but watched it because I like the movie. She turned to me and asked where were they? After contemplating a while I was curious to know what she was referring to.

I asked what did she mean. She explained where are they in the movie. Then it downed on me that she had no concept of space or what is beyond the stars or clouds in the daytime. She had no concept of where other planets exist etc….

After I explained it to here she continued to be weak on the subject until I actually too her outside at night where we could actually see the starts and the pitch-black of Space and pointed up and told her to imagine herself in that darkness but a billion miles from earth but then she developed a misunderstanding as to where earth is. She did not realize that all things exist in space, The Universe. In Egyptian terms it would be Nu, water. That body of Space is GOD, the Universe is GOD but it is a difficult concept because the Universe is in all things and all things are created from the Universe.

Jer:10:16: The portion of Jacob is not like them: for he is the former of all things; and Israel is the rod of his inheritance: The LORD of hosts is his name.

Jer:51:19: The portion of Jacob is not like them; for he is the former of all things: and Israel is the rod of his inheritance: the LORD of hosts is his name.

Now, this is indeed a commentary but it is in harmony with explaining an omnipresent Supreme Being. In the Dogon Song they explain that all things are made from the coagulated blood of Amma / GOD / The Universe. GOD’s coagulated blood is something that was formally of GOD. Just as if you were to drip some of your blood on a table, that drip of blood is from you but it is not actually you.


Nu and Geb ...whats their relationship and difference?

Geb would not exist without Nu, thus Nu is the Greater, which explains the hierarchy of the Ogdoad and Ennead.
http://destee.com/forums/showpost.php?p=489579&postcount=15

Peace and Love.

"You see *I built this place* down here *I am God*"

Jer:10:16: The portion of Jacob is not like them: for he is the former of all things; and Israel is the rod of his inheritance: The LORD of hosts is his name.

Jer:51:19: The portion of Jacob is not like them; for he is the former of all things: and Israel is the rod of his inheritance: the LORD of hosts is his name.

Now, this is indeed a commentary but it is in harmony with explaining an omnipresent Supreme Being. In the Dogon Song they explain that all things are made from the coagulated blood of Amma / GOD / The Universe. GOD’s coagulated blood is something that was formally of GOD. Just as if you were to drip some of your blood on a table, that drip of blood is from you but it is not actually you.


Ohhhhhhh....so I see, you get to chose from some nebulous foundation what commentary gets excepted and what gets rejected. (Thats a cold hustle bro MP) but I'll dig deep in my pockets and try to see where the fuzzy ball will go between the three cups):juggle:

(words in which there is no objective reality are the major sources of delusion)

Your link is to the introduction or commentary about the actual story. Now in the actual story show me where Ra himself teaches you he created the Universe?

*The Universe* is defined as the summation of all particles and energy that exist and the space-time in which all events occur.*

:--"I am he who came into being in the form of the god Khepera, and I am the creator of that which came into being, that is to say, I am the creator of everything which came into being: now the things which I created, and which came forth out of my month after that I had come into being myself were exceedingly many."


You always side step this one. (Hint "All events occur")

This implies the inherent basis of the *Buzzword* "Universe".

One verse...to speak...to set into motion...MP...unless you are purposely trying to be polemic I don't think I can be any more succinct.

But here is the ONE bro MP ...drum roll...this is it right here ...you will not carve this up and speak on it...your next post will not directly address this:"The sky (or heaven) had not come into being, the earth did not exist, and the children of the earth , and the creeping, things, had not been made at that time. I myself raised them up from out of Nu , from a state of helpless inertness."

Now the Egyptian had a redefined perception of The Universe that all people could universally understand. So what they did was moved away from science and moved GOD into an earthly natural substance that all people could understand.

Isn't Science derived from scire "To Know". If they made it for people to understand then it served a scientific purpose. I'm not even dealing with the flaws of your premise ...I'm asking you about your deductive rigor...you say you think scientifically but that last statement didn't support itself.

You even said yourself what Elucidation means :Elucidation = a clarifying explanation.

If I *clarify* to you what KNOWING the science of the universe means in relation to you KNOWING yourself would that not be a Science .(Especially if it yeilded results)

( I appeal to you to give me a , contemplative, answer to that.)

You gave me Geb and Nu's Difference but what about relationship?

After I explained it to here she continued to be weak on the subject until I actually too her outside at night where we could actually see the starts and the pitch-black of Space and pointed up and told her to imagine herself in that darkness but a billion miles from earth but then she developed a misunderstanding as to where earth is. She did not realize that all things exist in space, The Universe. In Egyptian terms it would be Nu, water. That body of Space is GOD, the Universe is GOD but it is a difficult concept because the Universe is in all things and all things are created from the Universe.

Thats peace......I had a similar convo with my wife about Random Parallel Synchronization (Dream State functioning) that started from me speaking of a time in Saudi Arabia when I had to drive on a moonless night. It was sooo dark I couldn't see my hand in front of my face. We were not allowed to drive with lights;only whats called *Black out Drive lights* which could not penetrate the thick darkness. It got to the point where I would stepp on the gas pedal and not know whether I was going forward or backwards...I had no since of direction, only bumps and a whining engine. We started talking about how light assist your sense of locality and if we were submerged in darkness we wouldn't have a sense of ourselves being separated. We would also turn from those things that seemingly exist outside of us and implode into our own internal milieu. I wouldn't be suprised if we fragmented ourselves again into a world of differentiation/light and then projected our will into that world to placate our desire to experience. The key would be in one realizing they are conscious of BEING conscious in an infinite expanse of potentiality.

"You see *I built this place* down here *I am God*"




Ohhhhhhh....so I see, you get to chose from some nebulous foundation what commentary gets excepted and what gets rejected. (Thats a cold hustle bro MP) but I'll dig deep in my pockets and try to see where the fuzzy ball will go between the three cups):juggle:

(words in which there is no objective reality are the major sources of delusion)



*The Universe* is defined as the summation of all particles and energy that exist and the space-time in which all events occur.*

:--"I am he who came into being in the form of the god Khepera, and I am the creator of that which came into being, that is to say, I am the creator of everything which came into being: now the things which I created, and which came forth out of my month after that I had come into being myself were exceedingly many."


You always side step this one. (Hint "All events occur")

This implies the inherent basis of the *Buzzword* "Universe".

One verse...to speak...to set into motion...MP...unless you are purposely trying to be polemic I don't think I can be any more succinct.

But here is the ONE bro MP ...drum roll...this is it right here ...you will not carve this up and speak on it...your next post will not directly address this:"The sky (or heaven) had not come into being, the earth did not exist, and the children of the earth , and the creeping, things, had not been made at that time. I myself raised them up from out of Nu , from a state of helpless inertness."



Isn't Science derived from scire "To Know". If they made it for people to understand then it served a scientific purpose. I'm not even dealing with the flaws of your premise ...I'm asking you about your deductive rigor...you say you think scientifically but that last statement didn't support itself.

You even said yourself what Elucidation means :

If I *clarify* to you what KNOWING the science of the universe means in relation to you KNOWING yourself would that not be a Science .(Especially if it yeilded results)

( I appeal to you to give me a , contemplative, answer to that.)

You gave me Geb and Nu's Difference but what about relationship?

Ohhhhhhh....so I see, you get to chose from some nebulous foundation what commentary gets excepted and what gets rejected. (Thats a cold hustle bro MP) but I'll dig deep in my pockets and try to see where the fuzzy ball will go between the three cups)

(words in which there is no objective reality are the major sources of delusion)

The Dogon Song is proven scientifically and archeologically. We are only now beginning to develop the technology that verifies the Dogon Song. I would call that more then a commentary.

And that’s the main problem with trying to figure all of this out, nobody is studying the source of the source of the source and no one is demanding evidence. When the Dogon Song describes a star system in 1930 and then in 1980 humans develop a telescope that verifies what the Dogon told us before the technology existed to know these things we can only call that a miracle an unexplained phenomena which usually leads to GOD.

Otherwise you tell me how this African Peoples could have excess to such detailed information about the Sirius system?


*The Universe* is defined as the summation of all particles and energy that exist and the space-time in which all events occur.*

:--"I am he who came into being in the form of the god Khepera, and I am the creator of that which came into being, that is to say, I am the creator of everything which came into being: now the things which I created, and which came forth out of my month after that I had come into being myself were exceedingly many."


You always side step this one. (Hint "All events occur")

This implies the inherent basis of the *Buzzword* "Universe".

One verse...to speak...to set into motion...MP...unless you are purposely trying to be polemic I don't think I can be any more succinct.

But here is the ONE bro MP ...drum roll...this is it right here ...you will not carve this up and speak on it...your next post will not directly address this:"The sky (or heaven) had not come into being, the earth did not exist, and the children of the earth , and the creeping, things, had not been made at that time. I myself raised them up from out of Nu , from a state of helpless inertness."


Hiphoplox and I have already had this conversation…… I am the creator of that which came into being,

The Universe / GOD / Nu never came into being because GOD always is, as the Dogon Song teaches Amma always is. So once again I will ask you to show me where Ra explains he created the Universe or better yet Nu.

Seeing that the word Universe is not found in the Egyptian language we will convert it to Nu. You will not find any demigod in Egyptian writings explaining that they created Nu because the simple understood ideology is and was that the demigods formed out of Nu and that is why we see Ra referring to Nu as my Father Nu.

I am even willing to gamble on my correctness of this perception and will ask you to find any ancient Egyptian theological writings showing a demigods itself teaching in its own words that it created Nu.

Prove me wrong.


The sky (or heaven) had not come into being, the earth did not exist, and the children of the earth , and the creeping, things, had not been made at that time. I myself raised them up from out of Nu , from a state of helpless inertness."


So once again where is Ra saying he created Nu / The Universe?

The sky, heavens, earth and all things on it are not the Universe but exist inside of the Universe.


Isn't Science derived from scire "To Know". If they made it for people to understand then it served a scientific purpose. I'm not even dealing with the flaws of your premise ...I'm asking you about your deductive rigor...you say you think scientifically but that last statement didn't support itself.

You even said yourself what Elucidation means :

Converting space to water is not an Elucidation but a corruption for those lacking the scientific mind. You and I both know water is not The Supreme Being but an element of our environment.


If I *clarify* to you what KNOWING the science of the universe means in relation to you KNOWING yourself would that not be a Science .(Especially if it yeilded results)

( I appeal to you to give me a , contemplative, answer to that.)

No, because the original meaning of the science is lost. Once the original meaning of the science is regained then and only then can we say it yielded results.

The perfect example of the is the story of Noah’s Arch. The story version serves to sustain concept. The real version of Nummo, DNA and replenishing the earth with life serves to regain the science that our minds were to immature to understand. Now that some minds have developed the maturity the science can be regained and we can know see that the GOD of earth is also the GOD of all planets all beings in the Universe because advanced beings (Nummo) from another system in the universe informed us of The Universe / Amma / The Supreme Being.

It is the Nummo that the Dogon refer to as the ancestors’ not ancient human kings or pharaohs. Later African tribes or clans that in fluxed into Egypt confused this understanding and started including ancient human kings, leaders and rulers. The Dogon stop referring to the Nummo as the ancestors with the generation that no longer were immortal.

Peace and Love.

It was sooo dark I couldn't see my hand in front of my face. We were not allowed to drive with lights;only whats called *Black out Drive lights* which could not penetrate the thick darkness. It got to the point where I would stepp on the gas pedal and not know whether I was going forward or backwards...I had no since of direction, only bumps and a whining engine. We started talking about how light assist your sense of locality and if we were submerged in darkness we wouldn't have a sense of ourselves being separated.

interesting. The small things we take for granted. Maybe periods of darkness is what the "spiritual Dr." should subscribe as a remedy to the mass illusion of separation.

Just imagine if you were alone with no ground to walk on as well. A 360 version of not knowing a direction to travel(not just forwards or backwards)
The purpose. To get to know thy true self/God.
I think the importance and skill of imagination is underrated. I see and understand where it's arranged in the 'The Tree of Life' and why (everything is a half of something) it's but.......... :bye:

Hiphoplox and I have already had this conversation…… I am the creator of that which came into being,

The Universe / GOD / Nu never came into being because GOD always is, as the Dogon Song teaches Amma always is. So once again I will ask you to show me where Ra explains he created the Universe or better yet Nu..
I don't think we were finished with that discussion. If you can visualize everything (- minus) the Intellectual sentience. And just see it as going on then off repetitiously. Remember to not include time as this is also an illusion. During the on phase everything happens. Everything happened from nothing the off phase. Energies exploding and imploding chaos. But not as chaotic as the off phase no-things,(Unless you include Nu, an infinite reality of chaotic liquid as something)
This is how a being can create its self out of nothing.
This is a state of ourselves we still repeat. As we still sleep going thru states of unconsciousness back to consciousness to awaken. Again and again. Giving us another opportunity to truly create our own world. The illusion is actually not being able to see ourself as a/the creator.

Peace

The Dogon Song is proven scientifically and archeologically. We are only now beginning to develop the technology that verifies the Dogon Song. I would call that more then a commentary.

And that’s the main problem with trying to figure all of this out, nobody is studying the source of the source of the source and no one is demanding evidence. When the Dogon Song describes a star system in 1930 and then in 1980 humans develop a telescope that verifies what the Dogon told us before the technology existed to know these things we can only call that a miracle an unexplained phenomena which usually leads to GOD.

Otherwise you tell me how this African Peoples could have excess to such detailed information about the Sirius system?

"The Pale fox" was written by someone acculturated in the Dogon Cosmogony or via someones commentary ?

We are going off course from a course that has already been a considerable deviation from the Forum topic.

You assume your commentaries from the bible are automatically accepted and authentic...to me ...they're commentaries.

My position had nothing to do with measuring the profundity of the Dogon cosmogony....you seem to be baiting the convo to go there to prove an amorphous premise.


The Universe / GOD / Nu never came into being because GOD always is, as the Dogon Song teaches Amma always is. So once again I will ask you to show me where Ra explains he created the Universe or better yet Nu.

"Uni-verse" has a functional definition you know.
(and it is not the Kaotic undifferentiated nothingness that the substantive vibratory medium of NU corresponds to.)

Uni-one Verse =phrase, word ect

which implies differentiation.. it is clearly your position in trying to validate a differentiation *universe* of Nu...not my person.

Although! I might just agree with you on NU never coming into existence because differentiation (clearly pointed out in The Metu neter) is an illusion.
That is why the Author states that the process outlined in the 6 acts of creation did not happen at any particular time ...it is PRESENT yet No-thing.
To Quote Bro J of X-clan again "What Is We Are"

Seeing that the word Universe is not found in the Egyptian language we will convert it to Nu. You will not find any demigod in Egyptian writings explaining that they created Nu because the simple understood ideology is and was that the demigods formed out of Nu and that is why we see Ra referring to Nu as my Father Nu.



I am even willing to gamble on my correctness of this perception and will ask you to find any ancient Egyptian theological writings showing a demigods itself teaching in its own words that it created Nu.

Prove me wrong.

It is not even my position that someone created NU ...you aligned the "Label" UNIVERSE with NU but I don't agree with that description because the word :UNIVERSE has a functional definition that is not fitting for what the ancients were conveying concerning NU. You asked me to show you where UNIVERSE (functionally meaning an act of differentiation) corresponds to the SELF CREATED one whom brought him/her self out of NU as the creator.


At this point let us try to get back on track with the forum topic ....things are getting disorganized and sporatic ....you may have some possible points in your cut and paste style of presentation but alot of it is conjecture about what could be the scientific intentions of the Dogon.

"The Pale fox" was written by someone acculturated in the Dogon Cosmogony or via someones commentary ?

We are going off course from a course that has already been a considerable deviation from the Forum topic.

You assume your commentaries from the bible are automatically accepted and authentic...to me ...they're commentaries.

My position had nothing to do with measuring the profundity of the Dogon cosmogony....you seem to be baiting the convo to go there to prove an amorphous premise.




"Uni-verse" has a functional definition you know.
(and it is not the Kaotic undifferentiated nothingness that the substantive vibratory medium of NU corresponds to.)

Uni-one Verse =phrase, word ect

which implies differentiation.. it is clearly your position in trying to validate a differentiation *universe* of Nu...not my person.

Although! I might just agree with you on NU never coming into existence because differentiation (clearly pointed out in The Metu neter) is an illusion.
That is why the Author states that the process outlined in the 6 acts of creation did not happen at any particular time ...it is PRESENT yet No-thing.
To Quote Bro J of X-clan again "What Is We Are"



It is not even my position that someone created NU ...you aligned the "Label" UNIVERSE with NU but I don't agree with that description because the word :UNIVERSE has a functional definition that is not fitting for what the ancients were conveying concerning NU. You asked me to show you where UNIVERSE (functionally meaning an act of differentiation) corresponds to the SELF CREATED one whom brought him/her self out of NU as the creator.


At this point let us try to get back on track with the forum topic ....things are getting disorganized and sporatic ....you may have some possible points in your cut and paste style of presentation but alot of it is conjecture about what could be the scientific intentions of the Dogon.

"The Pale fox" was written by someone acculturated in the Dogon Cosmogony or via someones commentary ?

The problem with trying to downgrade the Pale Fox is the book has within it the original vocalizations of the Hogon Priest as he is telling the story and performing rituals. If you want, buy the book and learn the language yourself then come back and inform us of what it says, but good luck in learning the Dogon dialog, I heard it is so complex that the only way the Pale Fox could be written was a Dogon learned the French language then he translated to the Frenchmen what the Hogon was expressing.

Also as the world gets smaller and smaller much of the Dogon Song begins to seep out of Africa from actual Africans who grew up in the Dogon community. They verify the Pale Fox whenever they talk about the Dogon ideology. It continues to be the same as it was in 1930.

As a matter of fact brother Oldsoul played an audio recording of a lady who had studied the Dogon Song and even she began verifying the Ogo and how he was incomplete because he had no twin. All of that ideology is in the Pale Fox, so there is no corruption of the information the Dogon Song is faithfully recorded.

The reason several African American sects will try to downgrade it is because it reveals Egyptian ideology as not being faithfully recorded ancient ideology, and it reveals Egypt not being the source of African ideology. Just because Egypt became reach and powerful don’t mean it’s religious ideology was correct. Most of the time correct concepts of GOD come from the poorest and most ruddy of peoples, not the rich. But as we have become Americanized we seem to want less and less and less involvement and knowledge from the poorer peoples of Africa and for some reason have become fixated with Egypt.


We are going off course from a course that has already been a considerable deviation from the Forum topic.

You assume your commentaries from the bible are automatically accepted and authentic...to me ...they're commentaries.

When I quote directly the Words of the Supreme Being it is not a commentary. Just as when I quote directly the words of Ra or demigods of the Ogdoad and Ennead it is not a commentary. Direct words of divinity are not commentaries but the core teachings of what you and I are studying.


At this point let us try to get back on track with the forum topic ....things are getting disorganized and sporatic

The Metu Neter as written by Ra Un Nefer is an entire book of his own commentary. The author is reluctant to show the specific words of the demigods or GOD from ancient Egyptian text to show why and how he derived his opinion. In my opinion books such as that on theology are unsupportive unless the reader believes the author is god or in someway divine.

This question ended my conversation with several Metu Neter promoters and followers many months ago.

Do you believe Ra Un Nefer Amen is god or in some way divine?

That question went unanswered because once it is answered one either sees a truth of the facts or they realize they are supporting a modern day cult.

Peace and Love.

I am Who I Am bro Mp (Anuk Ausar)
Shekhem ur Shekhem RUNA
likewise.....
What is We Are
(Divine is an understatment)
You stated that you are coagulated blood of the Supreme Being...therefore you align yourself with others who feel that way about themselves well.( do I conclude that you are in a coagulated cult?)

I am always, within a infinite manifold of finite NUances,
ALWAYS interacting with mySELF.
This is the Purpose of the Metu Neter ....this SOURCE of info you aspire to reach dialectically, is ever present and does not adhere to any particular form or presentation; this is coincidentally the fallacy of the Sebau that the Author spoke of in Metu Neter. The Sebau are the chidren of impotent revolt and demonstrated by the author as validating their existence through the stock piling of earth born information.

Hetep

I am Who I Am bro Mp (Anuk Ausar)
Shekhem ur Shekhem RUNA
likewise.....
What is We Are
(Divine is an understatment)
You stated that you are coagulated blood of the Supreme Being...therefore you align yourself with others who feel that way about themselves well.( do I conclude that you are in a coagulated cult?)

I am always, within a infinite manifold of finite NUances,
ALWAYS interacting with mySELF.
This is the Purpose of the Metu Neter ....this SOURCE of info you aspire to reach dialectically, is ever present and does not adhere to any particular form or presentation; this is coincidentally the fallacy of the Sebau that the Author spoke of in Metu Neter. The Sebau are the chidren of impotent revolt and demonstrated by the author as validating their existence through the stock piling of earth born information.

Hetep

You stated that you are coagulated blood of the Supreme Being...therefore you align yourself with others who feel that way about themselves well.( do I conclude that you are in a coagulated cult?)

Where did I say you were apart of a cult?


this SOURCE of info you aspire to reach dialectically, is ever present and does not adhere to any particular form or presentation

Placing the Specific Words of the Supreme Being over any and all and trying to adhere to them is a particular form of ideology. Placing the specific words of the demigods over the words of men is a particular form of ideology.

You don’t see it as such because it threatens what you rely on; words of flesh.

Peace and Love.

Placing the Specific Words of the Supreme Being over any and all and trying to adhere to them is a particular form of ideology. Placing the specific words of the demigods over the words of men is a particular form of ideology.

You don’t see it as such because it threatens what you rely on; words of flesh.

Peace and Love.

I guess this would make you party to this 'form of ideology' cause YOU place written words by men/women from ancient writings above anything else as long as they claim it was from their particular "Supreme" being.
I guess for you to open your mind to what MeNefer is saying He'd have to go back in time and write it down for you. Oh and at the bottem of the letter sign it with 'NU' :lol:

But then again if you did 'open' your mind MeNefer might not have that inspiration to share his knowledge and wisdom with us. :bye:


:welldone: MR M.P.
:welldone:

Look at the expanse of Paut/Sand as NU and the motion as Consciousness/Will the picture/locket is a Symbol standing in place for what I mean by ANUK AUSAR(Re-member).

Re-Membering
KCV3yUYvV5Q


Bro Mp....When we Re-member Ausar it is (in corespondence) to a process of coming out of K"A"os or undifferentiation. The Person identifies with a variety of specialized phenomenon, indiscriminately, as it seeks to have a stable "sense" of being. It does this in varying degrees of periodicity throughout the days and nights in trance (receptivity/mediumistic/Esctatic ect). Through repetition, ritual, scriptural analysis, we Willfully establish sound truisms to fortify our constitution. This is the theme of initiation or "behavioral Modification". Memory/water/Auset/moon is magnetic and reflective and imagery/imagi-nation/matrices/Het-Heru provide the subtle light to guide the khaibit (Prana Kosha/electromagnetic body) to its purpose.As it refines and shapes the form the form reciprocally refines the shaper. Consciousness/Will and Energy/Matter (Fundamental dualities/Neheb Kau) characterize the undulating motion (Snake=Aupep) of NU and eventually the birth (objectification) of itself AS THE CREATOR; maintainig its dual nature in every facet (omnipresence). My typing and your interpretation, although separated in time, are simultaneously happening at THIS moment and are a byproduct of this anomalous dynamic I speak of and yet I/WE AM/Are. There is no separation.

Look at the expanse of Paut/Sand as NU and the motion as Consciousness/Will the picture/locket is a Symbol standing in place for what I mean by ANUK AUSAR(Re-member).




Bro Mp....When we Re-member Ausar it is (in corespondence) to a process of coming out of K"A"os or undifferentiation. The Person identifies with a variety of specialized phenomenon, indiscriminately, as it seeks to have a stable "sense" of being. It does this in varying degrees of periodicity throughout the days and nights in trance (receptivity/mediumistic/Esctatic ect). Through repetition, ritual, scriptural analysis, we Willfully establish sound truisms to fortify our constitution. This is the theme of initiation or "behavioral Modification". Memory/water/Auset/moon is magnetic and reflective and imagery/imagi-nation/matrices/Het-Heru provide the subtle light to guide the khaibit (Prana Kosha/electromagnetic body) to its purpose.As it refines and shapes the form the form reciprocally refines the shaper. Consciousness/Will and Energy/Matter (Fundamental dualities/Neheb Kau) characterize the undulating motion (Snake=Aupep) of NU and eventually the birth (objectification) of itself AS THE CREATOR; maintainig its dual nature in every facet (omnipresence). My typing and your interpretation, although separated in time, are simultaneously happening at THIS moment and are a byproduct of this anomalous dynamic I speak of and yet I/WE AM/Are. There is no separation.
Osiris is to far down the letter for me to worship or praise etc…. I don’t deal with middlemen; entities or Sons of GOD after my enlightenment. My worship, praise and remembrance is reserved for Neter, GOD, The Supreme Being, The Eternal One. I do not worship anything that was born, created or derived as I was.

Furthermore show me where your information comes directly from as being spoken by The Supreme Being or a demigod or demigoddess.

Furthermore all that you give to Osiris really belongs to Atum.

Wasn’t it Atum who Nu formed first?

http://destee.com/forums/showpost.php?p=489579&postcount=15

Peace and Love.

Look at the expanse of Paut/Sand as NU and the motion as Consciousness/Will the picture/locket is a Symbol standing in place for what I mean by ANUK AUSAR(Re-member).




Bro Mp....When we Re-member Ausar it is (in corespondence) to a process of coming out of K"A"os or undifferentiation. The Person identifies with a variety of specialized phenomenon, indiscriminately, as it seeks to have a stable "sense" of being. It does this in varying degrees of periodicity throughout the days and nights in trance (receptivity/mediumistic/Esctatic ect). Through repetition, ritual, scriptural analysis, we Willfully establish sound truisms to fortify our constitution. This is the theme of initiation or "behavioral Modification". Memory/water/Auset/moon is magnetic and reflective and imagery/imagi-nation/matrices/Het-Heru provide the subtle light to guide the khaibit (Prana Kosha/electromagnetic body) to its purpose.As it refines and shapes the form the form reciprocally refines the shaper. Consciousness/Will and Energy/Matter (Fundamental dualities/Neheb Kau) characterize the undulating motion (Snake=Aupep) of NU and eventually the birth (objectification) of itself AS THE CREATOR; maintainig its dual nature in every facet (omnipresence). My typing and your interpretation, although separated in time, are simultaneously happening at THIS moment and are a byproduct of this anomalous dynamic I speak of and yet I/WE AM/Are. There is no separation.


Hotep menefer

interesting break down. I have been thinking,pondering mediating etc on this very premise for some time now. I started a thread a while back regarding the reality on non duality. Meaning there is no such thing as duality in my opinion , just different attributes of the same entity. This entities true state never changes only it's temporary state. liken to u or i whom have become injured the change in our flesh or inter system may appear to be disfigured however it will allways return to it's orginal state. we/us u/me will return to our orginal state no thing ness. a state of hotep/peace where differences do not exisit. Acceptance of this reality is difficult for most because it has no beginning nor end it just is. It also has no character or personifications to run to in a time of hope need or desperation. do u think there is a difference between the holy drama and the teachings that followed it? dravidism,buddaism,muslim,christianity etc. For i donot at this time.

Hotep menefer

interesting break down. I have been thinking,pondering mediating etc on this very premise for some time now. I started a thread a while back regarding the reality on non duality. Meaning there is no such thing as duality in my opinion , just different attributes of the same entity. This entities true state never changes only it's temporary state. liken to u or i whom have become injured the change in our flesh or inter system may appear to be disfigured however it will allways return to it's orginal state. we/us u/me will return to our orginal state no thing ness. a state of hotep/peace where differences do not exisit. Acceptance of this reality is difficult for most because it has no beginning nor end it just is. It also has no character or personifications to run to in a time of hope need or desperation. do u think there is a difference between the holy drama and the teachings that followed it? dravidism,buddaism,muslim,christianity etc. For i donot at this time.

ImHotep

I'm struggling to NOT make a video RE~ply and challenge myself to putting my thoughts on paper. In part, I sense my struggles have much to do with MY Spiritual purpose for BE~ing in this realm at this time. What I have learned and what has been RE~vealed to M.E. is first and foremost for M.E.

The two passages of your comments i highlighted speaks volumes for M.E. and validates that which I KNOW to BE TRUE FOR M.E.
I often wonder why WE are programmed to fear "death" and all the messages supporting it BE~ing "the end". While I AM not advocating "death/suicide", I AM suggesting that it is NOT THE END...of M.E. It is a TRANSITION that my Spirit will make at the appointed time.

Alright...now is when things start getting tricky for me to express cause my mind is wondering to the whole notion of DESTINY and what that really means in this context.

I'll step back and continue to learn more from you all.

Thanks for sharing
:hearts2:

ImHotep

I'm struggling to NOT make a video RE~ply and challenge myself to putting my thoughts on paper. In part, I sense my struggles have much to do with MY Spiritual purpose for BE~ing in this realm at this time. What I have learned and what has been RE~vealed to M.E. is first and foremost for M.E.

The two passages of your comments i highlighted speaks volumes for M.E. and validates that which I KNOW to BE TRUE FOR M.E.
I often wonder why WE are programmed to fear "death" and all the messages supporting it BE~ing "the end". While I AM not advocating "death/suicide", I AM suggesting that it is NOT THE END...of M.E. It is a TRANSITION that my Spirit will make at the appointed time.

Alright...now is when things start getting tricky for me to express cause my mind is wondering to the whole notion of DESTINY and what that really means in this context.

I'll step back and continue to learn more from you all.

Thanks for sharing
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Destiny to me implies an already planned out purpose according to a plan. The only plan at this time that is un avoidable is change. The seasons, periods,cycles are plans and destiny in my opinion. Anything outside of those plans are images thoughts concepts of the programmed process developed by living entities whom are a piece of the whole and not the whole. It is my destiny to experience touch taste her smell feel etc That is our grand gift I was told at an earlier age all experiences were good . It is also my destiny to return from which i came as all others before via a process of the electro. magnetic force attracting me back to it once i am done serving the divine purpose and am through with what is has desired me to do. I must return for re assignment.

Hotep true to the cause

Destiny to me implies an already planned out purpose according to a plan. The only plan at this time that is un avoidable is change. The seasons, periods,cycles are plans and destiny in my opinion. Anything outside of those plans are images thoughts concepts of the programmed process developed by living entities whom are a piece of the whole and not the whole. It is my destiny to experience touch taste her smell feel etc That is our grand gift I was told at an earlier age all experiences were good . It is also my destiny to return from which i came as all others before via a process of the electro. magnetic force attracting me back to it once i am done serving the divine purpose and am through with what is has desired me to do. I must return for re assignment.

Hotep true to the cause

Thank you Emanuel Goodman....

In the Yoruba traditions, it is believed that WE "choose" our "head" or assignments. How consistent is this within the Spiritual frame you are grounded in:?:

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Thank you Emanuel Goodman....

In the Yoruba traditions, it is believed that WE "choose" our "head" or assignments. How consistent is this within the Spiritual frame you are grounded in:?:

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My spiritfual frame has yet to be develped however at this time i look at every thing as possibities of a mathmatical nature. so this would be consistent with yoruba in that aspect.

the purpose of the metu neter is to reallign your self with mother neter. to be incontrol of your energy in motion and not let your energy in motion control u. We are currently loosing our divinity by the day and just becoming man because we are not using our hu. the story of osiris and set displays the evil or the negative that is in the hearts of every man. set out of pride and anger decided that he should be in control of upper and lower kemet. so he set out to trick osiris etc. hours defeat over set displays a humans ability to over come negative or harmful emotional responses by not giving in to them. set has a purpose and osiris and hours without these individuals the system could not be balanced. The metu neter is one way to remember whom u are as a man of kemetic decent. we are the gods in question the karast or the messiah spoken of in the holy bi bill(this is what we know not belive). the bible has u belive in this supreme essence. every one is a per son mr music. which means through sound you were created. we all come into the world on an even plane being born in water out of the primodal egg(the womb) like RA. we know us and the neteru are the same however your bible teaches u to look up to and fear the creator. I here no such things in our doctrines.There is much knowledge u must obtain and digest sir. however your emotional attachment to your god concept has you in fear of learning new things(to u) about our culture. i would be typing for hours tyring to teach u this concept. however if u continue to read nature or the neters will take care of things on thier own. your cannot hide from the truth .i know u like bibical quotes" in the begginng there was the AMEN (the hidden intelligence)the creation of god"
once again i am done. I leave u in peace


Giving a blast from the past a little kick.